[FairfieldLife] 'Bush: The Buck Stops Anywhere, But Here

2005-09-09 Thread Robert Gimbel



George must think, he's a CEO of a large corporation;

And that he's reallynot responsible for anything:
 
Because in a corporation, you can pass the buck, literally,

Andquite easily,

Right?

Robert Gimbel
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[FairfieldLife] Re: In Praise of Price-Gouging

2005-09-09 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Shemp, you'll love this...





Thank you, Judy.

Yes, I did love it, as I love most things that Stossel writes and 
does with his 20/20 pieces, as you know as we've discussed Stossel 
in the past.

Indeed, for the benefit of those who aren't that familiar with 
Stossel, he asked the most important journalistic question in the 
last 50 years:  Who has done more to benefit the world, convicted 
Junk Bond King Michael Milken or Mother Theresa.

You can perhaps guess from the gist of the article below what 
Stossel's answer was...








 
 In praise of price gouging
 John Stossel
 
 September 7, 2005
 
 Politicians and the media are furious about price increases in the 
 wake of Hurricane Katrina. They want gas stations and water 
sellers 
 punished. 
 
 If you want to score points cracking down on mean, greedy 
profiteers, 
 pushing anti-gouging rules is a very good thing.
 
 But if you're one of the people the law protects from price 
 gouging, you won't fare as well.
 
 Consider this scenario: You are thirsty -- worried that your baby 
is 
 going to become dehydrated. You find a store that's open, and the 
 storeowner thinks it's immoral to take advantage of your distress, 
so 
 he won't charge you a dime more than he charged last week. But you 
 can't buy water from him. It's sold out. 
 
 You continue on your quest, and finally find that dreaded monster, 
 the price gouger. He offers a bottle of water that cost $1 last 
week 
 at an outrageous price -- say $20. You pay it to survive the 
 disaster. 
 
 You resent the price gouger. But if he hadn't demanded $20, he'd 
have 
 been out of water. It was the price gouger's exploitation that 
 saved your child.
 
 It saved her because people look out for their own interests. 
Before 
 you got to the water seller, other people did. At $1 a bottle, 
they 
 stocked up. At $20 a bottle, they bought more cautiously. By 
charging 
 $20, the price gouger makes sure his water goes to those who 
really 
 need it.
 
 The people the softheaded politicians think are cruelest are doing 
 the most to help. Assuming the demand for bottled water was going 
to 
 go up, they bought a lot of it, planning to resell it at a steep 
 profit. If they hadn't done that, that water would not have been 
 available for the people who need it the most.
 
 Read the whole column at:
 
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel/printjs20050907.shtml
 
 http://tinyurl.com/9jruh




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Austin's NOLA guests = crime wave

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
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  Where would you put the New Orleans port if not there?
 
 Anywhere except below sea level?
 
 From USA Today:
 
 Experts, including those from the Army Corps of Engineers, have
 predicted for years that a hurricane as large as Katrina could cause
 widespread flooding in New Orleans. 

Yes, but where would it be?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: REM or high energy bars

2005-09-09 Thread shempmcgurk
I don't know what their storage life is ('cause I eat them so fast) 
but I just love Clif Bars:

http://www.clifbar.com/


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wrote:
 Does anyone have any good recommendation for any vegetarian and or 
 vegan READY TO EAT MEALS or high energy high calorie bars that 
have 
 long shelf life? I think bars would be easiest to store and be 
most 
 mobile as would smaller bottles of water. I did an online search 
and 
 found all kinds of kits and also water pouches that were cool etc 
and 
 I do store water and some canned things and can opener in my 
basement 
 and I do not live in an area that would be evacauated due to flood 
and 
 I dont have more a few days worth of bare mimimum. I liked the 
water 
 pouches online as they said they dont break under any pressure or 
leak 
 but most likely the little I have is enough.
 
 However when thinking of REM seems bars would be best. I am sure 
the 
 ones at the heatlh food store have expirations and are any high 
 calorie high energy like 3600 calories? That is what I saw online.
 
 Any idea probably good to have some emergency info things around.





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[FairfieldLife] I met Gurudev yesterday

2005-09-09 Thread shempmcgurk
He was a client...from India...first name: Gurudev.  Sikh from the 
Punjab.  Lives in a $1 million home in North West Phoenix.

I almost greeted him with a Movement-honed Jai Guru Dev.




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[FairfieldLife] FEMA getting the $50 billion

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
From Reuters:

[...]
FEMA will receive nearly all of the funds approved on Thursday -- $50 
billion -- while the Defense Department will get $1.4 billion for its 
rescue efforts. The Army Corps of Engineers will get $400 million to 
dredge navigation channels, repair pump stations and levees in New 
Orleans and repair other projects in Gulf states. 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: REM or high energy bars

2005-09-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does anyone have any good recommendation for any vegetarian and or 
 vegan READY TO EAT MEALS or high energy high calorie bars that have 
 long shelf life? I think bars would be easiest to store and be most 
 mobile as would smaller bottles of water. I did an online search and 
 found all kinds of kits and also water pouches that were cool etc and 
 I do store water and some canned things and can opener in my basement 
 and I do not live in an area that would be evacauated due to flood 
and 
 I dont have more a few days worth of bare mimimum. I liked the water 
 pouches online as they said they dont break under any pressure or 
leak 
 but most likely the little I have is enough.
 
 However when thinking of REM seems bars would be best. I am sure the 
 ones at the heatlh food store have expirations and are any high 
 calorie high energy like 3600 calories? That is what I saw online.
 
 Any idea probably good to have some emergency info things around.

Try sources in Utah.  As I understand it, Mormons
are advised to have a year's worth of food stored
at all times, so there is a big business in such
provisions, and probably a large variety.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on The Dawning of Vedic Culture in India

2005-09-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 9/8/05 9:30 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  So what do enlightened people who are not Hindu cognize texts in?
 
 COBOL or BASIC.

Funny.  :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Saved Through Dzogchen

2005-09-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Great to hear from you and that you and your loved ones are well. 
 Take care, and stay in touch when you can. All the best to you.

Second that.  Take care...

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub_mamo 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  A few months back I sought Dzogchen Protector practices for no 
  specific reason.  Then unexpectedly one of my two tsawai lamas 
  Venerable Lho Ontul Rinpoche came to New Orleans and gave 
 Protector 
  empowerments which were awesome.  
  
  I practiced them and always felt a current of fear which I 
figured 
  was just my attachments and self cherishing coming to the 
surface. 
  
  So it was quite amazing when I went to Vermont to see Kyabje 
 Kunzang 
  Dechen Lingpa for the Green Mountain Dharma Festival and it 
  coincided with Hurricane Katrina.  
  
  My wife and I had placed our beautiful parrots in the best 
 possible 
  place for them for the duration of our trip, at the bird boarding 
  with the owners of the place from where we got them.  A place 
 that's 
  like summer camp for them once or twice a year. 
  
  We have not been able to contact them since the storm, but right 
  before the storm we talked to them and they said they would die 
  before letting any harm come to the birds.  So we feel they are 
  probably as OK as the pet shop owners. 
  
  My wife's parents and brother skipped town the Friday before 
 Katrina 
  and so were safe in Baton Rouge. 
  
  Altogether, my wife and I have personally only had to be 
concerned 
  with whether our house still existed or not. It does, though we 
 have 
  no idea of the extent of the damage. That and whether we still 
 have 
  jobs or cars and all that basic stuff.
  
  Directly from Vermont we flew to my sister's in California and 
  watched New Orleans go down the tubes. 
  
  We will move back ASAP.  There's nowhere else we would really 
want 
  to live. Sorry Tom, we love New Orleans, blacks and all, and 
we're 
  especially sorry for you that you act like a jilted lover who 
then 
  thinks beautiful women should all be burned alive on stakes.  
  
  The irony for me is that you pay blacks to do Vedic ceremonies 
for 
  your soul and you hate blacks. 
  
  On to reality.  We had no success whatsoever with FEMA. They only 
  come into play when your insurance doesn't, and so what do you do 
  when adjusters cannot even view your home for two months.  
  
  Anyway, Erin and I are extremely lucky. I get time to play with 
my 
  nephew who is four, and basically just hang out.
  
  Oddly, Kunzang Dechen Lingpa is teaching at the end of the month 
  here in LA so I get even more of his supreme treasure teachings. 
I 
  am blessed, and protected through Dzogchen.
  
  Others have not been so lucky. 
  
  I'll up a photo of a friends house for Tom to laugh at. Imagine 
  yourself there.Remember that the land of the KKK also bit the 
dust 
  along with their chosen food for lynching. (To imagine a 60 year 
 old 
  nerd proclaiming to be Aryan Brother. They wouldn't have you Tom, 
  you old nut!)
  
  Erin and I aren't thrilled to be refugees.  But we're thrilled to 
 be 
  alive and basically sound, and with our families intact.  I can 
 only 
  imagine the true heart rending hell that thousands upon thousands 
  endured. 
  
  What do we feel losing so much of New Orleans like this? We feel 
  lucky that we weren't there. We foresaw the Superdome turning 
into 
  hell from day one. We feel sorry for ignorance, and poor planing, 
  and superficial Federal response, and basic lack of sense of 
 urgency 
  of disaster teams. We don't point fingures but if you were the 
CEO 
  in charge of Ford and their recall of 3.8 million autos through 
  deficient cruise control switches then I would suspect that your 
  shareholders would question your choices.  I need not say more.
  
  What the hell was Bush smiling about when he was in Baton Rouge? 
I 
  don't get it. FEMA's director's online bio has false info in it. 
  He's a liar. Of course, who cares right? Just one more 
 insubstancial 
  factoid in a huge disaster of epic proportions. 
  
  For sheer numbers the exodus of Jews from Egypt probably amounted 
 to 
  less bodies. Personally the glib politicising on TV and here at 
 this 
  group shows a superficial connection with life. If any response 
  comes to mind when viewing the tragedy besides awe then one is 
 just 
  afriad to feel. 
  
  Frankly, I'm not really well. I haven't slept in my own bed for 
  going on a month and see no end in sight. I feel like Odesseus 
  coming back from Troy. All the music on the radio is about not 
 being 
  able to find the way home. I feel sorry for the blacks and the 
 poor, 
  and I feel most sorry for those who use this to their political 
  advantage.  
  
  Because this isn't the last disaster to confront the US by any 
  means. It's just the first. If people aren't studying this and 
  

[FairfieldLife] what a snippy group

2005-09-09 Thread anonymousff
I am completely amazed at this group. Snipping at each other has
become the norm. 




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[FairfieldLife] 'We've Been Disgraced!'

2005-09-09 Thread Robert Gimbel




Thought he and his wife, try so hard to appear graceful; 
By wearing the proper clothes washed and well mated. 
And getting the proper excersize, keeping the heart rate down. 
All of this for the good of the public image. 
And image is what we want, we really do, want a; 
Good looking Pres. and First Lady right? 
But anyhow; 
Look what's happened, in the meantime; 
To how the United States has become: 
At home and abroad, people wonder; 
What happened to the "Good 'OLE U.S. of A. 
What happened is this:
We’ve lost our "Grace".
And…
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[FairfieldLife] Re: what a snippy group

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am completely amazed at this group. Snipping at each other has
 become the norm.

Nonsense! ONly someone who is clueless would think that.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting the $50 billion

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From Reuters:
 
 [...]
 FEMA will receive nearly all of the funds approved on Thursday -- 
$50 
 billion -- while the Defense Department will get $1.4 billion for 
its 
 rescue efforts. The Army Corps of Engineers will get $400 million 
to 
 dredge navigation channels, repair pump stations and levees in New 
 Orleans and repair other projects in Gulf states.

It gets ever more-insane. Hey Bush defenders, what's the rationale 
for THIS one?

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?
type=globalNewsstoryID=2005-09-08T233912Z_01_SPI885129_RTRUKOC_0_US-
BUSH-WAGES.xmlarchived=False


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush issued an executive 
order on
Thursday allowing federal contractors rebuilding in the aftermath of
Hurricane Katrina to pay below the prevailing wage.

In a notice to Congress, Bush said the hurricane had caused a 
national
emergency that permits him to take such action under the 1931 Davis-
Bacon
Act in ravaged areas of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi.

Bush's action came as the federal government moved to provide 
billions of
dollars in aid, and drew rebukes from two of organized labor's biggest
friends in Congress, Rep. George Miller of California and Sen. Edward
Kennedy of Massachusetts, both Democrats.

The administration is using the devastation of Hurricane Katrina to 
cut the
wages of people desperately trying to rebuild their lives and their
communities, Miller said.

