[FairfieldLife] The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread shempmcgurk
Notable People Who Died of Lung Cancer By The Associated Press 
Tue Aug 9, 7:38 PM ET
 


A select list of notable people who've died of lung cancer over the 
years: 

ADVERTISEMENT
 
Aug. 7: ABC anchorman Peter Jennings, 67.

July 1: Renaldo Obie Benson, 69, member of the legendary Motown 
singing group the Four Tops.

May 9, 2004: Comedian Alan King, 76.

Jan. 22, 2004: Dancer-actress Ann Miller, 81.

Sept. 8, 2003: Singer-songwriter Warren Zevon, 56.

Oct. 13, 2002: Best-selling author/historian Stephen Ambrose,66.

June 29, 2002: Singer Rosemary Clooney, 74.

Oct. 16, 2001: Jazz singer Etta Jones, 72 (and breast cancer).

June 18, 2000: Actress Nancy Marchand, 71, who played the matriarch 
of a Mafia family on The Sopranos and the patrician publisher Mrs. 
Pynchon on Lou Grant.

March 25, 1999: Baseball coach Cal Ripken Sr., 63.

March 8, 1999: Baseball great Joe DiMaggio, 84.

Feb. 6, 1998: Beach Boy guitarist Carl Wilson, 51.

July 1, 1997: Actor Robert Mitchum, 79.

Feb. 3, 1996: Audrey Meadows, 70, famous for her role as Alice 
Kramden in the TV comedy The Honeymooners.

March 6, 1994: Actress Melina Mercouri, 68, best known for her role 
was as a prostitute in the 1960 film Never on Sunday.

Oct. 25, 1993: Actor Vincent Price, 82, known for horror movie roles.

June 22, 1993: Pat Nixon, 81, wife of former President Richard M. 
Nixon. 

Oct. 5, 1992: Eddie Kendricks, 52, one of The Temptations' original 
members. 

Nov. 10, 1992: Actor Chuck Connors, 71, best known for TV show The 
Rifleman. 

Feb. 2, 1992: Bert Parks, 77, best known as master of ceremonies for 
the Miss America beauty pageant. 

July 2, 1991: Actress Lee Remick, 55. 

April 4, 1990: Jazz singer Sarah Vaughan, 76. 

June 10, 1988: Popular western writer Louis L'Amour, 80. 

Aug. 2, 1988: Short story writer Raymond Carver, 50. 

April 11, 1987: Writer Erskine Caldwell, 83. 

March 21, 1987: Actor Robert Preston, 68, best known for his role as 
Professor Harold Hill in the stage and film versions of The Music 
Man. 

Dec. 2, 1986: Desi Arnaz, 69, best remembered for starring with 
Lucille Ball in I Love Lucy. 

Oct. 25, 1986: Actor Forrest Tucker, 67, best known for his 
portrayal of Sgt. Morgan O'Rourke in the popular F Troop TV series 
of the 1960s. 

June 14, 1986: Composer Alan Jay Lerner, 67, best known, with 
Frederick Loewe, for musicals My Fair Lady, Camelot and Paint 
Your Wagon. 

Oct. 10, 1985: Yul Brynner, 65, best known for his portrayal of the 
king in The King and I. 

May 16, 1984: Comedian/actor Andy Kaufman, 35, known for his role of 
auto mechanic Latka Gravas in sitcom Taxi. The Jim Carrey 
movie Man on the Moon was based on him. 

March 31, 1980: Jesse Owens, 66, Olympic gold medal winner in 
track. 

May 24, 1974: Jazz great/bandleader Duke Ellington, 75. 

April 30, 1974: Actress Agnes Moorehead, 73. 

June 8, 1969: Actor Robert Taylor, 57. 

Feb. 1, 1966: Comedian/actor/director Buster Keaton, 70. 

April 25, 1965: CBS newscaster Edward R. Murrow, 57. (Always a heavy 
smoker, Murrow had investigated the connection between cigarettes 
and cancer for his news show See It Now.) 

Feb. 15, 1965: Singer Nat King Cole, 47. 

Jan. 10, 1961: Writer Dashiel Hammett, 65. 

___ 

Sources: Contemporary Newsmakers, Almanac of Famous People, 
Contemporary Theatre, Film and Television Dictionary of American 
Biography, The Associated Press.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine people do not exist....

2005-08-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But they are NOT overclocked! Regardless of what Barry says. Its
 mostly AMD processors that are overclocked. And they are not Jewish!!!

Assumption.  Have you ever checked under the hood of
your laptop to see if that AMD chip is circucised?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis

2005-08-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Rick, has it occurred to you that, true or not, you've become the 
 recipient of sexual rumors about just about every guru/sage on the 
 planet?

Not every rumor.  He completely missed the one about the
prominent FFL member, the badger, and the clown shoes.
That's one's remained a secret all this time, despiteuh...
oops...never mind...ignore that and carry on...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis

2005-08-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  Rick, has it occurred to you that, true or not, you've become the 
  recipient of sexual rumors about just about every guru/sage on the 
  planet?
 
 Hey, anyone heard any rumors about Rick?

Let's not go there.  That badger was *not* underage,
no matter what the poo poo heads say!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Saddam Hussein...

2005-08-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 ---The holocaust started in the thirties, in many secret locations, 
 men, women and children, were routinely gassed with truck exhaust, 
 or shot, there were competitions in the SS, to see who could come up 
 with the most outrageous torture techniques, kind of like what the 
 Romans were in their heyday.

When did the SS come into existance?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine people do not exist....

2005-08-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ---Actually I read, in the Essene Gospels, taken from the Dead Sea 
 Scrolls, that Moses had originally had much more esoteric knowledge 
to 
 convey, when he allegedly smashed the first writings he had 
cognized:
 Which had to do with communing with the Devas, or Angels, The Angel 
of 
 Water, Angel of Air, and other refined knowledge, that apparently 
he 
 had to dumb down, as the people weren't ready for that type of 
 subtlety.
 What I can't understand is that the Bagavad Gita, talks 
about doing 
 your duty and fight, slay the enemy.

wasn't that the ultimate war of rightiousness, where God Himself had 
incarnated to work with the combatants more directly?



 Because it seems that Maharishi, is against any type of war for any 
 reason.

MMY considers killing to be sin. Whether or not there are worse sins 
than killing is left as an exercise for the reader...

 And the premise of the New Testament, which speaks of 'turning the 
 other cheek' love, and forgiveness;
 In contrast to the Old Testament, which speaks of an eye for an 
eye, 
 tooth for a tooth.
 At this moment, it seems we are facing the same dilemma with Iran 
in 
 particular; do we let them develop a nuke, so they can blow us up?
 Or do we go in and do what we have to do?
 
 
  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   Your claim is easy to make, and there is a very ancient 
tradition
   surrounding this process.  Just show up with much more lethal
   weaponery than the current inhabitants have, and the land is all
   yours.
   
   Didn't you know that God traditionally grants people land in
   this manner?
  
  God helps those who help themselves [to]...
  
  Kinda makes you wonder if the 10 Commandments were sarcasm...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis (Here, There, and Everywhere...)

2005-08-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --I am sure I remember seeing a book, a small book, with one poem 
 by 
  Maharishi called, 'Here, There, and Everywhere', 
  As I recall, it was a beautiful expression of the love Maharishi 
  felt, as he was describing his experience of God-Consciousness, 
  where he cognized God, here, there and everywhere..
  I am still researching to find it, no luck yet.
  Perhaps it's just a coincidence, or perhaps Paul just lifted the 
  title; who knows?
 
 
 
 Or perhaps here, there, and everywhere is a generic enough 
 expression that Paul came up with it completely independently of 
 anything MMY had written...
 

PErhaps the coincidence helped attract the Beatles to MMY in the 
first place?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Notable People Who Died of Lung Cancer By The Associated Press 
 Tue Aug 9, 7:38 PM ET
  
 
 
 A select list of notable people who've died of lung cancer over the 
 years: 

Be interesting to see that list correlated with smoking...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis

2005-08-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Rick, has it occurred to you that, true or not, you've become the 
  recipient of sexual rumors about just about every guru/sage on the 
  planet?
 
 Not every rumor.  He completely missed the one about the
 prominent FFL member, the badger, and the clown shoes.
 That's one's remained a secret all this time, despiteuh...
 oops...never mind...ignore that and carry on...

You're trying to give Rick as nervous breakdown, aren't you...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine people do not exist....

2005-08-10 Thread Cliff
Of course weapons matter.  Like it or not, technology and its
spin-off in weaponry very much determines who lives well,
who lives poorly and who dies in today's world, as it has for
thousands of years.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --It seems that weapons do matter; 
 Why is it that Iran and North Korea are pursuing nukes?
 And the U.S. cannot let that happen?
 
 
 - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  Your claim is easy to make, and there is a very ancient tradition
  surrounding this process.  Just show up with much more lethal
  weaponery than the current inhabitants have, and the land is all
  yours.
  
  Didn't you know that God traditionally grants people land in
  this manner?
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
  snip
Right, so why can't Israel exist peacefully 
 in 'Palestine'?
   
   Beats me, though I don't think the 'we were here first' 
argument works well. 
   
   Probably because the Israeli state was created by the 
 British 
from seized Arab land in the late 40's, in order to weaken the 
 Arab 
   nationalist movement. No one ever goes for that stuff, 
 and 
there has been war there ever since.
  
  I think you are mistaken, the *JEWS* bought most of the 
 land 
from 
  absentie lanlords (Arabs), it was nothing but barren. The 
 JEWS 
made
  it 
  what it is todayisn't that reason enough? (Plus having 
 been 
there 
  since the beginning of time).
 
 Is that the 6000 year old beginning of time per the Old 
 Testement
 (as interpreted by some) or the 20 million years 
 ago beginning of
 time that the progenitors of all current humanity migrated 
 out of
 Ethiopia, or the 6 billion? years beginning of time when the 
 earth 
was
 created, ot the 20? billions years ago beginning of time 
 since 
the
 big bang?

I have read that 80 to 90 percent of Israel's population is 
Ashkenazi, who are thought to be caucasoid descendants of the 
eastern-European Khazars, who never lived in the Near- or 
 Middle-
East, and who converted to Judaism as late as the 7th or 8th 
 century 
CE. Only the remaining 10 to 20 percent are Sephardic, who 
 actually 
*did* originate in or near the region now known as Israel, and 
 who 
(I have read) are currently treated as distinctly second-class 
citizens in Israel.
   
   Cultural / religious claims of owning and having eternal rights 
 to a
   portion of the earth based on where ones ancestors lived, 
 (sometimes a
   dubious claims, as illustrated above), seems a rather odd 
 argument. My
   ancestors owned a lot of land in Ireland, just ouside Dublin. 
 Can I
   claim it? Others owned lots of land in what are now (not then) 
 ritzy
   resort areas. Can I claim several acres of prime real estate 
 there? I
   would be an instant billionaire. Help me out here, because I 
 would
   love to make these claims.




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[FairfieldLife] 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

2005-08-10 Thread Robert Gimbel




Jagger mauls Bush (Tuesday August 09, 2005 10:14 AM) The Rolling Stones accuse President George W Bush of being "full of sh*t" on their new album, it has emerged."Sweet Neo Con", one of the tracks on the band's forthcoming LP "A Bigger Bang", is known to be fiercely anti-Bush.However, the full force of the lyrics and Mick Jagger's disdain for the American leader has now been confirmed, with The Stones singer revealing the lyrics in a new interview.An extract from "Sweet Neo Con" features the following lines: "You call yourself a Christian, I call you a hypocrite/You call yourself a patriot, well I think you're full of sh*t." Speaking to Newsweek, Jagger explained the background to the track. "It is direct. Keith said (adopting Richards' voice), 'It's not really
 metaphorical.' "I think he's a bit worried because he lives in the U.S. But I don't," commented Sir Mick."A Bigger Bang" is released on September 5 and is preceded by the single, "Streets Of Love" on August 22. The band begin their forthcoming world tour in Boston on August 21. 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine people do not exist....

