The barrier between religion and ordinary life, like the one that
suppossedly exist between gods and ordinary life is conventiona. If it is
true that men have an instinct for religion, this is not governed by a
switch that is put on when in a temple or when it is reading esoteric
teachings. It is on all the time and in everyone.

What produces this need of the soul or this innate instinct of the human
nature?. It may produce organized relgion, but also politics and ideology.
 The brain areas excited by the appearance of the Pope in a group of
believers are the same that are excited in ecologists when Al Gore appears.
In the past there were no separation between both phenomena. This is an
mostly Occidental division. The cult of personality in socialist countries
and the sectarian movements (either political or religious) are new
editions of the fundamentally Unitarian nature of religion and politics.

So, then, gods and adivines have been and will be here forever. When a name
for them is discredited, they appear with new names and within new
organization.  The modern Global warming alarmism is an  episode of
adivination by makin illegitimate use of science. the Marxism was a
scholastic school of Masters of Reality that claimed predicitive powers
over the story of Humanity. The gigantic photographs of Marx Lenin in the
URSS parliament is an example of religious temple of Atheism. But also the
small photograph or a loving one in the dormitory carries out a religious
sense, Specially if it passed away and it was a greath influence in our
lives. Religion is everywhere and forever.

2012/8/18 Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com>

> I can not resit to say something here.
>
> 1)Adivination may be very dangerous, because adivination can be a powerful
> way of manipulation. an autoproclaimed adivine can manipulate you or your
> society if the the adivine is a powerful person.  It can gain the a status
> of living god. In the past they were adivines or magicians, later they were
> the philosophers. Nowadays they are mostly scientists. I´m talking about
> the bad people of these groups.
>
> 2) very related with this, it is very plausible that by natural selection
> applied to the need to coordinate societies for common goals, we have the
> capability and the unavoidable necesity, by instinct to deify something or
> someone and to hypostasize it, that is to give it a personal nature it it
> has not. this may derive from the cult to the authority of the founder of
> the ancient tribe of our ancestors.
>
>  If we have this instinct and this is unavoidable, the best use of it, to
> avoid the manipulation of  those who want to ascend  in the mind of the
> people, to what was in the past reserved for the gods,  is to adore a
> transcendent personal god that represent the unknown.
>
> There is no theology here. I´m, talking in practical terms. although it
> may be considered of what Saint Thomas would call "natural revelation". I´m
> fascinated o how much specifically Christian apologetics can be derived
> from the apparently antireligious, simple and egoistic notion of natural
> selection, which is none of the three. But this is not the place to discuss
> that.
>
> 2012/8/17 Roger <rclo...@verizon.net>
>
>>  Hi Craig Weinberg
>>
>> You are right in a sense.  Weather prediction is a form of
>> "fortune-telling".
>>
>> But the reason traditional fortune-telling is frowned on by the Bible is
>> that
>> it invokes powers outside of God or over God (Thou shalt have no other
>> God before me).
>>
>> I don't consider weather prediction as a replacement for God, so no
>> problem.
>>
>> A more common false God however is your career, and we're all guilty of
>> that.
>>
>>
>> Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
>> 8/17/2012
>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
>> everything could function."
>>
>> ----- Receiving the following content -----
>> *From:* Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>
>> *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
>> *Time:* 2012-08-17, 12:35:03
>> *Subject:* Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked
>> semantic field(mind).
>>
>>  Thanks Roger,
>>
>> Your work on this looks very interesting. I think I get the gist of it
>> but I will have to take a closer look.
>>
>> I wonder how would fortune telling not include weather reports, actuarial
>> tables, financial forecasts, etc? Historically there doesn't seem to be any
>> meaningful correlation between fortune telling and any particular danger to
>> people as a whole. Certainly no more danger than drinking wine or eating
>> ice cream.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 9:49:24 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi Craig Weinberg
>>>
