[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

[kev...@coho.net]

Good evening,

   I took a break from painting today to walk around the property 
scouting for next year's firewood.  An area I had thinned under the 
alder had been visited recently.  From the residual scent I could tell 
there had been elk sleeping there within the last two or three days.  We 
have shared land use rights.


The sun has been active but only on the other side.  Our side of the sun 
has been blank.  Though the bands may be weaker the band noise is too; 
as long as you can avoid the lightning crashes and waves of QSB you can 
make contacts.  Weak contacts but they are possible.


Please join us tomorrow on:
   14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
7045 kHz at z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

73,
Kevin. KD5ONS

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Re: [Elecraft] Freq. offset?? -- K3

[Clay Autery]

I've found that my K3s takes about 35 minutes to become essentially
stable (TXCO)  P3 stabilizes a bit faster.  IMHO it is important to
CAL both pieces of equipment under the same conditions at the same time
or as close to it as you can...
Also important IMO to not have the HVAC cycling on and off while you are
doing the REF CALs...

73,

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On 7/29/2017 10:22 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> There is a REF CAL adjustment in the P3 menu to make the P3 agree with
> the K3/K3S. I have noticed that my P3 seems to drift a bit when it is
> first turned, so probably you should wait a while before adjusting it.
> The offset is only noticeable at smaller span settings.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> On 30 Jul 2017 06:17, EUGENE GABRY wrote:
>> You might also want to check the frequency calibration of the P3
>> (page 31 in the P3 manual). I happen to notice while checking the K3S
>> frequency against WWV and going through K3S calibration, the P3 was
>> off about 250hz (with 600hz sidetone).
>>
>> Gene
>> N9TF
>>
>>> On July 29, 2017 at 8:10 PM Gene O  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Just discovered when trying to copy a strong CW signal the frequency
>>> seems to offset.  I can see the signal on my P3 at say 7024.000 but I
>>> hear the station the strongest at 7025.000. This occurs with either my
>>> 1.0khz or 400hz filter.
>>>
>>> Is there some frequency offset that I may set in error?
>>>
>>> Thanks. Gene, W2BXR
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Re: [Elecraft] Freq. offset?? -- K3

[Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP]

There is a REF CAL adjustment in the P3 menu to make the P3 agree with 
the K3/K3S. I have noticed that my P3 seems to drift a bit when it is 
first turned, so probably you should wait a while before adjusting it. 
The offset is only noticeable at smaller span settings.


73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
On 30 Jul 2017 06:17, EUGENE GABRY wrote:

You might also want to check the frequency calibration of the P3 (page 31 in 
the P3 manual). I happen to notice while checking the K3S frequency against WWV 
and going through K3S calibration, the P3 was off about 250hz (with 600hz 
sidetone).

Gene
N9TF


On July 29, 2017 at 8:10 PM Gene O  wrote:


Just discovered when trying to copy a strong CW signal the frequency
seems to offset.  I can see the signal on my P3 at say 7024.000 but I
hear the station the strongest at 7025.000. This occurs with either my
1.0khz or 400hz filter.

Is there some frequency offset that I may set in error?

Thanks. Gene, W2BXR

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Re: [Elecraft] Freq. offset?? -- K3

[EUGENE GABRY]

You might also want to check the frequency calibration of the P3 (page 31 in 
the P3 manual). I happen to notice while checking the K3S frequency against WWV 
and going through K3S calibration, the P3 was off about 250hz (with 600hz 
sidetone). 

Gene
N9TF

> On July 29, 2017 at 8:10 PM Gene O  wrote:
> 
> 
> Just discovered when trying to copy a strong CW signal the frequency 
> seems to offset.  I can see the signal on my P3 at say 7024.000 but I 
> hear the station the strongest at 7025.000. This occurs with either my 
> 1.0khz or 400hz filter.
> 
> Is there some frequency offset that I may set in error?
> 
> Thanks. Gene, W2BXR
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Re: [Elecraft] Freq. offset?? -- K3

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

Also check the settings of your side tone frequency.  If it is different than 
you tune, there will be an error.  

Bob, K4TAX


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> On Jul 29, 2017, at 9:32 PM, Ian Kahn  wrote:
> 
> Check whether you may have accidentally set the RIT (Receive Incremental
> Tuning) or XIT (Xmit Incremental Tuning). That happens to me sometimes.
> 
> 73 de,
> 
> Ian, KM4IK
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2017 9:14 PM, "Gene O"  wrote:
>> 
>> Just discovered when trying to copy a strong CW signal the frequency seems
>> to offset.  I can see the signal on my P3 at say 7024.000 but I hear the
>> station the strongest at 7025.000. This occurs with either my 1.0khz or
>> 400hz filter.
>> 
>> Is there some frequency offset that I may set in error?
>> 
>> Thanks. Gene, W2BXR
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[Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[john]

The K3 has not been manufactured in years so of course some issues will
occur with older equipment. Elecraft offers excellent support for new and
older equipment. The look reminds you of your Kenwood equipment and
apparently you do not like your gear's appearance. Why do you own it?
Because I travel to the Caribbean with mine, I like the size. 

John KK9A


Thom ki8w wrote: 
Sat Jul 29 09:59:04 EDT 2017

All I can say to Elecraft is if I had the money to buy a K3 with all the 
options, given all the issues people have with them on this list, I 
probably would not even consider buying one.

I was not really all that impressed with the look of it when I saw it at 
Dayton this year.  It reminded me of the Kenwood gear, I currently own.

73

Thom KI8W

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Re: [Elecraft] Freq. offset?? -- K3

[Ian Kahn]

Check whether you may have accidentally set the RIT (Receive Incremental
Tuning) or XIT (Xmit Incremental Tuning). That happens to me sometimes.

73 de,

Ian, KM4IK

On Jul 29, 2017 9:14 PM, "Gene O"  wrote:

> Just discovered when trying to copy a strong CW signal the frequency seems
> to offset.  I can see the signal on my P3 at say 7024.000 but I hear the
> station the strongest at 7025.000. This occurs with either my 1.0khz or
> 400hz filter.
>
> Is there some frequency offset that I may set in error?
>
> Thanks. Gene, W2BXR
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Bill Frantz]

Since Elecraft got its start in the kit world, many of the early 
customers were kit builders. As the reputation of the radios has 
grown, more hams that just want a top of the line radio that 
works have become customers. These people are much more likely 
to buy factory built, and not trust a used radio that was not 
factory built or recently aligned by the factory.


I'm glad I got a minimum K3 kit and had the opportunity to add 
features over the years. I have learned a lot about the radio's 
construction and use via this route.


When I ordered my K3, the big dilemma was K2 or K3. K2 pluses: 
real kit. Cheaper. K3 pluses: Better radio. When my XYL, after a 
1/2 hour user interface conversation at an Elecraft booth, said 
to get the K3, i ordered the K3. I still dream of building a K2, 
and the 20th anniversary would be a nice excuse. However, with a 
K3, KX3, and my wife's KX2, I don't know that I would actually 
use it.