2005-08-10 Thread Vaj

On Aug 9, 2005, at 10:13 PM, Rory Goff wrote:

 Only the remaining 10 to 20 percent are Sephardic, who actually
 *did* originate in or near the region now known as Israel, and who
 (I have read) are currently treated as distinctly second-class
 citizens in Israel.

Well Sephardim are *Spanish* Jews. Since the diaspora in Spain occurred 
in 1492, I would bet many of these are from that dispersion, esp. since 
many then found refuge in Italy, Sicily and Turkey.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis

2005-08-10 Thread Vaj

On Aug 9, 2005, at 11:47 PM, Rick Archer wrote:


 You mean he's given up trying to screw every woman on the planet, while
 smoking both pot and tobacco regularly, popping Viagra like candy, 
 drinking,
 watching x-rated movies, etc.? (I got all this from someone who had 
 been
 with him 17 years and left because Adi Da was screwing his wife.)

“This is the Kali Yuga,

Even Rakshashas (demons) will incarnate as teachers to mislead you.

Those who must be destroyed by these demons will be.

 

Test the Guru by the teaching:

without inquiry there is no teaching.

Shun every teacher who does not teach inquiry.

Directly looking at your own face is the only teaching.

 

If the Guru says 'I am enlightened,'

it means the ego is enlightened so stay away.

Western teachers who say this are preachers so stay away

and only write books to load more garbage on seekers,

and more money in their pockets.

  They will attract so many students,

but in Kali Yuga it is the falsehood which will draw the crowds.

The Truth and the true Gurus will be neglected.

If there is a teacher and a student for more than one second

then both of them go to avachi hell!” -Papaji


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CONJUNCTION OF JUPITER KETU - USA

2005-08-10 Thread Peter


--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
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 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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 wrote:
   No, he's stupid and smells like poo-poo?
  
  See the effects of the conjunction? A
 normally intelligent 
   member 
 of
  FFL is reduced to the mutterings of a
 2-year old.
 
 I disagree. You sound very much like a
 precocious 10-year 
 old.

Disagreement has its roots in duality. 
   
   I disagree. Disagreement has its roots in
 discrimination and 
   personal preference. Duality has nothing to do
 with it.
  
  And thus, per your view, in Wholeness, what
 disagrees with what?
 
 In Wholeness, I disagreed with you. 
  
  But you are right. Duality has nothing to do with
 IT.
  
   
   The world is as we are. If one
sees precociousness, they must be dwelling in
 precociousness.
   
In the above expression, I was simple
 acknowledging the 
 Perfection
that Peter and Poo were one.

Your wholeness is limited. It is not Poo, but
Poo-poo. Two fullness's.



 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Yoga: A Religion for Sex Addicts

2005-08-10 Thread anonymousff
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0303/yoga.html






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Yoga: A Religion for Sex Addicts

2005-08-10 Thread Vaj

On Aug 10, 2005, at 8:01 AM, anonymousff wrote:

 http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0303/yoga.html





That would be hilarious if it wasn't so scary.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga: A Religion for Sex Addicts

2005-08-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Aug 10, 2005, at 8:01 AM, anonymousff wrote:
 
  http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0303/yoga.html
 
 That would be hilarious if it wasn't so scary.

You think *that's* scary--have a look at this:

http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/

Oh, and did you know that the word gullible
has been removed from the dictionary?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Yoga: A Religion for Sex Addicts

2005-08-10 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/10/05 7:11 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Aug 10, 2005, at 8:01 AM, anonymousff wrote:
 
 http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0303/yoga.html
 
 That would be hilarious if it wasn't so scary.

I think that whole site is a spoof.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga: A Religion for Sex Addicts

2005-08-10 Thread Vaj

On Aug 10, 2005, at 8:21 AM, authfriend wrote:

 Oh, and did you know that the word gullible
 has been removed from the dictionary?

What's this world coming to!



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Thru and thru dilettante analysis of RV I 164, 39 ; part 1

2005-08-10 Thread cardemaister
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wrote:
 /Rco akSare/ is the 39. verse of the famous
 /asya-vaamasya -suukta/ of Rgveda. The RSi of that suukta
 is /Diirgha-tamas/(?long lasting darkness,
 because he was blind). That verse goes like this:
 
 R`co a`kShare' para`me vyoma`n yasmi'n de`vaa adhi` vishve' 
niShe`duH  |
   yas tan na veda` kim R`caa ka'riShyati` ya it tad vi`dus ta i`me 
sam 
 aa'sate  || EN{1}{164}{39} 
 
 The first word is the nominative plural form of the word /Rk/. In
 front of a vowel or a voiced consonant that changes to /Rg/, as
 in /Rg-veda/. The form /Rco/ is sandhi for /RcaH/ that's the 
 nominative plural in pausa (when a pause follows and sandhi is
 inoperative, or stuff). '-aH' in front of a short 'a' or
 a voiced consonant changes to '-o'. -- In dictionaries that 
 word appears in the form /Rc/ (not in the basic nominative 
singular
 form /Rk/):
 
 Capeller's Sanskrit-English Dictionary 
 
 1 Rc 2 f. lustre, beam; hymn, verse; the Rigveda (mostly pl.).


Well, /akSare/ is the locative singular form of the noun /akSara(m)/
Here are some meanings of this adjective/noun:

1 akSara mfn. imperishable ; unalterable ; m. a sword L. ; S3iva L. ; 
Vishn2u L. ; (%{A}) f. see %{a4kSarA} below ; (%{am}) n. a syllable ; 
the syllable %{om} Mn. ; a letter [m. Ra1matUp.] ; a vowel ; a 
sound ; a word ; N. of Brahma ; final beatitude religious austerity , 
sacrifice L. ; water RV. i , 34 , 4 and i , 164 , 42 [3,3] ; 
Achyranthes Aspera. 

Now, /akSaram/ is prolly first of all a negative(?) adjective:
'un-alterable', 'im-perishable'. The syntactical structure  
formed by the first words seems to be slightly interesting:
if 'akSare' is considered an adjective, it seems to act as an 
attribute to 'vyoman'. 

(at·trib·ute  
snip 
—n. 
7.  Gram. a word or phrase that is syntactically subordinate to 
another and serves to limit, identify, particularize, describe, or 
supplement the meaning of the form with which it is in construction. 
In the red house, red is an attribute of house.)


OTOH, if it is considered a noun, it might perchance be called an 
apposition (for 'parame vyoman') or then again, perhaps not.

(ap·po·si·tion  (apÅÃ zishÆÃn), n. 

3.  Gram. a syntactic relation between expressions, usually 
consecutive, that have the same function and the same relation to 
other elements in the sentence, the second expression identifying or 
supplementing the first. In Washington, our first president, the 
phrase our first president is in apposition with Washington.)
 
It seems to us most translators treat 'akSare' as a noun, in which
case the primary meaning of 'Rco akSare' could be 'Rk´s (exist) in 
akSara'. Butt... it seems to be possible to treat 'akSara' also as
a genuine (tatpuruSa-type?) compound noun, in which case 'akSara'
could be thought to mean 'kSara of (the sound) ´a´'. In this case
perhaps some other verb would be suitable, instead of 'exist'... :0 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Yoga: A Religion for Sex Addicts

2005-08-10 Thread Vaj

On Aug 10, 2005, at 8:29 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

 I think that whole site is a spoof.

It is, but still damn accurate. Take it from someone who occasionally 
talks to X-tian fundies.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thru and thru dilettante analysis of RV I 164, 39 ; part 1

2005-08-10 Thread Vaj

On Aug 10, 2005, at 8:29 AM, cardemaister wrote:

 Well, /akSare/ is the locative singular form of the noun /akSara(m)/
 Here are some meanings of this adjective/noun:

 1 akSara mfn. imperishable ; unalterable ; m. a sword L. ; S3iva L. ;
 Vishn2u L. ; (%{A}) f. see %{a4kSarA} below ; (%{am}) n. a syllable ;
 the syllable %{om} Mn. ; a letter [m. Ra1matUp.] ; a vowel ; a
 sound ; a word ; N. of Brahma ; final beatitude religious austerity ,
 sacrifice L. ; water RV. i , 34 , 4 and i , 164 , 42 [3,3] ;
 Achyranthes Aspera.

 Now, /akSaram/ is prolly first of all a negative(?) adjective:
 'un-alterable', 'im-perishable'. The syntactical structure
 formed by the first words seems to be slightly interesting:
 if 'akSare' is considered an adjective, it seems to act as an
 attribute to 'vyoman'.

It also means the kSara of a--the collapse of primordial fullness 
symbolized by the sound a. It is also alluding to all that emerges 
from a--i.e. the entire sequence of sounds which make up creation. 
Compare with akula. akSara is a technical term in Samkhya.



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[FairfieldLife] TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread kjdruhl
Dear friends,

I apologize for the long delay in responding to your postings about 
the PBS feature. Where to start? I don't want this to be a 
theological discussion. What we are talking about is grounded in 
experience and relationship; it is my experience of relationship 
with Christ. Still, that experience has been based on my 
understanding of who Christ is, who I am and what the nature of our 
relationship can be. 

So what about TM would prevent me from accepting Jesus as my one and 
only Savior? Two things: For one the teaching that my spiritual 
situation is one of ignorance, not of sin. There is no concept of a 
savior or of salvation in the Vedic teachings, because there is no 
concept of sin, nothing one needs to be saved from. There is a place 
for a teacher in this, but no place for a Savior.

Jesus Christ declared Himself to be the Savior and eternal Judge of 
the world. He declared that there was no way to God except Him, that 
He was the eternal I AM, Jehovah. So, He is either God, as He said 
and as many witnesses testified, or He was insane, or He was Satan. 
If what He said was not true, He was either out of His mind (and 
this is what the religious Jews said), or He knowingly led millions 
and millions of people into spiritual deception, a satanic 
undertaking. No founder of any religion that I am aware of ever made 
the claims that He made, neither did any perform the miracles that 
He did, neither did any extend healing and forgiveness freely to 
everyone who asked for it.

What then did Christ save me from, what was my sin? I could come up 
with many instances of sinful behavior in my life, and would still 
miss the point. My sin is my state of separation from God, my 
spiritual pride and self-centeredness, my attempt to usurp the place 
of God and exalt myself to be the ruler. Does not that sound 
familiar, to those of us who have been promised to become the 
masters of natural law? And is not this the core of Satan's lie to 
man, that he can become like God?

So, what evidence is there for one side or the other? I must confess 
that I cannot find much if any empirical evidence for the divine and 
universal nature of unredeemed man, but overwhelming evidence for 
his evil nature. And I can also report that I am seeing in myself 
and others the great cleansing and healing power of Christ, as I am 
yielding myself to His Lordship over my live. An intimately personal 
working of Christ in me, an ongoing transformation in my heart that 
only God can do.

This then brings us to the second point of separation: the spiritual 
practice. The Christian spiritual practice is a matter of the will: 
the will to submit to the Lordship of Christ and His working in me. 
This is an ongoing commitment that I need to renew daily in freedom, 
as my relationship with Christ expands and as His nature overtakes 
more and more of my mind, will and emotions. So, no technique is 
required. Rather, techniques have to be excluded as being a means to 
assert self-rule over the rule of Christ.

The Christian techniques of quiet prayer, that are often 
mentioned, are not techniques at all, but are modes of communion 
with Christ. It matters with whom you commune and in what spirit, 
not what you say and how often.

To answer sparaig's question: No, TM doesn't prevent God from making 
a connection. God is making connections all the time, to every human 
being. But it does prevent the individual from receiving the 
fullness of it. God respects your free will, and He never imposes 
Himself on you. The choice is yours, communion with your Savior and 
Lord, or assertion of self.

So much for now.

Sincerely

Kai






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[FairfieldLife] Re: CONJUNCTION OF JUPITER KETU - USA

2005-08-10 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  jim_flanegin 
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   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  anonymousff 
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wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  anonymousff 
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   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  Peter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
No, he's stupid and smells like poo-poo?
   
   See the effects of the conjunction? A
  normally intelligent 
member 
  of
   FFL is reduced to the mutterings of a
  2-year old.
  
  I disagree. You sound very much like a
  precocious 10-year 
  old.
 
 Disagreement has its roots in duality. 

