Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:58:27 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: I understand that but I'm not so sure that both adjustment while hearing the pitch and adjustment while hearing a signal is needed. Why not just adjustment while hearing sigs? Brett, You got me... if while adjusting the pitch we could hear the signal I can't think of any reason to prefer the sidetone. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:16:16 -0700, Keith N1AS wrote: I don't disagree at all Drew. I would fancy having the RIT / XIT knob operate as a CW Pitch control so one knob could vary all required parameters in real time. Until that day comes, I'm thinking I can get most of the functionality using 2 knobs (RIT Shift). Actually, using 2 knobs makes me feel more like a real ham radio operator since I'm actually using 2 knobs plus my brain to make an adjustment LOL! - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - Well, Keith... the next thing you will be telling me is you prefer a straight key or bug over a keyer... hee,hee. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
-Original Message- Actually, using 2 knobs makes me feel more like a real ham radio operator since I'm actually using 2 knobs plus my brain to make an adjustment LOL! - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - Well, Keith... the next thing you will be telling me is you prefer a straight key or bug over a keyer... hee,hee. -- Awe, man, Drew, you've ratted me out! If you look on my operating desk, you'll see a straight key hooked in parallel with a bug. My paddles are on a shelf in the same room but safely tucked away in a zip lock bag to keep dust off. My microphone is ... well, give me a few minutes ... I know I have one ... somewhere :-) Your other point not needing to hear the sidetone to adjust pitch (just do it using the RX signal) is a good one. I think most times, adjusting offset while listening to the receiver and just having the sidetone pitch follow along would be just fine. But, if some crazy OT has decided to adjust RIT and SHIFT, then the received pitch will thrown off. Other than that, I think the idea is a grand one! I guess if I had the choice between adjusting pitch only while hearing the sidetone or only while hearing the received signal, I'd choose the latter - assuming I still get the pitch readout in Hz during the adjustment. 73 all! - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
Jim Brown wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:42:17 -0400, n4lq wrote: Using a set of computer speakers which have their own gain control Most speakers with built-in electronics have RFI problems! Indeed they do. If you have a GSM phone, each text message is announced with a rattle rattle rattle in the computer speakers. LA4RT Jon, Trondheim, Norway ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
Yes, PITCH would seem like a good choice for the signal pitch adjustment. Or perhaps signal pitch could be made an additional option for the RIT/XIT control when RIT/XIT is off? (RIT is already an optional coarse tune control and has also been suggested as an optional band switch.) For sidetone pitch adjustment, perhaps MON could allow it with a 2nd push? Then you'd have sidetone pitch and volume with a single control. Makes sense? 73, Drew AF2Z On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:50:48 -0400, Steve Ellington wrote: How about eliminating the tone when pushing either pitch or mon and only producint the tone when pushing spot? That seems like a good compromise. That way we could change pitch or st level mid-QSO and still have the tone available when we want it. Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:21:17 -0500, Nick, WA5BDU wrote: Adjust pitch without hearing it? I can't imagine that. I wasn't suggesting that the ability to adjust sidetone pitch be eliminated. Merely that we have the additional ability to interactively adjust the pitch of the received signal. Yes, both pitches are the same. But as it is now you cannot hear the effect on the signal itself while adjusting PITCH-- the received audio is cut off and the sidetone comes on. This makes it difficult to tell what pitch is optimum for the particular signal and the given reception conditions. IOW, I don't really care what the sidetone pitch is-- one is as good as another. It is the offset pitch of the signal that is important. So why not be able to adjust it for best copy under current conditions? We can adjust the volume of a signal while listening to it; so why not the pitch? Depending on noise, QRM, keying characteristics, speed, etc. you might want to alter the pitch for better copy. I think it would be useful. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
Sidetone pitch and signal pitch should always be the same. Otherwise its kinda hard to zerobeat a station to make sure the auto zero beat did things right. I realize there are too many people who don't understand how to zero beat a station but that doesn't mean we should add functionality to make it even harder for people to do things right. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:25 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions Yes, PITCH would seem like a good choice for the signal pitch adjustment. Or perhaps signal pitch could be made an additional option for the RIT/XIT control when RIT/XIT is off? (RIT is already an optional coarse tune control and has also been suggested as an optional band switch.) For sidetone pitch adjustment, perhaps MON could allow it with a 2nd push? Then you'd have sidetone pitch and volume with a single control. Makes sense? 73, Drew AF2Z On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:50:48 -0400, Steve Ellington wrote: How about eliminating the tone when pushing either pitch or mon and only producint the tone when pushing spot? That seems like a good compromise. That way we could change pitch or st level mid-QSO and still have the tone available when we want it. Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:21:17 -0500, Nick, WA5BDU wrote: Adjust pitch without hearing it? I can't imagine that. I wasn't suggesting that the ability to adjust sidetone pitch be eliminated. Merely that we have the additional ability to interactively adjust the pitch of the received signal. Yes, both pitches are the same. But as it is now you cannot hear the effect on the signal itself while adjusting PITCH-- the received audio is cut off and the sidetone comes on. This makes it difficult to tell what pitch is optimum for the particular signal and the given reception conditions. IOW, I don't really care what the sidetone pitch is-- one is as good as another. It is the offset pitch of the signal that is important. So why not be able to adjust it for best copy under current conditions? We can adjust the volume of a signal while listening to it; so why not the pitch? Depending on noise, QRM, keying characteristics, speed, etc. you might want to alter the pitch for better copy. I think it would be useful. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
Brett, I'm not suggesting that offset pitch and sidetone pitch be different. They are the same. I'm suggesting that sometimes you want to adjust this pitch by listening to the sidetone and sometimes you want to adjust it by listening to the received signal. Currently you can't hear the signal while you adjust PITCH-- the received audio is blocked. Why would you want to vary the signal pitch? Because a different pitch can provide better copy under different reception condtions. But it's pretty hard to tell what that optimum pitch might be without listening to the signal as you adjust it, right? Now, you can vary the VFO in order to change the signal's pitch, but then you have detuned it. I want to vary the pitch of a signal without detuning it. The K3 can do this, only it doesn't let us hear the signal while doing it. 73, Drew AF2Z On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:50:15 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: Sidetone pitch and signal pitch should always be the same. Otherwise its kinda hard to zerobeat a station to make sure the auto zero beat did things right. I realize there are too many people who don't understand how to zero beat a station but that doesn't mean we should add functionality to make it even harder for people to do things right. :) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
-Original Message from Drew, AF2Z - Why would you want to vary the signal pitch? Because a different pitch can provide better copy under different reception condtions. But it's pretty hard to tell what that optimum pitch might be without listening to the signal as you adjust it, right? Now, you can vary the VFO in order to change the signal's pitch, but then you have detuned it. I want to vary the pitch of a signal without detuning it. The K3 can do this, only it doesn't let us hear the signal while doing it. --- Which brings us to the old fashioned way to adjust the pitch of the RX signal - RIT. It keeps the TX on the same frequency and as long as you don't adjust it too far, the signal will stay in the passband. Better yet, combine it with an IF Shift and you can go farther with RIT while keeping the signal where you want it in the passband. Do I remember correctly? Didn't the TS-930s have a CW Offset control that would adjust sidetone pitch, TX-RX offset and IF Shift at the same time? I used to want one of those rigs something bad. Then I borrowed one for a weekend and decided I liked my TenTec Corsair II better. - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
I understand that but I'm not so sure that both adjustment while hearing the pitch and adjustment while hearing a signal is needed. Why not just adjustment while hearing sigs? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:21 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions Brett, I'm not suggesting that offset pitch and sidetone pitch be different. They are the same. I'm suggesting that sometimes you want to adjust this pitch by listening to the sidetone and sometimes you want to adjust it by listening to the received signal. Currently you can't hear the signal while you adjust PITCH-- the received audio is blocked. Why would you want to vary the signal pitch? Because a different pitch can provide better copy under different reception condtions. But it's pretty hard to tell what that optimum pitch might be without listening to the signal as you adjust it, right? Now, you can vary the VFO in order to change the signal's pitch, but then you have detuned it. I want to vary the pitch of a signal without detuning it. The K3 can do this, only it doesn't let us hear the signal while doing it. 73, Drew AF2Z On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:50:15 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: Sidetone pitch and signal pitch should always be the same. Otherwise its kinda hard to zerobeat a station to make sure the auto zero beat did things right. I realize there are too many people who don't understand how to zero beat a station but that doesn't mean we should add functionality to make it even harder for people to do things right. :) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:41:24 -0700, Keith N1AS wrote: Which brings us to the old fashioned way to adjust the pitch of the RX signal - RIT. It keeps the TX on the same frequency and as long as you don't adjust it too far, the signal will stay in the passband. Better yet, combine it with an IF Shift and you can go farther with RIT while keeping the signal where you want it in the passband. Keith, Say you have managed to tune in a very weak signal to the very optimum... no further adjustment on the K3 controls could improve it. Except, your offset is 400 Hz; but some combination of QRM, noise, his code speed, keying characteristics and your own psycho-acoustics would make it easier to copy at, say, 800 Hz. Turning the VFO (or RIT) 400 Hz will put him out of the passband (then use SHIFT, etc, i know...). Why not just be able to vary the pitch; the K3 keeps the signal centered in the passband. This seems like the obvious simple solution. I wonder if it would be possible to just have received audio when PITCH is engaged. Then we could turn the sidetone volume to zero and observe the pitch variation of the received signals directly. It is a little clumsy but I wouldn't mind and I don't think this feature would upset anyone with more control functions, etc. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