President Bush should immediately realize the colossal mistake he 
has made
in signing this order and rescind it and ensure that America puts its 
people
back to work in the wake of Katrina at wages that will get them and 
their
families back on their feet, Miller said.

I regret the president's decision, said Kennedy.

One of the things the American people are very concerned about is 
shabby
work and that certainly is true about the families whose houses are 
going to
be rebuilt and buildings that are going to be restored, Kennedy said.

The Davis-Bacon law requires federal contractors to pay workers at 
least the
prevailing wages in the area where the work is conducted. It applies 
to
federally funded construction projects such as highways and bridges.

Bush's executive order suspends the requirements of the Davis-Bacon 
law for
designated areas hit by the storm.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: I met Gurudev yesterday

2005-09-09 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 He was a client...from India...first name: Gurudev.  Sikh from the 
 Punjab.  Lives in a $1 million home in North West Phoenix.
 
 I almost greeted him with a Movement-honed Jai Guru Dev.

Naah-nakh?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: what a snippy group

2005-09-09 Thread Peter


--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
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  I am completely amazed at this group. Snipping at
 each other has
  become the norm.
 
 Nonsense! ONly someone who is clueless would think
 that.

Nonsense? It is you who WHO DOESNT HAVE A CLUE!! Look
at my post 657485685746534 in response to your post
5743598379 which was in response to post 875983598.



 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: what a snippy group

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I am completely amazed at this group. Snipping at
  each other has
   become the norm.
  
  Nonsense! ONly someone who is clueless would think
  that.
 
 Nonsense? It is you who WHO DOESNT HAVE A CLUE!! Look
 at my post 657485685746534 in response to your post
 5743598379 which was in response to post 875983598.

You idiot.That was post 5743598397. You reversed the last two digits. 
What are you, dyslexic? 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: what a snippy group

2005-09-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I am completely amazed at this group. Snipping at
   each other has become the norm.
  
  Nonsense! ONly someone who is clueless would think
  that.
 
 Nonsense? It is you who WHO DOESNT HAVE A CLUE!! Look
 at my post 657485685746534 in response to your post
 5743598379 which was in response to post 875983598.

HA!  It is you who is without clue!  You left off 
the ' in doesn't.  How can anyone put any faith 
in what someone says who can't even spell?  You are
obviously a CIA stooge planted here to foment dissat-
isfaction in the TM ranks...we can tell because of
your fondness for capital letters...probably a habit
developed in a bureaucracy that thinks in acronyms.

As I pointed out in my post 3.14159265358979323846,
and in several other posts in which I thoroughly
demolished your arguments and pointed out the flaws
in your logic and exposed your phoniness, your incon-
sistency and your lies (not to mention your tiny dick), 
you are not a relable source of information.  Go back 
to Langley, you rakshasa poo-poo head!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: what a snippy group

2005-09-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am completely amazed at this group. Snipping at
each other has become the norm.
   
   Nonsense! ONly someone who is clueless would think
   that.
  
  Nonsense? It is you who WHO DOESNT HAVE A CLUE!! Look
  at my post 657485685746534 in response to your post
  5743598379 which was in response to post 875983598.
 
 You idiot.That was post 5743598397. You reversed the last two digits. 
 What are you, dyslexic?

Who are you calling dyslexic, you idiot?!  You'd
better run before I call down the wrath of Dog 
on you!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting $50 billion - Now FEMA Head Lies-Experience

2005-09-09 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  FEMA will receive nearly all of the funds approved on Thursday -- 
 $50 
  billion -- while the Defense Department will get $1.4 billion for 
 its 
  rescue efforts. The Army Corps of Engineers will get $400 million 
 to 
  dredge navigation channels, repair pump stations and levees in New 
  Orleans and repair other projects in Gulf states.

Lots coming out on Brown, the head of FEMA, who will be in charge of
that $50 billion.  As most know, he's been derided as a horse lawyer
with no emergency management experience (he was a lawyer for the
Arabian Horse Association from which he was ousted).  More on his
official resume posted at FindLaw:

- his law school is not accredited and is regarded as a joke
- he states he was on the Dean's List at his college in OK, but the
college says NO he never was
- he states he was given the award outstanding political science
professor at his college, but the college says he was never a
professor at all, much less an outstanding one
-  he states he was Director of a christian nursing home, but the
nursing home has never heard of him
- he was let go from his first law job, according to his boss there
was a feeling that he was not serious and somewhat shallow.

and there's more at The New Republic and Time 
http://tnr.com/user/nregi.mhtml?i=20050919s=campos091905
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1103003,00.html

Even the New Republic is after him!!






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[FairfieldLife] God Bless Canada

2005-09-09 Thread markmeredith2002
Canadians Arrived In New Orleans Five Days Before The U.S. Military

http://www.halifaxlive.com/artman/publish/canadians_080905_660.shtml




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[FairfieldLife] Another poem (was Re: what a snippy group)

2005-09-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 you are not a relable source of information.  Go back 
 to Langley, you rakshasa poo-poo head!

http://tinyurl.com/d4hoc

Child Development, by Billy Collins

As sure as prehistoric fish grew legs
and sauntered off the beaches into forests
working up some irregular verbs for their
first conversation, so three-year-old children
enter the phase of name-calling.

Every day a new one arrives and is added
to the repertoire. You Dumb Goopyhead,
You Big Sewerface, You Poop-on-the-Floor
(a kind of Navaho ring to that one)
they yell from knee level, their little mugs
flushed with challenge.
Nothing Samuel Johnson would bother tossing out
in a pub, but then the toddlers are not trying
to devastate some fatuous Enlightenment hack.

They are just tormenting their fellow squirts
or going after the attention of the giants
way up there with their cocktails and bad breath
talking baritone nonsense to other giants,
waiting to call them names after thanking
them for the lovely party and hearing the door close.

The mature save their hothead invective
for things: an errant hammer, tire chains,
or receding trains missed by seconds,
though they know in their adult hearts,
even as they threaten to banish Timmy to bed
for his appalling behavior,
that their bosses are Big Fatty Stupids,
their wives are Dopey Dopeheads
and that they themselves are Mr. Sillypants.

www.bigsnap.com





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[FairfieldLife] Another poem (was Re: what a snippy group)

2005-09-09 Thread TurquoiseB
Strangely, I probably had a faint memory of this poem 
somewhere in the back of my mind when I wrote the poo-
poo head line.  Billy, before he was Poet Laureate, 
went to the same college I did.  We used to get stoned 
together.  He was funny then, and he's funny now.  :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
  you are not a relable source of information.  Go back 
  to Langley, you rakshasa poo-poo head!
 
 http://tinyurl.com/d4hoc
 
 Child Development, by Billy Collins
 
 As sure as prehistoric fish grew legs
 and sauntered off the beaches into forests
 working up some irregular verbs for their
 first conversation, so three-year-old children
 enter the phase of name-calling.
 
 Every day a new one arrives and is added
 to the repertoire. You Dumb Goopyhead,
 You Big Sewerface, You Poop-on-the-Floor
 (a kind of Navaho ring to that one)
 they yell from knee level, their little mugs
 flushed with challenge.
 Nothing Samuel Johnson would bother tossing out
 in a pub, but then the toddlers are not trying
 to devastate some fatuous Enlightenment hack.
 
 They are just tormenting their fellow squirts
 or going after the attention of the giants
 way up there with their cocktails and bad breath
 talking baritone nonsense to other giants,
 waiting to call them names after thanking
 them for the lovely party and hearing the door close.
 
 The mature save their hothead invective
 for things: an errant hammer, tire chains,
 or receding trains missed by seconds,
 though they know in their adult hearts,
 even as they threaten to banish Timmy to bed
 for his appalling behavior,
 that their bosses are Big Fatty Stupids,
 their wives are Dopey Dopeheads
 and that they themselves are Mr. Sillypants.
 
 www.bigsnap.com




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[FairfieldLife] Another poem (was Re: what a snippy group)

2005-09-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
Perfect!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Strangely, I probably had a faint memory of this poem 
 somewhere in the back of my mind when I wrote the poo-
 poo head line.  Billy, before he was Poet Laureate, 
 went to the same college I did.  We used to get stoned 
 together.  He was funny then, and he's funny now.  :-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   
   you are not a relable source of information.  Go back 
   to Langley, you rakshasa poo-poo head!
  
  http://tinyurl.com/d4hoc
  
  Child Development, by Billy Collins
  
  As sure as prehistoric fish grew legs
  and sauntered off the beaches into forests
  working up some irregular verbs for their
  first conversation, so three-year-old children
  enter the phase of name-calling.
  
  Every day a new one arrives and is added
  to the repertoire. You Dumb Goopyhead,
  You Big Sewerface, You Poop-on-the-Floor
  (a kind of Navaho ring to that one)
  they yell from knee level, their little mugs
  flushed with challenge.
  Nothing Samuel Johnson would bother tossing out
  in a pub, but then the toddlers are not trying
  to devastate some fatuous Enlightenment hack.
  
  They are just tormenting their fellow squirts
  or going after the attention of the giants
  way up there with their cocktails and bad breath
  talking baritone nonsense to other giants,
  waiting to call them names after thanking
  them for the lovely party and hearing the door close.
  
  The mature save their hothead invective
  for things: an errant hammer, tire chains,
  or receding trains missed by seconds,
  though they know in their adult hearts,
  even as they threaten to banish Timmy to bed
  for his appalling behavior,
  that their bosses are Big Fatty Stupids,
  their wives are Dopey Dopeheads
  and that they themselves are Mr. Sillypants.
  
  www.bigsnap.com




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[FairfieldLife] Practical uses of flashing - for Tom Pall

2005-09-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
from the New York Times:

Some holdouts seem intent on keeping alive the 
distinct and wild spirit of this city. In the French 
Quarter, Addie Hall and Zackery Bowen found a 
unusual way to make sure that police officers 
regularly patrolled their house. Ms. Hall, 28, a 
bartender, flashed her breasts at the police vehicles 
that passed by, ensuring a regular flow of traffic.

http://tinyurl.com/dshvd




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Practical uses of flashing - for Tom Pall

2005-09-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 from the New York Times:
 
 Some holdouts seem intent on keeping alive the 
 distinct and wild spirit of this city. In the French 
 Quarter, Addie Hall and Zackery Bowen found a 
 unusual way to make sure that police officers 
 regularly patrolled their house. Ms. Hall, 28, a 
 bartender, flashed her breasts at the police vehicles 
 that passed by, ensuring a regular flow of traffic.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/dshvd

Since many police departments, including the one
from New Orleans, have a specially-trained unit
called the Tactical Assault Team who are on duty 
in emergency situations such as this one, I think 
her strategy could be termed tit for TAT.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting the $50 billion

2005-09-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip 
 It gets ever more-insane. Hey Bush defenders, what's the rationale 
 for THIS one?
 
 http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?
 type=globalNewsstoryID=2005-09-
08T233912Z_01_SPI885129_RTRUKOC_0_US-
 BUSH-WAGES.xmlarchived=False
 
 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush issued an executive 
 order on Thursday allowing federal contractors rebuilding in the 
 aftermath of Hurricane Katrina to pay below the prevailing wage.

Guess he didn't read the last part of Stossel's piece
about the heroic price-gougers:

If this were a totalitarian country, the government might just order 
a bunch of tradesmen to go to New Orleans. But in a free society, 
those tradesmen must be persuaded to leave their homes and families, 
leave their employers and customers, and drive from say, Wisconsin, 
to take work in New Orleans. If they can't make more money in 
Louisiana than Wisconsin, why would they make the trip?

Some may be motivated by a desire to be heroic, but we can't expect 
enough heroes to fill the need, week after week; most will travel 
there for the same reason most Americans go to work: to make money. 
Any tradesman who treks to a disaster area must get higher pay than 
he would get in his hometown, or he won't do the trek. Limit him to 
what his New Orleans colleagues charged before the storm, and even a 
would-be hero may say, the heck with it.

If he charges enough to justify his venture, he's likely to be 
condemned morally or legally by the very people he's trying to help. 
But they just don't understand basic economics. Force prices down, 
and you keep suppliers out. Let the market work, suppliers come -- 
and competition brings prices as low as the challenges of the 
disaster allow. Goods that were in short supply become available, 
even to the poor.






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[FairfieldLife] Front page of all major newspapers in the world in real time

2005-09-09 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Front page of all major newspapers in the world in real time





Very cool:

http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/flash/ 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bush: The Buck Stops Anywhere, But Here

2005-09-09 Thread Cliff
You've clearly never run even a small corporation, Robert, much
less a large one.  Otherwise you'd realize what a crushing
sense of responsibility that is for any CEO who takes their
job seriously.

