Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup TruckBefore Tesla
Ben Goren said: > VW extended cab pickup... I've even seen some that had > under-bed lidded storage space. Of course that is where the batteries go! Both my EV trucks had the full bed available for cargo as all batteries were under the bed (and in my current EV truck, also a few under the hood for better F-R balance) My statement about utility was to show that even though a sedan can carry an amazing amount of cargo if you put your mind to it (some people think you need a truck as soon as you carry more than a bucket) there is still a field where you want a truck: carrying dirty cargo (wet, soiled or sandy stuff) or things that might leak, for example I have carried serving pans for a full dinner for hundreds of (homeless) people that we were serving with a group of volunteers> Occasionally such a pan would splash contents out and in a truck bed you don't care to have some soup but in a (carpeted) vehicle that is very unwelcome. I have hauled sandbags that lost pounds of sand while handled, I have hauled mulch and compost and metal scrap and wood and a lot of other things that I rather not put in the trunk of a vehicle, but in a truck bed it is fine... Carry a washer and a dryer for a friend or for ourselves? No problem. Carry a fridge? Go ahead. Carry both 12ft lumber and 4 ft wide panels? just stack it in... Need to move a big closet or 3-piece oversized couch? All of that and much more has been moved by me for either my family of friends (who appreciate my truck just as much) so I am happy with the combination of (short range) EV truck and Hybrid sedan (Prius) which is pretty much ideal as far as I am concerned in allowing different tools for different jobs without more vehicles than necessary... Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup TruckBefore Tesla
I too have a VW Westfalia (1978) - very capable old vehicle. The 4WD VW trucks/vans based on the Vanagon (the next generation after the 1970s van) were incredible off road. We take care of our hauling needs using a Brenderup 1205S towed by an 18 year old CR-V AWD 5MT. The great thing about these trailers is they weigh about 400 lbs empty, and can carry about 1000 lbs. Perfect for all sorts of low powered vehicles. Chris in TN On 10/22/2015 03:22 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: I do like the utility of having a bed to carry stuff around for those times that I need it, even though I have also managed to carry a 2-person sofa bed in my Classic Prius or 2 50-gal drums. I can attest that a '68 VW Westfalia Camper can do that sort of thing amazingly well. And I still say that the ultimate in that type of light utility vehicle is the VW extended cab pickup built on the classic aircooled bus frame...you get four passenger seats, a good-enough size bed in the back...and the sides (not just the tailgate) fold down. I've even seen some that had under-bed lidded storage space. b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20151022/c3a4a678/attachment.pgp> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup TruckBefore Tesla
On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > I do like the > utility of having a bed to carry stuff around for those times that > I need it, even though I have also managed to carry a 2-person > sofa bed in my Classic Prius or 2 50-gal drums. I can attest that a '68 VW Westfalia Camper can do that sort of thing amazingly well. And I still say that the ultimate in that type of light utility vehicle is the VW extended cab pickup built on the classic aircooled bus frame...you get four passenger seats, a good-enough size bed in the back...and the sides (not just the tailgate) fold down. I've even seen some that had under-bed lidded storage space. b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20151022/c3a4a678/attachment.pgp> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla
Why *not* suggest or wish that EVs replace ICE for every task? Yes, the right tool for the job (thought you didn't say that), and there are probably tasks that an EV won't make sense for, but the use of EV should be maximized. It may be that the technology for many of these tasks is too costly, not demonstrated, etc., but that's a short term view. I would agree that there needs to be work done for long haul, as well as your articulation of EV strengths for short range, but don't sell the technology short over the long term. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 22, 2015, at 10:15 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > > There is no point in suggesting or wishing that EVs can or should replace > ICEVs for every task. In fact it's counterproductive. > > ICEVs are the right choice for the long haul. EVs are outstanding for light > commuting and ESPECIALLY for stop-and-go short trips. Short, never-really- > warmed-up trips are rough on an ICEV and trash its efficiency, but an EV > will just shrug them off. > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup TruckBefore Tesla
