Re: Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked semantic field(mind).

2012-08-19 Thread Alberto G. Corona
The barrier between religion and ordinary life, like the one that
suppossedly exist between gods and ordinary life is conventiona. If it is
true that men have an instinct for religion, this is not governed by a
switch that is put on when in a temple or when it is reading esoteric
teachings. It is on all the time and in everyone.

What produces this need of the soul or this innate instinct of the human
nature?. It may produce organized relgion, but also politics and ideology.
 The brain areas excited by the appearance of the Pope in a group of
believers are the same that are excited in ecologists when Al Gore appears.
In the past there were no separation between both phenomena. This is an
mostly Occidental division. The cult of personality in socialist countries
and the sectarian movements (either political or religious) are new
editions of the fundamentally Unitarian nature of religion and politics.

So, then, gods and adivines have been and will be here forever. When a name
for them is discredited, they appear with new names and within new
organization.  The modern Global warming alarmism is an  episode of
adivination by makin illegitimate use of science. the Marxism was a
scholastic school of Masters of Reality that claimed predicitive powers
over the story of Humanity. The gigantic photographs of Marx Lenin in the
URSS parliament is an example of religious temple of Atheism. But also the
small photograph or a loving one in the dormitory carries out a religious
sense, Specially if it passed away and it was a greath influence in our
lives. Religion is everywhere and forever.

2012/8/18 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com

 I can not resit to say something here.

 1)Adivination may be very dangerous, because adivination can be a powerful
 way of manipulation. an autoproclaimed adivine can manipulate you or your
 society if the the adivine is a powerful person.  It can gain the a status
 of living god. In the past they were adivines or magicians, later they were
 the philosophers. Nowadays they are mostly scientists. I´m talking about
 the bad people of these groups.

 2) very related with this, it is very plausible that by natural selection
 applied to the need to coordinate societies for common goals, we have the
 capability and the unavoidable necesity, by instinct to deify something or
 someone and to hypostasize it, that is to give it a personal nature it it
 has not. this may derive from the cult to the authority of the founder of
 the ancient tribe of our ancestors.

  If we have this instinct and this is unavoidable, the best use of it, to
 avoid the manipulation of  those who want to ascend  in the mind of the
 people, to what was in the past reserved for the gods,  is to adore a
 transcendent personal god that represent the unknown.

 There is no theology here. I´m, talking in practical terms. although it
 may be considered of what Saint Thomas would call natural revelation. I´m
 fascinated o how much specifically Christian apologetics can be derived
 from the apparently antireligious, simple and egoistic notion of natural
 selection, which is none of the three. But this is not the place to discuss
 that.

 2012/8/17 Roger rclo...@verizon.net

  Hi Craig Weinberg

 You are right in a sense.  Weather prediction is a form of
 fortune-telling.

 But the reason traditional fortune-telling is frowned on by the Bible is
 that
 it invokes powers outside of God or over God (Thou shalt have no other
 God before me).

 I don't consider weather prediction as a replacement for God, so no
 problem.

 A more common false God however is your career, and we're all guilty of
 that.


 Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
 8/17/2012
 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
 everything could function.

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 semantic field(mind).

  Thanks Roger,

 Your work on this looks very interesting. I think I get the gist of it
 but I will have to take a closer look.

 I wonder how would fortune telling not include weather reports, actuarial
 tables, financial forecasts, etc? Historically there doesn't seem to be any
 meaningful correlation between fortune telling and any particular danger to
 people as a whole. Certainly no more danger than drinking wine or eating
 ice cream.

 Craig


 On Friday, August 17, 2012 9:49:24 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:

  Hi Craig Weinberg

 I was into the esoteric a decade ago, including the Tarot, and
 especially the Yi Ching.
 whose ability to transform and embed and interlink metaphors is very
 powerful.  Being combinatorically
 constructed, it is a complete, homogeneous and interlinked (hyperlinked)
 semantic field (to a certain
 resolution).  You can do things with it not even dreamed of in western
 semantics and language processing

Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked semantic field(mind).

