Re: [EVDL] Nominal votage J1772 DC charging

[Cor van de Water via EV]

It also appears that EMW has now UL-certified its products,
seeing that they are awarded contracts under CPUC's DRAM with all 3
investor-owned utilities:
http://emotorwerks.com/component/content/article/89-emotorwerks/emotorwe
rks-company/media-and-public-relations/media-coverage/248-review-5?Itemi
d=1007

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While it is true that EMW never UL-approved the Juicebox, they did get
approval from other safety testing (another commercial company than UL)
so there is no indication that JuiceBox is unsafe or would be a problem
with your insurance as suggested, I consider that either ignorance or
fear-mongering.

The lack of UL certification did disqualify them from a trial that
specifically required UL approval, so people in that trial did miss out
on the rebate.

Even if you put a JuiceBox together yourself (which, by definition
cannot have UL approval for the total product, because workmanship is
not guaranteed) but you use all UL or otherwise safety approved
components, then you still have as good a case when a fire hits as if
you mounted some components together to build an amplifier or a power
supply or you were modifying your own vehicle.
I have never seen a fire insurance requiring all UL approved products in
the home or else you won't get your insurance money. If I am not
mistaken, they look at whether there was arson or whether there were any
known unsafe practices that may have caused a fire (so, deliberate
setting fire or failing to act to stop a known hazard) but that does not
include using products without UL approval. It is not illegal to sell
products in the USA without UL approval so I wonder why you present it
this way?
Please explain the "problem that has manifested" that you claim.

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Do not install juice box in the CA Bay Area as it is not approved. Red
flag
when you sell or even worse, have a fire. I would think most would be
aware
of this problem that has manifested.

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Re: [EVDL] Nominal votage J1772 DC charging

[Cor van de Water via EV]

While it is true that EMW never UL-approved the Juicebox, they did get
approval from other safety testing (another commercial company than UL)
so there is no indication that JuiceBox is unsafe or would be a problem
with your insurance as suggested, I consider that either ignorance or
fear-mongering.

The lack of UL certification did disqualify them from a trial that
specifically required UL approval, so people in that trial did miss out
on the rebate.

Even if you put a JuiceBox together yourself (which, by definition
cannot have UL approval for the total product, because workmanship is
not guaranteed) but you use all UL or otherwise safety approved
components, then you still have as good a case when a fire hits as if
you mounted some components together to build an amplifier or a power
supply or you were modifying your own vehicle.
I have never seen a fire insurance requiring all UL approved products in
the home or else you won't get your insurance money. If I am not
mistaken, they look at whether there was arson or whether there were any
known unsafe practices that may have caused a fire (so, deliberate
setting fire or failing to act to stop a known hazard) but that does not
include using products without UL approval. It is not illegal to sell
products in the USA without UL approval so I wonder why you present it
this way?
Please explain the "problem that has manifested" that you claim.

Cor van de Water 
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Do not install juice box in the CA Bay Area as it is not approved. Red
flag
when you sell or even worse, have a fire. I would think most would be
aware
of this problem that has manifested.

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[EVDL] Barra's Baby: HOW GM BEATS TESLA TO THE Every Man's Electric Car

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[ref
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/HOW-GM-BEATS-TESLA-TO-THE-Every-Man-s-Electric-Car-tp4679641.html
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That news item Steven posted I passed on, same as I did: 
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/01/06/chevy-bolt-2017-unveiled/
2017 Chevy Bolt unveiled — The everyman’s electric car
January 6, 2016

There had been so-much newswire PR from CES on this (every media outlet had
a piece on the pre-Bolt) I thought the topic was saturated and there was
little more informational-meat to be had (hopefully more later). 

Also GM was throwing around "every man’s" a lot which made it's use sound
trite. GM has used that slogan many times in the past (as far back as 1941),
see 
https://www.google.com/webhp?ssrp=1#q=%22General+Motors%22+%22Every+Man%27s%22

So what makes this EV so great?
Is it the 0 to 60mph in 7 seconds? Here is a list of vehicles that can also
do that, see
http://www.autosnout.com/0-60-Times/0-60mph-in-less-than-7-seconds.php

Is it the $30k price where others are touting 200 mile range at ~$33k?
GM's will be only $30k after the incentives, otherwise it will be $37k.