I disagree. Disagreement has its roots in
  discrimination and 
personal preference. Duality has nothing to do
  with it.
   
   And thus, per your view, in Wholeness, what
  disagrees with what?
  
  In Wholeness, I disagreed with you. 
   
   But you are right. Duality has nothing to do with
  IT.
   

The world is as we are. If one
 sees precociousness, they must be dwelling in
  precociousness.

 In the above expression, I was simple
  acknowledging the 
  Perfection
 that Peter and Poo were one.
 
 Your wholeness is limited. It is not Poo, but
 Poo-poo. Two fullness's.

Yes, its beautiful.
I am the emptiness of Poo.
You are the fullness of Poo.
Its all so Perfect. 
Wholeness is so Perfect.







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[FairfieldLife] Tsunami Video on FPAC

2005-08-10 Thread Rick Archer
The local public access TV station (FPAC - Channel 9) will air the video
about Amma's tsunami relief efforts, entitled Pray and Serve, this coming
Thursday evening, (8/11) at 9:30pm. The video is about 45 minutes long. This
is the one that was played at the beginning of each of Amma's morning
programs this summer.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thru and thru dilettante analysis of RV I 164, 39 ; part 1

2005-08-10 Thread Vaj

On Aug 10, 2005, at 10:14 AM, cardemaister wrote:

 Really? Do you happen to remember in which suutra or suutras?

IIRC it was the tattva-samasa.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Saddam Hussein...

2005-08-10 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In a message dated 8/8/05 5:36:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
  In  brief, the *reason* for killing greatly
 agravates or mitagates the karmayes? 
  What would have been America's karma had it 
 sat back and  knowingly let Hitler exterminate 
 Jews. Would it be worse than actively trying to  
 kill him in order to stop him?
 
 If the Americans did sit back, (which they didn't) finally they 
 intervened, however, had the Americans done nothing, yes I think 
the 
 complicity would have aggravated their karma and it would have been 
 far worse for them, karma wise.

The Americans sat back and so did the British. We 
had cracked the Germans' code at Bletchley Park with 
Alan Turing's Enigma machine, and knew about their 
extermination programme. We could not find a way to 
act without allowing the Germans to deduce that the 
code was cracked.
Us.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I wish the Christians would stop saying that their way is better
 than anyone else's.

Not just a better way, but the only way.

 It gets very boring, and it is untrue. All people can really
 say about the spiritual path they adopt is, It works for me, and 
 I wish they would leave it at that.

Trouble is, the only way is an integral part
of the path; it's what works for them.  Take
that away, and it's no longer Christianity.

(Whether it's what Jesus actually taught is
another question entirely.)

And unlikely as it may seem to some of us that
it's the only way, we don't *know* for sure
whether it's true or not.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga: A Religion for Sex Addicts

2005-08-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 8/10/05 7:21 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  On Aug 10, 2005, at 8:01 AM, anonymousff wrote:
  
  http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0303/yoga.html
  
  That would be hilarious if it wasn't so scary.
  
  You think *that's* scary--have a look at this:
  
  http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/
 
 Also a spoof.

You don't say!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

2005-08-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Jagger mauls Bush 
 (Tuesday August 09, 2005 10:14 AM) 
 
 The Rolling Stones accuse President George W Bush of being 
 full of sh*t on their new album, it has emerged.

That Mick, always strutting the obvious.  :-)

Really, good for Mick.  Given the respective
levels of personal power involved, I suspect 
that a showdown between Mick and Dubya would 
turn out pretty much like the confrontation 
between Turner and Chas in Performance.

There is much about Mr. Jagger to be apprec-
iated, in the Tomwise sense of the word. He's
62, he looks better physically than he's looked
for much of his life, and he's still got the
energy to rock 'n roll.  There are far less cool
ways to pass an incarnation.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CONJUNCTION OF JUPITER KETU - USA

2005-08-10 Thread Peter


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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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  In the above expression, I was simple
acknowledging the 
Perfection
   that Peter and Poo were one.
   
   Your wholeness is limited. It is not Poo, but
   Poo-poo. Two fullness's.
  
  Yes, its beautiful.
  I am the emptiness of Poo.
  You are the fullness of Poo.
  Its all so Perfect. 
  Wholeness is so Perfect.
 
 PooNamida PooNamidam

Hopefully we have worked this out to its final
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  Notable People Who Died of Lung Cancer By The Associated Press 
  Tue Aug 9, 7:38 PM ET
   
  
  
  A select list of notable people who've died of lung cancer over 
the 
  years: 
 
 Be interesting to see that list correlated with smoking...

Oddly enough, Laura Bush is a secret cigarette smoker. Makes me wonder 
if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know for sure? And I'm looking 
for hard evidence, not just partisan attacks.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I wish the Christians would stop saying that their way is 
  better than anyone else's. It gets very boring, and it is 
  untrue. 
 
 And it drowns out the TMers saying the same thing.  :-)

Although, of course, what TMers say is *about* their
path, whereas what the Christians say *is* their path.

But you knew that.





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[FairfieldLife] Bouncing

2005-08-10 Thread anonymousff
I just noticed that 219 of FFL's 963 members are bouncing. I don't
think that refers to the dome numbers. Thats over 20%. And only is
applicable to those who receive emails. Which is a minority, maybe
20-30%. So 65-99% of email opters are air -- no longer existing
accounts. I wonder if the same % is extrapable to archive readers. It
would imply that only a very small % of the 963 members actually read
any posts.









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[FairfieldLife] Baseball Quotes

2005-08-10 Thread Jeff Fischer
The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the 
guys who are undecided. 
   
-Casey Stengel  (This one really cracked me up)
 
  The trouble is not that players have sex the night before a game. 
It's that they stay out all night looking for it. 
   
-Casey Stengel  (Rick - Any confirming rumors?)
 
  
 
  I never questioned the integrity of an umpire. Their eyesight, yes. 
   
-Leo Durocher  (FFL?)
 
  It was Brooklyn against the world. They were not only complete 
fanatics, but they knew baseball like the fans of no other city. It 
was exciting to play there. It was a treat. I walked into that 
crummy, flyblown park as Brooklyn manager for nine years, and every 
time I entered, my pulse quickened and my spirits soared. 
   
-Leo Durocher  (As a Brooklyn Dodger fan, I love this one)
 
  
  I think there are only three things America will be known for 
2,000 years from now when they study this civilization: the 
Constitution, jazz music, and baseball. 
  
-Gerald Early  
 
  When I was a small boy growing up in Kansas, a friend of mine and I 
went fishing and as we sat there in the warmth of a summer afternoon 
on a riverbank we talked about what we wanted to do when we grew up. 
I told him that I wanted to be a real major-league baseball player, a 
genuine professional like Honus Wagner. My friend said that he'd like 
to be President of the United States. Neither of us got our wish. 
  
-Dwight D Eisenhower  (Better had he gotten his wish?)
 
  Sweat plus sacrifice equals success. 
   
-Charlie Finley  
 
   
  Fans don't boo nobodies. 
   
-Reggie Jackson  (Scientologists hope?)
 
  Baseball is a lot like life. The line drives are caught, the 
squibbles go for base hits. It's an unfair game. 
   
-Rod Kanehl  (I can relate)
 
  Concentration is the ability to think about absolutely nothing when 
it is absolutely necessary. 
   
-Ray Knight   (A new technique?)
 
  All the fat guys watch me and say to their wives, 'See, there's a 
fat guy doing okay. Bring me another beer.' 
   
-Mickey Lolich(Personal favorite)
 
  You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from 
defeat. 
   
-Christy Mathewson  (Got plenty of reality here)
 
  Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you. 
 
-Satchel Paige  (Butch  Sundance?)
 
  Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. 
Home plate don't move. 
   
-Satchel Paige  (That's what I call a stable datum)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  I wish the Christians would stop saying that their way is better
  than anyone else's.
 
 Not just a better way, but the only way.
 
  It gets very boring, and it is untrue. All people can really
  say about the spiritual path they adopt is, It works for me,
and 
  I wish they would leave it at that.
 
 Trouble is, the only way is an integral part
 of the path; it's what works for them.  Take
 that away, and it's no longer Christianity.

Well, it's no longer a simplistic and absolutist brand of
Christianity that demands all shades of gray be dumbed down to black
and white. However, not all denominations of Christianity make such
demands. Some Christians can actually live with shades of gray and
uncertainty and have no need to soothe themselves with a false
certainty based on others being wrong.
 
Alex




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread feste37
He's permanently drunk on power, sycophancy and lies. But it cannot
go on 
forever. I sense that the legal, moral and political net is beginning
to close 
around him.  Can a trip to The Hague be far off? And when it comes, I
think a 
10-15 year sentence might be about right.  


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Makes me wonder  if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know for
sure? And 
I'm looking  for hard evidence, not just partisan attacks.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Home for Rent in Colorado

2005-08-10 Thread anonymousff
You bought a 2nd house in Ft Collins already?

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 Greetings from beautiful Fort Collins, Colorado where the sun shines
 300 days a year and the winters are mild. Fort Collins sits nestled
 against the scenic Rocky foothills only a few minutes away by car
 where you will find rivers, lakes, and forests.
 
 I recently bought a house and have to leave my rental  by the end of
 August. The rental is -- a nice three  bedroom, two bath, two car
 garage, fully equipped kitchen, large entertainment room, big back
 yard--house that I'm willing to work out any reasonable rent you want
 to pay.  (I'll make up the difference if it's below what I pay).
 
 This is an ideal home for those coming out to Colorado and want to
 check it out. We did and have decided that it's the best place we've
 found yet. So much so, that in four weeks, we've already bought a
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 He's permanently drunk on power, sycophancy and lies. But it cannot
 go on 
 forever. I sense that the legal, moral and political net is beginning
 to close 
 around him.  Can a trip to The Hague be far off? And when it comes, I
 think a 
 10-15 year sentence might be about right.  
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Makes me wonder  if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know for
 sure? And 
 I'm looking  for hard evidence, not just partisan attacks.

Good points all. Perhaps we will see a decent replacement, in every 
sense of the word...Can you imagine that? A President to be proud of. 
Boggles the imagination.





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[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev in Russia

2005-08-10 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Oddly enough, Laura Bush is a secret cigarette smoker. 
 
 That's interesting. I did not know that.

Yes, she was chain-smoking during the Repub Convention.
 
  Makes me wonder if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know
  for sure? 
 
 Back when Bush choked on a pretzel, there was much speculation that
 Evil Dewars was the cause.

Interesting. Thanks. 
 
 Alex





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   I wish the Christians would stop saying that their way is 
   better than anyone else's. It gets very boring, and it is 
   untrue. 
  
  And it drowns out the TMers saying the same thing.  :-)
 
 Although, of course, what TMers say is *about* their
 path, whereas what the Christians say *is* their path.

Excellent distinction. And many Christians believe that the only way 
to become one with God is to die physically. yow!

Of course the main shortcoming with TM's teachings is that you can 
wallow in the seven states of conciousness forever without gaining 
enlightenment. 

I don't know if that is an actual shortcoming, or just an example of 
the expression, 'you can lead a TMer to Brahman, but you can't make 
him drink'. 

In other words, after Maherishi provides us the tools for experiencing 
the other 4 states of conciousness (tc, cc, gc, uc), how would he then 
tell us to go beyond them, to all inclusive Brahman? Any ideas anyone?

 But you knew that.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread Robert Gimbel
--Jesus never said these things.
His message is simply to radiate love and forgive.
What happened to his teaching was that it was taken and used for 
personal religious and political power.
When the Romans decided to make it a state religion, they used a 
paradigm which they were familiar with, and that is to make a person 
into a God. 
This was what Caesar believed he was, a god, and wanted to be 
worshiped as God.
The main antaganism between the Jews and the followers of Jesus, and 
the Romans was that the Romans wanted everyone to recognise the 
Caesar of Rome, to be God, and they demonstated the 'power' of Rome 
and the power of Caesar, through intimidation and terror.
Think of the mind of the Roman who would come up with the concept of 
crucifixion.
What kind of mind thinks something like this up?
Think of seeing thousands of your friends, hanging on wooden stakes, 
rotting in the sun, for what?
To demonstrate the 'power of Rome.
The most vulgar thing I can think of, is what people have done with 
Jesus' teaching, using his simple message, and crucifying him, over 
and over again.


