Re: [Emc-users] M66 digital input control?
The way I interpret the wiki and the manual is that the command waits for the input only as long as the Q timer is set for. This works well for error handling but for a machine interface I would want it to wait w/o error handling. Is there a way to test this in one of the simulations. I don't have a working system in front of me right now to test it. I am not sure how I would simulate the input with out hardware? Thanks, Mike Alex Joni wrote: M66 P1 L1 waits for pin motion.*00* to become true. If that doesn't work like that, then you probably need a large Q number. Regards, Alex - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] M66 digital input control? Thanks- Is there a way to wait indefinitely for an input using M66? Would L0 do this? Chris Radek wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 02:00:40PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The wiki shows more definition on the implementation of the M66 digital input control. My question is around the P words. Are you limited to P0 - P3 or can I continue with more P words like P4, P5, etc... if needed? Looks like you can have up to 64 digital ins/outs without recompiling. To set the number higher than 4 (the default), add num_dio=XX or num_aio=XX to your loadrt emcmot command. -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Thanks, Mike Cinquino Project Manager Distech Systems Inc. Rochester, NY 14606 Phone: 585-254-7020 Fax: 585-254-1905 www.distechsystems.com -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1839 - Release Date: 09.12.2008 09:59 -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Thanks, Mike Cinquino Project Manager Distech Systems Inc. Rochester, NY 14606 Phone: 585-254-7020 Fax: 585-254-1905 www.distechsystems.com -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] EMC2 on a usb thumb drive
Has anyone done this? I have a usb thumb drive with the latest .iso live cd installed on it. It boots but I can't seem to make it save settings and changes... I got as far as creating two partitions.. one with the image on it and the other empty formatted ext2 with the name casper-rw. It's a 2 gig drive.When I boot off the drive it automatically mounts the 2nd partition casper-rw. I used the instructions from this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent Also, when I don't boot off the drive I can write to it. After reading some threads it looks like the challenging part is getting the drive to boot and the partitions setup. I think I have gotten that far. Not sure if it's correct but it looks like it is. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 on a usb thumb drive
Yes, that is exactly what I am seeing. I wonder if there is a way to make it think it is not a CD? Jon Elson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone done this? I have a usb thumb drive with the latest .iso live cd installed on it. It boots but I can't seem to make it save settings and changes... I got as far as creating two partitions.. one with the image on it and the other empty formatted ext2 with the name casper-rw. It's a 2 gig drive.When I boot off the drive it automatically mounts the 2nd partition casper-rw. I used the instructions from this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent Also, when I don't boot off the drive I can write to it. It is because the system thinks it really IS a CD, and you can't write to a CD. You may need two pen drives. One holds the iso, the other becomes the hard drive for EMC2/Ubuntu to be installed to. Maybe you can do this with the separate partitions, it depends on the coding in the install scripts. Jon -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] M66 digital input control?
The wiki shows more definition on the implementation of the M66 digital input control. My question is around the P words. Are you limited to P0 - P3 or can I continue with more P words like P4, P5, etc... if needed? Thanks, Mike -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] M66 digital input control?
Thanks- Is there a way to wait indefinitely for an input using M66? Would L0 do this? Chris Radek wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 02:00:40PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The wiki shows more definition on the implementation of the M66 digital input control. My question is around the P words. Are you limited to P0 - P3 or can I continue with more P words like P4, P5, etc... if needed? Looks like you can have up to 64 digital ins/outs without recompiling. To set the number higher than 4 (the default), add num_dio=XX or num_aio=XX to your loadrt emcmot command. -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Thanks, Mike Cinquino Project Manager Distech Systems Inc. Rochester, NY 14606 Phone: 585-254-7020 Fax: 585-254-1905 www.distechsystems.com -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] graphiteone
There used to be nice videos showing use of graphite one. Does anyone know where I can find them again? Or does anyone have a user manual I can get. thanks. -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface Finsishing
Thanks to Dave, John Wayne for the responses. It was helpful. A good option would be to fit a sander on the CNC machine. That will considerably speed things up. I will also see if a simple bead-blasting wont do the job. -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface Finsishing
This would be nice if the belts could be for aluminum but I could not find any. http://www.thefind.com/hardware/browse-jet-aluminum-sander; John Thornton wrote: You can get special belts for a sander that polish aluminum... the finish depends on the grade... they look like 3-m polishing pads but on a belt... John On 2 Dec 2008 at 22:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you guys use as the quickest and best cost effective and time-effective way to finish flat surfaces before the parts are Anodized? The parts are 8x6x3 Al boxes made from square tube with a few slots and holes CNC'd in so the surfaces are still the raw surfaces. I can CNC the boxes with a flat-face-mill , but wonder if there isnt something else you know of that is maybe a bit faster as I need to clamp and turn each side for the mill if I want to do it that way. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Surface Finsishing
What do you guys use as the quickest and best cost effective and time-effective way to finish flat surfaces before the parts are Anodized? The parts are 8x6x3 Al boxes made from square tube with a few slots and holes CNC'd in so the surfaces are still the raw surfaces. I can CNC the boxes with a flat-face-mill , but wonder if there isnt something else you know of that is maybe a bit faster as I need to clamp and turn each side for the mill if I want to do it that way. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] ER Capable spindle replacement for Kress.
