Re: [Elecraft] Arc Fault Detector Woes

[Val]

Gentelmen,


Read the details and not the message subject only. It is not a matter of a
faulty detector and a HF caused false AFCI trip. There is no way 100W RF to
trip a detector that is OK at 500W. Tom guessed it right, it should be the
KPA3-100. As the issue is on 80M only (maybe on 160M too?) and the other
bands are OK, the DC circuits (as the power supply connector) can be ruled
out. 


It could be a faulty choke or a capacitor causing a LF parasitic
oscillations. Actually the arc fault detector is watching for LF waves that
every arc use to emit. Remember where the radio started from.


73, Val LZ1VB


- Цитат от Tom Doligalski via Elecraft
(elecraft@mailman.qth.net), на 04.01.2021 в 19:57 -  Over the last
several weeks I’ve been having problems with the arc fault detector
(AFCI) in my fusebox.This does not control the power to the shack, but to
our garage door operners.


It seemed random at first, but I think I’ve tracked it down a bit.


Running an Elecraft K3/KPA500/KAT500 combo. The AFCI ONLY trips when on 80
CW, running 100 watts (the KPA500 in standby bode). If the KPA500 is ON
(running 500 watts) there is no problem.


Seems fine on other bands….


80M antenna is a Carolina Windom. The usual baluns/line isolator/grounding
stuff.


Any ides?


Kinda worried that there is an issue with the 100 W amp in the K3.


73. 


Tom W4KX
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Re: [Elecraft] Does a K4 need an external sound card for FT8?

[Ed Muns]

There are multiple aspects to this question.  As another K4 field tester,
here's my take, trying to objectively outline the choices for all users.

1. Any of the following soundcard alternatives can be used with the K4:
a. PC soundcard, either integrated or added, e.g., via USB or
plug-in card to a desktop
b. USB ham radio "interface" box, e.g., RigBlaster, microHAM
microKeyer or SO2R controller
c. K4 internal soundcard

In all cases, the Windows Sound Control has level controls for all these
alternatives.  In addition, the b and c alternatives have their own level
controls that can be thought of as logically in "series" with the Windows
level controls.  Generally, the Windows level controls are set to result in
a "reasonable" range of control by the additional level controls of
alternatives b and c.  In the case of alternative b, there are often
physical knobs.  The K4 (alternative c) has on-screen level controls that
can be varied with on-screen up/down arrows or by using the VFO-A knob.

2. All of these alternatives are equally adequate performance-wise.  The
exception might be low-end soundcards in alternative a.  Another exception
might be minimizing A-D and D-A conversions, in which case the K4 soundcard,
c, is ideal.  There are no analog audio cables, or signals, between the
radio's digital audio and the PC application, pure K4 digital audio direct
to the software.

3. Choosing one of the above alternatives is a personal preference we all
get to make.  If you like physical knobs readily available, then the
alternative b is good.  If, like me, you prefer simplicity and seldom touch
the soundcard levels, then the minimalist K4 soundcard solution c is nice.
If you have need for other features, e.g., SO2R control, then you'll have
that alternative b anyway and will use its sound card and user interface.  

Each of us can consider the alternatives and decide which is appealing and
suits our operating needs best.  I suspect it boils down to choosing between
alternatives b and c.

73,
Ed W0YK

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Dennis Dinga
Sent: 04 January, 2021 17:11
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Does a K4 need an external sound card for FT8?

This question keeps coming up but, but the answers are either 
incomplete or confusing.  Courtney KD6X asked it again on Jan 3 and 
has not received an answer.

Here's the way I'd like to ask it:  I use a West Mountain RIGblaster 
advantage instead of the sound card in my computer.  Why?  So that I 
have the convenience of adjusting TX and RX levels with physical 
knobs instead of using sliders on a monitor.  So how do you set 
levels with the K4?  Does it require fiddling with menus and going 
through several steps?  And like Courtney asked, is there anything 
else to gained by using an external 24 bit card?

-Dennis N6DD

++

Here is the way that Courtney KD6X put it:

"Any value in using a Microkeyer III with a K3S or K4D?

I have a K3... the best radio I've ever owed in my 50+ year ham 
life.  I'm currently using a US Interface Navigator with it for 
digital modes.  This is now sold as the Time Wave Navigator and has 
worked really well for me for many years.

My understanding is that the K3S and now the incoming K4's have sound 
cards built-in via the USB port.  So perhaps I won't need the 
Navigator anymore when my K4 eventually arrives.  But my question is 
whether there is still something to be gained using a newer 
transceiver interface with the K3S or K4?  I've been looking at the 
Microkeyer III with its 24 bit audio processing.  Does anyone have 
any hands-on experience with the Microkeyer III with Elecraft 
radios?  I'm particularly interested if it has a lower noise floor or 
other features that might not be found in the stock K3S or K4.

Thanks for any input or feedback!

   -- Courtney  KD6X"


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Re: [Elecraft] Does a K4 need an external sound card for FT8?

[Gwen Patton]

The Advantage has a soundcard in it. I have one too, but I used it in my
old Icom 746 pro.

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021, 8:11 PM Dennis Dinga  wrote:

> This question keeps coming up but, but the answers are either
> incomplete or confusing.  Courtney KD6X asked it again on Jan 3 and
> has not received an answer.
>
> Here's the way I'd like to ask it:  I use a West Mountain RIGblaster
> advantage instead of the sound card in my computer.  Why?  So that I
> have the convenience of adjusting TX and RX levels with physical
> knobs instead of using sliders on a monitor.  So how do you set
> levels with the K4?  Does it require fiddling with menus and going
> through several steps?  And like Courtney asked, is there anything
> else to gained by using an external 24 bit card?
>
> -Dennis N6DD
>
> ++
>
> Here is the way that Courtney KD6X put it:
>
> "Any value in using a Microkeyer III with a K3S or K4D?
>
> I have a K3... the best radio I've ever owed in my 50+ year ham
> life.  I'm currently using a US Interface Navigator with it for
> digital modes.  This is now sold as the Time Wave Navigator and has
> worked really well for me for many years.
>
> My understanding is that the K3S and now the incoming K4's have sound
> cards built-in via the USB port.  So perhaps I won't need the
> Navigator anymore when my K4 eventually arrives.  But my question is
> whether there is still something to be gained using a newer
> transceiver interface with the K3S or K4?  I've been looking at the
> Microkeyer III with its 24 bit audio processing.  Does anyone have
> any hands-on experience with the Microkeyer III with Elecraft
> radios?  I'm particularly interested if it has a lower noise floor or
> other features that might not be found in the stock K3S or K4.
>
> Thanks for any input or feedback!
>
>-- Courtney  KD6X"
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Anticipation !!

[Drew AF2Z]

Waiting for the kit version here, which might as well be another product 
entirely as far as the anticipation aspect goes...


But *I* find it curious that there are no pics of whats under the hood. 
I guess there's a reason for that but I'd sure like to see more photos 
of what's inside.


73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 01/04/21 22:26, JR wrote:

Howdy gang!

Has anyone actually received his K4?  The Elecraft sales lady said they 
are slowly shipping first wave units.  I find it curious there is no 
excited chatter about it.


The suspense is killing me !!! :-)

K8JHR
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[Elecraft] Anticipation !!

[JR]

Howdy gang!

Has anyone actually received his K4?  The Elecraft sales lady said they 
are slowly shipping first wave units.  I find it curious there is no 
excited chatter about it.


The suspense is killing me !!! :-)

K8JHR
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Question

[Wayne Burdick]

I meant to say that 4K is the maximum resolution supported. Standard lower 
resolutions are also supported. 