2012-08-19 Thread Bruno Marchal


On 19 Aug 2012, at 11:15, Alberto G. Corona wrote:

The barrier between religion and ordinary life, like the one that  
suppossedly exist between gods and ordinary life is conventiona. If  
it is true that men have an instinct for religion, this is not  
governed by a switch that is put on when in a temple or when it is  
reading esoteric teachings. It is on all the time and in everyone.


I agree. I make a case that all correct machine are theological. The  
reason is that such machine, when looking inward (as they can do by  
self-reference) can guess that there is something transcending them.






What produces this need of the soul or this innate instinct of the  
human nature?. It may produce organized relgion, but also politics  
and ideology.  The brain areas excited by the appearance of the Pope  
in a group of believers are the same that are excited in ecologists  
when Al Gore appears. In the past there were no separation between  
both phenomena. This is an mostly Occidental division.


But it is also a natural division. When machine get theological, from  
their perspective it looks like those kind of things are different.  
And at some level they are. I think that the conflict is already  
reflected in the left brain / right brain difference. Perhaps between  
woman and man, east and west, yin and yang.


Take any machine, she will develop those two poles. the schizophreny  
appears only when one pole believes to be more right than the other  
pole.




The cult of personality in socialist countries and the sectarian  
movements (either political or religious) are new editions of the  
fundamentally Unitarian nature of religion and politics.


So, then, gods and adivines have been and will be here forever.


I concur.



When a name for them is discredited, they appear with new names and  
within new organization.


Absolutely. Some atheists sects can copy some clergy ritual at the  
level of the microcospic details, and also the authoritative  
arguments. I am thinking to some atheist masonic lodges (not all).




 The modern Global warming alarmism is an  episode of adivination by  
makin illegitimate use of science. the Marxism was a scholastic  
school of Masters of Reality that claimed predicitive powers over  
the story of Humanity. The gigantic photographs of Marx Lenin in the  
URSS parliament is an example of religious temple of Atheism. But  
also the small photograph or a loving one in the dormitory carries  
out a religious sense, Specially if it passed away and it was a  
greath influence in our lives. Religion is everywhere and forever.


OK. But it can progress. The authoritative argument in science and  
religion is a rest of our mammals reflex. Dogs and wolves needs  
leaders, for reason of a long biological past story. It makes sense  
for short term goal, like it makes sense to obey to orders in the  
military situation. But it is really an handicap for the long run.


And that means that authoritative arguments will disappear, in the  
long run, or we will disappear, like the dinosaurs. Natural selection  
can select good things for the short terms, and throw them away later.  
What will not disappear is science and religion. Religion and  
spirituality will be more and more prevalent, and play a role of  
private goal, and science will be more and more understood as the best  
tool to approximate that spiritual goal. I think.


To fight fundamentalism in religion, theology should go back to the  
academy (which like democracy is the worst institution except for all  
others!).


Bruno

http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/



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Re: Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked semantic field(mind).

2012-08-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I can not resit to say something here.

1)Adivination may be very dangerous, because adivination can be a powerful
way of manipulation. an autoproclaimed adivine can manipulate you or your
society if the the adivine is a powerful person.  It can gain the a status
of living god. It can even be a philosopher or a scientist.

2) very related with this, it is very plausible that by natural selection
applied to the need to coordinate societies for common goals, we have the
capability and the unavoidable neccesity, by instinct to deify something or
someone and to hypostasize it, that is to give it a personal nature it it
has not. this may derive from the cult to the authority of the founder of
the ancient tribe of our ancestors.

