Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
Russia and its 'close friends' have recently been active in IEC, including inviting the big General Meeting to Vladivostok (!) last year. But consistency is not a marked trait in those countries. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2017-12-04 22:40, Pete Perkins wrote: John, et al, Well, it wasn’t too long ago that we were trying to understand the BRIC countries from a regulatory point of view. Brazil seems to have learned how to work the international system and is growing economically, especially in the medical area. China is quickly integrating into the international system growing an infrastructure to support it. India is working to get integrated into the international system. Russia has not figured out how to integrate with the international system (and seems to be backtracking from international business). Perhaps it’s time to more fully review wot’s going on in the world for our regulatory community and help folks get updated on such matters – in addition to the OJT stuff we do here piecemeal. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 p.perk...@ieee.org <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> *From:*John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] *Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 1:37 PM *To:* 'Pete Perkins' <peperkin...@cs.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* RE: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Pete Ref you 2^nd para, that was my preferred approach/advice re a CBA on certification costs, having, for decades and with quite a few companies, experienced at first hand the costs of a company *not *doing its homework first. Nevertheless, many marketing depts. (and some senior tech staff!) still ignored the reality of what they were letting themselves in for L. John E Allen W. London, UK *From:*Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] *Sent:* 04 December 2017 18:42 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian, John et al, So this points out that there are consequences for actions – even on the World level. I have learned from this exchange that I will advise manufacturers to only consider ‘expensive’ certifications if they can expect enough profit from their sales to cover the additional cost. (Gee, seems like that would have been the basis for consideration of such expense in any case). Anyway, a very interesting thread. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 p.perk...@ieee.org <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> *From:*John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] *Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 6:57 AM *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian If you (or anyone else) want to get some of the “Big Picture” in Russia (or many other countries as well), then go to this website http://www.cms-lawnow.com/country/russia and “explore”. Also very worthwhile signing up for the CMS LawNow newsletters which they send out about the legislation and changes in many areas of the World – you can choose the countries and subject areas in which you interested. You don’t have to pay anything to get the newsletters, but, of course, they would like you to contact them to follow-up on particular articles on some sort of paid consultancy basis. John E Allen W. London, UK *From:*Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] *Sent:* 04 December 2017 14:26 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Thanks to all who have posted on this subject. It has been most helpful. We are starting to get the “Big Picture”. We have looked over the “TRs” and our type of products are not listed as requiring mandatory testing, so for years our products has breezed right in. But recently, Russia want DoCs from a Russia lab on everything. They just performed EMC testing on a motor driven “prep machine for laboratory equipment” which has no high frequency components at all (which normally wouldn’t require any EMC testing). It cost more to get the DoC testing done then what the entire product sold for. If we cannot work with Russia and find a more reasonable way of doing business we might be forced to stop doing business with them all together. I hope it don’t come to that but that is the situation we are in. But then again, maybe that is what they want. Thanks again for your comments. The Other Brian *From:*Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08 AM *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EA
Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
John, et al, Well, it wasn't too long ago that we were trying to understand the BRIC countries from a regulatory point of view. Brazil seems to have learned how to work the international system and is growing economically, especially in the medical area. China is quickly integrating into the international system growing an infrastructure to support it. India is working to get integrated into the international system. Russia has not figured out how to integrate with the international system (and seems to be backtracking from international business). Perhaps it's time to more fully review wot's going on in the world for our regulatory community and help folks get updated on such matters - in addition to the OJT stuff we do here piecemeal. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:37 PM To: 'Pete Perkins' <peperkin...@cs.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Pete Ref you 2nd para, that was my preferred approach/advice re a CBA on certification costs, having, for decades and with quite a few companies, experienced at first hand the costs of a company not doing its homework first. Nevertheless, many marketing depts. (and some senior tech staff!) still ignored the reality of what they were letting themselves in for :(. John E Allen W. London, UK From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: 04 December 2017 18:42 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian, John et al, So this points out that there are consequences for actions - even on the World level. I have learned from this exchange that I will advise manufacturers to only consider 'expensive' certifications if they can expect enough profit from their sales to cover the additional cost. (Gee, seems like that would have been the basis for consideration of such expense in any case). Anyway, a very interesting thread. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:57 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian If you (or anyone else) want to get some of the "Big Picture" in Russia (or many other countries as well), then go to this website http://www.cms-lawnow.com/country/russia and "explore". Also very worthwhile signing up for the CMS LawNow newsletters which they send out about the legislation and changes in many areas of the World - you can choose the countries and subject areas in which you interested. You don't have to pay anything to get the newsletters, but, of course, they would like you to contact them to follow-up on particular articles on some sort of paid consultancy basis. John E Allen W. London, UK From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: 04 December 2017 14:26 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Thanks to all who have posted on this subject. It has been most helpful. We are starting to get the "Big Picture". We have looked over the "TRs" and our type of products are not listed as requiring mandatory testing, so for years our products has breezed right in. But recently, Russia want DoCs from a Russia lab on everything. They just performed EMC testing on a motor driven "prep machine for laboratory equipment" which has no high frequency components at all (which normally wouldn't require any EMC testing). It cost more to get the DoC testing done then what the entire product sold for. If we cannot work with Russia and find a more reasonable way of doing business we might be forced to stop doing business with them all together. I hope it don't come to that but that is the situation we are in. But then again, maybe that is what they want. Thanks again for your comments. The Other Brian From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing regulat
Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
Pete Ref you 2nd para, that was my preferred approach/advice re a CBA on certification costs, having, for decades and with quite a few companies, experienced at first hand the costs of a company not doing its homework first. Nevertheless, many marketing depts. (and some senior tech staff!) still ignored the reality of what they were letting themselves in for L. John E Allen W. London, UK From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: 04 December 2017 18:42 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian, John et al, So this points out that there are consequences for actions - even on the World level. I have learned from this exchange that I will advise manufacturers to only consider 'expensive' certifications if they can expect enough profit from their sales to cover the additional cost. (Gee, seems like that would have been the basis for consideration of such expense in any case). Anyway, a very interesting thread. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:57 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian If you (or anyone else) want to get some of the "Big Picture" in Russia (or many other countries as well), then go to this website http://www.cms-lawnow.com/country/russia and "explore". Also very worthwhile signing up for the CMS LawNow newsletters which they send out about the legislation and changes in many areas of the World - you can choose the countries and subject areas in which you interested. You don't have to pay anything to get the newsletters, but, of course, they would like you to contact them to follow-up on particular articles on some sort of paid consultancy basis. John E Allen W. London, UK From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: 04 December 2017 14:26 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Thanks to all who have posted on this subject. It has been most helpful. We are starting to get the "Big Picture". We have looked over the "TRs" and our type of products are not listed as requiring mandatory testing, so for years our products has breezed right in. But recently, Russia want DoCs from a Russia lab on everything. They just performed EMC testing on a motor driven "prep machine for laboratory equipment" which has no high frequency components at all (which normally wouldn't require any EMC testing). It cost more to get the DoC testing done then what the entire product sold for. If we cannot work with Russia and find a more reasonable way of doing business we might be forced to stop doing business with them all together. I hope it don't come to that but that is the situation we are in. But then again, maybe that is what they want. Thanks again for your comments. The Other Brian From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing regulations to erect trade barriers. Cortland Richmond 2017 5:45 PM, John Allen wrote: Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere! John E Allen W. London, UK From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian, I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their products. This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab. The other CU nation's certs were being rejected. I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements. But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could resume their exports to Russia. The big-name labs with global market access groups that I spoke with are aware of this. This was the status as of mid-summer. Best regards, Carl On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote: Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built eq
Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
Brian, John et al, So this points out that there are consequences for actions - even on the World level. I have learned from this exchange that I will advise manufacturers to only consider 'expensive' certifications if they can expect enough profit from their sales to cover the additional cost. (Gee, seems like that would have been the basis for consideration of such expense in any case). Anyway, a very interesting thread. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 6:57 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian If you (or anyone else) want to get some of the "Big Picture" in Russia (or many other countries as well), then go to this website http://www.cms-lawnow.com/country/russia and "explore". Also very worthwhile signing up for the CMS LawNow newsletters which they send out about the legislation and changes in many areas of the World - you can choose the countries and subject areas in which you interested. You don't have to pay anything to get the newsletters, but, of course, they would like you to contact them to follow-up on particular articles on some sort of paid consultancy basis. John E Allen W. London, UK From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: 04 December 2017 14:26 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Thanks to all who have posted on this subject. It has been most helpful. We are starting to get the "Big Picture". We have looked over the "TRs" and our type of products are not listed as requiring mandatory testing, so for years our products has breezed right in. But recently, Russia want DoCs from a Russia lab on everything. They just performed EMC testing on a motor driven "prep machine for laboratory equipment" which has no high frequency components at all (which normally wouldn't require any EMC testing). It cost more to get the DoC testing done then what the entire product sold for. If we cannot work with Russia and find a more reasonable way of doing business we might be forced to stop doing business with them all together. I hope it don't come to that but that is the situation we are in. But then again, maybe that is what they want. Thanks again for your comments. The Other Brian From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing regulations to erect trade barriers. Cortland Richmond 2017 5:45 PM, John Allen wrote: Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere! John E Allen W. London, UK From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian, I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their products. This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab. The other CU nation's certs were being rejected. I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements. But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could resume their exports to Russia. The big-name labs with global market access groups that I spoke with are aware of this. This was the status as of mid-summer. Best regards, Carl On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote: Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries without much trouble. However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia. Any information on this would be helpful. We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety,
Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
Cortland It's not actually just existing legislation - within the last few years Russia has introduced a number of new laws/regulations which specifically require that some or all of many products, activities, services and so on must be made/done within the country, and that "foreign" sources thereof must be minimised or completely eliminated wherever possible. John E Allen W. London, UK From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] Sent: 04 December 2017 10:08 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing regulations to erect trade barriers. Cortland Richmond 2017 5:45 PM, John Allen wrote: Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere! John E Allen W. London, UK From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian, I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their products. This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab. The other CU nation's certs were being rejected. I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements. But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could resume their exports to Russia. The big-name labs with global market access groups that I spoke with are aware of this. This was the status as of mid-summer. Best regards, Carl On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote: Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries without much trouble. However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia. Any information on this would be helpful. We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah. This approach is totally out of the question for the few products that we sell into this market. Let's be reasonable here. So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things. I would love to hear from you. Thanks for all comments and stories. The Other Brian _ LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: htt
Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
Brian If you (or anyone else) want to get some of the "Big Picture" in Russia (or many other countries as well), then go to this website http://www.cms-lawnow.com/country/russia and "explore". Also very worthwhile signing up for the CMS LawNow newsletters which they send out about the legislation and changes in many areas of the World - you can choose the countries and subject areas in which you interested. You don't have to pay anything to get the newsletters, but, of course, they would like you to contact them to follow-up on particular articles on some sort of paid consultancy basis. John E Allen W. London, UK From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: 04 December 2017 14:26 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Thanks to all who have posted on this subject. It has been most helpful. We are starting to get the "Big Picture". We have looked over the "TRs" and our type of products are not listed as requiring mandatory testing, so for years our products has breezed right in. But recently, Russia want DoCs from a Russia lab on everything. They just performed EMC testing on a motor driven "prep machine for laboratory equipment" which has no high frequency components at all (which normally wouldn't require any EMC testing). It cost more to get the DoC testing done then what the entire product sold for. If we cannot work with Russia and find a more reasonable way of doing business we might be forced to stop doing business with them all together. I hope it don't come to that but that is the situation we are in. But then again, maybe that is what they want. Thanks again for your comments. The Other Brian From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing regulations to erect trade barriers. Cortland Richmond 2017 5:45 PM, John Allen wrote: Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere! John E Allen W. London, UK From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian, I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their products. This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab. The other CU nation's certs were being rejected. I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements. But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could resume their exports to Russia. The big-name labs with global market access groups that I spoke with are aware of this. This was the status as of mid-summer. Best regards, Carl On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote: Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries without much trouble. However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia. Any information on this would be helpful. We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah. This approach is totally out of the question for the few products that we sell into this market. Let's be reasonable here. So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things. I would love to hear from you. Thanks for all comments and stories. The Other Brian _ LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ie
Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
Thanks to all who have posted on this subject. It has been most helpful. We are starting to get the "Big Picture". We have looked over the "TRs" and our type of products are not listed as requiring mandatory testing, so for years our products has breezed right in. But recently, Russia want DoCs from a Russia lab on everything. They just performed EMC testing on a motor driven "prep machine for laboratory equipment" which has no high frequency components at all (which normally wouldn't require any EMC testing). It cost more to get the DoC testing done then what the entire product sold for. If we cannot work with Russia and find a more reasonable way of doing business we might be forced to stop doing business with them all together. I hope it don't come to that but that is the situation we are in. But then again, maybe that is what they want. Thanks again for your comments. The Other Brian From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:k...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing regulations to erect trade barriers. Cortland Richmond 2017 5:45 PM, John Allen wrote: Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere! John E Allen W. London, UK From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian, I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their products. This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab. The other CU nation's certs were being rejected. I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements. But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could resume their exports to Russia. The big-name labs with global market access groups that I spoke with are aware of this. This was the status as of mid-summer. Best regards, Carl On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote: Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries without much trouble. However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia. Any information on this would be helpful. We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah. This approach is totally out of the question for the few products that we sell into this market. Let's be reasonable here. So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things. I would love to hear from you. Thanks for all comments and stories. The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org<mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org<mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org
Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
If so, it would not be the first time governments have used existing regulations to erect trade barriers. Cortland Richmond 2017 5:45 PM, John Allen wrote: Probably due to Putin’s desire to promote (by any means – including regulation!) for *everything* to be done in Russia, not elsewhere! John E Allen W. London, UK *From:*Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 03 December 2017 22:20 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian, I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their products. This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab. The other CU nation's certs were being rejected. I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements. But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could resume their exports to Russia. The big-name labs with global market access groups that I spoke with are aware of this. This was the status as of mid-summer. Best regards, Carl On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote: Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries without much trouble. However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia. Any information on this would be helpful. We have talked to a couple 3^rd party labs and of course they want the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah. This approach is totally out of the question for the few products that we sell into this market. Let’s be reasonable here. So far we haven’t had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things. I would love to hear from you. Thanks for all comments and stories. The Other Brian *LECO Corporation Notice:*This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org <mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org <mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com <mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org <mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw..
Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
PS: Now recalled that Russia is part of the "Eurasian Economic Community" (EEC!!), as is Belarus - but we don't need to guess which the dominant partner in "that" EEC is! John E Allen W/London, UK From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: 03 December 2017 23:10 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia JW That's almost certainly true - t'was ever the case, regardless of the continent/country J HOWEVER, since the trade sanctions on Russia after the Crimea takeover and the "invasions" in Ukraine began to bite, Russia has had a policy of promoting Russian self-reliance over anything else (in trade) in order to try to ensure that it can produce as much of what it needs from internal manufacturers/service providers, rather than allowing those products/services to be provided from non-Russian sources (even from their close Eastern European trading partners - there is an association name for those, but I can't think of what that is at the moment!) John E Allen W.London, UK From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: 03 December 2017 22:54 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Western Europe has been found to have some 'dodgy' test houses, too, so it may not be all political. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2017-12-03 22:45, John Allen wrote: Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere! John E Allen W. London, UK From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian, I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their products. This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab. The other CU nation's certs were being rejected. I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements. But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could resume their exports to Russia. The big-name labs with global market access groups that I spoke with are aware of this. This was the status as of mid-summer. Best regards, Carl On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote: Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries without much trouble. However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia. Any information on this would be helpful. We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah. This approach is totally out of the question for the few products that we sell into this market. Let's be reasonable here. So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things. I would love to hear from you. Thanks for all comments and stories. The Other Brian _ LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Ba
Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
JW That's almost certainly true - t'was ever the case, regardless of the continent/country J HOWEVER, since the trade sanctions on Russia after the Crimea takeover and the "invasions" in Ukraine began to bite, Russia has had a policy of promoting Russian self-reliance over anything else (in trade) in order to try to ensure that it can produce as much of what it needs from internal manufacturers/service providers, rather than allowing those products/services to be provided from non-Russian sources (even from their close Eastern European trading partners - there is an association name for those, but I can't think of what that is at the moment!) John E Allen W.London, UK From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: 03 December 2017 22:54 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Western Europe has been found to have some 'dodgy' test houses, too, so it may not be all political. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2017-12-03 22:45, John Allen wrote: Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere! John E Allen W. London, UK From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian, I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their products. This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab. The other CU nation's certs were being rejected. I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements. But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could resume their exports to Russia. The big-name labs with global market access groups that I spoke with are aware of this. This was the status as of mid-summer. Best regards, Carl On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote: Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries without much trouble. However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia. Any information on this would be helpful. We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah. This approach is totally out of the question for the few products that we sell into this market. Let's be reasonable here. So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things. I would love to hear from you. Thanks for all comments and stories. The Other Brian _ LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.h
Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
Western Europe has been found to have some 'dodgy' test houses, too, so it may not be all political. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2017-12-03 22:45, John Allen wrote: Probably due to Putin’s desire to promote (by any means – including regulation!) for *everything* to be done in Russia, not elsewhere! John E Allen W. London, UK *From:*Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 03 December 2017 22:20 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian, I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their products. This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab. The other CU nation's certs were being rejected. I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements. But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could resume their exports to Russia. The big-name labs with global market access groups that I spoke with are aware of this. This was the status as of mid-summer. Best regards, Carl On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote: Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries without much trouble. However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia. Any information on this would be helpful. We have talked to a couple 3^rd party labs and of course they want the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah. This approach is totally out of the question for the few products that we sell into this market. Let’s be reasonable here. So far we haven’t had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things. I would love to hear from you. Thanks for all comments and stories. The Other Brian *LECO Corporation Notice:*This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org <mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org <mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com <mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdou
Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
