Re: UDA video (was Re: saying no to the doctor...)
On 07 May 2014, at 00:46, Kim Jones wrote: On 7 May 2014, at 2:45 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 06 May 2014, at 14:14, Kim Jones wrote: On 6 May 2014, at 12:17 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 May 2014, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal Meanwhile, to console you, here is my last talk at IRIDIA. It is a playlist of 3 videos not yet publicly available on YouTube (you can't find it by searching on YT, but feel free to share). The sound in that room was terrible, so please believe I can be less bad---in english, but for the talk itself I missed some occasion to be clearer. I regret also my comment on atheism (which was not useful). My friends who did the video made a good job to save as much as possible from that bad sound though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW2WWQylbwMlist=PLvvqQQ-1XfwzKceR7ciJTtij3nj1PRtiYfeature=mh_lolz Feel free to comment, here or there. Hey, that's really great!!! When do Parts 2 and 3 appear? Normally the address above is the address of the playlist, so normally you should get them, for example by clicking on the playlist icon at the bottom of the video. Tell me if you have a link problem. The sound is not all that bad I guess my accent might be a bit worst. Accent is wonderful. All English sounds more impressive with a French accent! I guess I am quite impressive then :) Recall only that une expérience does not equate to an experiment in the mind of a native English speaker. I understand and accept the overlap in meaning in these terms, but feel that anyone listening to a live presentation would not immediately grasp this. Generally, I note that whenever you say experience you mean experiment. Yes, this correlates not well with the use in french, and that is why, to avoid confusion, I prefix the notion with first person and third person. An experience is a personal (first person) experiment, and an experiment is (in french) a public (third person) experience, but in english you use only experiment, apparently. Thanks for insisting on that info. Now, my poor neurons are trained for that confusion, so indulge me to commit that confusion again, and thanks for correcting me until my neurons learn something, and me too, I mean in some usable way. I am aware of my quasi automatic error with the plural/singular (where the algorithm is: do the inverse of the usual one, which oscillates unfortunately), and when tired, auxiliaries suffer. Sorry for all this. Cheers, Bruno Cheers, K super bien, Bruno! Merci Kim! Bruno Kim Have you seen if that author tackles the duplication theme? I don't think so, but (s)he makes fun of logicians: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/10 A bit a classical theme, yet I always laugh at such logician humor :) Bruno :) (Like in UDA or in the movie prestige). Let us know if and when (that should exist) you find one. I might scan my own comics and send it here. Cheers, Bruno Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything- list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything- list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because
Re: UDA video (was Re: saying no to the doctor...)
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 May 2014, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 May 2014, at 14:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 LOL. Not bad. Actually I made myself comic trips to explain UDA in the earlier version. I was used to draw a lot. Comics are pretty to use to describe that type of thought experiment. Come on Bruno, show us! My scanner does not work. But I found the diary, so I need just to think taking it next time I go at IRIDIA (and that someone show me how to find and use some scanner which should be there) ... Maybe it's easier to just find someone who would take a photo with a smartphone. Meanwhile, to console you, here is my last talk at IRIDIA. It is a playlist of 3 videos not yet publicly available on YouTube (you can't find it by searching on YT, but feel free to share). The sound in that room was terrible, so please believe I can be less bad---in english, but for the talk itself I missed some occasion to be clearer. I regret also my comment on atheism (which was not useful). My friends who did the video made a good job to save as much as possible from that bad sound though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW2WWQylbwMlist=PLvvqQQ-1XfwzKceR7ciJTtij3nj1PRtiYfeature=mh_lolz Feel free to comment, here or there. Thanks Bruno, nice! I will watch it this weekend. I noticed it's unlisted. I wanted to press like but I'm not sure you want it to be more public. Do you mind? Telmo. Have you seen if that author tackles the duplication theme? I don't think so, but (s)he makes fun of logicians: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/10 A bit a classical theme, yet I always laugh at such logician humor :) Bruno :) (Like in UDA or in the movie prestige). Let us know if and when (that should exist) you find one. I might scan my own comics and send it here. Cheers, Bruno Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: UDA video (was Re: saying no to the doctor...)