I hope that Elecraft will continue to encourage kit building, as 
it is the gateway toward electronic experimentation for many 
people. Offering package discounts on kits would be nice.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/29/17 at 1:17 PM, donw...@embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote:


I get the feeling that Elecraft is selling more factory assembled units than 
kits.



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Re: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?

[Robie Elms]

Ed,

I am like you and don't think this year is unusual.  I believe that the 
interest in FT8 & JT65 has a lot more hams on the air and we are seeing a 
better picture of propagation.  I also think the modern rigs are better & that 
are easier to get on 6 meters is a factor!

Robie - AJ4F

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 20:09, KD7PY  wrote:
> 
> I have been on 6 meters since '63 and have seen a lot of up and down of band
> conditions in different years, but  don't believe this year is anything
> special.  the really good years is when the sun spot cycle really gets hot, 
> world wide openings,  this year for us up in the pacific northwest the band
> openings are below what we have in the past.
> What has everyone fired up is WSJT-X   FT8  everyone seems to be trying it
> out on 6 meters,  it will decode sigs way below the threshold of the human
> ear.
> this year I was able to put in the log BA4SI  ( china )  using FT8..  just a
> 5 el beam and the KPA500,  some of the local big guns have been putting
> europe in the log.
> I have  worked a  few HF'ers that put up a dipole for 6 just to try out the
> band.
> 
> FWIF  Ed   KD7py
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] Freq. offset?? -- K3

[Gene O]

Just discovered when trying to copy a strong CW signal the frequency 
seems to offset.  I can see the signal on my P3 at say 7024.000 but I 
hear the station the strongest at 7025.000. This occurs with either my 
1.0khz or 400hz filter.


Is there some frequency offset that I may set in error?

Thanks. Gene, W2BXR
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Re: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?

[KD7PY]

I have been on 6 meters since '63 and have seen a lot of up and down of band
conditions in different years, but  don't believe this year is anything
special.  the really good years is when the sun spot cycle really gets hot, 
world wide openings,  this year for us up in the pacific northwest the band
openings are below what we have in the past.
What has everyone fired up is WSJT-X   FT8  everyone seems to be trying it
out on 6 meters,  it will decode sigs way below the threshold of the human
ear.
this year I was able to put in the log BA4SI  ( china )  using FT8..  just a
5 el beam and the KPA500,  some of the local big guns have been putting
europe in the log.
I have  worked a  few HF'ers that put up a dipole for 6 just to try out the
band.

FWIF  Ed   KD7py






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[Elecraft] Elecraft experience

[Joe Ford via Elecraft]

I've been hamming since 1962 so I do have some experience in the hobby.
I built and operated an Elecraft K1 in 2001, a K2 in 2004 and a k3 in 2007. I 
have not had any problems with any of them. The K1 doesn't get used much any 
more but the K2 I use occasionally because it is a really fun radio to operate. 
The K3 I use all the time and personally I don't think there is a better radio 
on the market. Just to be sure, a few years ago I bought and used for several 
months another brand radio. Sure it was a good radio, but I went back to to my 
K3. And should I need help, Wayne or Eric or one of their folks are just a 
phone call away.
73, Joe K4NVJ



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Re: [Elecraft] Maintaining Sanity with Gmail Filters

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

What’s BS to you may be interesting stuff for others, and vice versa.  And 
quite frequently, the subject line alone doesn’t tell you whether the contents 
is on one’s personal “preferred reading list”.  I’ve always found the Delete 
key combined with the ability to read to be the most useful and simplest filter.

> You can filter on many other search criteria such as sender. That comes in
> very handy.
> 
> It almost always works. Sometimes the subject changes a little and usually
> the digests where the subject is not changed make it through. I haven't
> found a better way but I'm open to suggestions. Unsubscribing means I lose
> out on some very relevant and otherwise interesting topics. Maybe another
> Elecraft list called Elecraft-BS or something?


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 159, Issue 26

[Dick]

And at age 78+, I hope to own a K3s one day. I love what this team has done, 
their engineering is second to none, and customer service as I read is 
superb. I read the forum every day, hoping one day a little break will come 
my way and I will own this great transceiver.
  When Heathkit was alive and well, I built many of their kits, including 
their first Digital Color TV. Maybe one day before I go SK, I will get to 
build my K3s


73,  W1REJ   / Dick

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: K3S Package Discounts (WILLIE BABER)
  2. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Clay Autery)
  3. Re: OT K3S Package Discounts (Clay Autery)
  4. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Neil Zampella)
  5. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Don Wilhelm)
  6. Re: Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN (Don Wilhelm)
  7. Re: Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN (Colin)
  8. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Walter Underwood)
  9. Re: Do not sign /QRP (W7BRS Jeff Wandling)
 10. Unsubscribe (Bill Parris)
 11. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
 12. Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual? (Wayne Burdick)
 13. Re: Do not sign /QRP (WP4CW)
 14.  K3S Package Discounts (John AE5X)
 15. Re: K3S Package Discounts (EUGENE GABRY)
 16. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Clay Autery)
 17. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Wayne Burdick)
 18. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Nicklas Johnson)
 19. Re: Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual? (Fred Jensen)
 20. Re: Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual? (Jim Brown)
 21. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
 22. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Fred Jensen)
 23. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Don Wilhelm)
 24. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Barry Baines)
 25. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Raymond Sills)


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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 15:17:29 + (UTC)
From: WILLIE BABER 
To: , Bill W4ZV 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID: <1611537811.2391832.1501341449...@mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one, and so sales may not be 
as robust as a result. The many improvements over time have created a mature 
radio--and all essential improvements can be made to an early K3 (same with 
the K2).  I appreciate Elecraft for this approach to building radios. 
However, this does mean that many of us are using aging K3s that work just 
as well as the new K3s.  I have two K3 radios (so2r), one is about nine 
years older than the other one but they are both essentially the same.


It does seem that the prices associated with adding more options to the 
basic radio is different from the original sales philosophy of Elecraft: a 
top performing radio at a price that is lower because you buy only what you 
need and you can save even more by assembling it yourself.


This still applies but not as well as it did with the original K3, first 
produced some years ago however!


I never thought of Elecraft as an inexpensive radio (it looked inexpensive 
if you purchased the basic kit and nothing else); rather, I could see the 
savings in purchasing only what I wanted but still had the performance and 
I/O for the future.


Finally, maintaining the K3 is far less expensive (compared to other radios) 
because many of us can do minor repair ourselves, with instructions provided 
by Elecraft technicians.


73, Will, wj9b



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On Sat, 7/29/17, Bill W4ZV  wrote:

Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Saturday, July 29, 2017, 5:50 AM

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg

I still question the wisdom of
bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
capabilities, etc into the K3S.? This went
against Elecraft's original
philosophy
of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we
really
wanted.? This resulted in inflating
the base price which put it out of reach
for
many folks and further away from competing products
(IC-7300, Kenwood
590 and Flex 6300).? That
must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.

