[FairfieldLife] forwarded text of a Fairfeild Jyotishi on new Shuttle launch time
Dear Friends: The second attempt to launch the Space Shuttle Discovery takes place tomorrow, July 26th, at 10:39 a.m. Here are the chart details: July 26, 2005 10:39 a.m. Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA Timezone: 5 DST: 1 80W36'18 28N24'20 Virgo Rising Sign, 00:21 degrees. In viewing this chart, there are a number of concerns. Mercury, ruling the chart and therefore the health and longevity of the Shuttle, is weak in old age, and is under the wide aspect of Rahu, ruling explosions and unexpected calamities. Mercury is ruled by the Moon, which is also closely afflicted by Rahu. The operating planet, Venus, the natural signficator for conveyances and ruling the second house of status and continuation of family life, is badly placed in the twelfth house of losses and expenses. The ruler of the twelfth house, Sun, is closely afflicted by the functional malefic Saturn, ruling the sixth house of fire and conflicts. (Saturn is combust and under the aspect affliction of Mars, the eighth ruler of delays, obstructions, accidents and deathlike experiences.) Sun, representing government, and ruling the twelfth house of losses, is also weak on account of the weakness of its dispositor, the afflicted Moon. The well placed Jupiter, ruling the fourth house of conveyances, and Mars, placed in its own mooltrikona sign, may be helpful, but it seems that overall the chart is connected with losses, explosions, accidents, obstructions, delays, etc. Once again, I predict a cancellation of the launch, or serious problems with the mission. Let's pray for the welfare of the crew and their families. Best wishes, David Hawthorne, M.S., J.B. President, IIPA http://www.iipa.net To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > I'd suggest it gets whittled back to making > the kinds of distinctions that are necessary > for survival, albeit perhaps survival more > broadly defined than the merely keep-me-alive- > long-enough-to-pass-on-my-genes variety. I think it goes back to overshadoing of Self. Distinction-making that overshadows Self is not supported in enlightenment. Survival issues, or whatever, are not directly germane. Perhaps there's a Darwinian component, but as some have pointed out, the call for celibacy on the part of their students by many who are deemed enlightened is quite possibly self-defeating from an evolutionary perspective. If the people who become enlightened don't pass on their genes, then... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just ask him. > > > Great self-portrait of you! Thanks for sharing. You know, I took a look at that picture and felt a little stirring in my heart. I was surprised, because usually guru pictures don't do anything for me. Then I realized it was because he bears a faint resemblance to a former boyfriend I've never stopped caring about... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > It doesn't "deny" it, Rory. The mind--the intellect-- > > > is designed to be *ignorant* of Perfection Now. > > > It cannot be any other way or it would be useless for > > > physical survival. > > > > Interesting! Is that true? My understanding is the only thing it > > was really concerned with was its own survival *as a separate > > entity,* with the assumption of separation allowing it (in my > > case) to continually judge itself as better than/less than > > the "other," etc. > > Yes, Rory, evolution operates on the level > of biology. Biologically, we're separate > individuals, and our physical survival as > individuals--and as a species, at least in > a state of nature--requires a mental apparatus > that is designed for making distinctions: > this is a stick, that is a poisonous snake. > > Evolutionarily speaking, the mind was not designed > to assist us in realizing Unity. That we are > capable of realizing Unity is a peculiar artefact > of self-consciousness. > > It's not the case that the mind is lazy or naughty > or malfunctioning when it defends itself. It's > working just as it was designed to work. Sorry, I keep having further thoughts on this: The mind can certainly get into making distinctions that go way beyond what's needed for survival, to the point where it becomes actually *harmful* to the physical survival of the individual, even the entire species. > > > And I'd take a wild guess and say that the intellect > > > continues to be ignorant of Perfection Now after > > > realization as well. > > > > Maybe so. My understanding is that the old intellect virtually > > disappears into something more like moment-to-moment intuition or > > appreciation of the continuously emerging miracle of here-now. I'd suggest it gets whittled back to making the kinds of distinctions that are necessary for survival, albeit perhaps survival more broadly defined than the merely keep-me-alive- long-enough-to-pass-on-my-genes variety. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > So atheists can't be in GC or UC? > > > > > > Please define atheist. > > > > Technically, someone who doesn't believe in a deity... > > Why would someone who didn't believe in God want to merge with Him? I > don't get it. What does an atheist believe in? So only someone who "believes" can become enlightened? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > It appears to me to be more like waking up > > > doesn't mean you can recall the dream. > > > > You'd better watch out, Judy, I am starting to disbelieve you are > > in ignorance, again :-) > > No, see, that conclusion is purely a product > of the distinction-making intellect. It's > based on observation of the kinds of things > realized people tend to say. It's as if you > all need to be reeducated as to what it was > like for you before you awakened, at least if > you expect to be able to converse with those > in ignorance. I don't mean to sound snappish, by the way. I'm just trying to be as clear as I possibly can be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > Sutphen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Just be. > > > > > > > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. > > > > > > "Try to just be"? > > > > No try, just do. > > > Just ask him. > Great self-portrait of you! Thanks for sharing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [I wrote:] > > > > It appears to me to be more like waking up > > > > doesn't mean you can recall the dream. > > > > > > You see the dream exactly for what it is, not real. > > > > That's right. What you don't recall is > > that when you were having it, it was as real > > as it could be. > > Only due to a lack of contrast with something "more real," I think, > though perhaps physiological studies will suggest something > different. Sounds on the nose to me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So atheists can't be in GC or UC? > > > > Please define atheist. > > Technically, someone who doesn't believe in a deity... Why would someone who didn't believe in God want to merge with Him? I don't get it. What does an atheist believe in? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [I wrote:] > > > It appears to me to be more like waking up > > > doesn't mean you can recall the dream. > > > > You see the dream exactly for what it is, not real. > > That's right. What you don't recall is > that when you were having it, it was as real > as it could be. Only due to a lack of contrast with something "more real," I think, though perhaps physiological studies will suggest something different. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [I wrote:] > > It appears to me to be more like waking up > > doesn't mean you can recall the dream. > > You see the dream exactly for what it is, not real. That's right. What you don't recall is that when you were having it, it was as real as it could be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > It worries me a little to think what might happen > > > if a significant number of people become realized. > > > If they all behave like this--with the best will > > > in the world--toward those still in ignorance, > > > there's going to be trouble. > > > > One further thought: unconditional love and > > compassion is not the same as empathy. > > Without empathy--and a good healthy dose > > of common sense--unconditional love and > > compassion may end up doing more harm than > > good. > > > > Empathizing doesn't mean accepting; it *does* > > mean being able to acknowledge, and to tread > > carefully. > > I *do* acknowledge your assessment of your condition, and that for > you your assessment of you is realer than mine is of you (as of > course it must and should be, if we are separate); but what is it I > am to tread carefully around? *Feelings*. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It appears to me to be more like waking up > > doesn't mean you can recall the dream. > > You'd better watch out, Judy, I am starting to disbelieve you are > in ignorance, again :-) No, see, that conclusion is purely a product of the distinction-making intellect. It's based on observation of the kinds of things realized people tend to say. It's as if you all need to be reeducated as to what it was like for you before you awakened, at least if you expect to be able to converse with those in ignorance. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > Yes, I think I understand what you are saying here -- you insist > that ignorance is real, not merely a belief -- but the distinction > is still somewhat moot to me. I am not speaking of a casual surface- > mind belief here, but rather the core-belief in self-other > separation, something believed with the entire (conscious) bodymind. I think using the term "belief" muddles rather than clarifies. > > > The best it can do is deny Perfection Now > > > > It doesn't "deny" it, Rory. The mind--the intellect-- > > is designed to be *ignorant* of Perfection Now. > > Yes, I found that ignorance to be an active (albeit previously- > unconscious) denial or *ignoring* of Wholeness. That's what you find it *now*. That is not what you found it *then*. > It > > cannot be any other way or it would be useless for > > physical survival. > > Interesting! Is that true? My understanding is the only thing it > was really concerned with was its own survival *as a separate > entity,* with the assumption of separation allowing it (in my case) > to continually judge itself as better than/less than the "other," > etc. Yes, Rory, evolution operates on the level of biology. Biologically, we're separate individuals, and our physical survival as individuals--and as a species, at least in a state of nature--requires a mental apparatus that is designed for making distinctions: this is a stick, that is a poisonous snake. Evolutionarily speaking, the mind was not designed to assist us in realizing Unity. That we are capable of realizing Unity is a peculiar artefact of self-consciousness. It's not the case that the mind is lazy or naughty or malfunctioning when it defends itself. It's working just as it was designed to work. > It did not prove to be necessary (in its old form) for physical > survival of the bodymind as US in perfection-now, at any rate. Think about it a little more. > > And I'd take a wild guess and say that the intellect > > continues to be ignorant of Perfection Now after > > realization as well. > > Maybe so. My understanding is that the old intellect virtually > disappears into something more like moment-to-moment intuition or > appreciation of the continuously emerging miracle of here-now. Yeah, but it's still making distinctions. The traffic light is green, the traffic light is red. This is a bottle of milk, this is a bottle of drain cleaner. > > Maybe it awakens or stimulates some, but any > > such statements that don't begin, "I know this > > is not your current reality, but my reality is..." > > But you see, I *don't* know that this is not your current reality, > other than by your telling me so. I am beginning to believe you, > though :-) Believe it. That's what ignorance is, Rory. See? You've forgotten. You're ignorant of ignorance. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "jim_flanegin" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > All the stories about our experience prior to > > > > awakening are rendered useless though, in my > > > > experience. > > > > > > Which may be why, as I've been suggesting, > > > there's this huge disconnect between the > > > enlightened and the ignorant in terms of > > > communication. > > > > > > It seems to me that as useless as > > > pre-enlightenment experience stories may > > > seem to the enlightened, they need to > > > realize and acknowledge how very real they > > > are to those in ignorance. That's the > > > reality we're dealing with, even if it's > > > obviously unreal to the enlightened. > > > > But its no more unreal than the enlightened > > experience... > > Enlightenment is not an experience.. > Within the paradigm of "state of consciousness," its a physiological state, as are all relative "experiences." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Try to just be"? > > > > > > > > > > > > No try, just do. > > > > > > > > > > Do be? > > > > > > > > To do is to be -- Socrates > > > > > > > > To be is to do -- Kant > > > > > > > > Doo-be-doo-be-doo -- Sinatra > > > > > > Scoobie Dobbie Do --Sara Michelle Geller? > > > > Nice :-) > > The Scoobie thing has been around for a while, but I added the bit > about Ms Geller... Y'all owe me one for setting you up so nicely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So atheists can't be in GC or UC? > > Please define atheist. Technically, someone who doesn't believe in a deity... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened > > > > > > > > > > Do they? > > > > > > > > So it would seem. Going into the house doesn't mean that you > can't > > > > see the garden and all that... > > > > > > It appears to me to be more like waking up > > > doesn't mean you can recall the dream. > > > > But its still a dream. And I'm going by what others have claimed, > > not my own limited experience because a taste of enlightenement may > > not be anything like the "real" thing. > > I'm going by what I've heard too... Mountain is just a mountain... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Try to just be"? > > > > > > > > > > No try, just do. > > > > > > > > Do be? > > > > > > To do is to be -- Socrates > > > > > > To be is to do -- Kant > > > > > > Doo-be-doo-be-doo -- Sinatra > > > > Scoobie Dobbie Do --Sara Michelle Geller? > > Nice :-) The Scoobie thing has been around for a while, but I added the bit about Ms Geller... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree. that's why people take up intense hobbies like mountain > climbing, etc., that forces the concentration into the pure present. > I've had that experience in music, art, sports, etc. in music, it's > called "in the groove" . Presence man, it's really cool daddy O. > Some simply have Attention Deficit Dis > Mark > > On 7/25/05, authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Just be. > > > > > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. > > > > "Try to just be"? > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--My experience is similar to this. Realizing that the past really dosen't exist, except in my mind, and that a lot of my perceptions of the past, change with time, and that letting go of being able to or wanting to change anything of the past.. Also, realizing that no one can really understand anyone else; you can't really know someone else's experiece, really, and no one can ever know your's, really. So, it really doesn't matter if you are misunderstood, or not understood at all. Anything that can convince your ego, that it doesn't know the whole story, and that any postition which you hold on any topic, can be re-evaluated and adjusted, so, you really don't have to hold on to any preconcieved notion of anything. Enlightenment provides, freedom in the present to just Be. Being means just witnessing everything which is taking place in the mind, the heart, the enviornment, the energy flowing through your body, the energy flowing through everything. The more engaged you can be in witnessing, the more present you can be, and the more present you can be, the less you are involved in the past or in the future... - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [..] > > > I totally understand and agree. No one can provide the experience > of > > > awakening to you, or for you. You will awaken fully on your own, > > > when you get intensely and completely frustrated with not being > > > awake. > > > > Perhaps you confuse the intensity of the frustration with the cause > of > > the awakening? > > Not really. The intensity of my frustration, combined with the > bottoming out of my stories, my not being able to live in the past and > future any longer, brought the desired result. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [..] > > I totally understand and agree. No one can provide the experience of > > awakening to you, or for you. You will awaken fully on your own, > > when you get intensely and completely frustrated with not being > > awake. > > Perhaps you confuse the intensity of the frustration with the cause of > the awakening? Not really. The intensity of my frustration, combined with the bottoming out of my stories, my not being able to live in the past and future any longer, brought the desired result. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just be. > > > > > > > > > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. > > > > > > > > "Try to just be"? > > > > > > No try, just do. > > > > Do be? > > To do is to be -- Socrates > > To be is to do -- Kant > > Doo-be-doo-be-doo -- Sinatra Ba-dum-BUM! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] > > That is what awakening is like. We are continually uncovering pieces > > of the Reality, without completely realizing what we are doing while > > we are doing it, and at the same time, uncovering just enough to both > > spur us on with our partial success, and increase our desire, our > > thirst, to uncover more. > > Sounds like the Buddha is very alive, to me... Yes, the Buddha is very much alive. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So atheists can't be in GC or UC? Please define atheist. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] > > Personally I go with Rory's account- getting so sick of not being > > enlightened; unable to intellectually resolve the duality, that it > > is then easier to become awakened, enlightened, Brahman, no > > boundaries. > > > > Because in every case of awakening, there is intention, strong > > intention. And that intention resolves itself the way any other > > intention does, by becoming real. There is no trick or 'magic > > bullet' to it. It is purely and absolutely a matter of wanting > > something badly enough that you are willing to give up everything in > > order to get it. > > > > Challenge ruthlessly, non-stop, every concept and idea and feeling > > of yourself and your world and everyone in it, until there is > > nothing left. Then you will wake up. > > So you've killed the buddha how many times, now? It doesn't matter, does it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened > > > > > > > > Do they? > > > > > > So it would seem. Going into the house doesn't mean that you can't > > > see the garden and all that... > > > > It appears to me to be more like waking up > > doesn't mean you can recall the dream. > > But its still a dream. And I'm going by what others have claimed, > not my own limited experience because a taste of enlightenement may > not be anything like the "real" thing. I'm going by what I've heard too... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
