Re: [Elecraft] Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar

[Phil Kane]

On 10/20/2021 5:19 PM, Steve Stutman wrote:


Write a certified letter, return receipt requested, to the CEO or president
of the involved entity and cc: via the same method to head of your Public
Utilities Commission, or whatever you have in 6, as suggested by Ken.


Eric --

Before you do that, call their Customer Service desk and say - word for 
word in a gentle tone - "Please tell me the name and address of your 
Registered Agent for Service of Process".  When they finally understand 
what you are asking, that usually strikes fear into any corporate entity 
that they may face litigation, and then they start to listen to you.


As a communications attorney I have had to use that tactic for several 
clients with success.  I would have loved to jump in to support you on 
this case but I am on medical leave as  several folks here know fighting 
serious cancer.  I can still answer questions as needed and as my health 
situation allows.


73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
ARRL Volunteer Counsel

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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Fred]

Circa 1958:  Neighbor and TV Repairman came to my parent's door ... 
"Your son's ham radio is interfering with my TV.  Dad: "Our son has been 
away at college for 2 years and his radio equipment is packed up in the 
closet."  Long pause ... then TV guy, "Well his wire antenna is still up 
there and it's between my customer and Mt. Wilson, and it's sucking all 
the signal out of the air."  Dad: "I'll ask him to take it down next 
time he comes home."  That didn't happen 'til maybe another year, I had 
a full time job at the local TV station at college and didn't get home 
very often.  I did finally take it down, neighbor's TV still didn't work 
well, and he still blamed me.

--
73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Kris Mraz wrote on 10/20/2021 6:23 PM:

When I put my tower up 25 yrs ago my next door neighbor complained of 
interference. I went over to his house to watch for TVI while a ham friend was 
at my house keying the transmitter. Suddenly a window started vibrating causing 
a buzzing sound. He said “See, SEE!”. Just then his wife calls out from another 
room “Honey, it’s just the dryer”.

Never had another complaint after that. 

Kris N5KM




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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Kris Mraz]

When I put my tower up 25 yrs ago my next door neighbor complained of 
interference. I went over to his house to watch for TVI while a ham friend was 
at my house keying the transmitter. Suddenly a window started vibrating causing 
a buzzing sound. He said “See, SEE!”. Just then his wife calls out from another 
room “Honey, it’s just the dryer”.

Never had another complaint after that. 

Kris N5KM


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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Wayne Burdick]

Is it true that, at a certain power level (left as an exercise for the reader), 
one can cauterize pesky coax nodes?

Wayne

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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[AB2E Darrell]

Eric,
I'm skeptical. Did you receive anything in writing or see a letter from Comcast 
stating this?
It sounds more like the Comcast tech taking it on himself to say you are being 
banned.
I would call their customer service and check the status of your account, get 
something in writing if it's true, then contact your state authority that 
regulates telecoms, and file a complaint.
I've never heard of anyone being banned as a customer by Comcast.

73 Darrell AB2E






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behalf of Kevin Cozens 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 3:54 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

On 2021-10-20 2:21 p.m., eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur
> radio activities had caused wide area outages.[snip]
> They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem

Anyone telling you the mere presence of an antenna is the source of problem
is someone who has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Ask them for a list of the dates, times, and durations of some of the area
wide outages and compare that information against your log book to see if
there is any correlation.

It is very likely there are other hams in your area. It could be someone
else causing the problem who may not be an Xfinity customer. If any ham
radio, or other radio transmissions, are causing their systems problems it
shows they haven't properly protected their equipment from stray RF and/or
they have a problem with an installation somewhere.

--
Cheers!

Kevin.

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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Michael Walker]

I guess hooking up the KPA500 right to your Xfinity Coax and doing
automated FT8 on 20M would not be the best thing to do.  :)

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

And, seriously, if it was me, I would head to the main local office if you
can. find the manager or owner and request him to show the data that proves
what is going on.  Don't be afraid to ask him if he is guessing or does he
have empirical evidence.  Take some technical help with you if you need it
and be professional.

I would also say, you have no proof as my internet works fine even when I
transmit.  Come over and watch for yourself.

Also, is the lack of internet affecting your health and safety?  Ask them
if they wish to take the liability for that.  Are there other ways you can
go on the offensive?

