Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
On 10 Feb 2014, at 10:38, andy pugh wrote: On 10 February 2014 07:35, Marcus Bowman marcus.bow...@visible.eclipse.co.uk wrote: Is that a 100 pulse per turn encoder? Does that give enough resolution? I am currently running with a 16 pulse per turn encoder and it is perfectly OK. I have a 100ppr one to fit, I anticipate having to reduce the mm-per-click settings in my config. (one of these inexpensive ones http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281232534797 ) That's the one I was looking at. And I see the price has dropped, so that's the way to go, for me (before the price goes back up). Thanks. Marcus -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Android apps run on BlackBerry 10 Introducing the new BlackBerry 10.2.1 Runtime for Android apps. Now with support for Jelly Bean, Bluetooth, Mapview and more. Get your Android app in front of a whole new audience. Start now. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=124407151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
On 10 February 2014 07:35, Marcus Bowman marcus.bow...@visible.eclipse.co.uk wrote: Is that a 100 pulse per turn encoder? Does that give enough resolution? I am currently running with a 16 pulse per turn encoder and it is perfectly OK. I have a 100ppr one to fit, I anticipate having to reduce the mm-per-click settings in my config. (one of these inexpensive ones http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281232534797 ) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
On 02/09/2014 11:35 PM, Marcus Bowman wrote: Nice and straightforward. Is that a 100 pulse per turn encoder? Does that give enough resolution? I made this one as a proof of concept: http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Shizuoka/mpg_proto-1a.jpg It has 100 pulses/rev, 25 cycles/rev. and works well for axis jogging. I expect to use many of these, so I need them to be as inexpensive as possible. Making them in house is the cheapest so far. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/ -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
On 02/10/2014 01:35 AM, Marcus Bowman wrote: Nice and straightforward. Is that a 100 pulse per turn encoder? Does that give enough resolution? 100 pulses gives 400 counts in quadrature, so it is more than enough. I divide the scale factors by 4, so I have .01, .001, and .0001 per click of the encoder. I have a lowpass filter on it (thanks, Jeff Epler!) to prevent it from buzzing the servos. I use it often when cleaning up a face or edge while off-hand machining to count out thousandths of an inch for the next pass. And, I use the .0001 per click mode with an edgefinder. Jon -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
This is one of the things on the high priority list for the VMC here to me. I can really see that it would be nice to have and setting up jobs would be that much easier. My waterproof and debris proof keyboard is great but one of those would come in real handy. Interested to see what you guys go with and why and how well it works for you. Please keep us posted on them. Pete On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Billy Huddleston bi...@ivdc.com wrote: Wow, I didn't even notice the fact that it wasn't for Mach3. Now you have me concerned on which one to get. Silver Button, with 18-Keys would be the one I would want.. But, not finding that one.. I see the Red button versions, with BLUE keys.. automationtechnologiesinc has the Red Button 18-Key that looks just like the first ebay link I sent.. but, says it's for Mach3. I'm debating about wired vs wireless... I hate getting stuff from China sometimes.. hard to tell exactly what your going to get.. This is for my little shop, so, restricting me not a issue.. the room does that just fine.. only 7' x 11' :) Thanks, Billy On 02/08/2014 09:31 AM, Ted Hyde wrote: Billy - I have each of these. The red button one was the first I picked up over a year ago, before a lot of the heavy lifting was being worked on for the HID interface for LCNC; I thought perhaps I would find some time to reverse-engineer it, and worst case, I could give it to a friend of mine who uses Mach3. I couldn't get it to set up with Mach3 at all, neither could my friend, and it refuses to connect with the current HB04 components. Your particular ebay link states Does not work with Mach3 and that should be a warning, although the one I got didn't disclose that. I can't say if it's the same problem, or if the unit was defective, I couldn't even get the HID descriptor to decompile, so perhaps I just received a flaky unit. On the other hand, the silver power button version (actual HB04) I picked up about 6 months ago, worked perfectly right out of the box (profile 2 for the menu layout, I believe), I now have a second one, and both work fine simultaneously, in a shop that has 3 CNC machines, lots of neighboring industrial equipment, and even an RF testing lab a few doors down. I get a very solid 50+ foot range, it's just a matter of ensuring the right remote stays with the right machine. I'm typically the only one using the pendants, so I have an additional level of safety where there is typically only one in use at a time. Plenty of traditional control and estop on each system remains. I have no idea how each pendant is paired to its receiver, whether it's just a factory-side pairing, a serial number or GUID, or just luck from different batches