A viable option is to buy a
recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
configure it as you want.? Basic K3 prices are
in the $1500 making this a
viable

Re: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

E-Skip has been observed as high as 220 MHz.
It certainly is prevalent on 144 Mhz, obviously not as much as on 6 & 10 M but 
it DOES happen.
Multiple hop Es can get you quite a ways on 6M, especially if it is combined 
with some Tropo ducting.
During really good  F-2 openings, it seems that the higher the MUF, the less 
power it takes to actually make a contact.
I remember working a guy in Nome Alaska on 6 meters.  He was running 8 watts to 
a halo on his 2nd floor apartment balcony and was 20 over 9 here in nawthrun 
Vuhginya.

73, Charlie k3ICH




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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?

Es happens every summer.  It commonly is most prevalent on 6, however 10 is 
often involved.  I've experienced it on 20and 15 on rare occasions.  
It sure does seem to be more pronounced this year though.  For some reason, it 
seems to abhor the western part of North America.  I suspect part of that may 
be because there are precious few hams out in the Basin and Range to use it... 
you know, "tree falls in the forest, no one is there ..."

There's an RF-quiet QTH in the Bay Area? [:-)

73,


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Re: [Elecraft] Maintaining Sanity with Gmail Filters

[Roger Meadows]

If there was a like button, I'd press it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Kevin der Kinderen  wrote:
> 
> For those with Gmail, the only way I have found to reduce the amount of
> reflector emails that don't interest me is to set up a filter.
> 
> The way I do this is to first do a search on the subject I'm no longer
> interested in: "K3S Package Discounts" for example. Then, beside the search
> field there's a little arrow you can click. The little popup has a "Create
> filter with this search" link at the bottom. Click this. The next popup
> lets you decide what to do with current and future emails that meet the
> criteria. I select mark as read and delete it. I wish it could do more with
> the emails but that's another matter. There's a Learn More link if you get
> stuck.
> 
> You can filter on many other search criteria such as sender. That comes in
> very handy.
> 
> It almost always works. Sometimes the subject changes a little and usually
> the digests where the subject is not changed make it through. I haven't
> found a better way but I'm open to suggestions. Unsubscribing means I lose
> out on some very relevant and otherwise interesting topics. Maybe another
> Elecraft list called Elecraft-BS or something?
> 
> Hope some find this helpful. It does reduce the inane conversations that
> drag on for hours and days. You may be able to test it with the subject of
> this post. It is a perfect example.
> 
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
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[Elecraft] Maintaining Sanity with Gmail Filters

[Kevin der Kinderen]

For those with Gmail, the only way I have found to reduce the amount of
reflector emails that don't interest me is to set up a filter.

The way I do this is to first do a search on the subject I'm no longer
interested in: "K3S Package Discounts" for example. Then, beside the search
field there's a little arrow you can click. The little popup has a "Create
filter with this search" link at the bottom. Click this. The next popup
lets you decide what to do with current and future emails that meet the
criteria. I select mark as read and delete it. I wish it could do more with
the emails but that's another matter. There's a Learn More link if you get
stuck.

You can filter on many other search criteria such as sender. That comes in
very handy.

It almost always works. Sometimes the subject changes a little and usually
the digests where the subject is not changed make it through. I haven't
found a better way but I'm open to suggestions. Unsubscribing means I lose
out on some very relevant and otherwise interesting topics. Maybe another
Elecraft list called Elecraft-BS or something?

Hope some find this helpful. It does reduce the inane conversations that
drag on for hours and days. You may be able to test it with the subject of
this post. It is a perfect example.

73,
Kev K4VD
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Raymond Sills]

And, that can be an important feature for those on a tight budget...  start 
with the base rig, and then add features/options as finances permit.  Better 
than waiting who knows how long to save up to buy the fully tricked-out version.


73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211





-Original Message-
From: Clay Autery 
To: elecraft 
Sent: Sat, Jul 29, 2017 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

Just because they OFFER bundles doesn't mean you can't order a base unit
and a la carte. 

After all...  they ain't blowing out IC-7300s here.  

73,

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On 7/29/2017 6:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
>
> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we really
> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of reach
> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.
>
> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
> viable alternative IMHO.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Barry Baines]

Don:

Your points are spot on.  I can recall back in 2014 when I first started to 
think seriously about acquiring a K3, it took a significant amount of time to 
try to figure what options were “important” vs. “desirable” and understanding 
how options interfaced with each other.  It wasn’t until I was at the 
Huntsville Hamfest in August of that year and could ask questions of the 
Elecraft Team that I was able to determine what to order. Eric subsequently 
took my order (K3 w/selected options, KPA500, KAT500 and K3/0-Mini) at the 
hamfest and it wasn’t long after that I had my ‘goodies’ in hand.  I 
subsequently had my remote station in SE Georgia up and running and have been 
happy with the setup ever since.

What’s interesting about Elecraft’s approach is that this isn’t much different 
from ordering other ‘high end’ products from manufacturers that offer 
variations to their product line.  Apple offers their computers with variations 
in CPU, storage capacity, memory capacity, graphics capacity, screen size, etc. 
 based upon ‘common’ consumer interest and price points.  Dell and others do 
the same thing.  Automobile Manufacturers offer vehicles starting a basic 
model, then variations based what ‘packages’ are offered as bundles.  Example:  
Ford offers the base model, then “XLT, then “Limited” then “Sport.”  Of course, 
there are numerous color combinations (exterior and interior) not to mention 
different interior materials (leather, vinyl, etc.).  

My point is as consumers, we’re familiar with the idea of ’tailoring’ products 
based upon common packages that ‘consumers’ (or “amateurs” in this case) would 
typically order.  That doesn’t prevent us from ’special order’  tailored to our 
specific needs when purchasing automobiles, computers, or now Elecraft gear.  
In this case, Elecraft offers both ‘packages’ to provide some insight into what 
’typical’ purchasers based upon areas of interest (contesting, DX, casual 
operating) are typically looking for to give potential purchasers an idea of 
configurations (and price) that meet their preferences while also fulfilling 
special orders as the purchaser wants to see in their equipment. (not to 
mention both factory and kit form).  

Congratulations to Elecraft for providing another product differentiation that 
focuses on the needs of the purchaser.  Along with this approach, I’m also 
impressed by their ‘upgrade’ pathways for K3 owners wishing to incorporate K3s 
features which addresses not only enhancing performance but also simplifies the 
upgrade process while verifying that what leaves the factory is up to spec.  
This flexibility is somewhat unique to Elecraft within the amateur radio 
marketplace and reflects well their focus on meeting the needs of the customer 
which in turn reinforces brand loyalty.  We all appreciate the company that 
stands behind their product.