Ben, The irony is because urbanites prefer these "farm vehicles" due to the tax breaks that apply even if you do not have a farm and never take your 4x4 off the asphalt, but simply enjoy the cheap vehicle that is (still) not required to be as safe as a sedan or minivan, because it legally still classifies as a stuff-hauling farm vehicle, even though half America uses it as a passenger vehicle. The lower safety requirements and lower taxes are really the only reason that trucks (and SUVs that classify as truck) are so overwhelmingly popular: you get a lot of vehicle for your money and thus also larger margins for manufacturers, causing them to favor and promote these vehicles even more. Overseas they recognize this craze and the common tricked-out 4x4 truck with certifiably non-off road capable low profile tires and oversized rims is known there as "boulevard-tractor" referring to the crowd (cruising main street boulevard) and the farm legacy of the vehicle (tractor). It is high time trucks are recognized for what they are used for and legally made equal to the safety and tax requirements of the other passenger vehicles, that would take a lot of incentives for these inefficient vehicles away. I have driven a small light truck for several years, because that was the affordable EV that I could get my hands on at the time I was looking - not always the easiest choice but I do like the utility of having a bed to carry stuff around for those times that I need it, even though I have also managed to carry a 2-person sofa bed in my Classic Prius or 2 50-gal drums. So I would definitely be interested in a commercially available EV light truck, just like what was the most common EV 20 years ago. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Ben Goren via EV Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:26 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup TruckBefore Tesla On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:35 AM, John Lussmyer wrote: > My truck cruises at around 30KW at 60mph. A 10KW generator isn't going to > extend the range much at all. Did I slip a decimal? 500 Wh / mile and 50 MPH (for easy numbers) is 2 miles per kWh is 25 kWh for an hour...or 25 kW. I guess I did slip a decimal...sorry! However, a pickup truck with, say, a 50 kW or even a 100 kW onboard generator (to add back the missing decimal) is going to be able to power much more than a small construction site and be that much more desirable to people who actually _use_ such vehicles. That, of course, is a rather different class of people from those who typically _buy_ them...it's a depressingly common irony to see impeccably-dressed people step out of immaculate huge trucks and SUVs and hand the keys to a valet at an expensive restaurant. b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20151022/f145ef4f/attachment.pgp> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla
It also occurs to me that most if not all of the smaller pickups have been discontinued by major automakers, though I read recently that Ford is thinking about re-introducing something around the size of the discontinued Ranger. A light, 150 mile or so small EV pickup with a proportionally large bed for bulky items - on inspiriation of the highly versatile snub-nose pickups all over Asia - might not do much for the Western US wide-open-spaces crowd, but could be a successful niche vehicle for suburbanites. These are folks who shop tag and rummage sales, and bring home a load from the big box home center a couple times a year. They apparently want lots of carrying capacity "just in case I need it." However, when it comes to open bed vehicles, right now all they have to choose from in the US seem to be awkward, relatively inefficient mid-size and large pickups. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla
On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:35 AM, John Lussmyer wrote: > My truck cruises at around 30KW at 60mph. A 10KW generator isn't going to > extend the range much at all. Did I slip a decimal? 500 Wh / mile and 50 MPH (for easy numbers) is 2 miles per kWh is 25 kWh for an hour...or 25 kW. I guess I did slip a decimal...sorry! However, a pickup truck with, say, a 50 kW or even a 100 kW onboard generator (to add back the missing decimal) is going to be able to power much more than a small construction site and be that much more desirable to people who actually _use_ such vehicles. That, of course, is a rather different class of people from those who typically _buy_ them...it's a depressingly common irony to see impeccably-dressed people step out of immaculate huge trucks and SUVs and hand the keys to a valet at an expensive restaurant. b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20151022/f145ef4f/attachment.pgp> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla
My *light* truck cruises at about 15kW at moderate (60MPH) freeway speed, measured for both a Chevy S10 and an older Ford Ranger, so a generator with 15kW continuous output should be able to keep the pack from draining further and re-charge during times that the vehicle is not continuously cruising. But it won't give much range extension in a high-speed towing scenario where you might need 30+kW continuously. (I do know that when towing, all vehicles should stay under 55 MPH, but I rarely see this in practice) Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of John Lussmyer via EV Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:35 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List; Ben Goren Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla On Thu Oct 22 09:30:56 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >Between those two extremes there'll be overlap...which is why what the >original author probably actually wants is a Volt-style plugin hybrid. Give it >a powerful electric motor, a ~50 kWh battery...and an onboard 5 - 10 kW >generator and a 30 gallon fuel tank. The generator will be more than able to >keep the battery from running dry on long distances, plus you could then add a >bunch of high-amperage 110V and 220V outlets. My truck cruises at around 30KW at 60mph. A 10KW generator isn't going to extend the range much at all. -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla
There is no point in suggesting or wishing that EVs can or should replace ICEVs for every task. In fact it's counterproductive. ICEVs are the right choice for the long haul. EVs are outstanding for light commuting and ESPECIALLY for stop-and-go short trips. Short, never-really- warmed-up trips are rough on an ICEV and trash its efficiency, but an EV will just shrug them off. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla
On Thu Oct 22 09:30:56 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >Between those two extremes there'll be overlap...which is why what the >original author probably actually wants is a Volt-style plugin hybrid. Give it >a powerful electric motor, a ~50 kWh battery...and an onboard 5 - 10 kW >generator and a 30 gallon fuel tank. The generator will be more than able to >keep the battery from running dry on long distances, plus you could then add a >bunch of high-amperage 110V and 220V outlets. My truck cruises at around 30KW at 60mph. A 10KW generator isn't going to extend the range much at all. -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla
On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:47 AM, John Lussmyer wrote: > My Electric F-250 gets around 650Wh/Mile. My range is about 70 miles. > No Towing. (that would REALLY suck power!) > Even with those restrictions, I find it very useful. I've had it at a bunch > of car shows, and there have been quite a few people that think it would be > useful to them, even with those restrictions. > > That article requiring towing and a long range, sounds just like all the > other EV articles that require cars to have a 400 miles range and charge in 5 > minutes. Standard range anxiety. I've no doubt your truck is hugely useful. I can get by fine without a truck, but, were I to consider one, what you describe you have would likely be pretty much perfect for me. But a demand for a truck that can tow 4,000+ pounds over 200 miles...well, that sounds to me like somebody who tows a large boat or a few horses, and that kind of towing can, especially in the West, easily involve well over 200 miles of such towing in a single day. The problem here isn't that people are being unreasonable in their demands for performance specifications. The problem is with them expecting such performance specifications from an electric vehicle with today's chemistry. As the news is demonstrating so well, diesel turns out to be a really, really poor choice for passenger vehicles, and electric versions of those same vehicles would be superior almost no matter how you measured them -- and mostly hugely superior. But diesel is also far and away the best choice today for long-haul tractor-trailer rigs. That's no contradiction; you just have to pick the horse for the course. Between those two extremes there'll be overlap...which is why what the original author probably actually wants is a Volt-style plugin hybrid. Give it a powerful electric motor, a ~50 kWh battery...and an onboard 5 - 10 kW generator and a 30 gallon fuel tank. The generator will be more than able to keep the battery from running dry on long distances, plus you could then add a bunch of high-amperage 110V and 220V outlets. Now you've got a vehicle that's mostly electric powered with all those advantages, plus you can run your entire small construction site off of it. _That_ would be a vehicle you couldn't make enough of fast enough...though it's still going to come with a price tag similar to a Tesla's. ...and I vaguely remember hearing something about somebody offering exactly such vehicles for sale already b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20151022/76b25f61/attachment.pgp> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i-MiEV is America’s lowest cost EV, for a reason
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with Bluetooth, USB, redundant steering wheel controls, and rearview camera
system.
Without the nav package, the Mitsubishi i-MiEV is lacking in technology
beyond the heated seats. For conservation reasons, heated seats are a
must-have in any electric vehicle. They help reduce the need for
energy-draining heating that warms the entire cabin, even when the driver is
solo.
The Mitsubishi i-MiEV, while loaded with airbags, gets only four stars
overall from the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration. Its
side crash rating is three stars. Those scores need to be higher in a
subcompact car.
THE BASICS Price, base (with destination): $23,845. Fuel economy
(equivalent): 126 city/99 highway/112 combined. Drivetrain: Single-speed
transmission electric vehicle. Body: Four-door subcompact.
THE SPECIFICS Horsepower: 66 hp @ 3,000 to 6,000 rpm. Torque: 145 @ 0 to
3,000 rpm. Overall length: 144.7 in. Wheelbase: 100.4 in. Height: 63.6 in.
Width: 62.4 in. Curb weight: 2,579 lbs.
THE GOOD The Mitsubishi i-MiEV is the lowest priced electric vehicle in the
U.S., which makes it a good way to explore an alternative fuel vehicle
lifestyle.
THE BAD The Mitsubishi i-MiEV feels too unsubstantial as a car to be a
viable choice as an electric vehicle. It has a cramped interior, an awkward
design, and a power deficit not overcome by instant torque.
