Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
Well in respect for John that i have a dialog with i think i toned it down quite a bit and did not engage in a full on flame war - which i could have. ;) One could be alot of more aggressive in this regard and contact a couple of organisations that goes after companies that does this in the courts. (They are funded by the GPL author.) So no i will not apologize to a company that clearly makes money off of GPL software without full-filling the license agreement they accepted when using that piece of software (I'm quite religious when it comes to Open Source, because i have based my whole career off of it) // Andreas andy pugh skrev den 2015-02-18 01:38: On 18 February 2015 at 00:28, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: In any event, an apology from Andreas would not be out of line. Well, as YouTube comments go it was unusually complimentary :-) -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PRU programming on the Beagle Bone Black.
On 2/17/2015 7:12 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Well, the program compiles easily on Linux, or I could just give you an executable. But, if you don't have a photoplotter to run it on, the program is pretty useless. This is a 1000 x 1000 DPI raster photoplotter, and it is great for making circuit board artwork and solder paste stencils. I also use it for making the master artwork for front panel label material that is exposed with UV light. Sounds like it would also work well for making screens for screen printing on paper and fabric. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)
I'm more curious about the hardware, do you think they are using 5i25 from Mesa or is it something of their own? -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)
That should PCW be able to answer.. If there been a buyup of MESA cards, that would be big buisness i imagine. ;) // A Belli Button skrev den 2015-02-18 11:34: I'm more curious about the hardware, do you think they are using 5i25 from Mesa or is it something of their own? -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)
On 18 February 2015 at 10:50, Andrew pkm...@gmail.com wrote: It's MESA. Look at http://www.tormach.com/document_direct_download.html?doc_id=893 , Figure 6 LinuxCNC _and_ hardware stepping. The customers won't know what has hit them :-) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)
2015-02-18 12:34 GMT+02:00 Belli Button be...@iafrica.com: I'm more curious about the hardware, do you think they are using 5i25 from Mesa or is it something of their own? It's MESA. Look at http://www.tormach.com/document_direct_download.html?doc_id=893 , Figure 6 -- Andrew -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)
Ah, 5i25, kewl! Does this mean we can 'borrow' their software for our own machines?? -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:pkm...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 February 2015 12:51 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?) 2015-02-18 12:34 GMT+02:00 Belli Button be...@iafrica.com: I'm more curious about the hardware, do you think they are using 5i25 from Mesa or is it something of their own? It's MESA. Look at http://www.tormach.com/document_direct_download.html?doc_id=893 , Figure 6 -- Andrew -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
Regarding plastic connectors, neutriks work well really well. And are dead simple to connect. But they arent as cheap as the aluminium cast ones with brass connectors. And i have had plastic neutrik connectors that basicly melted when exposed to coolant and Dexron 3 oil (as i use for lubricant in some machining). Yeah its not instant and you will catch it and be able to change them. //A Gene Heskett skrev den 2015-02-18 17:40: On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 09:29:13 AM Dave Cole wrote: Those connectors are cheap! As I was paying north of a $8 bill for the mating pair, I did not think cheap, although one could call their construction less than Tiffany. OTOH, they have been dead utterly dependable for me. But I would be hesitant to use them for stepper connections on a machine that you need to trust. If you get a bad connection it can take out your stepper driver. Depends on the driver, I accidentally forgot to turn the driver power off a year or so ago when I was mounting and connecting my A table. That driver did shut down, but a power cycle restored it. The river? Generic 2M542. Bulletproof seems to be a good description. I have 6 in service, bought 7 so I'd have a spare. 4 years later the spare is still in its white box in a toolbox drawer, until I pulled it out to use as a test unit while setting up testing a new, higher voltage motor psu for my toy mill. There I found, using a function generator, what I believe is the top speed of its opto-isolators as I was able to spin an 8 wire, in series, 425 in/lb triple stack motor at a bit better than 3k rpms, feeding a nearly 375 kilobaud signal from the function generator. I think, come warmer weather, that it will drive my mill a bit faster since the motor psu will go from 28 volts to 47 volts. And I'll have enough spare current then to parallel wire those 8 wire motors too. Amphenol and others sells round plastic connectors for not that much. Check out Digikey, Allied, etc I will, because I do need a cheaper, insulated exterior solution for the next machine I build if I stay vertical long enough, but I also need something that ignores its environment. These, being all metal exterior, do that with no fuss. Some plastics and greasy stuff do not get along well. The *styrenes in particular can be turned into shattered sugar just by the vapors of vaselene in a surprisingly short time. Dave On 2/18/2015 9:06 AM, Andreas Pettersson wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-GX-16mm-8-Pin-Aviation-Male-Female-Plug- Panel-Power-Chassis-Metal-Connector-/261504110088?pt=LH_DefaultDomain _0hash=item3ce2dc0e08 works quite well .. There is several other variations as well. kqt4a...@gmail.com skrev den 2015-02-18 14:58: For those who build your own controls, what connectors do you use to connect the motors to the control panel? I am talking steppers = 3 amps. The store bought ones I have looked at use a DIN connector. Richard -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/os tg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - - Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ost g.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com --- --- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg. clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene Heskett
Re: [Emc-users] PRU programming on the Beagle Bone Black.