at different times. I agree that a wired pendant is often more appropriate for daily operation because it restricts the operator physically, although a wireless one I've found to be very handy and I believe safer particularly for maintenance or during the building of a machine, to not be hindered by cords, where you can just place the pendant on anything steel (the back is magnetic) and it will stay there, and not accidentally get pulled off by the dreaded coily cord syndrome. (Admittedly, the cabled USB version of this pendant isn't coily, which I consider a good thing). And if you forget it there, the pendant is not likely to be damaged, just perhaps your pride. Kudos to Fred, Seb, Dewey co for great work on that component inclusion. It's clean, stable, and I think just the right amount of thought for using a USB interface for this purpose. Regards, Ted. On 2/7/2014 11:55 AM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: -- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 11:49:19 -0500 From: Billy Huddlestonbi...@ivdc.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID:52f50e8f.2070...@ivdc.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed These look interesting.. I might get one.. Only issue I see is.. all the ones I can find are the 18 key version.. Which hasn't been tested with the driver according to the Wiki. Also, Ebay has several of which that have a different face plate.. Ones with Blue and have Macro.. I like the 16 Key better.. Has Step Mode instead of and says X Y Z 4 Spindle Feed. Looks like the newer one Has X Y Z Spindle Feed and Something Else ? Also like the silver all metal button vs the cheap looking red one.. Can anyone comment on the different ones ? On Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-NCStudio-CNC-3-4-Axis-Wireless-Handwheel-Manual-Pulse-Generator-MPG-Pendant-/171161089364?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Partshash=item27d9fef554 One with BLUE keypad -- Has the nice silver Button. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4G-Wireless-Mach3-MPG-Pendant-Electronic-Handwheel-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
On 02/09/2014 08:50 AM, Pete Matos wrote: This is one of the things on the high priority list for the VMC here to me. I can really see that it would be nice to have and setting up jobs would be that much easier. My waterproof and debris proof keyboard is great but one of those would come in real handy. Interested to see what you guys go with and why and how well it works for you. Please keep us posted on them. I just made my own. See http://pico-systems.com/pendant.html The picture is my ugly one, I later made a smaller one that can be operated with one hand. Jon -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
Nice and straightforward. Is that a 100 pulse per turn encoder? Does that give enough resolution? Marcus On 9 Feb 2014, at 17:59, Jon Elson wrote: On 02/09/2014 08:50 AM, Pete Matos wrote: This is one of the things on the high priority list for the VMC here to me. I can really see that it would be nice to have and setting up jobs would be that much easier. My waterproof and debris proof keyboard is great but one of those would come in real handy. Interested to see what you guys go with and why and how well it works for you. Please keep us posted on them. I just made my own. See http://pico-systems.com/pendant.html The picture is my ugly one, I later made a smaller one that can be operated with one hand. Jon -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
I have the one with BLUE keypad and works OK, you can read about that here: http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/24-hal-components/26679-xhc-hb04-wireless-mpg-pendant-hal-module?start=10 Till now I didn't noticed any glitches except display going to sleep after ~40sec These look interesting.. I might get one.. Only issue I see is.. all the ones I can find are the 18 key version.. Which hasn't been tested with the driver according to the Wiki. Also, Ebay has several of which that have a different face plate.. Ones with Blue and have Macro.. I like the 16 Key better.. Has Step Mode instead of and says X Y Z 4 Spindle Feed. Looks like the newer one Has X Y Z Spindle Feed and Something Else ? Also like the silver all metal button vs the cheap looking red one.. Can anyone comment on the different ones ? On Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-NCStudio-CNC-3-4-Axis-Wireless-Handwheel-Manual-Pulse-Generator-MPG-Pendant-/171161089364?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Partshash=item27d9fef554 One with BLUE keypad -- Has the nice silver Button. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4G-Wireless-Mach3-MPG-Pendant-Electronic-Handwheel-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-Axis-/390713482854?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5af8569e66 -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
