Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-18 Thread Randy Lake
If I am not mistaken I think the proper way of tuning the amp is with a
pulser or sending a string of dits at say 60wpm not a solid tone.
Randy


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Bob KD7YZ kd...@denstarfarm.us wrote:

 Willis 'Cookie' said:

  The easy way is to hold the dash on the bug.

 unless I am missing something in Setup, I do not see how to tell the K3
 that I want manual dashes and string-dots. There is no setup for the
 keyer. So obviously if I short out the dash side, of the Vibroplex
 paddle, I get dashes. Many of them.

 And that is my question. How do I get a solid key-down, where the PTT IS
 activated, and RF flows?

 Seems right simple ,but my two choices here do not work.
 Use the keyer, push the PTT foot-switch, and I get a nice string of dots
 or dashes, as all of us expect.

 Push/HOLD the XMIT button and the PTT output of the K3 seems to not
 engage.

 Where, on the K3, would one pug in a regular old straight-key, and
 expect it to work as a regular old straight-key?

 The answer to that would solve my Sequencer problem for tuning w/o
 frying anything in the LNA chain.
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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-18 Thread Chester Alderman
ARE YOU SERIOUS



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To: Bob KD7YZ
Cc: K3 List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external
6m amp?

If I am not mistaken I think the proper way of tuning the amp is with a
pulser or sending a string of dits at say 60wpm not a solid tone.
Randy



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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-18 Thread Ken G Kopp
Randy, you are indeed mistaken!!

73

K0PP
On Jan 18, 2014 4:56 AM, Randy Lake randyn1...@gmail.com wrote:

 If I am not mistaken I think the proper way of tuning the amp is with a
 pulser or sending a string of dits at say 60wpm not a solid tone.
 Randy


 On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Bob KD7YZ kd...@denstarfarm.us wrote:

  Willis 'Cookie' said:
 
   The easy way is to hold the dash on the bug.
 
  unless I am missing something in Setup, I do not see how to tell the K3
  that I want manual dashes and string-dots. There is no setup for the
  keyer. So obviously if I short out the dash side, of the Vibroplex
  paddle, I get dashes. Many of them.
 
  And that is my question. How do I get a solid key-down, where the PTT IS
  activated, and RF flows?
 
  Seems right simple ,but my two choices here do not work.
  Use the keyer, push the PTT foot-switch, and I get a nice string of dots
  or dashes, as all of us expect.
 
  Push/HOLD the XMIT button and the PTT output of the K3 seems to not
  engage.
 
  Where, on the K3, would one pug in a regular old straight-key, and
  expect it to work as a regular old straight-key?
 
  The answer to that would solve my Sequencer problem for tuning w/o
  frying anything in the LNA chain.
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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-18 Thread Bob KD7YZ


On 1/17/2014 23:53, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
 My K3 back panel has two 1/4 inch key jacks, one for a paddle, one for a 
 straight key.  I plug a paddle into one, and the keying line from my computer 
 into the other.  I have a vibroplex bug and plan to put a 1/4 inch mono Y 
 adapter plug into the straight key socket. 

OK, this was helpful Dick. And Merv K9FD reminding me to RTFM. But I
believe what he said was re-re-read the page 17 and rear-apron
drawings/words .. as that page WAS op and does have a ot of dirty
fingerprints of mine.

By re-arraigning the two outputs-to-PTT, that I see on the K3,
as-well-as removing a superfluous Key-Out I used to go down to the
KAT500, I was able to insert my straight key in KEY, use it and have
the correct K3 PTT-out places actually ALL come on and ALL key the
sequencer chain.

It was NOT the case before.

Before, a foot switch press, a cw-key press and a command to transmit
from the JT65 soundcard input did not all have the same effect on
allowing the sequencer to make the decision.

thanks again.
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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-18 Thread John K9UWA
Yes Randy is correct. The Tube dealers LOVE people who tune up with a 
Brick on the Key. Kills your Tubes much faster. Plus you get a much more 
accurate tuneup by sending dots than you do with a solid tone. It duplicates 
your actual transmissions using dots rather than solid tone. 
Its really easy to do guys. Just set your coffee cup against the paddles 
making dots and turn the knobs on your amp.