On 02/18/2015 02:18 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: Sounds like it would also work well for making screens for screen printing on paper and fabric. Sure, anything that needs a high-contrast artwork will work. I have a board that can be swapped in to generate gray-scale output, but that would need some hacking of the PRU program to allow it to access the main ARM memory. Not something I've done in quite a while. Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:52:04 AM Andreas Pettersson wrote: Regarding plastic connectors, neutriks work well really well. And are dead simple to connect. And as the CE at a tv station for the last 18 years I worked, I have plenty of experience with the neutriks XLR style connector in 3 and 4 pin varieties. Hand such a connector to our news dept people and it will come home from the first interview with the latching tab demolished. But in fairness to neutrik, when news complained it won't stay plugged in now, my reply was that I didn't break it, and all you to do to not break it was learn to press the latch. It took me about a year and at least a 24 pack of those connectors to get those monkeys potty trained. Once potty trained of course then they head off to a bigger market I had to start all over. One of those thankless tasks that is the Chief Engineers lot in life I guess. FWIW I will not discuss the SwitchCraft version of that connector since those I needed to buy by the grocery sack until I found the neutrik. And before someone yells its cheap at 3 or 4 bucks, is your time worth when the have to be replaced at least guarterly on every cable in the place that uses them. That was 10-12 in the studio, and 2 or 3 in every news car, with at least 6 cars on the road, more on high school game nights. But as far as cable retention went, its the absolute tops in the business. The plastic pieces that make up the cable clamp were however, about 1/2 the reason the whole connector was replaced. The 3 jaw nylon bits were ok, but the plastic nut that held the rubber stress relief, and drove those nylon parts, was a major breakage point as they aged. I think it embrittled with old age. The only thing puny about the latch was its ability to get caught on a passing door frame and jerked out or broken off when the monkeys with a journalism degree just jerked on it instead of going back and lifting the end of the latch back out of the door frame or off whatever it had caught on. But they arent as cheap as the aluminium cast ones with brass connectors. And i have had plastic neutrik connectors that basicly melted when exposed to coolant and Dexron 3 oil (as i use for lubricant in some machining). Yeah its not instant and you will catch it and be able to change them. That is apparently not a huge concern for the CB mic connector I am using. But I will check digi-key for look-a-likes before I order again. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)
Hi Erik, You, and at least one other person, are definitely missing my point. I'll take the blame for not expressing myself properly. I'll try again. I am not disparaging Tormach. At all. As I've said, I believe their switch to LinuxCNC will be good for them and for their customers. In fact, I have publicly suggested this in the past on several occasions. I've even tried in vain to convince Tormach owners who were dissatisfied with Mach to install LinuxCNC on their own. I also think Tormach and their customers will be very well served by MESA Electronics hardware. My comments that apparently seemed so negative to you were not intended to relate to the legal issue of who owned the code. Obviously, if they paid for the code, they own the code, regardless of whether an employee or an off-site contractor wrote it. I've written a fair amount of code as an off-site contactor, and I certainly wouldn't belittle that contribution. I did not say one word about the legal aspects, licensing requirements, etc. I don't know what Tormach might be legally required to do, and I'd greatly prefer to leave that issue for others to resolve. I also had very little to say about what could be considered the ethical aspect... what they should do with the code they paid to have developed. Others were hurling pejoratives and mild profanities, but not me. I feel no hostility toward Tormach. They're helping a lot of people get into small scale machining who otherwise wouldn't. How is that not a good thing? I see Tormach as good, and LinuxCNC on Tormach as better. I did say that I hoped they'd send some of that goodness back to the open source community so we could all benefit, but that wasn't a criticism. That's just me being optimistic. Early on, I did say that I doubted a lot of that code will be open source, and frankly I still do for the user interface and conversational wizards. They made a substantial investment to develop some of that code and I think they'd probably like to keep some of that user interface as a proprietary Tormach look and feel. If so, that's a shame, because the direction they took is very much along the direction that I'd like to see LinuxCNC progress, but I didn't have their resources (financial motivation) to help move it in that direction. If someone in the LinuxCNC community develops a case of PathPilot envy, someone will write an open source version. Part of the reason that people were jumping to false conclusions about Tormach not giving back to the community is the result of how tight lipped they were about it. They seem to be downplaying the open source aspect. I'm spit balling here, but it looks to me as if they were almost forced to choose LinuxCNC because it's technically better, and they might be feeling some corporate reluctance about going down the Mach path for so long and taking their customers with them? Nobody likes to admit a mistake. Or maybe they don't want to encourage potential customers to buy a small 1990s era VMC with outdated controls by telling them how easy it is to convert it to LinuxCNC? If there was any animosity in my email, it was very minor, and nothing but the good natured engineer versus marketing clash. I'm an engineer, and the product is what matters. Marketing people believe how the product is presented is what matters. Sadly, I think the marketing people are almost always right when the criteria is measured based on what makes a financially successful product. I'm curious how much Tormach developed in house not for legal reasons, or ethical reasons, or because I'm a hater. I'm curious because the marketing part of