[EVDL] ?PD.lu purposely maintenance-drain Tesla-S pack every 20, 000km?
https://www.electrive.com/2019/06/27/police-not-charged/
Police not charged
Jun 27, 2019 Carrie Hampel
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Luxemburg Tesla police EV
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In Luxemburg, a Tesla police car ran out of battery power on a public
highway. Usually running out of fuel on a highway in the rather small and
very wealthy European country will incur a fine. But since there are
currently no regulations against empty batteries, the police got away with
an embarrassing moment.
The officers explained that they were trying to run down the battery to
service the vehicle – Electric cars must have their batteries run down every
20,000 kilometres in order to keep up the maintenance.
The incident, however, was paid some attention in the Luxemburg
parliamentary sitting. In response to a question submitted by Luxemburg’s
Pirate Party MP Sven Clement, the Minister for Mobility and Public Works,
Francois Bausch answered cooly that the police should in future carry out
their maitenance drives closer to service centres.
Still feeling empty? We’ve reported on two operations to help stranded
electric car drivers or car sharing operators, should their vehicles run out
of charge when out and about – In the UK motoring organisation the Royal
Automobile Association (RAC) can now help stranded EV drivers with a mobile
charging unit, and in Berlin, Chargery is riding out on electric bikes to
charge electric car-sharing vehicles in any location in the city to make
sure batteries are optimally charged when required.
Even so, the likelihood of running out of battery in the small country with
a total population of around half a million people has also diminished
somewhat since charging network operator Chargy set about expanding their
charging network in Luxemburg.
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ty-fawkes27.06.2019 um 16:33
Wow, I’ve been driving a EV since mid-2011. This is the first time I’ve
ever heard of ” Electric cars must have their batteries run down every
20,000 kilometres in order to keep up the maintenance.”. I have never (and
never would) run a battery flat. I have friends who’ve been driving Teslas
for years and they’ve never mentioned anything like this. Besides if you
were going to do such a crazy thing, wouldn’t it be prudent to plan ahead
and have a chase vehicle or some way to recover the vehicle on standby? This
is just stupid.] ... [© electrive.com]
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https://www.google.com/search?q=Luxembourg+police+Tesla
search Luxembourg police Tesla
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-luxembourg-tesla/luxembourg-police-deploy-tesla-cars-to-help-nab-criminals-idUSKBN1KA1I0
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[EVDL] EV charging time, Fueling time for Fuel Cells (was: Excellent article)
In reality, the only practical limit to the speed of EV charging is the size of the charger. Battery design and thermal management of the pack can keep up with any charger size. They are about to come out with 300 kW chargers. No joke. Fill you car up in a couple of minutes. Here is a paper on fueling time for fuel cells: https://www.osti.gov/pages/servlets/purl/1389635 What is important to note is that the H2 must be pre-cooled to -40 degrees to keep the vehicle tank temperature below 85 C (which is considered the maximum safe temperature for H2 in a composite tank.) This takes even more additional energy to refrigerate the H2 at the delivery point. This fast fill cooling energy is never accounted for in any energy efficiency models I've seen. I also should add that the required "leak check" time that is a necessary part of the fill process adds quite a bit to the total fueling cycle time, and is often neglected by advocates of H2 fuel cells. Bill D. On 6/28/2019 2:06 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: The author claims the only real advantage to fuel cells is the fueling time. And that was two years ago. It's even less of an advantage now and the trend is continuing. The only other argument I can see would be the efficiency of the overall system, including generating hydrogen. The generation part is the loser. As far as I know, there are only two ways to generate large amounts of hydrogen: electrolysis or breaking down hydrocarbon molecules. Electrolysis is about 50% efficient, I think. Hydrocarbon generally depends on natural gas, and I think we're going to see an enormous push back on fracking as more health and environmental issues manifest. Maybe Toyota got a lot of grant money from Calif. ? Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Dube via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Bill Dube" Sent: 26-Jun-19 6:43:27 PM Subject: [EVDL] Excellent article (was: Lets discourage hydrogen advocates. ) Very well researched article on H2 fuel cells versus EV's. The article expertly covers the "what" but doesn't mention the "why" of Toyota and H2. I really would like to know what motivates Toyota to keep pushing H2 passenger cars. Bill D. On 6/27/2019 9:57 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: https://electrek.co/2017/10/26/toyota-elon-musk-fuel-cell-hydrogen/ This was a story saying Toyota thought Elon Musk was right but they were going to make Fool cells anyway. Lawrence Rhodes ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Quirky Spark EV charging phantom discharging