John k9uwa


 If I am not mistaken I think the proper way of tuning the amp is with a
 pulser or sending a string of dits at say 60wpm not a solid tone.
 Randy
 
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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-18 Thread Chester Alderman

John ---

I suggest you send this 'quality' information quickly to RF Concepts and
tell them they better take that brick off of the key to their amps that they
demo at hamfest.

This thread ranks right up there with 'where do you plug a straight key into
a K3?'.

W4BQF


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Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 8:23 AM
To: K3 List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external
6m amp?

Yes Randy is correct. The Tube dealers LOVE people who tune up with a Brick
on the Key. Kills your Tubes much faster. Plus you get a much more accurate
tuneup by sending dots than you do with a solid tone. It duplicates your
actual transmissions using dots rather than solid tone. 
Its really easy to do guys. Just set your coffee cup against the paddles
making dots and turn the knobs on your amp.

John k9uwa


 If I am not mistaken I think the proper way of tuning the amp is 
 with a pulser or sending a string of dits at say 60wpm not a solid tone.
 Randy
 
John Goller, K9UWA  Jean Goller, N9PXF Antique Radio Restorations
k9...@arrl.net Visit our Web Site at:
http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com
4836 Ranch Road
Leo, IN 46765
USA
1-260-637-6426



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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-18 Thread WILLIS COOKE
What the man said was that he was going to plug in a bug.  A bug AKA 
semi-automatic key does not make a string of dahs, just automatic dots.  The 
dah position of the finger piece makes dashes manually like a straight key 
except that you push it side ways instead of down.  A proficient operator can 
change from using the dot motion to the right and the dah motion to the left to 
using the dah paddle as a straight key without you noticing.  This is a great 
way to QRS to a slow speed for a new operator without changing keys.  If you 
are using paddles and the internal keyer, you plug it in to the paddle jack.  
The K3 has two jacks instead of the one jack and a switch to turn the keyer on 
and off.  That is what you are missing.
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ  Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart



 From: Bob KD7YZ kd...@denstarfarm.us
To: K3 List elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m 
amp?
 

Willis 'Cookie' said:

 The easy way is to hold the dash on the bug.

unless I am missing something in Setup, I do not see how to tell the K3
that I want manual dashes and string-dots. There is no setup for the
keyer. So obviously if I short out the dash side, of the Vibroplex
paddle, I get dashes. Many of them.

And that is my question. How do I get a solid key-down, where the PTT IS
activated, and RF flows?

Seems right simple ,but my two choices here do not work.
Use the keyer, push the PTT foot-switch, and I get a nice string of dots
or dashes, as all of us expect.

Push/HOLD the XMIT button and the PTT output of the K3 seems to not
engage.

Where, on the K3, would one pug in a regular old straight-key, and
expect it to work as a regular old straight-key?

The answer to that would solve my Sequencer problem for tuning w/o
frying anything in the LNA chain.
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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-18 Thread Walter Underwood
This seems like a kluge to reduce average power. It would work if you are 
manually tuning a tube radio with analog meters, where the meters would 
integrate the pulsed signal. Sort of.

It is crazy for digital metering, SWR metering, or an autotuner. In those 
cases, the instruments are trying to get a measurement with about 10 
milliseconds of carrier (one dit at 60 wpm, if I got the math right).

Reducing drive power for tuning is a lot better idea, and works for all 
situations.

With the K3 (or KX3), you can use the front-panel TUNE function and even set 
reduced drive with the TUNE Power Level option.

wunder
K6WRU

On Jan 18, 2014, at 5:23 AM, John K9UWA j...@johnjeanantiqueradio.com wrote:

 Yes Randy is correct. The Tube dealers LOVE people who tune up with a 
 Brick on the Key. Kills your Tubes much faster. Plus you get a much more 
 accurate tuneup by sending dots than you do with a solid tone. It duplicates 
 your actual transmissions using dots rather than solid tone. 
 Its really easy to do guys. Just set your coffee cup against the paddles 
 making dots and turn the knobs on your amp.
 