FWIW,

Barry  Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Columbia, SC)


> On Jul 29, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> On the contrary, I think the decision to offer "standard configuration 
> packages" is a result of customer questions resulting from confusion about 
> "what options do I need" and much time devoted to pre-sale communication with 
> prospective customers.
> 
> Other manufacturers offer an "all or nothing" package that is their current 
> model/configuration.
> 
> I have witnessed the confusion of many prospective buyers at the Elecraft 
> booth at many hamfests - there is a lot of confusion about which options they 
> should include.  We endeavor to provide assistance to customize the option 
> mix to the wants and needs of the customer.
> 
> These "standard" packages is a way to allow customers to purchase a K3S for 
> the type of operating that they will be doing while minimizing that pre-sale 
> activity.
> 
> One can still order additional options even with the pre-defined packages 
> (and I assume also delete some options).  But for the customer who is not 
> familiar with what each Elecraft option will do for their operating 
> experience, I believe it is a step in the right direction.
> 
> If Elecraft were to follow other manufacturer's footsteps, there would be a 
> K3S-I, K3S-II and K3S-III designation for each of those bundles, but note 
> that Elecraft has chosen not to do that.  You do not have to sell your K3S-I 
> to get a K3S-III, just add the options needed to upgrade it.
> 
> That "upgradability" has always been unique at Elecraft.  Any K2 can be 
> upgraded to the electrical equal of a new one, the same goes for the K3 with 
> the addition of the modules included in the K3S (with only a few minor 
> exceptions).
> 
> This is part of the Elecraft customer support philosophy.  Note that the K2 
> is a 1998 design and is still going strong, and still fully supported.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/29/2017 11:17 AM, WILLIE BABER wrote:
>> I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one, and so sales may not be 
>> as 

Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Don Wilhelm]

Nick,

Notice the "-F" on the K3S/100 for all 3 bundles.  That says Factory built.

Whether similar discounts will be offered for a kit version of the same 
package remains to be seen.


I get the feeling that Elecraft is selling more factory assembled units 
than kits.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/29/2017 3:39 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:


Are the bundles fully assembled units, or is it possible to get a bundle in
kit form? I really enjoyed the assembly of my KX3, and I really like the
idea of bundling common options too.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Fred Jensen]

I guess it is a change from the traditionalElecraft "roll your own from 
a long list of options" approach, and your point is is valid, at least 
partially.  HoweverI suspect strongly that there are 
manufacturing/assembly/logistics/support benefits and savings to the 
company by offering several"canned" configurations.


Questions about "Which optionshould I get" often appear on this list, 
and I've watched the E-folks at Hamfests spend a lot of time helping a 
new customer figure out what they want/need. The "roll your own" option 
is still available for those who prefer it, which is not true for other 
manufacturers, at least to the same degree as from Elecraft.


My K3 is old [S/N 642] and it now has what I want and use [except for 
the DVK which I wanted, bought, but have rarely used].When the K3s 
showed up, I told myselfthat the first good reason I could come up with 
to sell it and get a K3s, I'd do it.  Still running #642.


73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 7/29/2017 4:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg

I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we really
wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of reach
for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.

A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
viable alternative IMHO.

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

If you want to rate how good (or how bad) a product is, you have to have 
a random sampling of owners and equipment.


If the sample is self-selected, your sample consists mostly of those 
having trouble, some who just like to help, and a few who don't own the 
product.


Most Elecraft customers are happily operating, and have no gripes for 
the list.


Nobody notices when things go right.

What you can learn from a list like this one is how the company handles 
problems.


Unlike Kenwood, both of the owners and most of the engineers (probably 
all) are on here, available to customers.


73 -- Lynn

On 7/29/2017 6:59 AM, Thom wrote:
All I can say to Elecraft is if I had the money to buy a K3 with all the 
options, given all the issues people have with them on this list, I 
probably would not even consider buying one.

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Re: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?

[Jim Brown]

Hi Wayne,

There are many Elecrafters on 6M. Great antennas and high power are 
better than QRP into a wet string, but from Chicago, I worked a guy on 
Long Island loading a random wire in his basement, and from NorCal, I've 
worked KH6 and the east coast with 100W into an 80M dipole. :)


The hot ticket on 6M right now is FT8, a new mode that's part of K1JT's 
excellent suite of modes combined into WSJT-X.  I made about 8 QSOs this 
morning into SC, LA, TX, GA, AZ, NM, and OK. I'm running a KPA500 into a 
SteppIR at 120 ft.


These QSOs were all E-skip, and those beyond about 1200 miles were 
double-hop. E-skip is called "sporadic E" for a very good reason -- it's 
quite sporadic -- and for double-hop Qs to work there must be a 
reflecting cloud at two sequential points. FT8 has a s/n advantage of 
about 10 dB over really skilled CW ops on both ends. JT65 provides an 
additional 10-12 dB of noise immunity but takes four times longer.


Es conditions peak around the summer solstice, and most openings are 
within 6-8 weeks of that date. There's also a smaller peak at the winter 
solstice.


Serious 6M ops also work meteor scatter, tropo, and even EME. WSJT-X 
includes modes optimized for each mode of propagation.


Before the advent of FT8 (about 6 weeks ago), I found CW and JT65 most 
productive. This summer, I've made fewer than a half dozen CW Qs. In a 
very exciting opening about a month ago, I worked two JAs on JT65 in 
about ten minutes. Both called me when I was CQing to the east!  As I 
responded, I swung the antenna their way and worked them. :)


73, Jim K9YC


On 7/29/2017 11:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

I’m pretty new to 6 meters. I was expecting very limited activity. But now that 
I have an alert set up on dxmaps.com, I’m finding there are multiple openings 
every day. There’s an opening right now that includes the west coast.

Is the propagation better than usual for July?

Unfortunately my antennas for 6 aren’t all that great, and the local noise 
level is high, so I’ve been making use of every tool in the K3S toolbox (IF NB, 
DSP NB, NR, AFX, narrow filters, diversity, and CW-in-SSB). I’m considering 
taking the rig mobile to an RF-quiet location in the Bay Area next time there’s 
an opening. I have my eye out for a portable 6-meter beam.

Now know what they mean by “magic band." Give it a whirl

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?

[Fred Jensen]

Es happens every summer.  It commonly is most prevalent on 6, however 10 
is often involved.  I've experienced it on 20and 15 on rare occasions.  
It sure does seem to be more pronounced this year though.  For some 
reason, it seems to abhor the western part of North America.  I suspect 
part of that may be because there are precious few hams out in the Basin 
and Range to use it... you know, "tree falls in the forest, no one is 
there ..."


There's an RF-quiet QTH in the Bay Area? [:-)

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 7/29/2017 11:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

I’m pretty new to 6 meters. I was expecting very limited activity. But now that 
I have an alert set up on dxmaps.com, I’m finding there are multiple openings 
every day. There’s an opening right now that includes the west coast.

Is the propagation better than usual for July?

Unfortunately my antennas for 6 aren’t all that great, and the local noise 
level is high, so I’ve been making use of every tool in the K3S toolbox (IF NB, 
DSP NB, NR, AFX, narrow filters, diversity, and CW-in-SSB). I’m considering 
taking the rig mobile to an RF-quiet location in the Bay Area next time there’s 
an opening. I have my eye out for a portable 6-meter beam.

Now know what they mean by “magic band." Give it a whirl



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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Nicklas Johnson]

I have a question on this because it wasn't immediately obvious to me when
I looked at the web site the other day.