this seems weird to me and I'd like to understand it. If I was doing the Tormach marketing, I'd play up the Free Open Source Software aspect, brag about giving back to the community, while expounding about the NEW IMPROVED hard realtime reliability, the enhanced features, etc. Instead, they seem to be acting as if they were caught kissing their cousin. Bruce On 02/18/2015 07:49 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: On 18.02.15 06:44, Bruce Layne wrote: They do admit that LinuxCNC is the underlying software, but claim they made substantial improvements, when they apparently paid for open source code to be developed by someone else. No, it makes no difference whether a contractor works on-site or off - copyright belongs to the employer. As the paid work has been made available to LinuxCNC, IIUC, then all rational and reasonable open source hopes and expectations have been met, I believe. It seems petty and irrational to deny the substantial contribution they have in fact made. Funding a skilled off-site developer (sometimes from the OS community) to improve OS software is not common. (E.g. Nick Clifton has done a lot of v850 work on binutils and gcc for NEC, AFAIR.) The gift is in fact threefold, as the paid OS developer's skills are also developed by the
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
2015-02-18 2:24 GMT+02:00 Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cmfs=1tf=1to=s...@highlab.com: Well, the new trajectory planner is huge. And it was done quietly, without Tormach publicly taking credit for it, which has left people not realizing the contribution Tormach has made. The new TP wasn't so nesessary for a lathe, right? Looks like Tormach is going to use LinuxCNC for their mills too. -- Andrew -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
I use a DB9 with shielded cable on pin 5 and the 4 drive lines each using an
upper and lower pin in parallel as redundant connections and less current
density. Cheap enough, readily available on short notice. Might try a DB15 with
dual wires for motor + encoder signals. (That would be a {2 row} game port not
a {3 row} VGA type connectors.)
I used XLR until a bad connection blew a driver chip.
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Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
On 18 Feb 2015, at 18:48, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I have plenty of experience with the neutriks XLR style connector in 3 and 4 pin varieties. I was suggesting Speakon which has a bayonet latch. Very solid and breaks contact before withdrawal. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
On 19 February 2015 at 04:01, richsh...@comcast.net wrote: Avoid those Molex connectors! Read the data sheet! Not guaranteed to work after 25 mate/demate cycles! If I am that indecisive about where my motors connect I deserve to fail :-) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
I have used regular heat shrink and shaved small chips, almost filings, of hot melt glue into them. I shrink 1 end, fill with fine shavings, then work my way along and end up with a little melted glue being squeezed the other end when closes. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. -John Steinbeck, novelist, Nobel laureate (1902-1968) On 02/18/2015 08:56 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 09:38:34 PM andy pugh wrote: On 19 February 2015 at 02:32, Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.com wrote: If I needed the soldered connections to survive coolant, I'd slide the heat shrink over uncured five minute epoxy and shrink the tubing to squeeze out the epoxy and accelerate the epoxy cure, Why not use glue-filled heat-shrink? http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/heat-shrink-cold-shrink-sleeves/1573824/ as a random example. Neat stuff Andy. But I don't recall seeing it locally, like at Radio Shack. Looks like I'll have to order it online. Does it keep well unused? Cheers, Gene Heskett -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:15:03 PM andy pugh wrote: On 19 February 2015 at 02:56, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Neat stuff Andy. But I don't recall seeing it locally, like at Radio Shack. Looks like I'll have to order it online. Does it keep well unused? As far as I know it keeps indefinitely, and I can buy it at a choice of 3 Maplin stores within 20 miles of here. Technically, we are turning into a vast non-tehcnical wasteland on this side of the pond. Ebay has effectively become the source but you have to search for the jewels, their search engine sucks dead toads thru soda straws. A right pain in the ass when a search for milling machine returns 97% trash, 20% of which has zip to do with a milling machine. We have a radio shack here, but the parts stock is 20% of what it was a year ago. 80% of whats on the walls today will wind up being recycled. It will not have a radio shack sign on it by 1 May from what I hear. They do have some arduino stuff, but at 3 to 5x what I can get it for on ebay. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)
The way the upgrades were described, the hardware sounded very MESA-ish, so I wasn't surprised to see that it was. However, Tormach does seem to be interested in conveying the impression that the software and hardware were created by Tormach. http://www.tormach.com/blog/pathpilot-beta-testing Our own development work began in earnest 4 years ago. During that time, we’ve made substantial improvements to the underlying source code to make PathPilot a viable commercial product. These include a revamped trajectory planner, improvements to the G-Code interpreter, a new operator interface, onboard conversational programming, and a host of other enhancements. PathPilot, however, is not just software. It is also new dedicated hardware “inside the box” designed specifically for motion control, along with complete documentation, and end-user support. Unlike our previous generation controller, PathPilot is a fully integrated and purpose-designed CNC motion control platform for Tormach products. They do admit that LinuxCNC is the underlying software, but claim they made substantial improvements, when they apparently paid for open source code to be developed by someone else. That's possibly splitting hairs, but I'm not sure if I'm the one splitting hairs, or the Tormach marketing department. In the second paragraph quoted above, they imply that they developed new dedicated hardware that is a fully integrated and purpose-designed CNC motion control