THE BOTTOM LINE The 2016 Mitsubishi i-MiEV suffers from being so far behind
the competition in a growing electric vehicle field. About the only
compelling reason to buy one would be price alone.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla
On Thu Oct 22 08:34:57 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:18 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > >> In order for the individual to >> see the value proposition, the truck would need a range of at least 200-250 >> miles, a towing capacity of 4,000 lbs+, and cost under $60,000. > >We can do some math on that. > >Trucks, especially heavy-duty ones that can tow that much, are big and heavy >and tend to have poor aerodynamics. I'll be generous and suggest they might be >able to manage 500 Wh / mile, or two miles per kWh, though it'll almost >certainly be worse. And that's obviously for just the truck, unloaded. > >So, to target a 200 mile range for the unloaded truck, you'd need at least a >100 kWh (usable) battery. That's more battery than Tesla has ever sold in a >vehicle. My Electric F-250 gets around 650Wh/Mile. My range is about 70 miles. No Towing. (that would REALLY suck power!) Even with those restrictions, I find it very useful. I've had it at a bunch of car shows, and there have been quite a few people that think it would be useful to them, even with those restrictions. That article requiring towing and a long range, sounds just like all the other EV articles that require cars to have a 400 miles range and charge in 5 minutes. Standard range anxiety. -- Try my Sensible Email package! https://sourceforge.net/projects/sensibleemail/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla
On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:18 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > In order for the individual to > see the value proposition, the truck would need a range of at least 200-250 > miles, a towing capacity of 4,000 lbs+, and cost under $60,000. We can do some math on that. Trucks, especially heavy-duty ones that can tow that much, are big and heavy and tend to have poor aerodynamics. I'll be generous and suggest they might be able to manage 500 Wh / mile, or two miles per kWh, though it'll almost certainly be worse. And that's obviously for just the truck, unloaded. So, to target a 200 mile range for the unloaded truck, you'd need at least a 100 kWh (usable) battery. That's more battery than Tesla has ever sold in a vehicle. Now, load the truck down with 4,000 pounds in a decidedly-not-aerodynamic horse trailer and push the range to 250 miles? I think it'd still be generous to merely double the battery requirement. And you're now looking at the same class of problem that rocket scientists face...a quarter of a megawatt-hour of battery capacity is itself going to be insanely heavy, requiring even _more_ battery to make up for all the extra battery you're hauling. And all this is supposed to cost $15K _less_ than a base-model Tesla Model S? I don't think so! b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20151022/3160e1f2/attachment.pgp> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: English countryside fun in an Electric Morgan EV3 (v)
'Morgan Three-Wheeler EV Replaces Thrum With A Whoosh'
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/19/fully-charged-morgan-ev3-video/
Electric Morgan EV3 has some fun on the English countryside
Oct 19th 2015 Domenick Yoney
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Three Wheels Are Terrific | Fully Charged
fullychargedshow Oct 14, 2015
A ride in the ridiculously delightful Morgan ev 3, a production electric car
that's like driving a comfortable motorbike.
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The Morgan Motors Company is getting serious about producing an electric
version of its endlessly iconic 3 Wheeler. Sure, it's a little strange to
think of this particular model without a V-twin lashed to the front end,
singing its bubbly baritone Ode to Joy, but the Malvern manufacturer seems
quite convinced there is room for two very different flavors of its reborn
baby. Though it's still under development, actor and electric-vehicle
proponent Robert Llewellyn had the opportunity to drive the current
prototype, with John Roberts of Potenza Sports Cars filling the passenger
seat. On their little jaunt through the English countryside, his
companionship was key.
Roberts' outfit, which generally sells kits and complete Lotus Seven and
Eleven replicas under the Westfield Sportscars brand, and has the electric
Westfield iRacer in its portfolio of past projects, are also very much
involved in developing the electron-munching drivetrain for Morgan. His
knowledge of the car is, then, rather complete and he fills Mr. Llewellyn
(and us) on a few interesting details along the way. For instance, the EV 3
was originally intended to have twin motors, and while it presently only has
one unit powering the rear wheel, a second is still being considered. From
Roberts' history, we suspect the electric lumps in question may be axial
flux designs, possibly from YASA Motors, which are relatively easy to
conjoin.
Roberts also informs us that this prototype weighs in at 500 kg (1,102
pounds) – the 3 Wheeler has a dry weight of 525 kg (1,157 lbs) – so handling
should be quite comparable to its noisy sibling. Range-wise, we're told that
it's good for (a probably optimistic) 150 miles equipped with a 9-kWh
battery that can be charged up in four hours, though he mentions that, using
a more energy-dense cell, they could also use an 18-kWh pack that would take
up the same amount of space. All tech specs aside, it certainly looks like a
blast to drive, and is probably just as much fun as the original.
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Morgan Three-Wheeler EV Replaces Thrum With A Whoosh
October 16, 2015 | by Andrei Nedelea
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Three Wheels Are Terrific | Fully Charged
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A ride in the ridiculously delightful Morgan ev 3, a production electric car
that's like driving a comfortable motorbike.
