Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word ham
On Jul 7, 2007, at 4:46 PM, W2AGN wrote: Yep, for some reason Bill responded to this almost 2 weeks after my message. I avoided further comment, knowing I would get blamed for it. At the risk of incurring the wrath of the list moderator -- I must confess that I was reading old messages and responded before reaching the end of thread message. If that is any explanation. Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote: Not within a thousand years will man ever fly! -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Hate the word HAM
I don't remember the format of the written, but MC doesn't sound wrong. I know the code test was fill-in-the-blank, which I found quite odd. I do remember one question, tho. His occupation was _. My copy had ??mber?. I was torn between plumber and lumber salesman. Occam saved the day! Dan / WG4S (ca. 1981 or 2) / K2 #2456 snip The reference in the original post may be to the fact that for several years after the FCC dropped the one minute perfect copy out of five minutes sent standard, they used multiple choice exams for the *Morse* test after the sending was over. That didn't last long. /snip ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word HAM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I took my general in 1961 at the LA Federal Building, I had to draw a schematic of a Colpitt's Osc. They weren't specific if it had to be solid state or Vacuum tube, so I drew the solid state version I thought I knew best. WOW, solid-state in 1962? Now that's radical! I wonder if the FCC examiner even knew what it was, or whether it was right or wrong? The only solid-state question I can remember on my 1963 General exam was something about if the arrow is pointing toward the base, is it an NPN or a PNP? Something real technical like that... Think I had to draw a Colpitts oscillator, too... Or was it a Hartley? It's all kinda hazy now... I do remember having to draw a pi-network output. Bill / W5WVO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word ham
In a message dated 7/6/07 8:44:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I took my tests in 1980 under a steely-eyed FCC examiner, and they were multiple-choice back then. I took mine in 1968 and 1970, and the written exams were all multiple choice then, too. Novice to Extra. Frankly, I'd rather judge people by their actions after they obtain their license, then by the path they took to get it. I agree 100% Sure there are *some* hams today who don't know the basics, and whose questions make you wonder. But I recall there being a similar variety of knowledge and experience 40 years ago, too. I don't think Elecraft has yet encountered a kit wired with real spaghetti, for example. Or one where alignment was attempted by tightening all the loose screws 73 de Jim, N2EY ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word ham
As one of those asking what I'm certain are very basic questions which seem obvious to those with eon's of experience, I would like to present an alternate point of view to consider. While the grizzled experts who can absently tap code on the bartop without realizing it may want to look down at others trying to learn...at least those asking those basic questions are trying to understand. I may be only a General and when I took the test it certainly was only offered as multiple choice... and yes, now that code is no longer required I have a curious interest in learning it At least those of us asking questions are trying to learn and aren't content with just whipping out the plastic, placing an order for the latest whizzbangyougottahaveitsoyoucantalktothemoonman withfivekazillionhonesttogodwattsofpureamplifiedpowerthatsplatterthewholeband, unwrapping it, plunking it on a countertop while wishing it came preconnected to a 500 foot tall spaceship-trapping antenna and pushing buttons wondering what they do and not willing to even read the instructions?!?! If you really want to toss the cat into the chicken house and watch the feathers fly...suggest that instead of automatic renewals on your licenses..that you have to retake it every three to five years AND Pass, multiple choice or notthat would really thin out the ranks and I'll bet a lot of 1x2 calls would free up when that happened! I can't begin to count the number of Extra's I've heard saying they couldn't pass even 5 wpm now...let alone any higher speed. David King KE7EKA Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sure there are *some* hams today who don't know the basics, and whose questions make you wonder. But I recall there being a similar variety of knowledge and experience 40 years ago, too. This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word ham
On the 23rd 24th of June 2007 Eric declared an END OF THREAD for this. http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/ toby ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word ham
Toby Deinhardt wrote: On the 23rd 24th of June 2007 Eric declared an END OF THREAD for this. http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/ toby Yep, for some reason Bill responded to this almost 2 weeks after my message. I avoided further comment, knowing I would get blamed for it. -- --- _____ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn check out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QRPariahs/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word ham
On Jun 23, 2007, at 4:39 PM, W2AGN wrote: Well Said! Unfortunately, you will now be relegated to the classification of old-fuddy-duddy or worse by the MCE crowd. (MCE=Multiple Choice Extras). I'm not sure what you are implying. I took my tests in 1980 under a steely-eyed FCC examiner, and they were multiple-choice back then. Frankly, I'd rather judge people by their actions after they obtain their license, then by the path they took to get it. Amateur radio offers and incredible opportunity to learn. You couldn't possibly put it all on any test -- no one would ever be licensed. Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote: Not within a thousand years will man ever fly! -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word HAM
Bill wrote to John: I'm not sure what you are implying. I took my tests in 1980 under a steely-eyed FCC examiner, and they were multiple-choice back then. The FCC ham technical exams were multiple choice when I took my first one in 1968, and they had been at least as far back as the early 1950s when my Dad took his. The only FCC technical exams that were not ALL multiple choice was/is the one for First and Second Class Commercial Radiotelegraph License (both classes use the same technical exam), and even those exams are still 90 percent multiple choice (or at least they were nearly 30 years ago when I took the exam). The reference in the original post may be to the fact that for several years after the FCC dropped the one minute perfect copy out of five minutes sent standard, they used multiple choice exams for the *Morse* test after the sending was over. That didn't last long. Mike / KK5F ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word HAM