I don't disagree at all Drew. I would fancy having the RIT / XIT knob operate as a CW Pitch control so one knob could vary all required parameters in real time. Until that day comes, I'm thinking I can get most of the functionality using 2 knobs (RIT Shift). Actually, using 2 knobs makes me feel more like a real ham radio operator since I'm actually using 2 knobs plus my brain to make an adjustment LOL! - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - -Original Message- Say you have managed to tune in a very weak signal to the very optimum... no further adjustment on the K3 controls could improve it. Except, your offset is 400 Hz; but some combination of QRM, noise, his code speed, keying characteristics and your own psycho-acoustics would make it easier to copy at, say, 800 Hz. Turning the VFO (or RIT) 400 Hz will put him out of the passband (then use SHIFT, etc, i know...). Why not just be able to vary the pitch; the K3 keeps the signal centered in the passband. This seems like the obvious simple solution. I wonder if it would be possible to just have received audio when PITCH is engaged. Then we could turn the sidetone volume to zero and observe the pitch variation of the received signals directly. It is a little clumsy but I wouldn't mind and I don't think this feature would upset anyone with more control functions, etc. -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
Yea this is kinda what I figured would need to happen. I wasn't sure though so I wasn't going to speak on it till I'd gotten a chance to go home and try it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:18 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:41:24 -0700, Keith N1AS wrote: Which brings us to the old fashioned way to adjust the pitch of the RX signal - RIT. It keeps the TX on the same frequency and as long as you don't adjust it too far, the signal will stay in the passband. Better yet, combine it with an IF Shift and you can go farther with RIT while keeping the signal where you want it in the passband. Keith, Say you have managed to tune in a very weak signal to the very optimum... no further adjustment on the K3 controls could improve it. Except, your offset is 400 Hz; but some combination of QRM, noise, his code speed, keying characteristics and your own psycho-acoustics would make it easier to copy at, say, 800 Hz. Turning the VFO (or RIT) 400 Hz will put him out of the passband (then use SHIFT, etc, i know...). Why not just be able to vary the pitch; the K3 keeps the signal centered in the passband. This seems like the obvious simple solution. I wonder if it would be possible to just have received audio when PITCH is engaged. Then we could turn the sidetone volume to zero and observe the pitch variation of the received signals directly. It is a little clumsy but I wouldn't mind and I don't think this feature would upset anyone with more control functions, etc. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
CW sidetone should follow the AF gain control and be adjustable so they are about the same level. Why would anyone want a fixed sidetone level? Changing from speaker to headphones requires readjustment of the sidetone level. When the xyl turns on the washing machine, I have to turn up the AF gain then the sidetone is buried in noise so I have to crank it up. Many of us with Omni VI's performed a simple mod that allowed sidetone to track with the AF gain. Kenwood got it right with tracking sidetone. I think most Icoms do too. Yaesu was really bad. On the MP you had to reach behind the rig and find a little knob to change sidetone level!! So if there were some way to merge sidetone into AF gain, I would love it...73 Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Brett Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:53 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer? Do you like things better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed output regardless of the AF knob. Or is the way the K1 does things more preferred. The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor as an offset from the RX level. So you set the monitor level and it gets louder or quieter as you adjust the AF Gain. My personal preference is the K1 method. I like this because if my wife is sleeping then I like to turn down the volume (if not go all the way and use headphones). I like to have the sidetone go down as well rather than make a separate adjustment. I'm not asking for any changes. Just curious to hear the thoughts of others on this topic. ~Brett (KC7OTG) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1576 - Release Date: 7/27/2008 4:16 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
In a recent message, n4lq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ... CW sidetone should follow the AF gain control and be adjustable so they are about the same level. ... Many of us with Omni VI's performed a simple mod that allowed sidetone to track with the AF gain. Yes, Steve, but on here we're talking about the Elecraft K3 on which the sidetone level is a simple matter of just pushing and turning a knob. Do try a K3 sometime and you will find how simple it is. 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