Are the bundles fully assembled units, or is it possible to get a bundle in
kit form? I really enjoyed the assembly of my KX3, and I really like the
idea of bundling common options too.

Sorry if that's a dumb question and I just missed something that was
staring me in the face.

   Nick

On Jul 29, 2017 12:31 PM, "Wayne Burdick"  wrote:

> Correct. The packages are just a convenience based on past ordering
> history.
>
> (FYI, we have a detailed features/performance comparison chart of the K3S
> vs. IC7300. Email me directly if interested.)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Clay Autery  wrote:
> >
> > Just because they OFFER bundles doesn't mean you can't order a base unit
> > and a la carte.
> >
> > After all...  they ain't blowing out IC-7300s here.  
> >
> > 73,
> >
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> > Clay Autery, KY5G
> >
> > On 7/29/2017 6:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> >> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
> >>
> >> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
> >> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
> >> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we
> really
> >> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of
> reach
> >> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300,
> Kenwood
> >> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in
> discounting.
> >>
> >> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
> >> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this
> a
> >> viable alternative IMHO.
> >>
> >> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Wayne Burdick]

Correct. The packages are just a convenience based on past ordering history. 

(FYI, we have a detailed features/performance comparison chart of the K3S vs. 
IC7300. Email me directly if interested.)

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On Jul 29, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Clay Autery  wrote:
> 
> Just because they OFFER bundles doesn't mean you can't order a base unit
> and a la carte. 
> 
> After all...  they ain't blowing out IC-7300s here.  
> 
> 73,
> 
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> 
> On 7/29/2017 6:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
>> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
>> 
>> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
>> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
>> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we really
>> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of reach
>> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
>> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.
>> 
>> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
>> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
>> viable alternative IMHO.
>> 
>> 73,  Bill  W4ZV




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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Clay Autery]

Just because they OFFER bundles doesn't mean you can't order a base unit
and a la carte. 

After all...  they ain't blowing out IC-7300s here.  

73,

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On 7/29/2017 6:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
>
> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we really
> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of reach
> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.
>
> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
> viable alternative IMHO.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[EUGENE GABRY]

Well stated Don,  This was one of the deciding factors for me when I pulled the 
trigger on Elecraft two years ago. I saw the value in  being able to add 
options along the way as/if, my operating style or conditions changed. Firmware 
upgrades and support were the other reason. I wanted a rig "I" could grow into 
over time before time ran out on the current technology "of the day". 

73 Gene
N9TF

 
> On July 29, 2017 at 11:12 AM Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 

> 
> That "upgradability" has always been unique at Elecraft.  Any K2 can be 
> upgraded to the electrical equal of a new one, the same goes for the K3 
> with the addition of the modules included in the K3S (with only a few 
> minor exceptions).
> 
> This is part of the Elecraft customer support philosophy.  Note that the 
> K2 is a 1998 design and is still going strong, and still fully supported.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
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[Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[John AE5X]

Is this where we segue into the quarterly thread about the upcoming K4 and KX4? 
 :-)

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Re: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP

[WP4CW via Elecraft]

I've been at ham since 1972. I've been on qrp since the beginning. My first 
transmitter was 100 mw. My added amplifier was 200 mw.  The OX2 and PAX by ICM. 
Not official but by adding /QRP I was hoping the other party would try to work 
me. I never looked at it as legal. 
K1, KX2, K3, & K3s. Ted

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> On Jul 29, 2017, at 10:11 AM, W7BRS Jeff Wandling  wrote:
> 
> I always thought it was during the rag chew one would mention the rig.
> Then the other station could say "wow all that signal is QRP?". I guess
> I've been doing it wrong. Hi hi.
> 
> 
>> On Friday, July 28, 2017, Keith Hutt  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> So are you saying that a operator who uses a KX2, KX3  is more experienced
>> and
>> is a more valid contact than say someone using a FT817?.
>> 
>> Because that is just pure arrogance, saying that Elecraft operators are
>> the only experienced
>> operators in the world.
>> 
>> Oh and yes i use Elecraft KX2, KX3, K3 on a daily basis, and while i think
>> they are the finest radios on the market
>> and value for money, there are many people out there who are superb
>> operators who do not have the financial means
>> to use Elecraft.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Keith G0TSH
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Dan Baker
>> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:11 AM
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP
>> 
>> Yep thats right do not sign /QRP. Sign /KX2 or /KX3. This way an
>> experienced operator will know immediately that you are no fool and that
>> this is a Q worth pursuing.
>> 
>> 73, Dan KM6CQ
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[Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?

[Wayne Burdick]

I’m pretty new to 6 meters. I was expecting very limited activity. But now that 
I have an alert set up on dxmaps.com, I’m finding there are multiple openings 
every day. There’s an opening right now that includes the west coast.

Is the propagation better than usual for July?

Unfortunately my antennas for 6 aren’t all that great, and the local noise 
level is high, so I’ve been making use of every tool in the K3S toolbox (IF NB, 
DSP NB, NR, AFX, narrow filters, diversity, and CW-in-SSB). I’m considering 
taking the rig mobile to an RF-quiet location in the Bay Area next time there’s 
an opening. I have my eye out for a portable 6-meter beam.

Now know what they mean by “magic band." Give it a whirl

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

I purchased my K3S, my first Elecraft product, based on three factors:  
Performance, specified configuration as I wanted, and product support.


73

Bob, K4TAX

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On 7/29/2017 11:55 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:

I agree.

People might expect a simple answer to “How much does a K3S cost?”, but they 
get “It depends” then spend hours trying on the website and this list adding up 
lists of options. This is that simple answer. I have no doubt that it will 
increase sales, because it decreases the friction of pricing out a K3S.

It would be handy to have the same thing for a fully-loaded KX3, just to avoid 
all the sums.

wunder
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Re: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP

[W7BRS Jeff Wandling]

I always thought it was during the rag chew one would mention the rig.
Then the other station could say "wow all that signal is QRP?". I guess
I've been doing it wrong. Hi hi.


On Friday, July 28, 2017, Keith Hutt  wrote:

>
> So are you saying that a operator who uses a KX2, KX3  is more experienced
> and
> is a more valid contact than say someone using a FT817?.
>
> Because that is just pure arrogance, saying that Elecraft operators are
> the only experienced
> operators in the world.
>
> Oh and yes i use Elecraft KX2, KX3, K3 on a daily basis, and while i think
> they are the finest radios on the market
> and value for money, there are many people out there who are superb
> operators who do not have the financial means
> to use Elecraft.
>
> Regards
>
> Keith G0TSH
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Dan Baker
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:11 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP
>
> Yep thats right do not sign /QRP. Sign /KX2 or /KX3. This way an
> experienced operator will know immediately that you are no fool and that
> this is a Q worth pursuing.
>
> 73, Dan KM6CQ
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Walter Underwood]

I agree.

People might expect a simple answer to “How much does a K3S cost?”, but they 
get “It depends” then spend hours trying on the website and this list adding up 
lists of options. This is that simple answer. I have no doubt that it will 
increase sales, because it decreases the friction of pricing out a K3S.

