Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:43:04 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:59:55 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:21:41 +0900 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:41 PM, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:14:03 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:10:47 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:56:43 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 15/11/12 01:54, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: no i dont get it. thats my point. right now i'm rummaging thru gtk menus in sylpheed. just fine. i am sliding my mouse across the menu bar at the top showing and hiding menus one after the other really fast and they ll work and show/hide. no missing menus. I think most of the people that had it had it with new (i.e new versions) distros like arch. I guess you don't get it on your Series 9, right? It happens to me after a couple of hours, so maybe it has something to do with dim or whatever. For what it's worth, I'm not getting that particular issue with claws mail (a fork of sylpheed) on Ubuntu 12.04. I AM getting some of the claws mail popups flashing up briefly and vanishing again sometimes, but working fine the second time I try. Typically the password popup for my PGP signature. Dunno if that's related. I've mentioned this before. I'm not sure if it's related to my recent upgrade to 12.04, or recent changes to work around bugs in claws mail and similar programs that I DID NOT GET before the work around. Both happened at about the same time I think. I can't easily find where these work arounds for claws mail and similar programs happened. Is there a way to turn OFF those work arounds? Things worked fine without them for me, now it's getting bad. The popups sometimes breifly popup and vanish several times in a row. It's worse, sending an email needs two popups, one to sign them, one to send them, and I sometimes get the bug happening to both. I just spent a few minutes endlessly clicking the claws-mail Send button coz of this problem. Can someone that knows please answer? I use claw-mails to and never see this issue. Now time to find why it work for me and for you. I am also on an Ubuntu 12.04 updated from a month ago. I could update it again. I use NVidia driver 310.19. Use E17 compositor with OpenGL backend. I tend to update weekly, more or less, but it's been happening for a long time. nVidia 295.40, 310 is marked as **experimental**beta, I prefer to stick with the current stable recommended version. Hmm, I thought I was using composite with OpenGL, but it was software. I switched to OpenGL to try it out now. That did not help. Using merged EFL tree? Though I think this started happening before major portions of the tree where merged. I still think the below is the right thing to do, if only I could get that bit answered. That still does not answer the question about the work arounds that where put in the code. I did not need them in the beginning, I'd like to turn them off to see if they are causing problems now. For what it's worth, this problem mysteriously vanished at some point. Now I can unmark these emails. B-) -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:21:41 +0900 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:41 PM, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:14:03 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:10:47 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:56:43 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 15/11/12 01:54, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: no i dont get it. thats my point. right now i'm rummaging thru gtk menus in sylpheed. just fine. i am sliding my mouse across the menu bar at the top showing and hiding menus one after the other really fast and they ll work and show/hide. no missing menus. I think most of the people that had it had it with new (i.e new versions) distros like arch. I guess you don't get it on your Series 9, right? It happens to me after a couple of hours, so maybe it has something to do with dim or whatever. For what it's worth, I'm not getting that particular issue with claws mail (a fork of sylpheed) on Ubuntu 12.04. I AM getting some of the claws mail popups flashing up briefly and vanishing again sometimes, but working fine the second time I try. Typically the password popup for my PGP signature. Dunno if that's related. I've mentioned this before. I'm not sure if it's related to my recent upgrade to 12.04, or recent changes to work around bugs in claws mail and similar programs that I DID NOT GET before the work around. Both happened at about the same time I think. I can't easily find where these work arounds for claws mail and similar programs happened. Is there a way to turn OFF those work arounds? Things worked fine without them for me, now it's getting bad. The popups sometimes breifly popup and vanish several times in a row. It's worse, sending an email needs two popups, one to sign them, one to send them, and I sometimes get the bug happening to both. I just spent a few minutes endlessly clicking the claws-mail Send button coz of this problem. Can someone that knows please answer? I use claw-mails to and never see this issue. Now time to find why it work for me and for you. I am also on an Ubuntu 12.04 updated from a month ago. I could update it again. I use NVidia driver 310.19. Use E17 compositor with OpenGL backend. I tend to update weekly, more or less, but it's been happening for a long time. nVidia 295.40, 310 is marked as **experimental**beta, I prefer to stick with the current stable recommended version. Hmm, I thought I was using composite with OpenGL, but it was software. I switched to OpenGL to try it out now. That still does not answer the question about the work arounds that where put in the code. I did not need them in the beginning, I'd like to turn them off to see if they are causing problems now. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Master Java SE, Java EE, Eclipse, Spring, Hibernate, JavaScript, jQuery and much more. Keep your Java skills current with LearnJavaNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Java experts. SALE $49.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122612 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:59:55 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:21:41 +0900 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:41 PM, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:14:03 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:10:47 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:56:43 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 15/11/12 01:54, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: no i dont get it. thats my point. right now i'm rummaging thru gtk menus in sylpheed. just fine. i am sliding my mouse across the menu bar at the top showing and hiding menus one after the other really fast and they ll work and show/hide. no missing menus. I think most of the people that had it had it with new (i.e new versions) distros like arch. I guess you don't get it on your Series 9, right? It happens to me after a couple of hours, so maybe it has something to do with dim or whatever. For what it's worth, I'm not getting that particular issue with claws mail (a fork of sylpheed) on Ubuntu 12.04. I AM getting some of the claws mail popups flashing up briefly and vanishing again sometimes, but working fine the second time I try. Typically the password popup for my PGP signature. Dunno if that's related. I've mentioned this before. I'm not sure