 John k9uwa
 
 
 If I am not mistaken I think the proper way of tuning the amp is with a
 pulser or sending a string of dits at say 60wpm not a solid tone.
 Randy
 
 John Goller, K9UWA  Jean Goller, N9PXF 
 Antique Radio Restorations
 k9...@arrl.net
 Visit our Web Site at:
 http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com
 4836 Ranch Road
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 USA
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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-17 Thread Bob KD7YZ
Willis 'Cookie' said:

 The easy way is to hold the dash on the bug.

unless I am missing something in Setup, I do not see how to tell the K3
that I want manual dashes and string-dots. There is no setup for the
keyer. So obviously if I short out the dash side, of the Vibroplex
paddle, I get dashes. Many of them.

And that is my question. How do I get a solid key-down, where the PTT IS
activated, and RF flows?

Seems right simple ,but my two choices here do not work.
Use the keyer, push the PTT foot-switch, and I get a nice string of dots
or dashes, as all of us expect.

Push/HOLD the XMIT button and the PTT output of the K3 seems to not
engage.

Where, on the K3, would one pug in a regular old straight-key, and
expect it to work as a regular old straight-key?

The answer to that would solve my Sequencer problem for tuning w/o
frying anything in the LNA chain.
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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-17 Thread Merv Schweigert
Where, on the K3, would one pug in a regular old straight-key, and 
expect it to work as a regular old straight-key? The answer to that 
would solve my Sequencer problem for tuning w/o frying anything in the 
LNA chain. ___


How about trying the KEY jack on the rear of the K3.   its for bugs, 
straight keys or external keyers.

I use a bug with it no problem..   RTFM may be worth a try,

Merv K9FD/KH6

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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-17 Thread Dick Dievendorff
I'm missing something. My K3 back panel has two 1/4 inch key jacks, one for a 
paddle, one for a straight key.  I plug a paddle into one, and the keying line 
from my computer into the other.  I have a vibroplex bug and plan to put a 1/4 
inch mono Y adapter plug into the straight key socket.  Then I can press the 
dash side of the bug.

What I do now for key down is press the TUNE button on the front of the radio.
73 de 
Dick, K6KR

 On Jan 17, 2014, at 20:44, Bob KD7YZ kd...@denstarfarm.us wrote:
 
 Willis 'Cookie' said:
 
 The easy way is to hold the dash on the bug.
 
 unless I am missing something in Setup, I do not see how to tell the K3
 that I want manual dashes and string-dots. There is no setup for the
 keyer. So obviously if I short out the dash side, of the Vibroplex
 paddle, I get dashes. Many of them.
 
 And that is my question. How do I get a solid key-down, where the PTT IS
 activated, and RF flows?
 
 Seems right simple ,but my two choices here do not work.
 Use the keyer, push the PTT foot-switch, and I get a nice string of dots
 or dashes, as all of us expect.
 
 Push/HOLD the XMIT button and the PTT output of the K3 seems to not
 engage.
 
 Where, on the K3, would one pug in a regular old straight-key, and
 expect it to work as a regular old straight-key?
 
 The answer to that would solve my Sequencer problem for tuning w/o
 frying anything in the LNA chain.
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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-17 Thread jim

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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-17 Thread jim
The text of my email didn't make it, so I'm sending this as plain text.

73, Jim N7US




 Original Message 


My Winkeyer keyer can easily generate a key-down.  In addition, I have a
macro in Commander, the rig control module of DXLab, my logging program,
that is the same as pressing the tune button, though I have it set the
power to 15W and then revert to full power automatically.   I got the
idea for that from the K3 Utility program's help file, I think, as it
was a sample macro that can be programmed for PF1 or PF2. 


73, Jim N7US


   Original Message 

 I'm missing something. My K3 back panel has two 1/4 inch key jacks, one
for a paddle, one for a straight key. I plug a paddle into one, and the
keying line from my computer into the other. I have a vibroplex bug and
plan to put a 1/4 inch mono Y adapter plug into the straight key socket.
Then I can press the dash side of the bug.
 
 What I do now for key down is press the TUNE button on the front of the
radio.
 73 de 
 Dick, K6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-17 Thread bill conkling
You might try the 1/4 inch jack on the back labeled KEY.  I dunno but it 
might work.