It would be handy to have the same thing for a fully-loaded KX3, just to avoid 
all the sums.

wunder
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> On Jul 29, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> On the contrary, I think the decision to offer "standard configuration 
> packages" is a result of customer questions resulting from confusion about 
> "what options do I need" and much time devoted to pre-sale communication with 
> prospective customers.
> 
> Other manufacturers offer an "all or nothing" package that is their current 
> model/configuration.
> 
> I have witnessed the confusion of many prospective buyers at the Elecraft 
> booth at many hamfests - there is a lot of confusion about which options they 
> should include.  We endeavor to provide assistance to customize the option 
> mix to the wants and needs of the customer.
> 
> These "standard" packages is a way to allow customers to purchase a K3S for 
> the type of operating that they will be doing while minimizing that pre-sale 
> activity.
> 
> One can still order additional options even with the pre-defined packages 
> (and I assume also delete some options).  But for the customer who is not 
> familiar with what each Elecraft option will do for their operating 
> experience, I believe it is a step in the right direction.
> 
> If Elecraft were to follow other manufacturer's footsteps, there would be a 
> K3S-I, K3S-II and K3S-III designation for each of those bundles, but note 
> that Elecraft has chosen not to do that.  You do not have to sell your K3S-I 
> to get a K3S-III, just add the options needed to upgrade it.
> 
> That "upgradability" has always been unique at Elecraft.  Any K2 can be 
> upgraded to the electrical equal of a new one, the same goes for the K3 with 
> the addition of the modules included in the K3S (with only a few minor 
> exceptions).
> 
> This is part of the Elecraft customer support philosophy.  Note that the K2 
> is a 1998 design and is still going strong, and still fully supported.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/29/2017 11:17 AM, WILLIE BABER wrote:
>> I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one, and so sales may not be 
>> as robust as a result. The many improvements over time have created a mature 
>> radio--and all essential improvements can be made to an early K3 (same with 
>> the K2).  I appreciate Elecraft for this approach to building radios.  
>> However, this does mean that many of us are using aging K3s that work just 
>> as well as the new K3s.  I have two K3 radios (so2r), one is about nine 
>> years older than the other one but they are both essentially the same.
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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN

[Colin]

Don,

Looks like I'll have to do that as it is happening on TUNE.   I was 
trying to elimate all the obvious problems first.


73

Colin, G3PSM

On 29/07/2017 17:22, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Colin,

Does the K3 shut down operating into a dummy load when TUNE is 
selected?  If so, then there is a problem with your K3 - contact support.


If it operates fine into a dummy load in TUNE, then suspect a PA 
temperature problem.


It may be that you have a bad PA, but again the folks at K3support can 
help you with some checks to determine the real source.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/29/2017 9:40 AM, Colin wrote:

Mike,

Ignoring the mode in use, into a dummy load the K3 is shutting down 
at power in excess of 40W on tune.


I'm using a 40A PSU and a new factory made power lead.  I am 
beginning to suspect the PA.





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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN

[Don Wilhelm]

Colin,

Does the K3 shut down operating into a dummy load when TUNE is selected? 
 If so, then there is a problem with your K3 - contact support.


If it operates fine into a dummy load in TUNE, then suspect a PA 
temperature problem.


It may be that you have a bad PA, but again the folks at K3support can 
help you with some checks to determine the real source.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/29/2017 9:40 AM, Colin wrote:

Mike,

Ignoring the mode in use, into a dummy load the K3 is shutting down at 
power in excess of 40W on tune.


I'm using a 40A PSU and a new factory made power lead.  I am beginning 
to suspect the PA.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Don Wilhelm]

On the contrary, I think the decision to offer "standard configuration 
packages" is a result of customer questions resulting from confusion 
about "what options do I need" and much time devoted to pre-sale 
communication with prospective customers.


Other manufacturers offer an "all or nothing" package that is their 
current model/configuration.


I have witnessed the confusion of many prospective buyers at the 
Elecraft booth at many hamfests - there is a lot of confusion about 
which options they should include.  We endeavor to provide assistance to 
customize the option mix to the wants and needs of the customer.


These "standard" packages is a way to allow customers to purchase a K3S 
for the type of operating that they will be doing while minimizing that 
pre-sale activity.


One can still order additional options even with the pre-defined 
packages (and I assume also delete some options).  But for the customer 
who is not familiar with what each Elecraft option will do for their 
operating experience, I believe it is a step in the right direction.


If Elecraft were to follow other manufacturer's footsteps, there would 
be a K3S-I, K3S-II and K3S-III designation for each of those bundles, 
but note that Elecraft has chosen not to do that.  You do not have to 
sell your K3S-I to get a K3S-III, just add the options needed to upgrade 
it.


That "upgradability" has always been unique at Elecraft.  Any K2 can be 
upgraded to the electrical equal of a new one, the same goes for the K3 
with the addition of the modules included in the K3S (with only a few 
minor exceptions).


This is part of the Elecraft customer support philosophy.  Note that the 
K2 is a 1998 design and is still going strong, and still fully supported.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/29/2017 11:17 AM, WILLIE BABER wrote:

I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one, and so sales may not be as 
robust as a result. The many improvements over time have created a mature 
radio--and all essential improvements can be made to an early K3 (same with the 
K2).  I appreciate Elecraft for this approach to building radios.  However, 
this does mean that many of us are using aging K3s that work just as well as 
the new K3s.  I have two K3 radios (so2r), one is about nine years older than 
the other one but they are both essentially the same.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Neil Zampella]

We used to call it a 'Short between the headsets!'  :)

Neil, KN3ILZ


On 7/29/2017 11:07 AM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote:


Exactly!!

I'll bet it's more like 95% PEBCAR (Problem Exists Between Chair and 
Radio), Along with the "We Don't Need No Stinking Manuals" attitude 
exhibited by some "real" radio people. We also have the design 
engineers who like to come on and say how they would have done it 
differently or their design is better. OK smart guy...where's YOUR 
Radio company building and selling your self designed wonder of the ages?


It's really funny and a nice comical relief respit from the real world.



On 7/29/2017 9:43 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
Not to point any fingers at ANYONE, but most of the "problems" that 
show up
here are in fact, miss-interpretations, or.NOT reading the manual 
in the

first place.
And I'm as guilty of this as anyone. Hey, I know how to operate a bloody
radio right?   However, I try not to cry wolf until I have completely 
proven

myself as not the culprit, which means I seldom do post a problem!

Another area that can easily be interpreted as a "problem" when 
scanning the

forum is actually with after-market software and/or interfacing with
peripheral equipment.
If you count the real production/equipment failures vs. "others", 
I'll bet

they're quite low and typical of any quality manufacturer.

73, Charlie k3ICH








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Re: [Elecraft] OT K3S Package Discounts

[Clay Autery]

Yep... I've never has a SINGLE issue that wasn't caused by incorrect
"operator head-space and timing".  Not one.