Wow, I didn't even notice the fact that it wasn't for Mach3. Now you have me concerned on which one to get. Silver Button, with 18-Keys would be the one I would want.. But, not finding that one.. I see the Red button versions, with BLUE keys.. automationtechnologiesinc has the Red Button 18-Key that looks just like the first ebay link I sent.. but, says it's for Mach3. I'm debating about wired vs wireless... I hate getting stuff from China sometimes.. hard to tell exactly what your going to get.. This is for my little shop, so, restricting me not a issue.. the room does that just fine.. only 7' x 11' :) Thanks, Billy On 02/08/2014 09:31 AM, Ted Hyde wrote: Billy - I have each of these. The red button one was the first I picked up over a year ago, before a lot of the heavy lifting was being worked on for the HID interface for LCNC; I thought perhaps I would find some time to reverse-engineer it, and worst case, I could give it to a friend of mine who uses Mach3. I couldn't get it to set up with Mach3 at all, neither could my friend, and it refuses to connect with the current HB04 components. Your particular ebay link states Does not work with Mach3 and that should be a warning, although the one I got didn't disclose that. I can't say if it's the same problem, or if the unit was defective, I couldn't even get the HID descriptor to decompile, so perhaps I just received a flaky unit. On the other hand, the silver power button version (actual HB04) I picked up about 6 months ago, worked perfectly right out of the box (profile 2 for the menu layout, I believe), I now have a second one, and both work fine simultaneously, in a shop that has 3 CNC machines, lots of neighboring industrial equipment, and even an RF testing lab a few doors down. I get a very solid 50+ foot range, it's just a matter of ensuring the right remote stays with the right machine. I'm typically the only one using the pendants, so I have an additional level of safety where there is typically only one in use at a time. Plenty of traditional control and estop on each system remains. I have no idea how each pendant is paired to its receiver, whether it's just a factory-side pairing, a serial number or GUID, or just luck from different batches at different times. I agree that a wired pendant is often more appropriate for daily operation because it restricts the operator physically, although a wireless one I've found to be very handy and I believe safer particularly for maintenance or during the building of a machine, to not be hindered by cords, where you can just place the pendant on anything steel (the back is magnetic) and it will stay there, and not accidentally get pulled off by the dreaded coily cord syndrome. (Admittedly, the cabled USB version of this pendant isn't coily, which I consider a good thing). And if you forget it there, the pendant is not likely to be damaged, just perhaps your pride. Kudos to Fred, Seb, Dewey co for great work on that component inclusion. It's clean, stable, and I think just the right amount of thought for using a USB interface for this purpose. Regards, Ted. On 2/7/2014 11:55 AM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: -- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 11:49:19 -0500 From: Billy Huddlestonbi...@ivdc.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID:52f50e8f.2070...@ivdc.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed These look interesting.. I might get one.. Only issue I see is.. all the ones I can find are the 18 key version.. Which hasn't been tested with the driver according to the Wiki. Also, Ebay has several of which that have a different face plate.. Ones with Blue and have Macro.. I like the 16 Key better.. Has Step Mode instead of and says X Y Z 4 Spindle Feed. Looks like the newer one Has X Y Z Spindle Feed and Something Else ? Also like the silver all metal button vs the cheap looking red one.. Can anyone comment on the different ones ? On Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-NCStudio-CNC-3-4-Axis-Wireless-Handwheel-Manual-Pulse-Generator-MPG-Pendant-/171161089364?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Partshash=item27d9fef554 One with BLUE keypad -- Has the nice silver Button. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4G-Wireless-Mach3-MPG-Pendant-Electronic-Handwheel-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-Axis-/390713482854?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5af8569e66 -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
Quoth David Armstrong. I started looking around for some cnc pendant. I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html yes the xhc04 has been added to linuxcnc http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant FWIW, I've got one of those and it works for me using the info on the above page. -- Regards, Russell | Russell Brown | MAIL: russ...@lls.com PHONE: 01780 471800 | | Lady Lodge Systems | WWW Work: http://www.lls.com | | Peterborough, England | WWW Play: http://www.ruffle.me.uk | -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
These look interesting.. I might get one.. Only issue I see is.. all the ones I can find are the 18 key version.. Which hasn't been tested with the driver according to the Wiki. Also, Ebay has several of which that have a different face plate.. Ones with Blue and have Macro.. I like the 16 Key better.. Has Step Mode instead of and says X Y Z 4 Spindle Feed. Looks like the newer one Has X Y Z Spindle Feed and Something Else ? Also like the silver all metal button vs the cheap looking red one.. Can anyone comment on the different ones ? On Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-NCStudio-CNC-3-4-Axis-Wireless-Handwheel-Manual-Pulse-Generator-MPG-Pendant-/171161089364?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Partshash=item27d9fef554 One with BLUE keypad -- Has the nice silver Button. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4G-Wireless-Mach3-MPG-Pendant-Electronic-Handwheel-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-Axis-/390713482854?