if it's related to my recent upgrade to 12.04, or recent changes to work around bugs in claws mail and similar programs that I DID NOT GET before the work around. Both happened at about the same time I think. I can't easily find where these work arounds for claws mail and similar programs happened. Is there a way to turn OFF those work arounds? Things worked fine without them for me, now it's getting bad. The popups sometimes breifly popup and vanish several times in a row. It's worse, sending an email needs two popups, one to sign them, one to send them, and I sometimes get the bug happening to both. I just spent a few minutes endlessly clicking the claws-mail Send button coz of this problem. Can someone that knows please answer? I use claw-mails to and never see this issue. Now time to find why it work for me and for you. I am also on an Ubuntu 12.04 updated from a month ago. I could update it again. I use NVidia driver 310.19. Use E17 compositor with OpenGL backend. I tend to update weekly, more or less, but it's been happening for a long time. nVidia 295.40, 310 is marked as **experimental**beta, I prefer to stick with the current stable recommended version. Hmm, I thought I was using composite with OpenGL, but it was software. I switched to OpenGL to try it out now. That did not help. Using merged EFL tree? Though I think this started happening before major portions of the tree where merged. I still think the below is the right thing to do, if only I could get that bit answered. That still does not answer the question about the work arounds that where put in the code. I did not need them in the beginning, I'd like to turn them off to see if they are causing problems now. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122712___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:41 PM, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:14:03 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:10:47 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:56:43 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 15/11/12 01:54, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: no i dont get it. thats my point. right now i'm rummaging thru gtk menus in sylpheed. just fine. i am sliding my mouse across the menu bar at the top showing and hiding menus one after the other really fast and they ll work and show/hide. no missing menus. I think most of the people that had it had it with new (i.e new versions) distros like arch. I guess you don't get it on your Series 9, right? It happens to me after a couple of hours, so maybe it has something to do with dim or whatever. For what it's worth, I'm not getting that particular issue with claws mail (a fork of sylpheed) on Ubuntu 12.04. I AM getting some of the claws mail popups flashing up briefly and vanishing again sometimes, but working fine the second time I try. Typically the password popup for my PGP signature. Dunno if that's related. I've mentioned this before. I'm not sure if it's related to my recent upgrade to 12.04, or recent changes to work around bugs in claws mail and similar programs that I DID NOT GET before the work around. Both happened at about the same time I think. I can't easily find where these work arounds for claws mail and similar programs happened. Is there a way to turn OFF those work arounds? Things worked fine without them for me, now it's getting bad. The popups sometimes breifly popup and vanish several times in a row. It's worse, sending an email needs two popups, one to sign them, one to send them, and I sometimes get the bug happening to both. I just spent a few minutes endlessly clicking the claws-mail Send button coz of this problem. Can someone that knows please answer? I use claw-mails to and never see this issue. Now time to find why it work for me and for you. I am also on an Ubuntu 12.04 updated from a month ago. I could update it again. I use NVidia driver 310.19. Use E17 compositor with OpenGL backend. -- Cedric BAIL -- Master Java SE, Java EE, Eclipse, Spring, Hibernate, JavaScript, jQuery and much more. Keep your Java skills current with LearnJavaNow - 200+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Java experts. SALE $49.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122612 ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:10:47 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:56:43 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 15/11/12 01:54, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: no i dont get it. thats my point. right now i'm rummaging thru gtk menus in sylpheed. just fine. i am sliding my mouse across the menu bar at the top showing and hiding menus one after the other really fast and they ll work and show/hide. no missing menus. I think most of the people that had it had it with new (i.e new versions) distros like arch. I guess you don't get it on your Series 9, right? It happens to me after a couple of hours, so maybe it has something to do with dim or whatever. For what it's worth, I'm not getting that particular issue with claws mail (a fork of sylpheed) on Ubuntu 12.04. I AM getting some of the claws mail popups flashing up briefly and vanishing again sometimes, but working fine the second time I try. Typically the password popup for my PGP signature. Dunno if that's related. I've mentioned this before. I'm not sure if it's related to my recent upgrade to 12.04, or recent changes to work around bugs in claws mail and similar programs that I DID NOT GET before the work around. Both happened at about the same time I think. I can't easily find where these work arounds for claws mail and similar programs happened. Is there a way to turn OFF those work arounds? Things worked fine without them for me, now it's getting bad. The popups sometimes breifly popup and vanish several times in a row. It's worse, sending an email needs two popups, one to sign them, one to send them, and I sometimes get the bug happening to both. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122412___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
Too bad, alpha6 just exit aster few mInutes running, no error msg or anything unusual run on top of it. It happened twice already, and I don't have time to gdb etc, so quickly revert back to alpha5, using same .e and it runs smoothly. -Original Message- From: s...@tango.flipp.net Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:53:36 To: Enlightenment developer listenlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Reply-To: Enlightenment developer list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: enlightenment-us...@lists.sourceforge.net; enlightenment-rele...@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2 On 11/28/2012 01:41 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote: With a beefy changelog accompanying it, I'm pleased to post another alpha. It should be noted that this is the first alpha worthy of receiving the praise improved LESS CRASHING and IMPROVEMENTS TO NOT CRASHING. Changelog: * Translation updates * AMD K10 temperature sensor support on OpenBSD * Video file previews will now stutter less and respect tooltip boundaries more * Battery module now crashes less on OpenBSD * Icon resizing is now smoother * Gadget menus can no longer cause crashes when the gadget is deleted * Fileselector once again allows selection from directory previews * Filemanager DND can no longer interfere with gadget DND to cause crashes * Improved support for XDG_DESKTOP_DIR This is not gonna be any more improved unless efreet is also released with the fix. :) There are fixes directly in e as well. The support for XDG_DESKTOP_DIR has been in efreet since at least 1.7.0, it just didn't support your user-dirs.dirs format :) S. -- Keep yourself connected to Go Parallel: INSIGHTS What's next for parallel hardware, programming and related areas? Interviews and blogs by thought leaders keep you ahead of the curve. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Keep yourself connected to Go Parallel: VERIFY Test and improve your parallel project with help from experts and peers. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