Does anyone know which ER capable spindle/motor is the best cost effective replacement for the Kress as shipped with Isel CNC? I want to move away from the restrictions the custom Kress collets creates and nee to replace it with an ER capable spindle/motor. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Isel/Kress
Do you maybe know where I can buy clamps and table accessories too? It also seems to be non-standard. I make most of my clamps my self, but it would be nice to know what is available for the Isel. Steve Blackmore wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:30:40 -0500, you wrote: Thanks Steve There is the missing part to the Puzzle. At least now I have accurate information. Isel told me it is ER25, which is way too large and none of the other Din and ER collets would fit. I checked this afternoon and it would be straight forward to have a colleholder made to take ER16 collets. All you need is exactlythe same shredded holder only with the threads about3/4 longer. That would be better, as the stock nut with the spring retaining clip is awful! Steve Blackmore -- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Isel/Kress
One of my Isel macjines (a small Davinci) uses a Kress Spindle. I contacted Isel USA to find out what Collets they use as I want to replacce some of mine. They said ER25. Well After buying ER25 set of 15, it is NOT the same as what came with my Isel. I then bought ER11 and ER16 sets, and neither of those asre remotely the same as what I have bought with my Isel. I am starting to think that they gave me the wrong info and that maybe the Kress Spindle uses DIN Collets. Before I spend another $1000 on the wrong collets, and since Isel USA seemingly have no clue of customer service, or knowledge of their own products they distribute, I am wondering of anyone here can help me to try and ID the collets I have or maybe help me to convert my cress to take ER collets. Thanks - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Isel/Kress
Thanks Steve There is the missing part to the Puzzle. At least now I have accurate information. Isel told me it is ER25, which is way too large and none of the other Din and ER collets would fit. I checked this afternoon and it would be straight forward to have a colleholder made to take ER16 collets. All you need is exactlythe same shredded holder only with the threads about3/4 longer. Steve Blackmore wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:57:12 -0500, you wrote: Before I spend another $1000 on the wrong collets, and since Isel USA seemingly have no clue of customer service, or knowledge of their own products they distribute, I am wondering of anyone here can help me to try and ID the collets I have or maybe help me to convert my cress to take ER collets. The Kress collets are proprietary and not a standard type as far as I know? I just bought mine from my supplier. There's a list here with the full range. http://www.cnc-plus.de/index.php?cat=c101_for-Kress-and-ISEL.htmlXTCsid=e5d9929024958e3b1198d0309384921f Steve Blackmore -- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Text to Gcode
Thanks I will give that a try too. Dean Hedin wrote: http://www.deskam.com/deskengrave.html The above comes with it'a own stick font, but I don't use that. Instead I use TT fonts that are very thin. - Original Message - From: Lawrence Glaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Text to Gcode - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Thread cutting
I have to cut very fine threads on aluminum, basically Pentax M42 threads would be the finest thread. Anyone has an idea for the right insert for this for both inside and outside threads. I preferably want to use one tool holder and change inserts. Thanks. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Qcad
open terminal as root user. type $]apt-get qcad answer [y] to install You're done. Dave Houghton wrote: -Original Message- From: John Crane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2008 01:31 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Qcad In UbuntuMenu bar --System --Administration --Synaptic Package Manager Hi John Go on rub it in, see if I care, at least I can spell package, -- no I'm pulling your leg, I didn't know it was there. I thought it was some special download site for down loading programmes for Ubuntu8.04. I spent a couple of hours trying to find it. Thanks for replying Regards Dave - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Text to Gcode
Anyone know of a program that will convert TEXT to Gcode ? - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Text to Gcode
Thanks Lawrence, There isn't something that can do a bit more fancy fonts? I need to engrave a logo close as possible to Arial where letters about 20mm high. Lawrence Glaister wrote: See section 8 and 9 of this link... http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Simple_EMC_G-Code_Generators cheers LawrenceG On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 19:21 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know of a program that will convert TEXT to Gcode ? - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Text to Gcode
Yes, I already tried that program but it fails after execution. [EMAIL PROTECTED] truetype-tracer-3.0]# ./truetype-tracer 'BLA'test.ngc Fatal error in FT_New_Face: cannot open resource (1) at line:255 John Kasunich wrote: Did you scroll down the page Lawrence sent you to? Under 9. Other g-code generators is a link to TrueTypeTracer, a GPL program that will generate g-code from any True-Type font. http://www.timeguy.com/cradek/truetype Regards, John Kasuncih - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Text to Gcode
I cannot use EMC as it does not support my Isel's Gcode. All my work is 2-dimensional so i can program very quickly writing directly in GCODE and just sending the file to the ISEL. I would like to use EMC of course, but it doesnt support ISEL. I just dont like to program fonts...aarggh, therefore I want to see if there isn't something that can generate Truetype like fonts of variable size. The program you mentioned unfortunately fails to run after compilation. Chris Radek wrote: and which comes preinstalled on all the emc2 live cds... - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Text to Gcode
Thanks Lawrence. I missed the Fontfile import for Engrave11. I am pretty sure that will work if I can use fonts from Linux fontservers. How do you compile a Python program again? Lawrence Glaister wrote: I found the stick fonts that qcad and engrave-11 uses worked nicely for engraving panels with smaller labels (0.2 to 0.5 height). Engrave-11 uses fonts that the cutter cuts on the center line of the stroked fonts. Small endmills or v cuters or even diamond scribers work well I also like the vcarve v cutter method of doing fonts for signs, but I dont know of a free or open source program that does the v carving style of engraving. http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/vcp/vcp_index.htm cheers - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Text to Gcode