Learn before commenting.  Otherwise you sound pretty dumb...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 George must think, he's a CEO of a large corporation;
  
 And that he's really not responsible for anything:
   
 Because in a corporation, you can pass the buck, literally,
  
 And quite easily,
  
 Right?
  
 Robert Gimbel
 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: what a snippy group

2005-09-09 Thread Cliff
LOL!!  Great literature in the making...   :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am completely amazed at this group. Snipping at
each other has become the norm.
   
   Nonsense! ONly someone who is clueless would think
   that.
  
  Nonsense? It is you who WHO DOESNT HAVE A CLUE!! Look
  at my post 657485685746534 in response to your post
  5743598379 which was in response to post 875983598.
 
 HA!  It is you who is without clue!  You left off 
 the ' in doesn't.  How can anyone put any faith 
 in what someone says who can't even spell?  You are
 obviously a CIA stooge planted here to foment dissat-
 isfaction in the TM ranks...we can tell because of
 your fondness for capital letters...probably a habit
 developed in a bureaucracy that thinks in acronyms.
 
 As I pointed out in my post 3.14159265358979323846,
 and in several other posts in which I thoroughly
 demolished your arguments and pointed out the flaws
 in your logic and exposed your phoniness, your incon-
 sistency and your lies (not to mention your tiny dick), 
 you are not a relable source of information.  Go back 
 to Langley, you rakshasa poo-poo head!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Practical uses of flashing - for Tom Pall

2005-09-09 Thread Cliff
Called putting your assets to good use...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 from the New York Times:
 
 Some holdouts seem intent on keeping alive the 
 distinct and wild spirit of this city. In the French 
 Quarter, Addie Hall and Zackery Bowen found a 
 unusual way to make sure that police officers 
 regularly patrolled their house. Ms. Hall, 28, a 
 bartender, flashed her breasts at the police vehicles 
 that passed by, ensuring a regular flow of traffic.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/dshvd





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting the $50 billion

2005-09-09 Thread Cliff
It allows people to be employed who won't have ANY job if high minimum-
wage guidelines are enforced.  This will be particularly helpful in getting
teenagers or early-20s people who have little skills back to at least some
useful work.

I think it's a great move, and I believe I understand the economics behind
it.  Is it possible that you oppose it simply because Bush proposed it?  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 snip 
  It gets ever more-insane. Hey Bush defenders, what's the rationale 
  for THIS one?
  
  http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?
  type=globalNewsstoryID=2005-09-
 08T233912Z_01_SPI885129_RTRUKOC_0_US-
  BUSH-WAGES.xmlarchived=False
  
  WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush issued an executive 
  order on Thursday allowing federal contractors rebuilding in the 
  aftermath of Hurricane Katrina to pay below the prevailing wage.
 
 Guess he didn't read the last part of Stossel's piece
 about the heroic price-gougers:
 
 If this were a totalitarian country, the government might just order 
 a bunch of tradesmen to go to New Orleans. But in a free society, 
 those tradesmen must be persuaded to leave their homes and families, 
 leave their employers and customers, and drive from say, Wisconsin, 
 to take work in New Orleans. If they can't make more money in 
 Louisiana than Wisconsin, why would they make the trip?
 
 Some may be motivated by a desire to be heroic, but we can't expect 
 enough heroes to fill the need, week after week; most will travel 
 there for the same reason most Americans go to work: to make money. 
 Any tradesman who treks to a disaster area must get higher pay than 
 he would get in his hometown, or he won't do the trek. Limit him to 
 what his New Orleans colleagues charged before the storm, and even a 
 would-be hero may say, the heck with it.
 
 If he charges enough to justify his venture, he's likely to be 
 condemned morally or legally by the very people he's trying to help. 
 But they just don't understand basic economics. Force prices down, 
 and you keep suppliers out. Let the market work, suppliers come -- 
 and competition brings prices as low as the challenges of the 
 disaster allow. Goods that were in short supply become available, 
 even to the poor.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting the $50 billion

2005-09-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 It allows people to be employed who won't have ANY job if high
 minimum-wage guidelines are enforced.  This will be particularly 
 helpful in getting teenagers or early-20s people who have little 
 skills back to at least some useful work.
 
 I think it's a great move, and I believe I understand the economics 
 behind it.  Is it possible that you oppose it simply because Bush 
 proposed it?

Are you asking me, or Sparaig?

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  snip 
   It gets ever more-insane. Hey Bush defenders, what's the
   rationale for THIS one?
   
   http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?
   type=globalNewsstoryID=2005-09-
  08T233912Z_01_SPI885129_RTRUKOC_0_US-
   BUSH-WAGES.xmlarchived=False
   
   WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush issued an 
executive 
   order on Thursday allowing federal contractors rebuilding in 
the 
   aftermath of Hurricane Katrina to pay below the prevailing wage.
  
  Guess he didn't read the last part of Stossel's piece
  about the heroic price-gougers:
  
  If this were a totalitarian country, the government might just 
order 
  a bunch of tradesmen to go to New Orleans. But in a free society, 
  those tradesmen must be persuaded to leave their homes and 
families, 
  leave their employers and customers, and drive from say, 
Wisconsin, 
  to take work in New Orleans. If they can't make more money in 
  Louisiana than Wisconsin, why would they make the trip?
  
  Some may be motivated by a desire to be heroic, but we can't 
expect 
  enough heroes to fill the need, week after week; most will travel 
  there for the same reason most Americans go to work: to make 
money. 
  Any tradesman who treks to a disaster area must get higher pay 
than 
  he would get in his hometown, or he won't do the trek. Limit him 
to 
  what his New Orleans colleagues charged before the storm, and 
even a 
  would-be hero may say, the heck with it.
  
  If he charges enough to justify his venture, he's likely to be 
  condemned morally or legally by the very people he's trying to 
help. 
  But they just don't understand basic economics. Force prices 
down, 
  and you keep suppliers out. Let the market work, suppliers come --
 
  and competition brings prices as low as the challenges of the 
  disaster allow. Goods that were in short supply become available, 
  even to the poor.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: I met Gurudev yesterday

2005-09-09 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  He was a client...from India...first name: Gurudev.  Sikh from the 
  Punjab.  Lives in a $1 million home in North West Phoenix.
  
  I almost greeted him with a Movement-honed Jai Guru Dev.
 
 Naah-nakh?

No, no pictures of Guru Nanak on the walls that I saw...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting $50 billion - Now FEMA Head Lies-Experience

2005-09-09 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
   FEMA will receive nearly all of the funds approved on 
Thursday -- 
  $50 
   billion -- while the Defense Department will get $1.4 billion 
for 
  its 
   rescue efforts. The Army Corps of Engineers will get $400 
million 
  to 
   dredge navigation channels, repair pump stations and levees in 
New 
   Orleans and repair other projects in Gulf states.
 
 Lots coming out on Brown, the head of FEMA, who will be in charge 
of
 that $50 billion.  As most know, he's been derided as a horse 
lawyer
 with no emergency management experience (he was a lawyer for the
 Arabian Horse Association from which he was ousted).  More on his
 official resume posted at FindLaw:
 
 - his law school is not accredited and is regarded as a joke
 - he states he was on the Dean's List at his college in OK, but the
 college says NO he never was
 - he states he was given the award outstanding political science
 professor at his college, but the college says he was never a
 professor at all, much less an outstanding one
 -  he states he was Director of a christian nursing home, but the
 nursing home has never heard of him
 - he was let go from his first law job,



Well, at least that indicates he passed the bar, no?  Assuming you 
can't get a law job without being a lawyer.  So how bad could it 
be getting your law degree at an unaccredited school?



 according to his boss there
 was a feeling that he was not serious and somewhat shallow.
 
 and there's more at The New Republic and Time 
 http://tnr.com/user/nregi.mhtml?i=20050919s=campos091905
 http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1103003,00.html
 
 Even the New Republic is after him!!




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Saved Through Dzogchen

2005-09-09 Thread Vaj
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Saved Through Dzogchen





Saw this and thought of dear Lhundrub. The Will to Love is the Law to Live - Best Wishes  V.

The Attitude to Take for Overcoming Natural Disasters
His Holiness Penor Rinpoche

7/1/2132--September 4, 2005 

The present world is modernized and it is very easy for countries to communicate with each other. This has good -- and bad -- results. Everyone tells their own history and tries to explain events their way, according to internal political or religious pressures. At the same time, many religions exist in this world, as well as many qualified teachers. Anyone who is truly following their religion is thinking about how to solve the problems of this world. Meanwhile, most of the previously realized teachers have already shown us how to solve these problems for all of the beings in the universe.

But the times are now degenerating. Some of those following these religions and some who follow certain politics have gotten used to thinking and acting in a negative way. So it will not make a difference whether an individual is a good person or a bad person; we will be caused to suffer from difficulties because of our collective negative thoughts and actions. Of all these negative thoughts and actions, selfishness will create more difficulty than anything else.

That is why all the different kinds of religions are based on the benefit of all sentient beings and not focused on selfishness -- no matter what religion. Religions are for the benefit of peace and compassion for sentient beings, especially in the case of Buddhism. For us, we take vows to be helpful for all beings, without exception. We pray that we will not even use the space of one hair in a selfish way.

We already see that bad karma has the result of causing suffering. So then, of course, if we behave in a positive way, there will be benefit and fruition. If everyone -- no matter Buddhist or not, whether black or white -- prays and wishes for the same things, for happiness and peace on earth, then definitely things can be solved in a positive way.

Floods are the result of an imbalanced water element. There are also imbalances in the earth [such as earthquakes], fire [volcanoes] and air [tornados, typhoons and hurricanes]. If we are all living in harmony in the world, then naturally the elements will be balanced. Once harmonious, no imbalances will arise. [Tr. note: Rinpoche is referring to the example of sentient beings held like the objects in the pot of the elements. Once the inside is in balance, the pot will also be in balance].

When problems arise, like the Tsunami in Asia, or the flood in the United States, I personally feel very sad. It is physically hard to do anything to help.

We Tibetans also have recently faced so many problems. For example, for us, Guru Rinpoche and so many high lamas predicted we would encounter the problems we have met. They told us the method and how to solve the problems. But, because of degenerating times, collectively many of us had difficulty believing these predictions, which are hundreds, and sometimes thousands of years old. Because we collectively had difficulty believing in the truth, this came to be a difficult time for the Tibetans. Then, when the result came about, many people said, Oh, we really made a big mistake. And a few even said, Of course this was going to happen because we did not believe this prediction and follow the instructions.

So for us Tibetans, when we suffered, we suffered almost like a physical hell. Even still, we never gave up belief in the Three Jewels [Buddha, Dharma and Sangha].

All of these problems are the gathering of karma. [They are the consequences of our previous actions]. There is not anything to rejoice in or to regret because these are not one or two people's results, but all people's results. [Known as gathering or collective karma; Tib: Chin Thun]. Because of our past lifetimes in which we accumulated negative karma collectively, we must all collectively suffer the results. These results cannot be suffered by just one or two people.

We know that in the future we don't want this kind of suffering. So it doesn't matter what religion or color, we can build the positive collective karma together by loving each other and having compassion towards all sentient beings. This will make things better in the future so the positive result will come from the positive attitude.


COLOPHON

May the Guru remain in the world for a long time to come, may the light of His teachings pervade the sky of mind and bring happiness to all. We requested this teaching on the attitude to take in the cases of natural disasters from the compassionate one, Kyabje Drubwang Pema Norbu Rinpoche, who responded to our request with enthusiasm. The teaching was translated by Lama Lobsang Chophel and took place on September 4, 2005. May these efforts serve to awaken the absolute reality of Guru Padmasambhava in the hearts of all beings. 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: what a snippy group

2005-09-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
anonymousff wrote:
 I am completely amazed at this group. Snipping at each other has
 become the norm.
 
Well, I guess now you're part of the norm. ROTFL!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'We've Been Disgraced!'

2005-09-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Thought he and his wife, try so hard to appear graceful; 
 
 By wearing the proper clothes washed and well mated. 
 
 And getting the proper excersize, keeping the heart rate down. 
 
 All of this for the good of the public image. 
 
 And image is what we want, we really do, want a; 
 
 Good looking Pres. and First Lady right? 
 
 But anyhow; 
 
 Look what's happened, in the meantime; 
 
 To how the United States has become: 
 
 At home and abroad, people wonder; 
 
 What happened to the Good 'OLE U.S. of A. 
 