platform for Tormach products. Given the availability of high quality and low cost off-the-shelf hardware, they'd be crazy to develop their own. I suspect their contribution is the complete documentation, and end-user support. Tormach users will be very well served by LinuxCNC software and MESA Electronics hardware, but I think it's interesting that Tormach seems to feel the need to imply that they did the development. They're a fairly small company and they do a lot of good development, but they must feel that they can't allow a market impression that they are integrators, putting together tools that others provide. Does anyone know if they created their nice looking graphical front end, or did they subcontract that as well? It's fine by me either way, but I am curious. Maybe Brian Williams took a job as the marketing director at Tormach. If they blog about their helicopter being shot down behind enemy lines, and using a PCNC 770 to manufacture the parts they needed to repair the helicopter, I'm calling BS. :-) On 02/18/2015 05:50 AM, Andrew wrote: 2015-02-18 12:34 GMT+02:00 Belli Button be...@iafrica.com: I'm more curious about the hardware, do you think they are using 5i25 from Mesa or is it something of their own? It's MESA. Look at http://www.tormach.com/document_direct_download.html?doc_id=893 , Figure 6 -- Andrew -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)
On 2/18/2015 6:44 AM, Bruce Layne wrote: Does anyone know if they created their nice looking graphical front end, or did they subcontract that as well? It's fine by me either way, but I am curious. There really is no difference between the two. I subcontract to other companies who sell the software I develop as their own. They legally own the software, so it is their software to sell. Whether the software has been written by a subcontractor of direct employee is pretty much irrelevant. Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 08:58:20 AM kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: For those who build your own controls, what connectors do you use to connect the motors to the control panel? I am talking steppers = 3 amps. The store bought ones I have looked at use a DIN connector. Richard I've tried several, even molex's but keeping flying swarf out of them is tricky unless backfilled with a silicon caulk, so I have, in my own lashups, been using the 4 pin connector thats been in common use on CB radios for the microphone input. It has a locking ring that screws together, and decent rear of the connector sealing seems more that adequate for the job. This also brings in cabling considerations, and I am totally sold on the Clark Wire Cable's version of Beldens Star_Quad, sold for microphone cable as a dual twisted parallel extremely low noise mic cable. Available in gauges as large as 22 IIRC, its more than capable of handling the nominally 3 amps my steppers use. Available in a multitude of jacket colors, easily 10x as flexible as the Belden offering, I have some of it on my toy mill that is sliding back and forth in the mix of cutting oils, swarf what have you on the top of the 60 yo steel kitchen base cabinet that mill is sitting on. Dirty, greasy, but seemingly un-affected by its environment as its been doing it for nearly a decade now. I first became acquainted with them when they sent me some foot long samples of their video cable. I was at the time fighting with several miles of a West Penn cable whose shielding was 50 db at best, 20 if sloppily terminated with a Cambridge screw on BNC connector. With a crimp on connector properly installed, that cable was well north of 110db worth of shielding and all my crosstalk problems just vanished. And its flexible, just laying there like a well cooked strand of spaghetti. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-GX-16mm-8-Pin-Aviation-Male-Female-Plug-Panel-Power-Chassis-Metal-Connector-/261504110088?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3ce2dc0e08 works quite well .. There is several other variations as well. kqt4a...@gmail.com skrev den 2015-02-18 14:58: For those who build your own controls, what connectors do you use to connect the motors to the control panel? I am talking steppers = 3 amps. The store bought ones I have looked at use a DIN connector. Richard -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)
I had/have been doing a lot of testing of the new trajectory planner of Robs. (I didn't know or was told that he was working for Tormach - I was upset for about 2 seconds.. :) ) I don't know how they found Rob but wow - they sure picked the right guy to do it. The TP re-write was huge and started Nov 2013. (and was required to compete with mach3 in speed) The new TP is a big improvement on the previous planner. I am glad Tormach was open to pushing it back to the community. I don't know enough about the licensing to weigh in - I just hope the 'right thing' is done. (and 'most' people are happy :) ) So we have a new n-lookahead TP and Tormach has a control that they can manage 100%. (seems like a win win so far..) sam On 2/18/2015 5:11 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 18 February 2015 at 10:50, Andrew pkm...@gmail.com wrote: It's MESA. Look at http://www.tormach.com/document_direct_download.html?doc_id=893 , Figure 6 LinuxCNC _and_ hardware stepping. The customers won't know what has hit them :-) -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] motor connections
For those who build your own controls, what connectors do you use to connect the motors to the control panel? I am talking steppers = 3 amps. The store bought ones I have looked at use a DIN connector. Richard -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
Those connectors are cheap! But I would be hesitant to use them for stepper connections on a machine that you need to trust. If you get a bad connection it can take out your stepper driver. Amphenol and others sells round plastic connectors for not that much. Check out Digikey, Allied, etc Dave On 2/18/2015 9:06 AM, Andreas Pettersson wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-GX-16mm-8-Pin-Aviation-Male-Female-Plug-Panel-Power-Chassis-Metal-Connector-/261504110088?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3ce2dc0e08 works quite well .. There is several other variations as well. kqt4a...@gmail.com skrev den 2015-02-18 14:58: For those who build your own controls, what connectors do you use to connect the motors to the control panel? I am talking steppers = 3 amps. The store bought ones I have looked at use a DIN connector. Richard -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