 If we have this instinct and this is unavoidable, the best use of it, to
avoid the manipulation of  those who want to ascend  in the mind of the
people, to what was in the past reserved for the gods,  is to adore a
transcendent personal god that represent the unknown. T

There is no theology here. I´m, talking in practical terms. although it may
be considered of what Saint Thomas would call natural revelation. I´m
fascinated o how much specifically Christian apologetics can be derived
from the apparently antireligious, simple and egoistic notion of natural
selection, which is none of the three. But this is not the place to discuss
that.

2012/8/17 Roger rclo...@verizon.net

  Hi Craig Weinberg

 You are right in a sense.  Weather prediction is a form of
 fortune-telling.

 But the reason traditional fortune-telling is frowned on by the Bible is
 that
 it invokes powers outside of God or over God (Thou shalt have no other
 God before me).

 I don't consider weather prediction as a replacement for God, so no
 problem.

 A more common false God however is your career, and we're all guilty of
 that.


 Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
 8/17/2012
 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
 everything could function.

 - Receiving the following content -
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 *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com
 *Time:* 2012-08-17, 12:35:03
 *Subject:* Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked
 semantic field(mind).

  Thanks Roger,

 Your work on this looks very interesting. I think I get the gist of it but
 I will have to take a closer look.

 I wonder how would fortune telling not include weather reports, actuarial
 tables, financial forecasts, etc? Historically there doesn't seem to be any
 meaningful correlation between fortune telling and any particular danger to
 people as a whole. Certainly no more danger than drinking wine or eating
 ice cream.

 Craig


 On Friday, August 17, 2012 9:49:24 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:

  Hi Craig Weinberg

 I was into the esoteric a decade ago, including the Tarot, and especially
 the Yi Ching.
 whose ability to transform and embed and interlink metaphors is very
 powerful.  Being combinatorically
 constructed, it is a complete, homogeneous and interlinked (hyperlinked)
 semantic field (to a certain
 resolution).  You can do things with it not even dreamed of in western
 semantics and language processing.
 Leibniz almost discovered these properties. I developed a theory of story
 ujsing it (in the form of the Feng Shui).
 See

 http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/**j8clough.htmlhttp://tap3x.net/EMBTI/j8clough.html

 Similarly I studied the time based version of the Yi Jing called the Tai
 Xuan Jing (T'ai Hsuan Ching)
 which is ternary in form and especially mysterious and beautiful.


 Then I went back tio the Lutheran Church and being conservative, and
 being advised and believing that such esoteric topics
 (unfortunately used in fortune telling, forbidden by the Bible) are not a
 healthy pursuit, I gave up all of that stuff.


 Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
 8/17/2012
 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
 everything could function.

 - Receiving the following content -
 *From:* Craig Weinberg
 *Receiver:* everything-list
 *Time:* 2012-08-15, 05:05:44
 *Subject:* Reconciling Bruno's Primitives with Multisense

  Hi Bruno,

 I was thinking about your primitive of arithmetic truth (numbers, 0, +,
 and *, right?) and then your concept of 'the dreams of numbers',
 interviewing Lobian Machines, etc and came up with this.

 One single irreducible digit which represents a self-dividing continuum
 of infinite perpendicular dialectics between eidetic dream states (in which
 dream~numbers escape their numerical identities as immersive qualitative
 experiences) and entopic non-dream states (in which number~dreams escape
 their dream nature as literal algebra-geometries).

 This continuum f( ), runs from infinitely solipsistic/private first
 person subjectivity (calling that Aleph **)* *to infinitely
 discrete/public third person mechanism (calling that Omega **), so that
 at **,any given dream is experienced as 99.99...9% dream and 0.00...1%
 number

Re: Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked semantic field(mind).

2012-08-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I can not resit to say something here.

1)Adivination may be very dangerous, because adivination can be a powerful
way of manipulation. an autoproclaimed adivine can manipulate you or your
society if the the adivine is a powerful person.  It can gain the a status
of living god. In the past they were adivines or magicians, later they were
the philosophers. Nowadays they are mostly scientists. I´m talking about
the bad people of these groups.