I already have alpha5, do you recommend downgrading to alpha2? :) On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote: With a beefy changelog accompanying it, I'm pleased to post another alpha. It should be noted that this is the first alpha worthy of receiving the praise improved LESS CRASHING and IMPROVEMENTS TO NOT CRASHING. Changelog: * Translation updates * AMD K10 temperature sensor support on OpenBSD * Video file previews will now stutter less and respect tooltip boundaries more * Battery module now crashes less on OpenBSD * Icon resizing is now smoother * Gadget menus can no longer cause crashes when the gadget is deleted * Fileselector once again allows selection from directory previews * Filemanager DND can no longer interfere with gadget DND to cause crashes * Improved support for XDG_DESKTOP_DIR * Filemanager no longer restores non-default desktop paths when desktop navigation mode is disabled * Improvements/fixes to lost window warping behavior * New ibar sources now copy from default source * Right clicking on any part of a desktop gadget is now sufficient to disable move/resize * Filemanager maximum thumbnail size config slider now more granular * Module config dialog now updates when module states are externally toggled * Connman wizard page now shows regardless of connman support, also disables connman module if support disabled * First-run wizard now correctly updates after language changes * First-run wizard button now reads Please Wait when it is disabled * First-run wizard now has a page to (not) add a taskbar to the default shelf * First-run wizard now unsets winlist pointer warping when click focus model is chosen * First-run wizard now performs a more accurate wait when building XDG cache * Edge bindings dialog can no longer crash when closed before its grab dialog * Edge bindings dialog no longer allows blank bindings to be added * Keybindings dialog no longer adds non-default ctrl+shift bindings when restoring default bindings * Gadget popups will no longer sometimes obscure the source gadget if triggered on an offscreen gadget * Show Calendar action renamed to Toggle Calendar * Fileman Operations module now uses same infos as filemanager * Password mode toggling in entry now works more effectively * [THEME] Desktop gadget * [THEME] RandR dialog * [THEME] Notification module * [THEME] Pixel borders fixed * [THEME] Pixel borders allow drag resizing * [THEME] Cpufreq gadget * [THEME] Analog clock E17 ALPHA6 - 79752 http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/enlightenment-0.17.0-alpha6.tar.gz http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/enlightenment-0.17.0-alpha6.tar.bz2 -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Tom. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:44:32 + Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: I already have alpha5, do you recommend downgrading to alpha2? :) On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote: With a beefy changelog accompanying it, I'm pleased to post another alpha. It should be noted that this is the first alpha worthy of receiving the praise improved LESS CRASHING and IMPROVEMENTS TO NOT CRASHING. Changelog: * Translation updates * AMD K10 temperature sensor support on OpenBSD * Video file previews will now stutter less and respect tooltip boundaries more * Battery module now crashes less on OpenBSD * Icon resizing is now smoother * Gadget menus can no longer cause crashes when the gadget is deleted * Fileselector once again allows selection from directory previews * Filemanager DND can no longer interfere with gadget DND to cause crashes * Improved support for XDG_DESKTOP_DIR * Filemanager no longer restores non-default desktop paths when desktop navigation mode is disabled * Improvements/fixes to lost window warping behavior * New ibar sources now copy from default source * Right clicking on any part of a desktop gadget is now sufficient to disable move/resize * Filemanager maximum thumbnail size config slider now more granular * Module config dialog now updates when module states are externally toggled * Connman wizard page now shows regardless of connman support, also disables connman module if support disabled * First-run wizard now correctly updates after language changes * First-run wizard button now reads Please Wait when it is disabled * First-run wizard now has a page to (not) add a taskbar to the default shelf * First-run wizard now unsets winlist pointer warping when click focus model is chosen * First-run wizard now performs a more accurate wait when building XDG cache * Edge bindings dialog can no longer crash when closed before its grab dialog * Edge bindings dialog no longer allows blank bindings to be added * Keybindings dialog no longer adds non-default ctrl+shift bindings when restoring default bindings * Gadget popups will no longer sometimes obscure the source gadget if triggered on an offscreen gadget * Show Calendar action renamed to Toggle Calendar * Fileman Operations module now uses same infos as filemanager * Password mode toggling in entry now works more effectively * [THEME] Desktop gadget * [THEME] RandR dialog * [THEME] Notification module * [THEME] Pixel borders fixed * [THEME] Pixel borders allow drag resizing * [THEME] Cpufreq gadget * [THEME] Analog clock E17 ALPHA6 - 79752 http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/enlightenment-0.17.0-alpha6.tar.gz http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/enlightenment-0.17.0-alpha6.tar.bz2 My bad, this is (obviously) alpha 6 and I'm tired. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On 11/28/2012 01:41 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote: With a beefy changelog accompanying it, I'm pleased to post another alpha. It should be noted that this is the first alpha worthy of receiving the praise improved LESS CRASHING and IMPROVEMENTS TO NOT CRASHING. Changelog: * Translation updates * AMD K10 temperature sensor support on OpenBSD * Video file previews will now stutter less and respect tooltip boundaries more * Battery module now crashes less on OpenBSD * Icon resizing is now smoother * Gadget menus can no longer cause crashes when the gadget is deleted * Fileselector once again allows selection from directory previews * Filemanager DND can no longer interfere with gadget DND to cause crashes * Improved support for XDG_DESKTOP_DIR This is not gonna be any more improved unless efreet is also released with the fix. :) * Filemanager no longer restores non-default desktop paths when desktop navigation mode is disabled * Improvements/fixes to lost window warping behavior * New ibar sources now copy from default source * Right clicking on any part of a desktop gadget is now sufficient to disable move/resize * Filemanager maximum thumbnail size config slider now more granular * Module config dialog now updates when module states are externally toggled * Connman wizard page now shows regardless of connman support, also disables connman module if support disabled * First-run wizard now correctly updates after language changes * First-run wizard button now reads Please Wait