To add, when I run Engrave11, the GUI comes up, but there is only QUIT on the bottom and not Sendto ... and Quit as on the webpage. It does not generate Gcode and the text doesnt appear in the cursored Window. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Lawrence. I missed the Fontfile import for Engrave11. I am pretty sure that will work if I can use fonts from Linux fontservers. How do you compile a Python program again? Lawrence Glaister wrote: I found the stick fonts that qcad and engrave-11 uses worked nicely for engraving panels with smaller labels (0.2 to 0.5 height). Engrave-11 uses fonts that the cutter cuts on the center line of the stroked fonts. Small endmills or v cuters or even diamond scribers work well I also like the vcarve v cutter method of doing fonts for signs, but I dont know of a free or open source program that does the v carving style of engraving. http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/vcp/vcp_index.htm cheers - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] FYI, HNC on eBay
If you had to take it would still be worth it because nobody makes spindles as good as the one in that HNC -Maybe the control would fall off the truck on the way home if you were lucky Terry On Thu Jun 26 21:00 , Jon Elson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>sent: Kirk Wallace wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 11:09 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: Kirk Wallace wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll\?ViewItemitem=330246010908 Will they MAKE you take the GE 550 control? If so, you'll have to dispose of that clunker. I don't believe there's anything there that would be usable. Jon I reused the servo power supply. There are other higher(ish) current supplies that might be good for something else. Whenever I need a piece of wire, screw, switch, etc. I visit the 550. It's like having my own little RadioShack. My WHOLE basement is like a Radio Shack, only FAR better! I guess if you don't already have such an archive of goodies, it might be of use. Jon - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Getting Started with the Latest EMC2
I have just installed the latest EMC2 with Ubuntu 8.01. To get an Internet connection I need to install a Win XP driver for my Wireless NIC using ndisgtk. The instructions say to first install this using the Synaptic Package Manager and then to run it and locate my driver .inf file. Problem: Synaptic Package Manager cannot find the ndisgtk package to install it. Any suggestions __ John Harris E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] sherline configurations
Everyone has to start somewhere. Give the guy a break. Why be part of a group when you dont want to help out? John Kasunich wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for the numbers to put in for all four axes so that it runs properly In other words, it sounds like you know absolutely nothing about your own machine, and you want someone else to do all the work for you. - This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. Use priority code J8TL2D2. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] sherline configurations
Then, dont call this EMC-users Rather change this to EMC-Developers and have no users. or, if someone doesn't have something positive to say to a rudimentary question then don't participate. A user's list is for exactly that with questions from beginner to advanced. If folks want to complain about rudimentary questions then change the name else you mislead the public. The response to the post in that way was just dead uncouth. Steve Stallings wrote: In defense of John and many of the other long time EMC supporters, it is easy to get frustrated answering questions for people who seem to not be willing to try to help themselves. Newbies in many forums often fail, or seem to fail, to read any of the already available information. - This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100. Use priority code J8TL2D2. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;198757673;13503038;p?http://java.sun.com/javaone ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Large Retrofit Advice
hi Tony, I am hoping one of the software guru will port the motenc-lite plugin to the new board. I am very greatfull for all the help we have got. regards, abdul www.VitalSystem.com - Original Message From: Tony Bussan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 6:24:38 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Large Retrofit Advice I’m open to considering any hardware options, but will there be HAL drivers available? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:00 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Large Retrofit Advice hi Tony, we are releasing a new motenc board that will provide servo and stepper controls. the io are similar to motencLite with opto22 style connectors. In addition, we are also planning fieldbus I/O support (most likely devicenet) that will extend the i/o points to accomodate large mills. the fieldbus I/O come in a variety of ac/dc/relay contacts. so you don't need to use opto22 style i/o boards. Abdul Rafiq www.VitalSystem.com - Original Message From: Tony Bussan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:16:02 AM Subject: [Emc-users] Large Retrofit Advice I am hoping that I can get some advice from those of you that have done large scale retrofits of bigger machines. We have a Cincinnati Millicron with tool changer that we are retrofitting with EMC2. What motion control cards have you had good success with? Right now I am leaning toward the Motenc-lite. How are you handling the 5/24 volt transition between computer and machine? Are the Motenc breakout boards good enough or is OPTO22 the only way to go? How are you handling the massive number of I/O? I have something like 116 in and 38 out digital. I don't think I want to use parports. Is there a generic large digital I/O PCI board I am not finding? Has anyone done much modification to AXIS to make it more compatible with existing physical control panels? Removing duplicate buttons and sliders from AXIS, etc. Thanks in advance, Tony Bussan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Large Retrofit Advice