On 18 February 2015 at 13:58, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: For those who build your own controls, what connectors do you use to connect the motors to the control panel? I am talking steppers = 3 amps. I have used the connectors suggested by Andreas, but my preferred conectors are http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/neutrik-nl4fx-4-pole-speakon-connector-n22aj 250V / 40A and not too expensive. I have used them for 3-phase motors too. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 03:00:31 AM Andreas Pettersson wrote: Well in respect for John that i have a dialog with i think i toned it down quite a bit and did not engage in a full on flame war - which i could have. ;) One could be alot of more aggressive in this regard and contact a couple of organisations that goes after companies that does this in the courts. (They are funded by the GPL author.) So no i will not apologize to a company that clearly makes money off of GPL software without full-filling the license agreement they accepted when using that piece of software (I'm quite religious when it comes to Open Source, because i have based my whole career off of it) // Andreas andy pugh skrev den 2015-02-18 01:38: On 18 February 2015 at 00:28, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: In any event, an apology from Andreas would not be out of line. Well, as YouTube comments go it was unusually complimentary :-) I am not sure how to counter this and your emphasis on the GPL. I think your understanding of GPL seems to preclude any consideration of the fact that in LinuxCNC's rather lengthy history, it did not start out as GPL, because it started well before the GPL even existed. There was a time, back up the log a ways now, what 30 years?, when what has become LinuxCNC was not GPL, but was what N.I.S.T. released as I believe, Public Domain to get the technology kick-started into american manufacturing. That, to my knowledge (I can be educated in that regard), has no carved in the law release source rules that the GPL does have. Improvements in that original code base, compiled into a searchable patch database would by now be several gigabytes, and many of those improvements have carried a GPL into some of it, but not all. There is an effort being made to excise the non-gpl bits and pieces being made, but Seb K. could probably offer more accurate comments regarding the status of that effort since I'm not privy to that discussion. In any event, I still think you paint them (Tormach) with much too black a brush. One of the things I have learned in my 80 years, is that the hand that feeds you should be thanked. The OP in this thread was not in that category. I'll get me coat now. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)
If their company is anything like most, the person who wrote the add you were quoting, had nothing to do with putting together the controller package (and probably knows little about it) and through miscommunications, and creative license, some half truths, crept in. I am sure the errors in the add were completely unintentional. And I would hope that they would be corrected once they are brought to the attention of someone with the authority to fix them. - Original Message - From: Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:44:15 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?) The way the upgrades were described, the hardware sounded very MESA-ish, so I wasn't surprised to see that it was. However, Tormach does seem to be interested in conveying the impression that the software and hardware were created by Tormach. http://www.tormach.com/blog/pathpilot-beta-testing Our own development work began in earnest 4 years ago. During that time, we’ve made substantial improvements to the underlying source code to make PathPilot a viable commercial product. These include a revamped trajectory planner, improvements to the G-Code interpreter, a new operator interface, onboard conversational programming, and a host of other enhancements. PathPilot, however, is not just software. It is also new dedicated hardware “inside the box” designed specifically for motion control, along with complete documentation, and end-user support. Unlike our previous generation controller, PathPilot is a fully integrated and purpose-designed CNC motion control platform for Tormach products. They do admit that LinuxCNC is the underlying software, but claim they made substantial improvements, when they apparently paid for open source code to be developed by someone else. That's possibly splitting hairs, but I'm not sure if I'm the one splitting hairs, or the Tormach marketing department. In the second paragraph quoted above, they imply that they developed new dedicated hardware that is a fully integrated and purpose-designed CNC motion control platform for Tormach products. Given the availability of high quality and low cost off-the-shelf hardware, they'd be crazy to develop their own. I suspect their contribution is the complete documentation, and end-user support. Tormach users will be very well served by LinuxCNC software and MESA Electronics hardware, but I think it's interesting that Tormach seems to feel the need to imply that they did the development. They're a fairly small company and they do a lot of good development, but they must feel that they can't allow a market impression that they are integrators, putting together tools that others provide. Does anyone know if they created their nice looking graphical front end, or did they subcontract that as well? It's fine by me either way, but I am curious. Maybe Brian Williams took a job as the marketing director at Tormach. If they blog about their helicopter being shot down behind enemy lines, and using a PCNC 770 to manufacture the parts they needed to repair the helicopter, I'm calling BS. :-) On 02/18/2015 05:50 AM, Andrew wrote: 2015-02-18 12:34 GMT+02:00 Belli Button be...@iafrica.com: I'm more curious about the hardware, do you think they are using 5i25 from Mesa or is it something of their own? It's MESA. Look at http://www.tormach.com/document_direct_download.html?doc_id=893 , Figure 6 -- Andrew -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)