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wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kjdruhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 
 [snip]
 
 
  
  Jesus Christ declared Himself to be the Savior and eternal Judge 
of 
  the world. He declared that there was no way to God except Him, 
that 
  He was the eternal I AM, Jehovah. 
 
 
 [snip]
 
 
 And is it therefore your position that unless a human being 
accepts 
 Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior that he/she will, 
after 
 death, rot in hell for all eternity?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I wish the Christians would stop saying that their way is better 
than
 anyone 
 else's. It gets very boring, and it is untrue. All people can 
really
 say about the 
 spiritual path they adopt is, It works for me, and I wish they
 would leave it at 
 that. 


I think it's more than just boring...I think it's the epitome of 
the very evil that they are trying to convince us we are on the side 
of for not accepting JC.

Can you imagine the Son of God condemning 80% of humanity to burn in 
hell for all eternity because they don't ascribe to the perverted 
and twisted interpretation of a part of the Bible that was never 
meant to be used as a recruiting marketing ploy?



 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kjdruhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  Dear friends,
  
  I apologize for the long delay in responding to your postings 
about 
  the PBS feature. Where to start? I don't want this to be a 
  theological discussion. What we are talking about is grounded in 
  experience and relationship; it is my experience of relationship 
  with Christ. Still, that experience has been based on my 
  understanding of who Christ is, who I am and what the nature of 
our 
  relationship can be. 
  
  So what about TM would prevent me from accepting Jesus as my one
 and 
  only Savior? Two things: For one the teaching that my spiritual 
  situation is one of ignorance, not of sin. There is no concept 
of a 
  savior or of salvation in the Vedic teachings, because there is 
no 
  concept of sin, nothing one needs to be saved from. There is a
 place 
  for a teacher in this, but no place for a Savior.
  
  Jesus Christ declared Himself to be the Savior and eternal Judge 
of 
  the world. He declared that there was no way to God except Him,
 that 
  He was the eternal I AM, Jehovah. So, He is either God, as He 
said 
  and as many witnesses testified, or He was insane, or He was 
Satan. 
  If what He said was not true, He was either out of His mind (and 
  this is what the religious Jews said), or He knowingly led 
millions 
  and millions of people into spiritual deception, a satanic 
  undertaking. No founder of any religion that I am aware of ever
 made 
  the claims that He made, neither did any perform the miracles 
that 
  He did, neither did any extend healing and forgiveness freely to 
  everyone who asked for it.
  
  What then did Christ save me from, what was my sin? I could come 
up 
  with many instances of sinful behavior in my life, and would 
still 
  miss the point. My sin is my state of separation from God, my 
  spiritual pride and self-centeredness, my attempt to usurp the
 place 
  of God and exalt myself to be the ruler. Does not that sound 
  familiar, to those of us who have been promised to become the 
  masters of natural law? And is not this the core of Satan's lie 
to 
  man, that he can become like God?
  
  So, what evidence is there for one side or the other? I must
 confess 
  that I cannot find much if any empirical evidence for the divine
 and 
  universal nature of unredeemed man, but overwhelming evidence 
for 
  his evil nature. And I can also report that I am seeing in 
myself 
  and others the great cleansing and healing power of Christ, as I 
am 
  yielding myself to His Lordship over my live. An intimately
 personal 
  working of Christ in me, an ongoing transformation in my heart 
that 
  only God can do.
  
  This then brings us to the second point of separation: the
 spiritual 
  practice. The Christian spiritual practice is a matter of the 
will: 
  the will to submit to the Lordship of Christ and His working in 
me. 
  This is an ongoing commitment that I need to renew daily in
 freedom, 
  as my relationship with Christ expands and as His nature 
overtakes 
  more and more of my mind, will and emotions. So, no technique is 
  required. Rather, techniques have to be excluded as being a means
 to 
  assert self-rule over the rule of Christ.
  
  The Christian techniques of quiet prayer, that are often 
  mentioned, are not techniques at all, but are modes of communion 
  with Christ. It matters with whom you commune and in what 
spirit, 
  not what you say and how often.
  
  To answer sparaig's question: No, TM doesn't prevent God from
 making 
  a connection. God is making connections all the time, to every
 human 
  being. But it does prevent the individual from receiving the 
  fullness of it. God respects your free will, and He never 
imposes 
  Himself on you. The choice is yours, communion with your Savior 
and 
  Lord, or assertion of self.
  
  So much for now.
  
  Sincerely
  
  Kai




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

2005-08-10 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/10/05 10:52 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 Jagger mauls Bush
 (Tuesday August 09, 2005 10:14 AM)
 
 The Rolling Stones accuse President George W Bush of being
 full of sh*t on their new album, it has emerged.
 
 That Mick, always strutting the obvious.  :-)
 
 Really, good for Mick.  Given the respective
 levels of personal power involved, I suspect
 that a showdown between Mick and Dubya would
 turn out pretty much like the confrontation
 between Turner and Chas in Performance.
 
 There is much about Mr. Jagger to be apprec-
 iated, in the Tomwise sense of the word. He's
 62, he looks better physically than he's looked
 for much of his life, and he's still got the
 energy to rock 'n roll.  There are far less cool
 ways to pass an incarnation.

Now Keith Richards, OTOH.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --Jesus never said these things.

And how do you KNOW this? 

btw, does thinking this help bolster your own world view, makes you
feel more comfortable with your own philosophy? If so, is there much
doubt as to why you lash out at world view that contradict your own?

Again, how would you know for certain what some man 2000 years ago,
speaking a dead language, using idioms of the day -- of which al but
the most arcane sholars are familiar, actually said? 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

2005-08-10 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
  Jagger mauls Bush 
  (Tuesday August 09, 2005 10:14 AM) 
  
  The Rolling Stones accuse President George W Bush of being 
  full of sh*t on their new album, it has emerged.
 
 That Mick, always strutting the obvious.  :-)
 
 Really, good for Mick.  Given the respective
 levels of personal power involved, I suspect 
 that a showdown between Mick and Dubya would 
 turn out pretty much like the confrontation 
 between Turner and Chas in Performance.




I wonder how many readers on this forum are aware of your reference 
to Performance which I saw about 5 times when it came out when I 
was about 15 years old.  A pretty groovy movie, but as a 15 year-old 
I went back again and again for the bath tub scenes in which Mick 
suds up with the incredibly beautiful Anita Pallenberg (who later 
married and had children with Keith Richards) and another lady.

The co-director of the movie (it was his first) was Nicolas Roeg 
whom I did not appreciate at the time but who has since directed one 
of my all-time favourite movies: Bad Timing (A sensual obsession) 
starring Art Garfunkel, Theresa Russell (who Roeg married), and 
Harvey Keitel.  Just an incredible movie that I am constantly trying 
to get a DVD copy of but they haven't released it yet in a format 
compatible for US DVD's.  I once sent away for a video copy on ebay 
that was of very poor quality because it was a bootleg and I have 
never bothered to see it in full because it hurts too much seeing a 
version where the quality is so bad.

Roeg made three movies where he made had a Rock star in the starring 
role: David Bowie (Man who fell to Earth), Art Garfunkel (Bad 
Timing), and Jagger (Performance)...kinda like that nutty but fun 
director Ken Russel who made several movies in the '70s with Rock 
Stars.




 
 There is much about Mr. Jagger to be apprec-
 iated, in the Tomwise sense of the word. He's
 62, he looks better physically than he's looked
 for much of his life, and he's still got the
 energy to rock 'n roll.  There are far less cool
 ways to pass an incarnation.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread feste37
We already had one of those, Jim. His name was Bill Clinton. He
fought a 
valiant battle against the right-wing nutters and has never received
much 
credit for it. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  He's permanently drunk on power, sycophancy and lies. But it
cannot
  go on 
  forever. I sense that the legal, moral and political net is
beginning
  to close 
  around him.  Can a trip to The Hague be far off? And when it
comes, I
  think a 
  10-15 year sentence might be about right.  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  Makes me wonder  if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know for
  sure? And 
  I'm looking  for hard evidence, not just partisan attacks.
 
 Good points all. Perhaps we will see a decent replacement, in every 
 sense of the word...Can you imagine that? A President to be proud
of. 
 Boggles the imagination.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

2005-08-10 Thread Robert Gimbel
-Mick seems to be the ultimate rock star, and has no shame about 
anything, really, 
He has claimed to be the most bedded person in the world, having 
slept with over a thousand women.
It would be nice if we all could be so, guilt-free!


-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   
   Jagger mauls Bush 
   (Tuesday August 09, 2005 10:14 AM) 
   
   The Rolling Stones accuse President George W Bush of being 
   full of sh*t on their new album, it has emerged.
  
  That Mick, always strutting the obvious.  :-)
  
  Really, good for Mick.  Given the respective
  levels of personal power involved, I suspect 
  that a showdown between Mick and Dubya would 
  turn out pretty much like the confrontation 
  between Turner and Chas in Performance.
 
 
 
 
 I wonder how many readers on this forum are aware of your 
reference 
 to Performance which I saw about 5 times when it came out when I 
 was about 15 years old.  A pretty groovy movie, but as a 15 year-
old 
 I went back again and again for the bath tub scenes in which Mick 
 suds up with the incredibly beautiful Anita Pallenberg (who later 
 married and had children with Keith Richards) and another lady.
 
 The co-director of the movie (it was his first) was Nicolas Roeg 
 whom I did not appreciate at the time but who has since directed 
one 
 of my all-time favourite movies: Bad Timing (A sensual 
obsession) 
 starring Art Garfunkel, Theresa Russell (who Roeg married), and 
 Harvey Keitel.  Just an incredible movie that I am constantly 
trying 
 to get a DVD copy of but they haven't released it yet in a format 
 compatible for US DVD's.  I once sent away for a video copy on 
ebay 
 that was of very poor quality because it was a bootleg and I have 
 never bothered to see it in full because it hurts too much seeing 
a 
 version where the quality is so bad.
 
 Roeg made three movies where he made had a Rock star in the 
starring 
 role: David Bowie (Man who fell to Earth), Art Garfunkel (Bad 
 Timing), and Jagger (Performance)...kinda like that nutty but 
fun 
 director Ken Russel who made several movies in the '70s with Rock 
 Stars.
 
 
 
 
  
  There is much about Mr. Jagger to be apprec-
  iated, in the Tomwise sense of the word. He's
  62, he looks better physically than he's looked
  for much of his life, and he's still got the
  energy to rock 'n roll.  There are far less cool
  ways to pass an incarnation.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread Robert Gimbel
---I had heard that Laura was a pot-head; I'm not sure whether booze 
or cocaine was W's drug of choice.
What is more dangerous, is what they call in AA a dry drunk.
A dry drunk is someone who quits drinking on their own, without 
dealing with the underlying issues that caused the addiction.
A dry drunk can be more dangerous, actually, angry and vengeful.
Whether or not he still drinks, I don't know; 
I have heard a few months ago, that he is taking some strong anti-
depressents, and I have noticed some facial tics that would suggest 
this, as this is a side-effect of some of those medications.
He has an addiction to exercise now, which is good.
But more and more, his karma is closing in on him, from all sides.
I have heard that the Rove leak stuff, which is under investigation 
now, could really nail the whole corrupt administration.

 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   Oddly enough, Laura Bush is a secret cigarette smoker. 
  
  That's interesting. I did not know that.
 
 Yes, she was chain-smoking during the Repub Convention.
  
   Makes me wonder if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know
   for sure? 
  
  Back when Bush choked on a pretzel, there was much speculation 
that
  Evil Dewars was the cause.
 
 Interesting. Thanks. 
  
  Alex




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I wish the Christians would stop saying that their way is 
  better than anyone else's. It gets very boring, and it is 
  untrue. 
 
 And it drowns out the TMers saying the same thing.  :-)



I don't mind TMers -- or Christians for that matter! -- saying their 
way is the BEST way...what I do mind is for either group saying their 
way is the ONLY way.

In 32 years of doing TM and being around the TMO I have never ONCE 
heard ONE person every claim that.