hi Tony, we are releasing a new motenc board that will provide servo and stepper controls. the io are similar to motencLite with opto22 style connectors. In addition, we are also planning fieldbus I/O support (most likely devicenet) that will extend the i/o points to accomodate large mills. the fieldbus I/O come in a variety of ac/dc/relay contacts. so you don't need to use opto22 style i/o boards. Abdul Rafiq www.VitalSystem.com - Original Message From: Tony Bussan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:16:02 AM Subject: [Emc-users] Large Retrofit Advice I am hoping that I can get some advice from those of you that have done large scale retrofits of bigger machines. We have a Cincinnati Millicron with tool changer that we are retrofitting with EMC2. What motion control cards have you had good success with? Right now I am leaning toward the Motenc-lite. How are you handling the 5/24 volt transition between computer and machine? Are the Motenc breakout boards good enough or is OPTO22 the only way to go? How are you handling the massive number of I/O? I have something like 116 in and 38 out digital. I don't think I want to use parports. Is there a generic large digital I/O PCI board I am not finding? Has anyone done much modification to AXIS to make it more compatible with existing physical control panels? Removing duplicate buttons and sliders from AXIS, etc. Thanks in advance, Tony Bussan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Modbus RS-485 Transceiver
Sure this is also correct, but if you run realtime equipment through 485 it is not worth it to run unisolated interfaces. It takes one voltage glitch or an inductive discharge close by or a lightning strike far away or a charge buildup on the guard to induce current in ground loops which are present in non-isolated converters. It is not worth your workpiece missing a critical command in realtime. If you use it for terminal programs like networking etc with error correction, fine then it is not an issue, but for real-time, I will never do that. Just one glitch and the workpiece is destroyed. My company was one of the first to use RS485 in specific industries back in 1988 with massive multi drop systems. We built a lot and learnt a lot and see folks making the same mistakes we encountered and resolved almost 20 years back. You have a ground loop, it is just a matter of time. Javid Butler wrote: Isolation is commonly used to deal with large common mode differentials. While that can blow a 485 tranciever it does not happen alot unless there are vey long cable runs or the cable runs between buildings. When running 485 for distances of a few hundred feet connecting equipment powered off the same mains transformer it's unlikely that enough differential will occur, but a quick check with a voltmeter before connecting equipment is always a good idea. So both comments are correct.In many cases 485 will run justfine without isolators, but some applications definitely require isolation. I build 485 isolators,but they are rarely tested to their limits.Often the isolation is more of an insurance policy-it ensures that a single device cannot takedown an entire network segment. Javid - Original Message - From: Dean Hedin To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Modbus RS-485 Transceiver At 6bucks a pop, buy 2. Seriously, I worked with 485 at a previous job and I never blew out a non isolated converter. Of course it might depend on what your doing I guess. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Modbus RS-485 Transceiver Good advice is never to buy non-isolated converters. You will replace them regularly if you do. This does not seem to be isolated. Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 03:06 -0500, Dean Hedin wrote: Interesting if you have the time.. But for six bucks and free shipping... http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6040 Obviously, I didn't look hard enough when went looking for these. Thanks for the link Dean. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Modbus RS-485 Transceiver
Good advice is never to buy non-isolated converters. You will replace them regularly if you do. This does not seem to be isolated. Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 03:06 -0500, Dean Hedin wrote: Interesting if you have the time.. But for six bucks and free shipping... http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6040 Obviously, I didn't look hard enough when went looking for these. Thanks for the link Dean. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] cnc advice
I need to 1) cut very fine threads on largish diameter tubes. (about 6 diameter pipe/tubing. Inside and outside thread.). 2) Cut fine threads on small diameter tubes. (sherline or Taig probably will do) If someone have experience with theis, please advice as to the best affordable machines for the two tasks. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Opencam Install Problem
Question on how to get opencam to install on Ubuntu 6.06. Downloaded the Opencam source package: http://opencam.sourceforge.net/opencam0.0.24.tar.gz Extracted the files to a subdirectory. Now how to you actually install the opencam executable? ./configure, make, sudo make install all fail to work. Bick51 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Latency issue
Hello all, I'm new to this group and also to EMC. I have just succesfully installed Ubuntu 6.0.6 and EMC and updated it to 2.2 without problems. When I tried to configure EMC however, I was confronted to the latency issue (close to 100 uS) mentioned in the docuentation, related to MSI boards. My computer is a laptop Dell C610 Pentium III 1Ghz. I'm not sure what kind of board or chipset it uses but it looks like if I'm suffering exactely this issue, as when I run the latency test, the numbers are low (in the region of 10 uS) but aproximately every 64 seconds, it has a pick which tales latency up to close 100 uS as mentioned. I have followed the directions I got from linuxcnc.org page which includes replacing the binary module rtai_smi.ko and modify rtapi_conf, but when I tray to save this file with the changes done, I'm not permited to save it as it is read only and apparently, I have no permisions. Is someone there who can direct me on how to get arround this barrier?. May be the solution is simple, but I have to mention that I'm also new to Linux. Thanks in advance. Jesus TERRA -- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Output Port Blues on EMC2, Ubuntu 6.06
I was running EMC using BDI 4.49. Changed over to EMC2, Ubuntu 6.06. The mini interface runs on the computer just fine, but the machine no longer communicates with my stepper box on LPT1. Does anyone know what file contains the I/O and pin settings for EMC2 on Ubuntu 6.06? W. Bickford Aiken, SC - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] 'Sherline' EMC Interface on Ubuntu 6.06?