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On 7/29/2017 9:43 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> As one that is involved in other like type reflectors {owner and / or
> moderator}, they are a great source of information, for problem
> solving and learning, specially for those new to ham radio or new to a
> particular radio.  If one would just read the manual that would help
> for 75% of the time.  RTFM  {Read The Full Manual}So in that
> light, most things one reads on the reflectors will appear to be
> issues.   I'd always heard "the bit dog yelps the loudest." What's not
> generally seen are the "good ones" being those that are having great
> success with their radio.
>
> Look at product reviews on a place such as Amazon.   Same thing. A few
> good ones, which are from satisfied customers.  It would be
> interesting to see the percentage of units sold vs. satisfied customer
> posting.   At the same time, the percentage sold compared against the
> unsatisfied customers posting.   The point being, we are quick to
> write and post a complaint, but rarely do we take time to share good
> results.
>
> For me, the K3S is on top of the performance and feature list. Issues
> and problems on my part at at absolute 0.   And I have other radios,
> both USA made and JA made.  The K3S tops all of them in quality and
> performance.   Zero complaints and Zero problems here   {other than
> those where I screw up.}
>
> Most are quick to fault a product and point fingers.   I say, "when
> one points a finger, look down, there's likely 3 pointing back at the
> true source of the problem".   Someone said they didn't like the looks
> of it.   Hey folks, this is radio, not TV. I can't see what you are
> using but I sure can hear it!
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Clay Autery]

You do realize that:

1) You will see a disproportionate number of "issues" related posts on a
SUPPORT reflector versus the actual issue to total population ratio. 
Right?  IAW...  May LOOK like there are a lot of issues but your are
looking at the place where everyone with issues posts...  NOT seeing a
representative sample IAW.
2) The POINT of a modular system is so you can a) get only what you
want/need, and b) get what you can afford now and add options later. 
This is a proven approach allowing folks (like me for instance) to
"drive a Cadillac" when the budget says economy car.  You can start with
a 10 W K3s kit and build it up as funds present... OR you can do like me
and hit the ground running with a fully loaded kit (sans 2nd receiver
and 2M).
3) If you want flashy looks or flashy looks is high on your priority
list, then there are boxes you can buy that flash and go bing.  Elecraft
builds radios that work, go to the field, and perform at the very top of
the game.

I'd sacrifice my left arm, right nut, and fight you "tooth and nail"
before I gave up my K3S.

Try getting this level of performance AND support out of any of the
off-shore companies...  Try getting most any other company to do
hardware and performance updates and make them available at a reasonable
price for YOU to install...

Just hope you will investigate further...  Fact is, I seldom even look
at the gear unless I am in the field...  I run it through Win4K3Suite,
HRD modules, et al on one monitor ...  Have the P3 on another big
monitor  Nice mic on an overhead boom...  Only thing on my desktop is my
mouse, key, and keyboard...

73,

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On 7/29/2017 8:59 AM, Thom wrote:
> All I can say to Elecraft is if I had the money to buy a K3 with all
> the options, given all the issues people have with them on this list,
> I probably would not even consider buying one.
>
> I was not really all that impressed with the look of it when I saw it
> at Dayton this year.  It reminded me of the Kenwood gear, I currently
> own.
>
> 73
>
> Thom KI8W

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[WILLIE BABER]

I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one, and so sales may not be as 
robust as a result. The many improvements over time have created a mature 
radio--and all essential improvements can be made to an early K3 (same with the 
K2).  I appreciate Elecraft for this approach to building radios.  However, 
this does mean that many of us are using aging K3s that work just as well as 
the new K3s.  I have two K3 radios (so2r), one is about nine years older than 
the other one but they are both essentially the same.  

It does seem that the prices associated with adding more options to the basic 
radio is different from the original sales philosophy of Elecraft: a top 
performing radio at a price that is lower because you buy only what you need 
and you can save even more by assembling it yourself.

This still applies but not as well as it did with the original K3, first 
produced some years ago however!

I never thought of Elecraft as an inexpensive radio (it looked inexpensive if 
you purchased the basic kit and nothing else); rather, I could see the savings 
in purchasing only what I wanted but still had the performance and I/O for the 
future. 

Finally, maintaining the K3 is far less expensive (compared to other radios) 
because many of us can do minor repair ourselves, with instructions provided by 
Elecraft technicians.

73, Will, wj9b



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On Sat, 7/29/17, Bill W4ZV  wrote:

 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Saturday, July 29, 2017, 5:50 AM
 
 http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
 
 I still question the wisdom of
 bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
 capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went
 against Elecraft's original
 philosophy
 of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we
 really
 wanted.  This resulted in inflating
 the base price which put it out of reach
 for
 many folks and further away from competing products
 (IC-7300, Kenwood
 590 and Flex 6300).  That
 must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.
 
 A viable option is to buy a
 recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
 configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are
 in the $1500 making this a
 viable
 alternative IMHO.
 
 73, 
 Bill  W4ZV
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Kevin Stover, AC0H]

Exactly!!

I'll bet it's more like 95% PEBCAR (Problem Exists Between Chair and 
Radio), Along with the "We Don't Need No Stinking Manuals" attitude 
exhibited by some "real" radio people. We also have the design engineers 
who like to come on and say how they would have done it differently or 
their design is better. OK smart guy...where's YOUR Radio company 
building and selling your self designed wonder of the ages?


It's really funny and a nice comical relief respit from the real world.



On 7/29/2017 9:43 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

Not to point any fingers at ANYONE, but most of the "problems" that show up
here are in fact, miss-interpretations, or.NOT reading the manual in the
first place.
And I'm as guilty of this as anyone. Hey, I know how to operate a bloody
radio right?   However, I try not to cry wolf until I have completely proven
myself as not the culprit, which means I seldom do post a problem!

Another area that can easily be interpreted as a "problem" when scanning the
forum is actually with after-market software and/or interfacing with
peripheral equipment.
If you count the real production/equipment failures vs. "others", I'll bet
they're quite low and typical of any quality manufacturer.

73, Charlie k3ICH






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Re: [Elecraft] OT K3S Package Discounts

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

As one that is involved in other like type reflectors {owner and / or 
moderator}, they are a great source of information, for problem solving 
and learning, specially for those new to ham radio or new to a 
particular radio.  If one would just read the manual that would help for 
75% of the time.  RTFM  {Read The Full Manual}So in that light, most 
things one reads on the reflectors will appear to be issues.   I'd 
always heard "the bit dog yelps the loudest." What's not generally seen 
are the "good ones" being those that are having great success with their 
radio.


Look at product reviews on a place such as Amazon.   Same thing. A few 
good ones, which are from satisfied customers.  It would be interesting 
to see the percentage of units sold vs. satisfied customer posting.   At 
the same time, the percentage sold compared against the unsatisfied 
customers posting.   The point being, we are quick to write and post a 
complaint, but rarely do we take time to share good results.