On 6 May 2014, at 12:17 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 May 2014, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal Meanwhile, to console you, here is my last talk at IRIDIA. It is a playlist of 3 videos not yet publicly available on YouTube (you can't find it by searching on YT, but feel free to share). The sound in that room was terrible, so please believe I can be less bad---in english, but for the talk itself I missed some occasion to be clearer. I regret also my comment on atheism (which was not useful). My friends who did the video made a good job to save as much as possible from that bad sound though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW2WWQylbwMlist=PLvvqQQ-1XfwzKceR7ciJTtij3nj1PRtiYfeature=mh_lolz Feel free to comment, here or there. Hey, that's really great!!! When do Parts 2 and 3 appear? The sound is not all that badsuper bien, Bruno! Kim Have you seen if that author tackles the duplication theme? I don't think so, but (s)he makes fun of logicians: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/10 A bit a classical theme, yet I always laugh at such logician humor :) Bruno :) (Like in UDA or in the movie prestige). Let us know if and when (that should exist) you find one. I might scan my own comics and send it here. Cheers, Bruno Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: UDA video (was Re: saying no to the doctor...)
On 06 May 2014, at 03:50, LizR wrote: First I get to see Max Tegmark giving a talk, and now you! :-) (Or at least I will when I have time.) Thanks. Feel free to comment, criticize, or object, or question anything I said. UDA is AUDA for the humans. AUDA is UDA for the machines. Bruno On 6 May 2014 02:17, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 May 2014, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 May 2014, at 14:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 LOL. Not bad. Actually I made myself comic trips to explain UDA in the earlier version. I was used to draw a lot. Comics are pretty to use to describe that type of thought experiment. Come on Bruno, show us! My scanner does not work. But I found the diary, so I need just to think taking it next time I go at IRIDIA (and that someone show me how to find and use some scanner which should be there) ... Meanwhile, to console you, here is my last talk at IRIDIA. It is a playlist of 3 videos not yet publicly available on YouTube (you can't find it by searching on YT, but feel free to share). The sound in that room was terrible, so please believe I can be less bad---in english, but for the talk itself I missed some occasion to be clearer. I regret also my comment on atheism (which was not useful). My friends who did the video made a good job to save as much as possible from that bad sound though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW2WWQylbwMlist=PLvvqQQ-1XfwzKceR7ciJTtij3nj1PRtiYfeature=mh_lolz Feel free to comment, here or there. Have you seen if that author tackles the duplication theme? I don't think so, but (s)he makes fun of logicians: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/10 A bit a classical theme, yet I always laugh at such logician humor :) Bruno :) (Like in UDA or in the movie prestige). Let us know if and when (that should exist) you find one. I might scan my own comics and send it here. Cheers, Bruno Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: UDA video (was Re: saying no to the doctor...)
On 06 May 2014, at 12:25, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 May 2014, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 May 2014, at 14:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 LOL. Not bad. Actually I made myself comic trips to explain UDA in the earlier version. I was used to draw a lot. Comics are pretty to use to describe that type of thought experiment. Come on Bruno, show us! My scanner does not work. But I found the diary, so I need just to think taking it next time I go at IRIDIA (and that someone show me how to find and use some scanner which should be there) ... Maybe it's easier to just find someone who would take a photo with a smartphone. I can try that too. Meanwhile, to console you, here is my last talk at IRIDIA. It is a playlist of 3 videos not yet publicly available on YouTube (you can't find it by searching on YT, but feel free to share). The sound in that room was terrible, so please believe I can be less bad---in english, but for the talk itself I missed some occasion to be clearer. I regret also my comment on atheism (which was not useful). My friends who did the video made a good job to save as much as possible from that bad sound though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW2WWQylbwMlist=PLvvqQQ-1XfwzKceR7ciJTtij3nj1PRtiYfeature=mh_lolz Feel free to comment, here or there. Thanks Bruno, nice! I will watch it this weekend. I noticed it's unlisted. I wanted to press like but I'm not sure you want it to be more public. Do you mind? Not at all, thanks! Bruno Telmo. Have you seen if that author tackles the duplication theme? I don't think so, but (s)he makes fun of logicians: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/10 A bit a classical theme, yet I always laugh at such logician humor :) Bruno :) (Like in UDA or in the movie prestige). Let us know if and when (that should exist) you find one. I might scan my own comics and send it here. Cheers, Bruno Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit
Re: UDA video (was Re: saying no to the doctor...)