...bill nr4c

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Bob KD7YZ kd...@denstarfarm.us wrote:

Willis 'Cookie' said:

 The easy way is to hold the dash on the bug.

unless I am missing something in Setup, I do not see how to tell the K3
that I want manual dashes and string-dots. There is no setup for the
keyer. So obviously if I short out the dash side, of the Vibroplex
paddle, I get dashes. Many of them.

And that is my question. How do I get a solid key-down, where the PTT IS
activated, and RF flows?

Seems right simple ,but my two choices here do not work.
Use the keyer, push the PTT foot-switch, and I get a nice string of dots
or dashes, as all of us expect.

Push/HOLD the XMIT button and the PTT output of the K3 seems to not
engage.

Where, on the K3, would one pug in a regular old straight-key, and
expect it to work as a regular old straight-key?

The answer to that would solve my Sequencer problem for tuning w/o
frying anything in the LNA chain.
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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-16 Thread Fred Smith
I use a Data Mode and the transmit button to do the same.


73,
Fred/N0AZZ
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P3/SVGA--KAT500--W2
Amps Elecraft KPA500 HF/6m--Alpha's 9500 HF--87A HF--Mirage B-5030-G
300+w--(2) B-5016-G's 165w 2m



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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of WILLIS COOKE
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:21 PM
To: Bob KD7YZ; K3 List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external
6m amp?

The easy way is to hold the dash on the bug.  If you want to use a straight
key just wire it across the terminals on the bug.  You don't need but one
key input.  The way the old telegraphers used a bug was to insert the flat
connector between the base and the copper/brass strip that connects to the
contact on the straight key and the straight key was permanently bolted to
the desk and wired to the telegraph line.
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ  Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart



 From: Bob KD7YZ kd...@denstarfarm.us
To: K3 List elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 8:13 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m
amp?
 

My Old viproplex Bug does the cw for me and there seems to not be an
available jack for an old straight key.
I have configured some settings in order to keep me form applying power
before a PTT action closes a sequencer.

Thus I seem to have made it so that pressing Xmit or hold-xmit/Tune will
NOT issue a PTT action however will send out RF. This does not close
PTT anywhere so the Sequencer does bot close the relay on the PA and I
can't rune it up.

I can push the foot-switch and the relays all close. However, there is
no steady RF. Just what I can make in dots or dashes

Is there a way to get key-down WITH a closed PTT so external 6m PA comes on?


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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-16 Thread Oliver Dröse


Either that (works on FM, too) or simply press the TUNE button (not ATU 
TUNE), it's there exactly for that, putting out a steady carrier, no 
matter which mode. ;-) Besides this the K3 (assuming you are talking 
about that as no mention of the radio) well has a separate input for a 
straight key that could be used, too.


73, Olli - DH8BQA



Am 16.01.2014 09:13, schrieb Fred Smith:

I use a Data Mode and the transmit button to do the same.


73,
Fred/N0AZZ
K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 5210--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
P3/SVGA--KAT500--W2
Amps Elecraft KPA500 HF/6m--Alpha's 9500 HF--87A HF--Mirage B-5030-G
300+w--(2) B-5016-G's 165w 2m



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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of WILLIS COOKE
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:21 PM
To: Bob KD7YZ; K3 List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external
6m amp?

The easy way is to hold the dash on the bug.  If you want to use a straight
key just wire it across the terminals on the bug.  You don't need but one
key input.  The way the old telegraphers used a bug was to insert the flat
connector between the base and the copper/brass strip that connects to the
contact on the straight key and the straight key was permanently bolted to
the desk and wired to the telegraph line.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ  Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart



  From: Bob KD7YZ kd...@denstarfarm.us
To: K3 List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 8:13 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m
amp?


My Old viproplex Bug does the cw for me and there seems to not be an
available jack for an old straight key.
I have configured some settings in order to keep me form applying power
before a PTT action closes a sequencer.

Thus I seem to have made it so that pressing Xmit or hold-xmit/Tune will
NOT issue a PTT action however will send out RF. This does not close
PTT anywhere so the Sequencer does bot close the relay on the PA and I
can't rune it up.