Sam... Remember the email list conversations that Rob and you had with the Mach3 crew a while back? That now puts those conversations in an entirely different light. If you want a great discount on a slant back lathe or small mill, now might be the right time to speak up! :-) Dave On 2/18/2015 8:38 AM, sam sokolik wrote: I had/have been doing a lot of testing of the new trajectory planner of Robs. (I didn't know or was told that he was working for Tormach - I was upset for about 2 seconds.. :) ) I don't know how they found Rob but wow - they sure picked the right guy to do it. The TP re-write was huge and started Nov 2013. (and was required to compete with mach3 in speed) The new TP is a big improvement on the previous planner. I am glad Tormach was open to pushing it back to the community. I don't know enough about the licensing to weigh in - I just hope the 'right thing' is done. (and 'most' people are happy :) ) So we have a new n-lookahead TP and Tormach has a control that they can manage 100%. (seems like a win win so far..) sam On 2/18/2015 5:11 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 18 February 2015 at 10:50, Andrew pkm...@gmail.com wrote: It's MESA. Look at http://www.tormach.com/document_direct_download.html?doc_id=893 , Figure 6 LinuxCNC _and_ hardware stepping. The customers won't know what has hit them :-) -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)
On 18.02.15 06:44, Bruce Layne wrote: They do admit that LinuxCNC is the underlying software, but claim they made substantial improvements, when they apparently paid for open source code to be developed by someone else. No, it makes no difference whether a contractor works on-site or off - copyright belongs to the employer. As the paid work has been made available to LinuxCNC, IIUC, then all rational and reasonable open source hopes and expectations have been met, I believe. It seems petty and irrational to deny the substantial contribution they have in fact made. Funding a skilled off-site developer (sometimes from the OS community) to improve OS software is not common. (E.g. Nick Clifton has done a lot of v850 work on binutils and gcc for NEC, AFAIR.) The gift is in fact threefold, as the paid OS developer's skills are also developed by the project, and it helps to keep the wolf from the door. (Or maybe better still, pays for new toys.) ... Tormach users will be very well served by LinuxCNC software and MESA Electronics hardware, but I think it's interesting that Tormach seems to feel the need to imply that they did the development. If they paid for it, then they did it. (They own the copyright, and their copyright assignment is required before it can become OS in LinuxCNC. And I appreciate their generosity.) They're a fairly small company and they do a lot of good development, but they must feel that they can't allow a market impression that they are integrators, putting together tools that others provide. Does anyone know if they created their nice looking graphical front end, or did they subcontract that as well? It's fine by me either way, but I am curious. Not just curious, but remarkably negative about a substantial and useful contribution to the LinuxCNC community, AIUI. Do you also expect Lenovo or Dell to shout the names of manufacturers of their system components, whether interface cards or hard drives, or is this disdain targeted? Maybe Brian Williams took a job as the marketing director at Tormach. If they blog about their helicopter being shot down behind enemy lines, and using a PCNC 770 to manufacture the parts they needed to repair the helicopter, I'm calling BS. :-) When you invent such BS, then whose BS is it? It seems unreasonable for any CNC vendor to advertise for suppliers of components, whether power cords, mother boards, or interface cards, when what they sell is a performance package. It is often an OS licencing requirement that the software application's presence in the marketed product be stated, but that is rarely so for purchased components. Your remarkably negative take on this collaborative contribution to OSS surprises me. Would you rather have them use Mach3, and leave LinuxCNC to its own devices? Erik -- Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. - Philip K. Dick -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 09:29:13 AM Dave Cole wrote: Those connectors are cheap! As I was paying north of a $8 bill for the mating pair, I did not think cheap, although one could call their construction less than Tiffany. OTOH, they have been dead utterly dependable for me. But I would be hesitant to use them for stepper connections on a machine that you need to trust. If you get a bad connection it can take out your stepper driver. Depends on the driver, I accidentally forgot to turn the driver power off a year or so ago when I was mounting and connecting my A table. That driver did shut down, but a power cycle restored it. The river? Generic 2M542. Bulletproof seems to be a good description. I have 6 in service, bought 7 so I'd have a spare. 4 years later the spare is still in its white box in a toolbox drawer, until I pulled it out to use as a test unit while setting up testing a new, higher voltage motor psu for my toy mill. There I found, using a function generator, what I believe is the top speed of its opto-isolators as I was able to spin an 8 wire, in series, 425 in/lb triple stack motor at a bit better than 3k rpms, feeding a nearly 375 kilobaud signal from the function generator. I think, come warmer weather, that it will drive my mill a bit faster since the motor psu will go from 28 volts to 47 volts. And I'll have enough spare current then to parallel wire those 8 wire motors too. Amphenol and others sells round plastic connectors for not that much. Check out Digikey, Allied, etc I will, because I do need a cheaper, insulated exterior solution for the next machine I build if I stay vertical long enough, but I also need something that ignores its environment. These, being all metal exterior, do that with no fuss. Some plastics and greasy stuff do not get along well. The *styrenes in particular can be turned into shattered sugar just by the vapors of vaselene in a surprisingly short time. Dave On 2/18/2015 9:06 AM, Andreas Pettersson wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-GX-16mm-8-Pin-Aviation-Male-Female-Plug- Panel-Power-Chassis-Metal-Connector-/261504110088?pt=LH_DefaultDomain _0hash=item3ce2dc0e08 works quite well .. There is several other variations as well. kqt4a...@gmail.com skrev den 2015-02-18 14:58: For those who build your own controls, what connectors do you use to connect the motors to the control panel? I am talking steppers = 3 amps. The store bought ones I have looked at use a DIN connector. Richard -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/os tg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - - Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ost g.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com --- --- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg. clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel
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On 18 February 2015 at 21:46, Greg Bentzinger skullwo...@yahoo.com wrote: I use a DB9 with shielded cable on pin 5 and the 4 drive lines each using an upper and lower pin in parallel as redundant connections and less current density. DB9 actually has a surprising current carrying capacity per pin. I think some are 9A. For my A-axis servos I use: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/solder-d-sub-connectors/5427573/ -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)
On 18 February 2015 at 19:35, Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.com wrote: If someone in the LinuxCNC community develops a case of PathPilot envy, someone will write an open source version. http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26550-lathe-macros :-) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 18 February 2015 at 21:56, Andrew pkm...@gmail.com wrote: The new TP wasn't so nesessary for a lathe, right? Looks like Tormach is going to use LinuxCNC for their mills too. The Tormach web-page and the video are both clearly showing mill configs. I think that the lathe has been on LinuxCNC for a while. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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The lathe was linuxcnc from day one, it was shipped with it even. andy pugh skrev den 2015-02-19 00:03: On 18 February 2015 at 21:56, Andrew pkm...@gmail.com wrote: The new TP wasn't so nesessary for a lathe, right? Looks like Tormach is going to use LinuxCNC for their mills too. The Tormach web-page and the video are both clearly showing mill configs. I think that the lathe has been on LinuxCNC for a while. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
On 19 February 2015 at 02:32, Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.com wrote: If I needed the soldered connections to survive coolant, I'd slide the heat shrink over uncured five minute epoxy and shrink the tubing to squeeze out the epoxy and accelerate the epoxy cure, Why not use glue-filled heat-shrink? http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/heat-shrink-cold-shrink-sleeves/1573824/ as a random example. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Using acid free caulk I hope? If it smells like vinegar, it has acetic acid in it that will corrode electronics. The acetic acid in RTV silicone cures by evaporation, typically in a few hours. Afterward, it's fairly inert. I don't use it for electronics, but the only time I've seen it cause problems is when someone used it as a potting compound and sealed it up in PVC where it couldn't cure and the acid attacked some capacitors. Digi-Key sells watertight connectors that could be used on motor leads, and you might even find some electrical connectors intended for boat trailers. When I'm wiring stepper motors, I just solder the leads and heat shrink them, with a couple of increasingly longer lengths of heat shrink over the bundle for strain relief. It's cheap, low profile, snag resistant, and the electrical connections are reliable if the soldered joints aren't flexing. If they need to flex, crimped connections on stranded wire are much better. I don't need to replace stepper motors very often (hopefully never), and if I do, I can cut open the soldered connections and resolder the leads faster than I can find connectors, crimpers, etc. If I needed the soldered connections to survive coolant, I'd slide the heat shrink over uncured five minute epoxy and shrink the tubing to squeeze out the epoxy and accelerate the epoxy cure, but that's not going to be unsoldered. Repair is by replacement. Leave a little extra cable so you don't need to run a new cable if the motor is replaced. / //My favorite programming language is SOLDER.// // - Steve Ciarcia, Byte //magazine, circa 1979// // / -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 09:15:43 PM Gregg Eshelman wrote: On 2/18/2015 7:48 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 08:58:20 AM kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: For those who build your own controls, what connectors do you use to connect the motors to the control panel? I am talking steppers = 3 amps. The store bought ones I have looked at use a DIN connector. Richard I've tried several, even molex's but keeping flying swarf out of them is tricky unless backfilled with a silicon caulk, Using acid free caulk I hope? If it smells like vinegar, it has acetic acid in it that will corrode electronics. :) BTDT. A Well known caution Gregg. What ever I used at the time had no vinegar stink to it. But I didn't use it for long because the cable I was using was as stiff as a piece of 1/4 tubing, and kept stressing the solder joints buried in the stuff, so I changed it all to the 4 pin screw together plug, and half a small roll of Suzan Clarks Star-quad cable. That combo has worked for nearly a decade now. Cheers Gregg, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
On 2/18/2015 7:07 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: In any event, I still think you paint them (Tormach) with much too black a brush. The company that deserves that is Makerbot. Another one is RAMBUS, where when Intel, Micron and some other companies went together to create a new computer memory standard to replace SDRAM, one member sneakily filed patents and trademarks on it all, then proceeded to file lawsuits. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 08:50:21 PM Gregg Eshelman wrote: On 2/18/2015 7:07 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: In any event, I still think you paint them (Tormach) with much too black a brush. The company that deserves that is Makerbot. Another one is RAMBUS, where when Intel, Micron and some other companies went together to create a new computer memory standard to replace SDRAM, one member sneakily filed patents and trademarks on it all, then proceeded to file lawsuits. Quite familiar with the RAMBUS debacle, but MakerBot seems to be a new entry in the extra rectums dept. Links plz, I like to stay reasonably up to date. But if no great coverage on slashdot, I've likely slept thru it. My fault of course, but... ;-) Thanks Gregg. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] motor connections