Mike Morrow wrote: The FCC ham technical exams were multiple choice when I took my first one in 1968, and they had been at least as far back as the early 1950s when my Dad took his. The only FCC technical exams that were not ALL multiple choice was/is the one for First and Second Class Commercial Radiotelegraph License (both classes use the same technical exam), and even those exams are still 90 percent multiple choice (or at least they were nearly 30 years ago when I took the exam). I am absolutely certain that when I took my Extra and my 1st Phone in 1960, I had to draw schematics for both. I also remember doing a lot of slide-rule calculations, but I can't remember if the questions were m/c or fill-in-the-blank. I *think* (but am not sure) that the General Class test that I took in '57 also had at least one schematic. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word HAM
When I took my general in 1961 at the LA Federal Building, I had to draw a schematic of a Colpitt's Osc. They weren't specific if it had to be solid state or Vacuum tube, so I drew the solid state version I thought I knew best. Al WA6VNN ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word HAM
The theory was bad enough but what about the 20WPM code. Had to go back three times before I got it. Had an awful time. I guess that's one of the reasons I hated to see the cw requirement go. It was so hard for me but if you want it bad enough etc. etc. Cheers, jim/k2hn --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I took my general in 1961 at the LA Federal Building, I had to draw a schematic of a Colpitt's Osc. They weren't specific if it had to be solid state or Vacuum tube, so I drew the solid state version I thought I knew best. Al WA6VNN ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word HAM
Oh I don't know, I aced the code and the written first time, or at least thats what the FCC guy told me. I always felt like the Advanced was a waste for me it didn't give any extra CW space. I can still do 20wpm, but I hate that fast now, I'd rather put around at 14 or 15. hi Jerry - NR5A - South Dakota - Original Message - From: Jim Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft Post Message Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word HAM The theory was bad enough but what about the 20WPM code. Had to go back three times before I got it. Had an awful time. I guess that's one of the reasons I hated to see the cw requirement go. It was so hard for me but if you want it bad enough etc. etc. Cheers, jim/k2hn --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I took my general in 1961 at the LA Federal Building, I had to draw a schematic of a Colpitt's Osc. They weren't specific if it had to be solid state or Vacuum tube, so I drew the solid state version I thought I knew best. Al WA6VNN ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word HAM
We can still do it but just do it a little slower -hi jim/k2hn --- nr5a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh I don't know, I aced the code and the written first time, or at least thats what the FCC guy told me. I always felt like the Advanced was a waste for me it didn't give any extra CW space. I can still do 20wpm, but I hate that fast now, I'd rather put around at 14 or 15. hi Jerry - NR5A - South Dakota - Original Message - From: Jim Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft Post Message Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word HAM The theory was bad enough but what about the 20WPM code. Had to go back three times before I got it. Had an awful time. I guess that's one of the reasons I hated to see the cw requirement go. It was so hard for me but if you want it bad enough etc. etc. Cheers, jim/k2hn --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I took my general in 1961 at the LA Federal Building, I had to draw a schematic of a Colpitt's Osc. They weren't specific if it had to be solid state or Vacuum tube, so I drew the solid state version I thought I knew best. Al WA6VNN ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word HAM
On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:15:40 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Mike Morrow wrote: Bill wrote to John: I'm not sure what you are implying. I took my tests in 1980 under a steely-eyed FCC examiner, and they were multiple-choice back then. When I saw Bill's comment I looked into the mirror. My grey eyes did look a bit steely! The FCC ham technical exams were multiple choice when I took my first one in 1968, and they had been at least as far back as the early 1950s when my Dad took his. In 1952 I took my ham Novice and Tech exam (the Tech written was the same as the General in those days) and all the questions were multiple choice except for one or two in the Tech/General exam which were correct the diagram types. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word ham
Mike K4ELV wrote: I certainly agree with Jozef. There is something called tradition. We are hams, and should be proud of that title. It took much effort in days past, unlike today. When I recieved my Extra class license it meant something other than the fact of successfully memorizing some answers. We now have Extra class operators. The FCC changed ham radio in order to get more numbers. Never mind quality, let's have numbers. Never mind the traditions. By the way I do remember my Elmer from 1956. Mike K4ELV - I agree with you and Jozef. Geoff GM4ESD A Ham since 1946 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word ham
END OF THREAD - Please. (I thought I ended this yesterday... :-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ List Moderator ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word ham
[EMAIL PROTECTED],net wrote: I certainly agree with Jozef. There is something called tradition. We are hams, and should be proud of that title. It took much effort in days past, unlike today. When I recieved my Extra class license it meant something other than the fact of successfully memorizing some answers. We now have Extra class operators. The FCC changed ham radio in order to get more numbers. Never mind quality, let's have numbers. Never mind the traditions. By the way I do remember my Elmer from 1956. Mike K4ELV __ Well Said! Unfortunately, you will now be relegated to the classification of old-fuddy-duddy or worse by the MCE crowd. (MCE=Multiple Choice Extras). -- --- _____ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn check out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QRPariahs/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