2) very related with this, it is very plausible that by natural selection
applied to the need to coordinate societies for common goals, we have the
capability and the unavoidable necesity, by instinct to deify something or
someone and to hypostasize it, that is to give it a personal nature it it
has not. this may derive from the cult to the authority of the founder of
the ancient tribe of our ancestors.

 If we have this instinct and this is unavoidable, the best use of it, to
avoid the manipulation of  those who want to ascend  in the mind of the
people, to what was in the past reserved for the gods,  is to adore a
transcendent personal god that represent the unknown.

There is no theology here. I´m, talking in practical terms. although it may
be considered of what Saint Thomas would call natural revelation. I´m
fascinated o how much specifically Christian apologetics can be derived
from the apparently antireligious, simple and egoistic notion of natural
selection, which is none of the three. But this is not the place to discuss
that.

2012/8/17 Roger rclo...@verizon.net

  Hi Craig Weinberg

 You are right in a sense.  Weather prediction is a form of
 fortune-telling.

 But the reason traditional fortune-telling is frowned on by the Bible is
 that
 it invokes powers outside of God or over God (Thou shalt have no other
 God before me).

 I don't consider weather prediction as a replacement for God, so no
 problem.

 A more common false God however is your career, and we're all guilty of
 that.


 Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
 8/17/2012
 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
 everything could function.

 - Receiving the following content -
 *From:* Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
 *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com
 *Time:* 2012-08-17, 12:35:03
 *Subject:* Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked
 semantic field(mind).

  Thanks Roger,

 Your work on this looks very interesting. I think I get the gist of it but
 I will have to take a closer look.

 I wonder how would fortune telling not include weather reports, actuarial
 tables, financial forecasts, etc? Historically there doesn't seem to be any
 meaningful correlation between fortune telling and any particular danger to
 people as a whole. Certainly no more danger than drinking wine or eating
 ice cream.

 Craig


 On Friday, August 17, 2012 9:49:24 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:

  Hi Craig Weinberg

 I was into the esoteric a decade ago, including the Tarot, and especially
 the Yi Ching.
 whose ability to transform and embed and interlink metaphors is very
 powerful.  Being combinatorically
 constructed, it is a complete, homogeneous and interlinked (hyperlinked)
 semantic field (to a certain
 resolution).  You can do things with it not even dreamed of in western
 semantics and language processing.
 Leibniz almost discovered these properties. I developed a theory of story
 ujsing it (in the form of the Feng Shui).
 See

 http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/**j8clough.htmlhttp://tap3x.net/EMBTI/j8clough.html

 Similarly I studied the time based version of the Yi Jing called the Tai
 Xuan Jing (T'ai Hsuan Ching)
 which is ternary in form and especially mysterious and beautiful.


 Then I went back tio the Lutheran Church and being conservative, and
 being advised and believing that such esoteric topics
 (unfortunately used in fortune telling, forbidden by the Bible) are not a
 healthy pursuit, I gave up all of that stuff.


 Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
 8/17/2012
 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
 everything could function.

 - Receiving the following content -
 *From:* Craig Weinberg
 *Receiver:* everything-list
 *Time:* 2012-08-15, 05:05:44
 *Subject:* Reconciling Bruno's Primitives with Multisense

  Hi Bruno,

 I was thinking about your primitive of arithmetic truth (numbers, 0, +,
 and *, right?) and then your concept of 'the dreams of numbers',
 interviewing Lobian Machines, etc and came up with this.

 One single irreducible digit which represents a self-dividing continuum
 of infinite perpendicular dialectics between eidetic dream states (in which
 dream~numbers escape their numerical identities as immersive qualitative
 experiences) and entopic non-dream states (in which number~dreams escape
 their dream nature as literal algebra-geometries).

 This continuum f( ), runs from infinitely solipsistic/private first
 person subjectivity (calling that Aleph **)* *to infinitely
 discrete/public third person

Re: Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked semantic field(mind).