Best of luck, Mike va3mw


On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 7:56 PM Gary K9GS  wrote:

> Hi Eric,Xfinity is a closed system.  If your amateur radio operations are
> causing problems it is their problem to fix.That said, a non ham friend
> back in WI has been having recurring outages on his Spectrum system.
> Technicians have been out to his house several times and they acknowledge
> that there is a problem in his subdivision.  Spectrum has documentation of
> the outages.The last visit by Spectrum the technician said that the problem
> was probably caused by a ham in the neighborhood.   As far as I know there
> are no hams near him.  The problem is that Spectrum doesn’t want to spend
> the time or the resources to fix the problem. It's just easier to blame the
> neighborhood ham.I explained this to my friend and he recently was told
> that Spectrum was going to replace the trunk lines and distribution amps in
> the subdivision.  No committment on a date yet.73,Gary K9GS
>  Original message From: eric norris via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Date: 10/20/21  2:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To:
> Elecraft Reflector  Subject: [Elecraft] HELP!
> XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Dear Gang:Xfinity, our
> internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL
> that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had
> caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did not include
> my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any
> power--were the problemThe last time I was threatened, I installed chokes
> and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told
> they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only
> using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical
> guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.Any
> Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications
> lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd
> appreciate any help.  My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.
> Being off the air is unimaginable.Frantic,73, Eric WD6DBM
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[Elecraft] Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar

[Steve Stutman]

Hi,

When needing to get a result from anything publicly regulated, consider
using something other than the interwebs or 800 number.

K6MR points in the right direction.

Specifically:

Write a certified letter, return receipt requested, to the CEO or president
of the involved entity and cc: via the same method to head of your Public
Utilities Commission, or whatever you have in 6, as suggested by Ken.

State your case and surrounding events clearly, much as you have done here
on the list.

Point out that you are a licensed operator of a Federally licensed radio
station.

It may say Amateur, but it is still Federally regulated and you have rights.

You might state your degree of willingness to work with them to solve their
problems at no cost; I know of a couple of instances in which people were
intimidated and apologetically bent over backwards twice and of one case in
which the op told them to pound sand and threatened to identify their
technical incompetence to the media.

First two people got some results over the course of weeks, the third
person got action in two hours.

One presumes that there is some technical competence somewhere in the
company, but obviously not so with the representatives coming to your door.

If, in fact, your station is causing any issues, the most likely cause is
that they are using poorly designed, offshore manufactured equipment.

The various type acceptances on a lot of gear are printed on a label, but
not measured in a lab; hard to imagine.


When I get on 20m here my "smoke and monoxide" detectors sound off. One of
these days I'll run more than 100W, but one presumes it's just RF getting
into poorly shielded gear.

FWIW, these same detectors occasionally spontaneously sound off every year
or two at O dark.

Company has replaced six detectors three times; I wonder why?


Over the years I have sent certified letters to utilities to deal with
issues in a professional capacity as well as personally, i.e. stuff at the
house.

In most cases it will get you engaged with someone who is both
knowledgeable and in authority.

Certainly not someone who blames "an antenna" for second rate gear in a
poorly designed system.

Hope that you are able to get a good response and get your 'net back.

73,

Steve

KL7JT/1
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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Gary K9GS]

I would also suggest posting this on the RFI reflector.73,Gary K9GS
 Original message From: Gary K9GS  Date: 
10/20/21  7:55 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: eric norris , 
Elecraft Reflector  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! 
XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Hi Eric,Xfinity is a closed 
system.  If your amateur radio operations are causing problems it is their 
problem to fix.That said, a non ham friend back in WI has been having recurring 
outages on his Spectrum system.  Technicians have been out to his house several 
times and they acknowledge that there is a problem in his subdivision.  
Spectrum has documentation of the outages.The last visit by Spectrum the 
technician said that the problem was probably caused by a ham in the 
neighborhood.   As far as I know there are no hams near him.  The problem is 
that Spectrum doesn’t want to spend the time or the resources to fix the 
problem. It's just easier to blame the neighborhood ham.I explained this to my 
friend and he recently was told that Spectrum was going to replace the trunk 
lines and distribution amps in the subdivision.  No committment on a date 
yet.73,Gary K9GS Original message From: eric norris via 
Elecraft  Date: 10/20/21  2:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
Elecraft Reflector  Subject: [Elecraft] HELP!  
XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Dear Gang:Xfinity, our internet 
provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were 
being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area 
outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.  They 
told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problemThe last 
time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded 
ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, 
I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked 
to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never 
called back.Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a 
communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific 
time--I'd appreciate any help.  My XYL depends on an internet connection to 
work.  Being off the air is unimaginable.Frantic,73, Eric WD6DBM 
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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Gary K9GS]

Hi Eric,Xfinity is a closed system.  If your amateur radio operations are 
causing problems it is their problem to fix.That said, a non ham friend back in 
WI has been having recurring outages on his Spectrum system.  Technicians have 
been out to his house several times and they acknowledge that there is a 
problem in his subdivision.  Spectrum has documentation of the outages.The last 
visit by Spectrum the technician said that the problem was probably caused by a 
ham in the neighborhood.   As far as I know there are no hams near him.  The 
problem is that Spectrum doesn’t want to spend the time or the resources to fix 
the problem. It's just easier to blame the neighborhood ham.I explained this to 
my friend and he recently was told that Spectrum was going to replace the trunk 
lines and distribution amps in the subdivision.  No committment on a date 
yet.73,Gary K9GS
 Original message From: eric norris via Elecraft 
 Date: 10/20/21  2:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft 
Reflector  Subject: [Elecraft] HELP!  XFINITY SHUT 
OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Dear Gang:Xfinity, our internet provider, 
showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut 
off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.  
Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.  They told her the 
antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problemThe last time I was 
threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet 
lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have 
stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked to speak 
to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called 
back.Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a 
communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific 
time--I'd appreciate any help.  My XYL depends on an internet connection to 
work.  Being off the air is unimaginable.Frantic,73, Eric WD6DBM 
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Re: [Elecraft] Powering KX3 from Bioenno charger with battery in between