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5af8569e66 Alieexpress http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2-4G-3-Axis-USB-Wireless-Handle-Wheel-For-CNC-Mach3-Router-Engraving-Machine-LCD/407448_577158496.html Automation Technology http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/mpgs/wireless-mpg-handwheel-for-mach3-controller On 02/07/2014 07:07 AM, Russell Brown wrote: Quoth David Armstrong. I started looking around for some cnc pendant. I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html yes the xhc04 has been added to linuxcnc http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant FWIW, I've got one of those and it works for me using the info on the above page. -- Billy Huddleston Inner Vision *William Huddleston Inner Vision Development Corp* Office: 865.560.2752 Fax: 865.560.2703 http://www.ivdc.com *Development and Consulting... Simplified.* http://www.facebook.com/pages/Inner-Vision-Development/120023721424 http://twitter.com/ivdc http://www.linkedin.com/in/ivdccorp -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
Billy those do look nice. I would probably prefer a wired pendant tho to keep away from the RF if possible altho I understand it is probably not an issue. I would really like a nice pendant for the machine as it would be so much easier than using the keyboard. Besides I don't want to run out of battery power at an inopportune moment. The same thing in a USB model if that will work would be sweet. If you do get one maybe you can help me get mine setup with the same thing. Pete On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Billy Huddleston bi...@ivdc.com wrote: These look interesting.. I might get one.. Only issue I see is.. all the ones I can find are the 18 key version.. Which hasn't been tested with the driver according to the Wiki. Also, Ebay has several of which that have a different face plate.. Ones with Blue and have Macro.. I like the 16 Key better.. Has Step Mode instead of and says X Y Z 4 Spindle Feed. Looks like the newer one Has X Y Z Spindle Feed and Something Else ? Also like the silver all metal button vs the cheap looking red one.. Can anyone comment on the different ones ? On Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-NCStudio-CNC-3-4-Axis-Wireless-Handwheel-Manual-Pulse-Generator-MPG-Pendant-/171161089364?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Partshash=item27d9fef554 One with BLUE keypad -- Has the nice silver Button. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4G-Wireless-Mach3-MPG-Pendant-Electronic-Handwheel-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-Axis-/390713482854?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5af8569e66 Alieexpress http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2-4G-3-Axis-USB-Wireless-Handle-Wheel-For-CNC-Mach3-Router-Engraving-Machine-LCD/407448_577158496.html Automation Technology http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/mpgs/wireless-mpg-handwheel-for-mach3-controller On 02/07/2014 07:07 AM, Russell Brown wrote: Quoth David Armstrong. I started looking around for some cnc pendant. I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html yes the xhc04 has been added to linuxcnc http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant FWIW, I've got one of those and it works for me using the info on the above page. -- Billy Huddleston Inner Vision *William Huddleston Inner Vision Development Corp* Office: 865.560.2752 Fax: 865.560.2703 http://www.ivdc.com *Development and Consulting... Simplified.* http://www.facebook.com/pages/Inner-Vision-Development/120023721424 http://twitter.com/ivdc http://www.linkedin.com/in/ivdccorp -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3-Axis-4-axis-USB-HandWheel-MPG-pendant-for-Mach-3-engraving-Router-system-/181280427312?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2a3527cd30 Looks like a wired version.. Not sure about support... On 02/07/2014 01:23 PM, Pete Matos wrote: Billy those do look nice. I would probably prefer a wired pendant tho to keep away from the RF if possible altho I understand it is probably not an issue. I would really like a nice pendant for the machine as it would be so much easier than using the keyboard. Besides I don't want to run out of battery power at an inopportune moment. The same thing in a USB model if that will work would be sweet. If you do get one maybe you can help me get mine setup with the same thing. Pete On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Billy Huddleston bi...@ivdc.com wrote: These look interesting.. I might get one.. Only issue I see is.. all the ones I can find are the 18 key version.. Which hasn't been tested with the driver according to the Wiki. Also, Ebay has several of which that have a different face plate.. Ones with Blue and have Macro.. I like the 16 Key better.. Has Step Mode instead of and says X Y Z 4 Spindle Feed. Looks like the newer one Has X Y Z Spindle Feed and Something Else ? Also like the silver all metal button vs the cheap looking red one.. Can anyone comment on the different ones ? On Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-NCStudio-CNC-3-4-Axis-Wireless-Handwheel-Manual-Pulse-Generator-MPG-Pendant-/171161089364?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Partshash=item27d9fef554 One with BLUE keypad -- Has the nice silver Button. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4G-Wireless-Mach3-MPG-Pendant-Electronic-Handwheel-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-Axis-/390713482854?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5af8569e66 Alieexpress http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2-4G-3-Axis-USB-Wireless-Handle-Wheel-For-CNC-Mach3-Router-Engraving-Machine-LCD/407448_577158496.html Automation Technology http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/mpgs/wireless-mpg-handwheel-for-mach3-controller On 02/07/2014 07:07 AM, Russell Brown wrote: Quoth David Armstrong. I started looking around for some cnc pendant. I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html yes the xhc04 has been added to linuxcnc http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant FWIW, I've got one of those and it works for me using the info on the above page. -- Billy Huddleston Inner Vision *William Huddleston Inner Vision Development Corp* Office: 865.560.2752 Fax: 865.560.2703 http://www.ivdc.com *Development and Consulting... Simplified.* http://www.facebook.com/pages/Inner-Vision-Development/120023721424 http://twitter.com/ivdc http://www.linkedin.com/in/ivdccorp -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Billy Huddleston Inner Vision *William Huddleston Inner Vision Development Corp* Office: 865.560.2752 Fax: 865.560.2703 http://www.ivdc.com *Development and Consulting... Simplified.* http://www.facebook.com/pages/Inner-Vision-Development/120023721424 http://twitter.com/ivdc http://www.linkedin.com/in/ivdccorp -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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WTF the wired one is more expensive?? Figures. Pete On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Billy Huddleston bi...@ivdc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3-Axis-4-axis-USB-HandWheel-MPG-pendant-for-Mach-3-engraving-Router-system-/181280427312?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2a3527cd30 Looks like a wired version.. Not sure about support... On 02/07/2014 01:23 PM, Pete Matos wrote: Billy those do look nice. I would probably prefer a wired pendant tho to keep away from the RF if possible altho I understand it is probably not an issue. I would really like a nice pendant for the machine as it would be so much easier than using the keyboard. Besides I don't want to run out of battery power at an inopportune moment. The same thing in a USB model if that will work would be sweet. If you do get one maybe you can help me get mine setup with the same thing. Pete On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Billy Huddleston bi...@ivdc.com wrote: These look interesting.. I might get one.. Only issue I see is.. all the ones I can find are the 18 key version.. Which hasn't been tested with the driver according to the Wiki. Also, Ebay has several of which that have a different face plate.. Ones with Blue and have Macro.. I like the 16 Key better.. Has Step Mode instead of and says X Y Z 4 Spindle Feed. Looks like the newer one Has X Y Z Spindle Feed and Something Else ? Also like the silver all metal button vs the cheap looking red one.. Can anyone comment on the different ones ? On Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-NCStudio-CNC-3-4-Axis-Wireless-Handwheel-Manual-Pulse-Generator-MPG-Pendant-/171161089364?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Partshash=item27d9fef554 One with BLUE keypad -- Has the nice silver Button. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4G-Wireless-Mach3-MPG-Pendant-Electronic-Handwheel-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-Axis-/390713482854?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5af8569e66 Alieexpress http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2-4G-3-Axis-USB-Wireless-Handle-Wheel-For-CNC-Mach3-Router-Engraving-Machine-LCD/407448_577158496.html Automation Technology http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/mpgs/wireless-mpg-handwheel-for-mach3-controller On 02/07/2014 07:07 AM, Russell Brown wrote: Quoth David Armstrong. I started looking around for some cnc pendant. I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html yes the xhc04 has been added to linuxcnc http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant FWIW, I've got one of those and it works for me using the info on the above page. -- Billy Huddleston Inner Vision *William Huddleston Inner Vision Development Corp* Office: 865.560.2752 Fax: 865.560.2703 http://www.ivdc.com *Development and Consulting... Simplified.* http://www.facebook.com/pages/Inner-Vision-Development/120023721424 http://twitter.com/ivdc http://www.linkedin.com/in/ivdccorp -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Billy Huddleston Inner Vision *William Huddleston Inner Vision Development Corp* Office: 865.560.2752 Fax: 865.560.2703 http://www.ivdc.com *Development and Consulting... Simplified.* http://www.facebook.com/pages/Inner-Vision-Development/120023721424 http://twitter.com/ivdc http://www.linkedin.com/in/ivdccorp -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Managing
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