2012-08-18 Thread Craig Weinberg


On Saturday, August 18, 2012 5:04:28 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote:

 I can not resit to say something here.

 1)Adivination may be very dangerous, because adivination can be a powerful 
 way of manipulation. an autoproclaimed adivine can manipulate you or your 
 society if the the adivine is a powerful person.  It can gain the a status 
 of living god. In the past they were adivines or magicians, later they were 
 the philosophers. Nowadays they are mostly scientists. I´m talking about 
 the bad people of these groups.


Sure, but doesn't the abuse of adivination pale in comparison to most other 
forms of political device? Has the Bible or Koran every been used as a 
powerful way to manipulate societies? Has financial power ever giving 
someone the status of a living god? To me, especially in a modern context, 
using divination is seen as a huge liability. The Wall Street wizards of 
quant magic are far more influential than any Bronze Age warlock ever 
dreamed of being.


 2) very related with this, it is very plausible that by natural selection 
 applied to the need to coordinate societies for common goals, we have the 
 capability and the unavoidable necesity, by instinct to deify something or 
 someone and to hypostasize it, that is to give it a personal nature it it 
 has not. this may derive from the cult to the authority of the founder of 
 the ancient tribe of our ancestors. 

  If we have this instinct and this is unavoidable, the best use of it, to 
 avoid the manipulation of  those who want to ascend  in the mind of the 
 people, to what was in the past reserved for the gods,  is to adore a 
 transcendent personal god that represent the unknown. 

 There is no theology here. I´m, talking in practical terms. although it 
 may be considered of what Saint Thomas would call natural revelation. I´m 
 fascinated o how much specifically Christian apologetics can be derived 
 from the apparently antireligious, simple and egoistic notion of natural 
 selection, which is none of the three. But this is not the place to discuss 
 that.



I think that our contemporary culture shows that society can bond to 
abstract conceptual brands just as well as an anthropomorphized 
personality. Our Gods are commercial abstractions of status. Any fears of 
charismatic religious power in the West are probably hysterical 
exaggerations at this point. Relatively few people care about someone 
claiming to speak for an omniscient God anymore - it's who speaks for 
financial success that matters.

Craig

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Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked semantic field (mind).

2012-08-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
Thanks Roger,

Your work on this looks very interesting. I think I get the gist of it but 
I will have to take a closer look. 

I wonder how would fortune telling not include weather reports, actuarial 
tables, financial forecasts, etc? Historically there doesn't seem to be any 
meaningful correlation between fortune telling and any particular danger to 
people as a whole. Certainly no more danger than drinking wine or eating 
ice cream.

Craig


On Friday, August 17, 2012 9:49:24 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:

  Hi Craig Weinberg 
  
 I was into the esoteric a decade ago, including the Tarot, and especially 
 the Yi Ching. 
 whose ability to transform and embed and interlink metaphors is very 
 powerful.  Being combinatorically
 constructed, it is a complete, homogeneous and interlinked (hyperlinked) 
 semantic field (to a certain
 resolution).  You can do things with it not even dreamed of in western 
 semantics and language processing.  
 Leibniz almost discovered these properties. I developed a theory of story 
 ujsing it (in the form of the Feng Shui).
 See
  
 http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/j8clough.html
  
 Similarly I studied the time based version of the Yi Jing called the Tai 
 Xuan Jing (T'ai Hsuan Ching) 
 which is ternary in form and especially mysterious and beautiful.
  
  
 Then I went back tio the Lutheran Church and being conservative, and being 
 advised and believing that such esoteric topics
 (unfortunately used in fortune telling, forbidden by the Bible) are not a 
 healthy pursuit, I gave up all of that stuff.
  
  
 Roger , rclo...@verizon.net javascript:
 8/17/2012 
 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so 
 everything could function.