I tried the Ubuntu 6.06 Live CD yesterday, and liked it. However the EMC interface was different than what I've grown accustomed to. I've been running EMC from BDI 4.49 since last July, 2006, using the 'Sherline' EMC interface. Is there a way to load the new Ubuntu 6.06, and still get a version of the 'Sherline' EMC? Or did I just not look at all the options? With any advice, be forewarned that the author is a mechanical/nuclear engineer, not a computer scientist. Wade Bickford Aiken, SC - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] wireless network campatiblity?EMC2 Live CD
Eventually I found the Devolo ether over mains plugs. and have now switched off the router WiFi - it was always a pain to use + not that secure. Hi, I've wondered about these myself and you seem to think they are more secure than a normal router (presumably with WEP encoding). What makes them more secure - what would stop someone else on your mains feed from the main power company transformer maybe several blocks away, picking up your signals and intercepting your web work or catching files you are transferring? -- Best wishes, Ian Ian W. Wright Sheffield UK The difference between theory and practice is much smaller in theory than in practice... - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Homing - zeroing - touch off
Thanks for your comments Andy but I can't see anything wrong in my ini file and still can't understand what is going on. The problem I was describing of not being able to reliably set zero home positions occurs when I first switch the machines on. For instance, I just turned on to set up a new job and the readings on the axes display in AXIS were - X 0.000, Y -0.000, Z -10.418 and A 737.592 I then issued a G92 X0.000 Y0.000 Z0.000 A0.000 in the MDI and all the axis readings then went to 0.000 - good. Then I hit the home button on each axis and they all showed the home icon with the displayed figures staying at 0.000 Now I jogged to X 2.752 Y 2.279 Z2.208 A -10.131 and then tried to 'touch off' each axis, setting each one to 0.000 in the touch off box. The readings then immediately went to X 12.842 Y -5.931 Z 4.645 A -56.156 ! The figures for the X and Y axis I can partly understand in that they were the positions I jogged to on a previous job but why the machine remembered them and went to them rather than the 0.000 I commanded I don't know. The figures for the Z and A axes are a total mystery and mean nothing to me at all. I have found that if I repeat the G92, home, then touch off about 3 times, the axes figures will settle at 0.000 after touching off but I don't know why.. The only EMC file I altered is the ini file which is listed below and seems innocuous to me. Can anyone offer any enlightenment please?? # EMC controller parameters for generic controller. Make these what you need # for your system. # General note: Comments can either be preceded with a # or ; - either is # acceptable, although # is in keeping with most linux config files. # Settings with a + at the front of the comment are likely needed to get # changed by the user. # Settings with a - at the front are highly unneeded to be changed ### # General section ### [EMC] #- Version of this INI file VERSION = $Revision: 1.7.2.3 $ #+ Name of machine, for use with display, etc. MACHINE = EMC-HAL-STEP-XYZA-MM #- Name of NML file to use, default is configs/common/emc.nml NML_FILE = emc.nml #+ Debug level, 0 means no messages. See src/emc/nml_int/emcglb.h for others DEBUG = 0 # DEBUG = 0x0007 # DEBUG = 0x7FFF ### # Sections for display options ### [DISPLAY] #+ Name of display program, e.g., xemc DISPLAY = axis # DISPLAY = usrmot # DISPLAY = mini # DISPLAY = tkemc # Cycle time, in seconds, that display will sleep between polls CYCLE_TIME =0.100 #- Path to help file HELP_FILE = doc/help.txt #- Initial display setting for position, RELATIVE or MACHINE POSITION_OFFSET = RELATIVE #- Initial display setting for position, COMMANDED or ACTUAL POSITION_FEEDBACK = ACTUAL #+ Highest value that will be allowed for feed override, 1.0 = 100% MAX_FEED_OVERRIDE = 9.0 #- Prefix to be used PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/ian/emc2/nc_files #- Introductory graphic INTRO_GRAPHIC = emc2.gif INTRO_TIME =3 ### # Task controller section ### [TASK] #- Name of task controller program, e.g., bridgeporttask TASK = milltask # TASK =minimilltask #- Cycle time, in seconds, that task controller will sleep between polls CYCLE_TIME =0.007 ### # Part program interpreter section ### [RS274NGC] #- File containing interpreter variables PARAMETER_FILE =stepper.var ### # Motion control section ### [EMCMOT] #- Name of the motion controller to use (only one exists for nontrivkins) EMCMOT = motmod #- Key for real OS shared memory, e.g., for simulated motion SHMEM_KEY = 111 #- Timeout for comm to emcmot, in seconds COMM_TIMEOUT = 1.0 #- Interval between tries to emcmot, in seconds COMM_WAIT = 0.010 #+ Base task period, in nanosecs - this is the fastest thread in the machine BASE_PERIOD =4 #- Servo task period, in nanosecs - will be rounded to an int multiple of BASE_PERIOD SERVO_PERIOD = 100 #- Trajectory Planner task period, in nanosecs - will be rounded to an # integer multiple of SERVO_PERIOD
[Emc-users] Homing - zeroing - touch off
Hi, I'm a bit confused I'm running EMC 2.1.7 with a simple stepper setup and, at the moment, no home or limit switches set up. So, I set the material on the machine and then want to zero EMC at some point on this material. From the literature I assumed that I should go to the AXIS manual screen, jog to the position I want and hit the 'Touch Off' button to set the position as far as software is concerned to zero or some other chosen figure - it doesn't seem to work or, at least, not for all axes which seems strange. When I do this, a couple of the axes will show 0.000 on the screen but the other two will change to some other figure that I can't understand like -3.234 or 24.554 or something - different from the figure they were at but not zero or the commanded figure. Also, when I hit the 'Home' button on this manual screen, some of the axes will just dhow the home symbol next to the displayed figure but others will again change their figures. I have been setting the position by issuing a G92 command for each axis but, if I then hit the 'home' button again, the figure will change and I have to do it all again. Is it me or is there a problem with my ini files or the program? I believe someone also mentioned being able to set axes to zero with a 'shift-home' command from the keyboard but this doesn't seem to do anything on my setup. Maybe I just don't understand what should be happening - could someone enlighten me please? -- Best wishes, Ian Ian W. Wright Sheffield UK The difference between theory and practice is much smaller in theory than in practice... - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Curve in place of square edges...