Is it the added roominess that GM put into the Sonic platform/pinnings?
Perhaps, but that will be much more important to what GM is planning for> to
be a Uber,Lyft EV, see
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-5B-hedge-bet-you-ll-Uber-an-auton-GM-EV-for-a-Lyft-than-buy1-tp4679573.html
EVLN: $.5B hedge bet> you'll Uber an auton GM EV for a Lyft, than buy1

But after reading the responses to Wired piece, I read it. Considering that
most media writers spew opinion rather than information, this piece was
useful, and I thank Steven for posting it. 

So much so, I pulled down the text and links, waded through to find the
words that nabble thought was [s pam], and posted it on the EVLN page of the
evdl nabble archive. So, encase you (are outside the U.S. and) could not
access that URL, or have a low-bandwidth connection, it is there as a
historical record for all to view, see

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Barra-s-Baby-Wants-1st-To-30k-200mi-EV-Market-ts-0-60mph-7s-v-td4679646.html
EVLN: Barra's Baby Wants 1st To $30k 200mi EV Market ts:0-60mph:7s (v)

Sure the Wired piece does miss several important points of how much of a
Bad-Boy Automotive-Bully GM (still) is (they have done so many, many bad
things). I liken GM's efforts to be a better company like the charitable
efforts of Capone trying to better his public image
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=charities+al+capone

Does this mean I would never buy a GM product (as was posted by some on the
evdl)? No. I considered this when I chose a Chevy S-10 Blazer as my donor
vehicle for conversion way back in 1990. You have to understand, more of a
priority for me was and is today: ?Does the vehicle fit my needs?
Of course, it will not stop me from complaining what bad things GM has and
is doing ...

The Wired piece does not qualify some opinionated points (like why there
were so few wanting the EV1 - because GM limited that, and that GM wanted it
to be a failure, hence why GM had high powered/paid lawyers fighting/kicking
the teeth out of CARB, +much more).

But over all, I would say that Wired piece is worthy of a thorough read (see
EVLN URL above). It touches on some of the political infighting that GM
still has. And it mentions Barra worked hard on the Volt pih, and now the
pre-Bolt (its not released yet), she has a very long fight at GM to keep
them on track to achieve her goals. 

There were several news items in the past about Barra, a couple of which I
posted to the evdl archive, see
[dated]
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-CEO-Mary-Barra-Tells-GM-Employees-To-Embrace-Reform-Or-GTFO-tp4672577.html
EVLN: CEO Mary Barra Tells GM Employees To Embrace Reform Or GTFO
Nov 13, 2014
...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/There-s-a-new-hand-on-the-wheel-steering-GM-tp474.html
There's a new hand on the wheel steering GM
Dec 11, 2013

She is a die-hard GM lifer, and sweats petrol like the guy mentioned in the
Wired piece. But the PR shots of her I've seen, make me think her feet must
be killing her wearing those tall heels. IMO her wearing comfortable shoes
would have been a better image for the new GM (out with the stodgy old
school ways, in with the sensible ones)
https://google.com/search?q=Do+high+heels+empower+or+oppress+women+in+the+workplace%3F




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Re: [EVDL] HOW GM BEATS TESLA TO THE Every Man's Electric Car

[Peri Hartman via EV]

Or is that cutting off your nose to spite your face?  I certainly have 
no alignment with GM and have never owned a GM vehicle.


Sometimes the best way to get mass acceptance is to get the resisters on 
board.  Want to get more EVs on the road?  Get the big guys to promote 
them.  Want to get more solar and wind?  Get the big utilities to see 
investment in them as better for their bottom line than coal.  You still 
might have to hold your nose, though :)


Peri

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On 01/11/2016 03:03 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
Ah, GM finally delivers that electric Chevette they promised in 1978.  
:-\


I'll still never forgive them for what they did to the EV1.
As you well know, GM's sins extend far beyond what they did with the 
EV1.  They insured that the only battery at the time suitable for an EV 
would never be used in an EV.  Not only did they kill their own EV1 
program, they set back EV development for ALL EV and potential EV 
makers by ~15 years.