]
If you think the driving experience of a Morgan Three-Wheeler needs to be
accompanied by the sound of a burbling petrol engine, then you won't fancy
this all-electric one.
You will be missing out on what has to be a unique driving experience,
though, and the electric motor this EV3 version has actually makes a
pleasant whirring noise as it goes along.
Robert Llewellyn of the FullyChargedShow likes it a lot, even if it’s
definitely not the fastest two-seater EV around. It hits sixty in under ten
seconds and has top speed of over 80 mph or 129 km/h.
According to the company representative that goes along for the ride in the
video below, the original prototype they had featured a twin-motor
configuration – the car driven here only has one.
The battery is not huge, at 9 kWh, but in this configuration it still
promises autonomy of 150 miles or 240 km on a single charge. Apparently,
they already have one with double the capacity which is packaged to be the
same size as the current pack.
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[EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3577886-gm-would-be-smart-to-launch-an-e-pickup-truck-before-tesla GM Would Be Smart To Launch An E-Pickup Truck Before Tesla Oct. 16, 2015 Aurelien Windenberger [images https://staticseekingalpha.a.ssl.fastly.net/uploads/2015/10/13/146134-14447520766804478-Aurelien-Windenberger.jpg (From the Via Motors site) https://staticseekingalpha.a.ssl.fastly.net/uploads/2015/10/13/146134-14447535456266046-Aurelien-Windenberger.png (From the EV-Fleet site) https://staticseekingalpha.a.ssl.fastly.net/uploads/2015/10/15/146134-1444940391458315-Aurelien-Windenberger.png (image from GM Presentation, via CleanTechnica) ] With gas prices under $3/gallon for most of this year, automakers have seen large gains in pickup truck sales in 2015. At the right price, an EV based pickup truck could be extremely popular, but so far two small companies are the only ones with e-trucks currently on the market. While Elon Musk has mentioned that Telsa plans to develop an F150 competitor in the future, the company's current focus is clearly on delivering the Model X and Model III. GM, Ford, or the other big pickup truck makers would be smart to develop a solid EV pickup as soon as possible, or risk losing the market to Tesla. American's have long had a love affair with their trucks and SUVs, but that affair was put on pause for a few years back in 2008 with the rise in oil prices and then the economic collapse. Sales plummeted over 50% and taken the last five years to return to their mid-2000's levels. Thanks to low gas prices, this year has seen continued double digit sales gains in the pick-up truck category. As someone that lives in rural Iowa, the appeal and utility of the pickup is obvious every day. Thus, I have been surprised at the seeming lack of interest from automakers in developing an all electric pickup. Here in Iowa and throughout most of the Midwest, the advantages (great torque and much lower cost of operation) of a solid EV alternative to the standard ICE offerings from General Motors (NYSE:GM), Ford (NYSE:F), Toyota (NYSE:TM) would outweigh any range anxiety factors, since almost all truck owners here also have a 2nd (and 3rd) vehicle, and the trucks are mainly used around the farm and to carry loads to and from the nearest town. With gas prices under $3/gallon for most of this year, automakers have seen large gains in pickup truck sales in 2015. At the right price, an EV based pickup truck could be extremely popular, but so far two small companies are the only ones with e-trucks currently on the market. While Elon Musk has mentioned that Telsa plans to develop an F150 competitor in the future, the company's current focus is clearly on delivering the Model X and Model III. GM, Ford, or the other big pickup truck makers would be smart to develop a solid EV pickup as soon as possible, or risk losing the market to Tesla. American's have long had a love affair with their trucks and SUVs, but that affair was put on pause for a few years back in 2008 with the rise in oil prices and then the economic collapse. Sales plummeted over 50% and taken the last five years to return to their mid-2000's levels. Thanks to low gas prices, this year has seen continued double digit sales gains in the pick-up truck category. As someone that lives in rural Iowa, the appeal and utility of the pickup is obvious every day. Thus, I have been surprised at the seeming lack of interest from automakers in developing an all electric pickup. Here in Iowa and throughout most of the Midwest, the advantages (great torque and much lower cost of operation) of a solid EV alternative to the standard ICE offerings from General Motors (NYSE:GM), Ford (NYSE:F), Toyota (NYSE:TM) would outweigh any range anxiety factors, since almost all truck owners here also have a 2nd (and 3rd) vehicle, and the trucks are mainly used around the farm and to carry loads to and from the nearest town. In this article I'll review the current E-truck offerings and discuss the importance for automakers of getting a model designed and into production before Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA). Current US EV Truck Offerings Thus far, the only EV