I have also noticed a slightly similar thing but in a different context. I have a script in which a cut is made by the Y axis then this returns by means of a G0 and the work is turned by the A axis. The A axis always starts to move just before the Y axis stops. This is on a basic stepper machine and I am using the latest EMC2-Ubuntu iso release now - 2.1.6. Sorry Ray, didn't mean to break it just yet!!! ;-} lol -- Best wishes, Ian Ian W. Wright Sheffield UK The difference between theory and practice is much smaller in theory than in practice... - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] loading emc-unbuntu
Chris, How about putting the hard drive from the bad machine into the good machine and trying to install onto it there? The other thing would be to get hold of a low level disk repair program and run it on the disk from the suspect machine. If you install the Linux as the only OS on the machine it should reformat the whole disk and probably get rid of any problems generated on there by windoze. -- Best wishes, Ian Ian W. Wright Sheffield UK The difference between theory and practice is much smaller in theory than in practice... - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Ray Henry wrote.. BTW -- is this THE Ian! The one who tested the backplotter the day after it's first release and found a way to make EMC barf on a NAN? If yes, wow. Good to see you again. If not ignore most of this. Hi Ray, Yes, its me I'm afraid. Back again trying to break things - but mainly now my own brain... -- Best wishes, Ian Ian W. Wright Sheffield UK The difference between theory and practice is much smaller in theory than in practice... - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Problem with EMC script - understanding error message
Jeff Epler wrote: On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 11:15:29AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a couple of points I'm not completely clear on - in the above example, are line numbers needed on every line of the subroutine or just at the ends? O-numbers are required on lines where the flow control words such as sub, endsub, do, while are used. The interpreter uses these numbers to match up the beginning and end of a subroutine or a loop. Gene Heskett wrote: N0300 do (first cut of pinion leaves) N0400 o100 call [#12][#14] N0500 [#17] = [#17] + 1 (increment counter) N0600 G0 A[360/[#13]] (rotate work one tooth distance) N0700 while [#17] LT 5 Ahh, I think your do while need to be matching o words. Thanks Jeff Gene, I modified the script as below but now I'm back to one of the original problems - it won't load because it says near line 49 .. unknown word where unary operation could be (Line 49 is my line numbered N0400). This is at the call to the first subroutine, o100, and the only way I could clear it before was to take out the o100 before the endsub - but then the program wouldn't run. I tried isolating the problem by the rather crude method of simply temporarily deleting each line of code in turn to see if the error would clear or at least move on to the next error and this was how I identified the endsub line number to be a problem, however, I've just tried the same again and it has no effect. - now I'm stuck again although there may be just a glimmer of light from Gene's comment - is the error that the do/while loop in the main part of the program should be numbered differently and have both lines preceded by an Oxxx number? If so would that then be another subroutine which would need calling from a main program consisting just of calls? Boy, this stuff is fussy!! % #40 = 1.4( o.d ) #41 = 0.38(root dia) #42 = [[#40 - #41] / 2](cut depth) #43 = 5(number of teeth) #44 = 4(length of cut) #45 = [360/[#43]](angular increment) #46 = 0.09(cutter thickness) #47 = 1(counter) #48 = 1(tooth counter) #49 = 10(step angle for rounding) #50 = [[#40]/2](radius of work) #51 = 10(increment for rounding steps) #52 = 90(final arc angle) o100 sub(cuts one slot in blank) G1 X[#1/2] F#3 G1 Y#2 G0 Y[0-#2] G1 X#1 F#3 G1 Y#2 G0 Y[0-#2] o100 endsub o200 sub(rounds half top of pinion leaf in several steps) o201 do G0 Z[sin[#4]/#6] X[cos[#4]/#6] G1 Y#5 F4 G0 Y[0-[#5]] G0 A#7 #10 = [[#4]+[#7]] o201 while [#4 LT #8] o200 endsub o300 sub(rounds other half top of pinion leaf in several steps) o301 do G0 Z[0-[sin[#4]/#6] X[cos[#4]/#6] G1 Y#5 F4 G0 Y[0-[#5]] G0 A[0-[#7]] #10 = [[#4]+[#7]] o301 while [#4 LT #8] o300 endsub N0100 G92 X0 Y0 Z0(set axes to zero) N0200 G21 G91(metric units, incremental moves) N0300 do(first cut of pinion leaves) N0400 o100 call [#42][#44][4.0] N0500 #47 = [#47 + 1](increment counter) N0600 G0 A[360/[#43]](rotate work one tooth distance) N0700 while [#47 LT 5] N0800 #47 = 1(set counter back to 1) N0900 G0 A[0-[[#45]/3]](rotate by thickness of pinion leaf and) N1000 G0 Z#46(move cutter - saw - to other side of leaf) N1100 do(cut other side of pinion leaves) N1200 o100 call [#42][#44][4.0] N1300 #47 = [#47 + 1] N1400 G0 A[0-[360/[#43]]] N1500 while [#47 LT 5] N1600 #47 = 1(set counter back to 1) N1700 G0 A[[#45]/6](move cutter to centre of leaf) N1800 G0 Z[0-[[#46]/2]( ) N1900 do(round over half the leaf and repeat for all leaves) N2000 o200 call [#40][#44][#50][#51][#52] N2100 #47 = [#47 + 1] N2200 G0 A[360/[#43]] N2300 while [#47 LT 5] N2400 #47 = 1(set counter back to 1) N2500 G0 Z0 A-90(set cutter and pinion leaf back to centre) N2600 G0 Z[[#16]/2] N2700 do(round over other half the leaf and repeat for all leaves) N2800 o300 call [#40][#44][#50][#51][#52] N2900 #47 = [#47 + 1] N3000 G0 A[0-[360/[#43]]] N3100 while [#47 LT 5] N3200 #47 = 1(clean up) N3300 G0 X-20 Z40 Y50(retract tool) N3200 G30 % -- Best wishes, Ian Ian W. Wright Sheffield UK The difference between theory and practice is much smaller in theory than in practice... -- Best wishes, Ian Ian W. Wright Sheffield UK The difference between theory and practice is much smaller in theory than in practice... - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists
[Emc-users] Proglem with EMC script - understanding error message