And what's wrong with thinking that the spiritual technique one does 
is the best for him or herself?  Hey, if it wasn't what I felt was the 
best I wouldn't waste my time doing it!





 
  All people can really say about the spiritual path they 
  adopt is, It works for me, and I wish they would leave 
  it at that.
 
 Amen.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- I have read many books on the matter.
Crucifixion was a Roman method of execution, and thousands were 
executed in that matter; we have all heard the stories of the vicious 
nature of the Romans...
When the Romans adopted Jesus' teachings, they attempted to Romanize 
it, and take all Jewishness out.
After all, the Romans hated the Jews, and felt superior to them.
So, why is it so hard to believe, that such a people would not corrupt 
and pervert his teachings for thier own purposes.
You must have heard the stories, of the inquisition, and the witch 
trials, in Germany, and other parts of Europe, when anyone could 
accuse anyone else, of being a witch; and subject them to torture and 
burning alive in public. In the name of religion, more people have 
been killed. What in God's name does any of this have to do with the 
person who Jesus was?
So, this dosen't sound intuitive correct to you, then I could offer no 
proof, as old themes die hard, and it is impossible to teach 
something, when one does not care to learn.


In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --Jesus never said these things.
 
 And how do you KNOW this? 
 
 btw, does thinking this help bolster your own world view, makes you
 feel more comfortable with your own philosophy? If so, is there much
 doubt as to why you lash out at world view that contradict your own?
 
 Again, how would you know for certain what some man 2000 years ago,
 speaking a dead language, using idioms of the day -- of which al but
 the most arcane sholars are familiar, actually said?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   Notable People Who Died of Lung Cancer By The Associated Press 
   Tue Aug 9, 7:38 PM ET

   
   
   A select list of notable people who've died of lung cancer 
over 
 the 
   years: 
  
  Be interesting to see that list correlated with smoking...
 
 Oddly enough, Laura Bush is a secret cigarette smoker. Makes me 
wonder 
 if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know for sure? And I'm 
looking 
 for hard evidence, not just partisan attacks.


I heard that Laura is a chain-smoker with a real addictive problem.

I would assume that George, being a born-again true-believer, has 
been a teetotaler since accepting JC.  Isn't that the profile of the 
typical born-again?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Account notify

2005-08-10 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

That's the second virus infected post from steve.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
 jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Makes me wonder  if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know for
sure? And I'm looking  for hard evidence, not just partisan attacks.

Tom T writes:
It doesn't really matter since he has all the characteristics of the
dry drunk. It is not the drinking as much as the stinking
thinking. Since our Dubya never went through real recovery he has
just substituted one addiction for religion and power. Both of these
have rather larger ramifications to others and or society. Yes, I have
gone through recovery which makes it easier to see. If you want the
definite view on this read When Society becomes an Addict by Ann
Marie Wilson Schief. Tom




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[FairfieldLife] Moving stuff

2005-08-10 Thread Camille Nichols
We still have lots of books
2 dressers
Couch and loveseat set made by Camio- were $4500 new, now asking $225 or 
best offer
Toys
Toddler girls clothes
Plus sized womens clothes
Lots of food
Kitchen items including lots of tupperware, some 1 yr old

55 gallon show aquarium w/stand, hood, lights, heater, filter, substrate
Matching 20 gallon show aquarium w/stand, hood, lights, heater, filter, 
substrate

Some tropical fish, african cichlids, South American cichlids

If you are in need of some of the above, and are broke, I do have things 
I would give away to those in need- for the rest, donation only of what 
YOU feel its worth (except the couch  loveseat).

Email if you can use anything, we're leaving next week.

Camille






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We already had one of those, Jim. His name was Bill Clinton. He
 fought a 
 valiant battle against the right-wing nutters and has never received
 much 
 credit for it.

Yeah, I liked Clinton a lot. His dilly-dallying with a lot of women 
really hurt his image though, and didn't do much for setting a good 
moral tone for the country. Maybe I'm just sensitive with a teenage 
daughter of my own...

Well, they say Republicans get in trouble over money and the Democrats 
get in trouble over sex... 
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev in Russia

2005-08-10 Thread Robert Gimbel
---  Thankyou Comrade!

 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
Notable People Who Died of Lung Cancer By The Associated 
Press 
Tue Aug 9, 7:38 PM ET
 


A select list of notable people who've died of lung cancer 
 over 
  the 
years: 
   
   Be interesting to see that list correlated with smoking...
  
  Oddly enough, Laura Bush is a secret cigarette smoker. Makes me 
 wonder 
  if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know for sure? And I'm 
 looking 
  for hard evidence, not just partisan attacks.
 
 
 I heard that Laura is a chain-smoker with a real addictive problem.
 
 I would assume that George, being a born-again true-believer, has 
 been a teetotaler since accepting JC.  Isn't that the profile of 
the 
 typical born-again?

yep, though I've heard reports that he has replaced alcohol to a 
large extent with powerful prescription drugs.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
 Makes me wonder  if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know for
 sure? And I'm looking  for hard evidence, not just partisan 
attacks.
 
 Tom T writes:
 It doesn't really matter since he has all the characteristics of 
the
 dry drunk. It is not the drinking as much as the stinking
 thinking. Since our Dubya never went through real recovery he has
 just substituted one addiction for religion and power. Both of 
these
 have rather larger ramifications to others and or society. Yes, I 
have
 gone through recovery which makes it easier to see. If you want the
 definite view on this read When Society becomes an Addict by Ann
 Marie Wilson Schief. Tom

Yes, I have heard that; of Bush being a non-recovered dry drunk. 
i'll look for that book too next time I'm at the library. Thanks Tom.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- I have read many books on the matter.

so that proves it I guess. Lots of books surely give you the
definative view as to what Jesus actually said 2000 years ago speaking
aramaic -- a languange I presume you do not speak.

 Crucifixion was a Roman method of execution, and thousands were 
 executed in that matter; we have all heard the stories of the vicious 
 nature of the Romans...
 When the Romans adopted Jesus' teachings, they attempted to Romanize 
 it, and take all Jewishness out.
 After all, the Romans hated the Jews, and felt superior to them.

So let me see if I got this. Romans killed people with crucifixes and
hated jews. They romanized things. And thus you know what jesus
actually said. Ok, that makes sense, i'm following you so far. 

 So, why is it so hard to believe, that such a people would not
corrupt and pervert his teachings for thier own purposes.

Not so hard. But how in heavens name does that make your
interpretation of what Jesus said correct?

 You must have heard the stories, of the inquisition, and the witch 
 trials, in Germany, and other parts of Europe, when anyone could 
 accuse anyone else, of being a witch; and subject them to torture
and burning alive in public. In the name of religion, more people have 
been killed. What in God's name does any of this have to do with the 
person who Jesus was?

Um not much. But what in God's name does any of this have to do with
the making you knowledgable about what Jesus actually said? 

  So, this dosen't sound intuitive correct to you, then I could
offer no proof, as old themes die hard, and it is impossible to teach 
something, when one does not care to learn.

Sounds like arguments any number of groups use. These could just as
well be the words of a creationist, and pseudo neo-advaitist or a
white-arayan. Such words all play on the insecurites of naive people.

Personally, I think Jesus plagerized the Beatles.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ---I had heard that Laura was a pot-head; I'm not sure whether 
booze 
 or cocaine was W's drug of choice.
 What is more dangerous, is what they call in AA a dry drunk.
 A dry drunk is someone who quits drinking on their own, without 
 dealing with the underlying issues that caused the addiction.
 A dry drunk can be more dangerous, actually, angry and vengeful.
 Whether or not he still drinks, I don't know; 
 I have heard a few months ago, that he is taking some strong anti-
 depressents, and I have noticed some facial tics that would 
suggest 
 this, as this is a side-effect of some of those medications.
 He has an addiction to exercise now, which is good.
 But more and more, his karma is closing in on him, from all sides.
 I have heard that the Rove leak stuff, which is under 
investigation 
 now, could really nail the whole corrupt administration.

re: his karma closing in- it really is starting to feel like just 
before it begins to rain...Of course I've thought that before, so 
we'll see if anything happens.
 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Account notify

2005-08-10 Thread Rick Archer
He's on a Mac. He's also camping in Colorado at the moment. When did you
receive it?


on 8/10/05 12:42 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip Sounds like arguments any number of groups use. These could 
just as
 well be the words of a creationist, and pseudo neo-advaitist or a
 white-arayan. Such words all play on the insecurites of naive people.
 
 Personally, I think Jesus plagerized the Beatles.

Ha-ha! Now I can't wait to call someone a 'pseudo neo-advaitist'!!! 
Made my day! Thanks! 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ---I had heard that Laura was a pot-head; I'm not sure whether booze 
 or cocaine was W's drug of choice.
 What is more dangerous, is what they call in AA a dry drunk.
 A dry drunk is someone who quits drinking on their own, without 
 dealing with the underlying issues that caused the addiction.
 A dry drunk can be more dangerous, actually, angry and vengeful.
 Whether or not he still drinks, I don't know; 
 I have heard a few months ago, that he is taking some strong anti-
 depressents, and I have noticed some facial tics that would suggest 
 this, as this is a side-effect of some of those medications.
 He has an addiction to exercise now, which is good.
 But more and more, his karma is closing in on him, from all sides.
 I have heard that the Rove leak stuff, which is under investigation 
 now, could really nail the whole corrupt administration.
 
  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
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   wrote:
Oddly enough, Laura Bush is a secret cigarette smoker. 
   
   That's interesting. I did not know that.
  
  Yes, she was chain-smoking during the Repub Convention.
   
Makes me wonder if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know
for sure? 
   
   Back when Bush choked on a pretzel, there was much speculation 
 that
   Evil Dewars was the cause.
  
  Interesting. Thanks. 
   
   Alex

I hope that the knowlege of higher states of consciousness is more
first hand than all the political innuendo that flies around no
wonder we were all such easy pickens.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

2005-08-10 Thread shempmcgurk
Ooh, Jagger is such a courageous opinion-maker putting himself out 
there and risking the wrath of the powers that be. Ooh, what a 
trailblazer.

It should be noted that the last time Jagger and the Rolling Stones 
ever tried to do something controversial was back in the '70s when 
they wrote and recorded the song Claudine about Andy Williams' ex-
wife Claudine Longet who murdered her lover, ski Champion Spider 
Sabish, in 1976 and served only 30 days in an Aspen, Colorado jail.  
Those brave souls, the Rolling Stones, were so fearful of being sued 
by Longet, that they never released the song and it is only 
available as a bootleg.

At least Bob Dylan recorded and released Hurricane in support of 
Rubin Hurricane Carter (who, of course, turned out to be so 
obviously guilty as hell).

Boy, that Mick is really brave, isn't he?






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Jagger mauls Bush 
 (Tuesday August 09, 2005 10:14 AM) 
 
 The Rolling Stones accuse President George W Bush of being full 
of sh*t on their new album, it has emerged.
 
 Sweet Neo Con, one of the tracks on the band's forthcoming LP A 
Bigger Bang, is known to be fiercely anti-Bush.
 
 However, the full force of the lyrics and Mick Jagger's disdain 
for the American leader has now been confirmed, with The Stones 
singer revealing the lyrics in a new interview.
 
 An extract from Sweet Neo Con features the following lines: You 
call yourself a Christian, I call you a hypocrite/You call yourself 
a patriot, well I think you're full of sh*t. 
 
 Speaking to Newsweek, Jagger explained the background to the 
track. It is direct. Keith said (adopting Richards' voice), 'It's 
not really metaphorical.' 
 
 I think he's a bit worried because he lives in the U.S. But I 
don't, commented Sir Mick.
 
 A Bigger Bang is released on September 5 and is preceded by the 
single, Streets Of Love on August 22. The band begin their 
forthcoming world tour in Boston on August 21. 
 
 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Account notify

2005-08-10 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 He's on a Mac. He's also camping in Colorado at the moment. When did you
 receive it?
 
 
 on 8/10/05 12:42 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
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I responed to it posted here. Through the web interface.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 snip Sounds like arguments any number of groups use. These could 
 just as
  well be the words of a creationist, and pseudo neo-advaitist or a
  white-arayan. Such words all play on the insecurites of naive people.
  