trucks I've been able to find for sale in the US are being marketed more as fleet purchases, rather than to individuals. This is understandable, as fleets typically have specific purposes which fit within the existing E-truck constraints, and fleet managers are more likely to understand the potential long term savings. The more normal looking option is the Via Motors VTRUX, which is designed in much the same way as the Chevy Volt. According to Gas2.org, the truck actually uses a Chevy Silverado standard frame and body, but instead of the standard ICE engine, Via installs their own hybrid power-train. This power-train includes a 23 kWh battery pack, along with a 4.3L V6 gas/electric generator that kicks in after the battery pack runs out around 40 miles and provides another 360 miles before the tank needs to
[EVDL] EVLN: Energica Electric Superbikes> The Tesla Of eMotorcycles since 2014
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/96071/20151016/tesla-of-motorcycles-energica-electric-superbikes-can-blast-off-from-0-to-60-mph-in-less-than-three-seconds.htm
Tesla Of Motorcycles? Energica Electric Superbikes Can Blast Off From 0 To
60 MPH In Less Than Three Seconds
By Fritz Gleyo, Tech Times | October 16, 2015
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Energica has so far sold 10 units of the Ego, which is priced at $28,500,
and the limited edition Ego45 that sells for $51,349. / Energica
]
Tesla is slowly displacing the gasoline-powered vehicles to and clearing the
way for the more environmentally-friendly electric vehicles. Energica Motor
Company, a subsidiary of the CRP Group that is centered on manufacturing
electric motorcycles, is looking to ride the waves generated by Tesla's
recent automobile releases.
A few weeks ago, the Italian motor company rolled out its all-electric
two-wheeled offerings that can accelerate from 0-60 miles in less than three
seconds and run at a top speed of 150 miles per hour. The figures are pretty
decent as far as motorcycle acceleration and top speeds are concerned.
The electric bikes will have a 100-mile range and can be charged up to 80
percent of the battery's maximum allowable load in just half an hour. And
although they will be equipped with an electric motor, Energica's bikes will
not pass by silently.
"It has its proper sound due to the mechanics of the motor," Energica CEO
Livia Cevolini said. "Many people have compared it to the sound of a jet."
Energica released two models that are capable of the mentioned stats — the
Ego and the Ego45. As the naming pattern suggests, the Ego will be the
cheaper of the two at $28,500. The limited edition Ego45 is priced almost
twice that of the Ego at $51,349.
The Modena-based company sold 10 of the specified motorcycles. It is hoping
that the current electric vehicle craze, which Tesla started, will help it
to sell more. Energica also announced its plans of going public through
LSE's sub-market, AIM, before 2015 concludes.
"Tesla is proof that there is room now more than ever for new brands once
that technology is demonstrated," explained Cevolini.
The high-speed electric motorcycle niche is growing and Energica faces stiff
competition if it's going to release its two-wheeled jets within the US.
Harley-Davidson came out with LiveWire last year and with the coming 2016,
Yamaha is also set to release its own take on the electric sportbike.
Furthermore, Zero Motorcycles, maker of the Zero DS electric bikes, which
has a variant that can hit 179 miles per hour, is also gaining traction due
to its reasonable prices that starts at roughly $12,000.
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Sep 28, 2015 CRP USA will also showcase for the occasion the Energica Ego,
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[EVDL] EVLN: Yamaha to unveil 2WD EV bikes PES2, PED2
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/auto/story/yamaha-to-unveil-ev-bikes-lmw-and-an-automobile-at-44th-tokyo-motor-show/1/501058.html
Yamaha to unveil EV bikes, LMW and an automobile at 44th Tokyo Motor Show
IndiaToday.in | New Delhi, October 17, 2015
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Yamaha PES2 The PES2 on-road sport model has an additional electric motor
built into the hub of the front wheel to make it a 2WD motorcycle
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Yamaha PED2 The Yamaha PED2 is a partner for hitting mountain trails
designed to capitalize on the clean, quiet performance character of an EV to
better enjoy riding through the natural world
]
Yamaha will also unveil their first automobile at the 44th Tokyo Motor Show.
Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd. will participate in the 44th Tokyo Motor Show 2015 to
be held at the Tokyo Big Sight from October 29 to November 8. The theme of
the Yamaha Motor booth will be the "Yamaha Motor Product Orchestra."
Yamaha will unveil a total of 20 models-of which six are world premiere
models and one is a Japan premiere model-will be on display. These will
include electrically power-assisted bicycles, scooters, motorcycles, Leaning
Multi-Wheelers (LMW), a Recreational Off-road Vehicle (ROV) and an
automobile. Yes! You read it write. Yamaha will unveil their first
automobile at the 44th Tokyo Motor Show.
Yamaha will also unveil and display an autonomous motorcycle-riding humanoid
robot that combines motorcycle and robotics technologies. The booth will
offer an experience of "the growing world of personal mobility" unique to
Yamaha, a specialist in small vehicles for personal mobility.
World Premiere:
PES2, PED2
In addition to the characteristics unique to an electric motor, these two EV
(electric vehicle) motorcycle concept models have an operational feel that
will seem natural even to today's motorcycle enthusiasts and they achieve a
new kind of riding experience that will inspire the Passion in riders. The
Street sport "PES2" and Dirt sport "PED2" share a new power unit (Yamaha
Smart Power Module) with a monocoque structure that also functions as the
frame.
Yamaha PES2
The PES2 on-road sport model has an additional electric motor built into the
hub of the front wheel to make it a 2WD motorcycle, and it is designed to
pioneer new boundaries of performance never experienced before. In contrast,
the PED2 is a partner for hitting mountain trails designed to capitalize on
the clean, quiet performance character of an EV to better enjoy riding
through the natural world. Both models are equivalent in performance to
Class II (50-125cc) mopeds and motorcycles.
Yamaha PED2
[PES2] Length x Width x Height = 1,920 mm × 680 mm × 1,060 mm Motor type =
DC brushless motor Battery type = Lithium-ion (detachable) Vehicle weight =
under 130 kg
[PED2] Length x Width x Height = 2,045 mm × 775 mm ×1,205 mm Motor type =
DC brushless motor Battery type = Lithium-ion (detachable) Vehicle weight =
under 100 kg ...
YPJ-MTB CONCEPT
This electrically power-assisted mountain bike mounts an electric motor on a
high-performance bicycle and is designed for adults who want to enjoy the
freedom of being able to ride on virtually any terrain. It lets you feel the
presence of the power unit where it is most appreciated, like in starts,
acceleration and hill-climbing, but with a design that minimizes the visual
presence of that same power unit. For added assurance in riding longer
distances on any type of terrain, the model is fitted with a large-capacity
400 Wh battery and a multi-function instrument panel.
Yamaha YPJ-MTB CONCEPT
This electrically power-assisted mountain bike mounts an electric motor on a
high-performance bicycle and is designed for adults who want to enjoy the
freedom of being able to ride on virtually any terrain.
This YPJ project is about offering new value and new scenes for bicycle
riding, and this mountain bike concept model redefines the positioning and
functions of electrically power-assisted bicycles from a vehicle that makes
riding easier to one that opens up a new realm of sporty recreational
riding.
Motor type = DC brushless motor Rated output = 250 W Battery capacity = 400
Wh Battery type = Lithium-ion.
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[EVDL] EVLN: Even at $12k, the 3whl Arcimoto may be too expensive ts:85mph
http://www.wired.com/2015/10/arcimoto/ The Key to Cheap Electric Cars? Ditch the Steering Wheel 10.18.15 Klint Finley [images http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Eagle-Wing-Door.jpg Arcimoto http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/arcimoto-photo.jpeg ] Mark Frohmayer loves to drive. But he’s never quite been able to square that passion with his environmental concerns. He just found the idea of using a gas-powered, two-ton contraption to carry a single person a few miles each day absurd. Eight years ago—before the Tesla Roadster hit the market—he decided what he needed was a small electric car that could reliably carry him around his hometown of Eugene, Oregon and was fun to drive. He couldn’t find one, so he decided to design his own. The strange thing to Frohmayer was that all the technology for building a practical, cheap, and safe electric vehicle were available. But no one had put all of the pieces together, despite the fact the potential market for such a product was huge, given the surging demand for cars in emerging markets like India and China. With Tesla focusing on the luxury market, he saw a big need for an affordable electric vehicle. It turned out, of course, that that was easier said than done. Over the past eight years Frohnmayer’s startup Arcimoto has shown off several quirky three-wheeled prototypes—Firefly star Nathan Fillion famously pre-ordered one in 2010 and talked it up on Conan a couple years ago. But the team struggled to hit on the perfect design that would enable them to bring the vehicle to the mass market. Now, eight years later, Frohmayer and company have finally prototyped a “car” that he believes meets all his criteria and will sell for less than $12,000. The key to creating something that was cheap, efficient and comfortable, it turned out, was ditching the steering wheel. The result of those efforts is the SRK, a two-seat, three-wheeled electric vehicle that looks like the spawn of a golf cart and an ATV. The company plans to begin selling it in late 2016 or early 2017. It’s officially classed as a motorcycle, which means it doesn’t have to meet the same rigorous safety standards as a four-wheeled car. But unlike a motorcycle with only two wheels, you don’t need to learn anything