Wayne
N6KR


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> On Jan 4, 2021, at 7:12 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:41 PM, Ken via Elecraft  
> wrote:
>> Will the K4 Band Scope support line only (eg. no fill) wave forms, like the 
>> P3 ?
> 
> Yes. There are multiple selections for spectrum fill including OFF. 
> 
> 
>> What external monitor resolutions are supported by the K4 ?
> 
> 4K (3840 x 2160)
> 
> 
>> 
>> W8KEN - Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] Does a K4 need an external sound card for FT8?

[Rick Tavan]

The K4 has an internal sound card but its use is optional. I've used it on
AFSK but not yet on other digital modes. Level setting is via soft
controls, not dedicated physical knobs. This requires tapping the
touch-screen several times, then turning the main tuning knob to adjust
each level. You might want to download the available *Introduction to the
Elecraft K4* or the *Builtin Operating Manual* files at
https://elecraft.com/pages/manuals-downloads. Click Support, then Manuals,
then K4 and you'll see it.

Setting up the K4 for RTTY using its internal sound card required no
additional cables beyond what I was already using for computer control (a
USB A-B cable). YMMV, though, and if you want dedicated level knobs, you
can connect an external sound card through analog 1/8" LINE IN/OUT phone
jacks. You will still need to use the soft controls to tell K4 which type
of connection you're using.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 5:12 PM Dennis Dinga  wrote:

> This question keeps coming up but, but the answers are either
> incomplete or confusing.  Courtney KD6X asked it again on Jan 3 and
> has not received an answer.
>
> Here's the way I'd like to ask it:  I use a West Mountain RIGblaster
> advantage instead of the sound card in my computer.  Why?  So that I
> have the convenience of adjusting TX and RX levels with physical
> knobs instead of using sliders on a monitor.  So how do you set
> levels with the K4?  Does it require fiddling with menus and going
> through several steps?  And like Courtney asked, is there anything
> else to gained by using an external 24 bit card?
>
> -Dennis N6DD
>
> ++
>
> Here is the way that Courtney KD6X put it:
>
> "Any value in using a Microkeyer III with a K3S or K4D?
>
> I have a K3... the best radio I've ever owed in my 50+ year ham
> life.  I'm currently using a US Interface Navigator with it for
> digital modes.  This is now sold as the Time Wave Navigator and has
> worked really well for me for many years.
>
> My understanding is that the K3S and now the incoming K4's have sound
> cards built-in via the USB port.  So perhaps I won't need the
> Navigator anymore when my K4 eventually arrives.  But my question is
> whether there is still something to be gained using a newer
> transceiver interface with the K3S or K4?  I've been looking at the
> Microkeyer III with its 24 bit audio processing.  Does anyone have
> any hands-on experience with the Microkeyer III with Elecraft
> radios?  I'm particularly interested if it has a lower noise floor or
> other features that might not be found in the stock K3S or K4.
>
> Thanks for any input or feedback!
>
>-- Courtney  KD6X"
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Question

[Wayne Burdick]

On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:41 PM, Ken via Elecraft  wrote:
> Will the K4 Band Scope support line only (eg. no fill) wave forms, like the 
> P3 ?

Yes. There are multiple selections for spectrum fill including OFF. 


> What external monitor resolutions are supported by the K4 ?

4K (3840 x 2160)


> 
> W8KEN - Ken
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[Elecraft] K4 Question

[Ken via Elecraft]

Will the K4 Band Scope support line only (eg. no fill) wave forms, like the P3 ?

What external monitor resolutions are supported by the K4 ?

W8KEN - Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] Does a K4 need an external sound card for FT8?

[Bill Frantz]

In an ideal world, we would not have any analog audio in use for 
digital modes. Analog RF to the ADC in the front end of the 
radio. Digital through the "radio" to the digital path to the 
computer to the digital processing for digital modes.


The K3S actually goes through a DtoA conversion and then a AtoD 
again within the radio. Does the K4 also do this?


For audio, of course, somewhere we need to do DtoA conversion.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/4/21 at 8:36 PM, n...@elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) wrote:

The sound card is built into the K4 (stereo line out for RX, 
line in for TX). Adjustment is simple. There is no advantage 
whatsoever to using an external sound card.


The K4 also has analog line in/out for backwards compatibility, 
and supports digital audio streaming over Ethernet as well.


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Re: [Elecraft] Does a K4 need an external sound card for FT8?

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi Dennis,

The sound card is built into the K4 (stereo line out for RX, line in for TX). 
Adjustment is simple. There is no advantage whatsoever to using an external 
sound card.

The K4 also has analog line in/out for backwards compatibility, and supports 
digital audio streaming over Ethernet as well.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jan 4, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Dennis Dinga  wrote:
> 
> This question keeps coming up but, but the answers are either incomplete or 
> confusing.  Courtney KD6X asked it again on Jan 3 and has not received an 
> answer.
> 
> Here's the way I'd like to ask it:  I use a West Mountain RIGblaster 
> advantage instead of the sound card in my computer.  Why?  So that I have the 
> convenience of adjusting TX and RX levels with physical knobs instead of 
> using sliders on a monitor.  So how do you set levels with the K4?  Does it 
> require fiddling with menus and going through several steps?  And like 
> Courtney asked, is there anything else to gained by using an external 24 bit 
> card?
> 
> -Dennis N6DD
> 
> ++
> 
> Here is the way that Courtney KD6X put it:
> 
> "Any value in using a Microkeyer III with a K3S or K4D?
> 
> I have a K3... the best radio I've ever owed in my 50+ year ham life.  I'm 
> currently using a US Interface Navigator with it for digital modes.  This is 
> now sold as the Time Wave Navigator and has worked really well for me for 
> many years.
> 
> My understanding is that the K3S and now the incoming K4's have sound cards 
> built-in via the USB port.  So perhaps I won't need the Navigator anymore 
> when my K4 eventually arrives.  But my question is whether there is still 
> something to be gained using a newer transceiver interface with the K3S or 
> K4?  I've been looking at the Microkeyer III with its 24 bit audio 
> processing.  Does anyone have any hands-on experience with the Microkeyer III 
> with Elecraft radios?  I'm particularly interested if it has a lower noise 
> floor or other features that might not be found in the stock K3S or K4.
> 
> Thanks for any input or feedback!
> 
>  -- Courtney  KD6X"
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Any value in using a Microkeyer III with a K3S or K4?

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Are you aware of any move afoot to support higher bit levels in 

> upcoming versions of popular software?

I have no insight into the roadmap for most amateur digital software.
However, I doubt that many developers will expend the effort to do
24 bit processing.  The 97 dB (theoretical) - 88 to 90 dB practical
dynamic range of a well designed sound card is quite adequate for most
HF purposes.

The "background noise" in suburban/semi rural areas is on the order of
-135 dBm (~0.05 uV).  That means a 90 dB dynamic range can handle from
the background noise to about S9+30 dB.  Using an attenuator or reducing
the RF gain in the presence of signals above S9+20 dB can extend the
useful dynamic range by another 20 dB or more.

The only use case for greater dynamic range would be for SDR purposes
where a very wide spectrum was being processed simultaneously or for
extremely "quiet" frequencies (e.g. VHF/UHF with antennas pointed to
a quiet part of the sky - EME or radio astronomy).  In the VHF/UHF
case, dynamic range (noise floor) can be improved much more economically
through the use of low noise preamplifiers (and receiving converters).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-01-04 7:34 PM, Courtney Krehbiel wrote:

Thank you for your input Joe!  I didn't really think of the software as 
impacting the functional resolution of the sound card.  But upon looking at the 
block diagram for my Navigator, I can see that's the case.  Are you aware of 
any move afoot to support higher bit levels in upcoming versions of popular 
software?

Thanks again, and 73!

   -- Courtney  KD6X

-Original Message-
From: Joe Subich, W4TV 
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:12 PM
To: Courtney Krehbiel 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Any value in using a Microkeyer III with a K3S or K4?