[Greg Mitchell]

Yes that does work.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 18:33 Julia Tuttle  wrote:

> The charger I have doesn't seem to exhibit that behavior, but I can see how
> others might -- it would look to the charger as if the battery magically
> jumped backwards in state of charge.
>
> Can I trust something like the Epic PWRgate to handle simultaneously
> charging the battery and running the radio from the same power supply? It
> claims to handle juggling a power supply, battery, solar cell, and load.
>
> 73,
>
> Julie
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 17:53 Howard Hoyt  wrote:
>
> > The charger needs to see the quiescent current draw of the battery as it
> > is following it's constant current and constant voltage charge curve.
> >
> > Having designed Li chargers I can tell you that if deviation from
> > expected current in the CV part of the charge curve will cause the
> > charger logic to error out and abort charging with many charge ICs.  It
> > is best to disconnect the battery from any loads when charging.
> >
> > Cheers & 73,
> > Howie / WA4PSC
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Re: [Elecraft] Powering KX3 from Bioenno charger with battery in between

[Julia Tuttle]

The charger I have doesn't seem to exhibit that behavior, but I can see how
others might -- it would look to the charger as if the battery magically
jumped backwards in state of charge.

Can I trust something like the Epic PWRgate to handle simultaneously
charging the battery and running the radio from the same power supply? It
claims to handle juggling a power supply, battery, solar cell, and load.

73,

Julie

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 17:53 Howard Hoyt  wrote:

> The charger needs to see the quiescent current draw of the battery as it
> is following it's constant current and constant voltage charge curve.
>
> Having designed Li chargers I can tell you that if deviation from
> expected current in the CV part of the charge curve will cause the
> charger logic to error out and abort charging with many charge ICs.  It
> is best to disconnect the battery from any loads when charging.
>
> Cheers & 73,
> Howie / WA4PSC
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[Elecraft] 40 meter SSB net 10-17, 7.280

[Steve Hall]

Elecraft SSB nets each Sunday:
1800Z 14.303.5
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THANKS TO MY RELAY STATIONS

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Re: [Elecraft] Powering KX3 from Bioenno charger with battery in between

[Howard Hoyt]

The charger needs to see the quiescent current draw of the battery as it 
is following it's constant current and constant voltage charge curve.


Having designed Li chargers I can tell you that if deviation from 
expected current in the CV part of the charge curve will cause the 
charger logic to error out and abort charging with many charge ICs.  It 
is best to disconnect the battery from any loads when charging.


Cheers & 73,
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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[barry halterman]

This is rather interesting. Last year my local borough contacted me about
my antenna support. It is 30 feet high and is my end support for my EFHW. I
was asked when did I install the pipe? I said 15 years ago, why? I was
promptly told that the boroughs 1.2 GHz comm link between the pump house
and well head three miles up the road, was intermittent. I am in a valley
compared to the well head and their link receiver. In that past year the
electric company installed two tall towers for distribution lines a couple
hundred yards between the well head and my QTH.  I was the suspect, non the
less.
Turned out to be the antenna at the well head.
K3bo

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:31 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> When I fired up my first transmitter as a novice (a DX-20!), little did I
> know it was leaking into a break in the coax cable in the attic.
>
> I found out two days later when a ham I'd never met copied my callsign off
> his TV. He looked me up in the callbook (I was a few blocks from his
> place), introduced himself, and helped me find and repair the cable. I
> ended up with a clean signal and a great Elmer.
>
> But this is not the good ol' days, apparently.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:22 PM, K4HYJ via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> > I had a ham friend who went through a similar situation with Charter -
> now Spectrum.  He called the state's public service commission to lodge a
> complaint against Charter.
> >
> > Long story short, the public service commission sent a representative
> out in the field and they had the ham radio guy transmit while witnessing
> the "interference" in the neighborhood.  They saw issues but not at the
> same time the transmitter was operating.  Charter finally found 2 issues: a
> failing power supply on a network amp, and some terrible signal leakage on
> improperly terminated unused coax drops.
> >
> > Charter took the easy way out and blamed the ham as a CB operator
> operating at illegal power levels.  Obviously they had no proof and
> ultimately had to fix their own problems.
> >
> > Xfinity around here is all fiber based.
> >
> > I'd also call the better business bureau!
> >
> > Hank
> > K4HYJ
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> On Behalf Of Rich Lim via Elecraft
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:35 PM
> > To: eric norris ; Frank Krozel <
> kg9hfr...@gmail.com>
> > Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
> ANTENNAS
> >
> > Wow! Doesn't seem to make sense... so they believe that by shutting down
> your home internet that you will stop operating your station which
> allegedly is causing the interference?
> >
> > Or do they believe that by the sheer fact that Xfinity is connected to
> your home that your station is causing harmful interference which is being
> transmitted directly into your home box?
> >
> > I'm gonna follow this one closely.
> > RichKQ9L
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Think different, Macintosh.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 01:25:48 PM CDT, Frank Krozel <
> kg9hfr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Cameras?  Any ID card from him?
> > Intolerable from any company, let alone your provider.
> >
> > -73-  FrankKG9H
> > kg9hfr...@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Gang:
> >> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> >> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my
> amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide
> area outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas
> themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was
> threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet
> lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I
> have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked
> to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he
> never called back.
> >> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a
> >> communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm
> Pacific time--I'd appreciate 

Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Wayne Burdick]

When I fired up my first transmitter as a novice (a DX-20!), little did I know 
it was leaking into a break in the coax cable in the attic. 

I found out two days later when a ham I'd never met copied my callsign off his 
TV. He looked me up in the callbook (I was a few blocks from his place), 
introduced himself, and helped me find and repair the cable. I ended up with a 
clean signal and a great Elmer.

But this is not the good ol' days, apparently.

Wayne
N6KR



> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:22 PM, K4HYJ via Elecraft  
> wrote:
> 
> I had a ham friend who went through a similar situation with Charter - now 
> Spectrum.  He called the state's public service commission to lodge a 
> complaint against Charter.
> 
> Long story short, the public service commission sent a representative out in 
> the field and they had the ham radio guy transmit while witnessing the 
> "interference" in the neighborhood.  They saw issues but not at the same time 
> the transmitter was operating.  Charter finally found 2 issues: a failing 
> power supply on a network amp, and some terrible signal leakage on improperly 
> terminated unused coax drops.
> 
> Charter took the easy way out and blamed the ham as a CB operator operating 
> at illegal power levels.  Obviously they had no proof and ultimately had to 
> fix their own problems.
> 
> Xfinity around here is all fiber based.
> 
> I'd also call the better business bureau!
> 
> Hank
> K4HYJ
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
> Behalf Of Rich Lim via Elecraft
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:35 PM
> To: eric norris ; Frank Krozel 
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
> 
> Wow! Doesn't seem to make sense... so they believe that by shutting down your 
> home internet that you will stop operating your station which allegedly is 
> causing the interference? 
> 
> Or do they believe that by the sheer fact that Xfinity is connected to your 
> home that your station is causing harmful interference which is being 
> transmitted directly into your home box? 
> 
> I'm gonna follow this one closely.
> RichKQ9L
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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>On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 01:25:48 PM CDT, Frank Krozel 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Cameras?  Any ID card from him?
> Intolerable from any company, let alone your provider.
> 
> -73-  FrankKG9H
> kg9hfr...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Gang:
>> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to 
>> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur 
>> radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area 
>> outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas 
>> themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was 
>> threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet 
>> lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I 
>> have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked 
>> to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he 
>> never called back.
>> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a 
>> communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific 
>> time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to 
>> work.  Being off the air is unimaginable.
>> Frantic,
>> 
>> 73, Eric WD6DBM
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[K4HYJ via Elecraft]

I had a ham friend who went through a similar situation with Charter - now 
Spectrum.  He called the state's public service commission to lodge a complaint 
against Charter.

Long story short, the public service commission sent a representative out in 
the field and they had the ham radio guy transmit while witnessing the 
"interference" in the neighborhood.  They saw issues but not at the same time 
the transmitter was operating.  Charter finally found 2 issues: a failing power 
supply on a network amp, and some terrible signal leakage on improperly 
terminated unused coax drops.

Charter took the easy way out and blamed the ham as a CB operator operating at 
illegal power levels.  Obviously they had no proof and ultimately had to fix 
their own problems.

Xfinity around here is all fiber based.

I'd also call the better business bureau!

Hank
K4HYJ



-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of Rich Lim via Elecraft
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:35 PM
To: eric norris ; Frank Krozel 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

Wow! Doesn't seem to make sense... so they believe that by shutting down your 
home internet that you will stop operating your station which allegedly is 
causing the interference? 

Or do they believe that by the sheer fact that Xfinity is connected to your 
home that your station is causing harmful interference which is being 
transmitted directly into your home box? 

I'm gonna follow this one closely.
RichKQ9L


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On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 01:25:48 PM CDT, Frank Krozel 
 wrote:  
 
 Cameras?  Any ID card from him?
Intolerable from any company, let alone your provider.