I am interested in this Mark, because of the last portion regarding DC quick charging. I have not been able to get my 2016 Spark LT2 to charge on EVGO CCS chargers. I have tried them at 5 different locations and either get no response or when it seems to have started, get an error message from the EVSE telling me that charging was stopped by the car. I took it back to the dealership 3 times before I gave up on them. Chargepoint works, but there aren't any of them available where I drive, only EVGO, so I have been very limited on where I can travel. I think it is a software issue with the car, but the dealer basically made it my problem when they couldn't find the cause. Michael B On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 4:21 PM Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > Thanks Paul > That makes sense replacing the 12v battery as this appears to have gotten > worse over time. With old lead batteries (this has 5 years use mid old) the > DC DC converter tries to float charge the battery up to 14v but it won't go > above 13v so it just keeps pumping current in. I'll check if the battery > is hot, I think it should after sucking up 7Kwh in 24 hours. My Honda > Insight went goofy, blinky dash lights, sputtering engine and found out it > was the old 12v battery that I thought would never go bad because it > doesn't start anything or supply heavy loads. I'll let you know if that's > what it was. Thanks Lee for your help and on the goofy horn. Hope the > Chevy Bolt doesn't have similar problems. For some reason I couldn't > charge from the CCS fast charger, tried five chargers and all said both my > credit cards were bad so I went in the store and bought a cookie on one and > a coke on the other (health food). Just testing since fast chargers are > 28c per kWh so I just charge at home where > the energy is free from the sun. > Have a renewable energy day > Mark > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190627/2c012efd/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Quirky Spark EV charging phantom discharging
Thanks Paul That makes sense replacing the 12v battery as this appears to have gotten worse over time. With old lead batteries (this has 5 years use mid old) the DC DC converter tries to float charge the battery up to 14v but it won't go above 13v so it just keeps pumping current in. I'll check if the battery is hot, I think it should after sucking up 7Kwh in 24 hours. My Honda Insight went goofy, blinky dash lights, sputtering engine and found out it was the old 12v battery that I thought would never go bad because it doesn't start anything or supply heavy loads. I'll let you know if that's what it was. Thanks Lee for your help and on the goofy horn. Hope the Chevy Bolt doesn't have similar problems. For some reason I couldn't charge from the CCS fast charger, tried five chargers and all said both my credit cards were bad so I went in the store and bought a cookie on one and a coke on the other (health food). Just testing since fast chargers are 28c per kWh so I just charge at home where the energy is free from the sun. Have a renewable energy day Mark Sent from my iPhone ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Excellent article
paul dove via EV wrote: I don't believe that is true. I think it's just arrogance like when GM axed the EV1. Read the book The car that could to get a glimpse of the GM culture. Toyota has an enormous amount of clout in Japanese government, business and banking circles. Toyota pretty much gets what it wants from Japan's senior political figures. I second that notion. :-) It's not exactly arrogance. I'd say it's more like stubborness, conservatism, and corporate culture. Large corporations have an enormous amount of inertia and resistance to change. I've worked for large corporations, and seen this in action. Every single person in the room believes that "A" is the correct course of action; but they all agree to do "B" because it's what the corporation would want. No one will dare to stick his neck out and go against "the system". The Japanese political/industrial system exaggerates this even more. Look into the Fukushima disaster for an example of how this plays out. -- In software development, there are two kinds of error: Conceptual errors, implementation errors, and off-by-one errors. (anonymous) -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Quirky Spark Charging Pattern