No sense in cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I'd HAVE to cut my nose off to buy one of those.  I wouldn't be able 
to hold

it long enough to get out of the showroom.


I'm certainly with David here.  I will claim that anyone that is 
willing to buy a Bolt just hasn't been informed of GM history.


Besides, it has that bloody Onstar spyware.  But then that's not much
different from having Elon Musk riding in the back seat of every 
Tesla.
David, i suspect you have not yet had your Tesla test drive.  I 
encourage you to do so.


Apparently, OnStar will give the Bolt the capability of doing "over the 
air updates" as Tesla does.  But GM will not use that capability; every 
Bolt will have to be taken to a dealer to have such updates installed.  
One of the many joys of owning a Tesla is that you wake up every once 
in a while with a software update that adds new capabilities, corrects 
problems, or just generally makes things nicer.


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Re: [EVDL] HOW GM BEATS TESLA TO THE Every Man's Electric Car

[Willie2 via EV]

On 01/11/2016 03:03 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:

Ah, GM finally delivers that electric Chevette they promised in 1978.  :-\

I'll still never forgive them for what they did to the EV1.
As you well know, GM's sins extend far beyond what they did with the 
EV1.  They insured that the only battery at the time suitable for an EV 
would never be used in an EV.  Not only did they kill their own EV1 
program, they set back EV development for ALL EV and potential EV makers 
by ~15 years.

No sense in cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I'd HAVE to cut my nose off to buy one of those.  I wouldn't be able to hold
it long enough to get out of the showroom.


I'm certainly with David here.  I will claim that anyone that is willing 
to buy a Bolt just hasn't been informed of GM history.


Besides, it has that bloody Onstar spyware.  But then that's not much
different from having Elon Musk riding in the back seat of every Tesla.
David, i suspect you have not yet had your Tesla test drive.  I 
encourage you to do so.


Apparently, OnStar will give the Bolt the capability of doing "over the 
air updates" as Tesla does.  But GM will not use that capability; every 
Bolt will have to be taken to a dealer to have such updates installed.  
One of the many joys of owning a Tesla is that you wake up every once in 
a while with a software update that adds new capabilities, corrects 
problems, or just generally makes things nicer.


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Re: [EVDL] How to find the true state of a Leaf battery pack.

[brucedp5 via EV]

Embellishing on David's response
>They're still right where they've been since 2007: 
http://evdl.org/archive/
<

If (for whatever reason: ingested deleterious chemicals, etc.) you find
yourself unable to remember how to find the official evdl.org (nabble)
archive (got bookmark?), the major browsers have a built in find feature, so
just type in  evdl  where you would enter the URL (address), and links to
the site will come up. Clicking on them, the main evdl.org page has a link
at the top dead-centerthat takes you straight to the official (nabble)
archives.

While the other evdl archives one could use are unofficial, I am glad they
are there as a secondary resource. It seems the evdl (nabble) archive pages
(main and including the EVLN one I post the EV newswires to) were not
released to the search engines. So, when using a search-engine, the
unofficial evdl archives come up.

Lets take a worst case scenario (you're still hung over or stoned, etc.) and
you can not remember to just type in evdl.
You can use your favorite search engine (google, yahoo, etc.) to search for
the topic you want from any archived evdl post, just put  evdl  at the
beginning of your keyword search. Here are some examples:
evdl state Leaf battery
evdl reset Leaf battery
evdl Leaf battery balancing

That last one
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=evdl+Leaf+battery+balancing
 showed an evdl post that reminded me that pack-balancing should be done
first if one wants to know how truly healthy their pack is. Meaning, what if
a leaf EV'r has taken a trip that used L3 a few times to 80%, and a total
pack-balancing has not occurred, when compared to what was described in
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.cars.evdl/103878
EVLN: Offset Supercharging degradation w/ pack balancing

For me, I would want to take the time to discharge the pack down to a safe
point by the time I got home, and recharge it slowly until its designated
full point (SOC), then use the aforementioned tools to take a kWh capacity
reading. Then I would know what I really have (it would take more time and
effort, but for me the reading would be more valid). 