new to drive it (though you might need a motorcycle license in some states). It also has a protective shell, and, for an additional fee, it can be upgraded to a fully enclosed model. The prototype’s 12 kilowatt lithium ion battery has a range of about 70 miles, and can hit speeds of at least 85 miles per hour. And it can hit them fast: it can go from zero to 60 miles per hour in only 7.5 seconds. It’s only 105 inches long, which means you can park it like a motorcycle, but it’s tall enough for Frohnmayer, who stands 6-feet-4-inches tall to sit in it comfortably. You won’t be able to use for family vacations or hauling lumber, but it should do just fine at commuting to work, picking up groceries, delivering pizzas, or just giving a friend a lift. For urban drivers—especially those in the dense, growing of India and China—it can cover a lot of what you’d need to do. And, yes, it’s a heck of a lot of fun to drive. The Clever Version Of course the scrapyard of history is littered with the burnt out husks of failed electric car companies, and three-wheeled vehicles have a particularly bad record. But Tesla Motors co-founder Marc Tarpenning, an informal advisor to Arcimoto, says that Frohnmayer and his team’s sense of design sets them apart from the pack. “I get an almost endless stream of people wanting to talk about their latest thing,” he says. “I have seen a whole bunch of these three-wheel electric vehicles, but this happens to be the most clever version.” Before starting Arcimoto, Frohnmayer’s only experience in the automotive industry were a couple of summer internships at General Motors while studying computer science and electrical engineering at the University of California, Berkeley. He also spent some time interning for an electronics company in Indianapolis but decided large engineering teams weren’t for him. 'I have seen a whole bunch of these three-wheel electric vehicles, but this happens to be the most clever version.' Tesla Co-Founder Marc Tarpenning After graduation, he moved home to Eugene and landed a job at the video game company Dynamix before co-founding GarageGames in 2000. The team sold the company in 2007, and he started Archimoto with his cut of the sale. Fortunately, Frohmayer, who now commutes to work on a OneWheel electric skateboard, doesn’t have to go it alone. While Oregon might not sound like a great place to start a car company, but it has been home to just enough automakers—such as Freightliner Trucks and RV company Country Couch—that he had a pool of qualified engineers and industrial designers Frohnmayer could tap to help turn his vision into real, drivable prototypes. Only the Essentials Where Tesla has focused on adding ever
[EVDL] France Ramping Up EV Bonus Program For Upgrading From Diesel To EV
http://evobsession.com/france-ramping-ev-bonus-program-upgrading-old-diesel-cars/
France Ramping Up EV Bonus Program For Those Upgrading From Old Diesel Cars
October 14th, 2015 by James Ayre
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The French government’s current program offering monetary bonuses to those
upgrading to an electric car from an older diesel one is being expanded,
according to recent reports.
According to the French Minister of Ecology and Energy, Segolene Royal, the
government in the country is going to be extending the current program —
which rewards a €10,000 bonus to those switching to an electric vehicle (EV)
from a 15-year-old diesel car — to encompass diesel cars that are “only” 10
years old as well.
The minister also made mention of the government’s desire for there to be an
affordable electric car on the market — with a price range somewhere between
€5000 to €8000. There was also a comment about the aim to do away with tax
benefits for diesel fuel — but also that that was something that would have
to wait, so as to avoid penalizing current owners.
Considering that around two-thirds of all the cars on France’s roads are
currently diesel ones, that makes a fair amount of sense. Reportedly, the
plan is for the end of such subsidies to come 5 years from now.
Green Car Reports provides more:
Efforts to limit the number of diesel cars on French roads a represent a
reversal of a decades-long policy of encouraging them. In the 1960s, the
French government and auto industry made the decision to move to diesel
because of its superior fuel economy.
Now, France is paying for that choice in the form of high levels harmful
particulate matter and other pollutants from diesel exhaust. Emission limits
on diesels in the European Union have lagged those in the US for many years,
with cars before 2005 only required to meet minimal Euro 4 standards.
As a result, those vehicles — now eligible for the scrapping incentive in
France — emit visible soot as well as high amounts of nitrogen oxides and
other harmful gases. The smell of their exhaust is characteristic of any
French city.
Yes, it certainly is. That said, given the timing of this announcement one
can’t help but speculate on a possible association the Volkswagen scandal.
While the broader push to move away from older diesel cars was already
underway in France, the recent scandal can’t have hurt the anti-diesel
lobby.
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