>>> I was into the esoteric a decade ago, including the Tarot, and
>>> especially the Yi Ching.
>>> whose ability to transform and embed and interlink metaphors is very
>>> powerful.  Being combinatorically
>>> constructed, it is a complete, homogeneous and interlinked (hyperlinked)
>>> semantic field (to a certain
>>> resolution).  You can do things with it not even dreamed of in western
>>> semantics and language processing.
>>> Leibniz almost discovered these properties. I developed a theory of
>>> story ujsing it (in the form of the Feng Shui).
>>> See
>>>
>>> http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/**j8clough.html<http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/j8clough.html>
>>>
>>> Similarly I studied the time based version of the Yi Jing called the Tai
>>> Xuan Jing (T'ai Hsuan Ching)
>>> which is ternary in form and especially mysterious and beautiful.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then I went back tio the Lutheran Church and being conservative, and
>>> being advised and believing that such esoteric topics
>>> (unfortunately used in fortune telling, forbidden by the Bible) are not
>>> a healthy pursuit, I gave up all of that stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>> Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
>>> 8/17/2012
>>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
>>> everything could function."
>>>
>>> ----- Receiving the following content -----
>>> *From:* Craig Weinberg
>>> *Receiver:* everything-list
>>> *Time:* 2012-08-15, 05:05:44
>>> *Subject:* Reconciling Bruno's Primitives with Multisense
>>>
>>>  Hi Bruno,
>>>
>>> I was thinking about your primitive of arithmetic truth (numbers, 0, +,
>>> and *, right?) and then your concept of 'the dreams of numbers',
>>> interviewing Lobian Machines, etc and came up with this.
>>>
>>> One single irreducible digit which represents a self-dividing continuum
>>> of infinite perpendicular dialectics between eidetic dream states (in which
>>> dream~numbers escape their numerical identities as immersive qualitative
>>> experiences) and entopic non-dream states (in which number~dreams escape
>>> their dream nature as literal algebra-geometries).
>>>
>>> This continuum f( ), runs from infinitely solipsistic/private first
>>> person subjectivity (calling that Aleph **)* *to infinitely
>>> discrete/public third person mechanism (calling that Omega **), so that
>>> at **,any given dream is experienced as 99.99...9% dream and 0.00...1%
>>> number and at **, any given machine or number is presented as
>>> 99.99...9% number and 0.00...1% dream.
>>>
>>> The halfway point between the **and* ***axis is the perpendicular axis
>>> f(- ) which is the high and low correspondence between the literal dream
>>> and figurative number (or figurative dream and literal number depending on
>>> whether you are using the dream-facing epistemology or the number-facing
>>> epistemology). This axis runs from tight equivalence ("=") to broadly
>>> elliptical potential set membership ("...")
>>>
>>>
>>> So it looks something like this:
>>>
>>> f( ) *{ **"...**" **"=**" **}*
>>>
>>> To go further, it could be said that at **(Omega), (Om) expresses as *
>>> 10|O* (one, zero, line segment, circle referring to the quantitative
>>> algebraic and geometric perpendicular primitives) while at **(Aleph),
>>> (Om) expresses as
>>>
>>> (tetragrammaton or yod, hay, vov, hay, or in perhaps more familiar
>>> metaphor, ****(clubs, spades, hearts, diamonds)
>>>
>>> where:
>>>
>>> clubs (wands) =Fire, spiritual, tactile
>>>
>>> spades (swords) = Air, mental, auditory
>>> hearts (cups) =Water, emotional, visual
>>> diamonds (pentacles/coins) = Earth, physical, olfactory-gustatory
>>>
>>> Note that tactile and auditory modalities tune us into ourselves and
>>> each others sensemaking (selves and minds), while the visual and
>>> olfactory/gustatory sense modalities are about objectifying realism of the
>>> world (egos or objectified selves/self-images and bodies). It should be
>>> obvious that clubs (wands) and spades (swords) are stereotypically
>>> masculine and abstracting forces, while hearts (cups) and diamonds
>>> (pentacles/coins) are stereotypically feminine objectified fields.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the mumbo jumbo, but it is the only way to be non-reductive
>>> when approaching the qualitative side. We can't pretend to talk about the
>>> eidetic, dream like perpendicular of number logic while using the purely
>>> empirical terms of arithmetic reduction. We need symbols that can only
>>> refer to named qualities rather than enumerated quantities.
>>>
>>> Let the ignoring and insulting begin!
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
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