Perhaps the driver could take a before and after (total pack-balancing)
capacity reading and note the difference (how much total pack-balancing made
a difference)?




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For some reason I can't find the archives.  So here is a question.  I'm
under the impression you can get into the Leaf system to determine battery
state.  What tools do you need and has anyone gotten a new battery using
this approach.  Lawrence Rhodes
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[EVDL] EVLN: S.Korea Electric bus system w/ embedded in-road charging

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http://nation.com.pk/international/05-Jan-2016/south-korea-creates-electric-vehicle-system-charges-cars-on-the-road
South Korea creates electric vehicle system charges cars on the road
January 05, 2016

[image  
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(ebus)
] ...

The researchers at Korea’s Advanced Institute of Science and Technology ...
have created first-of-its-kind on-line electric vehicle (OLEV) system, that
can recharge electric cars or buses while they are on the go.

In the city of Gumi, South Korea, a seven-and-a-half-mile stretch of asphalt
roadway has been constructed with power sources periodically embedded in the
road. As a bus approaches and leaves, these power sources connect to the
grid and are turned on and off selectively. According to KAIST, only 5% to
15% of the already existing road needs to be rebuild to make it a wireless
charger.

The batteries used in the buses are almost third the size of a normal
electric car battery, yet the buses don’t need to stop for charging and are
more cost effective. This technology being eco-friendly can curb the
increasing carbon level, hence solving many pollutions related health
issues.
[© nation.com.pk]
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http://thelogicalindian.com/environment/korea-constructs-road-that-wirelessly-charges-moving-electric-buses/
Korea Constructs Road That Wirelessly Charges Moving Electric Buses
January 5, 2016




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[EVDL] EVLN: Mahindra Halo higher-perf Electric sportscar r:200km ts:160kph

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://www.rushlane.com/mahindra-halo-yellow-car-photo-12178832.html
Mahindra Halo electric sportscar emerges with Yellow exterior color
[20160104]  Nithyanandh Karuppaswamy

[image  
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Mahindra Halo electric sportscar in Yellow
]

The electric sportscar is likely to enter production later this year.
 
Unveiled as a concept at the Auto Expo 2014, the Mahindra Halo electric
sportscar announced Reva’s intentions to venture into high performance
territory. However, there have been no significant updates on the Halo till
now.

A photograph of a yellow example of the EV has been shared by industrialist
Parth Jindal on Twitter. The Auto Expo car was finished in a pale blue
exterior color with red accents.

Apart from the new color, there are no noticeable visual differences. The
emergence of the yellow Halo hints that Mahindra could be showcasing it at
the Auto Expo 2016 next month, possibly with updates that will take it
closer to the production line. Or it could simply be one of the development
prototypes.

The compact 2-door electric coupe would be positioned in the international
market as an affordable yet sporty electric vehicle. Not much about the
pure-electric drivetrain has been spoken about by the company but the
production ready car would be available in two variants. The base model
would have a topspeed of 100 kmph and a range of 150 km. The range-topping
variant would manage a top whack of 160 kmph and a range of 200 km.

Going by the showcar, the interior offers two sport seats and a simple
dashboard with a touchscreen multimedia infotainment system which also
incorporates the EV user interface. If everything goes as per the plan, the
Mahindra Halo would enter production at the later part of 2016.
[© rushlane.com]
...
http://www.cartrade.com/car-bike-news/mahindra-halo-could-make-production-130875.html
Mahindra Halo could make production
January 05, 2016 ...
The Halo concept will be offered in two variants: one is a top-end that has
a maximum speed of 160kmph and a range of 200 kilometres. The base model
will have a range in between 100 to 150 kilometres. Mahindra claims that
this electric vehicle will reach 100kmph in nine seconds. Mahindra hasn’t
shared a lot of details on this electric vehicle, but it will come
feature-loaded and will have a lot of safety features too on offer to match
the European safety norms ... [© 2016 CarTrade.com]
...
http://www.rushlane.com/4-door-mahindra-e2o-spied-launch-auto-expo-12176844.html
Mahindra e2o 4-door EV spied