Unless the interface is poorly designed (like some "low price"
amateur only devices), the noise floor is generally set by the IF noise in the 
transceiver on the higher bands and by the "no signal" atmospheric noise on the 
low bands.

A 24 bit sound card has the potential to provide greater dynamic range than the more 
common 16 bit cards but *only* if the software is written to take advantage of the 
"extra bits".  Swapping a 24 bit sound card for a 16 bit sound card will make 
no difference on existing software like MMTTY, FLDIGI/DM780, etc.

73,

 ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-01-03 6:50 PM, Courtney Krehbiel wrote:

I have a K3... the best radio I've ever owed in my 50+ year ham life.  I'm 
currently using a US Interface Navigator with it for digital modes.  This is 
now sold as the Time Wave Navigator and has worked really well for me for many 
years.

My understanding is that the K3S and now the incoming K4's have sound cards 
built-in via the USB port.  So perhaps I won't need the Navigator anymore when 
my K4 eventually arrives.  But my question is whether there is still something 
to be gained using a newer transceiver interface with the K3S or K4?  I've been 
looking at the Microkeyer III with its 24 bit audio processing.  Does anyone 
have any hands-on experience with the Microkeyer III with Elecraft radios?  I'm 
particularly interested if it has a lower noise floor or other features that 
might not be found in the stock K3S or K4.

Thanks for any input or feedback!

-- Courtney  KD6X




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[Elecraft] Does a K4 need an external sound card for FT8?

[Dennis Dinga]

This question keeps coming up but, but the answers are either 
incomplete or confusing.  Courtney KD6X asked it again on Jan 3 and 
has not received an answer.


Here's the way I'd like to ask it:  I use a West Mountain RIGblaster 
advantage instead of the sound card in my computer.  Why?  So that I 
have the convenience of adjusting TX and RX levels with physical 
knobs instead of using sliders on a monitor.  So how do you set 
levels with the K4?  Does it require fiddling with menus and going 
through several steps?  And like Courtney asked, is there anything 
else to gained by using an external 24 bit card?


-Dennis N6DD

++

Here is the way that Courtney KD6X put it:

"Any value in using a Microkeyer III with a K3S or K4D?

I have a K3... the best radio I've ever owed in my 50+ year ham 
life.  I'm currently using a US Interface Navigator with it for 
digital modes.  This is now sold as the Time Wave Navigator and has 
worked really well for me for many years.


My understanding is that the K3S and now the incoming K4's have sound 
cards built-in via the USB port.  So perhaps I won't need the 
Navigator anymore when my K4 eventually arrives.  But my question is 
whether there is still something to be gained using a newer 
transceiver interface with the K3S or K4?  I've been looking at the 
Microkeyer III with its 24 bit audio processing.  Does anyone have 
any hands-on experience with the Microkeyer III with Elecraft 
radios?  I'm particularly interested if it has a lower noise floor or 
other features that might not be found in the stock K3S or K4.


Thanks for any input or feedback!

  -- Courtney  KD6X"


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Re: [Elecraft] Nifty Manuals - Elecraft K2

[Phil Kane]

On 1/4/2021 11:07 AM, Mick Hall via Elecraft wrote:


These are still available new in the UK at Elecraft K2 Plus Options Nifty Mini 
Manual


I found their web site (https://www.radioworld.co.uk) and have inquired 
as to the availability in non-PDF form and the price mailed to the US. 
I will post the results when they reply.


73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

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Re: [Elecraft] Nifty Manuals

[Neil Zampella]

Hi Mick,

there was no link to any site for this.  Could you copy and paste ?

Thanks,

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 1/4/2021 1:07 PM, Mick Hall wrote:

These are still available new in the UK at Elecraft K2 Plus Options Nifty Mini 
Manual

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Elecraft K2 Plus Options Nifty Mini Manual

Compact K2 Mini-manual. Size, 5 x 7.5 inches. Twenty-four high-quality 
laminated pages, loaded with detailed ins...
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73 Mick 2E0MMH




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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter Cable Connections

[Ken K6MR]

Do not use a Y cable.  I could go into the whole technical description, but 
don’t.

I’m assuming here a normal non-USB K3.  What you should do is connect the P3 
normally to the K3 through the XCVR port on the P3, and then connect the 
Microham device to the PC port on the P3.

Ken K6MR

From: MICHAEL SMITH
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 12:29
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter Cable Connections

Gentlemen:

I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The installation shares 
the RS232 connection with a Microham USB interface III for digital operation.  
I used a Y cable to connect both of these units simultaneously.

I find I cannot run both at the same time.  If I do, the P3 does not display 
the frequency at the top of the screen, and does not display the band-pass of 
the VFO A.  Each unit will run separately with full function.

Has anyone else experienced this interaction?  Were you able to adjust the 
connection to allow full function of both units?  How did you do it?

73, Mike Smith
K0CCM
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Re: [Elecraft] Arc Fault Detector Woes

[Mark Goldberg]

I had done some research a while back of various postings on forums
and came to the conclusion that the fixed Eaton BR or Square D
Homeline AFCIs would work OK in the presence of RF.

I have not tried either yet. ARRL had a link to a contact at Eaton here:

http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-helps-manufacturer-to-resolve-arc-fault-circuit-interrupter-rfi-problems

73,

Mark
W7MLG


On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 3:34 PM weave...@usermail.com
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>
> Tom,
>
> I had the same problem with a new house in 2011. The Eaton breakers of that 
> era (2010-2012 or so) were faulty and being replaced by Eaton. It’s a long 
> shot that it’s the cause of your problem but I mention it just in case (or if 
> someone else is having a chronic problem).
>
> 73,
> Bill WE5P
>
> Comfortably Numb
>
> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 15:31, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Over the last several weeks I’ve been having problems with the arc fault 
> > detector (AFCI) in my fusebox.This does not control the power to the shack, 
> > but to our garage door operners.
> >
> > It seemed random at first, but I think I’ve tracked it down a bit.
> >
> > Running an Elecraft K3/KPA500/KAT500 combo. The AFCI ONLY trips when on 80 
> > CW, running 100 watts (the KPA500 in standby bode). If the KPA500 is ON 
> > (running 500 watts) there is no problem.
> >
> > Seems fine on other bands….
> >
> > 80M antenna is a Carolina Windom. The usual baluns/line isolator/grounding 
> > stuff.
> >
> > Any ides?
> >
> > Kinda worried that there is an issue with the 100 W amp in the K3.
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Re: [Elecraft] Arc Fault Detector Woes

[Lou Mecseri]

I had similar line conducted RF issue with my brand new Samsung gas 
range/stove. 30 watts turned on the gas oven and adjusted the clock 
randomly.  Installation of a computer type line filter solved my 
problem. Samsung was not interested or wanted to address the issue. I 
did prevail and finally a Samsung engineer admitted the design problem. 
No solution from Samsung. I would buy AC connected Samsung product with 
the option to return in case of RF issue.   Perhaps Consumer Report 
should evaluate products for RF susceptibility the FCC sure not interested.


73, Lou KE1F.

On 1/4/2021 5:21 PM, Jon Poland wrote:

Is the Windom in your attic or outside?  My guess is that your antenna is
parallel to the house wiring, and is inducing a current on the ground or
neutral wire.  A replacement AFCI breaker might fix the problem.  Or a
heavy choke on the AC.

This may or may not be your situation.  Most newer houses run all electric
wires from the breaker box up into the attic and back down to wherever they
need to be.  At least in single-story homes.  That puts the attic antenna
close to the unshielded house wiring.