It's easy to practise being in the present. Just embrase nature and listen to the stillness. Mark On 7/25/05, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The thing about being in the present is that you can't consider the > past or the future, the breath should stop, breathless state like when > I'm driving and realize that I haven't been breathing for minutes, > thoughtless ness. Language takes people out of That because language > is purely a past future experience. Have you ever noticed that > civilisation is built on a complete future paradigm of "how good it's > gonna get when". Nature is an "in the present experience" because > death is part of the whole thing, fully embrassed. Walking in nature's > world is an experience in the present, no language. This is healing. > > Mark > > On 7/25/05, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree. that's why people take up intense hobbies like mountain > > climbing, etc., that forces the concentration into the pure present. > > I've had that experience in music, art, sports, etc. in music, it's > > called "in the groove" . Presence man, it's really cool daddy O. > > > > Mark > > > > On 7/25/05, authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Just be. > > > > > > > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. > > > > > > "Try to just be"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
The thing about being in the present is that you can't consider the past or the future, the breath should stop, breathless state like when I'm driving and realize that I haven't been breathing for minutes, thoughtless ness. Language takes people out of That because language is purely a past future experience. Have you ever noticed that civilisation is built on a complete future paradigm of "how good it's gonna get when". Nature is an "in the present experience" because death is part of the whole thing, fully embrassed. Walking in nature's world is an experience in the present, no language. This is healing. Mark On 7/25/05, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree. that's why people take up intense hobbies like mountain > climbing, etc., that forces the concentration into the pure present. > I've had that experience in music, art, sports, etc. in music, it's > called "in the groove" . Presence man, it's really cool daddy O. > > Mark > > On 7/25/05, authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Just be. > > > > > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. > > > > "Try to just be"? > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
I agree. that's why people take up intense hobbies like mountain climbing, etc., that forces the concentration into the pure present. I've had that experience in music, art, sports, etc. in music, it's called "in the groove" . Presence man, it's really cool daddy O. Mark On 7/25/05, authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Just be. > > > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. > > "Try to just be"? > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
Slideshow | Print at Home | Order Prints | Save to: My Yahoo! Photos or My Computer Click a photo to view a larger version on Yahoo! Photos. See links above for more options. --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Just be. > > > > > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. > > > > "Try to just be"? > > No try, just do. Just ask him. Bhagavan+M aharshi+2 The larger versions of these photos will be available until October 23, 2005 (90 days) Share your pictures with PhotoMail from Yahoo! Mail. Learn More Go to Yahoo! Photos To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > The enlightened remember what its like NOT to > be enlightened > > > > > > Do they? > > > > So it would seem. Going into the house doesn't > mean that you can't > > see the garden and all that... > > It appears to me to be more like waking up > doesn't mean you can recall the dream. You see the dream exactly for what it is, not real. It has no more reality than thinking about a purple pickle in this very moment. But the maya is not the big deal.being nothingjust Being... > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > All the stories about our experience prior to > > > awakening are rendered useless though, in my > > > experience. > > > > Which may be why, as I've been suggesting, > > there's this huge disconnect between the > > enlightened and the ignorant in terms of > > communication. > > > > It seems to me that as useless as > > pre-enlightenment experience stories may > > seem to the enlightened, they need to > > realize and acknowledge how very real they > > are to those in ignorance. That's the > > reality we're dealing with, even if it's > > obviously unreal to the enlightened. > > But its no more unreal than the enlightened > experience... Enlightenment is not an experience.. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just be. > > > > > > > > > > > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. > > > > > > > > > > "Try to just be"? > > > > > > > > No try, just do. > > > > > > Do be? > > > > To do is to be -- Socrates > > > > To be is to do -- Kant > > > > Doo-be-doo-be-doo -- Sinatra > > Scoobie Dobbie Do --Sara Michelle Geller? Nice :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just be. > > > > > > > > > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. > > > > > > > > "Try to just be"? > > > > > > No try, just do. > > > > Do be? > > To do is to be -- Socrates > > To be is to do -- Kant > > Doo-be-doo-be-doo -- Sinatra Scoobie Dobbie Do --Sara Michelle Geller? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It worries me a little to think what might happen > > if a significant number of people become realized. > > If they all behave like this--with the best will > > in the world--toward those still in ignorance, > > there's going to be trouble. > > One further thought: unconditional love and > compassion is not the same as empathy. > Without empathy--and a good healthy dose > of common sense--unconditional love and > compassion may end up doing more harm than > good. > > Empathizing doesn't mean accepting; it *does* > mean being able to acknowledge, and to tread > carefully. I *do* acknowledge your assessment of your condition, and that for you your assessment of you is realer than mine is of you (as of course it must and should be, if we are separate); but what is it I am to tread carefully around? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, was going to say "obscure?" My irony meter wasn't working very > well for a moment... :-D To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Just be. > > > > > > > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. > > > > > > "Try to just be"? > > > > No try, just do. > > Do be? To do is to be -- Socrates To be is to do -- Kant Doo-be-doo-be-doo -- Sinatra To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened > > > > > > Do they? > > > > So it would seem. Going into the house doesn't mean that you can't > > see the garden and all that... > > It appears to me to be more like waking up > doesn't mean you can recall the dream. You'd better watch out, Judy, I am starting to disbelieve you are in ignorance, again :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It would be for you, assuming you're realized. No, I am not realized; *au contraire* I am falsified, slain, dismembered, scattered to the winds of Love by remembering Reality IS :-) > That doesn't mean that's what it is for those > of us who aren't realized. Yes, I see. Thank You, my love! :-) > > > I only meant to > > point out how my "awakening" appeared to me, and how my > > previous "ignorance" seemed to work in denying the ever-present > > awakening. I realize that this may be of no great benefit to the > > conscious mind of anyone believing themselves to be in ignorance, > > It's of no great benefit to the conscious mind > of anyone who *IS* in ignorance. Yes, I think I understand what you are saying here -- you insist that ignorance is real, not merely a belief -- but the distinction is still somewhat moot to me. I am not speaking of a casual surface- mind belief here, but rather the core-belief in self-other separation, something believed with the entire (conscious) bodymind. > > but I am not particularly interested in that part of the conscious > > mind, anyhow. > > Yes, but WE are! Yes, here's where I am probably of much less help than Byron Katie would be :-) > > The best it can do is deny Perfection Now > > It doesn't "deny" it, Rory. The mind--the intellect-- > is designed to be *ignorant* of Perfection Now. Yes, I found that ignorance to be an active (albeit previously- unconscious) denial or *ignoring* of Wholeness. It > cannot be any other way or it would be useless for > physical survival. Interesting! Is that true? My understanding is the only thing it was really concerned with was its own survival *as a separate entity,* with the assumption of separation allowing it (in my case) to continually judge itself as better than/less than the "other," etc. It did not prove to be necessary (in its old form) for physical survival of the bodymind as US in perfection-now, at any rate. > And I'd take a wild guess and say that the intellect > continues to be ignorant of Perfection Now after > realization as well. Maybe so. My understanding is that the old intellect virtually disappears into something more like moment-to-moment intuition or appreciation of the continuously emerging miracle of here-now. But to that part which is > realized, this too is Perfection Now. Yes, quite True, it all is :-) > > (like an > > addiction to the past or future) until it bottoms out and gives up > > into what IS. I am speaking rather to and for the part of Us that > > knows the Truth -- to awaken or stimulate the US that always IS. > > Maybe