 What happened is this:
 
 We've lost our Grace.
 
 And…
 
 We've been disgraced!
 
If you don't like the way things are in this country, why don't you 
leave and go to a better place? Or, at least vote.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting $50 billion - Now FEMA Head Lies-Experience

2005-09-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
markmeredith wrote: 
 Even the New Republic is after him!!

So you want to play the blame game? How long has Brown been the 
Director of FEMA?

Another question: Why wasn't New Orleans evacuated BEFORE the storm? 
Why is this question so difficult for you to answer, Mark?

From the New York Times:

Apparently Mike Brown was General counsel, then deputy director and 
finally, since 2003, director of FEMA.

He has overseen the response to 164 presidentially declared 
disasters, he said, including California wildfires, a rash of 
tornadoes in the Midwest several years ago and the four Florida 
hurricanes last year.

'Michael DeWayne Brown: Facing Blame in a Disaster'
By Scott Shane
The New York Times, September 7, 2005
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/07/national/nationalspecial/07brown.ht
ml





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[FairfieldLife] Re: what a snippy group

2005-09-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote:
 ...not to mention your tiny dick), 

Very impressive - but you would know this how, Uncle Tantra? And what 
exactly, is your head doing up his pants anyway?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Practical uses of flashing - for Tom Pall

2005-09-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
Patrick Gillam wrote:
 Ms. Hall, 28, a bartender, flashed her breasts at the police
 vehicles that passed by, ensuring a regular flow of traffic.
 
From This is London:

He told the Liverpool Daily Post: I couldn't describe how bad the 
authorities were. Just little things like taking photographs of us,
as we are standing on the roof waving for help, for their own little 
snapshot albums.

At one point, there were a load of girls on the roof of the hotel 
saying 'Can you help us?' and the policemen said 'Show us what 
you've got' and made signs for them to lift their T-shirts. When the 
girls refused, they said 'Fine' and motored off down the road in 
their boat.

'Penn accuses Bush amid rescue chaos'
This is LONDON
http://tinyurl.com/95q7b





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[FairfieldLife] New Orleans Death Toll may be much less...

2005-09-09 Thread Cliff
New Orleans death toll may not be catastrophic
Sep 09 12:31 PM US/Eastern
 

NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - The number of dead in New Orleans may not be as high as 
first 
feared, the top Homeland Security official there said on Friday.

There's some encouragement in the initial sweeps. Some of the catastrophic 
deaths some 
people have predicted may not have occurred, Col. Terry Ebbert, director of 
Homeland 
Security for the city of New Orleans said at a news conference.

The numbers so far are relatively minor as compared with the dire predictions 
of 10,000.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting the $50 billion

2005-09-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
jstein wrote:
 Guess he didn't read the last part of Stossel's piece
 about the heroic price-gougers:
 
So now you want to play the Stossel card?

So, why didn't the mayor and the governor evacuate the city BEFORE 
the storm hit? They had an evacuation plan - why didn't they follow 
it? Why is this question so difficult for you to answer?

From the Los Angeles Times:

The floodwaters reached the bottom shelf, seeping up through the 
dense pages. Just a week before the storm, the state had sought a 
contract to scan and digitize 12 million pages.

Read more:

'Lives and History Adrift on a Soggy Paper Trail' 
By Alan Zarembo and Thomas H. Maugh II 
The Los Angeles Times, September 9, 2005 
http://tinyurl.com/artco






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Saved Through Dzogchen

2005-09-09 Thread Cliff
They did get hit by a quake, Richard.  Sometime in the mid-1970's.  Killed
somewhere between 250,000 and 750,000 people, but was well covered up
by the Communist government.

Shit happens.  Karma happens.  Ends up pretty much the same.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Vaj wrote:
  All of these problems are the gathering of karma.
 
 So, Vaj, do you agree with the Rinpoche that all the problems in the 
 Katrina castrophe are the fault of the people and their karma? If the 
 theory of karma is real, then why didn't the Chinese get hit by an 
 earthquake, since they decimated the Tibetans?
 
 Do you guys actually read this stuff BEFORE you post it?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: what a snippy group

2005-09-09 Thread anonymousff
Actually, it's good internet etiquette to do a little snipping, so 
that others don't have to reread the same posts over and over again 
to get to your point. For example, I've done a little snipping 
below. I'm sure that you will see that it makes the whole thing much 
more readable.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] w
  --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
[SNIP]
Snipping at each other has become the norm.
   
   Nonsense! ONly someone who is clueless would think
[SNIP]
  
  Nonsense? It is you who WHO DOESNT HAVE A CLUE!!
[SNIP]
 
 HA!  It is you who is without clue!
[SNIP]
 As I pointed out in my post 3.1415[SNIP]846,
 and in several other posts in which I thoroughly
 demolished your arguments and pointed out the flaws
[SNIP]
 to Langley
[SNIP TO END]
***
BTW, after you pointed out the flaws to Langley, what did she [;-] 
do about it? [SNIP] [SNIP] [SNIP] [SNIP]




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saved Through Dzogchen

2005-09-09 Thread Vaj



On 9/9/05 12:49 PM, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Vaj wrote:
 All of these problems are the gathering of karma.
 
 So, Vaj, do you agree with the Rinpoche that all the problems in the
 Katrina castrophe are the fault of the people and their karma?

I don't recall him saying ALL the problems were caused by karma, I think
you are generalizing. I like the naiveté of imbalanced water element as
the cause of floods--hell even a hydrologist or meteorologist might agree
with that! 

If the 
 theory of karma is real, then why didn't the Chinese get hit by an
 earthquake, since they decimated the Tibetans?
 

Because karma is not a linear or simple phenomenon. Perhaps I should post my
obligatory karma FAQ again...even a seed needs certain conditions if it is
to spring into manifestation as a plant...karma is more like that. Was this
crop of people sharing some common karmic causes? Perhaps.

 Do you guys actually read this stuff BEFORE you post it?

I'm sorry, that's extra.

The intent was to send something to Lhundrub which happened to be by someone
he cared dearly about, one of his teachers. If he cracks even a dim smile,
my intent was served.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?

2005-09-09 Thread hanumanhoffman9
Comments interspersed


  Are you suggesting that one should believe that worship of 
  Sri Vidya didn't start until this point in time and that it 
  started as a Buddhist practice?
 
Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
It's not a belief, it's history - the Sri Vidya cult arose at about
 the same time as the Bengali Shajiyas and the eighty-four mahasiddhas.
 The Nath cult is the Western Transmission of the Tantric Buddhists -
 first to Kashmere, then to Tibet, and later to South India.

So you are saying that the practice of this knowledge of Sri Vidya didn't exist 
prior?

 
  Lord Hayagriva at the command of Lalita Devi gave this knowledge
  of Sri Vidya to Rishi Agastya and was made responsible for
  revealing TRUE WORSHIP of Mother through it.
 
 Rishi Agastya taught the Sri Vidya to Guadapada, who passed it on to
 Govinda, who taught it to Shankara who installed the Sri Chakra and
 then composed the Saundaryalari for our understanding. There is no
 higher knowledge that Sri Vidya, the Auspicious Wisdom.

No higher knowledge, indeed. Sri Mata Rajarajeshwari rules it.

http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/tours/2003/vijayawada_devi_temple/feb6/feb6.html

 
  According to Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji of Mysore, 
  India Liberation from the cycle of birth and death does not result 
  through Tantra practices.
 
 All the Shankaracharyas practice tantric techniques. We do not know
 exactly why or when the Shankarites adopted Shaktism, we only know
 that at some point in time, they did so. 

There is someone who knows.

The tantras are for everyone they are the only means of liberation in this 
age. 

Strong statement. Believe what you will. 
The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru.

Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji of Mysore, India is revered throughout 
India and by  
Shankaracharyas as well as the foremost exponent of Sri Vidya and Worship of 
Mother.

From His mouth these ears heard the following words,Practice of tantra keeps 
one tied to 
the earth, Swamiji's way is Vedic way not tantric.

http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/festivals/navaratri2003/navaratri2003.html

He has put the entire knowledge of Sri Chakra into the cd entitled Tripura 
for everyone to 
benefit. It is beautiful.

People nowadays
 can't read or write Sanskrit and thus they can't access the
 scriptures; 

This is not true.


real gurus are hard to find; 

This is true. REAL gurus find their devotees at the proper time.
 
and hardly anyone gets a
 shaktipat anymore; all we have now are the tantric techniques.

Again believe what you will.

 
  So, from the above observations, it is probable that Guru Dev
  meditated on bija-mantras contained within the Sri Yantra, a diagram
  or mnemonic device for transcending.
 
  Does anyone here really believe that Sri Brahmananda Saraswati 
  Jagadguru of Jyotir Math as the living example of Veda had to 
  meditate on anything?
 
 Everyone meditates on something - that's why they call it meditation.

Point is what is to meditate upon when Fullness is the reality?
Then again, what do I know.

 But we have an eyewitness account, Swami Rama of the Himalayas, who
 met Brahmanand Saraswati in the Vindhya mountains one time. In his
 book, Living With the Himalayan Masters, Swami Rama recounts how
 Brahmananda showed him a Sri Yantra and explained the Sri Vidya to
 him.
 
 So, we have an eyewitness account by Swami Rama; we have the fact that
 Brahmanand's guru was Swami Krishanand Saraswati of Sringeri; we have
 the fact that the Sringeri matha, founded by Shankara, is the seat of
 the Sri Chakra; and we have the Saundaryalahari composed by
 Shankaracharya, which describes the worship of Tripurasundari and
 enumerates the Sri Vidya bija-mantras. So, yes I do believe, based on
 the available evidence, that Swami Brahmanand Saraswati probably
 meditated on the Sri Chakra, just like all of the other Dasanamai
 Saraswati Sannyasins do.

This I do not doubt. Does it mean that an ordinary Joe gains liberation from 
performing 
this puja? It is doubtful that anyone but these swamis can properly perform 
such, and if a 
Joe attempted would likely bring about more disasterous results than positive.


Here is a verse from Shankara's Guru Ashtakam with commentary from Sri 
Ganapathi 
Sachchidananda Swamiji

Shadangaadhi Vedo Mukhe Shastra Vidhyaa
Kavitva aadhi Gadhyam Supadhyam Karoti
Guro Ranghri Padme Manasche Na Lagnam
Tatah kim Tatah kim Tatah kim Tatah kim

Shadangas, Vedas, Shastras, many studies are on the tip of one's tongue. 
He can lecture on them eloquently. He can instantaneously say poetry. He gets
many praises and titles. His mind doesn't set at the feet of Guru. Then what
is the use? All these are a waste.

Hari Om Tat Sat





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[FairfieldLife] White upper-class elitist overthrows Black President

2005-09-09 Thread shempmcgurk
How politically-incorrect is that?

Yet that is precisely what happened in Cuba, despite what Hollywood 
would have you believe.  Both Sidney Pollack (Havana) and Francis 
Ford Coppola (Godfather II) portrayed Fulgencio Batista as white 
Hispanics, yet Batista was a black Hispanic

http://images.google.com/images?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?

2005-09-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
 So you are saying that the practice of this knowledge of 
 Sri Vidya didn't exist prior?

Sri Vidya, the Audicious Wisdom, has existed since the dawn of human
conciousness, however as a tantric cult it dates from the eight
century in India durng the time of the Sahajyas and mahasiddhas.
 
 The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru.
 
That's tantra - but it's very difficult to find a true guru in this
age, that's why the tantras were prepared and desciminated.

 From His mouth these ears heard the following words,Practice of
 tantra keeps one tied to the earth, Swamiji's way is Vedic way 
 not tantric.
 
So, Swamiji doesn't agree with the Shankaracharya of Sringeri?

 People nowadays can't read or write Sanskrit and thus they 
 can't access the  scriptures; 
 
 This is not true.

So you're a Sanskrit reader and you can read the tantras. Why then
would you need a guru if you're already literate?
 
 real gurus are hard to find; 
 
 This is true. REAL gurus find their devotees at the proper time.
  
 and hardly anyone gets a shaktipat anymore; all we have 
 now are the tantric techniques.
 
 Again believe what you will.
 
 Everyone meditates on something - that's why they call it
 meditation.
 
 Point is what is to meditate upon when Fullness is the reality?

According to Shankaracharya of Sringeri, sadhaks should meditate on
the Sri Vidya bija-mantras.

 Then again, what do I know.
 
 So, yes I do believe, based on the available evidence, that 
 Swami Brahmanand Saraswati probably meditated on the Sri 
 Chakra, just like all of the other Dasanamai Saraswati 
 Sannyasins do.
 