Avoid those Molex connectors! Read the data sheet! Not guaranteed to work after 25 mate/demate cycles! The AMP CPC family of connectors have something of a chance of surviving, and have contact sets that can handle the loads expected. - Original Message - From: emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:51:21 PM Subject: Emc-users Digest, Vol 106, Issue 48 Send Emc-users mailing list submissions to emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net You can reach the person managing the list at emc-users-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Emc-users digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: PathPilot (Andreas Pettersson) 2. Re: PathPilot (Gregg Eshelman) 3. Re: PathPilot (what hardware?) (Jon Elson) 4. Re: PathPilot (Gene Heskett) 5. Re: motor connections (Gregg Eshelman) 6. Re: motor connections (Bruce Layne) 7. Re: motor connections (andy pugh) 8. Re: motor connections (Gene Heskett) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:14:39 +0100 From: Andreas Pettersson andr...@roughedge.se Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: 54e51cdf.7020...@roughedge.se Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed The lathe was linuxcnc from day one, it was shipped with it even. andy pugh skrev den 2015-02-19 00:03: On 18 February 2015 at 21:56, Andrew pkm...@gmail.com wrote: The new TP wasn't so nesessary for a lathe, right? Looks like Tormach is going to use LinuxCNC for their mills too. The Tormach web-page and the video are both clearly showing mill configs. I think that the lathe has been on LinuxCNC for a while. -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:50:21 -0700 From: Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: 54e5415d.9060...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 2/18/2015 7:07 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: In any event, I still think you paint them (Tormach) with much too black a brush. The company that deserves that is Makerbot. Another one is RAMBUS, where when Intel, Micron and some other companies went together to create a new computer memory standard to replace SDRAM, one member sneakily filed patents and trademarks on it all, then proceeded to file lawsuits. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:10:29 -0600 From: Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?) To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: 54e54615.8030...@pico-systems.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 02/18/2015 07:38 AM, sam sokolik wrote: I had/have been doing a lot of testing of the new trajectory planner of Robs. (I didn't know or was told that he was working for Tormach - I was upset for about 2 seconds.. :) ) I don't know how they found Rob but wow - they sure picked the right guy to do it. Rob gave a presentation at the Machinekit meeting that was HELD at Tormach's headquarters in Wisconsin. I tried to follow, but it was drinking math from a firehose. I did get SOME idea of how he did what he did, and was VERY impressed! Jon -- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:13:39 -0500 From: Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: 201502182113.39817.ghesk...@wdtv.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=windows-1256 On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 08:50:21 PM Gregg Eshelman wrote: On 2/18/2015 7:07 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: In any event, I still think you paint them (Tormach) with much too black a brush. The company that deserves that is Makerbot. Another one is RAMBUS, where when Intel, Micron and some other companies went together to create a new computer memory standard to replace SDRAM, one member sneakily filed patents and trademarks on it all, then proceeded to file lawsuits. Quite familiar with the RAMBUS debacle, but MakerBot seems to be a new entry in the extra rectums dept. Links plz, I like to stay reasonably up to date. But if no great coverage on slashdot, I've likely slept thru it. My fault of course, but... ;-) Thanks Gregg. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot,
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot (what hardware?)
On 02/18/2015 07:38 AM, sam sokolik wrote: I had/have been doing a lot of testing of the new trajectory planner of Robs. (I didn't know or was told that he was working for Tormach - I was upset for about 2 seconds.. :) ) I don't know how they found Rob but wow - they sure picked the right guy to do it. Rob gave a presentation at the Machinekit meeting that was HELD at Tormach's headquarters in Wisconsin. I tried to follow, but it was drinking math from a firehose. I did get SOME idea of how he did what he did, and was VERY impressed! Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
On 2/18/2015 7:48 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 08:58:20 AM kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: For those who build your own controls, what connectors do you use to connect the motors to the control panel? I am talking steppers = 3 amps. The store bought ones I have looked at use a DIN connector. Richard I've tried several, even molex's but keeping flying swarf out of them is tricky unless backfilled with a silicon caulk, Using acid free caulk I hope? If it smells like vinegar, it has acetic acid in it that will corrode electronics. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 09:38:34 PM andy pugh wrote: On 19 February 2015 at 02:32, Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.com wrote: If I needed the soldered connections to survive coolant, I'd slide the heat shrink over uncured five minute epoxy and shrink the tubing to squeeze out the epoxy and accelerate the epoxy cure, Why not use glue-filled heat-shrink? http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/heat-shrink-cold-shrink-sleeves/1573824/ as a random example. Neat stuff Andy. But I don't recall seeing it locally, like at Radio Shack. Looks like I'll have to order it online. Does it keep well unused? Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] motor connections
On 19 February 2015 at 02:56, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Neat stuff Andy. But I don't recall seeing it locally, like at Radio Shack. Looks like I'll have to order it online. Does it keep well unused? As far as I know it keeps indefinitely, and I can buy it at a choice of 3 Maplin stores within 20 miles of here. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