Le 2014-02-06 16:23, Sebastian Kuzminsky a écrit : Frederic, Dewey, are you both happy with the state of that branch? Are we ready to merge it into master? There is a regression here in simulation mode (without -H flag). I am checking the code. Frederic. -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Le 2014-02-06 19:55, Dewey Garrett a écrit : - Several folks have reported that the pendant stops updating. On mine, if the pendant is idle (no buttons pressed, no wheel movement) for approximately 40 seconds, the display stops updating. Pressing any button restores display updating so I just leave one button unassigned and press it to wake up the pendant. Running the xhc-hb04 program executed standalone as a simulator now reports when it detects the pendant going to sleep; when using with hal, a pin is created for the condition (xhc-hb04.sleeping) I think it would be good to merge to master to get some testing with other pendants. Thanks for the new feature to handle sleeping. I have tested with my 16 buttons MPG, but the behaviour is different: it does not send 04 00 00 00 00 00 when entering sleep mode. However, I get this message sometimes when powering up the MPG. Frederic. -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
On 06/02/14 11:41, bruno wrote: Hi all, I just upgraded my linuxcnc from 2.4 with parallel port software stepper, to 2.5 and a mesa 5i25 with prob_rfx2 firmware. I set it up quite easily using the pncconf .xml firmware found here http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/33697 great job with this pncconf, it is quite nice. Performance with the mesa board is incomparably better than software stepping. I started looking around for some cnc pendant. I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html usb, probably HID, so hal_input might work. For the display part however I have no idea what could be done. If the pendant does not appear as some standard usb device, I thought the best approach would be to write a new display, similar to linuxcnclcd. Alternatively, I am pretty sure this type http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Universal-CNC-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR/1594520156.html would be easy to integrate as it appears as just a bunch of switches and quadrature encoder, I think. Any comments, experience with those ? I have not found much about anybody using them on linuxcnc, so I wonder if I am just breaking new ground, or they are such crap that nobody uses them Bruno -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users yes the xhc04 has been added to linuxcnc http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant Dave -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
On 6 February 2014 11:41, bruno br...@tinkerbox.org wrote: I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html Yes, there is a dedicated HAL component for them: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant Alternatively, I am pretty sure this type http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Universal-CNC-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR/1594520156.html That would be very easy to interface via a 7i73 board from Mesa. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
Dunno the answers to these questions but I am running the Mesa 5i25/7i77 combo on my machine and as soon as funds allow I intend to setup a nice pendant as well. I will be listening intently to this conversation. Lots of nice pendants out there which ones work best with LinuxCNC and the Mesa hardware will be interesting to see. Peace Pete On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:41 AM, bruno br...@tinkerbox.org wrote: Hi all, I just upgraded my linuxcnc from 2.4 with parallel port software stepper, to 2.5 and a mesa 5i25 with prob_rfx2 firmware. I set it up quite easily using the pncconf .xml firmware found here http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/33697 great job with this pncconf, it is quite nice. Performance with the mesa board is incomparably better than software stepping. I started looking around for some cnc pendant. I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html usb, probably HID, so hal_input might work. For the display part however I have no idea what could be done. If the pendant does not appear as some standard usb device, I thought the best approach would be to write a new display, similar to linuxcnclcd. Alternatively, I am pretty sure this type http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Universal-CNC-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR/1594520156.html would be easy to integrate as it appears as just a bunch of switches and quadrature encoder, I think. Any comments, experience with those ? I have not found much about anybody using them on linuxcnc, so I wonder if I am just breaking new ground, or they are such crap that nobody uses them Bruno -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
On 02/06/2014 05:02 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 6 February 2014 11:41, bruno br...@tinkerbox.org wrote: I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html Yes, there is a dedicated HAL component for them: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant Frederic Rible and Dewey Garrett and I have been adding support for this pendant to LinuxCNC. It's nearly ready to be merged into master, for now you can check it out in the xhc-hb04 branch on git.linuxcnc.org. Frederic (who wrote the driver) tested that branch and reported that it works for him. Dewey wrote a bunch of configs that should hopefully be easy to add to a machine config, but i haven't heard any test reports of that (and i don't have one of these pendants to test with myself). Frederic, Dewey, are you both happy with the state of that branch? Are we ready to merge it into master? And then I guess it's time to update that wiki page -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
