On 19 Aug 2012, at 11:15, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
The barrier between religion and ordinary life, like the one that
suppossedly exist between gods and ordinary life is conventiona. If
it is true that men have an instinct for religion, this is not
governed by a switch that is put on when in a temple or when it is
reading esoteric teachings. It is on all the time and in everyone.
I agree. I make a case that all correct machine are theological. The
reason is that such machine, when looking inward (as they can do by
self-reference) can guess that there is something transcending them.
What produces this need of the soul or this innate instinct of the
human nature?. It may produce organized relgion, but also politics
and ideology. The brain areas excited by the appearance of the Pope
in a group of believers are the same that are excited in ecologists
when Al Gore appears. In the past there were no separation between
both phenomena. This is an mostly Occidental division.
But it is also a natural division. When machine get theological, from
their perspective it looks like those kind of things are different.
And at some level they are. I think that the conflict is already
reflected in the left brain / right brain difference. Perhaps between
woman and man, east and west, yin and yang.
Take any machine, she will develop those two poles. the "schizophreny
appears only when one pole believes to be more right than the other
pole.
The cult of personality in socialist countries and the sectarian
movements (either political or religious) are new editions of the
fundamentally Unitarian nature of religion and politics.
So, then, gods and adivines have been and will be here forever.
I concur.
When a name for them is discredited, they appear with new names and
within new organization.
Absolutely. Some atheists sects can copy some clergy ritual at the
level of the microcospic details, and also the authoritative
arguments. I am thinking to some atheist masonic lodges (not all).
The modern Global warming alarmism is an episode of adivination by
makin illegitimate use of science. the Marxism was a scholastic
school of Masters of Reality that claimed predicitive powers over
the story of Humanity. The gigantic photographs of Marx Lenin in the
URSS parliament is an example of religious temple of Atheism. But
also the small photograph or a loving one in the dormitory carries
out a religious sense, Specially if it passed away and it was a
greath influence in our lives. Religion is everywhere and forever.
OK. But it can progress. The authoritative argument in science and
religion is a rest of our mammals reflex. Dogs and wolves needs
leaders, for reason of a long biological past story. It makes sense
for short term goal, like it makes sense to "obey" to orders in the
military situation. But it is really an handicap for the long run.
And that means that authoritative arguments will disappear, in the
long run, or we will disappear, like the dinosaurs. Natural selection
can select good things for the short terms, and throw them away later.
What will not disappear is science and religion. Religion and
spirituality will be more and more prevalent, and play a role of
private goal, and science will be more and more understood as the best
tool to approximate that spiritual goal. I think.
To fight fundamentalism in religion, theology should go back to the
academy (which like democracy is the worst institution except for all
others!).
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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