 This I do not doubt. Does it mean that an ordinary Joe gains
 liberation from performing this puja?

Meditation and puja or any other technique does not bring liberation -
they only provide the opportunity for transcending.

 It is doubtful that anyone but these swamis can properly perform
 such, and if a Joe attempted would likely bring about more
 disasterous results than positive.
 
Anyone who can think can meditate using the tantric bija-mantras.

 His mind doesn't set at the feet of Guru. Then what
 is the use? All these are a waste.
 
Most of us don't live in India, therefore we can't sit at the feet of
your Swamiji and get the shaktipat.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Orleans Death Toll may be much less...

2005-09-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
Cliff wrote:
 The number of dead in New Orleans may not be as high as first 
 feared..., 

But for weeks now we've been told by the mayor of New Orleans and the
governor of Louisinana that the death toll could reach into the
thousands - the worst storm to ever hit the U.S.A. What's the death
toll now and how does that compare with previous hurricanes to hit the
mainland?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: what a snippy group

2005-09-09 Thread Bhairitu
TurquoiseB wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


wrote:
  

--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am completely amazed at this group. Snipping at
each other has become the norm.
  

Nonsense! ONly someone who is clueless would think
that.


Nonsense? It is you who WHO DOESNT HAVE A CLUE!! Look
at my post 657485685746534 in response to your post
5743598379 which was in response to post 875983598.
  

You idiot.That was post 5743598397. You reversed the last two digits. 
What are you, dyslexic?



Who are you calling dyslexic, you idiot?!  You'd
better run before I call down the wrath of Dog 
on you!


  

And here I thought it was because it was Yat Suga.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting the $50 billion

2005-09-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
jstein wrote:
 Are you asking me, or Sparaig?
 
I'm asking both of you - why aren't you reporting that the Louisiana
Department of Homeland Security wouldn't let the Red Cross and the
Salvation Army in to take food and water to the people stranded at the
Superdome in New Orleans? Why are you withholding information from the
group? You seem to have plenty of time on your hands. 

From Radio Blogger:

MG: But they couldn't get in to meet those needs. They asked to get
in. They were prepared with their...the Salvation Army has these
ever-familiar portable kitchen canteens, is what they call them. They
can actually make food, produce food on spot, and distribute it there.
People line up. We've seen that at hurricanes and other natural
disasters. They were ready. Not allowed in. At first, it was this idea
that we don't want to create a magnet at the evacuation site.
Secondarily, it became an issue of well, there's lots of water, and we
can't assure your safety, so on and so forth. Here's another key
point, Hugh. I was very specific with the American Red Cross,
president and CEO Marty Evans, and said wait. Tell me clearly. Were
you prepared to go in before the levees broke? Before water became an
issue of any kind? She said absolutely. Were you denied access before
the levees broke? She said we were denied access from minute one.

Read more:

Major Garrett updates us on the Red Cross AND the Salvation Army being
blocked from helping by Louisiana state officials:

http://www.radioblogger.com/#000970




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?

2005-09-09 Thread tazarmfune
 The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru.

Believe what you will.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: White upper-class elitist overthrows Black President

2005-09-09 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 How politically-incorrect is that?
 
 Yet that is precisely what happened in Cuba, despite what Hollywood 
 would have you believe.  Both Sidney Pollack (Havana) and Francis 
 Ford Coppola (Godfather II) portrayed Fulgencio Batista as white 
 Hispanics, yet Batista was a black Hispanic
 
 http://images.google.com/images?
 svnum=10hl=enc2coff=1q=fulgencio+batistaspell=1




http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Archives/CA_Show_Article/0,2322,217,00.html
Excerpts

The Batista-Lansky Alliance
How the mafia and a Cuban dictator built Havana's casinos
By Matthew Reiss

It was December 31, 1958. Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista raised a
New Year's Eve toast to his cabinet members and senior military
officers and wished them hasta la vista. After seven years of building
Havana's tourism industry by inviting gangsters such as Meyer Lansky
to construct casinos, helping to fund their enterprises and taking a
large chunk of the proceeds for himself, Batista knew his presidency
was over. His plundering had weakened Cuba's treasury and demoralized
the army. He filled three cargo planes with all he could carry and was
on his way to the Dominican Republic before the sun came up on 1959.

...But while Castro could close the casinos, arrest the gangsters and
deport or imprison Batista's henchmen, he could not bury the
skyscrapers that had drained the wealth of the island. Castro
inherited from Batista a Havana of overt poverty and ostentatious
wealth, where the haves of the world's richest nations had come to
exploit the have-nots; where statues of Lenin and Marx would be
dwarfed by glass and stone monuments to the Mob; where the nation's
architectural landmarks would be a constant reminder of the days when
criminals were in charge and the Mafia roamed free.

...
But until that last day of 1958, the only revolution that mattered to
Mafia financier Lansky involved a roulette wheel. During the Batista
years, Cuba was a place where a crooked man could make an honest
living. After a half century on the wrong side of the law in the
United States, the celebrated gangster was legit. America's high
rollers and celebrities were living large in the casino of Lansky's
luxury hotel, the Riviera, and the drinks were on the house.

In the mid-1930s, a Cuban army sergeant named Fulgencio Batista took
advantage of political chaos in the former Spanish colony and formed
his own government. At the time, the island republic was foundering,
as was its gambling industry. Years before, Havana's nightlife had
attracted wealthy entertainers from the United States, such as Sarah
Bernhardt and Enrico Caruso. But Cuba's gaming industry had become
mired in cheating and corruption by the 1930s. So, in 1939, Batista
recruited a New England racetrack owner named Lou Smith to revive
Havana's Oriental Park track and Meyer Lansky to clean up the casinos.


Two months before the 1952 presidential elections, Batista snatched
control of the government that he had relinquished, and quickly put
gambling back on track. Once again, the dictator contacted Lansky, but
this time he gave him an annual salary of $25,000 to serve as an
unofficial gambling minister.


In 1955, the Batista government passed a law granting a gaming license
to anyone who invested $1 million in a hotel or $200,000 in a new
nightclub. And that meant anyone. Unlike the procedure for acquiring
gaming licenses in Vegas, this provision exempted venture capitalists
from background checks. As long as they made the required investment,
they were provided with public matching funds for construction, a
10-year tax exemption and duty-free importation of equipment and
furnishings. Although Batista's ostensible aim was to create new jobs,
he gutted the labor laws to allow casino owners to bring their
American croupiers.

Under the Batista-Lansky administration, Havana was ripe for foreign
investment, especially for the glut of illegal earnings that Lansky
and his cronies had accumulated from bootlegging, numbers and other
rackets. The FBI was developing new ways of tracking down dirty money;
to gangsters with loads of tainted cash, Havana looked like a stable
offshore depository. The climate was so attractive that Lansky decided
to build his own hotel, the Riviera, on the Malecón, Havana's wide
boulevard along the seawall. In 1957 it rose over the horizon like a
beacon, advertising the city as a refuge from the law.

...

During the same period, however, the people of Cuba suffered.
Government corruption was endemic, while in Havana's streets
prostitution and poverty were rampant. In the countryside, the
peasants were suffering as well; Batista poured the nation's wealth
into the capital. He gave the gangsters millions in government funds
for hotel construction and spent millions more reclaiming valuable
waterfront real estate from the sea. Construction of Lansky's Riviera
went for about $18 million, while the Hotel 

[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting the $50 billion

2005-09-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
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 jstein wrote:
  Are you asking me, or Sparaig?
  
 I'm asking both of you

No, I was asking Cliff who he was asking, not you.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: White upper-class elitist overthrows Black President

2005-09-09 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  How politically-incorrect is that?
  
  Yet that is precisely what happened in Cuba, despite what 
Hollywood 
  would have you believe.  Both Sidney Pollack (Havana) and 
Francis 
  Ford Coppola (Godfather II) portrayed Fulgencio Batista as 
white 
  Hispanics, yet Batista was a black Hispanic
  
  http://images.google.com/images?
  svnum=10hl=enc2coff=1q=fulgencio+batistaspell=1
 






Interesting article, Akasha.

The first part, however, contrasts sharply with the last part.






 
 
 
 
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Archives/CA_Show_Article/0,23
22,217,00.html
 Excerpts
 
 The Batista-Lansky Alliance
 How the mafia and a Cuban dictator built Havana's casinos
 By Matthew Reiss
 
 It was December 31, 1958. Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista raised a
 New Year's Eve toast to his cabinet members and senior military
 officers and wished them hasta la vista. After seven years of 
building
 Havana's tourism industry by inviting gangsters such as Meyer 
Lansky
 to construct casinos, helping to fund their enterprises and taking 
a
 large chunk of the proceeds for himself, Batista knew his 
presidency
 was over. His plundering had weakened Cuba's treasury and 
demoralized
 the army. He filled three cargo planes with all he could carry and 
was
 on his way to the Dominican Republic before the sun came up on 
1959.
 
 ...But while Castro could close the casinos, arrest the gangsters 
and
 deport or imprison Batista's henchmen, he could not bury the
 skyscrapers that had drained the wealth of the island. Castro
 inherited from Batista a Havana of overt poverty and ostentatious
 wealth, where the haves of the world's richest nations had come to
 exploit the have-nots; where statues of Lenin and Marx would be
 dwarfed by glass and stone monuments to the Mob; where the nation's
 architectural landmarks would be a constant reminder of the days 
when
 criminals were in charge and the Mafia roamed free.
 
 ...
 But until that last day of 1958, the only revolution that mattered 
to
 Mafia financier Lansky involved a roulette wheel. During the 
Batista
 years, Cuba was a place where a crooked man could make an honest
 living. After a half century on the wrong side of the law in the
 United States, the celebrated gangster was legit. America's high
 rollers and celebrities were living large in the casino of Lansky's
 luxury hotel, the Riviera, and the drinks were on the house.
 
 In the mid-1930s, a Cuban army sergeant named Fulgencio Batista 
took
 advantage of political chaos in the former Spanish colony and 
formed
 his own government. At the time, the island republic was 
foundering,
 as was its gambling industry. Years before, Havana's nightlife had
 attracted wealthy entertainers from the United States, such as 
Sarah
 Bernhardt and Enrico Caruso. But Cuba's gaming industry had become
 mired in cheating and corruption by the 1930s. So, in 1939, Batista
 recruited a New England racetrack owner named Lou Smith to revive
 Havana's Oriental Park track and Meyer Lansky to clean up the 
casinos.
 
 
 Two months before the 1952 presidential elections, Batista snatched
 control of the government that he had relinquished, and quickly put
 gambling back on track. Once again, the dictator contacted Lansky, 
but
 this time he gave him an annual salary of $25,000 to serve as an
 unofficial gambling minister.
 
 
 In 1955, the Batista government passed a law granting a gaming 
license
 to anyone who invested $1 million in a hotel or $200,000 in a new
 nightclub. And that meant anyone. Unlike the procedure for 
acquiring
 gaming licenses in Vegas, this provision exempted venture 
capitalists
 from background checks. As long as they made the required 
investment,
 they were provided with public matching funds for construction, a
 10-year tax exemption and duty-free importation of equipment and
 furnishings. Although Batista's ostensible aim was to create new 
jobs,
 he gutted the labor laws to allow casino owners to bring their
 American croupiers.
 
 Under the Batista-Lansky administration, Havana was ripe for 
foreign
 investment, especially for the glut of illegal earnings that Lansky
 and his cronies had accumulated from bootlegging, numbers and other
 rackets. The FBI was developing new ways of tracking down dirty 
money;
 to gangsters with loads of tainted cash, Havana looked like a 
stable
 offshore depository. The climate was so attractive that Lansky 
decided
 to build his own hotel, the Riviera, on the Malecón, Havana's wide
 boulevard along the seawall. In 1957 it rose over the horizon like 
a
 beacon, advertising the city as a refuge from the law.
 
 ...
 
 During the same period, however, the people of Cuba suffered.
 Government corruption was endemic, while in Havana's streets
 prostitution and poverty were rampant. In the countryside, the
 peasants 

[FairfieldLife] Re: White upper-class elitist overthrows Black President

2005-09-09 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  How politically-incorrect is that?
  
  Yet that is precisely what happened in Cuba, despite what Hollywood 
  would have you believe.  Both Sidney Pollack (Havana) and Francis 
  Ford Coppola (Godfather II) portrayed Fulgencio Batista as white 
  Hispanics, yet Batista was a black Hispanic
  
  http://images.google.com/images?
  svnum=10hl=enc2coff=1q=fulgencio+batistaspell=1
 

More articles on Bastista and his regime
 
http://cuban-exile.com/doc_176-200/doc0190.html

Batista's brother-in-law controlled all 10,000 slot machines in Cuba,
which contributed million to the regime's bank account.  The slot
machines, symbols of the ousted leader, were especially sought out by
the mobs.