n4lq wrote: CW sidetone should follow the AF gain control and be adjustable so they are about the same level. IMO absolutely not. Sidetone level should have a separate level adjust. 73 Jim SM2EKM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
David I do have the K3 and know how to adjust the sidetone. I just prefer having the AF gain and sidetone track to one control. Also, I like to be able to adjust the sidetone level while sending CW which you can't do on the K3. When you push the mon button you get a constant sidetone. You cannot hear the other guy sending no can you send cw yourself while doing this. This is very weird and I have never seen a rig act like this. It's not a deal breaker but it sure seems crude. Rigs such as the IC-756PRO have a little sidetone level knob that allows you to simply increase or decrease the sidetone level while sending or receiving with no interruptions. That's how it should be. Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: n4lq [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions In a recent message, n4lq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ... CW sidetone should follow the AF gain control and be adjustable so they are about the same level. ... Many of us with Omni VI's performed a simple mod that allowed sidetone to track with the AF gain. Yes, Steve, but on here we're talking about the Elecraft K3 on which the sidetone level is a simple matter of just pushing and turning a knob. Do try a K3 sometime and you will find how simple it is. 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1576 - Release Date: 7/27/2008 4:16 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
I don't adjust the sidetone level very often. Not sure I'd like to have it vary with the AF Gain. I think I like having it as a reference audio level. Mine is set at 25. What I would like is the option to adjust the PITCH without hearing the sidetone. In other words, listening to a weak signal I want to adjust it's pitch (offset) for best copy. Different signal conditions can warrant the use of different pitches for optimum copy. But you can't do this with the sidetone overriding the received audio. Even if you set the sideone level to zero the received audio is blocked whenever PITCH is on. 73, Drew AF2Z On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:53:14 -0700, Brett (KC7OTG) wrote: ?Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer? Do you like things better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed output regardless of the AF knob. Or is the way the K1 does things more preferred. The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor as an offset from the RX level. So you set the monitor level and it gets louder or quieter as you adjust the AF Gain. My personal preference is the K1 method. I like this because if my wife is sleeping then I like to turn down the volume (if not go all the way and use headphones). I like to have the sidetone go down as well rather than make a separate adjustment. I'm not asking for any changes. Just curious to hear the thoughts of others on this topic. ~Brett (KC7OTG) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
Again I agree. Changing the sidetone level or pitch requires us to listen to the constant tone which covers up everything. I think the intent was good but a bit impractical. Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions I don't adjust the sidetone level very often. Not sure I'd like to have it vary with the AF Gain. I think I like having it as a reference audio level. Mine is set at 25. What I would like is the option to adjust the PITCH without hearing the sidetone. In other words, listening to a weak signal I want to adjust it's pitch (offset) for best copy. Different signal conditions can warrant the use of different pitches for optimum copy. But you can't do this with the sidetone overriding the received audio. Even if you set the sideone level to zero the received audio is blocked whenever PITCH is on. 73, Drew AF2Z On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:53:14 -0700, Brett (KC7OTG) wrote: ?Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer? Do you like things better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed output regardless of the AF knob. Or is the way the K1 does things more preferred. The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor as an offset from the RX level. So you set the monitor level and it gets louder or quieter as you adjust the AF Gain. My personal preference is the K1 method. I like this because if my wife is sleeping then I like to turn down the volume (if not go all the way and use headphones). I like to have the sidetone go down as well rather than make a separate adjustment. I'm not asking for any changes. Just curious to hear the thoughts of others on this topic. ~Brett (KC7OTG) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
I have to agree with Steve on this. I'm a CW operator. I would like to have the sidetone track volume, while still being able to adjust the mix ratio, preferably while working CW. After FD this year one fellow asked me an excellent question: What don't you like about the K3? I had been answering K3 questions all weekend, but I wasn't prepared for that one. The single gripe I could come up with was the sidetone volume adjustment. As Steve says, it's not a deal breaker. We both own K3's. 73, john WA1ABI I do have the K3 and know how to adjust the sidetone. I just prefer having the AF gain and sidetone track to one control. Also, I like to be able to adjust the sidetone level while sending CW which you can't do on the K3. When you push the mon button you get a constant sidetone. You cannot hear the other guy sending no can you send cw yourself while doing this. This is very weird and I have never seen a rig act like this. It's not a deal breaker Steve Ellington ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