On 06 May 2014, at 14:14, Kim Jones wrote: On 6 May 2014, at 12:17 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 May 2014, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal Meanwhile, to console you, here is my last talk at IRIDIA. It is a playlist of 3 videos not yet publicly available on YouTube (you can't find it by searching on YT, but feel free to share). The sound in that room was terrible, so please believe I can be less bad---in english, but for the talk itself I missed some occasion to be clearer. I regret also my comment on atheism (which was not useful). My friends who did the video made a good job to save as much as possible from that bad sound though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW2WWQylbwMlist=PLvvqQQ-1XfwzKceR7ciJTtij3nj1PRtiYfeature=mh_lolz Feel free to comment, here or there. Hey, that's really great!!! When do Parts 2 and 3 appear? Normally the address above is the address of the playlist, so normally you should get them, for example by clicking on the playlist icon at the bottom of the video. Tell me if you have a link problem. The sound is not all that bad I guess my accent might be a bit worst. super bien, Bruno! Merci Kim! Bruno Kim Have you seen if that author tackles the duplication theme? I don't think so, but (s)he makes fun of logicians: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/10 A bit a classical theme, yet I always laugh at such logician humor :) Bruno :) (Like in UDA or in the movie prestige). Let us know if and when (that should exist) you find one. I might scan my own comics and send it here. Cheers, Bruno Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: UDA video (was Re: saying no to the doctor...)
On 7 May 2014, at 2:45 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 06 May 2014, at 14:14, Kim Jones wrote: On 6 May 2014, at 12:17 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 May 2014, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal Meanwhile, to console you, here is my last talk at IRIDIA. It is a playlist of 3 videos not yet publicly available on YouTube (you can't find it by searching on YT, but feel free to share). The sound in that room was terrible, so please believe I can be less bad---in english, but for the talk itself I missed some occasion to be clearer. I regret also my comment on atheism (which was not useful). My friends who did the video made a good job to save as much as possible from that bad sound though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW2WWQylbwMlist=PLvvqQQ-1XfwzKceR7ciJTtij3nj1PRtiYfeature=mh_lolz Feel free to comment, here or there. Hey, that's really great!!! When do Parts 2 and 3 appear? Normally the address above is the address of the playlist, so normally you should get them, for example by clicking on the playlist icon at the bottom of the video. Tell me if you have a link problem. The sound is not all that bad I guess my accent might be a bit worst. Accent is wonderful. All English sounds more impressive with a French accent! Recall only that une expérience does not equate to an experiment in the mind of a native English speaker. I understand and accept the overlap in meaning in these terms, but feel that anyone listening to a live presentation would not immediately grasp this. Generally, I note that whenever you say experience you mean experiment. Cheers, K super bien, Bruno! Merci Kim! Bruno Kim Have you seen if that author tackles the duplication theme? I don't think so, but (s)he makes fun of logicians: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/10 A bit a classical theme, yet I always laugh at such logician humor :) Bruno :) (Like in UDA or in the movie prestige). Let us know if and when (that should exist) you find one. I might scan my own comics and send it here. Cheers, Bruno Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more
Re: UDA video (was Re: saying no to the doctor...)
I've added a comment to the YouTube video mentioning that Bruno means experiment when he says experience. (I hope that's OK). Once I've had time to listen to this I may have more to say :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: saying no to the doctor...