The government was to get $25,000 for license plus twenty percent of
the profits from each casino.  What Batista and the in group got has
never been certified.  It was rumored that to get a license a fee for
$250,000 and sometimes more was required under the table.  Periodic
payoffs were requested and received by the corrupt politicians.



http://www.laprensa-sandiego.org/archieve/oct15/cuba2.htm

With the U.S. government's full support, including arms, bombers, and
fighter planes, Batista's forces fought to suppress the revolution
and, during the course of the war, killed almost 20,000 Cubans. But
the Cuban people had had enough of Batista, the Mafia, political
corruption, tortures, and murders —as well as the U.S. government's
support of it all. The Cuban poor joined up with Castro's forces.


http://www.thescreamonline.com/essays/essays4-1/batista.html

THE COVER OF TIME MAGAZINE (April 9, 1952) showed a photo of Batista
with a Cuban flag behind him, and the caption: Cuba's Batista: he got
past Democracy's sentries. Ironically, that was not the first time
that Batista had bypassed the process of Democracy, with the full
blessing and encouragement of its self-appointed guardians. Twenty
years earlier Batista had become the strongman that would come to
symbolize the heart and soul of Roosevelt's Good Neighbor Policy.
...
 Batista opened the way for large-scale gambling in Havana, and he
reorganized the Cuban state so that he and his political appointees
could harvest the nation's riches. He announced that his government
would match, dollar for dollar, any hotel investment over $1 million,
which would include a casino license, and Lansky became the center of
the entire Cuban gambling operation.
...
 Due to popular unrest, and to apiece his U.S. friends, Batista held a
mock election in which he was the only legal candidate. He won,
becoming president of Cuba in 1954. Cubans, however, had learned not
to trust him, and were demanding new, legitimate elections.

...
 By late 1955 student riots and anti-Batista demonstration had become
frequent. These were dealt with in the violent manner his military
police had come to represent. Students attempting to march from the
University of Havana were stopped and beaten by the police, and
student leader José A. Echeverría had to be hospitalized. Another
popular student leader was killed on December 10, leading to a funeral
that became a gigantic political protest with a 5-minute nationwide
work stoppage.

Instead of loosening his grip, Batista suspended constitutional
guarantees and established tighter censorship of the media. His
military police would patrol the streets and pick up anyone suspected
of insurrection. By the end of 1955 they had grown more prone to
violent acts of brutality and torture, with no fear of legal
repercussions. 


http://www.fff.org/freedom/0599a.asp

Before the Cuban revolution, Cuba's mercantilist economic system was
similar to those found in other Latin American countries, with the
state controlling, regulating, and taxing economic activity for the
benefit of those who were politically privileged. Today, the term
would be crony capitalism. 
...

Among Batista's favorite cronies were Mafia bosses, who moved their
operations to Havana when their casinos in Florida were shut down.
With Batista's full blessing and assistance, the Mafia made Cuba its
base of operations, not only for gambling, but for heroin and cocaine
distribution into the United States as well. Of course, the Mafia
bosses, in turn, kicked back nice sums of money to Batista.

Batista was the U.S. government's man in Havana, even though U.S.
officials knew that he was a brutal, antidemocratic, corrupt tyrant in
full partnership with Mafia murderers and drug dealers. None of this
mattered to Washington policymakers. What mattered was that as our
man in Havana, when Batista received orders from Washington, he obeyed. 


http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/sw/sw33/pgs_20-30/cuba.html

Batista formed a partnership with the Mafia. Ciudad La Habana became
the best little narco-trafficking base, money laundering center, and
whorehouse in the Caribbean. So 

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005

2005-09-09 Thread Ron F
Note: forwarded message attached.

The Luck of the World

Global Press Conference,  24.8.05

MAHARISHI:   ...sometimes we begin to feel to be angry
on these people
(government). Then we compromise and say, those who
can not think properly
how can we be angry on them. Their brain is
functioning distorted. So how
can we be angry on them. They have been drugged in
their early stages. They
are not eating proper food. In the name of medicine
they are eating poison
for new diseases to come up. How you can expect them
to be sensible to
themselves or sensible to others...

So the conclusion in my mind is, do what we ourselves
can do. Do what we
can do and don`t think much of anything. Whatever
coherence we can create in
any country, that will be our contribution for
creating that coherence in
the national consciousness. Governments are not in the
position to hear...

We still have hope in a hopeless world. We are trying
to gather (big groups)
very soon. But the destiny of the people doesn`t allow
us to light the big
lamp so quickly so that immediately the deep darkness
simply disappears. It
is the fate of the people. Fate of the people. But
still I am hopeful. I am
continuing...

It is not necessary to be angry on them because, if a
man is rushing on to
the hell, you can`t stop him. He is running and
rushing to get into the
gates of hell. What you can do?  But inform him before
he starts in that
direction. Tell him you are divine inside, you are
cosmic inside, you are
universal inside. Your soul is a unified field. You
are bliss inside. You
are a flow of bliss. You are a flow of total Natural
Law. You are
invincible. You are powerful. You are integrated...

It is just a matter of the total atmosphere which has
a great influence on
the individual. And the total atmosphere we are aiming
at,  purifying the
total atmosphere. Harmony, positivity in the national
consciousness of every
country, in the world consciousness. Big groups, big
groups.

And we are finding our way to create big groups even
so it is not happening
so quickly. But we can attribute it to not lack of our
efforts but lack of
the luck of the world. We have to hide somewhere. So
we hide behind the
logic that it is the lack of luck of the world that it
is not going so fast.
There we take refuge. If it is not going fast we have
a logic, it is the
luck of the world.

But it is enjoyable, this way or that way. We are on
the right way.

Maryanne Lee-Hartman




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The Luck of the World

Global Press Conference, 24.8.05

MAHARISHI: ...sometimes we begin to feel to be angry
on these people
(government). Then we compromise and say, those who
can not think properly
how can we be angry on them. Their brain is
functioning distorted. So how
can we be angry on them. They have been drugged in
their early stages. They
are not eating proper food. In the name of medicine
they are eating poison
for new diseases to come up. How you can expect them
to be sensible to
themselves or sensible to others...

So the conclusion in my mind is, do what we ourselves
can do. Do what we
can do and don`t think much of anything. Whatever
coherence we can create in
any country, that will be our contribution for
creating that coherence in
the national consciousness. Governments are not in the
position to hear...

We still have hope in a hopeless world. We are trying
to gather (big groups)
very soon. But the destiny of the people doesn`t allow
us to light the big
lamp so quickly so that immediately the deep darkness
simply disappears. It
is the fate of the people. Fate of the people. But
still I am hopeful. I am
continuing...

It is not necessary to be angry on them because, if a
man is rushing on to
the hell, you can`t stop him. He is running and
rushing to get into the
gates of hell. What you can do? But inform him before
he starts in that
direction. Tell him you are divine inside, you are
cosmic inside, you are
universal inside. Your soul is a unified field. You
are bliss inside. You
are a flow of bliss. You are a flow of total Natural
Law. You are
invincible. You are powerful. You are integrated...

It is just a 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters

2005-09-09 Thread bostonbob53
 
 The guy admits to being a racist. He admits that his politics come
 straight out of the Aryan Nation.   So what?  What are the rest of
 you, the members of this snake pit called FFL?  
 
 Don't bother calling me a racist.  I proclaim that I am one.  Now what
 are you going to do about it?  Call me on it?  I am proud to proclaim
 that I am one.  Do you think calling me one discredits anything else I
 write in this snake pit?  It certainly doesn't shame me to call me
 what I freely admit to being.  Proudly admit to being.

So let me get this straight Tom.  In this forum of about 1,000 members of FFL, 
you are saying Yes, I hate Jews, I hate Blacks and other minorities. I'm glad 
for the suffering in New Orleans and it is a shame that the whole place wasn't 
wiped off the earth with all its inhabitants.   

That is what you are saying proudly?

When you see photos of kids who lost their parents and parents who lost their 
kids in the flood, you feel what.a little compassion for their pain, or 
that they 
got what they deserved?

Admittedly I don't know much about yagyas, yajnas, or whatever.  But I know 
they are a form of prayer.  I'm just wondering how you have the balls to ask 
god in whatever form you believe in, to help you,  to support your life and 
what 
you want to make of it.  

A word of advice Tom, keep your head down and don't go out when there is a 
chance of lightning.  




  




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005

2005-09-09 Thread Peter


--- Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Note: forwarded message attached.
 
 The Luck of the World
 
 Global Press Conference,  24.8.05
 
 MAHARISHI:  
 
 We still have hope in a hopeless world. We are
 trying
 to gather (big groups)
 very soon. But the destiny of the people doesn`t
 allow
 us to light the big
 lamp so quickly so that immediately the deep
 darkness
 simply disappears. It
 is the fate of the people. Fate of the people. But
 still I am hopeful. I am
 continuing...

Well gee, Maharishi. MAYBE IF YOU DIDN'T STEAL ALL THE
MONEY THAT'S BEEN DONATED TO YOUR PUNDIT PROJECTS, BIG
GROUPS COULD HAVE ACTUALLY GOTTEN TOGETHER. I love you
MMY, but you're a big ass con artist and crook. Let's
call a spade a spade, okay?



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005

2005-09-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
---Peter wrote:
 
 --- Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Note: forwarded message attached.
 
 The Luck of the World
 
 Global Press Conference,  24.8.05
 
 MAHARISHI: 
 
 We still have hope in a hopeless world. We are trying to gather (big groups) 
 very soon. But the destiny of the people doesn`t allow us to light the big 
 lamp so quickly so that immediately the deep darkness simply disappears. It 
 is the fate of the people. Fate of the people. But still I am hopeful. I am 
 continuing...
 
 Well gee, Maharishi. MAYBE IF YOU DIDN'T STEAL 
 ALL THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN DONATED TO YOUR 
 PUNDIT PROJECTS, BIG GROUPS COULD HAVE ACTUALLY 
 GOTTEN TOGETHER.

Funny, but I've never consider the ethical or karmic ramifications 
of Maharishi's nephews skimming all that money for their own 
purposes. In Maharishi's universe, where entire nations are 
subject to instant karma, shouldn't the nephews be burning 
in hell or something? 

If they're not suffering, can we presume that (1) karma isn't instant, 
or (2) they didn't take the money?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?

2005-09-09 Thread hanumanhoffman9
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  So you are saying that the practice of this knowledge of 
  Sri Vidya didn't exist prior?
 
 Sri Vidya, the Audicious Wisdom, has existed since the dawn of human
 conciousness, however as a tantric cult it dates from the eight
 century in India durng the time of the Sahajyas and mahasiddhas.
  
  The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru.
  
 That's tantra - but it's very difficult to find a true guru in this
 age, that's why the tantras were prepared and desciminated.

There is a TRUE guru walking the planet. The Adiguru Lord Dattatreya's Avatara 
Sri 
Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji.
Greater scholars than those perported in this forum have attempted to prove 
otherwise.
Wanna make and attempt?
Dattatreya must be familiar to you? 

  From His mouth these ears heard the following words,Practice of
  tantra keeps one tied to the earth, Swamiji's way is Vedic way 
  not tantric.
  

 So, Swamiji doesn't agree with the Shankaracharya of Sringeri?

You can read for yourself what the Shankaracharya of Sringeri said when the 
Shankaracharya visited Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji in Mysore.
Note who visited who.
http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/latest/2002/april/sringeri/report.htm

 
  People nowadays can't read or write Sanskrit and thus they 
  can't access the  scriptures; 
  
  This is not true.
 

 So you're a Sanskrit reader and you can read the tantras. Why then
 would you need a guru if you're already literate?

The answer I gave does not make the claim that I could read Sanskrit.
I do see written above your claim that people can't read it.

According to Shankara one needs initiation from Guru in order to gain 
liberation.

  
  real gurus are hard to find; 
  
  This is true. REAL gurus find their devotees at the proper time.
   
  and hardly anyone gets a shaktipat anymore; all we have 
  now are the tantric techniques.
  
  Again believe what you will.
  
  Everyone meditates on something - that's why they call it
  meditation.
  
  Point is what is to meditate upon when Fullness is the reality?
 

 According to Shankaracharya of Sringeri, sadhaks should meditate on
 the Sri Vidya bija-mantras.