In my house, it wasn't the AFCI that would go nuts, but the doorbell would
ring when I went over 35 Watts on 20m.  I had to install a choke on the
doorbell wire to stop that.  Now, every time I transmit, I imagine the
doorbell or smoke detector going off in my neighbor's 2-story next to me.

jon N0WL

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:32 PM Tom Doligalski via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:


Should have mentioned that there up is no trouble at 25 watts.

Certainly no trouble at 100 watts back at Field Day.

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 4, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Tom Doligalski  wrote:

Over the last several weeks I’ve been having problems with the arc

fault detector (AFCI) in my fusebox.This does not control the power to the
shack, but to our garage door operners.

It seemed random at first, but I think I’ve tracked it down a bit.

Running an Elecraft K3/KPA500/KAT500 combo. The AFCI ONLY trips when on

80 CW, running 100 watts (the KPA500 in standby bode). If the KPA500 is ON
(running 500 watts) there is no problem.

Seems fine on other bands….

80M antenna is a Carolina Windom. The usual baluns/line

isolator/grounding stuff.

Any ides?

Kinda worried that there is an issue with the 100 W amp in the K3.

73.

Tom W4KX

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Re: [Elecraft] Arc Fault Detector Woes

[weave...@usermail.com]

Tom,

I had the same problem with a new house in 2011. The Eaton breakers of that era 
(2010-2012 or so) were faulty and being replaced by Eaton. It’s a long shot 
that it’s the cause of your problem but I mention it just in case (or if 
someone else is having a chronic problem).

73,
Bill WE5P

Comfortably Numb

> On Jan 4, 2021, at 15:31, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Over the last several weeks I’ve been having problems with the arc fault 
> detector (AFCI) in my fusebox.This does not control the power to the shack, 
> but to our garage door operners.
> 
> It seemed random at first, but I think I’ve tracked it down a bit.
> 
> Running an Elecraft K3/KPA500/KAT500 combo. The AFCI ONLY trips when on 80 
> CW, running 100 watts (the KPA500 in standby bode). If the KPA500 is ON 
> (running 500 watts) there is no problem.
> 
> Seems fine on other bands….
> 
> 80M antenna is a Carolina Windom. The usual baluns/line isolator/grounding 
> stuff.
> 
> Any ides?
> 
> Kinda worried that there is an issue with the 100 W amp in the K3.
> 
> 73. 
> 
> Tom W4KX
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Re: [Elecraft] Arc Fault Detector Woes

[Tom Doligalski via Elecraft]

Windom is 20’ outside, pretty perpendicular to the house . No problem at 500W. 

Sent from my iPad 

> On Jan 4, 2021, at 5:22 PM, Jon Poland  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is the Windom in your attic or outside?  My guess is that your antenna is 
> parallel to the house wiring, and is inducing a current on the ground or 
> neutral wire.  A replacement AFCI breaker might fix the problem.  Or a heavy 
> choke on the AC.
> 
> This may or may not be your situation.  Most newer houses run all electric 
> wires from the breaker box up into the attic and back down to wherever they 
> need to be.  At least in single-story homes.  That puts the attic antenna 
> close to the unshielded house wiring.
> 
> In my house, it wasn't the AFCI that would go nuts, but the doorbell would 
> ring when I went over 35 Watts on 20m.  I had to install a choke on the 
> doorbell wire to stop that.  Now, every time I transmit, I imagine the 
> doorbell or smoke detector going off in my neighbor's 2-story next to me.
> 
> jon N0WL
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:32 PM Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
>>  wrote:
>> Should have mentioned that there up is no trouble at 25 watts. 
>> 
>> Certainly no trouble at 100 watts back at Field Day. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad 
>> 
>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Tom Doligalski  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Over the last several weeks I’ve been having problems with the arc fault 
>> > detector (AFCI) in my fusebox.This does not control the power to the 
>> > shack, but to our garage door operners.
>> > 
>> > It seemed random at first, but I think I’ve tracked it down a bit.
>> > 
>> > Running an Elecraft K3/KPA500/KAT500 combo. The AFCI ONLY trips when on 80 
>> > CW, running 100 watts (the KPA500 in standby bode). If the KPA500 is ON 
>> > (running 500 watts) there is no problem.
>> > 
>> > Seems fine on other bands….
>> > 
>> > 80M antenna is a Carolina Windom. The usual baluns/line isolator/grounding 
>> > stuff.
>> > 
>> > Any ides?
>> > 
>> > Kinda worried that there is an issue with the 100 W amp in the K3.
>> > 
>> > 73. 
>> > 
>> > Tom W4KX
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Re: [Elecraft] Arc Fault Detector Woes

[Jon Poland]

Is the Windom in your attic or outside?  My guess is that your antenna is
parallel to the house wiring, and is inducing a current on the ground or
neutral wire.  A replacement AFCI breaker might fix the problem.  Or a
heavy choke on the AC.

This may or may not be your situation.  Most newer houses run all electric
wires from the breaker box up into the attic and back down to wherever they
need to be.  At least in single-story homes.  That puts the attic antenna
close to the unshielded house wiring.

In my house, it wasn't the AFCI that would go nuts, but the doorbell would
ring when I went over 35 Watts on 20m.  I had to install a choke on the
doorbell wire to stop that.  Now, every time I transmit, I imagine the
doorbell or smoke detector going off in my neighbor's 2-story next to me.

jon N0WL

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:32 PM Tom Doligalski via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Should have mentioned that there up is no trouble at 25 watts.
>
> Certainly no trouble at 100 watts back at Field Day.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Tom Doligalski  wrote:
> >
> > Over the last several weeks I’ve been having problems with the arc
> fault detector (AFCI) in my fusebox.This does not control the power to the
> shack, but to our garage door operners.
> >
> > It seemed random at first, but I think I’ve tracked it down a bit.
> >
> > Running an Elecraft K3/KPA500/KAT500 combo. The AFCI ONLY trips when on
> 80 CW, running 100 watts (the KPA500 in standby bode). If the KPA500 is ON
> (running 500 watts) there is no problem.
> >
> > Seems fine on other bands….
> >
> > 80M antenna is a Carolina Windom. The usual baluns/line
> isolator/grounding stuff.
> >
> > Any ides?
> >
> > Kinda worried that there is an issue with the 100 W amp in the K3.
> >
> > 73.
> >
> > Tom W4KX
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[Elecraft] 40 meter net 1-1-21

[Steve Hall]

*EACH SUNDAY 1900Z 7.280 MHZ*

WM6PSTEVE GA   K3S  NET CONTROL
WY3T TIM   FL   K3S
N0MPM  MIKEIAK3S
KB3FBR JOE  PA   K2
WB9JNZ ERICIL K3
K1NW BRIAN RI K3
K8NU  CARL  OH   K3S
K2BJKVERN  NYK3S
NC0JW   JIM  CO   KX3
W4DML   DOUG TN   K3
AE6JV BILL NH  K3
N4NRW   ROGER SC K3
AB7CEROY  MT  K2
N2RMV   JOHNNY  FT-101
NP4CV   CARLOS FL  IC-7300
WE4N TOM   LA   K3
KB9AVO  PAUL IN   K3S
K8DSSED FL   IC-7300
KD9FNW BOB  ILOMNI
KA1CSO CHRIS   GA  FT-891
WB4YBY NORM   MS  ORION
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Re: [Elecraft] Arc Fault Detector Woes

[Linda M]

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Re: [Elecraft] Arc Fault Detector Woes

[Alan Corbeth]

Some yers ago I had a problem with the arc fault detectors tripping when 
transmitting.  After contacting the ARRL to see if they were aware of any 
problems with these devices, it turned out that some of the new Eaton units 
were overly susceptible to RF.  They put me in touch with Eaton who replaced 
all of them in my home.  This resolved most of those issues.  