On 04 May 2014, at 21:18, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 Cheers, Telmo. So where do you stand on this Telmo? I suppose I've rather raised my hopes that your answer, like mine, is not straight forward. I have no explanation for consciousness. My current inclination is panpsychism. The problem here is twofold: 1) what pan refers to? (A physical world, then you need to say no to the doctor, Arithmetical truth? perhaps, if the brain is really a consciousness filter (I am still not sure if this makes really sense with comp). 2) what *is* psychisme (is it Turing emulable? if yes primitive matter is an illusion, and physics is a branch of theology, if not what is it?) Bruno Maybe just because I'm just lonely since Liz walked out on me...this vague cloud of abstraction never seemed so cavernous when she was around, her 70's punk echoing through the theory of nothing that - well you know itt wasn't a theory, but maybe it wasn't nuthin' neither. Hey, I like 70's punk rock too! Seriously, I saw a hint of scientific realism in something you said at some point. Nearly vanished but managed to block my ears when you started talking about consciousness not between the ears. Don't do that. I believe that science is the only valid tool we have to understand public reality. If you have a good consciousness between the ears theory then... I'm all ears. Other theories are ok too. My position is that what makes a theory scientific is it's falsifiability, that's all. It doesn't matter how weird the theory sounds, it only matters if it makes valid predictions or not. Common sense has been shown to be misleading many times, and to an amazing degree with quantum mechanics. I am not sure that consciousness will ever be investigated by science, because I'm not sure it will ever be possible to measure it or test for it's presence. In this case (or meanwhile), we have to make do with thought experiments and introspection on private reality. Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: saying no to the doctor...
On 04 May 2014, at 22:12, John Mikes wrote: Telmo, some 2+ decades ago I think I had a reason to avert from the topic called panpsychism (would be hard to recall it adequately now). As I remember I called the phenomenon covered by this misnomer PANSENSITIVITY (what I would not like to defend today anymore). Psych seems to me too 'human' to be applicable to the entire world (=Mme. Nature). The problem, as I said to Telmo, is that panpsychism is neutral on Aristotle/Plato, and as such does not say much things. What does pan refers too, and what *is* psychism. If psychism is Turing emulable (like the observation of bodies and brain suggests) then Nature is too much small, and itself an emergent information pattern in the mind of the 'numbers' (the person that we can associate to machine in that case). Why would you reduce the MWI reflexibility into ourflimsy human brainfunctions? (Even i f you extend them into human? mentality total). I don't understand this. Bruno On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 Cheers, Telmo. So where do you stand on this Telmo? I suppose I've rather raised my hopes that your answer, like mine, is not straight forward. I have no explanation for consciousness. My current inclination is panpsychism. Maybe just because I'm just lonely since Liz walked out on me...this vague cloud of abstraction never seemed so cavernous when she was around, her 70's punk echoing through the theory of nothing that - well you know itt wasn't a theory, but maybe it wasn't nuthin' neither. Hey, I like 70's punk rock too! Seriously, I saw a hint of scientific realism in something you said at some point. Nearly vanished but managed to block my ears when you started talking about consciousness not between the ears. Don't do that. I believe that science is the only valid tool we have to understand public reality. If you have a good consciousness between the ears theory then... I'm all ears. Other theories are ok too. My position is that what makes a theory scientific is it's falsifiability, that's all. It doesn't matter how weird the theory sounds, it only matters if it makes valid predictions or not. Common sense has been shown to be misleading many times, and to an amazing degree with quantum mechanics. I am not sure that consciousness will ever be investigated by science, because I'm not sure it will ever be possible to measure it or test for it's presence. In this case (or meanwhile), we have to make do with thought experiments and introspection on private reality. Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: saying no to the doctor...