I thought we were talking about Sri Brahamananda Saraswati's meditations.
No denial about the sadhakas.
 
  Then again, what do I know.
  
  So, yes I do believe, based on the available evidence, that 
  Swami Brahmanand Saraswati probably meditated on the Sri 
  Chakra, just like all of the other Dasanamai Saraswati 
  Sannyasins do.
  
  This I do not doubt. Does it mean that an ordinary Joe gains
  liberation from performing this puja?
 

 Meditation and puja or any other technique does not bring liberation -
 they only provide the opportunity for transcending.
 
  It is doubtful that anyone but these swamis can properly perform
  such, and if a Joe attempted would likely bring about more
  disasterous results than positive.
 
 
 Anyone who can think can meditate using the tantric bija-mantras.

Again, the point was about proper (improper) performance of puja and not 
meditating.

 
  His mind doesn't set at the feet of Guru. Then what
  is the use? All these are a waste.
  

 Most of us don't live in India, therefore we can't sit at the feet of
 your Swamiji and get the shaktipat.

Your statement is a very revealing one.
Guru cannot be limited to the physical form.

The sloka says: His mind doesn't set at the feet of Guru.

Sri Swamiji has been around the world over 65 times. It wasn't in India where 
He became 
available to this sadhaka. He is available through His music and thousands of 
songs 
containing these bijas to which you refer. His music is most beautiful, His 
voice divine, so 
many songs to Devi. 

Tantra...Veda...  the line is definitely very very thin.

Dattatreya's ways are very tricky and not for everyone.

Jaya Guru Datta
Hari Om Tat Sat










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005

2005-09-09 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Note: forwarded message attached.
snip And we are finding our way to create big groups even
 so it is not happening
 so quickly. But we can attribute it to not lack of our
 efforts but lack of
 the luck of the world. We have to hide somewhere. So
 we hide behind the
 logic that it is the lack of luck of the world that it
 is not going so fast.
 There we take refuge. If it is not going fast we have
 a logic, it is the
 luck of the world.
 
In the excerpt above, can anyone please explain to me what MMY is 
talking about when he says, We have to hide somewhere. So we hide 
behind the logic...? Sounds crazy to me. And the whole tone of the 
message seems like he is protecting the incompetence of those in his 
movement. Or am I missing something?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bush: The Buck Stops Anywhere, But Here

2005-09-09 Thread Bhairitu
 From what I've seen it is pretty difficult to manage a company much 
larger than 200.  Beyond that things seem to spin out of control.  
However, we seem to have lots of fools and megalomaniacs that are 
willing to attempt the chore.

Cliff wrote:

You've clearly never run even a small corporation, Robert, much
less a large one.  Otherwise you'd realize what a crushing
sense of responsibility that is for any CEO who takes their
job seriously.

Learn before commenting.  Otherwise you sound pretty dumb...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

George must think, he's a CEO of a large corporation;
 
And that he's really not responsible for anything:
  
Because in a corporation, you can pass the buck, literally,
 
And quite easily,
 
Right?
 
Robert Gimbel

  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Orleans Death Toll may be much less...

2005-09-09 Thread Cliff
That's been my point for a while - touting HUGE numbers of deaths is a
great political play, particularly when you're trying desperately to point the
blame finger away from yourself.  More input:

Katrina death toll still a question

Sep 8, 10:34 PM (ET)

By Jim Loney

BATON ROUGE, La., Sept 8 - Estimates of the death toll from Hurricane Katrina 
have run as 
high as 10,000 but the actual body count so far is much lower and officials who 
feared the 
worst now hope the dire predictions were wrong.

The recovery of Katrina's victims speeded up in the last two days. As of 
Thursday, 
Mississippi had recorded 201 deaths and Louisiana 118, while other affected 
states had 
much lower numbers.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Cliff wrote:
  The number of dead in New Orleans may not be as high as first 
  feared..., 
 
 But for weeks now we've been told by the mayor of New Orleans and the
 governor of Louisinana that the death toll could reach into the
 thousands - the worst storm to ever hit the U.S.A. What's the death
 toll now and how does that compare with previous hurricanes to hit the
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?

2005-09-09 Thread Cliff
As wonderful as that quote used to sound, my gut response now
is, And would it possibly have been a Guru who wrote that?  Then,
Was he asking for donations in the next breath?

Sorry - the universe is too vast for there to be an only means.  And
the Divine is too compassionate for there to be just one way.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?

2005-09-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 As wonderful as that quote used to sound, my gut response now
 is, And would it possibly have been a Guru who wrote that?  Then,
 Was he asking for donations in the next breath?
 
 Sorry - the universe is too vast for there to be an only means.  And
 the Divine is too compassionate for there to be just one way.

Well said.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005

2005-09-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Note: forwarded message attached.
 snip And we are finding our way to create big groups even
  so it is not happening
  so quickly. But we can attribute it to not lack of our
  efforts but lack of
  the luck of the world. We have to hide somewhere. So
  we hide behind the
  logic that it is the lack of luck of the world that it
  is not going so fast.
  There we take refuge. If it is not going fast we have
  a logic, it is the
  luck of the world.
  
 In the excerpt above, can anyone please explain to me what MMY is 
 talking about when he says, We have to hide somewhere. So we hide 
 behind the logic...? Sounds crazy to me.

Caught my eye too.  I suspect it's one of his
quasi-gnomic statements that's open to multiple
interpretations.  The way I read it, he's saying
there's an explanation that makes sense (the logic),
but at the same time, in characterizing it as 
hiding, he's also suggesting that it's an excuse.

As in: Some of you are mature enough to take
responsibility for the failure without being crushed,
and you don't need the excuse; those of you who
who aren't that mature, here's something you can hide
behind.

 And the whole tone of the 
 message seems like he is protecting the incompetence of those in
 his movement. Or am I missing something?

He's being more explicit about the failure than
I've seen before, actually, but for whatever
reason he's not lambasting the teachers for it.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005

2005-09-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   Note: forwarded message attached.
  snip And we are finding our way to create big groups even
   so it is not happening
   so quickly. But we can attribute it to not lack of our
   efforts but lack of
   the luck of the world. We have to hide somewhere. So
   we hide behind the
   logic that it is the lack of luck of the world that it
   is not going so fast.
   There we take refuge. If it is not going fast we have
   a logic, it is the
   luck of the world.
   
  In the excerpt above, can anyone please explain to me what MMY is 
  talking about when he says, We have to hide somewhere. So we 
  hide behind the logic...? Sounds crazy to me.
 
 Caught my eye too.  I suspect it's one of his
 quasi-gnomic statements that's open to multiple
 interpretations.  The way I read it, he's saying
 there's an explanation that makes sense (the logic),
 but at the same time, in characterizing it as 
 hiding, he's also suggesting that it's an excuse.
 
 As in: Some of you are mature enough to take
 responsibility for the failure without being crushed,
 and you don't need the excuse; those of you who
 who aren't that mature, here's something you can hide
 behind.
 
  And the whole tone of the 
  message seems like he is protecting the incompetence of those in
  his movement. Or am I missing something?
 
 He's being more explicit about the failure than
 I've seen before, actually, but for whatever
 reason he's not lambasting the teachers for it.

Benevolent of him, since the failure is his.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005

2005-09-09 Thread Cliff
No one has ever said karma is instant that I recall hearing, and in 
any case, all actions are possible to justify if one tries hard enough.

*Well, since you all are so stupid as to keep giving us money when 
we've clearly lied to you over and over again, we don't get bad karma
from doing this.  We're just the agents of your own karma trying to
teach you to pay attention and quit believing con men and frauds.  We
promise that once you finally wake up and figure out what's been 
happening that we won't ever do it again.* 

*But we will keep the money.*

*Part of the process of making sure you REALLY understand the lesson...*



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 ---Peter wrote:
  
  --- Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Note: forwarded message attached.
  
  The Luck of the World
  
  Global Press Conference,  24.8.05
  
  MAHARISHI: 
  
  We still have hope in a hopeless world. We are trying to gather (big 
  groups) 
  very soon. But the destiny of the people doesn`t allow us to light the big 
  lamp so quickly so that immediately the deep darkness simply disappears. 
  It 
  is the fate of the people. Fate of the people. But still I am hopeful. I 
  am 
  continuing...
  
  Well gee, Maharishi. MAYBE IF YOU DIDN'T STEAL 
  ALL THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN DONATED TO YOUR 
  PUNDIT PROJECTS, BIG GROUPS COULD HAVE ACTUALLY 
  GOTTEN TOGETHER.
 
 Funny, but I've never consider the ethical or karmic ramifications 
 of Maharishi's nephews skimming all that money for their own 
 purposes. In Maharishi's universe, where entire nations are 
 subject to instant karma, shouldn't the nephews be burning 
 in hell or something? 
 
 If they're not suffering, can we presume that (1) karma isn't instant, 
 or (2) they didn't take the money?
 
  - Patrick Gillam




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[FairfieldLife] 'All Television Networks/Will Carry Live Concert, Tonight 8:00pm EDT'

2005-09-09 Thread Robert Gimbel



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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bush: The Buck Stops Anywhere, But Here

2005-09-09 Thread Cliff
There are many corporations of much larger than 200 people who can
trace their existence back hundreds of years.  Your implication that only
a *fool* or a *megalomaniac* would ever take on the task of leading such
an entity betrays your intense anti-business bias, I would suggest, and has
very little to do with reality.

If big business is so horrible and run by such truly awful people, why do
you drive a car?  Why do you fly in airplanes?  Why do you use dish-washers
and vacuum cleaners?  Why do you shop in grocery stores rather than pluck
your own weeds?  Every day you willingly, gladly and completely unthink-
ingly use thousands of products which could only have been produced by
long-lived, stable, efficient companies of vastly more than 200 people.

Bashing big business is so sophomoric.  You would prefer the Middle Ages,
I assume?  For what - the fresh air?  Outside of cities, perhaps, but the
stench and filth in cities came WAY before big business.  For the educational
opportunities?  Big smile on that one.  For the simplicity of life?  Well, 80%
of people dying by age 5 and most of the rest dying by age 30 does cut down
on the number of choices one has to make, so life was simpler in that respect.

Yes, there are many examples of bad apples in big business.  There are even
more examples of bad apples who are loners.  So what?  Look what you
choose by essentially every action you take, including looking at this website
which involves the intense cooperation of hundreds of different large business
entities, and see what your actions say about your feelings.  Drop the
posturing, please.  It's sort of like Maharishi nattering on about how horrible
western medicine is when he would have died multiple times already without it.
Totally undercuts the argument.

There is ALWAYS something that can be improved in any situation.  Always.  I
think that focusing on that makes way more sense than bitching about things
that obviously work so well that you perpetually choose them.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From what I've seen it is pretty difficult to manage a company much 
 larger than 200.  Beyond that things seem to spin out of control.  
 However, we seem to have lots of fools and megalomaniacs that are 
 willing to attempt the chore.
 
 Cliff wrote:
 
 You've clearly never run even a small corporation, Robert, much
 less a large one.  Otherwise you'd realize what a crushing
 sense of responsibility that is for any CEO who takes their
 job seriously.
 
 Learn before commenting.  Otherwise you sound pretty dumb...
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   
 
 George must think, he's a CEO of a large corporation;
  
 And that he's really not responsible for anything:
   
 Because in a corporation, you can pass the buck, literally,
  
 And quite easily,
  
 Right?
  
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[FairfieldLife] Fw: Founders Day September 12, 2005

2005-09-09 Thread George DeForest
Title: Founders Day September 12, 2005





.


  
  
Dear Alumni and 
  Friends,This Monday marks the 34th anniversary of the founding of Maharishi 
  University of Management 
  and as many of us remember, Maharishi International University. How can we 
  ever begin to thank Maharishi for all the love, precious wisdom, and great 
  patience he has bestowed upon us throughout the years?Let's 
  celebrate together this coming Monday evening, September 12. Plans are still in the works. We are hopeful to 
  connect with Holland or at least have some inspirational words. Locally, I 
  would like to invite all those who wish to share in the "yagya" of 
  thanksgiving to our Founder, to help bake sweets and treats and bring them 
  to the Dome Monday evening, bring flowers or plants to help decorate the 
  stage, and any other ideas you may have. Maharishi had organized 
  such a magnificent celebration of thanks honoring Guru Dev this recent 
  Guru Purnima Celebration that it would be so wonderful to return that 
  thanks to Maharishi. Please call me or email me with your thoughts and 
  let's all plan a beautiful evening together, beginning with large group 
  program.Jai Guru DevJennine 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bush: The Buck Stops Anywhere, But Here

2005-09-09 Thread Bhairitu
So you're a big business apologist. :) 

Cliff wrote:

There are many corporations of much larger than 200 people who can
trace their existence back hundreds of years.  Your implication that only
a *fool* or a *megalomaniac* would ever take on the task of leading such
an entity betrays your intense anti-business bias, I would suggest, and has
very little to do with reality.
  