it awakens or stimulates some, but any > such statements that don't begin, "I know this > is not your current reality, but my reality is..." But you see, I *don't* know that this is not your current reality, other than by your telling me so. I am beginning to believe you, though :-) > just serve to put me off. There's no reason > you have to convey these Truths as if they *were* > my reality and I was just being willfully > stubborn in not acknowledging them. I cannot at all pretend to speak for your reality as a separate being, Judy, nor am I *ever* able to comment on any idea of your possessing willful stubborness or lack thereof, as in my Heart of Hearts, you do not exist *as a separate being* any more than I do. Anything I comment upon, is *always* some element of myself alone. "You" and "I" are mingling waves of the Love of Us is about the best I can put it, or maybe "you" are one beautifully-clear mirror-facet of "I". So I am not attempting to comment on your qualities as a separate reality; I can only ever comment on how it all looked to me upon "awakening" -- as Jim reminds us, Truth is different, etc. :-) > It worries me a little to think what might happen > if a significant number of people become realized. > If they all behave like this--with the best will > in the world--toward those still in ignorance, > there's going to be trouble. Yes, maybe "death, dismemberment and scattering to the winds of Love" :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It worries me a little to think what might happen > if a significant number of people become realized. > If they all behave like this--with the best will > in the world--toward those still in ignorance, > there's going to be trouble. One further thought: unconditional love and compassion is not the same as empathy. Without empathy--and a good healthy dose of common sense--unconditional love and compassion may end up doing more harm than good. Empathizing doesn't mean accepting; it *does* mean being able to acknowledge, and to tread carefully. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened > > > > > > Do they? > > > > So it would seem. Going into the house doesn't mean that you can't > > see the garden and all that... > > It appears to me to be more like waking up > doesn't mean you can recall the dream. But its still a dream. And I'm going by what others have claimed, not my own limited experience because a taste of enlightenement may not be anything like the "real" thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter > > book myself :-) > > > > > > How very very interesting, my wife is reading it, and I will be > reading it after. Wow. > > I take your point; how very unusual that we are all on the same > wavelength, simultaneously reading such an obscure children's book! It > would be different if it were an international best-seller or > something of course... Yeah, was going to say "obscure?" My irony meter wasn't working very well for a moment... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Just be. > > > > > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. > > > > "Try to just be"? > > No try, just do. Do be? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > All the stories about our experience prior to > > awakening are rendered useless though, in my > > experience. > > Which may be why, as I've been suggesting, > there's this huge disconnect between the > enlightened and the ignorant in terms of > communication. > > It seems to me that as useless as > pre-enlightenment experience stories may > seem to the enlightened, they need to > realize and acknowledge how very real they > are to those in ignorance. That's the > reality we're dealing with, even if it's > obviously unreal to the enlightened. But its no more unreal than the enlightened experience... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened > > > > Do they? > > So it would seem. Going into the house doesn't mean that you can't > see the garden and all that... It appears to me to be more like waking up doesn't mean you can recall the dream. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [..] > I totally understand and agree. No one can provide the experience of > awakening to you, or for you. You will awaken fully on your own, > when you get intensely and completely frustrated with not being > awake. Perhaps you confuse the intensity of the frustration with the cause of the awakening? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Just be. > > > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. > > "Try to just be"? No try, just do. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick > > Gillam" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like watching Doug Henning perform his > > > > > > close-up magic. Intellectually you know > > it's > > > > > > a trick, but that doesn't help you see > > through > > > > > > it, because it's so well done. Something > > *else* > > > > > > has to happen for you to perceive the trick. > > > > > > > > > > That's what everyone who is attached to > > attachment says. :-) > > > > > > > > I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been > > told > > > > all this creation around me is an illusion, and > > I'm > > > > inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, > > but for > > > > the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my > > > > > > perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm > > actually > > > > creating it or how I'm being deceived. > > > > > > > > As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of > > that? > > > > I could gain by loosening my attachment to > > attachment? > > > > I'll see the illusion? If you'd like to > > elaborate, Barry, > > > > please feel free. > > > > > > > > > > What *I* was told is that in Unity, the illusion > > is thinking that > > > there is a distinction between "reality" and > > "Reality." > > > > Unity is seeing the same God within thee that one > > sees in me. > > Brahman is also recognizing the color of shirt you > > are wearing ;) > > If you can find a "thee" or "me" in Unity I'll mail > you $50. > Madam I *am* London... Thee and Me and them and they and none of the above and all, or so I've heard. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened > > Do they? So it would seem. Going into the house doesn't mean that you can't see the garden and all that... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > That is what awakening is like. We are continually uncovering pieces > of the Reality, without completely realizing what we are doing while > we are doing it, and at the same time, uncovering just enough to both > spur us on with our partial success, and increase our desire, our > thirst, to uncover more. Sounds like the Buddha is very alive, to me... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It's like watching Doug Henning perform his > > > > > close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's > > > > > a trick, but that doesn't help you see through > > > > > it, because it's so well done. Something *else* > > > > > has to happen for you to perceive the trick. > > > > > > > > That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) > > > > > > I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been told > > > all this creation around me is an illusion, and I'm > > > inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, but for > > > the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my > > > perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm actually > > > creating it or how I'm being deceived. > > > > > > As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of that? > > > I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? > > > I'll see the illusion? If you'd like to elaborate, Barry, > > > please feel free. > > > > > > > What *I* was told is that in Unity, the illusion is thinking that > > there is a distinction between "reality" and "Reality." > > Unity is seeing the same God within thee that one sees in me. > Brahman is also recognizing the color of shirt you are wearing ;) So atheists can't be in GC or UC? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > Personally I go with Rory's account- getting so sick of not being > enlightened; unable to intellectually resolve the duality, that it > is then easier to become awakened, enlightened, Brahman, no > boundaries. > > Because in every case of awakening, there is intention, strong > intention. And that intention resolves itself the way any other > intention does, by becoming real. There is no trick or 'magic > bullet' to it. It is purely and absolutely a matter of wanting > something badly enough that you are willing to give up everything in > order to get it. > > Challenge ruthlessly, non-stop, every concept and idea and feeling > of yourself and your world and everyone in it, until there is > nothing left. Then you will wake up. So you've killed the buddha how many times, now? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > I think it's the attachment to there being some "trick" > > > > or "something else" that "has to happen" before we > > > > realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the > > > > realization of enlightenment. > > > > > > I completely agree. Subtle (or not-so-subtle) denial of the > > > perfection of "this Now" in favor of some imaginary or > conceptual > > > not-Now appears to be the foundation of (belief in) ignorance. > > > > It's not just denial or conceptual or imaginary > > or belief, Rory. > > Actually, as far as I can see, that is precisely what it is. Could > be completely wrong, of course :-) It would be for you, assuming you're realized. That doesn't mean that's what it is for those of us who aren't realized. > > And that formulation--unintentionally in your case, > > I'm sure--is insulting and demeaning to those whose > > living reality it is. > > It's certainly not my intent to insult or demean anyone, Judy; That's why I said, "unintentionally in your case, I'm sure"! > most > emphatically not You; I love you with all my heart. Bless you. > I only meant to > point out how my "awakening" appeared to me, and how my > previous "ignorance" seemed to work in denying the ever-present > awakening. I realize that this may be of no great benefit to the > conscious mind of anyone believing themselves to be in ignorance, It's of no great benefit to the conscious mind of anyone who *IS* in ignorance. > but I am not particularly interested in that part of the conscious > mind, anyhow. Yes, but WE are! > The best it can do is deny Perfection Now It doesn't "deny" it, Rory. The mind--the intellect-- is designed to be *ignorant* of Perfection Now. It cannot be any other way or it would be useless for physical survival. And I'd take a wild guess and say that the intellect continues to be ignorant of Perfection Now after realization as well. But to that part which is realized, this too is Perfection Now. > (like an > addiction to the past or future) until it bottoms out and gives up > into what IS. I am speaking rather to and for the part of Us that > knows the Truth -- to awaken or stimulate the US that always IS. Maybe it awakens or stimulates some, but any such statements that don't begin, "I know this is not your current reality, but my reality is..." just serve to put me off. There's no reason you have to convey these Truths as if they *were* my reality and I was just being willfully stubborn in not acknowledging them. It worries me a little to think what might happen if a significant number of people become realized. If they all behave like this--with the best will in the world--toward those still in ignorance, there's going to be trouble. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm reading Carl Hiaasen's 'Skinny Dip' (fiction), a comedy set in > South Florida, and just started 'Eyeing the Flash- The Education of > A Carnival Con Artist' (non-fiction) by Peter Fenton. > > The first one is really good- fun and well written, almost done. The > second one is OK, colorful, though not sure how far I'll get with it. > > > Read the first five. They were great. My wife still reads them. Yeah, I read one of his awhile back. He's funny!! While I'm (not) on the subject, also saw a really good movie recently: 'Birthday Girl', with Nicole Kidman as a Russian mail-order bride. Very suspenseful. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Byron Katie is a far clearer "sage" than I am though -- she actually > gives a deceptively simple technique for discovering Perfection Now > in her book "Loving what Is." If you haven't read and practiced her > Work, I highly recommend her! > > :-) Agreed- Byron Katie is the tenth degree black belt of dismantling our stories. Literally kicks the stuffing out of them! Excellent book!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
I'm reading Carl Hiaasen's 'Skinny Dip' (fiction), a comedy set in South Florida, and just started 'Eyeing the Flash- The Education of A Carnival Con Artist' (non-fiction) by Peter Fenton. The first one is really good- fun and well written, almost done. The second one is OK, colorful, though not sure how far I'll get with it.Read the first five. They were great. My wife still reads them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > All the stories about our experience prior to > > > awakening are rendered useless though, in my > > > experience. > > > > Which may be why, as I've been suggesting, > > there's this huge disconnect between the > > enlightened and the ignorant in terms of > > communication. > > > > It seems to me that as useless as > > pre-enlightenment experience stories may > > seem to the enlightened, they need to > > realize and acknowledge how very real they > > are to those in ignorance. That's the > > reality we're dealing with, even if it's > > obviously unreal to the enlightened. > > "Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness"- That > Guy Yup yup yup. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter > > book myself :-) > > > > > > How very very interesting, my wife is reading it, and I will be > reading it after. Wow. > > I take your point; how very unusual that we are all on the same > wavelength, simultaneously reading such an obscure children's book! It > would be different if it were an international best-seller or > something of course... I'm reading Carl Hiaasen's 'Skinny Dip' (fiction), a comedy set in South Florida, and just started 'Eyeing the Flash- The Education of A Carnival Con Artist' (non-fiction) by Peter Fenton. The first one is really good- fun and well written, almost done. The second one is OK, colorful, though not sure how far I'll get with it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter > book myself :-) > > > How very very interesting, my wife is reading it, and I will be reading it after. Wow. I take your point; how very unusual that we are all on the same wavelength, simultaneously reading such an obscure children's book! It would be different if it were an international best-seller or something of course... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I think it's the attachment to there being some "trick" > > > or "something else" that "has to happen" before we > > > realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the > > > realization of enlightenment. > > > > I completely agree. Subtle (or not-so-subtle) denial of the > > perfection of "this Now" in favor of some imaginary or conceptual > > not-Now appears to be the foundation of (belief in) ignorance. > > It's not just denial or conceptual or imaginary > or belief, Rory. Actually, as far as I can see, that is precisely what it is. Could be completely wrong, of course :-) > And that formulation--unintentionally in your case, > I'm sure--is insulting and demeaning to those whose > living reality it is. It's certainly not my intent to insult or demean anyone, Judy; most emphatically not You; I love you with all my heart. I only meant to point out how my "awakening" appeared to me, and how my previous "ignorance" seemed to work in denying the ever-present awakening. I realize that this may be of no great benefit to the conscious mind of anyone believing themselves to be in ignorance, but I am not particularly interested in that part of the conscious mind, anyhow. The best it can do is deny Perfection Now (like an addiction to the past or future) until it bottoms out and gives up into what IS. I am speaking rather to and for the part of Us that knows the Truth -- to awaken or stimulate the US that always IS. Byron Katie is a far clearer "sage" than I am though -- she actually gives a deceptively simple technique for discovering Perfection Now in her book "Loving what Is." If you haven't read and practiced her Work, I highly recommend her! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter book myself :-)How very very interesting, my wife is reading it, and I will be reading it after. Wow. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > All the stories about our experience prior to > > awakening are rendered useless though, in my > > experience. > > Which may be why, as I've been suggesting, > there's this huge disconnect between the > enlightened and the ignorant in terms of > communication. > > It seems to me that as useless as > pre-enlightenment experience stories may > seem to the enlightened, they need to > realize and acknowledge how very real they > are to those in ignorance. That's the > reality we're dealing with, even if it's > obviously unreal to the enlightened. "Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness"- That Guy To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think my inner dialogues had moulded the ground for this > transition. > > > Can definitely relate, Irmeli -- after getting fed up with the carrot- > on-a-stick and deciding to accept/insist on Perfection NOW, the mind > lit up with a very rapid dialectic that bottomed into the transition. Yes, it goes very rapidly once the mind realizes and the heart feels that all is lost! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > Thanks for responding Rory. Your Nowness is always much > appreciated! > > Thanks for sharing these, Jim! Your boundless appreciation is always > much appreciated! :-) Hey, I appreciate that! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Moreover, even if I'd never encountered Barry prior > to joining FFL, I'd find a lot of his behavior > offensive and inappropriate. and I'll bet he's DAMN proud of it! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think it's the attachment to there being some "trick" > > or "something else" that "has to happen" before we > > realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the > > realization of enlightenment. > > I completely agree. Subtle (or not-so-subtle) denial of the > perfection of "this Now" in favor of some imaginary or conceptual > not-Now appears to be the foundation of (belief in) ignorance. It's not just denial or conceptual or imaginary or belief, Rory. And that formulation--unintentionally in your case, I'm sure--is insulting and demeaning to those whose living reality it is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nyah. > > > The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened, Gotta say it's more like a memory of a memory of a memory -- not a lot of "juice" there. Rather, am continually surprised by people's steadfast refusal to see the "obvious," though to be fair I was equally shocked at my own erstwhile abilities to deny the ever- present "obvious" when I finally gave up and admitted it :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All the stories about our experience prior to > awakening are rendered useless though, in my > experience. Which may be why, as I've been suggesting, there's this huge disconnect between the enlightened and the ignorant in terms of communication. It seems to me that as useless as pre-enlightenment experience stories may seem to the enlightened, they need to realize and acknowledge how very real they are to those in ignorance. That's the reality we're dealing with, even if it's obviously unreal to the enlightened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think my inner dialogues had moulded the ground for this transition. > Can definitely relate, Irmeli -- after getting fed up with the carrot- on-a-stick and deciding to accept/insist on Perfection NOW, the mind lit up with a very rapid dialectic that bottomed into the transition. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for responding Rory. Your Nowness is always much appreciated! Thanks for sharing these, Jim! Your boundless appreciation is always much appreciated! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it's the attachment to there being some "trick" > or "something else" that "has to happen" before we > realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the > realization of enlightenment. I completely agree. Subtle (or not-so-subtle) denial of the perfection of "this Now" in favor of some imaginary or conceptual not-Now appears to be the foundation of (belief in) ignorance. > Not much of an explanation, but I'm on the last few > chapters of the new Harry Potter book, and that's > much more important than spouting theory about > enlightenment... :-) Interesting! I am on the first few chapters of the new Harry Potter book myself :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to get Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just be. > > Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. "Try to just be"? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Religion & Religious freedom
Is religion good for the world? Should every country support religious freedom? In other areas of the world there is often not the level of religious freedom we enjoy in this country (USA). Curious about how people feel about this. Thanks. Jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Unity is seeing the same God within thee that one > > sees in me. > > Brahman is also recognizing the color of shirt you > > are wearing ;) > > If you can find a "thee" or "me" in Unity I'll mail > you $50. To do that would be priceless. No deal. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] was [Re: 'Levitation] awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I meant you were saying it to be helpful, not > as a putdown. OK, got it. Yes, that's right. > > > I mention it because it is the living truth. > > Which you admit to knowing intellectually already. > > If I had a nickel every time I've heard it, I'd be > rich. Yes, wouldn't we all! And yet we remember it because instinctively we know it is true. > > There are three things which must be present for us to not > > be 'overshadowed'. One is that the mind must be perfectly balanced. > > Second, the heart must be pure and clear. Third, the heart and mind > > must join as one, coordinated. > > > > So any perception of being overshadowed, i.e. "there is something > > outside of me preventing me from being me", comes from one of the > > above components not being available. > > I don't have any perception of it coming from > the *outside*, fer pete's sake! OK, put another way, getting rid of that within which is not truly me so that the true me can be here. Or put another way, bringing into balance that which feels out of balance within me. > > > Keep in mind that the loss of overshadowing comes about through > > Divine Grace. > > Except that first the mind must be perfectly balanced. > Second, the heart must be pure and clear. Third, the > heart and mind must join as one, coordinated. At least > that's what I thought I just heard you say. Exactly. Its just that none of us know when precisely awakening occurs for us or anyone else. You must want it with all heart and mind and then just keep wanting it, and getting closer and closer, just as you are doing Judy. > > > We work at it and work at and work at it > > Well, not if we're (not-)doing TM. I think of > transcending as allowing what overshadows Divine > Grace to subside. Yes, it really speeds up our ability to become adept at the full range of experience. Then, very quickly, all of that which we have done > > loses all of its meaning. There is no longer a state of > > consciousness to aspire to. None of the 'rules' on how to remove > > the overshadowing make sense, have any meaning. They become hollow. > > How about first the mind must be perfectly balanced, > second, the heart must be pure and clear, and third, > the heart and mind must join as one, coordinated? > Do they become hollow too? No, they become as stated. Its just that those three elements can't be completely verified until one wakes up. All the stories about our experience prior to awakening are rendered useless though, in my experience. > > Jim, I'm not trying to be difficult, and I appreciate > your attempts to be helpful and speak the truth as > you experience it. > > It's just that there's a disconnect that many people > who are "there" already don't seem to recognize, and > it can be intensely frustrating to those who aren't > there yet. I totally understand and agree. No one can provide the experience of awakening to you, or for you. You will awaken fully on your own, when you get intensely and completely frustrated with not being awake. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- L B Shriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > snip > > > > > I've been on this forum several months and have > been subject to my > > share of putdowns. It's opinions. I'll let > others decide for > > themselves which opinions are valuable or which > ones are off the wall. > > > > The attachment I see here is trying to be right > and prove to everyone > > that you are. > > snip to end > > > > That's it, pretty much. Some people come here to > explore their views, others come to > consolidate them. In my experiences, the pissing > contests begin with those who come to > consolidate. > > I generally try to avoid "personality issues" in > these exchanges, but it's nearly impossible > over the long run. One thing I have noted is that > any trace of judgementalism in one of my > posts comes back to me a hundred fold. And I don't > have to wait very long. > > L B S Ditto to that. This group keeps you intellectually honest! > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] How to get Enlightened
Just be. Try that and if it doesn't work I'll post more. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
On Jul 25, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: > Yes, theories of attachment are know to cause severe > intellectual diarrhea and cramping in 73% of the 20 > years or more meditating population in a recent > double-blind study published in "High-Ho India!". Shit! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
On Jul 25, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > Vaj, you seem to focus on Buddhist Tantra. Have you investigated Hindu > Tantra and spoken with Indian tantrics? I have to be honest, I have a hard time with these dichotomous labels although of course it's helpful for talking about things--and sure there are Buddhists who are gungho with that label and Hindu tantrics who are the same way. I'm a Nath and Rime (non-sectarian) practitioner and don't see a need to side with a camp or a sect. The Nath are said to 'practice Hinduism by day and Buddhism by night'. The core that just awakens and is not a religion is what appeals to me personally. Both are marvelous. So to answer your question, yeah both and I love them both. My Nath guru was the last holder of a sect of Uttara Kaulas...but he was also recognized as a lama by the Kagyupas, loved taoism and so on. It's a non-sectarian trip, a maxim is "don't get caught in limits, don't belong to a school." Incidentally several of the Mahasiddhas were Brahmins, many (most?) were Hindus, some were pundits, etc. He's looking at a hybrid area in anuttara tantra of both Hinduism and Buddhism (for example Minanath, Matsendranath, etc.) >On page 9 of the PDF about > tantra you linked to the author states he will not discuss Hindu Tantra > I suspect because he didn't know how to find practitioners or again was > attracted more to Buddhist thought. He is a married lama and translator--IIRC he has a good amount of exposure to Hindu tantra, but practices Buddha-dharma and Dzogchen. The translation in question is a Buddhist version of the lives of the 84 Mahasiddhas and so for that reason the intro. covers that context primarily. > There is a belief that many of the > "Indiaphiles" are actually reincarnates of people who in the twentieth > century died in the upheavals in India and Tibet are that is why some > are attracted to Hindu thought and some to Buddhist. > > - Bhairitu Yeah I know some who have memories of the Tibetan and Islamic diaspora in Tibet and in India. What can I say...god recycles ;-). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > What I was thinking of when I first wrote that was > the > attachment we all have to *formula*. We'd all like > to > believe that there is something we can *do* -- a > tech- > nique, a mantra, some behavior we perform, some > behavior we give up -- that could be the "trick" > that > allows realization of enlightenment to happen. > > I think it's the attachment to there being some > "trick" > or "something else" that "has to happen" before we > realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the > realization of enlightenment. > > Not much of an explanation, but I'm on the last few > chapters of the new Harry Potter book, and that's > much more important than spouting theory about > enlightenment... :-) > > Unc Yes, theories of attachment are know to cause severe intellectual diarrhea and cramping in 73% of the 20 years or more meditating population in a recent double-blind study published in "High-Ho India!". > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick > Gillam" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It's like watching Doug Henning perform his > > > > > close-up magic. Intellectually you know > it's > > > > > a trick, but that doesn't help you see > through > > > > > it, because it's so well done. Something > *else* > > > > > has to happen for you to perceive the trick. > > > > > > > > That's what everyone who is attached to > attachment says. :-) > > > > > > I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been > told > > > all this creation around me is an illusion, and > I'm > > > inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, > but for > > > the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my > > > > perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm > actually > > > creating it or how I'm being deceived. > > > > > > As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of > that? > > > I could gain by loosening my attachment to > attachment? > > > I'll see the illusion? If you'd like to > elaborate, Barry, > > > please feel free. > > > > > > > What *I* was told is that in Unity, the illusion > is thinking that > > there is a distinction between "reality" and > "Reality." > > Unity is seeing the same God within thee that one > sees in me. > Brahman is also recognizing the color of shirt you > are wearing ;) If you can find a "thee" or "me" in Unity I'll mail you $50. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
Vaj wrote: >On Jul 24, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: > > > >>>World enlightenment. >>> >>> >>Do you seriously believe the pursuit of relative phenomena will bring >>about world enlightenment? >> >> > >Radiating the thought of enlightenment for all beings works IMO and >there are many ways to do it. This is just one. The lung-gompa's I've >talked to say the levitation aspect is just a side-effect, they are >using it to focus on individual and collective enlightenment. It's how >they refine their focus. It's as if instead of being a node on the web, >one can be the web and the node and up the spiritual bandwidth all at >the same time. > > > Vaj, you seem to focus on Buddhist Tantra. Have you investigated Hindu Tantra and spoken with Indian tantrics? On page 9 of the PDF about tantra you linked to the author states he will not discuss Hindu Tantra I suspect because he didn't know how to find practitioners or again was attracted more to Buddhist thought. There is a belief that many of the "Indiaphiles" are actually reincarnates of people who in the twentieth century died in the upheavals in India and Tibet are that is why some are attracted to Hindu thought and some to Buddhist. - Bhairitu To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? > > I think so. > What I was thinking of when I first wrote that was the > attachment we all have to *formula*. Such as, "being attached to attachment"? We'd all like to > believe that there is something we can *do* -- a tech- > nique, a mantra, some behavior we perform, some > behavior we give up -- that could be the "trick" that > allows realization of enlightenment to happen. Such as, "loosening attachment to attachment"? > I think it's the attachment to there being some "trick" > or "something else" that "has to happen" before we > realize our enlightenment that seems to prevent the > realization of enlightenment. Oh, so it's *not* a matter of loosening attachment to attachment. > Not much of an explanation, but I'm on the last few > chapters of the new Harry Potter book, and that's > much more important than spouting theory about > enlightenment... :-) But not more important than spouting a few formulas about attachment, it seems. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened Do they? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the > > > > time day after day doing program is to no > > > > longer be overshadowed. > > > > > > You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you > > > believe the duality- that there is something external to you. > > > Its a common trick of the mind by the way; everyone falls for > > > it at some point ;) > > > > I know you mean it in the nicest possible way, > > but Jim, I get REALLY REALLY tired of hearing > > that kind of formulation. It isn't helpful or > > inspiring. It's my working assumption on an > > intellectual basis, but it doesn't undo the > > trick. If it did, I'd have become un-overshadowed > > many years ago. > > Thanks, and I'd like to think I'm a nice person, but no, I wasn't > saying it to be nice. I meant you were saying it to be helpful, not as a putdown. > I mention it because it is the living truth. > Which you admit to knowing intellectually already. If I had a nickel every time I've heard it, I'd be rich. > There are three things which must be present for us to not > be 'overshadowed'. One is that the mind must be perfectly balanced. > Second, the heart must be pure and clear. Third, the heart and mind > must join as one, coordinated. > > So any perception of being overshadowed, i.e. "there is something > outside of me preventing me from being me", comes from one of the > above components not being available. I don't have any perception of it coming from the *outside*, fer pete's sake! > Keep in mind that the loss of overshadowing comes about through > Divine Grace. Except that first the mind must be perfectly balanced. Second, the heart must be pure and clear. Third, the heart and mind must join as one, coordinated. At least that's what I thought I just heard you say. > We work at it and work at and work at it Well, not if we're (not-)doing TM. I think of transcending as allowing what overshadows Divine Grace to subside. >, and then > when we are just sick of 'the path to enlightenment' and exhausted > in our efforts, it comes; If the heart is fearless and the mind is > resolute, the 'overshadowing' is transformed into the One. > > The subjective experience might be like this: > > that we have tried and tried to gain enlightenment, keeping in mind > all of the signs and subjective phenomena that have been reported > and verified. Then, very quickly, all of that which we have done > loses all of its meaning. There is no longer a state of > consciousness to aspire to. None of the 'rules' on how to remove > the overshadowing make sense, have any meaning. They become hollow. How about first the mind must be perfectly balanced, second, the heart must be pure and clear, and third, the heart and mind must join as one, coordinated? Do they become hollow too? Jim, I'm not trying to be difficult, and I appreciate your attempts to be helpful and speak the truth as you experience it. It's just that there's a disconnect that many people who are "there" already don't seem to recognize, and it can be intensely frustrating to those who aren't there yet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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NPR's Morning Edition will have a segment on meditation and brain research tomorrow (Tuesday). L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --If it were that easy to "Let Go" of dogma, or anything else, that > > would be wonderful, wouldn't it. But, the lesson maybe, that which > > there is the most resistance to, is where we need to "bust the > > presumption, and grow to a higher understanding. > > The less we hold to dogma, and assumptions, the more open we are to > > spiritual growth. > > > > Of course, the physiological viewpoint asserts its a simultaneous thing: > > spiritual growth = flexability in nervous system. Yes, the TM Sidhis is a very fast way to culture flexibility in the nervous system. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > Challenge ruthlessly, non-stop, every concept and idea and feeling > > of yourself and your world and everyone in it, until there is > > nothing left. Then you will wake up. > > That's how you did it, Jim? > > - Patrick Gillam Through honestly living my perception on the one hand, that of duality, acting on things and people and having them act on me, and on the other, holding fast to the intellectual understanding that there is only one identity, Brahman, comprising everything, infinite and timeless, the paradox resolved itself. All of my stories about myself not being ultimately responsible for my reality, all of my stories about where I was going and what it would feel like and look like once I got there, all of my stories about where I was and how much farther I had to go in order to get there, all of that went away. Wasn't there a TV show on about 30 or 40 years ago called 'Concentration' where pieces covering a puzzle were slowly removed, until you could see the entire puzzle underneath and then solve it? That is what awakening is like. We are continually uncovering pieces of the Reality, without completely realizing what we are doing while we are doing it, and at the same time, uncovering just enough to both spur us on with our partial success, and increase our desire, our thirst, to uncover more. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