Hi, While I have been playing around with EMC since its invention, I have only recently started to use it seriously as I've only recently finished (as though it will ever be 'finished') a little cnc milling machine for making parts for the antique watches I restore and other miniature parts. I have been trying to work out a 'universal' script to allow me to mill tiny pinions but I've hit a problem in that it is giving me an error message I don't understand - I do wish that the developers of EMC would address the understandability of the various error messages to we simple users The machine is set up to use axes XYZA in metric with the 'A' axis set parallel to the 'Y' axis in this case so that the end of the work is clearly visible. The finished pinion OD is 1.40mm and it has 5 leaves of cycloidal profile - radial flanks with semicircular tips. The intention of the script is to use a miniature slitting saw 0.09mm thick to cut first one flank of each leaf, then the other flank and then to round over each side of the tips by taking cuts at 10 degree increments. I would ideally have liked to work out a way to make the tips continuously rounded but I don't seem to be able to find a way to do this over the length of the pinion - i.e. I could do it by sending the X, Z and A axes to a finishing point simultaneously and produce a rounded surface at one point on the length of the pinion but this would then have to be repeated many times to get a continuous edge. Anyway, here is the script... the error message I am getting is near line 2 unknown word where unary operation could be - does this refer to line 2 of the script i.e. a problem amongst the variables, or is it a problem with line 0200 of the part of the script that runs and why does it say that a 'unary operation 'could' be there'? Any help would be very much appreciated Ian #D = 1.4( o.d ) #R = 0.38(root dia) #C = [[[#D] - [#R]] / 2](cut depth) #N = 5(number of teeth) #L = 4(lenght of cut) #A = [360/[#N#]](angular increment) #V = 0.09(cutter thickness) #Q = 1(counter) #T = 1(tooth counter) #S = 10(step angle for rounding) #r = [[#D]/2](radius of work) #I = 10(increment for rounding steps) #F = 90(final arc angle) o100 sub(cuts one slot in blank) G1 X[[#C]/2] F4 Y[#L] Y-[#L] X[#C] Y[#L] Y-[#L] endsub o200 sub(rounds half top of pinion leaf in several steps) do Z[[sin[#S]/[#r]] X[[cos[#S]/[#r]] G1 Y[#L] F4 G0 Y-[L] A[#I] #S = [[#S]+[#I]] while [#S] LT [#F] endsub o300 sub(rounds other half top of pinion leaf in several steps) do Z-[[sin[#S]/[#r]] X[[cos[#S]/[#r]] G1 Y[#L] F4 G0 Y-[L] A-[#I] #S = [[#S]+[#I]] while [#S] LT [#F] endsub N0100 G92 X0 Y0 Z0(set axes to zero) N0200 G21 G91(metric units, incremental moves) N0300 do(first cut of pinion leaves) N0400 o100 call N0500 #Q = [#Q] + 1(increment counter) N0600 A[360/[#N]](rotate work one tooth distance) N0700 while #Q LT 5 (should this be 6?) N0800 #Q = 1(set counter back to 1) N0900 A-[[#A]/3](rotate by thickness of pinion leaf and) N1000 Z[#V](move cutter - saw - to other side of leaf) N1100 do(cut other side of pinion leaves) N1200 o100 call N1300 #Q = [#Q] + 1 N1400 A-[360/[#N]] N1500 while #Q LT 5 N1600 #Q = 1(set counter back to 1) N1700 A[[#A]/6](move cutter to centre of leaf) N1800 Z-[[#V]/2]( ) N1900 do(round over half the leaf and repeat for all leaves) N2000 o200 call N2100 #Q = [#Q] + 1 N2200 A[360/[#N]] N2300 while #Q LT 5 N2400 #Q = 1(set counter back to 1) N2500 Z0 A-90(set cutter and pinion leaf back to centre) N2600 Z[[#V#/2] N2700 do(round over other half the leaf and repeat for all leaves) N2800 o300 call N2900 #Q = [#Q] + 1 N3000 A-[360/[#N]] N3100 while #Q LT 5 N3200 #Q = 1(clean up) N3300 X-20 Z40 Y50(retract tool) N3200 G40 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Proglem with EMC script - understanding error message
Hi again, Thanks to everyone who responded to my earlier mailing. As a result and after a considerable rewrite and correction I have now managed to get the script to load - however, it does nothing!! When I hit 'R' or press the play button, the screen flashes briefly and returns to the stop state - the machine doesn't even twitch... Do I have a problem in trying to run nested 'do - while' loops, its the only thing I can think of that might do nothing. there are no error messages displayed. Here is the rewritten script - any advice would be very welcome. Thanks.. Ian % #10 = 1.4( o.d ) #11 = 0.38(root dia) #12 = [[#10 - #11] / 2](cut depth) #13 = 5(number of teeth) #14 = 4(length of cut) #15 = [360/[#13]](angular increment) #16 = 0.09(cutter thickness) #17 = 1(counter) #18 = 1(tooth counter) #19 = 10(step angle for rounding) #20 = [[#10]/2](radius of work) #21 = 10(increment for rounding steps) #22 = 90(final arc angle) o100 sub(cuts one slot in blank) G1 X[[#12]/2] F4 G1 Y[#14] F4 G0 Y[0-[#14]] G1 X[#12] F4 G1 Y[#14] F4 G0 Y[0-[14]] endsub o200 sub(rounds half top of pinion leaf in several steps) do G0 Z[[sin[#10]/[#20]] X[[cos[#10]/[#20]] G1 Y[#14] F4 G0 Y[0-[#14]] G0 A[#21] #10 = [[#10]+[#21]] while [#10] LT [#22] endsub o300 sub(rounds other half top of pinion leaf in several steps) do G0 Z[0-[[sin[#10]/[#20]] X[[cos[#10]/[#20]]] G1 Y[#14] F4 G0 Y[0-[#14]] G0 A[0-[#21]] #10 = [[#10]+[#21]] while [#10] LT [#22] endsub N0100 G92 X0 Y0 Z0(set axes to zero) N0200 G21 G91(metric units, incremental moves) N0300 do(first cut of pinion leaves) N0400 o100 call [#12][#14] N0500 [#17] = [#17] + 1(increment counter) N0600 G0 A[360/[#13]](rotate work one tooth distance) N0700 while [#17] LT 5 N0800 [#17] = 1(set counter back to 1) N0900 G0 A[0-[[#15]/3]](rotate by thickness of pinion leaf and) N1000 G0 Z[#16](move cutter - saw - to other side of leaf) N1100 do(cut other side of pinion leaves) N1200 o100 call [#12][#14] N1300 [#17] = [#17] + 1 N1400 G0 A[0-[360/[#13]]] N1500 while [#17] LT 5 N1600 [#17] = 1(set counter back to 1) N1700 G0 A[[#15]/6](move cutter to centre of leaf) N1800 G0 Z[0-[[#16]/2]( ) N1900 do(round over half the leaf and repeat for all leaves) N2000 o200 call [#10][#14][#20][#21][#22] N2100 #17 = [#17] + 1 N2200 G0 A[360/[#13]] N2300 while #17 LT 5 N2400 #17 = 1(set counter back to 1) N2500 G0 Z0 A-90(set cutter and pinion leaf back to centre) N2600 G0 Z[[#16]/2] N2700 do(round over other half the leaf and repeat for all leaves) N2800 o300 call [#10][#14][#20][#21][#22] N2900 #17 = [#17] + 1 N3000 G0 A[0-[360/[#13]]] N3100 while #17 LT 5 N3200 #17 = 1(clean up) N3300 G0 X-20 Z40 Y50(retract tool) N3200 G30 % -- Best wishes, Ian Ian W. Wright Sheffield UK The difference between theory and practice is much smaller in theory than in practice... -- Best wishes, Ian Ian W. Wright Sheffield UK The difference between theory and practice is much smaller in theory than in practice... - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Floating Z (solenoid on PCB Mill) Hal configuration