  Personally, I think Jesus plagerized the Beatles.
 
 Ha-ha! Now I can't wait to call someone a 'pseudo neo-advaitist'!!! 
 Made my day! Thanks!

Yea, I didn't want to give the impression that ALL neo-adviatists were
phonies. So I threw in the pseudo. Actually I think
quasi-reformationist pseudo neo-advaitist plagerists is  a better
term to capture the thought I was getting at. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 He's permanently drunk on power, sycophancy and lies. But it cannot
 go on 
 forever. I sense that the legal, moral and political net is beginning
 to close 
 around him.  Can a trip to The Hague be far off? And when it comes, I
 think a 
 10-15 year sentence might be about right.  

Such a possibility occurring has about as much chance as Jane Fonda 
and John Kerry being tried for aiding enabling the communist holocaust 
that took place in SouthEast Asia after the US pullout from VietNam...


 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Makes me wonder  if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know for
 sure? And 
 I'm looking  for hard evidence, not just partisan attacks.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

2005-08-10 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Ooh, Jagger is such a courageous opinion-maker putting himself out 
 there and risking the wrath of the powers that be. Ooh, what a 
 trailblazer.
 
 It should be noted that the last time Jagger and the Rolling Stones 
 ever tried to do something controversial was back in the '70s when 
 they wrote and recorded the song Claudine about Andy Williams' ex-
 wife Claudine Longet who murdered her lover, ski Champion Spider 
 Sabish,

Sabich. Its Spider Sabich! You psuedo quasi neo-non skier!  

 in 1976 and served only 30 days in an Aspen, Colorado jail.  
 Those brave souls, the Rolling Stones, were so fearful of being sued 
 by Longet, that they never released the song and it is only 
 available as a bootleg.
 
 At least Bob Dylan recorded and released Hurricane in support of 
 Rubin Hurricane Carter (who, of course, turned out to be so 
 obviously guilty as hell).
 
 Boy, that Mick is really brave, isn't he?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Jagger mauls Bush 
  (Tuesday August 09, 2005 10:14 AM) 
  
  The Rolling Stones accuse President George W Bush of being full 
 of sh*t on their new album, it has emerged.
  
  Sweet Neo Con, one of the tracks on the band's forthcoming LP A 
 Bigger Bang, is known to be fiercely anti-Bush.
  
  However, the full force of the lyrics and Mick Jagger's disdain 
 for the American leader has now been confirmed, with The Stones 
 singer revealing the lyrics in a new interview.
  
  An extract from Sweet Neo Con features the following lines: You 
 call yourself a Christian, I call you a hypocrite/You call yourself 
 a patriot, well I think you're full of sh*t. 
  
  Speaking to Newsweek, Jagger explained the background to the 
 track. It is direct. Keith said (adopting Richards' voice), 'It's 
 not really metaphorical.' 
  
  I think he's a bit worried because he lives in the U.S. But I 
 don't, commented Sir Mick.
  
  A Bigger Bang is released on September 5 and is preceded by the 
 single, Streets Of Love on August 22. The band begin their 
 forthcoming world tour in Boston on August 21. 
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev in Russia

2005-08-10 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason 
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 http://gurudev.nm.ru/

...how about Prabhupada in Russia?

http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/war_arr.htm

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  snip Sounds like arguments any number of groups use. These 
could 
  just as
   well be the words of a creationist, and pseudo neo-advaitist 
or a
   white-arayan. Such words all play on the insecurites of naive 
people.
   
   Personally, I think Jesus plagerized the Beatles.
  
  Ha-ha! Now I can't wait to call someone a 'pseudo neo-
advaitist'!!! 
  Made my day! Thanks!
 
 Yea, I didn't want to give the impression that ALL neo-adviatists 
were
 phonies. So I threw in the pseudo. Actually I think
 quasi-reformationist pseudo neo-advaitist plagerists is  a better
 term to capture the thought I was getting at.

Of course! Why didn't I think of that? 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   snip Sounds like arguments any number of groups use. These 
 could 
   just as
well be the words of a creationist, and pseudo neo-advaitist 
 or a
white-arayan. Such words all play on the insecurites of naive 
 people.

Personally, I think Jesus plagerized the Beatles.
   
   Ha-ha! Now I can't wait to call someone a 'pseudo neo-
 advaitist'!!! 
   Made my day! Thanks!
  
  Yea, I didn't want to give the impression that ALL neo-adviatists 
 were
  phonies. So I threw in the pseudo. Actually I think
  quasi-reformationist pseudo neo-advaitist plagerists is  a better
  term to capture the thought I was getting at.
 
 Of course! Why didn't I think of that?


You are not as over-clocked as I am?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread Llundrub





I think it's more than just "boring"...I think it's the epitome of 
the very evil that they are trying to convince us we are on the side of 
for not accepting JC.Can you imagine the Son of God condemning 80% of 
humanity to burn in hell for all eternity because they don't ascribe to the 
perverted and twisted interpretation of a part of the Bible that was never 
meant to be used as a recruiting marketing ploy?I just never understood how people could rely upon a thought 
or a concatenation of thoughts as a reality. 

It seemed to me that the only sound basis for any 
spiritual discovery had to be ones basic awareness, and since that never changes 
anything else just had to be relative to that. 

If Christians cannot cope with that experience then I 
cannot cope with their snobbish insistence upon their concatenated conceits. 


Especially if they think that their devil has spawned 
rock and roll. If you cannot accept rock and roll then I cannot accept 
your Jesus, because I sure as fuck am not listening to harp music in your vague 
cloud 9.

It's like I always said to my wife. "Where is the 
soul?" She is smart and said, "Somewhere in here." Describing a 
square area in the chest. I said, "OK, but what is it's form, what doesn it look 
like?" She would say, "I don't know." I'm like, "Well, don't they 
teach what the soul is, where it is, what it looks like, etc... in Catholic 
school?" She said, "Probably, but I forget." 

My point is that if you don't know what your soul is, 
what it looks like, what it's nature then what the fuck are you fightin for, and 
who are you fighting? You might be fighting your very own soul. But 
you won't know it. Maybe the evil clutches of Satan you feel are the wings 
of your soul flapping. How will you ever know if you don't have the faith 
and guts to find out. If you run in fear the first time you feel the 
breath of eternity then you're doomed. In my book. 

Sogo hold onto your McDonald's hamburger. It's 
about as close to your own soul as most Christians will ever get. Fear the 
laughter, fear the sex, fear the drugs, fear all of God's creations, run from 
the Sharks. Don't go into the water. 

OK, gotta wash the dishes. 






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

2005-08-10 Thread Llundrub





Get a program called Emule and you 
can download it. Here's a link: Bad 
Timing (1980 - Theresa Russel Nicola Roeg).avi 


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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. 
Bush..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
 wrote:Jagger mauls Bush   
(Tuesday August 09, 2005 10:14 AM) The Rolling 
Stones accuse President George W Bush of being   "full of sh*t" on 
their new album, it has emerged.  That Mick, always strutting 
the obvious. :-)  Really, good for Mick. Given the 
respective levels of personal power involved, I suspect  that a 
showdown between Mick and Dubya would  turn out pretty much like the 
confrontation  between Turner and Chas in 
"Performance."I wonder how many readers on this forum are 
aware of your reference to "Performance" which I saw about 5 times when it 
came out when I was about 15 years old. A pretty groovy movie, but as 
a 15 year-old I went back again and again for the bath tub scenes in which 
Mick suds up with the incredibly beautiful Anita Pallenberg (who later 
married and had children with Keith Richards) and another lady.The 
co-director of the movie (it was his first) was Nicolas Roeg whom I did not 
appreciate at the time but who has since directed one of my all-time 
favourite movies: "Bad Timing (A sensual obsession)" starring Art Garfunkel, 
Theresa Russell (who Roeg married), and Harvey Keitel. Just an 
incredible movie that I am constantly trying to get a DVD copy of but they 
haven't released it yet in a format compatible for US DVD's. I once 
sent away for a video copy on ebay that was of very poor quality because it 
was a bootleg and I have never bothered to see it in full because it hurts 
too much seeing a version where the quality is so bad.Roeg made 
three movies where he made had a Rock star in the starring role: David Bowie 
("Man who fell to Earth"), Art Garfunkel ("Bad Timing"), and Jagger 
("Performance")...kinda like that nutty but fun director Ken Russel who made 
several movies in the '70s with Rock Stars.  
There is much about Mr. Jagger to be apprec- iated, in the Tomwise sense 
of the word. He's 62, he looks better physically than he's 
looked for much of his life, and he's still got the energy to 
rock 'n roll. There are far less cool ways to pass an 
incarnation.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

2005-08-10 Thread Llundrub





What's with the guilt. I have turned 
down a couple gorgeous chicks because they were a bit too slutty for me. 
Regrets, yes, later, guilt, no, never. If I fucked them now that I'm married 
then yes, guilt. But the wife would find a way to make me pay even if it took 
all eternity. People look elsewhere for the Lords of Karma. Look no further than 
the wife. 


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From: Robert Gimbel 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:17 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. 
Bush..'
-Mick seems to be the ultimate rock star, and has no shame 
about anything, really, He has claimed to be the most bedded person in 
the world, having slept with over a thousand women.It would be nice if 
we all could be so, guilt-free!-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"shempmcgurk" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:  --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:  Jagger mauls Bush 
   (Tuesday August 09, 2005 10:14 AM)
   The Rolling Stones accuse President George W Bush of being 
   "full of sh*t" on their new album, it has emerged. 
   That Mick, always strutting the obvious. :-) 
   Really, good for Mick. Given the respective 
 levels of personal power involved, I suspect   that a showdown 
between Mick and Dubya would   turn out pretty much like the 
confrontation   between Turner and Chas in "Performance." 
I wonder how many readers on this forum are 
aware of your reference  to "Performance" which I saw about 5 times 
when it came out when I  was about 15 years old. A pretty groovy 
movie, but as a 15 year-old  I went back again and again for the 
bath tub scenes in which Mick  suds up with the incredibly beautiful 
Anita Pallenberg (who later  married and had children with Keith 
Richards) and another lady.  The co-director of the movie (it 
was his first) was Nicolas Roeg  whom I did not appreciate at the time 
but who has since directed one  of my all-time favourite movies: 
"Bad Timing (A sensual obsession)"  starring Art Garfunkel, Theresa 
Russell (who Roeg married), and  Harvey Keitel. Just an incredible 
movie that I am constantly trying  to get a DVD copy of but they 
haven't released it yet in a format  compatible for US DVD's. I 
once sent away for a video copy on ebay  that was of very poor 
quality because it was a bootleg and I have  never bothered to see it in 
full because it hurts too much seeing a  version where the quality 
is so bad.  Roeg made three movies where he made had a Rock star 
in the starring  role: David Bowie ("Man who fell to Earth"), Art 
Garfunkel ("Bad  Timing"), and Jagger ("Performance")...kinda like that 
nutty but fun  director Ken Russel who made several movies in the 
'70s with Rock  Stars.  
  There is much about Mr. Jagger to be apprec-  iated, 
in the Tomwise sense of the word. He's  62, he looks better 
physically than he's looked  for much of his life, and he's still 
got the  energy to rock 'n roll. There are far less 
cool  ways to pass an incarnation.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread Llundrub





C'mon, Laura Bush smoke pot? 
She's not intelligent enough to handle the high. Her brain would implode 
and then melt into a synchophantic volumn of LaHaye's neverending apocalypse. 