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 10:12 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo, some 2+ decades ago I think I had a reason to avert from the topic called *panpsychism* (would be hard to recall it adequately now). As I remember I called the phenomenon covered by this misnomer PANSENSITIVITY (what I would not like to defend today anymore). Psych seems to me too 'human' to be applicable to the entire world (=Mme. Nature). Why would you reduce the MWI reflexibility into ourflimsy human brainfunctions? (Even i f you extend them into human? mentality total). John, Maybe I used the term incorrectly. What I mean by panpsychism is that I suspect that consciousness is a fundamental property of reality and not generated at a higher level by neuron interactions. So I see no reason to assume that my tea cup is not conscious, although I suspect that the contents of its experience are null, so it's if it was. I don't see consciousness as inherent to human beings. I am fully convinced that higher animal, at least, are conscious just like us. Telmo. On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 Cheers, Telmo. So where do you stand on this Telmo? I suppose I've rather raised my hopes that your answer, like mine, is not straight forward. I have no explanation for consciousness. My current inclination is panpsychism. Maybe just because I'm just lonely since Liz walked out on me...this vague cloud of abstraction never seemed so cavernous when she was around, her 70's punk echoing through the theory of nothing that - well you know itt wasn't a theory, but maybe it wasn't nuthin' neither. Hey, I like 70's punk rock too! Seriously, I saw a hint of scientific realism in something you said at some point. Nearly vanished but managed to block my ears when you started talking about consciousness not between the ears. Don't do that. I believe that science is the only valid tool we have to understand public reality. If you have a good consciousness between the ears theory then... I'm all ears. Other theories are ok too. My position is that what makes a theory scientific is it's falsifiability, that's all. It doesn't matter how weird the theory sounds, it only matters if it makes valid predictions or not. Common sense has been shown to be misleading many times, and to an amazing degree with quantum mechanics. I am not sure that consciousness will ever be investigated by science, because I'm not sure it will ever be possible to measure it or test for it's presence. In this case (or meanwhile), we have to make do with thought experiments and introspection on private reality. Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: saying no to the doctor...
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 May 2014, at 21:18, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 Cheers, Telmo. So where do you stand on this Telmo? I suppose I've rather raised my hopes that your answer, like mine, is not straight forward. I have no explanation for consciousness. My current inclination is panpsychism. The problem here is twofold: 1) what pan refers to? (A physical world, then you need to say no to the doctor, Arithmetical truth? perhaps, if the brain is really a consciousness filter (I am still not sure if this makes really sense with comp). 2) what *is* psychisme (is it Turing emulable? if yes primitive matter is an illusion, and physics is a branch of theology, if not what is it?) I just mean that I am inclined to see consciousness as fundamental, so I believe this puts me on the Platonic camp. The idea that physical reality is a dream of consciousness appeals to me. I think your theory provides a very compelling path to understanding how the dream(s) arise, but I don't think it can tell us what the dreamer is. I'm inclined to take the dreamer as fundamental, the absolute, god in a non-theistic sense... I also like your idea of machines introspecting. This leads us to something that match our intuitions: a dog is conscious, a tea cup is not. But not because the dog's brain magically generates consciousness, just because the dog's brain is capable of machine introspection, and thus capable of providing content to the dream. Telmo. Bruno Maybe just because I'm just lonely since Liz walked out on me...this vague cloud of abstraction never seemed so cavernous when she was around, her 70's punk echoing through the theory of nothing that - well you know itt wasn't a theory, but maybe it wasn't nuthin' neither. Hey, I like 70's punk rock too! Seriously, I saw a hint of scientific realism in something you said at some point. Nearly vanished but managed to block my ears when you started talking about consciousness not between the ears. Don't do that. I believe that science is the only valid tool we have to understand public reality. If you have a good consciousness between the ears theory then... I'm all ears. Other theories are ok too. My position is that what makes a theory scientific is it's falsifiability, that's all. It doesn't matter how weird the theory sounds, it only matters if it makes valid predictions or not. Common sense has been shown to be misleading many times, and to an amazing degree with quantum mechanics. I am not sure that consciousness will ever be investigated by science, because I'm not sure it will ever be possible to measure it or test for it's presence. In this case (or meanwhile), we have to make do with thought experiments and introspection on private reality. Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: saying no to the doctor...