I too am a CW operator but I greatly prefer the sidetone NOT track with the AF gain control. I want them separate so that I can adjust the mix on the fly. Rather than trying to adjust sidetone volume, I set it and leave it alone. If I want more sidetone, I turn the AF gain down which is simple rather than trying to turn the sidetone up. - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John King Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions I have to agree with Steve on this. I'm a CW operator. I would like to have the sidetone track volume, while still being able to adjust the mix ratio, preferably while working CW. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
Before you put your waking shoes on, consider that just maybe I'm the weird one LOL! By turning down the AF gain, I'm increasing the sidetone-to-band-noise ratio, making the sidetone easier to hear. This assumes the sidetone is loud enough but is being masked by the loud band noise since the AF gain is way up to copy that weak signal. Enjoy your walk. I'm jealous. I have to stay at my desk and keep working ... :-) - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - -Original Message- From: n4lq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions If I want more sidetone, I turn the AF gain down which is simple rather than trying to turn the sidetone up. Obviously I missed something in life. Turning down the AF gain to get more sidetone? Ok..I'm going to take a walk and get some fresh air. Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
Sidetone level should be independently adjustable IMO. I use headphones. When operating QSK, if I've run up the AF gain to hear a weak station, I don't want to be blasted by high sidetone level when I start sending, as would be the case if sidetone level tracked the AF gain. I don't want to have to adjust the AF gain control between sending and receiving under those circumstances to control the sidetone level. Bob NW8L On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Brett Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer? Do you like things better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed output regardless of the AF knob. Or is the way the K1 does things more preferred. The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor as an offset from the RX level. So you set the monitor level and it gets louder or quieter as you adjust the AF Gain. My personal preference is the K1 method. I like this because if my wife is sleeping then I like to turn down the volume (if not go all the way and use headphones). I like to have the sidetone go down as well rather than make a separate adjustment. I'm not asking for any changes. Just curious to hear the thoughts of others on this topic. ~Brett (KC7OTG) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
Good point and there's probably no one answer to this therefore it should be made configurable. At least, the constant tone feature for level and pitch should be optional. Basically, if I could just reach for a knob and turn it when I want to change sidetone level during a QSO, I would be happy. Oh..heck...I'm already happy but this gives us something to discuss. Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bob Cunnings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions Sidetone level should be independently adjustable IMO. I use headphones. When operating QSK, if I've run up the AF gain to hear a weak station, I don't want to be blasted by high sidetone level when I start sending, as would be the case if sidetone level tracked the AF gain. I don't want to have to adjust the AF gain control between sending and receiving under those circumstances to control the sidetone level. Bob NW8L On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Brett Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer? Do you like things better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed output regardless of the AF knob. Or is the way the K1 does things more preferred. The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor as an offset from the RX level. So you set the monitor level and it gets louder or quieter as you adjust the AF Gain. My personal preference is the K1 method. I like this because if my wife is sleeping then I like to turn down the volume (if not go all the way and use headphones). I like to have the sidetone go down as well rather than make a separate adjustment. I'm not asking for any changes. Just curious to hear the thoughts of others on this topic. ~Brett (KC7OTG) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:16:11 -0600, Bob Cunnings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, After reading all the posts to date on this topic, I have decided what my opinion is: Go ahead and change it, but if you do, please add another feature that allows myself and others who would surely not like it at all, to turn the feature off. I'm a 63 year old, 46 year CW operator and CW SWL buff, military trained. 73, Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