jim_flanegin wrote: > > Challenge ruthlessly, non-stop, every concept and idea and feeling > of yourself and your world and everyone in it, until there is > nothing left. Then you will wake up. That's how you did it, Jim? - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It's like watching Doug Henning perform his > > > > close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's > > > > a trick, but that doesn't help you see through > > > > it, because it's so well done. Something *else* > > > > has to happen for you to perceive the trick. > > > > > > That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) > > > > I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been told > > all this creation around me is an illusion, and I'm > > inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, but for > > the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my > > perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm actually > > creating it or how I'm being deceived. > > > > As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of that? > > I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? > > I'll see the illusion? If you'd like to elaborate, Barry, > > please feel free. > > > > What *I* was told is that in Unity, the illusion is thinking that > there is a distinction between "reality" and "Reality." Unity is seeing the same God within thee that one sees in me. Brahman is also recognizing the color of shirt you are wearing ;) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It's like watching Doug Henning perform his > > > > close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's > > > > a trick, but that doesn't help you see through > > > > it, because it's so well done. Something *else* > > > > has to happen for you to perceive the trick. > > > > > > That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) > > > > I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been told > > all this creation around me is an illusion, and I'm > > inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, but for > > the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my > > perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm actually > > creating it or how I'm being deceived. > > > > As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of that? > > I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? > > I'll see the illusion? If you'd like to elaborate, Barry, > > please feel free. > > > > - > > > > I wonder if anyone has ever compiled a list of all the different > means by which people have > > awakened. There seems to be a correlation between training and > awakening, but otherwise > > it seems random, judging from the accounts I've read. People often > recount a predisposal > > to altered states going back to childhood, but otherwise, I've > read all manner of stories of > > how people have popped into realization on the way to doing > something else. Suzanne > > Segal is boarding a bus; Peter Sutphen is walking to the dome, Tom > Traynor is -- what? > > Getting hit by a car? I forgot your story, Tom. Rory Goff > says "Enough of this. I quit trying > > to be enlightened," et voilà. So who's to say what's needed to > flip the switch? > > > > Frankly, I haven't heard a better account for all this than what > has come from Maharishi. > > One needs to culture awareness of the self being aware of itself > and raise the level of > > collective consciousness at large. Then, with grace, you may wake > up. > > > > - Patrick Gillam Personally I go with Rory's account- getting so sick of not being enlightened; unable to intellectually resolve the duality, that it is then easier to become awakened, enlightened, Brahman, no boundaries. Because in every case of awakening, there is intention, strong intention. And that intention resolves itself the way any other intention does, by becoming real. There is no trick or 'magic bullet' to it. It is purely and absolutely a matter of wanting something badly enough that you are willing to give up everything in order to get it. Challenge ruthlessly, non-stop, every concept and idea and feeling of yourself and your world and everyone in it, until there is nothing left. Then you will wake up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In that regard, it's astonishing that *anybody* > who has realized their enlightenment can teach > those still in ignorance to realize their own > enlightenment. It's the blind (blind to ignorance) > leading the blind (blind to enlightenment). > > > To the extent that one has faith in the lineage, and only to that extent can the realization of the lineage be transferred. Nyah. The enlightened remember what its like NOT to be enlightened, while the unenlightened don't remember what its like to be enlightened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" [...] > I had a powerful awakening experience at age 16. At that time I didn't > even know about the concepts of awakening or enlightenment. I had not > practiced the kind of meditation, where your aim is to silence your > mind. I don't ever think that I've gotten anything from the kind of meditation where the aim is to silence your mind --not even silence. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > It's like watching Doug Henning perform his > > > close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's > > > a trick, but that doesn't help you see through > > > it, because it's so well done. Something *else* > > > has to happen for you to perceive the trick. > > > > That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) > > I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been told > all this creation around me is an illusion, and I'm > inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, but for > the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my > perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm actually > creating it or how I'm being deceived. > > As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of that? > I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? > I'll see the illusion? If you'd like to elaborate, Barry, > please feel free. > What *I* was told is that in Unity, the illusion is thinking that there is a distinction between "reality" and "Reality." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --If it were that easy to "Let Go" of dogma, or anything else, that > would be wonderful, wouldn't it. But, the lesson maybe, that which > there is the most resistance to, is where we need to "bust the > presumption, and grow to a higher understanding. > The less we hold to dogma, and assumptions, the more open we are to > spiritual growth. > Of course, the physiological viewpoint asserts its a simultaneous thing: spiritual growth = flexability in nervous system. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > It's like watching Doug Henning perform his > > > close-up magic. Intellectually you know it's > > > a trick, but that doesn't help you see through > > > it, because it's so well done. Something *else* > > > has to happen for you to perceive the trick. > > > > That's what everyone who is attached to attachment says. :-) > > I love the analogy Judy strikes above. I've been told > all this creation around me is an illusion, and I'm > inclined to believe I'm being told the truth, but for > the life of me I can't see how. I can see how my > perception colors it, but I can't see how I'm actually > creating it or how I'm being deceived. > > As for Barry's remark, what am I to make of that? > I could gain by loosening my attachment to attachment? > I'll see the illusion? If you'd like to elaborate, Barry, > please feel free. > > - > > I wonder if anyone has ever compiled a list of all the different means by which people have > awakened. There seems to be a correlation between training and awakening, but otherwise > it seems random, judging from the accounts I've read. People often recount a predisposal > to altered states going back to childhood, but otherwise, I've read all manner of stories of > how people have popped into realization on the way to doing something else. Suzanne > Segal is boarding a bus; Peter Sutphen is walking to the dome, Tom Traynor is -- what? > Getting hit by a car? I forgot your story, Tom. Rory Goff says "Enough of this. I quit trying > to be enlightened," et voilà. So who's to say what's needed to flip the switch? > > Frankly, I haven't heard a better account for all this than what has come from Maharishi. > One needs to culture awareness of the self being aware of itself and raise the level of > collective consciousness at large. Then, with grace, you may wake up. > > - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > \ > > P.S.: The explanation should probably be given > by someone for whom the authentic inquiry has > actually triggered realization. > > > \ > > All that there is, is God. Grok. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One thing I have noted is that any trace of judgementalism in one of > my > > posts comes back to me a hundred fold. And I don't have to wait very > long. > > > > L B S > > Isn't instant karma supposed to be a good thing? :-) I prefer frozen concentrate, myself... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Levitation/has anyone heard of anyone reaching 2nd stage flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Which is why this intellectualization is > > useless, either for encouragement or for > > putting people down. > > > > All it does is push things back a level: > > Instead of having to overcome the reality > > of being overshadowed, now it's the false > > feeling of the reality of being overshadowed > > that must be overcome. > > This is a very legitimate complaint about Advaitic > approaches that fail to explain how an initial > intellectual understanding that one is "already > enlightened" can be utilized to trigger realization. > If this understanding is held simply as another waking > state concept, then it will have no impact- just > another conceptual burden. However, if this > understanding is used as a springboard for authentic > inquiry, much can occur. > Yes, knowing the outcome, that of disappearance of any duality, puzzles the mind and spurs the heart to inquire "How can this be so?". Through the resolute questioning of the perception of duality vs the reality of oneness, the overshadowing is quickly eliminated. small self to infinite self: "fuck it, you win". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