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 May 2014, at 14:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 LOL. Not bad. Actually I made myself comic trips to explain UDA in the earlier version. I was used to draw a lot. Comics are pretty to use to describe that type of thought experiment. Come on Bruno, show us! Have you seen if that author tackles the duplication theme? I don't think so, but (s)he makes fun of logicians: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/10 :) (Like in UDA or in the movie prestige). Let us know if and when (that should exist) you find one. I might scan my own comics and send it here. Cheers, Bruno Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: saying no to the doctor...
On 05 May 2014, at 12:59, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 May 2014, at 21:18, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 Cheers, Telmo. So where do you stand on this Telmo? I suppose I've rather raised my hopes that your answer, like mine, is not straight forward. I have no explanation for consciousness. My current inclination is panpsychism. The problem here is twofold: 1) what pan refers to? (A physical world, then you need to say no to the doctor, Arithmetical truth? perhaps, if the brain is really a consciousness filter (I am still not sure if this makes really sense with comp). 2) what *is* psychisme (is it Turing emulable? if yes primitive matter is an illusion, and physics is a branch of theology, if not what is it?) I just mean that I am inclined to see consciousness as fundamental, Consciousness is fundamental. But not necessarily primitive. Indeed with computationalism, consciousness is a non computable reality related to truth or to the intersection of truth and belief. so I believe this puts me on the Platonic camp. OK. The idea that physical reality is a dream of consciousness appeals to me. I think your theory provides a very compelling path to understanding how the dream(s) arise, but I don't think it can tell us what the dreamer is. I'm inclined to take the dreamer as fundamental, the absolute, god in a non-theistic sense... Hmm I think currently that the dreamers are the 'machines' (that is intensional number, or number taken relatively to a universal system, programs if you want, relatively to a computer). God seems to be closer to some universal consciousness. It is what makes the meaning meaningful. Well, the inner god, at least. The outer god is the the ultimate reality (and is played by the concept of truth in Plato and comp). I also like your idea of machines introspecting. This leads us to something that match our intuitions: a dog is conscious, a tea cup is not. OK. Very plausibly so. I thought so, but was uneasy about how to interpret your use of panpsychism. But not because the dog's brain magically generates consciousness, just because the dog's brain is capable of machine introspection, and thus capable of providing content to the dream. OK. I still would say that the raw content of the dream is the consciousness' business, which eventually will be related to the sheaf of computations going through the relevant dogs brain. Bruno Telmo. Bruno Maybe just because I'm just lonely since Liz walked out on me...this vague cloud of abstraction never seemed so cavernous when she was around, her 70's punk echoing through the theory of nothing that - well you know itt wasn't a theory, but maybe it wasn't nuthin' neither. Hey, I like 70's punk rock too! Seriously, I saw a hint of scientific realism in something you said at some point. Nearly vanished but managed to block my ears when you started talking about consciousness not between the ears. Don't do that. I believe that science is the only valid tool we have to understand public reality. If you have a good consciousness between the ears theory then... I'm all ears. Other theories are ok too. My position is that what makes a theory scientific is it's falsifiability, that's all. It doesn't matter how weird the theory sounds, it only matters if it makes valid predictions or not. Common sense has been shown to be misleading many times, and to an amazing degree with quantum mechanics. I am not sure that consciousness will ever be investigated by science, because I'm not sure it will ever be possible to measure it or test for it's presence. In this case (or meanwhile), we have to make do with thought experiments and introspection on private reality. Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
UDA video (was Re: saying no to the doctor...)