Mark Hanson via EV wrote: My 2015 Spark (predicessor to Bolt) off peak charges to 100%. Then if I don't drive it for a day it drops to 80% showing 20% kWh used even though no one drove it. Is it running the air conditioner and heater or something just to waste some energy to put the battery down to 80% for Lithium longevity? Wish it was like my 13' Leaf where I just set 80%. Maybe their "state of charge" gauge is simply measuring battery voltage? If that were the case, the voltage right after charging is artificially high, and will fall as the "surface charge" dissipates. But the cells would still be fully charged. It's likely that there are also "vampire" loads on the pack that draw power all the time (such as the balancing loads across each cell, or maybe a DC/DC converter to provide 12v power for the various computers. But a good design would keep these loads very small. A seperate issue is the horn honks at odd times (like when following a bunch of Harley Hells Angels down the freeway). Or the last time in a police station. So I pulled the horn fuse and just put it in for annual vehicle inspections. Has someone bypassed the microprocessor that it goes through and can post how to wire direct? The wiring harness is really buried and the steering column is hard to take apart. The horn is hidden too. Maybe I'll just wire one of those old JC Whitney Aaoogah horns to a seperate button on the dash and bypass the buried wiring. That *is* an odd one! I have read of similar cases in my ham magazines. A radio transmitter is installed in a car, and when they transmit, it causes odd things to happen (windows to roll down, etc.) Maybe the police station had a high-power radio transmitter for communications, or there was a ham using his transmitter in the motorcycle pack? -- In software development, there are two kinds of error: Conceptual errors, implementation errors, and off-by-one errors. (anonymous) -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Quirky Spark Charging Pattern
How old is your 12v battery? If it is original then I would think of replacing it. All sorts of strange behaviors have been linked to a weak 12V battery in the Mitsubishi i-MiEV. Even to the extend of DC to DC converter/charger failures. It certainly affects the range indicator. You can google it on i-Miev forums. Spark may have similar issues. On Thursday, June 27, 2019, 7:48:22 AM CDT, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: Hi Folks My 2015 Spark (predicessor to Bolt) off peak charges to 100%. Then if I don't drive it for a day it drops to 80% showing 20% kWh used even though no one drove it. Is it running the air conditioner and heater or something just to waste some energy to put the battery down to 80% for Lithium longevity? Wish it was like my 13' Leaf where I just set 80%. A seperate issue is the horn honks at odd times (like when following a bunch of Harley Hells Angels down the freeway). Or the last time in a police station. So I pulled the horn fuse and just put it in for annual vehicle inspections. Has someone bypassed the microprocessor that it goes through and can post how to wire direct? The wiring harness is really buried and the steering column is hard to take apart. The horn is hidden too. Maybe I'll just wire one of those old JC Whitney Aaoogah horns to a seperate button on the dash and bypass the buried wiring. Have a renewable energy day Mark in Roanoke Va Reevadiy.org Sent from my iPhone ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190627/6f17fa54/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] never ending siege: ... discourage hydrogen advocates
On one hand I didn't want to continue this offt thread or be accused of going against the evdl member voted-on charter that h2 fcv is verboten. On the other hand, after reading the members' posts, I felt I had to post what I've seen since when h2 and fcvs were being touted as an alternative to an EV ... (so, ok here we go) On the threads responses, I disagree with Lee. Much like our society has become nose-blind of the antics of the leader.us, the public has become pollution-blind to all that the fossil fuel industry does that seriously harms mother-earth to the point of being irreparable damage until all humans are gone (like the way of the dinosaurs). The public are constantly bombarded by groups that do not believe in science, and but do believe in bringing back the profit$ of the ignorant past when an unregulated oil economy ruled.us Naysayers have reduced the warnings of permanent damage from fracking, the oil refineries' releases of petrol chemicals into the air, waters, and on our soils. All the talking-heads spew is CO2 ignorance. Much of the public just wants to tune-out that noise and look down at the hand-held internet devices (phones, tablets,+) like a mental-stress pacifier to distract them from dealing with the insanity of what is going on (ignorance is bliss attitudes). Lee's h2,fcv statement is an academic perspective, https://www.google.com/search?q=academic+vs+real+world not the real world (including all the realities of the pollution caused). If I were to say trillions of dollar$ were being made off of raising billions of puppies and kittens in squalid conditions just to be slaughtered, so that hydrogen could be only partially extracted, reformed from their ground up bodies, and what was left over was dumped into the air, water, but never spoken of when the media mentions h2 nor fcvs ... ?Would that get the attention that the profit taking energy companies extracting, reforming from h2 from fossil sources, kills all benefits when looking at the world academically? I agree with Bill Dube's post. Show me the total pollution, energy use, cost$, etc. (the real world big picture realities). The L1 charging devotees simple (kiss) approach (there is an outlet just about everywhere you go) surely supports the insanity Cor had pointed-out of wasting millions of tax payer money on h2 fueling stations fossil companies will profit from. Willie's post points out how EVangels