-73-  FrankKG9H
kg9hfr...@gmail.com




> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to 
> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur 
> radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area 
> outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas 
> themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was 
> threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet 
> lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have 
> stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked to 
> speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never 
> called back.
> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a 
> communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific 
> time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to 
> work.  Being off the air is unimaginable.
> Frantic,
> 
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Gwen Patton]

Sounds like the typical "I'm having trouble with X, and so-and-so has
antennas, so it must be those antennas making X fail. They have to get rid
of those antennas!"

I second that there's no way that the antennas by themselves, with no
signal being put through them, can somehow cause problems with a cable
internet system. It's also ludicrous that, to fix the problems with,
supposedly, antennas causing problems, they turn off the antenna owner's
*internet*, even though, according to them, their internet is not the
source of the problem.

I'd start doing some full power contesting until they come out and explain
why turning off your internet was a solution for antennas passively messing
with CABLE internet. The only thing that should interfere with CABLE
internet is a backhoe.

This reminds me of the Florida case where a ham was told to stay off the
air because a neighbor 3 doors down had problems with her insulin pump. So
once again, "see antennas, blame antennas" is the default. This isn't TVI
on VHF channel 2, guys. It doesn't work like that.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73,
Gwen, NG3P


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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Steve Kercel]

Hi Eric,

There is a reason that Xfinity is the most hated corporation in America.

I had a similar problem with them.

What all the other commenters are telling you is true; legally you are 
in the right. However, good luck on making your legal rights stick.


Your only practical solution is to find another provider.

73,

Steve
AA4AK



On 10/20/2021 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:

Dear Gang:
Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to 
the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities 
had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did not include 
my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were 
the problem
The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our 
shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier 
frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. 
 I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but 
he never called back.
Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications 
lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd 
appreciate any help.
My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is 
unimaginable.
Frantic,

73, Eric WD6DBM


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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Jim Brown]

Hi Eric,

The problem is clearly in their system and/or customer-connected 
equipment. The most likely causes are 1) badly installed coax 
connectors; 2) customer-installed tap-offs; 3) Pin-One Problems in 
Comcast and/or customer-equipment; 4) modems and/or routers with poor RF 
rejection.


I suggest you do three things. 1) Find an alternate internet provider, 
2) get ARRL involved, and 3) operate at you highest practical power 
level as often as possible.


73, Jim K9YC

73On 10/20/2021 11:21 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:

Dear Gang:
Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to 
the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities 
had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did not include 
my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were 
the problem
The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our 
shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier 
frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. 
 I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but 
he never called back.
Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications 
lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd 
appreciate any help.
My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is 
unimaginable.
Frantic,

73, Eric WD6DBM


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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2021-10-20 2:21 p.m., eric norris via Elecraft wrote:

Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur
radio activities had caused wide area outages.[snip]
They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem


Anyone telling you the mere presence of an antenna is the source of problem 
is someone who has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.


Ask them for a list of the dates, times, and durations of some of the area 
wide outages and compare that information against your log book to see if 
there is any correlation.


It is very likely there are other hams in your area. It could be someone 
else causing the problem who may not be an Xfinity customer. If any ham 
radio, or other radio transmissions, are causing their systems problems it 
shows they haven't properly protected their equipment from stray RF and/or 
they have a problem with an installation somewhere.


--
Cheers!

Kevin.

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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Mpridesti via Elecraft]

Unbelievable 

Ignorance run a muck!

Be sure to keep us notified on your progress!

On a separate note, on People’s Court (TV show), two hams were fighting over a 
SteppIR that was sold at a flea market- long story but it came down to buyer 
beware and sold as is rule was the conclusion.  

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:39 PM, David Bunte  wrote:
> 
> Eric -
> 
> Xfinity is also my provider. I have never heard of such a thing... and I
> had no idea they did anything down at 14 mHz.
> 
> I would call the ARRL directly and ask for suggestions on how to proceed. I
> would also call Xfinity customer service and ask for justification. My
> guess is that like most of us there is not a suitable competitor from whom
> you can get service.
> 
> Best of luck de Dave - K9FN
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 2:23 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
>> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Gang:
>> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
>> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur
>> radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area
>> outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas
>> themselves--absent any power--were the problem
>> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on
>> our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their
>> carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a
>> rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number
>> which I called, but he never called back.
>> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a
>> communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm
>> Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
>> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is
>> unimaginable.
>> Frantic,
>> 
>> 73, Eric WD6DBM
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[jerry]

Maybe you could get another ISP?  ATT might serve your neighborhood.
Or Sonic.  I had Sonic for many years.  Their speed sucks, but they are 
reliable.


- Jerry KF6VB


On 2021-10-20 11:21, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:

Dear Gang:
Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my
amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these
wide area outages did not include my own house.  They told her the
antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters
on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as
their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless
I'm in a rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave
me a number which I called, but he never called back.
Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a
communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm
Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.  
My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air
is unimaginable.
Frantic,

73, Eric WD6DBM


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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Edward Mccann]

Or, you sign up with T-Mobile for $50 monthly all in; gear supplied; and once 
in tell Infinity Foxtrot Oscar.