 - Receiving the following content - 
 *From:* Craig Weinberg javascript: 
 *Receiver:* everything-list javascript: 
 *Time:* 2012-08-15, 05:05:44
 *Subject:* Reconciling Bruno's Primitives with Multisense

  Hi Bruno,

 I was thinking about your primitive of arithmetic truth (numbers, 0, +, 
 and *, right?) and then your concept of 'the dreams of numbers', 
 interviewing Lobian Machines, etc and came up with this.

 One single irreducible digit 锟斤拷 which represents a self-dividing 
 continuum of infinite perpendicular dialectics between eidetic dream states 
 (in which dream~numbers escape their numerical identities as immersive 
 qualitative experiences) and entopic non-dream states (in which 
 number~dreams escape their dream nature as literal algebra-geometries).

 This continuum f(锟斤拷), runs from infinitely solipsistic/private first 
 person subjectivity (calling that Aleph *锟斤拷*)* *to infinitely 
 discrete/public third person mechanism (calling that Omega *锟斤拷*), so 
 that at *锟斤拷*,any given dream is experienced as 99.99...9% dream and 
 0.00...1% number and at *锟斤拷*, any given machine or number is presented 
 as 99.99...9% number and 0.00...1% dream.

 The halfway point between the *锟斤拷 *and* **锟斤拷* axis is the perpendicular 
 axis f(-锟斤拷) which is the high and low correspondence between the literal 
 dream and figurative number (or figurative dream and literal number 
 depending on whether you are using the dream-facing epistemology or the 
 number-facing epistemology). This axis runs from tight equivalence (=) to 
 broadly elliptical potential set membership (...)

 So it looks something like this:

 f(锟斤拷) 锟斤拷 *{锟斤拷** ...** 锟斤拷** =** 锟斤拷**}*

 To go further, it could be said that at *锟斤拷*(Omega), 锟斤拷 (Om) expresses 
 as *10|O* (one, zero, line segment, circle referring to the quantitative 
 algebraic and geometric perpendicular primitives) while at *锟斤拷* (Aleph), 
 锟斤拷(Om) expresses as
 锟斤拷锟斤拷锟斤拷锟斤拷 (tetragrammaton or yod, hay, vov, hay, or in perhaps more 
 familiar metaphor, 锟斤拷**锟斤拷锟斤拷**锟斤拷(clubs, spades, hearts, diamonds)

 where:

 锟斤拷 clubs (wands) =Fire, spiritual, tactile
 锟斤拷 spades (swords) = Air, mental, auditory
 锟斤拷 hearts (cups) =Water, emotional, visual
 锟斤拷 diamonds (pentacles/coins) = Earth, physical, olfactory-gustatory

 Note that tactile and auditory modalities tune us into ourselves and each 
 others sensemaking (selves and minds), while the visual and 
 olfactory/gustatory sense modalities are about objectifying realism of the 
 world (egos or objectified selves/self-images and bodies). It should be 
 obvious that 锟斤拷 clubs (wands) and 锟斤拷 spades (swords) are stereotypically 
 masculine and abstracting forces, while 锟斤拷 hearts (cups) and 锟斤拷 diamonds 
 (pentacles/coins) are stereotypically feminine objectified fields.

 Sorry for the mumbo jumbo, but it is the only way to be non-reductive when 
 approaching the qualitative side. We can't pretend to talk about the 
 eidetic, dream like perpendicular of number logic while using the purely 
 empirical terms of arithmetic reduction. We need symbols that can only 
 refer to named qualities rather than enumerated quantities.

 Let the ignoring and insulting begin!

 Craig

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Re: Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked semantic field(mind).

2012-08-17 Thread Roger
Hi Craig Weinberg 

You are right in a sense.  Weather prediction is a form of fortune-telling.

But the reason traditional fortune-telling is frowned on by the Bible is that 
it invokes powers outside of God or over God (Thou shalt have no other
God before me). 

I don't consider weather prediction as a replacement for God, so no problem.

A more common false God however is your career, and we're all guilty of that.  


Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
8/17/2012 
Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything 
could function.
- Receiving the following content - 
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Receiver: everything-list 
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Subject: Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked semantic 
field(mind).


Thanks Roger,

Your work on this looks very interesting. I think I get the gist of it but I 
will have to take a closer look. 

I wonder how would fortune telling not include weather reports, actuarial 
tables, financial forecasts, etc? Historically there doesn't seem to be any 
meaningful correlation between fortune telling and any particular danger to 
people as a whole. Certainly no more danger than drinking wine or eating ice 
cream.

Craig


On Friday, August 17, 2012 9:49:24 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg 

I was into the esoteric a decade ago, including the Tarot, and especially the 
Yi Ching. 
whose ability to transform and embed and interlink metaphors is very powerful.  
Being combinatorically
constructed, it is a complete, homogeneous and interlinked (hyperlinked) 
semantic field (to a certain
resolution).  You can do things with it not even dreamed of in western 
semantics and language processing.  
Leibniz almost discovered these properties. I developed a theory of story 
ujsing it (in the form of the Feng Shui).
See

http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/j8clough.html

Similarly I studied the time based version of the Yi Jing called the Tai Xuan 
Jing (T'ai Hsuan Ching) 
which is ternary in form and especially mysterious and beautiful.


Then I went back tio the Lutheran Church and being conservative, and being 
advised and believing that such esoteric topics
(unfortunately used in fortune telling, forbidden by the Bible) are not a 
healthy pursuit, I gave up all of that stuff.


Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
8/17/2012 
Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything 
could function.
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Time: 2012-08-15, 05:05:44
Subject: Reconciling Bruno's Primitives with Multisense


Hi Bruno,

I was thinking about your primitive of arithmetic truth (numbers, 0, +, and *, 
right?) and then your concept of 'the dreams of numbers', interviewing Lobian 
Machines, etc and came up with this.

One single irreducible digit which represents a self-dividing continuum of 
infinite perpendicular dialectics between eidetic dream states (in which 
dream~numbers escape their numerical identities as immersive qualitative 
experiences) and entopic non-dream states (in which number~dreams escape their 
dream nature as literal algebra-geometries).

This continuum f( ), runs from infinitely solipsistic/private first person 
subjectivity (calling that Aleph ) to infinitely discrete/public third person 
mechanism (calling that Omega ), so that at ,any given dream is experienced as 
99.99...9% dream and 0.00...1% number and at , any given machine or number is 
presented as 99.99...9% number and 0.00...1% dream.

The halfway point between the and axis is the perpendicular axis f(- ) which is 
the high and low correspondence between the literal dream and figurative number 
(or figurative dream and literal number depending on whether you are using the 
dream-facing epistemology or the number-facing epistemology). This axis runs 
from tight equivalence (=) to broadly elliptical potential set membership 
(...)

So it looks something like this:

f( ) { ... = }

To go further, it could be said that at (Omega), (Om) expresses as 10|O (one, 
zero, line segment, circle referring to the quantitative algebraic and 
geometric perpendicular primitives) while at (Aleph), (Om) expresses as
(tetragrammaton or yod, hay, vov, hay, or in perhaps more familiar metaphor, 
(clubs, spades, hearts, diamonds)

where:
clubs (wands) =Fire, spiritual, tactile
spades (swords) = Air, mental, auditory
hearts (cups) =Water, emotional, visual
diamonds (pentacles/coins) = Earth, physical, olfactory-gustatory
Note that tactile and auditory modalities tune us into ourselves and each 
others sensemaking (selves and minds), while the visual and olfactory/gustatory 
sense modalities are about objectifying realism of the world (egos or 
objectified selves/self-images and bodies). It should be obvious that clubs 
(wands) and spades (swords) are stereotypically masculine and abstracting 
forces, while hearts (cups) and diamonds (pentacles/coins) are stereotypically 
feminine objectified fields.
Sorry