need to also stay informed of anti-EV forces,activities, etc. So as to provide information that counters the misinformation profit-taking fossil companies spew. At EVents (like National Drive Electric Week coming up in September, where EVs gather worldwide to keep the public EV informed), when asked about h2, fcvs, I provide the public with the pros & cons, and ask them to decide for themselves. I find the public like to make up their own minds but have not been given the tools to compare. Peri's post of wonderment of how this will develop is not recognizing energy (fossil fuel) companies have been pushing h2, fcvs long before the CARB mandate https://www.google.com/search?q=CARB+mandate+beginnings 1967's CARB slowly built pressure on automakers and fuel companies, but during the 1990s is when it reached an all out war fever pitch. fcvs of all kinds were diluting the attention away from EVs. Everything from fcvs carrying a huge water tank the owner would drop tablets into to create h2, then rid themselves of the spent (toilet bowl cleaner) waste solution, repeat ... to fcvs operating off methanol (made cheaply from natural gas but could be made from coal and other fossil sources) ... to fcvs with onboard reformers to extract h2 from gasoline (no on mentioned the dumping of the gunk left over after the h2 was partially removed). When GM did an about-face to their stated commitment to EV production at a SoCal CARB workshop, (I was there hearing the GM rep say they were just going to give away golf carts to meet the zev mandate), much of the fcv fervor subsided. But but TMC has always wanted fcvs, pushing hard for hevs, fcvs, (basically anything that self destructs, which is why TMC does not like EVs - there is far more profit by selling expensively-priced replacement parts). The above is only a whiff of the bad smell the energy and automaker companies had/have made to sell anything but EVs. All people have to do is dig through the history (except much of those past records were whitewashed or removed with money from said companies). When I started proving EVnews way back (1990) the media was not using the internet. (paper) auto trades, magazines, newspapers were my sources. little by little, the media moved into moving away from paper, and into using the internet. Today, is a different world compared to way back then, what was stated on paper could not be whitewashed or erased later. Now, million$ are spent to control & disseminate a huge amount of disinformation on EVs, or the promotion of h2,
Re: [EVDL] Excellent article (was: Lets discourage hydrogen advocates. )
The author claims the only real advantage to fuel cells is the fueling time. And that was two years ago. It's even less of an advantage now and the trend is continuing. The only other argument I can see would be the efficiency of the overall system, including generating hydrogen. The generation part is the loser. As far as I know, there are only two ways to generate large amounts of hydrogen: electrolysis or breaking down hydrocarbon molecules. Electrolysis is about 50% efficient, I think. Hydrocarbon generally depends on natural gas, and I think we're going to see an enormous push back on fracking as more health and environmental issues manifest. Maybe Toyota got a lot of grant money from Calif. ? Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Dube via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Bill Dube" Sent: 26-Jun-19 6:43:27 PM Subject: [EVDL] Excellent article (was: Lets discourage hydrogen advocates. ) Very well researched article on H2 fuel cells versus EV's. The article expertly covers the "what" but doesn't mention the "why" of Toyota and H2. I really would like to know what motivates Toyota to keep pushing H2 passenger cars. Bill D. On 6/27/2019 9:57 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: https://electrek.co/2017/10/26/toyota-elon-musk-fuel-cell-hydrogen/ This was a story saying Toyota thought Elon Musk was right but they were going to make Fool cells anyway. Lawrence Rhodes ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Excellent article
I don't believe that is true. I think it's just arrogance like when GM axed the EV1. Read the book The car that could to get a glimpse of the GM culture. Toyota has an enormous amount of clout in Japanese government, business and banking circles. Toyota pretty much gets what it wants from Japan's senior political figures. On Thursday, June 27, 2019, 7:54:38 AM CDT, Paul Wujek via EV wrote: On 2019-06-26 9:43 p.m., Bill Dube via EV wrote: > I really would like to know what motivates Toyota to keep pushing H2 > passenger > cars. I have always suspected that the Toyota H2 push is because of interference from the Japanese government and oil companies who likely hold a lot of sway in how Toyota operates. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190627/98ec7e5f/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] 2017 EVLN item: Excellent article (was: Lets discourage hydrogen advocates. )
I posted this back in 2017:
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Toyota admits 'Elon Musk is right'> that fcvs are incredibly dumb
https://electrek.co/2017/10/26/toyota-elon-musk-fuel-cell-hydrogen/ Toyota
admits ‘Elon Musk is right’ about fuel cell, but moves forward with hydrogen
anyway ...
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[EVDL] BEV buses to operate in Seattle area
Excerpts from: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/transportation/coming-to-south-king-county-battery-powered-buses-and-a-big-new-base/ Coming to South King County: battery-powered buses and a big new base King County Metro Transit says it will increase its fleet by 625 battery-powered electric buses over the next 20 years and house them in Tukwila and a new base in the Green River Valley. The plan represents an ambitious effort by the nation’s sixth-biggest public bus agency to reduce fossil fuels, following Metro’s renewal of its 174-coach Seattle wire-powered trolley-bus fleet in 2015, and its early adoption of diesel-hybrid buses in 2007. Diane Carlson, capital-projects director, announced Wednesday that testing is underway to confirm battery buses can travel 140 miles Metro has been operating 11 Proterra quick-charge buses, costing about $975,000 each, that repower at Eastgate to circulate on Bellevue routes. Meanwhile, Washington state will gradually apply its $112 million share of the Volkswagen emissions-fraud settlement to help local agencies buy cleaner vehicles. That includes 50 electric transit buses in six counties to date, the Ecology Department said. Buses from New Flyer, Proterra and BYD will be tested this year, followed by initial orders, spokesman Jeff Switzer said. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190627/e93e9206/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Excellent article
On 2019-06-26 9:43 p.m., Bill Dube via EV wrote: I really would like to know what motivates Toyota to keep pushing H2 passenger cars. I have always suspected that the Toyota H2 push is because of interference from the Japanese government and oil companies who likely hold a lot of sway in how Toyota operates. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Excellent article (was: Lets discourage hydrogen advocates. )
Very well researched article on H2 fuel cells versus EV's. The article expertly covers the "what" but doesn't mention the "why" of Toyota and H2. I really would like to know what motivates Toyota to keep pushing H2 passenger cars. Bill D. On 6/27/2019 9:57 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: https://electrek.co/2017/10/26/toyota-elon-musk-fuel-cell-hydrogen/ This was a story saying Toyota thought Elon Musk was right but they were going to make Fool cells anyway. Lawrence Rhodes ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Quirky Spark Charging Pattern
Hi Folks My 2015 Spark (predicessor to Bolt) off peak charges to 100%. Then if I don't drive it for a day it drops to 80% showing 20% kWh used even though no one drove it. Is it running the air conditioner and heater or something just to waste some energy to put the battery down to 80% for Lithium longevity? Wish it was like my 13' Leaf where I just set 80%. A seperate issue is the horn honks at odd times (like when following a bunch of Harley Hells Angels down the freeway). Or the last time in a police station. So I pulled the horn fuse and just put it in for annual vehicle inspections. Has someone bypassed the microprocessor that it goes through and can post how to wire direct? The wiring harness is really buried and the steering column is hard to take apart. The horn is hidden too. Maybe I'll just wire one of those old JC Whitney Aaoogah horns to a seperate button on the dash and bypass the buried wiring. Have a renewable energy day Mark in Roanoke Va Reevadiy.org Sent from my iPhone ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Lets discourage hydrogen advocates.