On 05 May 2014, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 May 2014, at 14:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 LOL. Not bad. Actually I made myself comic trips to explain UDA in the earlier version. I was used to draw a lot. Comics are pretty to use to describe that type of thought experiment. Come on Bruno, show us! My scanner does not work. But I found the diary, so I need just to think taking it next time I go at IRIDIA (and that someone show me how to find and use some scanner which should be there) ... Meanwhile, to console you, here is my last talk at IRIDIA. It is a playlist of 3 videos not yet publicly available on YouTube (you can't find it by searching on YT, but feel free to share). The sound in that room was terrible, so please believe I can be less bad---in english, but for the talk itself I missed some occasion to be clearer. I regret also my comment on atheism (which was not useful). My friends who did the video made a good job to save as much as possible from that bad sound though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW2WWQylbwMlist=PLvvqQQ-1XfwzKceR7ciJTtij3nj1PRtiYfeature=mh_lolz Feel free to comment, here or there. Have you seen if that author tackles the duplication theme? I don't think so, but (s)he makes fun of logicians: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/10 A bit a classical theme, yet I always laugh at such logician humor :) Bruno :) (Like in UDA or in the movie prestige). Let us know if and when (that should exist) you find one. I might scan my own comics and send it here. Cheers, Bruno Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: UDA video (was Re: saying no to the doctor...)
First I get to see Max Tegmark giving a talk, and now you! :-) (Or at least I will when I have time.) On 6 May 2014 02:17, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 May 2014, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 May 2014, at 14:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 LOL. Not bad. Actually I made myself comic trips to explain UDA in the earlier version. I was used to draw a lot. Comics are pretty to use to describe that type of thought experiment. Come on Bruno, show us! My scanner does not work. But I found the diary, so I need just to think taking it next time I go at IRIDIA (and that someone show me how to find and use some scanner which should be there) ... Meanwhile, to console you, here is my last talk at IRIDIA. It is a playlist of 3 videos not yet publicly available on YouTube (you can't find it by searching on YT, but feel free to share). The sound in that room was terrible, so please believe I can be less bad---in english, but for the talk itself I missed some occasion to be clearer. I regret also my comment on atheism (which was not useful). My friends who did the video made a good job to save as much as possible from that bad sound though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW2WWQylbwMlist=PLvvqQQ-1XfwzKceR7ciJTtij3nj1PRtiYfeature=mh_lolz Feel free to comment, here or there. Have you seen if that author tackles the duplication theme? I don't think so, but (s)he makes fun of logicians: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/10 A bit a classical theme, yet I always laugh at such logician humor :) Bruno :) (Like in UDA or in the movie prestige). Let us know if and when (that should exist) you find one. I might scan my own comics and send it here. Cheers, Bruno Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
saying no to the doctor...
The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: saying no to the doctor...
On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 Cheers, Telmo. So where do you stand on this Telmo? I suppose I've rather raised my hopes that your answer, like mine, is not straight forward. Maybe just because I'm just lonely since Liz walked out on me...this vague cloud of abstraction never seemed so cavernous when she was around, her 70's punk echoing through the theory of nothing that - well you know itt wasn't a theory, but maybe it wasn't nuthin' neither. Seriously, I saw a hint of scientific realism in something you said at some point. Nearly vanished but managed to block my ears when you started talking about consciousness not between the ears. Don't do that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: saying no to the doctor...
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 Cheers, Telmo. So where do you stand on this Telmo? I suppose I've rather raised my hopes that your answer, like mine, is not straight forward. I have no explanation for consciousness. My current inclination is panpsychism. Maybe just because I'm just lonely since Liz walked out on me...this vague cloud of abstraction never seemed so cavernous when she was around, her 70's punk echoing through the theory of nothing that - well you know itt wasn't a theory, but maybe it wasn't nuthin' neither. Hey, I like 70's punk rock too! Seriously, I saw a hint of scientific realism in something you said at some point. Nearly vanished but managed to block my ears when you started talking about consciousness not between the ears. Don't do that. I believe that science is the only valid tool we have to understand public reality. If you have a good consciousness between the ears theory then... I'm all ears. Other theories are ok too. My position is that what makes a theory scientific is it's falsifiability, that's all. It doesn't matter how weird the theory sounds, it only matters if it makes valid predictions or not. Common sense has been shown to be misleading many times, and to an amazing degree with quantum mechanics. I am not sure that consciousness will ever be investigated by science, because I'm not sure it will ever be possible to measure it or test for it's presence. In this case (or meanwhile), we have to make do with thought experiments and introspection on private reality. Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: saying no to the doctor...