For me, the K3S is on top of the performance and feature list. Issues 
and problems on my part at at absolute 0.   And I have other radios, 
both USA made and JA made.  The K3S tops all of them in quality and 
performance.   Zero complaints and Zero problems here   {other than 
those where I screw up.}


Most are quick to fault a product and point fingers.   I say, "when one 
points a finger, look down, there's likely 3 pointing back at the true 
source of the problem".   Someone said they didn't like the looks of 
it.   Hey folks, this is radio, not TV. I can't see what you are using 
but I sure can hear it!


73

Bob, K4TAX

K3S  s/n 10163



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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

Not to point any fingers at ANYONE, but most of the "problems" that show up
here are in fact, miss-interpretations, or.NOT reading the manual in the
first place.
And I'm as guilty of this as anyone. Hey, I know how to operate a bloody
radio right?   However, I try not to cry wolf until I have completely proven
myself as not the culprit, which means I seldom do post a problem! 

Another area that can easily be interpreted as a "problem" when scanning the
forum is actually with after-market software and/or interfacing with
peripheral equipment.
If you count the real production/equipment failures vs. "others", I'll bet
they're quite low and typical of any quality manufacturer.

73, Charlie k3ICH



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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Vic Rosenthal
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 10:26 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

The email reflector is the first place to go if you have a problem. So of
course reading it gives you the impression that there are a lot of problems.
But I suspect it would be the same with a similar reflector dedicated to ANY
manufacturer's equipment.
The look... well, that is up to you!

Vic 4X6GP 



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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Vic Rosenthal]

The email reflector is the first place to go if you have a problem. So of 
course reading it gives you the impression that there are a lot of problems. 
But I suspect it would be the same with a similar reflector dedicated to ANY 
manufacturer's equipment.
The look... well, that is up to you!

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 29 Jul 2017, at 16:59, Thom  wrote:
> 
> All I can say to Elecraft is if I had the money to buy a K3 with all the 
> options, given all the issues people have with them on this list, I probably 
> would not even consider buying one.
> 
> I was not really all that impressed with the look of it when I saw it at 
> Dayton this year.  It reminded me of the Kenwood gear, I currently own.
> 
> 73
> 
> Thom KI8W
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 error

[Jack Brindle]

How is the KPA connected? To what? What is the RADIO setting?

If you are using a K3 and have RADIO set to K3, then my guess is you have bad 
connections in the AUXIO cable. In this mode the KPA. Asks the K3 to switch to 
the band you request, then it waits for the radio to actually switch. It 
watches the band signals for this. If they are intermittent or misconnected, it 
will switch to the wrong band.
Did you move things around recently or bump the cable? Check it for the problem.

Jack, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

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> On Jul 29, 2017, at 2:44 AM, Holger Doerschel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> will not switch to operate any more. The assignments of the most keys is 
> wrong. For example the 28 Band Key will change the Display to 7.0 MHz.
> 
> Any hints?
> 
> 
> 73s, Holger . DL9HDA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Thom]

All I can say to Elecraft is if I had the money to buy a K3 with all the 
options, given all the issues people have with them on this list, I 
probably would not even consider buying one.


I was not really all that impressed with the look of it when I saw it at 
Dayton this year.  It reminded me of the Kenwood gear, I currently own.


73

Thom KI8W



On 7/29/2017 07:50, Bill W4ZV wrote:

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg

I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we really
wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of reach
for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.

A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
viable alternative IMHO.

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN

[Colin]

Mike,

Ignoring the mode in use, into a dummy load the K3 is shutting down at 
power in excess of 40W on tune.


I'm using a 40A PSU and a new factory made power lead.  I am beginning 
to suspect the PA.


73

Colin, G3PSM

On 25/07/2017 17:24, Mike Flowers wrote:

If you have a dummy load, try running JT8 or JT65 into that at your usual
power.If problem does not reoccur, then likely RFI is the culprit.

If it does reoccur, then likely the K3 is having issues.

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC


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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-
boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Colin
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:15 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65

Buddy/Mike, further to my earlier email the current on receive is actually

1.05A

as measured on a digital multimeter and not 5A as indicated on the PSU

analogue

meter.

Of course this doesn't solve the immediate problem.

73

Colin, G3PSM





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Subject:Re: [Elecraft] K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65
Date:   Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:01:10 +0100
From:   Colin 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net



Mike, I am experiencing a similar thing.   I had a session on FT8 a few
days ago and my K3 shut down completely, in fact it blew a 20A fuse on my
alternate 20A PSU but just shuts down on my 40A supply.

One thing I notice is that it appears to be drawing nearly 5 Amps on

receive

which is excessive and one occasion while I was testing actually shut down

on

receive.

It isn't the DC lead as I have replaced that with a factory supplied item.

I'm still working on it but unless the experts in this group have any

ideas I will

attempt to re-invent the wheel.

73

Colin, G3PSM

On 23/07/2017 03:17, Michael Walker wrote:

Hi Buddy

I can thing of 2 things.  Overheating .. not likely since usually the
RF section shut downs.

RF getting into the power supply.  Grounding might not make a

difference.

RF Chokes on the power supply DC cord might help.

Oh, the 3rd thing, Is your power supply up to the task?  Might it be
failing? Throw a volt meter on it.

Mike va3mw


On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 9:28 PM, buddy s  wrote:


i am using wsjt-x software for jt65 using my k3.  after operating for
approximately 2 hours today,  i answered a cq, and after 30 seconds
the k3 shut down completely.  i waited a few minutes and changed
antennas.  the k3 powered up, and i tried again.  same result,
shutdown after 30 seconds of transmitting.  my power is set to 30
watts, and i am using a kat500 with both antennas.

any suggestions, any questions?

73 de
W3BS, Buddy Spiegel
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[Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

[Bill W4ZV]

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg

I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we really
wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of reach
for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.

A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
viable alternative IMHO.

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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[Elecraft] KPA500 error

[Holger Doerschel]

Hi,

will not switch to operate any more. The assignments of the most keys is 
wrong. For example the 28 Band Key will change the Display to 7.0 MHz.


Any hints?


73s, Holger . DL9HDA

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Re: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP

[Keith Hutt]

So are you saying that a operator who uses a KX2, KX3  is more experienced 
and

is a more valid contact than say someone using a FT817?.

Because that is just pure arrogance, saying that Elecraft operators are the 
only experienced

operators in the world.

Oh and yes i use Elecraft KX2, KX3, K3 on a daily basis, and while i think 
they are the finest radios on the market
and value for money, there are many people out there who are superb 
operators who do not have the financial means

to use Elecraft.

Regards

Keith G0TSH


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Subject: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP

Yep thats right do not sign /QRP. Sign /KX2 or /KX3. This way an
experienced operator will know immediately that you are no fool and that
this is a Q worth pursuing.

73, Dan KM6CQ
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[Elecraft] WTB: PX3 with cables in good used condition - What have you?

[Dave AD6A]

Anyone got a lightly-used-but-no-longer-needed Elecraft PX3 panadapter with
all the cables (manuals not needed, but I'll take them if you have them) in
good clean used condition that they'd like to sell me? 

 

Contact me off the Elecraft list at dave at AD6A dot com or call
408-208-7373 (cell) to discuss.

 

Many thanks,
Dave Fifield

AD6A



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