After reading posts here I'm not 100% sure what my opinion is... I'm pretty happy either way... I was mostly curious to hear what the peanut gallery thought. Seems this is another one that everyone is different on... Thankfully its also another one that is easy to deal with if its not the way you prefer. ~Brett (KC7OTG) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Childers, N5GE Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:09 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:16:11 -0600, Bob Cunnings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, After reading all the posts to date on this topic, I have decided what my opinion is: Go ahead and change it, but if you do, please add another feature that allows myself and others who would surely not like it at all, to turn the feature off. I'm a 63 year old, 46 year CW operator and CW SWL buff, military trained. 73, Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:16:11 -0600, Bob Cunnings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sidetone level should be independently adjustable IMO. I use headphones. When operating QSK, if I've run up the AF gain to hear a weak station, I don't want to be blasted by high sidetone level when I start sending, as would be the case if sidetone level tracked the AF gain. I don't want to have to adjust the AF gain control between sending and receiving under those circumstances to control the sidetone level. Bob NW8L Sorry Bob for deleting you response in my first reply. Your explanation is spot on. Folks, After reading all the posts to date on this topic, I have decided what my opinion is: Go ahead and change it, but if you do, please add another feature that allows myself and others who would surely not like it at all, to turn the feature off. I'm a 63 year old, 46 year CW operator and CW SWL buff, military trained. 73, Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
Allow the PITCH to be changed without having to listen to the tone or with the tone. Allow the sidetone level to be changed without having to listen to it or with the tone.. Allow the sidetone to be independently controlled (and be able to change it while you are transmitting) or AF Gain controlled. Personally I like the PITCH to be adjustable without having to listen to it. And the sidetone adjustable without having to listen to it. And the sidetone level independent of the AF Gain control. And I'd like to be able to record both the TX and RX audio at a fixed level rather than have the level controlled by the AF Gain! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions I don't adjust the sidetone level very often. Not sure I'd like to have it vary with the AF Gain. I think I like having it as a reference audio level. Mine is set at 25. What I would like is the option to adjust the PITCH without hearing the sidetone. In other words, listening to a weak signal I want to adjust it's pitch (offset) for best copy. Different signal conditions can warrant the use of different pitches for optimum copy. But you can't do this with the sidetone overriding the received audio. Even if you set the sideone level to zero the received audio is blocked whenever PITCH is on. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
Then there are those of us who set the AF gain and forget it, since we use the RF gain control to adjust the volume for each signal. Whether or not the sidetone level tracks the audio gain is of little concern. We turn off the AGC, so its characteristics are of no consequence. We give *real* signal reports based on what we hear, not on what an S-Meter tells us. There's a reason why a great many radiomen have preferred to operate that way over the years. For many of us, it's the easiest, fastest, and surest way to hear signals at their best. Frequently it's easier to do the simple stuff ourselves instead of expecting a box of parts and a gazillion lines of code to do it for us... Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Dear Ron, Hear ! Hear ! You have said it so very well. My kudos ! TR, WB6TMY At 11:03 AM 7/28/2008 -0700, you wrote: Then there are those of us who set the AF gain and forget it, since we use the RF gain control to adjust the volume for each signal. Whether or not the sidetone level tracks the audio gain is of little concern. We turn off the AGC, so its characteristics are of no consequence. We give *real* signal reports based on what we hear, not on what an S-Meter tells us. There's a reason why a great many radiomen have preferred to operate that way over the years. For many of us, it's the easiest, fastest, and surest way to hear signals at their best. Frequently it's easier to do the simple stuff ourselves instead of expecting a box of parts and a gazillion lines of code to do it for us... Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Tel: . . . 707-832-4304 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
I've been very happy with the AGC-NR on the K3, so turning off AGC is starting to become a last resort for me. And the configurable AGC parameters give you a lot of options, not one AGC fits all. (I do adjust the RF gain even with AGC on.) I also give signal reports corresponding to the s-meter reading. This is convenient with the K3's absolute meter mode (doesn't matter whether attenuator or preamp is on). It's just for my own interest, comparing signal strengths at the antenna terminals. Can't see why I wouldn't want to record them as long as I'm going to the trouble of making RST notations anyway. 73, Drew AF2Z On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:03:27 -0700, Ron AC7AC wrote: Then there are those of us who set the AF gain and forget it, since we use the RF gain control to adjust the volume for each signal. Whether or not the sidetone level tracks the audio gain is of little concern. We turn off the AGC, so its characteristics are of no consequence. We give *real* signal reports based on what we hear, not on what an S-Meter tells us. There's a reason why a great many radiomen have preferred to operate that way over the years. For many of us, it's the easiest, fastest, and surest way to hear signals at their best. Frequently it's easier to do the simple stuff ourselves instead of expecting a box of parts and a gazillion lines of code to do it for us... Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:03:27 -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there are those of us who set the AF gain and forget it, since we use the RF gain control to adjust the volume for each signal. Whether or not the sidetone level tracks the audio gain is of little concern. We turn off the AGC, so its characteristics are of no consequence. We give *real* signal reports based on what we hear, not on what an S-Meter tells us. There's a reason why a great many radiomen have preferred to operate that way over the years. For many of us, it's the easiest, fastest, and surest way to hear signals at their best. Frequently it's easier to do the simple stuff ourselves instead of expecting a box of parts and a gazillion lines of code to do it for us... Ron AC7AC Exactly. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