In case anyone else has one of these PCB mills with the solenoid driven floating Z, I thought I would share my configuration changes. The premise I worked with was that if I could take the commanded Z position and convert it to a bit output to my solenoid relay I could use the standard drill and move codes with it. So I connected the Zpos-cmd and a constant "0" to a comparator and then routed that to the par-port. Now any commanded Z position 0 or greater results in the head up and any Z command less than 0 puts the head down. Here is what I did, let me know if it could use any adjustments, I am new to this hal thing. In stepper_inch.ini I added a line for my new hal file: HALFILE= solenoid_Z.hal My new hal file solenoid_Z.hal contains: loadrt blocks constant=1 comp=1 constant.0.value=0 newsig constcomp float linksp constcomp comp.0.in1 linksp Zpos-cmd comp0.in0 newsig discrete_Z bit linksp discrete_Z comp.0.out linksp discrete_Z parport.0.pin-07-out addf constant.0 servo-thread addf comp.0 servo-thread That's it. After a few syntax problems it worked. I am quite happy. Have fun, Tony- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] gcode output for xfig updated
GCODE for XFIG? Amazing. I havent used Xfig for about 8 years now, but can you giove me some information about what kind of realistic cnc projects can be done with Xfig? I basically used xfig long ago to create eps drawings for publications. Lrv Till Harbaum / Lists wrote: Hi, someone who wants to stay anonymous donated new font support code the gcode enabled xfig. Thus the downloads are enabled again. Till - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Isel Linux
I studied up the G-code of my Isel Machines and is now ready to write a translator that can work with EMC pretty easily and finaly move everything over to Linux, by means of the intermediate translator I wrote. That part is sorted out. The remaining task is to replace the Windows Cad program. I am using BobCad at the moment on windows which is a truly *painful application* and overly complicated CAD program riddled with ambiguity and a workflow only the programmer understands. My question is, is there a simple 2-d 3-d cad program with DXF or such output I can feed into EMC for toolpath generation? A CAD program I REALLY like is emachineshop as it is at last a 2-d 3-d cad program anyone can understand. http://www.emachineshop.com/audio/07-menu-job-order-help/video.html; Unfortunately it does not export any DXF and such so you must use it to buy at emachineshop. Is there any CAD similar and as clear to use available on Linux? I just dont have the time and energy to fight through Autocad and even worse, LinuxCad to do something simple in 2-D. Emachineshop is about 100% a good match for what I am doing. Thanks Lrv. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Isel Linux
Jon Elson wrote: I don't know if this is apropos, but... I also have Bobcad/CAM 16.1, but rarely use it. Most of the work I do is the simplest 2-D work cutting instrument panels and such. So, I wrote a bunch of small programs that create the G-code to do the most common things, like rectangular cutouts, round cutouts, etc. I also have some that handle a hole circle and grid of holes, and a table of arbitrary X-Y hole locations. One input file, and it will generate spotting, drilling and tapping programs for all the holes. So, I use this stuff far more than cad/cam, because it is faster to create, and more efficient to machine. Many of these have been ported over to the "scripts" on EMC2, but I have them on my web site, too, at http://jelinux.pico-systems.com/gcode.html That is exactly what I do right now is using my own scripts where objects such as odd circular forms and other shapes are created using Pascal programs to generate the Isel g-code. Scripts are absolutely great for repetitive jobs. The problem though is that I need to make solid stock objects too with limited 3-d features and it is great to have the cad-work/drawings for that so I want to have those done from CAD side. I quoted the wrong link for ems sorry. Here is a good example of about exactly the complexity I do and Linux cad I would like advice on to do similar. "http://www.emachineshop.com/audio/13-advanced-3d/video.html" My question is, is there a simple 2-d 3-d cad program with DXF or such output I can feed into EMC for toolpath generation? EMC doesn't take DXF, it takes RS-274D, also known as G-code. DXF is good to move a drawing from one CAD system to another, but it leaves so much info out of the transfer that it causes a number of problems. I know that, but it is easy to use a dxf to G-code converter. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Isel Linux
Hi Jerry, thanks a lot!!! I would not have found that on my own at all and I watch linux CAD systems constantly. What a nice find! I am sure going to try it out now. What I really like is the MILL instruction along a predefined route. That really simplifies things. You basically just route a path with line segments and then say mill alongh path after you give the bit size. That is quite nice! Lrv jerry wrote: --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is, is there a simple 2-d 3-d cad program with DXF or suchoutput I can feed into EMC for toolpath generation? EMC doesn't take DXF, it takes RS-274D, also known as G-code.DXF is good to move a drawing from one CAD system to another, but it leaves so much info out of the transfer that it causes a number of problems. I know that, but it is easy to use a dxf to G-code converter. Check this program out, just found it yesterday: http://www.graphiteone-cad.com/ blurb from the web page: "GraphiteOne version 1.3 is still available for free download for non revenue generating purposes. This includes personal, educational, or research usage. Please read the following informations carefully befor you download. The GraphiteOne Free Version provides the same functionality as the commercial version but is limited to personal, educational or research use only. You may use this version as long as it is not used for commercial or any revenue generating puropses. The Free Version is released under the following licence. Please read this licence before you continue to the download section." Also this link has info about another bootable disc, based on PClinuxOS, lots of computer aided engineering stuff: http://www.caelinux.com/CMS/ Jerry Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Hal newbie question
Hello, Just joined the list and started looking seriously at EMC2. I have read the user, install, and HAL guides and think I get the idea. What I'm wondering is if there is a How To doc somewhere that gives a real beginners look at setting up a stepper drive. For instance, assuming one has a stepper with interface that can take step and direction signals (and perhaps micro step), here's how to do a HAL config with the parallel port to make the stepper move. Thanks, Mac myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Printer
Hi all: Can any one tell me how to get my epson printer to work with emc2??? Also, is their any cad software that works with linux that we can use with emc2??? Many thanks: Bill - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