Telmo, some 2+ decades ago I think I had a reason to avert from the topic called *panpsychism* (would be hard to recall it adequately now). As I remember I called the phenomenon covered by this misnomer PANSENSITIVITY (what I would not like to defend today anymore). Psych seems to me too 'human' to be applicable to the entire world (=Mme. Nature). Why would you reduce the MWI reflexibility into ourflimsy human brainfunctions? (Even i f you extend them into human? mentality total). On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 Cheers, Telmo. So where do you stand on this Telmo? I suppose I've rather raised my hopes that your answer, like mine, is not straight forward. I have no explanation for consciousness. My current inclination is panpsychism. Maybe just because I'm just lonely since Liz walked out on me...this vague cloud of abstraction never seemed so cavernous when she was around, her 70's punk echoing through the theory of nothing that - well you know itt wasn't a theory, but maybe it wasn't nuthin' neither. Hey, I like 70's punk rock too! Seriously, I saw a hint of scientific realism in something you said at some point. Nearly vanished but managed to block my ears when you started talking about consciousness not between the ears. Don't do that. I believe that science is the only valid tool we have to understand public reality. If you have a good consciousness between the ears theory then... I'm all ears. Other theories are ok too. My position is that what makes a theory scientific is it's falsifiability, that's all. It doesn't matter how weird the theory sounds, it only matters if it makes valid predictions or not. Common sense has been shown to be misleading many times, and to an amazing degree with quantum mechanics. I am not sure that consciousness will ever be investigated by science, because I'm not sure it will ever be possible to measure it or test for it's presence. In this case (or meanwhile), we have to make do with thought experiments and introspection on private reality. Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: saying no to the doctor...
I'm back! I lost my desire to post due to an existential crisis, but now I've regained it thanks to the above comic. On 5 May 2014 08:12, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo, some 2+ decades ago I think I had a reason to avert from the topic called *panpsychism* (would be hard to recall it adequately now). As I remember I called the phenomenon covered by this misnomer PANSENSITIVITY (what I would not like to defend today anymore). Psych seems to me too 'human' to be applicable to the entire world (=Mme. Nature). Why would you reduce the MWI reflexibility into ourflimsy human brainfunctions? (Even i f you extend them into human? mentality total). On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 Cheers, Telmo. So where do you stand on this Telmo? I suppose I've rather raised my hopes that your answer, like mine, is not straight forward. I have no explanation for consciousness. My current inclination is panpsychism. Maybe just because I'm just lonely since Liz walked out on me...this vague cloud of abstraction never seemed so cavernous when she was around, her 70's punk echoing through the theory of nothing that - well you know itt wasn't a theory, but maybe it wasn't nuthin' neither. Hey, I like 70's punk rock too! Seriously, I saw a hint of scientific realism in something you said at some point. Nearly vanished but managed to block my ears when you started talking about consciousness not between the ears. Don't do that. I believe that science is the only valid tool we have to understand public reality. If you have a good consciousness between the ears theory then... I'm all ears. Other theories are ok too. My position is that what makes a theory scientific is it's falsifiability, that's all. It doesn't matter how weird the theory sounds, it only matters if it makes valid predictions or not. Common sense has been shown to be misleading many times, and to an amazing degree with quantum mechanics. I am not sure that consciousness will ever be investigated by science, because I'm not sure it will ever be possible to measure it or test for it's presence. In this case (or meanwhile), we have to make do with thought experiments and introspection on private reality. Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: saying no to the doctor...
On 04 May 2014, at 14:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 LOL. Not bad. Actually I made myself comic trips to explain UDA in the earlier version. I was used to draw a lot. Comics are pretty to use to describe that type of thought experiment. Have you seen if that author tackles the duplication theme? (Like in UDA or in the movie prestige). Let us know if and when (that should exist) you find one. I might scan my own comics and send it here. Cheers, Bruno Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