when it is disabled * First-run wizard now has a page to (not) add a taskbar to the default shelf * First-run wizard now unsets winlist pointer warping when click focus model is chosen * First-run wizard now performs a more accurate wait when building XDG cache * Edge bindings dialog can no longer crash when closed before its grab dialog * Edge bindings dialog no longer allows blank bindings to be added * Keybindings dialog no longer adds non-default ctrl+shift bindings when restoring default bindings * Gadget popups will no longer sometimes obscure the source gadget if triggered on an offscreen gadget * Show Calendar action renamed to Toggle Calendar * Fileman Operations module now uses same infos as filemanager * Password mode toggling in entry now works more effectively * [THEME] Desktop gadget * [THEME] RandR dialog * [THEME] Notification module * [THEME] Pixel borders fixed * [THEME] Pixel borders allow drag resizing * [THEME] Cpufreq gadget * [THEME] Analog clock E17 ALPHA6 - 79752 http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/enlightenment-0.17.0-alpha6.tar.gz http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/enlightenment-0.17.0-alpha6.tar.bz2 -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov -- Keep yourself connected to Go Parallel: INSIGHTS What's next for parallel hardware, programming and related areas? Interviews and blogs by thought leaders keep you ahead of the curve. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On 11/28/2012 01:41 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote: With a beefy changelog accompanying it, I'm pleased to post another alpha. It should be noted that this is the first alpha worthy of receiving the praise improved LESS CRASHING and IMPROVEMENTS TO NOT CRASHING. Changelog: * Translation updates * AMD K10 temperature sensor support on OpenBSD * Video file previews will now stutter less and respect tooltip boundaries more * Battery module now crashes less on OpenBSD * Icon resizing is now smoother * Gadget menus can no longer cause crashes when the gadget is deleted * Fileselector once again allows selection from directory previews * Filemanager DND can no longer interfere with gadget DND to cause crashes * Improved support for XDG_DESKTOP_DIR This is not gonna be any more improved unless efreet is also released with the fix. :) There are fixes directly in e as well. The support for XDG_DESKTOP_DIR has been in efreet since at least 1.7.0, it just didn't support your user-dirs.dirs format :) S. -- Keep yourself connected to Go Parallel: INSIGHTS What's next for parallel hardware, programming and related areas? Interviews and blogs by thought leaders keep you ahead of the curve. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On 15/11/12 01:54, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: no i dont get it. thats my point. right now i'm rummaging thru gtk menus in sylpheed. just fine. i am sliding my mouse across the menu bar at the top showing and hiding menus one after the other really fast and they ll work and show/hide. no missing menus. I think most of the people that had it had it with new (i.e new versions) distros like arch. I guess you don't get it on your Series 9, right? It happens to me after a couple of hours, so maybe it has something to do with dim or whatever. I really don't have the time to fix it, sorry. As for the release with huge super-bugs. That's just retarded. E isn't usable for me in it's current state, and I'm not the only one, and heck, we are not even a huge minority. It's not some minor issue, it's a damn huge issue, or more correctly, a set of huge issues. -- Tom. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:56:43 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 15/11/12 01:54, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: no i dont get it. thats my point. right now i'm rummaging thru gtk menus in sylpheed. just fine. i am sliding my mouse across the menu bar at the top showing and hiding menus one after the other really fast and they ll work and show/hide. no missing menus. I think most of the people that had it had it with new (i.e new versions) distros like arch. I guess you don't get it on your Series 9, right? It happens to me after a couple of hours, so maybe it has something to do with dim or whatever. For what it's worth, I'm not getting that particular issue with claws mail (a fork of sylpheed) on Ubuntu 12.04. I AM getting some of the claws mail popups flashing up briefly and vanishing again sometimes, but working fine the second time I try. Typically the password popup for my PGP signature. Dunno if that's related. I've mentioned this before. I'm not sure if it's related to my recent upgrade to 12.04, or recent changes to work around bugs in claws mail and similar programs that I DID NOT GET before the work around. Both happened at about the same time I think. I can dual boot into my old 10.04 system, or run a stock 32 bit 10.04 system under qemu, and compile fresh E17s on either if you want some tests done. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
btw, Tom, what GTK+ menu bug exactly? Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ) On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 15/11/12 01:54, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: no i dont get it. thats my point. right now i'm rummaging thru gtk menus in sylpheed. just fine. i am sliding my mouse across the menu bar at the top showing and hiding menus one after the other really fast and they ll work and show/hide. no missing menus. I think most of the people that had it had it with new (i.e new versions) distros like arch. I guess you don't get it on your Series 9, right? It happens to me after a couple of hours, so maybe it has something to do with dim or whatever. I really don't have the time to fix it, sorry. As for the release with huge super-bugs. That's just retarded. E isn't usable for me in it's current state, and I'm not the only one, and heck, we are not even a huge minority. It's not some minor issue, it's a damn huge issue, or more correctly, a set of huge issues. -- Tom. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On 15/11/12 17:19, Daniel Juyung Seo wrote: btw, Tom, what GTK+ menu bug exactly? Hey Daniel, It's already in trac with full details (initial reporter wasn't even me). I'll repeat it here just to make it easier for you: ALL. GTK+ combo boxes, firefox's awesome bar. All the menus in firefox/thunderbird/transmission/whatnot. Tooltips. All the toolbars there are. -- Tom. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On 14/11/12 02:09, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:17:22 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com said: On 13/11/12 17:32, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote: It's time for (drum roll) the second alpha release of E17! There's a lot of fixes that went into this delayed release, but I'm leaving work now so I won't mention them by name. Nor will I mention glima, who single-handedly managed to break configs for everyone while blaming me for it. Enjoy this release, which I have helpfully nicknamed Baldy as a way of mocking one of my coworkers. Reminder: for me and many others e is currently in a worse shape than it was a few months ago. Menus in GTK+ and etc. We really need to fix those before we continue with the track to release. For reference please see E17 - my list of biggest issues before we release. comp stuff: can't reproduce. works for me. if you have an amazing recipe for magically fixing bugs you can't reproduce or investigate, it'd be awesome to share it... :) fyi - testing across various gpu's, drivers etc. (nvidia, nouveau, intel, software comp). Luckily, comments 16-17 in here: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/1558#comment:16 Provide a lot of useful information. For now, disabling don't comp full screens seems to work for me, so raster, it's most likely your commit of redoing nocomp mode. -- Tom. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:56:43 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com said: On 15/11/12 01:54, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: no i dont get it. thats my point. right now i'm rummaging thru gtk menus in sylpheed. just fine. i am sliding my mouse across the menu bar at the top showing and hiding menus one after the other really fast and they ll work and show/hide. no missing menus. I think most of the people that had it had it with new (i.e new versions) distros like arch. I guess you don't get it on your Series 9, right? It happens to me after a couple of hours, so maybe it has something to do with dim or whatever. i don't see how backlight could have anything to do with this. sure - cpufreq and speed and race conditions - possibly, but not backlight :) I really don't have the time to fix it, sorry. As for the release with huge super-bugs. That's just retarded. E isn't usable for me in it's current state, and I'm not the only one, and heck, we are not even a huge minority. It's not some minor issue, it's a damn huge issue, or more correctly, a set of huge issues. people wanted release dates. they insist on timed releases. e goes out bugs or not. this is the consequence of this, rather than the when it's ready. i made this point repeatedly only to be poopood so it's time the lesson is learned. those who can reproduce it should look into it, if they care and have the time, and get it fixed before release. if not... it goes out with this bug. it works for me on every machine i have (that's 7 quite different ones right now) without this bug. that's several different versions of ubuntu AND arch. that's really slow (pentium-m @ 600mhz) up to 3.4ghz i7's and everything in between. it's nvidia, nouveau, intel 945gm, hd3000's and software compositing. we can spend all day saying i have the bug and i do not have the bug. i'm not arguing that it doesn't exist. i'm saying that it's all empty words as long as those who DO reproduce it don't do the work to fix it, as those who can't are never going to figure it out magically, so that means release will be delayed indefinitely if this situation continues... and that is not going to happen, so release date stays. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:02:18 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com said: On 14/11/12 02:09, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:17:22 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com said: On 13/11/12 17:32, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote: It's time for (drum roll) the second alpha release of E17! There's a lot of fixes that went into this delayed release, but I'm leaving work now so I won't mention them by name. Nor will I mention glima, who single-handedly managed to break configs for everyone while blaming me for it. Enjoy this release, which I have helpfully nicknamed Baldy as a way of mocking one of my coworkers. Reminder: for me and many others e is currently in a worse shape than it was a few months ago. Menus in GTK+ and etc. We really need to fix those before we continue with the track to release. For reference please see E17 - my list of biggest issues before we release. comp stuff: can't reproduce. works for me. if you have an amazing recipe for magically fixing bugs you can't reproduce or investigate, it'd be awesome to share it... :) fyi - testing across various gpu's, drivers etc. (nvidia, nouveau, intel, software comp). Luckily, comments 16-17 in here: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/1558#comment:16 Provide a lot of useful information. For now, disabling don't comp full screens seems to work for me, so raster, it's most likely your commit of redoing nocomp mode. i remember your complaints were that menus etc. don't work regardless of the nocomp fullscreen thing. - that's a separate issue. regardless - if turning it OFF fixes it... it's a minor bug and we release regardless. it's not a blocker. we just change the default config. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On 16/11/12 03:07, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: i remember your complaints were that menus etc. don't work regardless of the nocomp fullscreen thing. - that's a separate issue. regardless - if turning it OFF fixes it... it's a minor bug and we release regardless. it's not a blocker. we just change the default config. Used to be unrelated to nocomp, but I think discomfitor fixed those, and now there are only the nocomp issues left, or at least so it seems. Yeah, we can just disable that, but we should disable that by default. Since a first time e user won't bother looking in the ML archives or FAQs, he'll just switch back to whatever he had used before. -- Tom. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:20:59 +0800 P Purkayastha ppu...@gmail.com said: On 11/14/2012 08:24 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: ensuring that will only happen if those that can reproduce it look into it. :) Just an FYI: I posted a means to reproduce it reliably (including the revision number where I can reliably reproduce it, even with software comp) on the ticket. See http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/1558#comment:16 and the comment following it. Note: This is not to pester you if you can't reproduce. It is simply the first time I could reliably reproduce. I thought I would highlight it here. in xephyr - software compositing... it works with dont composite fulslcreen enabled. tooltips come up afterwards just fine from the same app. for me anway. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On 11/14/2012 04:12 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:20:59 +0800 P Purkayasthappu...@gmail.com said: On 11/14/2012 08:24 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: ensuring that will only happen if those that can reproduce it look into it. :) Just an FYI: I posted a means to reproduce it reliably (including the revision number where I can reliably reproduce it, even with software comp) on the ticket. See http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/1558#comment:16 and the comment following it. Note: This is not to pester you if you can't reproduce. It is simply the first time I could reliably reproduce. I thought I would highlight it here. in xephyr - software compositing... it works with dont composite fulslcreen enabled. tooltips come up afterwards just fine from the same app. for me anway. I can reproduce here in Xephyr, even with stock gtk theme (Rayleigh) and opera. The tooltips stop showing up in opera. Same revision as in the ticket. I haven't upgraded. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:42:01 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com said: On 14/11/12 02:24, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:37:52 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com said: On 13/11/12 21:30, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote: I appreciate your feedback. However, constantly nagging (and I mean this in the most literal sense, since a day has not gone by without someone hassling me over it) about known issues, such as the tooltip/menu comp bug, is not a great way to motivate or encourage any developer in the world. I'm not trying to encourage you to fix them. I'm just trying to make sure we do not progress any further with those bugs still there as they are obvious release blockers. I don't see the point of advancing into the beta stage with such release blockers still there. I only nag about it after each step we take forward without fixing it. I.e Alpha1 and Alpha2. people insist on release dates and timed releases. i've made this point so many times over the years (that a release needs to mean something -ie features added, things fixed), but hey - 99% of the world doesnt care. they just care about a release and a number or name next to it. so frankly... i've given up. if you want these bugs fixe3d by the release date... looking into them and fixing them since you can reproduce them is how it will happen. complaining to people who reply with works for me is simply going to have an endless cycle and a release with those bugs for you.. because the developers have zero way to fix it. Mike, this one is also for you: I wasn't implying we should do a time based release schedule, was just saying that going into beta with those issues still there is useless. I don't need to provide any more details as there are already bug reports that provide all the information we have. It just feels that we are just going to let these bugs slide and just release with them with a huge WFM sticker attached. I don't know if it's the truth, but that's how it feels to me. unless those who can reproduce it readily fix it... this is exactly what will hapen. dec 21 will have a release regardless of the bugs in it becuse everyone insists we must do timed releases. so... too bad. the bed has been made - now lay in it. Given that you yourself are a developer, I would appreciate it even more if you would try to do something more constructive with your time than writing mails like this, which effectively amounts to nothing more than harassing the only person who works regularly on E17; trying to fix some of these known bugs (many of which are simple one-line changes) on your own would be a great help, and it would take roughly the same amount of time as complaining on the mailing list. Imagine the changes we would see if every active developer picked one bug to try fixing for the release. You know my current state, that I'm currently completely away and swamped with things I'm supposed to do before I move to another country next week, so don't act so naive and suggest me to do things you know I just can't do. I'm doing what I can to help, and in my point of view, reminding people about big issues that should be blocking releases when releases are made anyway are very big help. Also, although my limited availability and general lack of free time I've been fixing bugs in e recently (haven't been hacking on my favourite parts of the EFL, but focused on e instead), so I really don't get what you are trying to say. thats cool - but just so you know - this plan was already set. we'd try and do 2 releases (alpha/beta) per week until final release. it's to get out updates quickly during this time. I was just saying, lets stay in alpha until this is fixed. Bottom line is: I'm just trying to make sure we don't release any beta versions before these issues are fixed. ensuring that will only happen if those that can reproduce it look into it. :) i just spent 2 days and destroyed my machine (and rescued it) hunting a comp bug that intel+mesa9.x introduced. it needed up a simple reason and fixing it wasnt too hard, but it meant refactoring some code. kde/kwin also had the same bug fyi. i fix bugs i can SEE and reproduce when and if i have the time. in the case of your comp stuff - i can't reproduce on any of my machines - well i've seen it maybe once a day and frankly - i can't then reproduce it often enough to spend time figuring out what went wrong. i'm happy to help anyone out who wants to look and explain what is happening inside comp when it deals with new windows etc. so they can add in printfs and debug and find out what logic path is going wrong... but that requires someone who reproduces it regularly to step up and do that :) You also get the GTK+ menu bug, don't you? So you can reproduce it. :) I will help once I get some free time, hopefully starting next week (given
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:24:49 +0800 P Purkayastha ppu...@gmail.com said: On 11/14/2012 04:12 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:20:59 +0800 P Purkayasthappu...@gmail.com said: On 11/14/2012 08:24 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: ensuring that will only happen if those that can reproduce it look into it. :) Just an FYI: I posted a means to reproduce it reliably (including the revision number where I can reliably reproduce it, even with software comp) on the ticket. See http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/1558#comment:16 and the comment following it. Note: This is not to pester you if you can't reproduce. It is simply the first time I could reliably reproduce. I thought I would highlight it here. in xephyr - software compositing... it works with dont composite fulslcreen enabled. tooltips come up afterwards just fine from the same app. for me anway. I can reproduce here in Xephyr, even with stock gtk theme (Rayleigh) and opera. The tooltips stop showing up in opera. Same revision as in the ticket. I haven't upgraded. i can't :( -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
* Michael Blumenkrantz michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com [2012-11-13 15:32:59 +]: It's time for (drum roll) the second alpha release of E17! There's a lot of fixes that went into this delayed release, but I'm leaving work now so I won't mention them by name. Nor will I mention glima, who single-handedly managed to break configs for everyone while blaming me for it. Nice work! I couldn't resist joining the b0rk near-realease fest, sorry. And there, there, I didn't blame you :) Cheers, Enjoy this release, which I have helpfully nicknamed Baldy as a way of mocking one of my coworkers. http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/enlightenment-0.17.0-alpha2.tar.gz http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/enlightenment-0.17.0-alpha2.tar.bz2 -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Gustavo Lima Chaves Computer Engineer @ ProFUSION Embedded Systems -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On 13/11/12 17:32, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote: It's time for (drum roll) the second alpha release of E17! There's a lot of fixes that went into this delayed release, but I'm leaving work now so I won't mention them by name. Nor will I mention glima, who single-handedly managed to break configs for everyone while blaming me for it. Enjoy this release, which I have helpfully nicknamed Baldy as a way of mocking one of my coworkers. Reminder: for me and many others e is currently in a worse shape than it was a few months ago. Menus in GTK+ and etc. We really need to fix those before we continue with the track to release. For reference please see E17 - my list of biggest issues before we release. Cheers, Tom. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:17:22 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 13/11/12 17:32, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote: It's time for (drum roll) the second alpha release of E17! There's a lot of fixes that went into this delayed release, but I'm leaving work now so I won't mention them by name. Nor will I mention glima, who single-handedly managed to break configs for everyone while blaming me for it. Enjoy this release, which I have helpfully nicknamed Baldy as a way of mocking one of my coworkers. Reminder: for me and many others e is currently in a worse shape than it was a few months ago. Menus in GTK+ and etc. We really need to fix those before we continue with the track to release. For reference please see E17 - my list of biggest issues before we release. Cheers, Tom. I appreciate your feedback. However, constantly nagging (and I mean this in the most literal sense, since a day has not gone by without someone hassling me over it) about known issues, such as the tooltip/menu comp bug, is not a great way to motivate or encourage any developer in the world. Given that you yourself are a developer, I would appreciate it even more if you would try to do something more constructive with your time than writing mails like this, which effectively amounts to nothing more than harassing the only person who works regularly on E17; trying to fix some of these known bugs (many of which are simple one-line changes) on your own would be a great help, and it would take roughly the same amount of time as complaining on the mailing list. Imagine the changes we would see if every active developer picked one bug to try fixing for the release. Cheers. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On 13/11/12 21:30, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote: I appreciate your feedback. However, constantly nagging (and I mean this in the most literal sense, since a day has not gone by without someone hassling me over it) about known issues, such as the tooltip/menu comp bug, is not a great way to motivate or encourage any developer in the world. I'm not trying to encourage you to fix them. I'm just trying to make sure we do not progress any further with those bugs still there as they are obvious release blockers. I don't see the point of advancing into the beta stage with such release blockers still there. I only nag about it after each step we take forward without fixing it. I.e Alpha1 and Alpha2. Given that you yourself are a developer, I would appreciate it even more if you would try to do something more constructive with your time than writing mails like this, which effectively amounts to nothing more than harassing the only person who works regularly on E17; trying to fix some of these known bugs (many of which are simple one-line changes) on your own would be a great help, and it would take roughly the same amount of time as complaining on the mailing list. Imagine the changes we would see if every active developer picked one bug to try fixing for the release. You know my current state, that I'm currently completely away and swamped with things I'm supposed to do before I move to another country next week, so don't act so naive and suggest me to do things you know I just can't do. I'm doing what I can to help, and in my point of view, reminding people about big issues that should be blocking releases when releases are made anyway are very big help. Also, although my limited availability and general lack of free time I've been fixing bugs in e recently (haven't been hacking on my favourite parts of the EFL, but focused on e instead), so I really don't get what you are trying to say. Bottom line is: I'm just trying to make sure we don't release any beta versions before these issues are fixed. -- Tom. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:37:52 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com wrote: On 13/11/12 21:30, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote: I appreciate your feedback. However, constantly nagging (and I mean this in the most literal sense, since a day has not gone by without someone hassling me over it) about known issues, such as the tooltip/menu comp bug, is not a great way to motivate or encourage any developer in the world. I'm not trying to encourage you to fix them. I'm just trying to make sure we do not progress any further with those bugs still there as they are obvious release blockers. I don't see the point of advancing into Given that I am the only person working on E17 most of the time and everyone else who could fix this is far busier with other things or on vacation, saying things like I'm just trying to make sure we do not progress any further with those bugs still there as they are obvious release blockers results in I'm going to bug you about this repeatedly. the beta stage with such release blockers still there. I only nag about it after each step we take forward without fixing it. I.e Alpha1 and Alpha2. You aren't the only one doing it, but you ARE the only one who continually fails to provide any useful information while doing it in this case. This is a growing trend within this community, and it is not productive for anyone--especially people trying to fix things. Given that you yourself are a developer, I would appreciate it even more if you would try to do something more constructive with your time than writing mails like this, which effectively amounts to nothing more than harassing the only person who works regularly on E17; trying to fix some of these known bugs (many of which are simple one-line changes) on your own would be a great help, and it would take roughly the same amount of time as complaining on the mailing list. Imagine the changes we would see if every active developer picked one bug to try fixing for the release. You know my current state, that I'm currently completely away and swamped with things I'm supposed to do before I move to another country next week, so don't act so naive and suggest me to do things you know I It's not act[ing] so naive when I say that it actually would take you the same amount of time to fix commonly-complained-about bugs as it does to write these mails. I know that this is the case; I've fixed hundreds, possibly thousands of these over the past few months. just can't do. I'm doing what I can to help, and in my point of view, reminding people about big issues that should be blocking releases when releases are made anyway are very big help. I am very appreciative of your contributions; I take issue here with your chosen method of constant reminders, as said previously. Also, although my limited availability and general lack of free time I've been fixing bugs in e recently (haven't been hacking on my favourite parts of the EFL, but focused on e instead), so I really don't get what you are trying to say. This is the case and, as said previously, is appreciated, however, does it not bother you that the time that this discussion is occurring here is now, a month before the final release date? Why was it not the case that there was constant nagging and fixing bugs previously? The answer is obvious, but I think my point is made. Bottom line is: I'm just trying to make sure we don't release any beta versions before these issues are fixed. -- Tom. Again, trying to make sure we don't release any beta versions before these issues are fixed. is a noble cause, but your method of attempting it is not productive. You've seen the release schedule, you know the dates, and you know the people who are involved. I would think, given that I am the so-called release manager and have proven my ability to manage bug lists, even with our failure of a trac, you would have more than zero confidence in my ability to know what bugs are outstanding and what their importance is; failing that, I should hope you have some level of faith in the community (which you are part of) to handle something as simple as reading email. That this is not the case is very troubling to me, both on a personal and