I can push the foot-switch and the relays all close. However, there is
no steady RF. Just what I can make in dots or dashes

Is there a way to get key-down WITH a closed PTT so external 6m PA comes on?



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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-16 Thread Jim Bennett
Bob,

Something I made quite a while ago, and you may consider making, is a simple, 
small utility box to sit next to your radio (K3 or KX3). Mine is simply a 
plastic Radio Shack project box. On the back I have 1/4 jacks to plug in 
several different paddles and straight keys. There are two jacks there for 
output: one that runs to the Paddle jack in the back of my K3, and another (I 
call it Key Out) that runs to the Key jack on the back of the K3. A third jack 
on the back of the little box runs to the PTT jack on the K3.

On the top of the box I've mounted several switches. One is a toggle switch 
that closes the contacts on the PTT jack in the back. Another is a momentary 
pushbutton switch that does the same thing. And a third momentary button is 
wired in parallel to the Key Out jack on the back of the box.

This combination of jacks and switches allows me to plug in several different 
paddles and straight keys, and permits the engaging either PTT (like when I'm 
on SSB with my Yamaha CM-500 headset) or simulating a key down with a 
straight key. All those functions can be accomplished via front panel switches 
on the K3, but w/o having to reach over/up to the radio to do so.

Jim / W6JHB


 
 
  From: Bob KD7YZ kd...@denstarfarm.us
 To: K3 List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 8:13 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m
 amp?
 
 
 My Old viproplex Bug does the cw for me and there seems to not be an
 available jack for an old straight key.
 I have configured some settings in order to keep me form applying power
 before a PTT action closes a sequencer.
 
 Thus I seem to have made it so that pressing Xmit or hold-xmit/Tune will
 NOT issue a PTT action however will send out RF. This does not close
 PTT anywhere so the Sequencer does bot close the relay on the PA and I
 can't rune it up.
 
 I can push the foot-switch and the relays all close. However, there is
 no steady RF. Just what I can make in dots or dashes
 
 Is there a way to get key-down WITH a closed PTT so external 6m PA comes on?
 
 
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[Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-15 Thread Bob KD7YZ
My Old viproplex Bug does the cw for me and there seems to not be an
available jack for an old straight key.
I have configured some settings in order to keep me form applying power
before a PTT action closes a sequencer.

Thus I seem to have made it so that pressing Xmit or hold-xmit/Tune will
NOT issue a PTT action however will send out RF. This does not close
PTT anywhere so the Sequencer does bot close the relay on the PA and I
can't rune it up.

I can push the foot-switch and the relays all close. However, there is
no steady RF. Just what I can make in dots or dashes

Is there a way to get key-down WITH a closed PTT so external 6m PA comes on?


-- 

Bob KD7YZ
http://www.qrz.com/db/KD7YZ
www.denstarfarm.us/LGD
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Re: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?

2014-01-15 Thread WILLIS COOKE
The easy way is to hold the dash on the bug.  If you want to use a straight key 
just wire it across the terminals on the bug.  You don't need but one key 
input.  The way the old telegraphers used a bug was to insert the flat 
connector between the base and the copper/brass strip that connects to the 
contact on the straight key and the straight key was permanently bolted to the 
desk and wired to the telegraph line.
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ  Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart



 From: Bob KD7YZ kd...@denstarfarm.us
To: K3 List elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 8:13 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] How do I generate a Key Down to tune an external 6m amp?
 

My Old viproplex Bug does the cw for me and there seems to not be an
available jack for an old straight key.
I have configured some settings in order to keep me form applying power
before a PTT action closes a sequencer.

Thus I seem to have made it so that pressing Xmit or hold-xmit/Tune will
NOT issue a PTT action however will send out RF. This does not close
PTT anywhere so the Sequencer does bot close the relay on the PA and I
can't rune it up.

I can push the foot-switch and the relays all close. However, there is
no steady RF. Just what I can make in dots or dashes

Is there a way to get key-down WITH a closed PTT so external 6m PA comes on?


-- 

Bob KD7YZ
http://www.qrz.com/db/KD7YZ
www.denstarfarm.us/LGD
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