Ed McCann
AG6CX

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> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:07 PM, David Gilbert  wrote:
> 
> 
> First off, there is no way that your antennas alone can passively trash 
> Xfinity's internet network.  Whoever told you that is an idiot.
> 
> Secondly, you could offer to do some testing with Xfinity in attendance to 
> verify whether or not your transmissions were causing a problem.  I have a 
> small local wireless ISP that uses my tower to serve about 240 subscribers in 
> the valley below my QTH, and about a year ago he started to see what looked 
> to him like random problems with the routers on the tower.  I suggested that 
> we do some checks, and sure enough transmitting at high power on 10m caused 
> his routers (one in particular) to burp.  I hadn't operated much on 10m 
> previously because of the solar cycle.
> 
> He could stand there next to the tower and monitor the network with his 
> cellphone.  If a small one-man ISP can do that, Xfinity can.  He checked his 
> shielded CAT lines and all seemed to be solidly connected, so I suggested he 
> was getting common mode interference on the shields and that he could put 
> some clam shell ferrite cores (I suggested #31) on the lines near each box 
> and antenna.  He bought a bunch of them and that solved the problem.
> 
> In my case, I have it written into our contract that my ham radio has 
> priority over his gear, and I forced him to get my tower officially permitted 
> for his commercial use of it, so the burden was on him anyway.
> 
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/20/2021 11:21 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
>> Dear Gang:
>> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain 
>> to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio 
>> activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did 
>> not include my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any 
>> power--were the problem
>> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our 
>> shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their 
>> carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a 
>> rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number 
>> which I called, but he never called back.
>> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications 
>> lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd 
>> appreciate any help.
>> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is 
>> unimaginable.
>> Frantic,
>> 
>> 73, Eric WD6DBM
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[David Gilbert]

First off, there is no way that your antennas alone can passively trash 
Xfinity's internet network.  Whoever told you that is an idiot.


Secondly, you could offer to do some testing with Xfinity in attendance 
to verify whether or not your transmissions were causing a problem.  I 
have a small local wireless ISP that uses my tower to serve about 240 
subscribers in the valley below my QTH, and about a year ago he started 
to see what looked to him like random problems with the routers on the 
tower.  I suggested that we do some checks, and sure enough transmitting 
at high power on 10m caused his routers (one in particular) to burp.  I 
hadn't operated much on 10m previously because of the solar cycle.


He could stand there next to the tower and monitor the network with his 
cellphone.  If a small one-man ISP can do that, Xfinity can.  He checked 
his shielded CAT lines and all seemed to be solidly connected, so I 
suggested he was getting common mode interference on the shields and 
that he could put some clam shell ferrite cores (I suggested #31) on the 
lines near each box and antenna.  He bought a bunch of them and that 
solved the problem.


In my case, I have it written into our contract that my ham radio has 
priority over his gear, and I forced him to get my tower officially 
permitted for his commercial use of it, so the burden was on him anyway.


73,
Dave   AB7E



On 10/20/2021 11:21 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:

Dear Gang:
Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to 
the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities 
had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did not include 
my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were 
the problem
The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our 
shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier 
frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. 
 I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but 
he never called back.
Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications 
lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd 
appreciate any help.
My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is 
unimaginable.
Frantic,

73, Eric WD6DBM


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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Peter Wollan]

We just switched to getting internet through T-Mobile, a cell phone
connection.  It's a hotspot, but fairly large and more capable than the
little dongles.  Not blazingly fast, but good, and reasonably priced.

  Peter W0LLN

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 1:22 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur
> radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area
> outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas
> themselves--absent any power--were the problem
> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on
> our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their
> carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a
> rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number
> which I called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a
> communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm
> Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is
> unimaginable.
> Frantic,
>
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Powering KX3 from Bioenno charger with battery in between

[Julia Tuttle]

Hi Hal,

Thanks for the advice.

I believe the battery has a BMS that will cut off the output if the power
draw is too high -- is that sufficient?

If not, can I trust the fusing on a RIGrunner port, or should I get a
proper inline fuse holder that covers both conductors?