professional level, considering the high and consistent level of dedication I have shown to fixing bugs on the road to release these past few months; it also does not speak well of your view of the community overall. If there's something in particular that causes you to feel this way, please explain it so that I can make necessary personal changes, or so that we can try to generate some better workflows within the community. Thanks again for your feedback -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:17:22 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com said: On 13/11/12 17:32, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote: It's time for (drum roll) the second alpha release of E17! There's a lot of fixes that went into this delayed release, but I'm leaving work now so I won't mention them by name. Nor will I mention glima, who single-handedly managed to break configs for everyone while blaming me for it. Enjoy this release, which I have helpfully nicknamed Baldy as a way of mocking one of my coworkers. Reminder: for me and many others e is currently in a worse shape than it was a few months ago. Menus in GTK+ and etc. We really need to fix those before we continue with the track to release. For reference please see E17 - my list of biggest issues before we release. comp stuff: can't reproduce. works for me. if you have an amazing recipe for magically fixing bugs you can't reproduce or investigate, it'd be awesome to share it... :) fyi - testing across various gpu's, drivers etc. (nvidia, nouveau, intel, software comp). Cheers, Tom. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:37:52 +0200 Tom Hacohen t...@stosb.com said: On 13/11/12 21:30, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote: I appreciate your feedback. However, constantly nagging (and I mean this in the most literal sense, since a day has not gone by without someone hassling me over it) about known issues, such as the tooltip/menu comp bug, is not a great way to motivate or encourage any developer in the world. I'm not trying to encourage you to fix them. I'm just trying to make sure we do not progress any further with those bugs still there as they are obvious release blockers. I don't see the point of advancing into the beta stage with such release blockers still there. I only nag about it after each step we take forward without fixing it. I.e Alpha1 and Alpha2. people insist on release dates and timed releases. i've made this point so many times over the years (that a release needs to mean something -ie features added, things fixed), but hey - 99% of the world doesnt care. they just care about a release and a number or name next to it. so frankly... i've given up. if you want these bugs fixe3d by the release date... looking into them and fixing them since you can reproduce them is how it will happen. complaining to people who reply with works for me is simply going to have an endless cycle and a release with those bugs for you.. because the developers have zero way to fix it. Given that you yourself are a developer, I would appreciate it even more if you would try to do something more constructive with your time than writing mails like this, which effectively amounts to nothing more than harassing the only person who works regularly on E17; trying to fix some of these known bugs (many of which are simple one-line changes) on your own would be a great help, and it would take roughly the same amount of time as complaining on the mailing list. Imagine the changes we would see if every active developer picked one bug to try fixing for the release. You know my current state, that I'm currently completely away and swamped with things I'm supposed to do before I move to another country next week, so don't act so naive and suggest me to do things you know I just can't do. I'm doing what I can to help, and in my point of view, reminding people about big issues that should be blocking releases when releases are made anyway are very big help. Also, although my limited availability and general lack of free time I've been fixing bugs in e recently (haven't been hacking on my favourite parts of the EFL, but focused on e instead), so I really don't get what you are trying to say. thats cool - but just so you know - this plan was already set. we'd try and do 2 releases (alpha/beta) per week until final release. it's to get out updates quickly during this time. Bottom line is: I'm just trying to make sure we don't release any beta versions before these issues are fixed. ensuring that will only happen if those that can reproduce it look into it. :) i just spent 2 days and destroyed my machine (and rescued it) hunting a comp bug that intel+mesa9.x introduced. it needed up a simple reason and fixing it wasnt too hard, but it meant refactoring some code. kde/kwin also had the same bug fyi. i fix bugs i can SEE and reproduce when and if i have the time. in the case of your comp stuff - i can't reproduce on any of my machines - well i've seen it maybe once a day and frankly - i can't then reproduce it often enough to spend time figuring out what went wrong. i'm happy to help anyone out who wants to look and explain what is happening inside comp when it deals with new windows etc. so they can add in printfs and debug and find out what logic path is going wrong... but that requires someone who reproduces it regularly to step up and do that :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
Hello I have problems with File Manager, after alpha release works good, with snapshot 77927, but before alpha releases Filemanager is a blank screen. How I can enable logs for send a report? or more detailed errors? I am using EFL 1.7.1, Debian Sid and e17 alpha2 -- http://www.nuevaeralatam.com Linux user number 478378 Linux machine number 386687 Tec. Esteban Monge Marín Tel: (506) 8379-3562 “No habrá manera de desarrollarnos y salir de la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las economías foráneas y nosotros nos quedemos con solo negocios de pobre, mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro propio país nos convirtamos en un ejército de empleados del exterior” José Figueres Ferrer, 1952. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:03:31 -0600 Esteban Monge esteban.franci...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I have problems with File Manager, after alpha release works good, with snapshot 77927, but before alpha releases Filemanager is a blank screen. How I can enable logs for send a report? or more detailed errors? I am using EFL 1.7.1, Debian Sid and e17 alpha2 This is actually a theme issue, and not all themes have been updated to work with the new EFM requirements. Since all active authors of themes are likely aware of this, your best course of action for the moment is one of the following: * Wait for the theme to be fixed * Switch to another theme * Fix the theme yourself (check out all the fileman groups in the edc) -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17-alpha2
On 11/14/2012 08:24 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: ensuring that will only happen if those that can reproduce it look into it. :) Just an FYI: I posted a means to reproduce it reliably (including the revision number where I can reliably reproduce it, even with software comp) on the ticket. See http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/1558#comment:16 and the comment following it. Note: This is not to pester you if you can't reproduce. It is simply the first time I could reliably reproduce. I thought I would highlight it here. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