Alan 
W7OL

> On Jan 4, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Should have mentioned that there up is no trouble at 25 watts. 
> 
> Certainly no trouble at 100 watts back at Field Day. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad 
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Tom Doligalski  wrote:
>> 
>> Over the last several weeks I’ve been having problems with the arc fault 
>> detector (AFCI) in my fusebox.This does not control the power to the shack, 
>> but to our garage door operners.
>> 
>> It seemed random at first, but I think I’ve tracked it down a bit.
>> 
>> Running an Elecraft K3/KPA500/KAT500 combo. The AFCI ONLY trips when on 80 
>> CW, running 100 watts (the KPA500 in standby bode). If the KPA500 is ON 
>> (running 500 watts) there is no problem.
>> 
>> Seems fine on other bands….
>> 
>> 80M antenna is a Carolina Windom. The usual baluns/line isolator/grounding 
>> stuff.
>> 
>> Any ides?
>> 
>> Kinda worried that there is an issue with the 100 W amp in the K3.
>> 
>> 73. 
>> 
>> Tom W4KX
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter Cable Connections

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 2021-01-04 4:07 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
> While I don't have the Microham, the Y should be first in the series
> (listen only port to the Microham);

*NO!!!*  The microHAM USB III is, in part, a USB to Serial converter.
It provides the CAT connection to the transceiver and should be treated
as a computer serial port.  The RS232 connection should *NEVER* be
attached to a "listen only" port on a "Y" cable.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-01-04 4:07 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
While I don't have the Microham, the Y should be first in the series 
(listen only port to the Microham); to the P3, then the cable from the 
P3 to the K3 so they can 'chat'.  (That is the same as I do for my 
SteppIR controller.)


HNY,
Rick NK7I


On 1/4/2021 12:28 PM, MICHAEL SMITH wrote:

Gentlemen:

I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The installation 
shares the RS232 connection with a Microham USB interface III for 
digital operation.  I used a Y cable to connect both of these units 
simultaneously.


I find I cannot run both at the same time.  If I do, the P3 does not 
display the frequency at the top of the screen, and does not display 
the band-pass of the VFO A.  Each unit will run separately with full 
function.


Has anyone else experienced this interaction?  Were you able to adjust 
the connection to allow full function of both units?  How did you do it?


73, Mike Smith
K0CCM



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Re: [Elecraft] Reaching across the chronological divide

[Fred Jensen]

Loudenboomer:  1962 1 KW linear amplifier also known as a Hallicrafters 
HT-45, not to be confused with the Eargesplitten Loudenboomer .22 cal 
cartridge.


In the mid 60's, the MARS station at Bien Hoa AB Vietnam [AI8AB] put up 
a 5el 3 frequency quad at 27 m for non-amateur MARS frequencies.  It 
resembled a dummy load in the transmit efficiency department.  A small 
tornado came through one afternoon, removed the roof of a nearby RVN 
chow hall, and scrambled the quad which, post tornado, was a vertical 
CobWebb with some extra spreaders hanging loosely.  And, it began 
working very well.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 1/4/2021 5:30 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:

There was indeed a Loudenboomer made by a Brit back in the 60s / 70s and I 
think it was G3TPW Steve Webb who moved on to make the Cobwebb antenna.

David G3UNA



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter Cable Connections

[Rick NK7I]

My bad, I didn't think it through enough.  Joe is right.

Rick NK7I


On 1/4/2021 1:10 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The 
installation shares the RS232 connection with a Microham USB 
interface III for digital operation.  I used a Y cable to connect 
both of these units simultaneously.

That is the *WRONG WAY* to connect a K3, P3 and Computer.

Connect the RS-232 plug from microHAM USB III to the "PC" jack
on the P3.  Connect the XCVR jack on the P3 to the RS232 jack
on the K3.  Set the K3 RS232 RATE to 38,400 and set the CAT
Rate in your logging software to 38,400 as well.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-01-04 3:28 PM, MICHAEL SMITH wrote:

Gentlemen:

I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The 
installation shares the RS232 connection with a Microham USB 
interface III for digital operation.  I used a Y cable to connect 
both of these units simultaneously.


I find I cannot run both at the same time.  If I do, the P3 does not 
display the frequency at the top of the screen, and does not display 
the band-pass of the VFO A.  Each unit will run separately with full 
function.


Has anyone else experienced this interaction?  Were you able to 
adjust the connection to allow full function of both units?  How did 
you do it?


73, Mike Smith
K0CCM


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter Cable Connections

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The 
installation shares the RS232 connection with a Microham USB 
interface III for digital operation.  I used a Y cable to connect 
both of these units simultaneously.

That is the *WRONG WAY* to connect a K3, P3 and Computer.

Connect the RS-232 plug from microHAM USB III to the "PC" jack
on the P3.  Connect the XCVR jack on the P3 to the RS232 jack
on the K3.  Set the K3 RS232 RATE to 38,400 and set the CAT
Rate in your logging software to 38,400 as well.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-01-04 3:28 PM, MICHAEL SMITH wrote:

Gentlemen:

I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The installation shares 
the RS232 connection with a Microham USB interface III for digital operation.  
I used a Y cable to connect both of these units simultaneously.

I find I cannot run both at the same time.  If I do, the P3 does not display 
the frequency at the top of the screen, and does not display the band-pass of 
the VFO A.  Each unit will run separately with full function.

Has anyone else experienced this interaction?  Were you able to adjust the 
connection to allow full function of both units?  How did you do it?

73, Mike Smith
K0CCM


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter Cable Connections

[Rick NK7I]

While I don't have the Microham, the Y should be first in the series 
(listen only port to the Microham); to the P3, then the cable from the 
P3 to the K3 so they can 'chat'.  (That is the same as I do for my 
SteppIR controller.)


HNY,
Rick NK7I


On 1/4/2021 12:28 PM, MICHAEL SMITH wrote:

Gentlemen:

I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The installation shares 
the RS232 connection with a Microham USB interface III for digital operation.  
I used a Y cable to connect both of these units simultaneously.

I find I cannot run both at the same time.  If I do, the P3 does not display 
the frequency at the top of the screen, and does not display the band-pass of 
the VFO A.  Each unit will run separately with full function.

Has anyone else experienced this interaction?  Were you able to adjust the 
connection to allow full function of both units?  How did you do it?

73, Mike Smith
K0CCM
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Re: [Elecraft] Arc Fault Detector Woes

[Tom Doligalski via Elecraft]

Should have mentioned that there up is no trouble at 25 watts. 

Certainly no trouble at 100 watts back at Field Day. 

Sent from my iPad 

> On Jan 4, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Tom Doligalski  wrote:
> 
> Over the last several weeks I’ve been having problems with the arc fault 
> detector (AFCI) in my fusebox.This does not control the power to the shack, 
> but to our garage door operners.
> 
> It seemed random at first, but I think I’ve tracked it down a bit.
> 
> Running an Elecraft K3/KPA500/KAT500 combo. The AFCI ONLY trips when on 80 
> CW, running 100 watts (the KPA500 in standby bode). If the KPA500 is ON 
> (running 500 watts) there is no problem.
> 
> Seems fine on other bands….
> 
> 80M antenna is a Carolina Windom. The usual baluns/line isolator/grounding 
> stuff.
> 
> Any ides?
> 
> Kinda worried that there is an issue with the 100 W amp in the K3.
> 
> 73. 
> 
> Tom W4KX
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[Elecraft] Arc Fault Detector Woes

[Tom Doligalski via Elecraft]

Over the last several weeks I’ve been having problems with the arc fault 
detector (AFCI) in my fusebox.This does not control the power to the shack, but 
to our garage door operners.

It seemed random at first, but I think I’ve tracked it down a bit.