I hadn't noticed that they didn't track until this thread, so I guess status quo is OK with me. Just now, I found that in swapping between speaker and phones, I do not feel the need to adjust the sidetone level. While transmitting ... well, it can be disconcerting to start transmitting full QSK and the band noise is so loud you can't hear your sidetone. But as one poster said, you could turn down the AF gain in that case as a quick interim cure. During noisy contests, I like the keep the sidetone level high. A dedicated knob would be nice, but not worth the panel space for just that function. I'm well pleased with the ease of accessing both pitch and sidetone level -- much easier than on the FT-1000 I sold to buy the K3. Adjust pitch without hearing it? I can't imagine that. Bonus opinion: I like the CCW for less bandwidth of the Width control. Can I have a little more banjo in the monitor? 73--Nick, WA5BDU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
Using a set of computer speakers which have their own gain control allows you to adjust the overall AF gain, including the sidetone then use the AF gain control on the K3 to adjust for band noise. That's how I avoid having to fiddle with the sidetone level. Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Nick-WA5BDU [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions I hadn't noticed that they didn't track until this thread, so I guess status quo is OK with me. Just now, I found that in swapping between speaker and phones, I do not feel the need to adjust the sidetone level. While transmitting ... well, it can be disconcerting to start transmitting full QSK and the band noise is so loud you can't hear your sidetone. But as one poster said, you could turn down the AF gain in that case as a quick interim cure. During noisy contests, I like the keep the sidetone level high. A dedicated knob would be nice, but not worth the panel space for just that function. I'm well pleased with the ease of accessing both pitch and sidetone level -- much easier than on the FT-1000 I sold to buy the K3. Adjust pitch without hearing it? I can't imagine that. Bonus opinion: I like the CCW for less bandwidth of the Width control. Can I have a little more banjo in the monitor? 73--Nick, WA5BDU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1578 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 5:13 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:42:17 -0400, n4lq wrote: Using a set of computer speakers which have their own gain control Most speakers with built-in electronics have RFI problems! 73, Jim K9YC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:21:17 -0500, Nick, WA5BDU wrote: Adjust pitch without hearing it? I can't imagine that. I wasn't suggesting that the ability to adjust sidetone pitch be eliminated. Merely that we have the additional ability to interactively adjust the pitch of the received signal. Yes, both pitches are the same. But as it is now you cannot hear the effect on the signal itself while adjusting PITCH-- the received audio is cut off and the sidetone comes on. This makes it difficult to tell what pitch is optimum for the particular signal and the given reception conditions. IOW, I don't really care what the sidetone pitch is-- one is as good as another. It is the offset pitch of the signal that is important. So why not be able to adjust it for best copy under current conditions? We can adjust the volume of a signal while listening to it; so why not the pitch? Depending on noise, QRM, keying characteristics, speed, etc. you might want to alter the pitch for better copy. I think it would be useful. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions
How about eliminating the tone when pushing either pitch or mon and only producint the tone when pushing spot? That seems like a good compromise. That way we could change pitch or st level mid-QSO and still have the tone available when we want it. Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:21:17 -0500, Nick, WA5BDU wrote: Adjust pitch without hearing it? I can't imagine that. I wasn't suggesting that the ability to adjust sidetone pitch be eliminated. Merely that we have the additional ability to interactively adjust the pitch of the received signal. Yes, both pitches are the same. But as it is now you cannot hear the effect on the signal itself while adjusting PITCH-- the received audio is cut off and the sidetone comes on. This makes it difficult to tell what pitch is optimum for the particular signal and the given reception conditions. IOW, I don't really care what the sidetone pitch is-- one is as good as another. It is the offset pitch of the signal that is important. So why not be able to adjust it for best copy under current conditions? We can adjust the volume of a signal while listening to it; so why not the pitch? Depending on noise, QRM, keying characteristics, speed, etc. you might want to alter the pitch for better copy. I think it would be useful. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1578 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 5:13 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