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From: Robert Gimbel 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:26 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list
---I had heard that Laura was a pot-head; I'm not sure 
whether booze or cocaine was W's drug of choice.What is more dangerous, 
is what they call in AA a dry drunk.A dry drunk is someone who quits 
drinking on their own, without dealing with the underlying issues that 
caused the addiction.A dry drunk can be more dangerous, actually, angry and 
vengeful.Whether or not he still drinks, I don't know; I have heard a 
few months ago, that he is taking some strong anti-depressents, and I have 
noticed some facial tics that would suggest this, as this is a side-effect 
of some of those medications.He has an addiction to exercise now, which is 
good.But more and more, his karma is closing in on him, from all sides.I 
have heard that the Rove leak stuff, which is under investigation now, could 
really nail the whole corrupt administration.In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:   Oddly enough, Laura Bush is a secret cigarette 
smoker. That's interesting. I did not know 
that.  Yes, she was chain-smoking during the Repub 
Convention. Makes me wonder if W is a secret 
drinker...Does anyone know   for sure?
 Back when Bush choked on a pretzel, there was much speculation 
that  "Evil Dewars" was the cause.  Interesting. 
Thanks. Alex





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 I would assume that George, being a born-again true-believer, has 
 been a teetotaler since accepting JC.  Isn't that the profile of
 the typical born-again?

I don't think he gave up booze right away, actually.
That took a couple more years.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread Llundrub





Hey, since you've read alot about 
the cruxifiction (Cross Fiction) could you tell me whether the crosses 
were actually X shaped? Instead of T? 


- Original Message - 
From: Robert Gimbel 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS 
feature
--- I have read many books on the matter.Crucifixion was 
a Roman method of execution, and thousands were executed in that matter; we 
have all heard the stories of the vicious nature of the Romans...When 
the Romans adopted Jesus' teachings, they attempted to Romanize it, and take 
all Jewishness out.After all, the Romans hated the Jews, and felt superior 
to them.So, why is it so hard to believe, that such a people would not 
corrupt and pervert his teachings for thier own purposes.You must have 
heard the stories, of the inquisition, and the witch trials, in Germany, and 
other parts of Europe, when anyone could accuse anyone else, of being a 
witch; and subject them to torture and burning alive in public. In the name 
of religion, more people have been killed. What in God's name does any of 
this have to do with the person who Jesus was?So, this dosen't sound 
intuitive correct to you, then I could offer no proof, as old themes die 
hard, and it is impossible to teach something, when one does not care to 
learn.In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"Robert Gimbel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --Jesus 
never said these things.  And how do you KNOW this?  
 btw, does thinking this help bolster your own world view, makes 
you feel more comfortable with your own philosophy? If so, is there 
much doubt as to why you lash out at world view that contradict your 
own?  Again, how would you know for certain what some man 2000 
years ago, speaking a dead language, using idioms of the day -- of which 
al but the most arcane sholars are familiar, actually 
said?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread Robert Gimbel
--Hey, I think Laura's really hot! so watch out.
It's a known fact she sold and smoked pot in college.

- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 C'mon, Laura Bush smoke pot?  She's not intelligent enough to 
handle the high.  Her brain would implode and then melt into a 
synchophantic volumn of LaHaye's neverending apocalypse. 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Robert Gimbel 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:26 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list
 
 
 ---I had heard that Laura was a pot-head; I'm not sure whether 
booze 
 or cocaine was W's drug of choice.
 What is more dangerous, is what they call in AA a dry drunk.
 A dry drunk is someone who quits drinking on their own, without 
 dealing with the underlying issues that caused the addiction.
 A dry drunk can be more dangerous, actually, angry and vengeful.
 Whether or not he still drinks, I don't know; 
 I have heard a few months ago, that he is taking some strong anti-
 depressents, and I have noticed some facial tics that would 
suggest 
 this, as this is a side-effect of some of those medications.
 He has an addiction to exercise now, which is good.
 But more and more, his karma is closing in on him, from all sides.
 I have heard that the Rove leak stuff, which is under 
investigation 
 now, could really nail the whole corrupt administration.
 
 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
Oddly enough, Laura Bush is a secret cigarette smoker. 
   
   That's interesting. I did not know that.
  
  Yes, she was chain-smoking during the Repub Convention.
   
Makes me wonder if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know
for sure? 
   
   Back when Bush choked on a pretzel, there was much speculation 
 that
   Evil Dewars was the cause.
  
  Interesting. Thanks. 
   
   Alex
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   I wish the Christians would stop saying that their way is better
   than anyone else's.
  
  Not just a better way, but the only way.
  
   It gets very boring, and it is untrue. All people can really
   say about the spiritual path they adopt is, It works for me,
 and 
   I wish they would leave it at that.
  
  Trouble is, the only way is an integral part
  of the path; it's what works for them.  Take
  that away, and it's no longer Christianity.
 
 Well, it's no longer a simplistic and absolutist brand of
 Christianity that demands all shades of gray be dumbed down to black
 and white. However, not all denominations of Christianity make such
 demands. Some Christians can actually live with shades of gray and
 uncertainty and have no need to soothe themselves with a false
 certainty based on others being wrong.

I'm sure that's true, but if they don't believe Christ
is the *only* way to be reconciled with God, they're
not adhering to orthodox Christian doctrine.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread Robert Gimbel
---Hey, In those days, before computers, and Xerox machines, 
everything was kind of dependent on the availability of wood, and 
who was making the crosses.
Depending on the needs, of how many people were lined up to get 
nailed, sometimes any old thing would do. But in general, crosses 
were the mode.


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey, since you've read alot about the cruxifiction (Cross 
Fiction)  could you tell me whether the crosses were actually X 
shaped?  Instead of T?  
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Robert Gimbel 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature
 
 
 --- I have read many books on the matter.
 Crucifixion was a Roman method of execution, and thousands were 
 executed in that matter; we have all heard the stories of the 
vicious 
 nature of the Romans...
 When the Romans adopted Jesus' teachings, they attempted to 
Romanize 
 it, and take all Jewishness out.
 After all, the Romans hated the Jews, and felt superior to them.
 So, why is it so hard to believe, that such a people would not 
corrupt 
 and pervert his teachings for thier own purposes.
 You must have heard the stories, of the inquisition, and the witch 
 trials, in Germany, and other parts of Europe, when anyone could 
 accuse anyone else, of being a witch; and subject them to torture 
and 
 burning alive in public. In the name of religion, more people have 
 been killed. What in God's name does any of this have to do with 
the 
 person who Jesus was?
 So, this dosen't sound intuitive correct to you, then I could 
offer no 
 proof, as old themes die hard, and it is impossible to teach 
 something, when one does not care to learn.
 
 
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wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --Jesus never said these things.
  
  And how do you KNOW this? 
  
  btw, does thinking this help bolster your own world view, makes 
you
  feel more comfortable with your own philosophy? If so, is there 
much
  doubt as to why you lash out at world view that contradict your 
own?
  
  Again, how would you know for certain what some man 2000 years 
ago,
  speaking a dead language, using idioms of the day -- of which al 
but
  the most arcane sholars are familiar, actually said?
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
I wish the Christians would stop saying that their way is 
better than anyone else's. It gets very boring, and it is 
untrue. 
   
   And it drowns out the TMers saying the same thing.  :-)
  
  Although, of course, what TMers say is *about* their
  path, whereas what the Christians say *is* their path.
 
 Excellent distinction. And many Christians believe that the only 
 way to become one with God is to die physically. yow!

Well, no, you can never become one with God, in
Christian belief.  Jesus was the one and only who
ever was one with God, but he was God to begin with.

 Of course the main shortcoming with TM's teachings is that you can 
 wallow in the seven states of conciousness forever without gaining 
 enlightenment.

Five, six, and seven *are* enlightenment, according
to MMY.

 I don't know if that is an actual shortcoming, or just an example
 of the expression, 'you can lead a TMer to Brahman, but you can't 
 make him drink'. 
 
 In other words, after Maherishi provides us the tools for 
 experiencing the other 4 states of conciousness (tc, cc, gc, uc), 
 how would he then tell us to go beyond them, to all inclusive 
 Brahman? Any ideas anyone?

In my understanding, he says GC and UC, and presumably
BC as well--and whatever there is after BC--develop
naturally once you've reached CC.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bouncing

2005-08-10 Thread gullible fool
 
20 percent is an improvement. The first time I took a
look at those statistics, more than a third of the
members were bouncing. It's probably less now because
yahoo gives free email accounts 1 GB of storage. It
used to be 2 to 3 MB.


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 I just noticed that 219 of FFL's 963 members are
 bouncing. I don't
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 20%. And only is
 applicable to those who receive emails. Which is a
 minority, maybe
 20-30%. So 65-99% of email opters are air -- no
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread Robert Gimbel
---One of the best books I have found to read on this matter is:

Jesus and the Zealots (A Study of the Political Factor in Primitive 
Christianity) (Hardcover)
by S G F. Brandon (Author)

see: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/0684310104/qid=1123698971/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7619991-9000117?
v=glances=books



 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey, since you've read alot about the cruxifiction (Cross 
Fiction)  could you tell me whether the crosses were actually X 
shaped?  Instead of T?  
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Robert Gimbel 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:34 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature
 
 
 --- I have read many books on the matter.
 Crucifixion was a Roman method of execution, and thousands were 
 executed in that matter; we have all heard the stories of the 
vicious 
 nature of the Romans...
 When the Romans adopted Jesus' teachings, they attempted to 
Romanize 
 it, and take all Jewishness out.
 After all, the Romans hated the Jews, and felt superior to them.
 So, why is it so hard to believe, that such a people would not 
corrupt 
 and pervert his teachings for thier own purposes.
 You must have heard the stories, of the inquisition, and the witch 
 trials, in Germany, and other parts of Europe, when anyone could 
 accuse anyone else, of being a witch; and subject them to torture 
and 
 burning alive in public. In the name of religion, more people have 
 been killed. What in God's name does any of this have to do with 
the 
 person who Jesus was?
 So, this dosen't sound intuitive correct to you, then I could 
offer no 
 proof, as old themes die hard, and it is impossible to teach 
 something, when one does not care to learn.
 
 
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   --Jesus never said these things.
  
  And how do you KNOW this? 
  
  btw, does thinking this help bolster your own world view, makes 
you
  feel more comfortable with your own philosophy? If so, is there 
much
  doubt as to why you lash out at world view that contradict your 
own?
  
  Again, how would you know for certain what some man 2000 years 
ago,
  speaking a dead language, using idioms of the day -- of which al 
but
  the most arcane sholars are familiar, actually said?
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
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wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 snip Sounds like arguments any number of groups use. These 
   could 
 just as
  well be the words of a creationist, and pseudo neo-
 advaitist 
   or a
  white-arayan. Such words all play on the insecurites of 
 naive 
   people.
  
  Personally, I think Jesus plagerized the Beatles.
 
 Ha-ha! Now I can't wait to call someone a 'pseudo neo-
   advaitist'!!! 
 Made my day! Thanks!

Yea, I didn't want to give the impression that ALL neo-
 adviatists 
   were
phonies. So I threw in the pseudo. Actually I think
quasi-reformationist pseudo neo-advaitist plagerists is  a 
 better
term to capture the thought I was getting at.
   
   Of course! Why didn't I think of that?
  
  
  You are not as over-clocked as I am?
 
 could b-ee, less coff-ee for m-ee.


No coffee for me. Its that ketu-jupiter conjunction is causing my
synapses to over fire. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
 I wish the Christians would stop saying that their way is 
 better than anyone else's. It gets very boring, and it is 
 untrue. 

And it drowns out the TMers saying the same thing.  :-)
   
   Although, of course, what TMers say is *about* their
   path, whereas what the Christians say *is* their path.
  
  Excellent distinction. And many Christians believe that the only 
  way to become one with God is to die physically. yow!
 
 Well, no, you can never become one with God, in
 Christian belief.  Jesus was the one and only who
 ever was one with God, but he was God to begin with.
 
  Of course the main shortcoming with TM's teachings is that you 
can 
  wallow in the seven states of conciousness forever without 
gaining 
  enlightenment.
 
 Five, six, and seven *are* enlightenment, according
 to MMY.
 
  I don't know if that is an actual shortcoming, or just an example
  of the expression, 'you can lead a TMer to Brahman, but you 
can't 
  make him drink'. 
  
  In other words, after Maherishi provides us the tools for 
  experiencing the other 4 states of conciousness (tc, cc, gc, 
uc), 
  how would he then tell us to go beyond them, to all inclusive 
  Brahman? Any ideas anyone?
 
 In my understanding, he says GC and UC, and presumably
 BC as well--and whatever there is after BC--develop
 naturally once you've reached CC.

Yeah, I know he says that about gc and uc, but I didn't recall him 
talking about bc in the same way. Probably because it is impossible 
to...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We already had one of those, Jim. His name was Bill Clinton. He
 fought a 
 valiant battle against the right-wing nutters and has never 
received
 much 
 credit for it.



I would like to ask feste37 and anyone else that would like to weigh 
in on this:  

1) Did you and do you now support Bill Clinton?

2) Do you consider yourself a liberal?


 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   He's permanently drunk on power, sycophancy and lies. But it
 cannot
   go on 
   forever. I sense that the legal, moral and political net is
 beginning
   to close 
   around him.  Can a trip to The Hague be far off? And when it
 comes, I
   think a 
   10-15 year sentence might be about right.  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   Makes me wonder  if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know 
for
   sure? And 
   I'm looking  for hard evidence, not just partisan attacks.
  
  Good points all. Perhaps we will see a decent replacement, in 
every 
  sense of the word...Can you imagine that? A President to be proud
 of. 
  Boggles the imagination.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ---I had heard that Laura was a pot-head; I'm not sure whether 
booze 
 or cocaine was W's drug of choice.
 What is more dangerous, is what they call in AA a dry drunk.
 A dry drunk is someone who quits drinking on their own, without 
 dealing with the underlying issues that caused the addiction.
 A dry drunk can be more dangerous, actually, angry and vengeful.
 Whether or not he still drinks, I don't know; 
 I have heard a few months ago, that he is taking some strong anti-
 depressents, and I have noticed some facial tics that would 
suggest 
 this, as this is a side-effect of some of those medications.
 He has an addiction to exercise now, which is good.
 But more and more, his karma is closing in on him, from all sides.
 I have heard that the Rove leak stuff, which is under 
investigation 
 now, could really nail the whole corrupt administration.


You've heard that, have you?

Do a little exercise: compare the worst that has been said about 
Rove and Bush in this whole leak affair and assume that it is all 
true.  Then compare that to what Sandy Berger did when he stole 
classified documents in his socks.

Then tell us whether you think that it would, even remotely, nail 
the whole corrupt administration...




 
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 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
Oddly enough, Laura Bush is a secret cigarette smoker. 
   
   That's interesting. I did not know that.
  
  Yes, she was chain-smoking during the Repub Convention.
   
Makes me wonder if W is a secret drinker...Does anyone know
for sure? 
   
   Back when Bush choked on a pretzel, there was much speculation 
 that
   Evil Dewars was the cause.
  
  Interesting. Thanks. 
   
   Alex





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 No coffee for me. Its that ketu-jupiter conjunction is causing my
 synapses to over fire.

Know whatcha mean, it's always *something* ain't it? Uh oh, I just 
noticed my cubicle entrance is facing...SOUTH!!! 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Monthly Yahoo! Group usage fee

2005-08-10 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
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 wrote:
  Message from Yahoo! Groups:
  
  It now costs $100 a month to participate in the FairField Life 
forum.
  
  Please write your name, email address, and user name on the back 
of a 
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 Do you take personal checks?

Sorry, cash only...





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Lung Cancer list

2005-08-10 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/10/05 1:42 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I would like to ask feste37 and anyone else that would like to weigh
 in on this:  
 
 1) Did you and do you now support Bill Clinton?

yes
 
 2) Do you consider yourself a liberal?

yes





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bouncing

2005-08-10 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/10/05 1:38 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 20 percent is an improvement. The first time I took a
 look at those statistics, more than a third of the
 members were bouncing. It's probably less now because
 yahoo gives free email accounts 1 GB of storage. It
 used to be 2 to 3 MB.

There could be people who signed up to receive email, but who don't check
it, so it bounces, yet they read FFL in their browser. Also, I often hear
from lurkers who haven't signed up at all.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 snip Sounds like arguments any number of groups use. These could 
 just as
  well be the words of a creationist, and pseudo neo-advaitist or a
  white-arayan. Such words all play on the insecurites of naive 
people.
  
  Personally, I think Jesus plagerized the Beatles.
 
 Ha-ha! Now I can't wait to call someone a 'pseudo neo-advaitist'!!! 
 Made my day! Thanks!

Well, then, no wonder John went out of his way to say that he thought 
the Beatles were more popular than Jesus.  He must have been really 
pissed off 'cause Jesus must have really ripped him off on royalties...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. Bush..'

2005-08-10 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Get a program called Emule and you can download it. Here's a link: 
Bad Timing (1980 - Theresa Russel Nicola Roeg).avi 




1) I get a this page cannot be displayed message when I click on 
that link; and

2) what exactly is emule?





 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: shempmcgurk 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:12 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jagger Gets Brave/ Slams Pres. 
Bush..'
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   
   Jagger mauls Bush 
   (Tuesday August 09, 2005 10:14 AM) 
   
   The Rolling Stones accuse President George W Bush of being 
   full of sh*t on their new album, it has emerged.
  
  That Mick, always strutting the obvious.  :-)
  
  Really, good for Mick.  Given the respective
  levels of personal power involved, I suspect 
  that a showdown between Mick and Dubya would 
  turn out pretty much like the confrontation 
  between Turner and Chas in Performance.
 
 
 
 
 I wonder how many readers on this forum are aware of your 
reference 
 to Performance which I saw about 5 times when it came out when I 
 was about 15 years old.  A pretty groovy movie, but as a 15 year-
old 
 I went back again and again for the bath tub scenes in which Mick 
 suds up with the incredibly beautiful Anita Pallenberg (who later 
 married and had children with Keith Richards) and another lady.
 
 The co-director of the movie (it was his first) was Nicolas Roeg 
 whom I did not appreciate at the time but who has since directed 
one 
 of my all-time favourite movies: Bad Timing (A sensual 
obsession) 
 starring Art Garfunkel, Theresa Russell (who Roeg married), and 
 Harvey Keitel.  Just an incredible movie that I am constantly 
trying 
 to get a DVD copy of but they haven't released it yet in a format 
 compatible for US DVD's.  I once sent away for a video copy on 
ebay 
 that was of very poor quality because it was a bootleg and I have 
 never bothered to see it in full because it hurts too much seeing 
a 
 version where the quality is so bad.
 
 Roeg made three movies where he made had a Rock star in the 
starring 
 role: David Bowie (Man who fell to Earth), Art Garfunkel (Bad 
 Timing), and Jagger (Performance)...kinda like that nutty but 
fun 
 director Ken Russel who made several movies in the '70s with Rock 
 Stars.
 
 
 
 
  
  There is much about Mr. Jagger to be apprec-
  iated, in the Tomwise sense of the word. He's
  62, he looks better physically than he's looked
  for much of his life, and he's still got the
  energy to rock 'n roll.  There are far less cool
  ways to pass an incarnation.
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kjdruhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear friends,
[...]
 To answer sparaig's question: No, TM doesn't prevent God from 
making 
 a connection. God is making connections all the time, to every 
human 
 being. But it does prevent the individual from receiving the 
 fullness of it. God respects your free will, and He never imposes 
 Himself on you. The choice is yours, communion with your Savior and 
 Lord, or assertion of self.
 
 So much for now.
 
 Sincerely
 
 Kai

Kai, I must say that you seem to have lost your way. You claim to 
have found Christ and yet claim that a simple relaxation technique is 
imcompatible with this.



All of MMY's fancy talk about TM doesn't change its status as a 
simple relaxation technique in the slightest. How is it that you 
cannot see this?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Christianity: PBS feature

2005-08-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I wish the Christians would stop saying that their way is better 
than
 anyone 
 else's. It gets very boring, and it is untrue. All people can really
 say about the 
 spiritual path they adopt is, It works for me, and I wish they
 would leave it at 
 that. 
 

This was a response Kai had to everyone bashing him on this forum for 
his sincere comments. In a sense, it was an *invited* response. 
Interesting that you must attack his beliefs rather than adress what 
he says here since we already knew what his beliefs were when we 
invited him to respond.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kjdruhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dear friends,
  
  I apologize for the long delay in responding to your postings 
about 
  the PBS feature. Where to start? I don't want this to be a 
  theological discussion. What we are talking about is grounded in 
  experience and relationship; it is my experience of relationship 
  with Christ. Still, that experience has been based on my 
  understanding of who Christ is, who I am and what the nature of 
our 
  relationship can be. 
  
  So what about TM would prevent me from accepting Jesus as my one
 and 
  only Savior? Two things: For one the teaching that my spiritual 
  situation is one of ignorance, not of sin. There is no concept of 
a 
  savior or of salvation in the Vedic teachings, because there is 
no 
  concept of sin, nothing one needs to be saved from. There is a
 place 
  for a teacher in this, but no place for a Savior.
  
  Jesus Christ declared Himself to be the Savior and eternal Judge 
of 
  the world. He declared that there was no way to God except Him,
 that 
  He was the eternal I AM, Jehovah. So, He is either God, as He 
said 
  and as many witnesses testified, or He was insane, or He was 
Satan. 
  If what He said was not true, He was either out of His mind (and 
  this is what the religious Jews said), or He knowingly led 
millions 
  and millions of people into spiritual deception, a satanic 
  undertaking. No founder of any religion that I am aware of ever
 made 
  the claims that He made, neither did any perform the miracles 
that 
  He did, neither did any extend healing and forgiveness freely to 
  everyone who asked for it.
  
  What then did Christ save me from, what was my sin? I could come 
up 
  with many instances of sinful behavior in my life, and would 
still 
  miss the point. My sin is my state of separation from God, my 
  spiritual pride and self-centeredness, my attempt to usurp the
 place 
  of God and exalt myself to be the ruler. Does not that sound 
  familiar, to those of us who have been promised to become the 
  masters of natural law? And is not this the core of Satan's lie 
to 
  man, that he can become like God?
  
  So, what evidence is there for one side or the other? I must
 confess 
  that I cannot find much if any empirical evidence for the divine
 and 
  universal nature of unredeemed man, but overwhelming evidence for 
  his evil nature. And I can also report that I am seeing in myself 
  and others the great cleansing and healing power of Christ, as I 
am 
  yielding myself to His Lordship over my live. An intimately
 personal 
  working of Christ in me, an ongoing transformation in my heart 
that 
  only God can do.
  
  This then brings us to the second point of separation: the
 spiritual 
  practice. The Christian spiritual practice is a matter of the 
will: 
  the will to submit to the Lordship of Christ and His working in 
me. 
  This is an ongoing commitment that I need to renew daily in
 freedom, 
  as my relationship with Christ expands and as His nature 
overtakes 
  more and more of my mind, will and emotions. So, no technique is 
  required. Rather, techniques have to be excluded as being a means
 to 
  assert self-rule over the rule of Christ.
  
  The Christian techniques of quiet prayer, that are often 
  mentioned, are not techniques at all, but are modes of communion 
  with Christ. It matters with whom you commune and in what spirit, 
  not what you say and how often.
  
  To answer sparaig's question: No, TM doesn't prevent God from
 making 
  a connection. God is making connections all the time, to every
 human 
  being. But it does prevent the individual from receiving the 
  fullness of it. God respects your free will, and He never imposes 
  Himself on you. The choice is yours, communion with your Savior 
and 
  Lord, or assertion of self.
  
  So much for now.
  
  Sincerely
  
  Kai





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Saddam Hussein...

2005-08-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   In a message dated 8/8/05 5:36:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
   In  brief, the *reason* for killing greatly
  agravates or mitagates the karmayes? 
   What would have been America's karma had it 
  sat back and  knowingly let Hitler exterminate 
  Jews. Would it be worse than actively trying to  
  kill him in order to stop him?
  
  If the Americans did sit back, (which they didn't) finally they 
  intervened, however, had the Americans done nothing, yes I think 
 the 
  complicity would have aggravated their karma and it would have 
been 
  far worse for them, karma wise.
 
 The Americans sat back and so did the British. We 
 had cracked the Germans' code at Bletchley Park with 
 Alan Turing's Enigma machine, and knew about their 
 extermination programme. We could not find a way to 
 act without allowing the Germans to deduce that the 
 code was cracked.
 Us.

First I've heard that Enigma was used to pass gossip about 
extermination programs.




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