73,

Julie

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 18:40 Hal Massey  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Your solution should work just fine.
>
> The Bioenno batteries I could look up easily were LiPO technology. I would
> make one suggestion when using a technology like LiPO. Turn off the charger
> every now and then and deplete the battery down to say 25%. You can
> accomplish this with a simple mechanical timer on the AC line (or use
> something more sophisticated). LiPO manufacturers don’t show any data on
> “Float Charging” which is what you propose.
>
> The reason I say this is I cannot find an exact replica of your suggested
> usage model in any of the characterization data on any manufacturer of LiPO
> batteries. Without a reliable source like data from a manufacturer you are
> taking on some of the engineering. At worst I could see your battery life
> being slightly shortened by your approach.
>
> LiPO batteries get intense when shorted out. I would recommend a fuse,
> fusible link, or circuit breaker to keep an accident from turning into a
> thermal event. Accidents do happen with power sources.
>
> The setup you are contemplating depends on integrating the charge demand
> and charge resupply (recharging). So if you add a 100W final, an ATU, or
> something else just be sure to keep that in mind. Every time you go beyond
> a 4A current demand the battery will be supplying the difference until you
> stop making greater than a 4A demand. Then the battery will return to
> recharging. Of course if demand exceeds 4A for too long the voltage will
> sag.
>
>
> While this always sounds pompous when I read it I will supply my
> credentials so you know this is not just a casual social media reply. I
> hold a BSEE from the University of California at Santa Barbara, an MSEE
> from Santa Clara University and practiced design engineering for over 35
> years ending up the Vice President and General Manager (GM) of Hewlett
> Packard’s Business Critical Hardware Group (a $2 Billion US International
> business). Having said all that I am not a battery expert. I looked at your
> problem using engineering first principles. (Can it be done? Can it be done
> safely? What are the consequences of such a topology?)
>
> I once float charged a 12VDC AGM battery from an Astron 50 Amp supply on
> top of California’s Crystal Peak. Crystal Peak is 1 mile south and 1 mile
> east of the famous Loma Prieta. Loma is famous for the big earthquake in
> 1989 during the World Series Baseball Game). This setup worked quite
> successfully for many years. Local hams told me it couldn’t be done and the
> battery wouldn’t last. When power failed at Crystal Peak we remained on the
> air (440.1--- N6ITW Repeater). It was true that the battery would not last
> the full service life in the manual. But most hams cannott keep a repeater
> running for 10 years with the same gear anyway. I suspect your experience
> will be similar. This will not be the perfect charge/recharge profile for a
> LiPO battery but it will be good enough.
>
> Regards
> -Hal Massey (WB6NNR)
>
> > On Oct 19, 2021, at 14:16, Julia Tuttle  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've got a Bioenno battery (it's so good!) and the stock 14.64 V
> (no-load,
> > by my cheap meter) 4 A (claimed) charger. I'm currently planning to just
> > leave things plugged in (mains to the charger to the battery to the
> radio),
> > and I want to make sure that's safe (won't start a fire and won't damage
> > the charger, battery, or radio).
> >
> > Here's why I think it is:
> >
> > Will I overload the charger? No, the KX3 draws well under 4 A. If the
> > battery is charging simultaneously, the constant-current circuitry will
> > adjust the voltage down until the two loads together are drawing less
> than
> > 4 A, at the cost of lower charging speed, lower output power, and/or
> higher
> > PA heat dissipation.
> >
> > Will I overcharge the battery? 14.64 V works out to 3.66 V per cell,
> which
> > looks like it's about 93% state of charge, which is fine for the battery
> > long-term.
> >
> > Will I overvolt the radio? No, 14.64 V is under 15 V.
> >
> > Am I missing anything here? Is this a safe way to leave things long-term?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Julie
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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Ken K6MR]

I’d start with the Public Utilities Commission.  I had good response from them 
when dealing with PG  I ‘think’ cable companies are under their 
jurisdiction, but if not they can probably tell you who does deal with them.

Ken K6MR

From: eric norris via Elecraft
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:23
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

Dear Gang:
Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to 
the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities 
had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did not include 
my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were 
the problem
The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our 
shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier 
frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. 
 I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but 
he never called back.
Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications 
lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd 
appreciate any help.
My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is 
unimaginable.
Frantic,

73, Eric WD6DBM


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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Mooneer Salem]

Yeah, I'm kinda surprised myself that they did anything on the ham bands at
all; I would have expected them to stay out of anything that could
interfere with us. For instance, I just logged into my Spectrum-provided
cable modem and the closest they seem to get to the ham bands around here
is 17.8MHz and 24.2MHz on the uplink. And considering where I live, I would
have expected my operation to have interfered with someone's internet
already if it was going to. (I do 100W *max* into a roof-mounted MFJ
magloop, but typically ~50W just to be safe.)

-Mooneer K6AQ

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 11:36 AM David Bunte  wrote:

> Eric -
>
> Xfinity is also my provider. I have never heard of such a thing... and I
> had no idea they did anything down at 14 mHz.
>
> I would call the ARRL directly and ask for suggestions on how to proceed. I
> would also call Xfinity customer service and ask for justification. My
> guess is that like most of us there is not a suitable competitor from whom
> you can get service.
>
> Best of luck de Dave - K9FN
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 2:23 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > Dear Gang:
> > Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> > explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur
> > radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area
> > outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas
> > themselves--absent any power--were the problem
> > The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on
> > our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their
> > carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a
> > rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number
> > which I called, but he never called back.
> > Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a
> > communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm
> > Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
> > My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is
> > unimaginable.
> > Frantic,
> >
> > 73, Eric WD6DBM
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Rich Lim via Elecraft]

Wow! Doesn't seem to make sense... so they believe that by shutting down your 
home internet that you will stop operating your station which allegedly is 
causing the interference? 