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[EVDL] EVLN: i3 EV – Winter Update, Test-Drive cold-r:66mi

[brucedp5 via EV]

'ECO PRO mode attenuates the throttle inputs smoothing them out'

http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/01/06/test-drive-bmw-i3-electric-vehicle-winter-update/
TEST DRIVE: BMW i3 Electric Vehicle – Winter Update
January 6th, 2016  Chuck Vossler

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BMW i3 winter test drive

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Nokkian Hakkapeliitta snow tires


video  dated
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I vividly remember my first winter storm with our BMW i3. Setting out in the
dark, early morning with five inches of snow already on the ground, I was
off into a whole new world full of unknowns of electric car winter driving –
all potentially problematic. How bad was the range hit going to be when the
battery got cold? How was the i3 going to handle in the snow? Was regen
braking going to make me spin out?

When this year’s first real storm approached last week, I popped our winter
wheels and tires on and I was ready. I knew it could handle anything this
storm had in store. I also knew my range would decrease and would need to
plan accordingly – namely  looking for charging options as a back-up if my
range hit was more than anticipated.

The BMW i3 has a 22 kWh battery pack, which in mild weather 40F-90F allows
you to travel about 4-5 miles per kWh. This gives a predicted range in the
i3 BEV of about 80 miles as electric cars cannot allow their battery to go
completely empty.

In winter weather, the key to maintaining reasonable range is BMW’s active
thermal management of the battery. You can have the i3 even heat the battery
up and warm the cabin in attempt to maximize distance. But pre-Conditioning
only works when connected to a Level 2 Charger.

I think that pre-conditioning is necessary when the car is outside or your
i3’s battery pack is seriously could [cold]. However, our i3 resides in a
heated garage at 55 F, so this year, I am going to try living without
pre-conditioning to see if I really need it. The distances we drive with our
i3 are rarely over 40 miles in a day.

My theory is this – If I am only driving 15 miles after I pre-condition in a
heated garage and I park it outside at work all day, does it really help me?
I think not, but will report back. In other words, I think the impact of the
cold decreasing my range by 30-40 percent will still give me the daily
distance/range I need in our i3.

If I have the opportunity to plug in to a Level 2 charger outside and the i3
is cold – say less than 30F – I will definitely pre-condition it. As I don’t
have a charger at work, I think this scenario is going to be quite rare,
however.

My other thought with not pre-condition is to see if I can make the windows
fog less on the inside. It drives me nuts when I am wearing a serious winter
coat and gloves in the i3, while trying to maximize battery range but have
to cycle the defroster on and off. I have not ever driven another car so
prone to fogging inside like this – and yes – my vent is set to fresh air.

When it comes to winter driving, snow tires are key. We are in our second
season of driving on the Nokkian Hakkapeliittas and they are absolutely
outstanding in the snow. On dry pavement, they are rather soft and handle
differently than our Bridgestone Ecopias. We also have a set of Bridgestone
Blizzaks which are also excellent but have just a little less aggressive
winter treats pattern compared to the Nokkians.

I am sure the Nokkians will wear out faster than the Blizzaks, so I have
been popping the Nokkians on and off depending on if we are going to have
the slick stuff on the ground. We have a separate set of wheels for our snow
tires so it makes changing them much easier than having to visit a tire
dealer. It does however mean that you need the equipment to be able to
change them and a place to store them.