Running an Elecraft K3/KPA500/KAT500 combo. The AFCI ONLY trips when on 80 CW, 
running 100 watts (the KPA500 in standby bode). If the KPA500 is ON (running 
500 watts) there is no problem.

Seems fine on other bands….

80M antenna is a Carolina Windom. The usual baluns/line isolator/grounding 
stuff.

Any ides?

Kinda worried that there is an issue with the 100 W amp in the K3.

73. 

Tom W4KX
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[Elecraft] P3 Panadapter Cable Connections

[MICHAEL SMITH]

Gentlemen:

I recently purchased a P3 and connected it to my K3.  The installation shares 
the RS232 connection with a Microham USB interface III for digital operation.  
I used a Y cable to connect both of these units simultaneously.

I find I cannot run both at the same time.  If I do, the P3 does not display 
the frequency at the top of the screen, and does not display the band-pass of 
the VFO A.  Each unit will run separately with full function.

Has anyone else experienced this interaction?  Were you able to adjust the 
connection to allow full function of both units?  How did you do it?

73, Mike Smith
K0CCM
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[Elecraft] Nifty Manuals

[Mick Hall via Elecraft]

These are still available new in the UK at Elecraft K2 Plus Options Nifty Mini 
Manual

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Elecraft K2 Plus Options Nifty Mini Manual

Compact K2 Mini-manual. Size, 5 x 7.5 inches. Twenty-four high-quality 
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73 Mick 2E0MMH


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 audio output question

[Geert Jan de Groot]

On 04/01/2021 04:13, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:

Is there a way to have both headphones and external speaker active at the
same time?  I'm thinking of being able to have audio for visitors while
still using headphones to copy.


In addition to Don's response, you may want to look at this:
https://www.w8fgu.com/pics/k2faob/w3fpr_K2%20audio%20Fix.pdf
http://www.w3fpr.com/download_files/FP-CB%20mounting%20photos.pdf

I have done this, using a piece of perfboard.
To avoid shorts, in my case the PCB is in a piece of heat shrink tube.

If you want a kit, check out https://www.w8fgu.com/k2_fixedaudio.html

Instead of perfboarding it, I should have bought a kit from Dave, but 
sending a parcel by mail to PA0 would need me to mortgage my house, not 
to mention a lot of patience (another PCB ordered recently was stuck for 
*nine months* in Chicago).


The advantage is that the 2nd output is fixed audio volume, so you can 
adjust the speaker audio and the headset audio separately.


In my case (connecting multiple headsets on the speaker output) this 
approach has another advantage: I added audio sidetone to my K2 so that 
the people using headphones can hear eachother speak, yet the 
fixed-audio output doesn't have this, so there is no feedback from the 
speaker.


When you use a speaker, make sure you use one that works well for SSB 
audio. For visitors, I would consider making some headsets available 
instead. SSB-via-speaker is more difficult to decode, SSB-via-speaker 
for people without SSB ears will just result in "there was a guy playing 
radio noise" at the exhibition.


73,

Geert Jan PE1HZG



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Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

[Dave Cole]

Say it isn't so...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 1/4/21 8:27 AM, Clay Autery wrote:

we MIGHT just streamline the reflector traffic a bit.

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Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

[Joseph Shuman via Elecraft]

OK
NZ8P
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Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

[Clay Autery]

Having spent the last 25 years administering,  owning, running, etc, 
etc, ad nauseum both forums (from uBBS 1.0, vBBS, et al), and supporting 
clients with forums, email reflectors, et al. I have to disagree with you.


As much as I 1) LOVE forums, and 2) loathe every additional email I 
don't want/need, for amateur radio related subjects, like Elecraft (I'm 
in this one and 4 other related on two platforms), I do not think a 
forum is the way to go.
I'm busy, and I don't even GO to most of the forums I spent years on 
anymore because well, I am busy.  The "push" nature of a reflector 
allows me to review quickly and stay right up to date on all the subject 
areas I am interested in.


Now, that is NOT to say the "reflector" idea cannot be improved upon.
I PREFER Groups.io, which is kind of a hybrid of sorts.  If you want, 
it's JUST a reflector.  BUT, it ALSO provides a searchable database, and 
a LOT of other tools for use when you need to research historical 
threads and posts.


Now, I know lots of folks resist change and Groups.io is a change.  But 
it works "better" for a wider range of folks, and IMO is much easier to 
administer.


Finally, IF we are not to move to Groups.io, then I would like to see us 
return to the basic "rules" we USED to observe before


1) Only quote what is absolutely necessary to keep thread continuity.
2) Strip away everything from the "" and down.
3) Observing the quiet death of threads when they drift and/or 
sufficiently beat the horse to death.


In the past, Eric was the arbiter of the "rules".  That is a TERRIBLE 
use of his time.  Perhaps if we could hammer out some rules that Wayne 
and Eric would "sign-off" upon, and then find a couple of Reflector 
moderators from among the more experienced, level-headed, and 
thick-skinned, et al. of us to fulfill the lion's share of the admin 
duties (with Eric and Wayne ONLY managing by exception), we MIGHT just 
streamline the reflector traffic a bit.


That's my 2/100ths of a fiat currency "dollar".  And worth both 
pennies.  


73 and God Bless and Keep every single one of you!

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On 01/04/21 07:09, Barry wrote:

Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out
emails to everyone.

Barry W2UP



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Re: [Elecraft] [K3]

[Tom Doligalski via Elecraft]

Seems to work fine for me!

Tom W4KX

From: David Windisch
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 10:41 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3]

Hi, all concerned:

Anyone know whether the demise of adobe FLASH has rendered the ELECRAFT
memory editor inoperative?

Brgds and a blessed New Year to all and sundry.

Dave, N3HE



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 update path?

[Don Wilhelm]

The K60XV option is currently not available because the trimmer caps 
required have been discontinued.  There is some effort being put into 
substituting SMD trimmers, but that is not complete.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/4/2021 9:02 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote:

I was marginally aware of some of the updates, but what spurred my interest was stumbling upon an Elecraft page for the K60XV option which listed a number of prerequisites 

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Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 2021-01-04 8:38 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote:

That would def be my preference.  20 years ago, everything was 
reflectors, but Elecraft is the only one I'm dealing with now.  Much 
of the traffic is not really relevant to me and a well structured 
forum would make it much quicker and easier for the user to sort 
through, and easier to contribute to.


A competent e-mail program like Thunderbird or Outlook will take care
of all those issues, provide the advantages of a "forum", allow the
user to download the messages in bulk then work (read/respond) offline
(e.g. on an airplane, in areas where WiFi/LTE/5G are not available)
and upload responses in bulk when connectivity is available.

Competent e-mail software does wonders to maximize signal to noise
ratio - even with a "forum" - although it can't eliminate the
"Sent to all" generated flame wars that are unfortunately more common
with forum based groups than properly configured e-mail lists.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-01-04 8:38 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote:

  >>> Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out
emails to everyone. Barry W2UP<<<
That would def be my preference.  20 years ago, everything was reflectors, but 
Elecraft is the only one I'm dealing with now.  Much of the traffic is not 
really relevant to me and a well structured forum would make it much quicker 
and easier for the user to sort through, and easier to contribute to.
I had been out of the loop for quite a few years and now getting back into it, 
dusting off my K1 and K2,  and looking at new rigs, I was disappointed to find 
Elecraft still using a reflector.
For me, Elecraft having a forum would "reflect" possessively on the company.
Lou W7HV
 On Monday, January 4, 2021, 6:13:06 AM MST, Barry  wrote:
  
  Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out

emails to everyone.

Barry W2UP



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Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

[Phil Kane]

On 1/4/2021 4:11 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:

I have never used Thunderbird, but it sounds like what I am doing 
with Outlook.  I have it set up with Folders and in some cases, 
Sub-folders, where everything goes as per established sort rules.