Or do they believe that by the sheer fact that Xfinity is connected to your 
home that your station is causing harmful interference which is being 
transmitted directly into your home box? 

I'm gonna follow this one closely.
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> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain 
> to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio 
> activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did 
> not include my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any 
> power--were the problem
> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our 
> shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier 
> frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare 
> contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I 
> called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications 
> lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd 
> appreciate any help.  
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is 
> unimaginable.
> Frantic,
> 
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[David Bunte]

Eric -

Xfinity is also my provider. I have never heard of such a thing... and I
had no idea they did anything down at 14 mHz.

I would call the ARRL directly and ask for suggestions on how to proceed. I
would also call Xfinity customer service and ask for justification. My
guess is that like most of us there is not a suitable competitor from whom
you can get service.

Best of luck de Dave - K9FN

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 2:23 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur
> radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area
> outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas
> themselves--absent any power--were the problem
> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on
> our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their
> carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a
> rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number
> which I called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a
> communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm
> Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is
> unimaginable.
> Frantic,
>
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
>
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[John Stengrevics]

Give the legal folks at ARRL a call.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain 
> to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio 
> activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did 
> not include my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any 
> power--were the problem
> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our 
> shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier 
> frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare 
> contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I 
> called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications 
> lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd 
> appreciate any help.  
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is 
> unimaginable.
> Frantic,
> 
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 NB Info

[Lyn Norstad]

One simple rule ...

Never use any form of noise reduction on digital signals.

Period.

73
Lyn, W0LEN

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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 8:25 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 NB Info

Ed,

I have tried for a few years to come up with a good setting for the NB 
that does not degrade FT8 performance.  If you find one, please share 
it.  It seems that any combination of settings I use, reduces the FT8 
decode ability greatly for low level signals.  The net is a minus in 
decoding ability with the NB on.  I have a very loud set of 
horticultural lights in my area, about a block away, as the source.  My 
noise level has been reduced lately to only S6...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 10/19/21 1:44 PM, Ed Cole wrote:
> I'm trying to use the DSP NB on local noise to improve my 6m reception 
> of very weak signals (i.e. eme signals).
> 
> There are three ranges of DSP NB T-1, T-2, and T-3 with level settings 
> of 1 to 7.  The levels are self explanatory, but have found no 
> description about the three ranges (application, function, etc)
> 
> I've inquired of fellow K3 owners that do eme and they say it improves 
> SNR with no deterioration of digital signals (specifically JT65 or Q65). 
>   FT8 is probably a good test and more widely used.
> 
> Opinions and recommendations.
> 
> My 6m local noise peaks to S7 in the NE and drops to S2 when antenna is 
> rotated to SE thru West.  Elevating 13-degrees also helps, dropping S7 
> to S4.
> 
> Tnx & 73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[Frank Krozel]

Cameras?  Any ID card from him?
Intolerable from any company, let alone your provider.

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> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain 
> to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio 
> activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did 
> not include my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any 
> power--were the problem
> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our 
> shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier 
> frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare 
> contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I 
> called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications 
> lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd 
> appreciate any help.  
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is 
> unimaginable.
> Frantic,
> 
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
> 
>  
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[Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

[eric norris via Elecraft]

Dear Gang:
Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to 
the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities 
had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did not include 
my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were 
the problem
The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our 
shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier 
frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. 
 I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but 
he never called back.
Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications 
lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd 
appreciate any help.  
My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is 
unimaginable.
Frantic,

73, Eric WD6DBM

 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 NB Info

[Dave]

Ed,

I have tried for a few years to come up with a good setting for the NB 
that does not degrade FT8 performance.  If you find one, please share 
it.  It seems that any combination of settings I use, reduces the FT8 
decode ability greatly for low level signals.  The net is a minus in 
decoding ability with the NB on.  I have a very loud set of 
horticultural lights in my area, about a block away, as the source.  My 
noise level has been reduced lately to only S6...


73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 10/19/21 1:44 PM, Ed Cole wrote:
I'm trying to use the DSP NB on local noise to improve my 6m reception 
of very weak signals (i.e. eme signals).


There are three ranges of DSP NB T-1, T-2, and T-3 with level settings 
of 1 to 7.  The levels are self explanatory, but have found no 
description about the three ranges (application, function, etc)


I've inquired of fellow K3 owners that do eme and they say it improves 
SNR with no deterioration of digital signals (specifically JT65 or Q65). 
  FT8 is probably a good test and more widely used.


Opinions and recommendations.

My 6m local noise peaks to S7 in the NE and drops to S2 when antenna is 
rotated to SE thru West.  Elevating 13-degrees also helps, dropping S7 
to S4.


Tnx & 73, Ed - KL7UW
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