When driving in snow, the I use ECO PRO mode. I find this attenuates the
throttle inputs, smooths them out. This years first storm started with icing
first and then snow, which made conditions really treacherous. However, with
gentle inputs to the steering and throttle, and keeping overall speeds
lower, I had no problems getting around. This was not true for others
though, chose not to slow down and ended up in the ditch. Yes, I am talking
about you Mr. Hyundai Sport Ute. The other thing that was really nice was
that my Merrell 

[EVDL] EVLN: Unofficial preliminary 2017 pre-Bolt specs leaked (v)

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'First Drive Impressions Of The 2017 Chevy Bolt EV: Video'
'GM confirms $37.5k Bolt EV price'

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/01/preliminary-2017-chevrolet-bolt-ev-specs-leaked/
Preliminary 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV Specs Leaked
Jan 6, 2016  Sean Szymkowski

[image  
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2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV
]

While we won’t have the “official” specifications for the 2017 Chevrolet
Bolt EV until 4 p.m. Eastern time, The Detroit Free Press has compiled what
it has learned so far after spending some time driving the EV.

Below are preliminary specs for the 2017 Bolt EV, which Chevrolet is
expected to announce during the official reveal:

 - Nine hours to fully recharge on Level 2
 - EPA-estimated range of 200 miles or more
 - Available in late 2016
 - Expected output of 150 horsepower
 - 300 pound-feet of torque
 - 0 to 60 MPH in seven seconds
 - Top speed of more than 90 MPH
 - DC fast charger will recharge car from 0 to 80% in 45 minutes
 - Price still claimed to be less than $30,000 after the $7,500 tax credit
 - 10.2-inch touchscreen
 - Exterior structure is made of aluminum, carbon fiber and mineral
magnesium
 - Battery tucked under floor
 - Seating for five
 - Four USB ports, as well as the OnStar 4G LTE ...
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http://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/01/first-drive-impressions-of-the-2017-chevy-bolt-ev-video/
First Drive Impressions Of The 2017 Chevy Bolt EV: Video
Jan 6, 2016  Sean Szymkowski

[video
https://youtu.be/AHycHt2zicg
Chevrolet Bolt EV is the Future Car for Everyone | Mashable CES 2016
Mashable Jan 5, 2016
The Chevy Bolt is a game-changer. It's like driving the future. It's a Tesla
Model 3 killer. It will be capable of traveling more than 200 miles on a
single charge and it will cost around $30,000 after a $7,500 tax deduction.
Those are the two biggest figures you need to know and ones that make it a
very impressive car not only for General Motors but also the American car
market.
Read the full review: http://on.mash.to/1kKycxA
]

Much like the 2016 Chevrolet Camaro, Chevy and General Motors have begun to
allow a handful of media at the 2016 Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas
some time behind the wheel of the 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV.

Although the time was brief, here we have our very first driving impressions
of the 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV from Mashable. Chevrolet has cloaked the
styling a bit with graphics on the outside, and thick fabric covers much of
the interior to keep some things a surprise still, but this is the best look
we’ve had yet of the vehicle in the flesh.

Impressions peg the 2017 Bolt EV has roomier than expected, and a new
tile-styled Chevrolet MyLink system is reportedly very easy to use. Also, we
see the rearview mirror camera in action, too. With the flip of a switch, a
wide-view from the rear of the vehicle is displayed.
[© gmauthority.com]
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http://jalopnik.com/the-chevrolet-bolt-is-exactly-what-tesla-motors-wanted-1751470440
The Chevrolet Bolt Is Exactly What Tesla Motors Wanted
[Jan 6, 2016]



http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/chevrolet-bolt-ev-price/
GM confirms a $37500 base price for the 2017 Chevy Bolt EV
[Jan 8, 2016]  Since the Chevrolet Bolt EV concept was unveiled last year,
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[EVDL] Bangkok.th MTA renting Electric buses from China as it is cheaper

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http://news.thaivisa.com/thailand/bangkok-mta-considers-renting-electric-buses-from-china-as-it-is-cheaper/127391/
Bangkok MTA considers renting electric buses from China as it is cheaper
2016-01-08

BMTA considers renting electric buses from China as it is cheaper

BANGKOK, 8 January 2016 (NNT) – The Bangkok Mass Transit Authority of
Thailand (BMTA) will propose to the Cabinet that electric buses be leased
from China instead of bought, given that the price is roughly the same.

Deputy Transport Minister Omsin Cheevapruek said that electric buses are
ideal because they are more accessible to persons with disabilities.