Probably due to Putin's desire to promote (by any means - including regulation!) for everything to be done in Russia, not elsewhere! John E Allen W. London, UK From: Carl Newton [mailto:emcl...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 December 2017 22:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Brian, I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their products. This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab. The other CU nation's certs were being rejected. I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements. But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could resume their exports to Russia. The big-name labs with global market access groups that I spoke with are aware of this. This was the status as of mid-summer. Best regards, Carl On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote: Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries without much trouble. However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia. Any information on this would be helpful. We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah. This approach is totally out of the question for the few products that we sell into this market. Let's be reasonable here. So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things. I would love to hear from you. Thanks for all comments and stories. The Other Brian _ LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org
Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
Brian, I occasionally do work for a very large ITE product company with a worldwide presence and so I've been involved in international certs for a few of their products. This year we learned that Russia started to reject all EAC certs not issued by a Russian national lab. The other CU nation's certs were being rejected. I believe that Belarus has been working on legal action against Russia with the position that Russia is violating agreements. But I had to obtain a 2nd EAC cert from a Russian lab so that this company could resume their exports to Russia. The big-name labs with global market access groups that I spoke with are aware of this. This was the status as of mid-summer. Best regards, Carl On 11/29/2017 2:25 PM, Kunde, Brian wrote: Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries without much trouble. However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia. Any information on this would be helpful. We have talked to a couple 3^rd party labs and of course they want the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah. This approach is totally out of the question for the few products that we sell into this market. Let’s be reasonable here. So far we haven’t had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things. I would love to hear from you. Thanks for all comments and stories. The Other Brian *LECO Corporation Notice:* This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher > David Heald > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
Hello Brian. My company is going through EAC certification at the moment but for medium volume manufacturing. >From my understanding there is 2 types of compliance. TR CU Certificate of conformity and the TR CU Declaration of conformity. Essentially, the Certificate of conformity is meant for higher volume products e.g. consumer and the Declaration or conformity is intend for one offs or small batches e.g. industrial. Hopefully someone out there will correct me if I'm mistaken. regards; Ian From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: 29 November 2017 19:25 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries without much trouble. However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia. Any information on this would be helpful. We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah. This approach is totally out of the question for the few products that we sell into this market. Let's be reasonable here. So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things. I would love to hear from you. Thanks for all comments and stories. The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org<mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org<mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com<mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> Allen & Heath Ltd is a registered business in England and Wales, Company number: 4163451. Any views expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily those of the company. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
Re: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
Hi Brian, I looked into this set of laws (CE clones) a few years ago for a single-unit import question and recall 3 different 'levels' of conformance demonstration being allowed for in the regs. It was something like model line (factory-inspection -ish), large quantity, and single unit. I'm probably mis-remembering much but the single unit track just involved some fee and demonstrating CE equivalence (or something like that). English versions of the regs were not hard to find... searching with EAC or the Russian Belarus Kazikstan (sp) customs union - translation done by EU agency - maybe ref "CU TR 004/2011" e.g. for LVD equivalent. -Lauren Crane From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 1:25 PM To: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org Subject: [PSES] EAC Mark in Russia Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries without much trouble. However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia. Any information on this would be helpful. We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah. This approach is totally out of the question for the few products that we sell into this market. Let's be reasonable here. So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things. I would love to hear from you. Thanks for all comments and stories. The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org<mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org<mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com<mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
[PSES] EAC Mark in Russia
Greetings. I would love to hear your story about dealing with the EAC mark and shipping products to Russia. Though most all countries have laws, acts, or directives on the books, most are not enforced across the board, yet focuses primarily on mass produced consumer electronics, computers, etc.. Individual or custom built equipment, such as scientific/laboratory equipment generally gets in such countries without much trouble. However, our department has been asked to looking into the current status of the EAC marking and what it takes to get single built instruments into Russia. Any information on this would be helpful. We have talked to a couple 3rd party labs and of course they want the entire gambit including full certification testing for Safety, EMC, and RoHS by an accredited lab and a full certification program with factory inspections, the works, blah blah blah. This approach is totally out of the question for the few products that we sell into this market. Let's be reasonable here. So far we haven't had any issues (unless we include a PC in the shipment) but if things are changing we would like to stay on top of things. I would love to hear from you. Thanks for all comments and stories. The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail toAll emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: