Re: [EVDL] Hyundai Ioniq 5 N & Fast EV's

[Rush via EV]

EV List Lackey  wrote - 
> Here in France, we're at 127,000+ charging points on about 5.6% of the US's 
> land area. Only 
> about 18% of those are fast DC, but that's most of what's being built now.  

I guess that's because everything is so crowded in France, so they only need to 
travel 5.6% of the distance we have to travel in the US. 

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[EVDL] Wired article - Teslas Can Still Be Stolen With a Cheap Radio Hack

[Rush via EV]

https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-ultra-wideband-radio-relay-attacks/?  

 

Wired Mag has an article about how to steal a Tesla, even the new refreshed
models- 

 

Teslas Can Still Be Stolen With a Cheap Radio Hack-Despite New Keyless Tech

Ultra-wideband radio has been heralded as the solution for "relay attacks"
that are used to steal cars in seconds. But researchers found Teslas
equipped with it are as vulnerable as ever.

 

 

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[EVDL] Evil Automonous EV's

[Rush via EV]

Here all youse self-driving EV haters go . check out Netflix's new movie
'Upgrade'. It has a computer chip controlling a quadriplegic and makes these
newfangled self driving cars do evil things and drive where they shouldn't
and speed backwards down freeways to create an accident and do other evil
things all because the quadriplegic had a hacker 'remove input guards' on
the computer chip.

 

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Re: [EVDL] 46 Pure EVs for sale, Teslas competition.

[Rush via EV]

I'm always amazed at how often and vehemently people express their dislike or 
voice negative opinions about Tesla/Musk on this list, while very little is 
said about the other EV manufactures. But I guess that is just because Tesla 
has been the main reason why EV's are so popular and relevant to today's and 
tomorrow's economy and sustainability. Are they not aware of the popularity and 
sheer numbers of Tesla's when compared to Ford's or Renault's or BYD's or 
Rivian's, etc EV's that we all see on our daily trips. I know that here in 
Tucson I see at least one Tesla, sometimes 3, at every stop light.

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV

-Original Message-
From: EV  On Behalf Of Ron Solberg via EV
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 5:58 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
Cc: Ron Solberg 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 46 Pure EVs for sale, Teslas competition.

t seems that since 2017, Tesla has gone into reverse on their original master 
plan.

So let China take the lead/heat for pushing out ICE cars. In five or ten years 
the ICE folks can adjust/catch up. No bailout needed. The pressure on Musk is 
reduced and Optimus can go to Mars and or drive Robotaxis, a win-win except for 
the carbon problem.

Ron Solberg

> On May 14, 2024, at 7:22 PM, EV List Lackey via EV  wrote:
> 
> On 14 May 2024 at 10:35, Rush via EV wrote:
> 
>> I think that anybody having any knowledge of how a business is 
>> conducted would say that 'yes, profit is a good thing'.
> 
> Let's restore the context:
> 
>> AND still make a hefty profit on each car
> 
> As I understood it, and someone correct me if this is wrong, the 
> original Tesla "master plan" was to get to mass market EVs.  They'd 
> start with building luxury EVs for rich people, and use the presumably 
> *hefty* profits from that venture to design and build EVs for the rest of us.
> 
> That plan was written a long time ago - maybe 2008?  Again, someone 
> please help me out here.
> 
> The Model 3 was introduced 7 years ago, in 2017.  That was real 
> progress toward affordable EVs, 9 years on from the master plan's 
> inception.  Not bad.
> 
> Is that master plan still their guide?  If so, what progress have they 
> made on it since?
> 
> Not the Model Y (2020).  It's more expensive.
> 
> I'm pretty sure it's not the Cybertruck (2023), either.
> 
> It seems that since 2017, Tesla has gone into reverse on their 
> original master plan.
> 
> Their recent investor call suggested pretty strongly that they're 
> going to start using their EV profits less to develop EVs, and more to 
> develop AI, autonomy software, and robotaxis.
> 
> Their recent layoffs seem to confirm that direction.
> 
> What do you think of this?
> 
> Is it a good thing?
> 
> Is it likely to be permanent, or is it just another Elon Musk 
> shot-from-the- hip that he'll change next month or next year?
> 
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Re: [EVDL] 46 Pure EVs for sale, Teslas competition.

[Rush via EV]

EV List Lackey 
Wrote -

> You say that like it's a good thing.  Is it?  Why or why not?

Odd question in my opinion, sounds like either David really wants an answer
and has no idea if profit is necessary for a business, or he is just
baiting.

I think that anybody having any knowledge of how a business is conducted
would say that 'yes, profit is a good thing'.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments

[Rush via EV]

I highly recommend that everybody see Munro's new utube video entitled
'Sandy's take on the Tesla Layoffs!'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl4VjvZu5os

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments

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-Original Message-
> EV List Lackey wrote -
> If I'm right about that, it could be in part because autopilot is
restricted by law here.  

Speaking of French road laws, does that stupid priorité à droite still
exist? It was so much fun to go as fast as possible into L'Etoile and make
all the drivers on the left stop because I had priorité... until there was
another driver on the right!

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[EVDL] Tesla as a business

[Rush via EV]

I own some Tesla Stock and so follow what the business world says about Tesla.
I'm not at all interested in a pi**ing contest to see who is more adept at
presenting facts/comments about an EV or leadership of an EV company, but in the
interests of a balanced view I've gathered some comments from my news feeds :

 

- Tesla has an unmatched autonomous driving technology. It is expected to start
aggressive global expansion by the end of 2024, which will disrupt the whole
automotive industry.

- Tesla's FSD technology could potentially be licensed to local automotive
manufacturers, further solidifying its position in the autonomous driving
market.

- Tesla, Inc.'s stock has underperformed the market over the last quarter, but
investors should understand that it is a long-term play characterized by
substantial short-term volatility.

- While new ventures and investments in innovation are inherently risky, Tesla's
$27 billion cash pile, together with almost no debt [compared to the company's
market cap], suggests that the company likely has sufficient financial resources
to fuel its ambitious plans to ramp up and maintain a firm commitment to
innovation.

- My bullish view on Tesla is driven by its brilliant pricing strategy, its
clear category vision, and the launch of the Model 2, code-named Redwood. I
anticipate the Model 2 will be a simplified version of Tesla's Model 3, priced
around $30,000. In the current car market, with an average new car in the U.S.
selling at $48,000, this price tag is competitive to challenge most internal
combustion engine (ICE) and hybrid vehicles. I expect it will also significantly
accelerate the mass adoption of electric vehicles ((EVs)).

 

So while some EV proponents take Musk's politics personally, the business world
sees Tesla as an opportunity, both financially and as a boon to EV's
domestically and world wide.

 

Best regards,

 

Rush Dougherty

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[EVDL] Conversion info

[Rush via EV]

https://www.diyelectriccar.com/

 

Here's a link to the DIY EV conversion forum, lots of good info for converting.

 

Best regards,

 

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[EVDL] Supercharger turnaround.

[Rush via EV]

Wired magazine has an article about the recent Tesla Supercharger news -
Questions Swirl Around Tesla's Superchargers, the Race Is On to Fill the Power
Gap 

https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-supercharger-pullback-filling-the-power-gap
 

But you probably won't be able to read it since I have a subscription to Wired
(or the glorious  EVDL mailer program will strip out the URL)

 

Industry players said that while Tesla's move was very unexpected, it could
signal that the automaker believes other charging firms have caught up to it and
are ready to take on the responsibility-and the capital costs-of building out
the network that will make electric cars go.

 

Competitors said the abrupt shift might even be an opportunity. In a statement,
Sara Rafalson, the executive vice president of policy and external affairs at
the charging company EVgo, said her company would soon begin to build Tesla
plugs onto its chargers. "We welcome the opportunity to serve more Tesla
vehicles and remain steadfast in our commitment to serve all electric vehicle
models," she said.

 

Maybe what's happening here is that Tesla realizes that since their
Superchargers/MAX connectors have 'conquered' the EV charging industry, they
have concentrated their efforts  and further committed to only building EV's.

 

And once again Tesla will oblige a bunch of 'critics' to get new hats. 

 

Best regards,

 

Rush Dougherty

TucsonEV

1014 E King St

Tucson AZ 85719

520 240 7493

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments

[Rush via EV]

David -

Your prejudice against Tesla is so evident and overwhelming. I think that it is
actually very counterproductive to the EV world. It seems to me that you're
engaging in partisan politics, and that by continuously denigrating Tesla and
Elon Musk at every turn you are promoting hatred which as I understand is
against the EVDL List Conventions.

You are the moderator of this list and as such should sent an example for the
rest of us. I think that a little moderation on your part is called for.

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV


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> From: EV  On Behalf Of EV List Lackey via EV
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 4:55 PM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: EV List Lackey 
> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments
>
> Tesla has dismissed 3 entire teams:
>
> - Vehicle and new product development
>
> - EV charging
>
> - Public policy
>
> Tesla had ONE bad quarter.  Boom, they've laid off "at least" 10% of the
workforce
> (I've read that it's really closer to 20%).  They've also dumped 3 major
> development teams and their directors.
>
> The importance of the first two seems pretty obvious.
>
> As I read it, the public policy folks would be the ones to negotiate with
> governments for clearance to deploy those "robotaxis" that Tesla seems to have
> bet their future on.
>
> This after one bad quarter.  It seems a little rash to me, but what do I know?
>
> In more detail:
>
> 1. Tesla has dismissed Daniel Ho, director of vehicle programs and new product
> introduction; and laid off his entire team.  Ho had been with Tesla since
2013.
>
> 2. They fired senior director of EV charging Rebecca Tinucci and laid off her
entire
> team.  Tinucci was hired in 2018.
>
> 3. Rohan Patel, vice president of public policy and business development,
resigned
> earlier this month.  Now Tesla has laid off the entire public policy team.
>
> Musk, in an email: "Hopefully these actions are making it clear that we need
to be
> absolutely hardcore about headcount and cost reduction. While some on exec
staff
> are taking this seriously, most are not yet doing so."
>
> Presumably (one hopes?) these functions will be taken over by some of Tesla's
> other "hardcore" (overworked) employees.  Sure glad I'm not one of them.
>
> More info:
>
> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/04/tesla-to-lay-off-everyone-working-on-
> superchargers-new-vehicles/
>
> or https://v.gd/lrDabh
>
> https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/teslas-musk-trims-
> senior-management-amid-more-layoffs-information-reports-2024-04-30/
>
> or https://v.gd/YQoopg
>
> This article seems to suggest that with NACS becoming an industry standard,
Tesla
> doesn't really need to participate any more:
>
> https://www.designnews.com/automotive-engineering/tesla-supercharger-layoffs-
> throw-industry-nacs-shift-into-turmoil
>
> or https://cntp.me/gPhNuPw
>
> -
>
> PS - Apart from the literal-more-than-decimation of Tesla's staff, this makes
5 top
> brass who've left lately.  Some of them had fairly long tenure.
>
> In addition to the 3 above, their longtime vice president of investor
relations,
> Martin Viecha, resigned recently.  And earlier this month, Senior Vice
President
> Drew Baglino left.  Baglino was in charge of engineering batteries and motors.
> He'd been with Tesla for 18 years.
>
> Not exactly a rush for the exits, but still ... concerning.
>
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Re: [EVDL] Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.

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I don't think there is anything in what was quoted about doing the thumb drive
thing while driving... and besides what makes you think that the car only goes
70 mph? It actually has to start at 0 mph and progress up to whatever speed you
feel comfortable with.

In my M3 refresh, I removed the thumb drive that was already in the USB port in
the glove compartment, added another partition "Music", reinserted it and in the
infotainment screen a new icon shaped like a USB thumb drive showed up and now I
have all my favorite (and some unfavorite) music that I can play whenever I want
to.

Very easy to do. Just as simple as emergency gas on the first car I owned, a
Karmen Ghia. It didn't even have a gas gauge, when I ran out of gas, I just used
my foot to turn a lever on the firewall and had another 20 miles or so. But like
all things that are new, you have to know how to do it.

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
1014 E King St
Tucson AZ 85719
520 240 7493
www.TucsonEV.com




> -Original Message-
> From: EV  On Behalf Of EV List Lackey via EV
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 1:31 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
> Cc: EV List Lackey 
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.
>
> On 22 Apr 2024 at 19:22, Luke Scharf via EV wrote:
>
> > A high quality antenna and FM receiver might make it better.
>
> Or, you know, a factory radio that you can actually count on to pick up radio
> stations consistently.  Even my dad's '56 Chevy had one.  :-\
>
> On 21 Apr 2024 at 22:14, Mark Hanson via EV wrote:
>
> > I tried to play a USB flash drive mp3 music in the 4 usc small ports
> > with adapter and no icons showed up.  Asking the great god google -
> > recommended to use the USB port inside the glove box that after poking
> > and hoping (got a light show and then fart mode working ), then it
> > started playing music after asking for a media upgrade (which I
> > ignored).  If I can get it working and playing music consistently,
> > won´t it inhibit sentry mode or camera data storage mode incase if an
> > accident that uses the flash drive inside the glovebox?  The Bluetooth
> > mp3 player works most of the time but has a complicated boot up
> > procedure.
>
> That seems needlessly complex. Can you do that safely while driving?  Do you
trust
> Tesla's driving assistance enough to go poking round in the glove box at
70mph?
>
> For comparison, I took a thumb drive out to the garage, turned on the Zoe's
radio,
> and plugged the drive into one of the USB slots in plain sight, right under
the HVAC
> knobs.  I hit the "Sources" button on the audio screen, and there it was.  Hit
the
> USB button and the music played.
>
> It was quite intuitive.
>
> But that's one of the things I like about the Zoe.  It drives like a normal
car, with
> normal controls in normal places.
>
> Also, it doesn't make adolescent-boy fart noises.
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Re: [EVDL] Adding a FM radio to a Tesla

[Rush via EV]

Now, now, EV list lackey, calm down... just because it is recommended, it
doesn't mean that the sky will fall on your head if you don't do it.

My first M3 was bought in 2019 (I just traded it in for the refresh model
because the FSD would transfer, a good deal if you ask me) and in those almost 5
years I've done a reboot maybe 3 times

And I take issue with your blanket statement 'I can't imagine that the Zoe is
any less computerized than a Tesla'. That, to me, just sounds like someone
that's saying anything to put down Tesla's.

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
www.TucsonEV.com




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> From: EV  On Behalf Of EV List Lackey via EV
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 3:41 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
> Cc: EV List Lackey 
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Adding a FM radio to a Tesla
>
> On 17 Apr 2024 at 10:27, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
>
> > It's normal to need to do the first simple 5 second reboot on Teslas
> > every few weeks.  Doesn't hurt anything and can make a sluggish UI
> > fast again.
>
> That's considered NORMAL?  Seriously?
>
> Insanity.  You can't expect drivers to reboot their cars "ever;y few weeks."
>  I can just imagine how my low-tech other half, Margaret, would react if she
had
> to do that.
>
> But she's never had any such problem.  We've owned our Renault Zoe EV for over
> 4 years and have never had to reboot anything.  It just works.  And so does
its
> radio.
>
> I can't imagine that the Zoe is any less computerized than a Tesla.  I suspect
that
> the Zoe's firmware is just more thoroughly debugged.  Renault has a long
history -
> they're 136 years old - and a hard-earned reputation to protect.
>
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Re: [EVDL] OT Solar Electrical Issues (was: Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array)

[Rush via EV]

Lee wrote -   I have many, holding down the basement floor

How novel, so I if you ever want to move your house all you have to do is 
remove 
the transformers?

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
www.TucsonEV.com




> -Original Message-
> From: EV  On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 12:42 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
> Cc: Lee Hart 
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT Solar Electrical Issues (was: Adding a 14/50 EV 
> courtesy
> outlet to a solar array)
>
> Cor van de Water wrote:
> > my garage has a GFCI circuit. As a consequence, I cannot use my garage
> > to do any development work, because as soon as I plug in one of my HP
> > power supplies, even before I turn it on, the heavy capacitive
> > filtering on the AC line will trip the GFCI because it indeed creates
> > a current to ground.
>
> The easy answer is a big isolation transformer. I have some big 1KW ones that 
> I
> use. (If anyone needs one, I have many, holding down the basement floor).
>
> > If I am not mistaken, the NEC has a class of GFCI (and I used to have
> > a breaker) that trips at 50mA, I believe there is even a 500mA limit.
>
> The original idea for a GFCI was safety; to keep people from being 
> electrocuted
> (i.e. junior sticks a fork in the toaster with one hand to get his bread out, 
> while the
> other hand is resting on the grounded sink. The 5mA limit was chosen as the
> maximum current that a normal healthy person would survive, since they can let
> go and jump away from the source of the shock. In medical settings, an even 
> lower
> limit of 0.5mA was required, on the basis that hospital patients may well not 
> be
> able to remove themselves from the source of the shock.
>
> But these limits proved to be hard to design for. So manufacturers have 
> lobbied 
> for
> higher limits of 50mA. That's more than enough to kill a person. Yet the last 
> I
> knew, our EVs are being designed to allow up to 50mA of ground leakage before
> their GFCI trips.
>
> 500mA for a GFCI limit? Gah! That would not only kill someone, but *cook* them
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> If I am not mistaken, the NEC has a class of GFCI (and I used to have a 
> breaker)
> that trips at 50mA, I believe there is even a 500mA limit.
> This is only used in industrial settings where a lower limit will indeed trip
> guaranteed.
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 10:50?AM (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
> >
> > Keep in mind that excepting North America, only (part of) Japan uses a
> > lower voltage. In the US (residential) system, no conductor is ever
> > over about 160v peak-to-peak with respect to ground, whereas in NZ/EU
> > you are getting over 300v P-P, which is arguably 4 times more lethal.
> > I'd definitely want everything protected by GFCI/RCD if I had those
> > voltages everywhere.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 10:25?AM EV List Lackey via EV
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 10 Mar 2024 at 23:41, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
> > >
> > > > Based on what I know, [the US NEC is] one of the most rigorous
> > > > codes in the world.
> > >
> > > Agreed. I've seen some ... interesting ... wiring practices
> > > elsewhere, including Spain, Italy, France, Canary Islands, Puerto
> > > Rico, and South Korea.
> > >
> > > Some of them look like old USA practices. Example: junction boxes
> > > aren't usually used for surface mounted luminaires in France. The
> > > cable or smurf tubing emerges from the ceiling or wall.
> > >
> > > I've seen single conductors run through ceramic cleats on the
> > > ceiling surface in South Korea, similar to early 20th century US
> > > wiring. It appeared to be a recent installation.
> > >
> > > Service capacities are also lower. A typical western EU service will
> > > be 6kW or 12kW, a size the US hasn't seen in probably 70 years.
> > > Spain has a lot of 3kW services. I'm sure that that's a problem for
> > > EV home charging there.
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> > > On the other hand, as Bill says about NZ, in most (all?) western EU
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: How to get a free Tesla

[Rush via EV]

Sounds like the person who wrote the article didn't do his/her homework... and
that David doesn't know some of Tesla's security enhancements.

Whenever a new driver is added to the Tesla app and is given potential control
of the car, in this case the 'thief', the app lists the new driver, in this case
the 'thief', the new driver, in this case the 'thief' will show up in the
'Security & Drivers' part of the app and the owner of the car will also receive
a notification that there is a new driver, in this case the 'thief'. So
hopefully the owner will be smart enough to realize that he is being conned and
will delete the new driver, in this case the 'thief', and change his password to
the account.

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
www.TucsonEV.com




> -Original Message-
> From: EV  On Behalf Of EV List Lackey via EV
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2024 12:57 PM
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: EV List Lackey 
> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: How to get a free Tesla
>
> The subject line is a bit frivilous, but actually I guess that this is
potentially serious.
>
> -
>
> "Security researchers report they uncovered a design flaw that let them hijack
a
> Tesla using a Flipper Zero, a controversial $169 hacking tool ...
>
> "Using a Flipper, the researchers set up a WiFi network called 'Tesla Guest,'
the
> name Tesla uses for its guest networks at service centers ...
>
> "[The thief] could broadcast the network near a charging station, where a
bored
> driver might be looking for entertainment. The victim connects to the WiFi
> network and enters their username and password on the fake Tesla website. The
> [thief] then uses the credentials to log in to the real Tesla app, which
triggers a
> two-factor authentication code. The victim enters that code into the fake
website,
> and the thief gains access to their account.
> Once you´re logged into the Tesla app, you can set up a "phone key" which lets
you
> unlock and control the car over Bluetooth with a smartphone. From there, the
car
> is yours."
>
> Yikes.
>
> Full story:
>
> https://jalopnik.com/want-to-steal-a-tesla-try-using-a-flipper-zero-
> 1851316625
>
> Or https://v.gd/FPzvOL
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The EV Pipeline to Eastern Europe

[Rush via EV]

I asked him just that and his reply was ‘I asked my dad to locate you’. It 
turned out his dad was a diplomat to Canada.

 

Best regards,

 

Rush Dougherty

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From: (-Phil-)  
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2024 10:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The EV Pipeline to Eastern Europe

 

How did he find you?  That's some good sleuthing!

 

On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 9:23 AM Rush via EV mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote:

FYI - I got my first Tesla, Standard, in July of 2019, drove it for a couple
months before it got hit on driver's side and was totaled (got such a great Ins
deal that I bought a Standard+). A couple months later got an email from someone
in Jordan asking if I had the key card since they couldn't start the car without
it. He said that he bought it at an auction for $18,000, had it shipped to
Jordan, had all the damaged parts replaced but couldn't start the car without
the key card. So I rummaged around, found it, and sent it to a Canadian Embassy
PO Box. He emailed me later saying it was working and thanking me.

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
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>
> On 5 Mar 2024 at 1:19, paul dove via EV wrote:
>
> > I donTMt think itTMs fear. ItTMs resale. Used EVs are cheap here so no
> > reason to buy a wrecked one.
>
> You might want to follow the link and read the original article again.  I may
be
> mistaken, but I think that you've missed one of its main points.
>
> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/11/the-reincarnation-of-totalled-teslas-in-
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The EV Pipeline to Eastern Europe

[Rush via EV]

FYI - I got my first Tesla, Standard, in July of 2019, drove it for a couple
months before it got hit on driver's side and was totaled (got such a great Ins
deal that I bought a Standard+). A couple months later got an email from someone
in Jordan asking if I had the key card since they couldn't start the car without
it. He said that he bought it at an auction for $18,000, had it shipped to
Jordan, had all the damaged parts replaced but couldn't start the car without
the key card. So I rummaged around, found it, and sent it to a Canadian Embassy
PO Box. He emailed me later saying it was working and thanking me.

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
www.TucsonEV.com




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> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2024 5:50 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
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> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The EV Pipeline to Eastern Europe
>
> On 5 Mar 2024 at 1:19, paul dove via EV wrote:
>
> > I donTMt think itTMs fear. ItTMs resale. Used EVs are cheap here so no
> > reason to buy a wrecked one.
>
> You might want to follow the link and read the original article again.  I may
be
> mistaken, but I think that you've missed one of its main points.
>
> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/11/the-reincarnation-of-totalled-teslas-in-
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Re: [EVDL] Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas

[Rush via EV]

Mark specifically said software, but if the orig poster meant Hardware, and 
that 
Tesla should sell models without the hardware for FSD, Enhanced Autopilot, Seat 
heating, Premium connectivity, etc, then I would think that would make the cars 
much more expensive. For example, instead of having one steering system that 
would 
accommodate all the Tesla variations and needs only to be OTA software updated 
to 
upgrade from one level to another, you'd have several distinctly different 
system. 
So you'd have different softwires, different hardwires, increased shipping and 
stocking cost, increased production costs for different builds etc. Sort of 
defeating the point of an affordable car.

I sort of think that my Tesla is like a swiss army knife, and we all know how 
popular they and their off shoots have become. I don't need the scissors until 
I 
need to cut something, so I just unfold them, use them and put them away when I 
don't need them, just like I do with the other blades. And the same is true 
with a 
Tesla, when I need the FSD, I pull down on the steering wheel lever, use it, 
otherwise is  invisible and not in any way a problem. If I want to use the map 
features of the center console, I just tap an icon and there it is, true I have 
to 
pay an extra $10 or so a month, but along with all the other enhances I get, it 
is 
well worth it.

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
www.TucsonEV.com


> -Original Message-
> From: EV  On Behalf Of (-Phil-) via EV
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2024 3:22 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
> Cc: (-Phil-) 
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas
>
> He means not including the hardware.   All cars get the same hardware.
> They can't do this because the other driver assistance features (Automatic
> Emergency Braking, etc), are delivered by the same Autopilot ECU.  (Tesla
> calls the APE)   Also included is the GPS receiver used for navigation, and
> the rear camera used for the (now required) RV camera function.
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 11:04?AM John Blair via EV 
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> >
> > > On Jan 13, 2024, at 10:29 AM, Mark E. Hanson via EV
> > > 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > It would also be nice if Tesla made a non-self driving "Autopilot"
> > > less
> > car
> > > - and sell for less $$.
> >
> > As far as I know, all of the Tesla's are available without the Full
> > Self Driving and Autopilot software.  Since you have to pay extra for
> > those features, they are cheaper.  Maybe you meant something different?
> >
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Re: [EVDL] Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas, for gas cars | Reuters

[Rush via EV]

> -Original Message-
> From: EV  On Behalf Of Haudy Kazemi via EV
> Single pedal cannot give you maximum stopping force, unless it is configured
to
> apply max force upon release. That doesn't seem like a good idea for a smooth
> driving experience. I don't see the brake pedal disappearing.

When I drive my Model 3, I rarely use the brake pedal, sometimes not even once a
trip and I do 3-5 trips a day about 5 miles each. For my last trip today, which
was 7.8 miles, I used 4% of my battery, Range used was 6.1 miles - meaning I
regened 1.7 miles and my efficiency was 128%. And here's one from earlier today
where I stepped on the go pedal, distance 0.7 miles, battery used 1%, Range used
1.2miles (so I really stepped on it!), and efficiency was 55%. Even when I step
on it, it is very easy to slow back down to a legal limit by just letting up on
the go pedal.

Best regards,

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1014 E King St
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Re: [EVDL] Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas, for gas cars | Reuters

[Rush via EV]

> On 1/12/2024 8:25 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:
> > That's been working surprisingly well for him, but that was before the
> > unfolding "Cybertruck" disaster. That hideous, awkward, grossly
> > inefficient lump belongs in a dystopian SF film, not on the road.  If
> > he stubbornly carries on with it, it will be Tesla's undoing.

Then John responded -
> Yeah, sure.  The vehicle with over 2 million pre-orders.
> The vehicle that has better specs, and a similar price to comparable EV 
> trucks.
> The vehicle that Tesla will make a profit on - while all other EV trucks are 
> being
> sold at a loss.
> Right.  Sure that will hurt Tesla.

Well said John. Look what happened with the Tesla Plug/Inlet. When Tesla first 
proposed the NACS everybody said, oh no, CCS is here to stay. The EV 
manufactures 
took a look at the total charging system that Tesla had designed and 
implemented 
and then decided that NACS was for them So far Ford, General Motors, 
Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, Volvo, Polestar, Rivian, Fisker, Honda, Jaguar, Hyundai, 
BMW, Toyota and two EVSE companies Electrify America and ChargePoint have said 
that they are going to use the NACS.

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Re: [EVDL] Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas, for gas cars | Reuters

[Rush via EV]

Wow! I've heard lots of whining about how difficult change is but this thread 
takes the cake... but then again I have to admit that every story has 2 sides 
to 
it. So go ahead and complain about one the most influential and innovative car 
manufactures of the 21st Century, lotta good it's going to do ya. ??

Rush
Tucson AZ

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> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2024 9:17 AM
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> Cc: etcad...@gmail.com; EV List Lackey 
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas, for gas 
> cars 
> |
> Reuters
>
> I rented a Herz Tesla M3 in Washington state last year. I'm an EV driver but 
> have
> never owned a Tesla and it took some time to learn how to turn on the fan, 
> etc.
> But some of that was my fault because before my rental date Herz provided a 
> link
> to a detailed FAQ doc on how to use the Tesla features than I missed reading. 
> I
> new renter read that they should have no difficulties driving a Tesla.
>
> Thanks,
> Ed Thorpe
>
> > On Jan 12, 2024, at 7:34?AM, EV List Lackey via EV  
> > wrote:
> >
> > ?On 12 Jan 2024 at 9:07, Mark E. Hanson via EV wrote:
> >
> >> The real reason is you *can't* drive it for two hours until after training.
> >
> > That's interesting, and might be another reason that Hertz sees more
> > accidents with Teslas than with other cars.  It's hard to drive
> > defensively when you're trying to figure out how to turn the wipers on
> > or signal a left turn.
> >
> > It sounds like your experience buying your Tesla was very different
> > from the one we had with our Renault Zoe.
> >
> > The Zoe is actually pretty much just get in and drive.  Except for the
> > radio, which is all run from the touchscreen and quite exasperating,
> > it has mostly normal driving controls.  There are knobs and switches
> > for HVAC, in the usual center location.  The headlights, turn signals,
> > high beam, and wipers are all on steering column stalks, where you
> > expect them to be. It has a
> > reverse/neutral/forward/forward-extra-regen selector where the
> > gearshift would be in a Clio.  There are buttons on the instrument panel 
> > for 
> > eco
> mode, door locks, charging port release, and so on.
> >
> > However, the dealer wasn't taking chances.  They had a person - not
> > our salesman - whose specific job it was to introduce us to the car.
> > It was nice that she spoke a fair amount of English.
> >
> > She started with an unveiling in the showroom where she led us over to
> > the car, covered with a velvety cloth, and dramatically swept the cloth 
> > away.
> >
> > Then she went over all the controls with us, noting things that were
> > different from ICEVs, or new to that model year, such as the electric
> > parking brake (not my heart's joy, but oh well).  She warned us about
> > not lifting the car with a floor jack, to avoid damaging the battery.
> > She also popped the hood, showed us where the washer fluid and brake
> > fluid went, and told us not to poke the orange cables.  :-)
> >
> > Then she sat in the back seat while we took the car out for the first
> > drive, in case we had any problems or questions.
> >
> > I don't know whether this coaching was Renault policy or that of the
> > specific dealership, but along with the low-pressure sales process, it
> > was easily the most civilized experience I've ever had buying a car,
> > regardless of drive system.
> >
> > I hope that your throw-him-to-the-wolves experience with buying a
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