They can travel 250 kilometers on a single charge and can reach a maximum
speed of 70 kilometers per hour. Mr. Omsin had the opportunity to travel on
the first electric bus during its trial run.

The Deputy Transport Minister is considering whether it would be cost
effective to lease these buses instead of having them made. Thailand had
earlier rented one from China at the cost of 15 million baht. However, the
cost of importing electric car parts, including tax, will total 16 million
baht.

BMTA Acting Director Pranee Sukrasorn said she preferred renting buses due
to price-related factors. The electric buses can begin service next year, if
the Cabinet approves the BMTA’s proposal within a few months.

As for the purchase of 489 NGV buses, the Ministry of Transport will start
an auction for the government procurement contract next month. If everything
goes according to plan, the natural gas buses are expected to begin service
before the end of August.
— NNT 2016-01-08
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[EVDL] EVLN: Mahindra Halo higher-performance sports EV r:200km ts:160kph

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http://www.rushlane.com/mahindra-halo-yellow-car-photo-12178832.html
Mahindra Halo electric sportscar emerges with Yellow exterior color
[20160104]  Nithyanandh Karuppaswamy

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Mahindra Halo electric sportscar in Yellow
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The electric sportscar is likely to enter production later this year.
 
Unveiled as a concept at the Auto Expo 2014, the Mahindra Halo electric
sportscar announced Reva’s intentions to venture into high performance
territory. However, there have been no significant updates on the Halo till
now.

A photograph of a yellow example of the EV has been shared by industrialist
Parth Jindal on Twitter. The Auto Expo car was finished in a pale blue
exterior color with red accents.

Apart from the new color, there are no noticeable visual differences. The
emergence of the yellow Halo hints that Mahindra could be showcasing it at
the Auto Expo 2016 next month, possibly with updates that will take it
closer to the production line. Or it could simply be one of the development
prototypes.

The compact 2-door electric coupe would be positioned in the international
market as an affordable yet sporty electric vehicle. Not much about the
pure-electric drivetrain has been spoken about by the company but the
production ready car would be available in two variants. The base model
would have a topspeed of 100 kmph and a range of 150 km. The range-topping
variant would manage a top whack of 160 kmph and a range of 200 km.

Going by the showcar, the interior offers two sport seats and a simple
dashboard with a touchscreen multimedia infotainment system which also
incorporates the EV user interface. If everything goes as per the plan, the
Mahindra Halo would enter production at the later part of 2016.
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...
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Mahindra Halo could make production
January 05, 2016 ...
The Halo concept will be offered in two variants: one is a top-end that has
a maximum speed of 160kmph and a range of 200 kilometres. The base model
will have a range in between 100 to 150 kilometres. Mahindra claims that
this electric vehicle will reach 100kmph in nine seconds. Mahindra hasn’t
shared a lot of details on this electric vehicle, but it will come
feature-loaded and will have a lot of safety features too on offer to match
the European safety norms ... [© 2016 CarTrade.com]
...
http://www.rushlane.com/4-door-mahindra-e2o-spied-launch-auto-expo-12176844.html
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Re: [EVDL] HOW GM BEATS TESLA TO THE Every Man's Electric Car

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On 11 Jan 2016 at 22:20, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

> Or is that cutting off your nose to spite your face?

Oh, don't get me wrong.  It's not that I won't buy a GM EV.  It's that I 
won't buy ANY GM vehicle, ever.  

It's not just their broken EV promises, it's not just their abominable 
treatment of the EV1 and its owners, it's not just their Onstar spyware, 
it's not just that they want to lock down your car (ICEV or EV) so only they 
can work on it.  

Those would be bad enough, but it's also that they actually want to make 
working on your own car a crime.

http://consumerist.com/2015/05/20/gm-that-car-you-bought-were-really-the-
ones-who-own-it/

http://v.gd/Qf35dR

They could offer me the Bolt for $1 and I still wouldn't buy it.  

Seriously, screw 'em.