On Thursday 06 February 2014 12:57:06 Pete Matos did opine: Dunno the answers to these questions but I am running the Mesa 5i25/7i77 combo on my machine and as soon as funds allow I intend to setup a nice pendant as well. I will be listening intently to this conversation. Lots of nice pendants out there which ones work best with LinuxCNC and the Mesa hardware will be interesting to see. Peace Pete FWIW, someone published a setup to use a saitek game controller, but the very short throw joysticks I found to be less than worthless as there was no feel to let the user know he was driving at an angle when he thought he was driving just the x or y. The next update, requiring a new config, I never added it to. Way too high a mistake probability. However with the single axis at a time from the MPG, it might be more usable. YMMV. The keyboard does work, in all 3 4 axis's at once if you have enough fingers. ;) On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:41 AM, bruno br...@tinkerbox.org wrote: Hi all, I just upgraded my linuxcnc from 2.4 with parallel port software stepper, to 2.5 and a mesa 5i25 with prob_rfx2 firmware. I set it up quite easily using the pncconf .xml firmware found here http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/33697 great job with this pncconf, it is quite nice. Performance with the mesa board is incomparably better than software stepping. I started looking around for some cnc pendant. I am wondering if anybody has tried to configure one of these: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel- Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis-Controller/1004816998.html usb, probably HID, so hal_input might work. For the display part however I have no idea what could be done. If the pendant does not appear as some standard usb device, I thought the best approach would be to write a new display, similar to linuxcnclcd. Alternatively, I am pretty sure this type http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Universal-CNC-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwh eel-Emergency-stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR/1594520156.html would be easy to integrate as it appears as just a bunch of switches and quadrature encoder, I think. Any comments, experience with those ? I have not found much about anybody using them on linuxcnc, so I wonder if I am just breaking new ground, or they are such crap that nobody uses them Bruno -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg. clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.cl ktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene NOTICE: Will pay 100 USD for an HP-4815A defective but complete probe assembly. -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
On 02/06/2014 05:41 AM, bruno wrote: Alternatively, I am pretty sure this type http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Universal-CNC-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR/1594520156.html would be easy to integrate as it appears as just a bunch of switches and quadrature encoder, I think. I'm pretty sure you are right, mechanical switches and an encoder. I have built two of them, see : http://pico-systems.com/pendant.html I use some diodes to multiplex the XYZ-feedrate-spindle selection so I use up fewer digital inputs. I have links to the hal code to interface this to LinuxCNC. It is for my PPMC line of products, so would need a little adapting to Mesa products. Jon -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MPG pendant
If one has a pendant, it can be tested with sim configs in the xhc-hb04 branch (configs/sim/axis/xhc-hb04). There are two configs for the two known button configurations: xhc-hb04-layout1.ini (16 buttons) xhc-hb04-layout2.ini (18 buttons, most common) The pendant i got has 18 buttons (layout2), is marked HB04 on the front, and the label on the back is marked WHB04-L with a date code 201312. It is working fine for me. - Some modifications were made to make it easy to add a pendant to an existing configuration (no hal file edits are required). From the README: An xhc-hb04 pendant can be added to existing configurations. 1) copy files to the configuration directory: $ cp xhc-hb04.tcl your_config_dir/ $ cp xhc-hb04-layout*.cfg your_config_dir/ 2) Edit existing configuration ini file to: a) add [HAL]HALFILE=xhc-hb04.tcl b) add stanza [XHC-HB04_CONFIG] c) add stanza [XHC-HB04_BUTTONS] c) add or update stanza for [HALUI] See the demo ini files for more detailed examples. - Several folks have reported that the pendant stops updating. On mine, if the pendant is idle (no buttons pressed, no wheel movement) for approximately 40 seconds, the display stops updating. Pressing any button restores display updating so I just leave one button unassigned and press it to wake up the pendant. Running the xhc-hb04 program executed standalone as a simulator now reports when it detects the pendant going to sleep; when using with hal, a pin is created for the condition (xhc-hb04.sleeping) I think it would be good to merge to master to get some testing with other pendants. -- Dewey Garrett -- Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. Read the Whitepaper. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