In addition, because I have so many folders, I have a "Favorites" 
section of the display where I can see certain folders in addition

to in their proper location in the main list.

Does Thunderbird do something special? I could use some email magic.


Yes, T-Bird does all that and more.  It is far more stable and secure, 
and includes provisions for Dual-Key Encryption in current versions. It 
even has a routine to transfer your file structure and address book from 
Outlook into T-Bird "hands-free".  Totally customizable.   I've been 
using it ever since I switched from IBM OS/2 to Windows almost 15 years 
ago.


73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

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[Elecraft] [K3] FT4/8 Transmit Problem

[john]

Had a transmit problem with both FT4 and FT8 this weekend during the 
RTTY RU contest. The data would transmit for a couple seconds (heard it 
in the monitor, and saw output power), then the data stops. The K3 stays 
in transmit (Red TX light) for the whole TX period, so I think the PTT 
configuration is working. I was using it in conjunction with N1MM, but 
closed N1MM and used WSJTx standalone, and had the same problem. 
Appreciate any ideas.

  - 73, John, N0TA

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[Elecraft] SSB Net 1-3-2020

[Eric Lanzl]

Here is the list of stations for the Sunday Elecraft Net. Thanks again to the 
relay stations. 
Elecraft nets:
20m net 1800Z Sundays 14.303.5 Alternate frequency is 14.310 or nearby30 m net 
1900Z Sundays  7.280 
Zoom meeting 2000Z Sundays link via K8NU80m net 0100Z Sundays 3.817
Eric WB9JNX

Call   Name   State    Radio  Serial #  
  QRP Notes

WB9JNZ  Eric  IL    K3   4017   
  NetControl

NC0JW    Jim   CO   KX3    1356 
    

N9SRA    Steve   IL    Icom    7600 
    

K7BRR    Bill  AZ   Yaesu  FTDX 101MP   
   

KO5V  Jim   NM  K2/100    7225  
   RelayStation

N4NRW   Roger  SC   K3   1318   
  RelayStation

NS7P    Phil  OR   K3   1826
     RelayStation

ZL1PWD Peter    NZ   K3   139   
    

K1NW  Brian   RI    K3   4974   
  

N0MPM   Mike    IA    K3S 10514 
  

W9EJB Ken IN    K3   1593   
  

WM6P  Steve   GA  K3S 11453 
  RelayStation

K8NU  Carl OH  K3S 10996
   

W4DML   Doug   TN   K3   6433   
  

KB7FD    Buzz    OR   K3S 11568 
  

KB9AVO Paul IN    K3S 11103 
  

AB7CE    Roy MT   K2/100    40  
   
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Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

[Carl]

I look at my messages here

https://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/

and it is easy to skip subjects I don't want to read. It can also be 
sorted by subject or thread. Works for me! I also use Thunderbird, and 
agree it is great.



Carl

AB1DD


On 1/4/2021 9:06 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote:

  >>> "life changes" ... Bill NY9H<<<
Yep.  I would posit that's why forums predominate now.  It puts the burden on 
the host, not the user and customer.


 On Monday, January 4, 2021, 6:53:03 AM MST, Bill Steffey NY9H 
 wrote:
  
  thunderbird...


I made the change to Thunderbird years ago. I hesitated a few years , as
I remember there was some feature of Eudora that I had to give up
relating to the folders and sorting ...

life changes ...

HNY



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Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

[Louandzip via Elecraft]

 >>> "life changes" ... Bill NY9H<<<
Yep.  I would posit that's why forums predominate now.  It puts the burden on 
the host, not the user and customer. 


On Monday, January 4, 2021, 6:53:03 AM MST, Bill Steffey NY9H 
 wrote:  
 
 thunderbird...

I made the change to Thunderbird years ago. I hesitated a few years , as 
I remember there was some feature of Eudora that I had to give up 
relating to the folders and sorting ...

life changes ...

HNY


On 1/4/2021 2:02 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> I too use Thunderbird, and it is wonderful.  I look at 40 or so lists, 
> each has a folder, and Thunderbird has filters, so they all go 
> directly into their respective folders.
>

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 update path?

[Louandzip via Elecraft]

 
Hey guys, thanks for all the pointers.  Joe 4X1RV emailed me a link to a guide 
to K2 updates compiled by LA3ZA that seems to be pretty comprehensive.  Looks 
like I have some research and studying to do.
https://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html
I was marginally aware of some of the updates, but what spurred my interest was 
stumbling upon an Elecraft page for the K60XV option which listed a number of 
prerequisites I don't have and wasn't aware of.  The page doesn't look current 
(second bullet says no CW on 60m) and I haven't found the option as being 
available on the website.  I'm not greatly interested in 60m with my K2...is 
was just one of those rabbit holes I stumbled into. 

https://elecraft.com/pages/k60xv-upgrade-information
https://ftp.elecraft.com/K2/Manuals%20Downloads/E740069%20K60XV%20man%20rev%20B.pdf
Anyway, my K2 is working FB for my purposes so is not in desperate need of 
fixes or improvements.  It's just something I'm looking at.   I mean, who 
doesn't want to make their K2 the best it can be?
TNX Lou W7HV
On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 8:46:54 PM MST, Douglas Hagerman via Elecraft 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Lou.

The dates of the updates are on the documentation on the Elecraft website. But 
as Don mentioned, the AtoB kit is the best guide. I will tell you from recent 
experience (still in progress) that if you try to install the updates in time 
sequential order, it will get confusing. There are several places where the 
updates overlap or contradict each other.

Doug, W0UHU.

> 
> On 1/3/2021 12:25 PM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote:
>> Hey,?? I'm looking for a chronological list of K2 updates if such a thing 
>> exists.? A long while ago I remember somebody having compiled one.? I built 
>> my K2 and KPA100 ~20 years ago.? Early on, I kept it up to date.? I'd like 
>> to figure out what updates I don't have and which I might want to make...and 
>> what the availability is from Elecraft.
>> 
> 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

[Bill Steffey NY9H]

thunderbird...

I made the change to Thunderbird years ago. I hesitated a few years , as 
I remember there was some feature of Eudora that I had to give up 
relating to the folders and sorting ...


life changes ...

HNY


On 1/4/2021 2:02 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
I too use Thunderbird, and it is wonderful.  I look at 40 or so lists, 
each has a folder, and Thunderbird has filters, so they all go 
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Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

[len]

Hi George,

As many others suggest use your email program to filter messages
into folders.

I do that using Outlook, but I also do not read the list from the
emails.  I only use the messages from my email when I want to reply.  I pull
up the Web archive and read the list from there.  It makes it faster, at
least for me.

I've never felt compelled to read messages with subject lines that
are not of interest to me.  Your brain is the best filter.

YMMV

Len


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To: elecraft@mailman.QTH.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Long messages

Guys, really! Mile long messages on this reflector kill all the fun.  Please
manage your air time in respect of others.

73, George K5KG 

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Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

[Louandzip via Elecraft]

 >>> Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out
emails to everyone. Barry W2UP<<<
That would def be my preference.  20 years ago, everything was reflectors, but 
Elecraft is the only one I'm dealing with now.  Much of the traffic is not 
really relevant to me and a well structured forum would make it much quicker 
and easier for the user to sort through, and easier to contribute to.
I had been out of the loop for quite a few years and now getting back into it, 
dusting off my K1 and K2,  and looking at new rigs, I was disappointed to find 
Elecraft still using a reflector. 
For me, Elecraft having a forum would "reflect" possessively on the company. 
Lou W7HV
On Monday, January 4, 2021, 6:13:06 AM MST, Barry  wrote: 
 
 
 Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out
emails to everyone.