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Re: [EVDL] Nominal votage J1772 DC charging

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On 01/11/2016 08:00 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

It also appears that EMW has now UL-certified its products,
seeing that they are awarded contracts under CPUC's DRAM with all 3
investor-owned utilities:
http://emotorwerks.com/component/content/article/89-emotorwerks/emotorwe
rks-company/media-and-public-relations/media-coverage/248-review-5?Itemi
d=1007


I own and use a Juicebox, and read that at one point they were trying 
for UL certification, but it is not yet listed on their product webpage.


I would expect that if they went to the trouble to get UL certified they 
would waste little time adding that certification to the product page of 
the website. Currently it only says:


• CE, NEMA, and SAE compliant


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Re: [EVDL] HOW GM BEATS TESLA TO THE Every Man's Electric Car

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Ah, GM finally delivers that electric Chevette they promised in 1978.  :-\

I'll still never forgive them for what they did to the EV1.

> No sense in cutting off your nose to spite your face. 

I'd HAVE to cut my nose off to buy one of those.  I wouldn't be able to hold 
it long enough to get out of the showroom.

Besides, it has that bloody Onstar spyware.  But then that's not much 
different from having Elon Musk riding in the back seat of every Tesla.

Sorry, but no thanks.

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Re: [EVDL] Nominal votage J1772 DC charging

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Do not install juice box in the CA Bay Area as it is not approved. Red flag
when you sell or even worse, have a fire. I would think most would be aware
of this problem that has manifested.

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Re: [EVDL] I do miss Bob Rice ......

[Rick Beebe via EV]

I consider it a great honor that I joined the New England Electric Auto 
Association (NEEAA) when Bob was president of the chapter. The meetings 
were held at his house and he always cooked up a rockin' chili. The 
collection of odds-and-ends and vehicles at his place was always very 
interesting. And he told great stories--full of those malapropisms. He 
was a master at that.


Someone brought a cheap, small, chinese-built electric scooter to one of 
the meetings and it was quite amusing watching Bob take it for a test 
drive. For those who never met him, Bob was a huge guy. I guess about 6' 
4" and probably 300 pounds. We were fairly amazed that the scooter 
didn't collapse and more amazed that the little 500watt motor was 
actually able to move him around quite well.


--Rick


On 01/10/2016 08:20 PM, Bill Dube via EV wrote:



Bob Rice used to call them "Trojan Teakettles."  ;-)




 I do indeed miss Bob Rice. He couldn't speak a sentence that didn't
include some colorful saying or witty malapropism.

 We each could tell countless stories about Bob Rice.

Bill Dube'

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Re: [EVDL] HOW GM BEATS TESLA TO THE Every Man's Electric Car

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On 01/11/2016 10:47 AM, Steven Lough via EV wrote:



FRONT PAGE: W I R E D M A G A Z I N E ( 
http://www.wired.com/2016/01/gm-electric-car-chevy-bolt-mary-barra/ )


I haven't yet read the entire article but didn't notice mention of GM's 
previous performance in subverting EV development.  Also, did not notice 
any provision for comment.


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Re: [EVDL] HOW GM BEATS TESLA TO THE Every Man's Electric Car

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"/I haven't yet read the entire article but didn't notice mention of GM's
previous performance in subverting EV development.  Also, did not notice any
provision for comment./"

In fact the article states that GM killed the electric car twice, and
discusses the EV1 a bit.

The author didn't let the facts get in the way of a good story to glamorize
"the new GM". Seem to be a number of errors and exaggerations in the
article.  for example, he states that the EV1 had 50 miles range, and that
the Nissan Leaf was introduced at about the same price as the Volt, but the
Volt was originally quite a bit higher in price - it came down after the
Leaf was introduced, likely to compete.

I think GM has definitely made a first class effort, though I don't think
they would have done it without the new national fuel economy standards and
Nissan and Tesla prodding them.  And they lucked out with LG Chem
productizing the NMC battery chemistry in time to beat Tesla to the punch. 
So no, I don't buy the white hat story, but it looks like they have produced
a nice car, and buying it would send a market signal to other car companies
and help propel us in the direction we want to go. No sense in cutting off
your nose to spite your face.

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