On 6/26/19 8:46 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: I'm curious, Willie, when meeting one-on-one with people, did you ever have the chance to breach the question of where the hydrogen comes from ? Some people, once engaged in a question, will at least listen. I came upon the situation unexpectedly. I was unprepared to make effective arguments. Indeed, I was not fully up to speed on the hydrogen scam. So, no, I was generally ineffective. Doing a little googling... Perhaps what I encountered was part of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Eco-marathon which seems rather innocuous. Perhaps the school could have chosen the BEV category as easily as the Fool Cell. OTOH, it seems odd that Fool Cell would be given equal footing with ICE and BEV. At the time I encountered, I had no idea that efficiency was the relevant parameter. It seems this competition would be a good source of information on relative operating costs between ICE, BEV, Fool Cell. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] VOA sez Eaton using 2nd life EV packs2 Power Football Stadiums.nl
https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/old-electric-car-batteries-used-to-power-football-stadiums/4973018.html Old Electric Car Batteries Used to Power Football Stadiums 20190626 Bryan Lynn [images https://gdb.voanews.com/4055CEEA-A3B7-441A-BB52-35EB02E4C6BD_w1023_r1_s.jpg This image from video shows Johan Cruyff Arena in Amsterdam, where Eaton has set up an electricity storage system that helps power the facility. (YouTube/Eaton) https://gdb.voanews.com/F74AA319-9F5B-4B39-B9C2-7BC4905C0943_cx2_cy7_cw99_w1597_n_r1_st.jpg Nissan LEAF is displayed during the media preview of the Chicago Auto Show at McCormick Place, Thursday, Feb. 7, 2019, in Chicago. (AP photo/Nam Y. Huh) https://gdb.voanews.com/3CA1ABE5-3B33-4B2B-8646-54E0934FA57A_w1597_n_r1_st.jpg This image captured from video demonstrates part of Eaton's electricity storage system that helps power Johan Cruyff Arena in Amsterdam. (YouTube/Eaton) https://gdb.voanews.com/C527E5D2-EF9F-4DD6-8376-6652FB85B04B_w1597_n_r1_st.jpg This image from video demonstrates Eaton's electricity storage system that helps power Johan Cruyff Arena in Amsterdam. (YouTube/Eaton) audio https://av.voanews.com/clips/VLE/2019/06/25/f92f96c9-29c5-4edc-a9f0-21e2bf7a397c.mp3 Old Electric Car Batteries Used to Power Football Stadiums by VOA (% slow-speaking is for over short-wave VOA broadcasts and/or English-Learning listeners %) ] Electric vehicles currently make up a small percentage of overall car sales worldwide. But 2018 saw a big jump in international sales. And the market is expected to grow quickly in coming years. JATO Dynamics researches cars and other vehicles. The company reported electric car sales rose by 74 percent in 2018. More than a million and a quarter electric cars were sold. Put another way, the company said electric car sales represented about 1.5 percent of total vehicle sales around the world. Each of these electric vehicles will require a battery to power it – sometimes more than one. Electric car batteries become less effective over time and need to be replaced. Currently, most major auto manufacturers guarantee good battery performance for only about eight years. So, one American company has found an unusual way to reuse the batteries that electric vehicles are no longer using. The company, called Eaton, is a large supplier of truck parts and industrial products to businesses all over the world. Eaton is also an energy storage company. It takes aging batteries – which it calls “second-life batteries” - from Nissan’s electric Leaf vehicles. The company then reuses them with its xStorage product, which stores power in buildings. An official with Eaton recently told Reuters news agency the company is now in talks with several European football teams. They are discussing using electric batteries to help power their stadiums. Eaton has already equipped a major stadium in the Netherlands with such a system. The project was completed at Johan Cruyff Arena in Amsterdam. The stadium holds about 54,000 people and is home to the country’s Ajax football team, one of Europe’s best known. It also holds large concerts and other major events. The company also recently completed an energy storage system at Norway’s Bislett stadium in Oslo. This stadium is partly powered by solar energy. “The football stadium community is interested," Eaton vice president Craig McDonnell told Reuters. "From significant ones, (we are talking) with five to six stadiums in Europe,” he said. Eaton said its xStorage solution costs 20 percent less than a new battery. The storage system at Johan Cruyff Arena can produce a total of 3 megawatts. The company says that is enough to power several thousand homes. The system stores power gathered from 4,200 solar collectors on top of the stadium, Eaton says. The system is designed to provide back-up power to reduce the need for diesel generators, which produce pollution. It also boosts the energy system during times of high energy usage, such as during concerts. Eaton says the storage system results in a more sustainable energy method, while also creating “a circular economy for electric vehicle batteries.” Eaton is one of several major companies attempting to develop large markets for old electric vehicle batteries. Another is German automaker BMW. It has supplied used batteries from its i3 electric vehicles to store electricity produced by wind farms. Eaton says it expects the used battery market to grow up to 20 times by 2022. In Europe, the Middle East and Africa, it estimates the possible market value could reach $2.3 billion by 2025. I’m Bryan Lynn. Bryan Lynn wrote this story for VOA Learning English, based on a report from Reuters and information from Eaton. Kelly Jean Kelly was the editor. Words in This Story battery– n. device that produces and can store electricity stadium – n. a large, open area with seats around it where sports games and other events take place significant – adj. important or noticeable