Barry W2UP



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Re: [Elecraft] Reaching across the chronological divide

[CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft]

There was indeed a Loudenboomer made by a Brit back in the 60s / 70s and I 
think it was G3TPW Steve Webb who moved on to make the Cobwebb antenna. 

David G3UNA

> On 04 January 2021 at 13:14 Louandzip via Elecraft  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>  "Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." ?
> On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 8:13:49 PM MST, Hank via Elecraft 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  Is there a Loudenboomer III???  I must go buy it - I only have a 
> Loundenboomer II!
> 
> > On Jan 3, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:
> > 
> > Maxwell assured us that, if you get RF current to flow in a conductor that 
> > isn't buried deeply, it will radiate. The the direction(s) of that 
> > radiation may not be where you wish, but it will radiate.  This weakend, I 
> > made 127 QSO's in the ARRL RTTY Round-Up on 15, 20, 40, and 80 with 100W 
> > [K3] to a HOA-stealthy WOOF antenna [Wire On Organic Fence: 41 m, end-fed, 
> > 1.8 m AGL].
> > 
> > I have noticed since the days when you built your TX from parts scarfed 
> > from old TV sets:
> > 
> > 1.  Newer hams seem to believe that there is one "perfect" way to build an 
> > antenna or use your radios and anything else will fail;
> > 
> > 2.  Newer hams, and some of the older ones, like to connect every possible 
> > accessory and every possible computer/software product to their radios;
> > 
> > 3.  And when that doesn't work, the first question to the email list 
> > members is, "My Loudenboomer III won't key.  Any ideas what's wrong?"  
> > Somehow, the art of isolating the pieces, such as, "disconnect the 
> > keyer/computer/software and plug in a hand key -- or short the key line -- 
> > does it key now?" has been lost in a sea of technology no one understands.
> > 
> > If the best of forecasts for Cycle 25 materialize, you will be able to 
> > repeat the late 50's/early 60's and work the world on 10 m 24/7 with 15 W 
> > to the window screen.  Happy New Year to all, activate safely.
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
> > Washoe County
> > 
> >> On 1/3/2021 2:39 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> >> I simply like the challenge of making contacts with antennas, in the 
> >> opinion of the more learned, “that won’t work.”  I have been told to “Read 
> >> the antenna book” because my experiments are “illogical.”  I guess I have 
> >> to delete the contact I made using a chicken wire antenna?  Let’s all 
> >> remember that Maxwell, Marconi, Hertz, Popov, Bose, Hughes and Fr. Roberto 
> >> Landell de Moura did not have the internet or the Antenna Book.  They had 
> >> each other.
> >> 
> >> Joe Shuman, NZ8P
> >> 
> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] Reaching across the chronological divide

[Louandzip via Elecraft]

 "Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." ?
On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 8:13:49 PM MST, Hank via Elecraft 
 wrote:  
 
 Is there a Loudenboomer III???  I must go buy it - I only have a Loundenboomer 
II!

> On Jan 3, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:
> 
> Maxwell assured us that, if you get RF current to flow in a conductor that 
> isn't buried deeply, it will radiate. The the direction(s) of that radiation 
> may not be where you wish, but it will radiate.  This weakend, I made 127 
> QSO's in the ARRL RTTY Round-Up on 15, 20, 40, and 80 with 100W [K3] to a 
> HOA-stealthy WOOF antenna [Wire On Organic Fence: 41 m, end-fed, 1.8 m AGL].
> 
> I have noticed since the days when you built your TX from parts scarfed from 
> old TV sets:
> 
> 1.  Newer hams seem to believe that there is one "perfect" way to build an 
> antenna or use your radios and anything else will fail;
> 
> 2.  Newer hams, and some of the older ones, like to connect every possible 
> accessory and every possible computer/software product to their radios;
> 
> 3.  And when that doesn't work, the first question to the email list members 
> is, "My Loudenboomer III won't key.  Any ideas what's wrong?"  Somehow, the 
> art of isolating the pieces, such as, "disconnect the keyer/computer/software 
> and plug in a hand key -- or short the key line -- does it key now?" has been 
> lost in a sea of technology no one understands.
> 
> If the best of forecasts for Cycle 25 materialize, you will be able to repeat 
> the late 50's/early 60's and work the world on 10 m 24/7 with 15 W to the 
> window screen.  Happy New Year to all, activate safely.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 1/3/2021 2:39 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>> I simply like the challenge of making contacts with antennas, in the opinion 
>> of the more learned, “that won’t work.”  I have been told to “Read the 
>> antenna book” because my experiments are “illogical.”  I guess I have to 
>> delete the contact I made using a chicken wire antenna?  Let’s all remember 
>> that Maxwell, Marconi, Hertz, Popov, Bose, Hughes and Fr. Roberto Landell de 
>> Moura did not have the internet or the Antenna Book.  They had each other.
>> 
>> Joe Shuman, NZ8P
>> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

[Barry]

Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out
emails to everyone.

Barry W2UP



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Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

[Dave Cole]

Hi Lyn.

You will have to read the manual to find out what T-Bird does...  It is 
extensive, and to go into that here would take far too long.


73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 1/4/21 4:11 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:

Dave -

I get 200 - 300 emails a day.  Business, financial, ham radio, personal, etc.

I have never used Thunderbird, but it sounds like what I am doing with Outlook. 
 I have it set up with Folders and in some cases, Sub-folders, where everything 
goes as per established sort rules.

In addition, because I have so many folders, I have a "Favorites" section of 
the display where I can see certain folders in addition to in their proper location in 
the main list.

Does Thunderbird do something special? I could use some email magic.

73
Lyn, W0LEN

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 1:02 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

I too use Thunderbird, and it is wonderful.  I look at 40 or so lists,
each has a folder, and Thunderbird has filters, so they all go directly
into their respective folders.

Free, and far better than anything out there...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 1/3/21 10:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 1/3/2021 10:00 PM, w...@w2xj.net wrote:

Well we will never know what you’re talking about without quoted context.


If you use a decent email program, it's usually possible to include just
enough of the post you're commenting on to provide context. And email
reflectors are FAR easier to deal with if you use such software that
allows you to download your messages and automatically sorts them into
mailboxes, one for each reflector, and a few others for special projects
that you might be working on with someone.

I read more than 2 dozen reflectors, some busy, some not. Many years
ago, I tried the digest for a vacation of a week or two and I hated it.
There was no way to delete anything! The free software I use is
Thunderbird.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

[Lyn Norstad]

Dave -

I get 200 - 300 emails a day.  Business, financial, ham radio, personal, etc.

I have never used Thunderbird, but it sounds like what I am doing with Outlook. 
 I have it set up with Folders and in some cases, Sub-folders, where everything 
goes as per established sort rules.

In addition, because I have so many folders, I have a "Favorites" section of 
the display where I can see certain folders in addition to in their proper 
location in the main list.

Does Thunderbird do something special? I could use some email magic.

73
Lyn, W0LEN

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 1:02 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

I too use Thunderbird, and it is wonderful.  I look at 40 or so lists, 
each has a folder, and Thunderbird has filters, so they all go directly 
into their respective folders.

Free, and far better than anything out there...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 1/3/21 10:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 1/3/2021 10:00 PM, w...@w2xj.net wrote:
>> Well we will never know what you’re talking about without quoted context.
> 
> If you use a decent email program, it's usually possible to include just 
> enough of the post you're commenting on to provide context. And email 
> reflectors are FAR easier to deal with if you use such software that 
> allows you to download your messages and automatically sorts them into 
> mailboxes, one for each reflector, and a few others for special projects 
> that you might be working on with someone.
> 
> I read more than 2 dozen reflectors, some busy, some not. Many years 
> ago, I tried the digest for a vacation of a week or two and I hated it. 
> There was no way to delete anything! The free software I use is 
> Thunderbird.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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