I've been a manager in company, have you?   I know the reality very 
well.  Company size was an issue of intense discussion.   We watched as 
the company CEO fell out of control when it was taken public and grew to 
over 400 people.  We also saw this happen with other companies.

In my case I wound up with 24 people in my group to manage.  Now anyone 
who knows anything about management that it is difficult to manage a 
group of any more than 8 people.  This has been recognized in the 
military for years.  I had to create yet another layer of management 
with 3-4 managers under me  of those 24.   But it is also a good idea to 
keep the number of layers low.  In its better days Hewlett-Packard was 
considered a great place to work because they only had 3 levels of 
hierarchy. 

If big business is so horrible and run by such truly awful people, why do
you drive a car?  Why do you fly in airplanes?  Why do you use dish-washers
and vacuum cleaners?  Why do you shop in grocery stores rather than pluck
your own weeds?  Every day you willingly, gladly and completely unthink-
ingly use thousands of products which could only have been produced by
long-lived, stable, efficient companies of vastly more than 200 people.

  

These days a lot of these things are assembled from stuff supplied by 
smaller companies.  It's been that way for some time.  I'm not saying 
that every large business does that but  many do. 

Also when we have smaller companies then they employ more people and 
employment becomes less of a problem.  People enjoy working in smaller 
companies than large ones as the retain their identity and know more of 
the people they work with.

Then we have the issue of corporations which have become psychopathic 
and destructive to the society and the environment.  It would be far 
better to limit corporation size, rights and life span as we did in the 
US prior to the Civil War.

Some of this psychopathic behavior is due to companies going public.  
They begin to work for the investor and not the customer.  Often doing 
so they lose what made them successful in the first place.  There is a 
saying, before going public you work for dollars.  After going public 
you work for quarters.

Have a nice time working at Wal-Mart. ;-)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Founders Day September 12, 2005

2005-09-09 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest
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 Founders Day September 12, 2005.
 
 
   Dear Alumni and Friends,
 
   This Monday marks the 34th anniversary of the founding of
Maharishi University of Management and as many of us remember,
Maharishi International University. How can we ever begin to thank
Maharishi for all the love, precious wisdom, and great patience he has
bestowed upon us throughout the years?


Nothing like advanced planning. Must have been on the top of the
priority list ... 

JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Bush: The Buck Stops Anywhere, But Here

2005-09-09 Thread Cliff
I like to think of myself as an observer and commentator, but not an
apologist.  I try to describe what I see and experience and draw 
conclusions from the same, not paying too much attention to what 
the *accepted wisdom* is on any given topic.

I think our ability to work together in large organizations
is critical to much of what we, as a species, have come to enjoy.  It's also
produced many of our most difficult challenges.

But humans overwhelmingly vote for what only large, stable, long-lived
organizations (business, education, government, etc.) can provide.  And we
have for thousands of years.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So you're a big business apologist. :) 
 
 Cliff wrote:
 
 There are many corporations of much larger than 200 people who can
 trace their existence back hundreds of years.  Your implication that only
 a *fool* or a *megalomaniac* would ever take on the task of leading such
 an entity betrays your intense anti-business bias, I would suggest, and has
 very little to do with reality.
   
 
 I've been a manager in company, have you?   I know the reality very 
 well.  Company size was an issue of intense discussion.   We watched as 
 the company CEO fell out of control when it was taken public and grew to 
 over 400 people.  We also saw this happen with other companies.
 
 In my case I wound up with 24 people in my group to manage.  Now anyone 
 who knows anything about management that it is difficult to manage a 
 group of any more than 8 people.  This has been recognized in the 
 military for years.  I had to create yet another layer of management 
 with 3-4 managers under me  of those 24.   But it is also a good idea to 
 keep the number of layers low.  In its better days Hewlett-Packard was 
 considered a great place to work because they only had 3 levels of 
 hierarchy. 
 
 If big business is so horrible and run by such truly awful people, why do
 you drive a car?  Why do you fly in airplanes?  Why do you use dish-washers
 and vacuum cleaners?  Why do you shop in grocery stores rather than pluck
 your own weeds?  Every day you willingly, gladly and completely unthink-
 ingly use thousands of products which could only have been produced by
 long-lived, stable, efficient companies of vastly more than 200 people.
 
   
 
 These days a lot of these things are assembled from stuff supplied by 
 smaller companies.  It's been that way for some time.  I'm not saying 
 that every large business does that but  many do. 
 
 Also when we have smaller companies then they employ more people and 
 employment becomes less of a problem.  People enjoy working in smaller 
 companies than large ones as the retain their identity and know more of 
 the people they work with.
 
 Then we have the issue of corporations which have become psychopathic 
 and destructive to the society and the environment.  It would be far 
 better to limit corporation size, rights and life span as we did in the 
 US prior to the Civil War.
 
 Some of this psychopathic behavior is due to companies going public.  
 They begin to work for the investor and not the customer.  Often doing 
 so they lose what made them successful in the first place.  There is a 
 saying, before going public you work for dollars.  After going public 
 you work for quarters.
 
 Have a nice time working at Wal-Mart. ;-)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: what a snippy group

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am completely amazed at this group. Snipping at
 each other has become the norm.

Nonsense! ONly someone who is clueless would think
that.
   
   Nonsense? It is you who WHO DOESNT HAVE A CLUE!! Look
   at my post 657485685746534 in response to your post
   5743598379 which was in response to post 875983598.
  
  You idiot.That was post 5743598397. You reversed the last two 
digits. 
  What are you, dyslexic?
 
 Who are you calling dyslexic, you idiot?!  You'd
 better run before I call down the wrath of Dog 
 on you!

You misspelled doG, fool.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Front page of all major newspapers in the world in real time

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Very cool:
 
 http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/flash/

Bookmarked.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Practical uses of flashing - for Tom Pall

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
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wrote:
 Called putting your assets to good use...
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  from the New York Times:
  
  Some holdouts seem intent on keeping alive the 
  distinct and wild spirit of this city. In the French 
  Quarter, Addie Hall and Zackery Bowen found a 
  unusual way to make sure that police officers 
  regularly patrolled their house. Ms. Hall, 28, a 
  bartender, flashed her breasts at the police vehicles 
  that passed by, ensuring a regular flow of traffic.
  
  http://tinyurl.com/dshvd

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[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting the $50 billion

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 It allows people to be employed who won't have ANY job if high 
minimum-
 wage guidelines are enforced.  This will be particularly helpful in 
getting
 teenagers or early-20s people who have little skills back to at 
least some
 useful work.
 

No teenagers or low-skill workers are going to be involved in 
rebuilding a disaster-area. You need your very best to handle the 
demands. I mean, they're going to be buildingin a contaminated swamp 
where living quarters will likely be miles from theworksite. you 
don't do OJT in emergency conditions.


 I think it's a great move, and I believe I understand the economics 
behind
 it.  Is it possible that you oppose it simply because Bush proposed 
it?  

Is it possible you've missed that this is a disaster relief and 
rebuilding effort, not a $500 million pork-bridge in Alaska?





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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: 'Katrina Fuels Debate on Global Warming'

2005-09-09 Thread Robert Gimbel



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[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting $50 billion - Now FEMA Head Lies-Experience

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
FEMA will receive nearly all of the funds approved on 
 Thursday -- 
   $50 
billion -- while the Defense Department will get $1.4 billion 
 for 
   its 
rescue efforts. The Army Corps of Engineers will get $400 
 million 
   to 
dredge navigation channels, repair pump stations and levees 
in 
 New 
Orleans and repair other projects in Gulf states.
  
  Lots coming out on Brown, the head of FEMA, who will be in charge 
 of
  that $50 billion.  As most know, he's been derided as a horse 
 lawyer
  with no emergency management experience (he was a lawyer for the
  Arabian Horse Association from which he was ousted).  More on his
  official resume posted at FindLaw:
  
  - his law school is not accredited and is regarded as a joke
  - he states he was on the Dean's List at his college in OK, but 
the
  college says NO he never was
  - he states he was given the award outstanding political science
  professor at his college, but the college says he was never a
  professor at all, much less an outstanding one
  -  he states he was Director of a christian nursing home, but the
  nursing home has never heard of him
  - he was let go from his first law job,
 
 
 
 Well, at least that indicates he passed the bar, no?  Assuming you 
 can't get a law job without being a lawyer.  So how bad could it 
 be getting your law degree at an unaccredited school?
 

Can you pass the bar without an accredited degree? Just because he 
works as a lawyer doesn't mean he's licensed to practice law 
anywhere.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Saved Through Dzogchen

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Vaj wrote:
  All of these problems are the gathering of karma.
 
 So, Vaj, do you agree with the Rinpoche that all the problems in the 
 Katrina castrophe are the fault of the people and their karma? If the 
 theory of karma is real, then why didn't the Chinese get hit by an 
 earthquake, since they decimated the Tibetans?
 
 Do you guys actually read this stuff BEFORE you post it?

Karma doesn't require that you get payback THIS lifetime...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Practical uses of flashing - for Tom Pall

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Patrick Gillam wrote:
  Ms. Hall, 28, a bartender, flashed her breasts at the police
  vehicles that passed by, ensuring a regular flow of traffic.
  
 From This is London:
 
 He told the Liverpool Daily Post: I couldn't describe how bad the 
 authorities were. Just little things like taking photographs of us,
 as we are standing on the roof waving for help, for their own 
little 
 snapshot albums.
 
 At one point, there were a load of girls on the roof of the hotel 
 saying 'Can you help us?' and the policemen said 'Show us what 
 you've got' and made signs for them to lift their T-shirts. When 
the 
 girls refused, they said 'Fine' and motored off down the road in 
 their boat.
 
 'Penn accuses Bush amid rescue chaos'
 This is LONDON
 http://tinyurl.com/95q7b

Do you catch the difference between reward for extra attention and 
requirement of payment for rescue?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Saved Through Dzogchen

2005-09-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Vaj wrote:
   All of these problems are the gathering of karma.
  
  So, Vaj, do you agree with the Rinpoche that all the problems in 
the 
  Katrina castrophe are the fault of the people and their karma? If 
the 
  theory of karma is real, then why didn't the Chinese get hit by 
an 
  earthquake, since they decimated the Tibetans?
  
  Do you guys actually read this stuff BEFORE you post it?
 
 Karma doesn't require that you get payback THIS lifetime...

In fact, the perfect karma for some assholes
might just be having to spend about 10,000 
more incarnations as an asshole.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Orleans Death Toll may be much less...

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cliff wrote:
  The number of dead in New Orleans may not be as high as first 
  feared..., 
 
 But for weeks now we've been told by the mayor of New Orleans and the
 governor of Louisinana that the death toll could reach into the
 thousands - the worst storm to ever hit the U.S.A. What's the death
 toll now and how does that compare with previous hurricanes to hit the
 mainland?

What are we supposed tob e doing concerning waiting for the rescues and 
so on to be completed, again?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: what a snippy group

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 TurquoiseB wrote:
 
[...]
 
 Who are you calling dyslexic, you idiot?!  You'd
 better run before I call down the wrath of Dog 
 on you!
 
 
   
 
 And here I thought it was because it was Yat Suga.

Scarily enough, I read that as Sat Yuga the first time.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Front page of all major newspapers in the world in real time

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Very cool:
  
  http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/flash/
 
 Europe  Estonia:
 
 Õu mai gaad mis beibed!  LOL
 
 (Oh my God what babes!)

Heavy sigh. 

Reminds me of my cute neighbor who came in to model part of her work 
costume to drum up business for the annual haunted house walk.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 
 --- Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Note: forwarded message attached.
  
  The Luck of the World
  
  Global Press Conference,  24.8.05
  
  MAHARISHI:  
  
  We still have hope in a hopeless world. We are
  trying
  to gather (big groups)
  very soon. But the destiny of the people doesn`t
  allow
  us to light the big
  lamp so quickly so that immediately the deep
  darkness
  simply disappears. It
  is the fate of the people. Fate of the people. But
  still I am hopeful. I am
  continuing...
 
 Well gee, Maharishi. MAYBE IF YOU DIDN'T STEAL ALL THE
 MONEY THAT'S BEEN DONATED TO YOUR PUNDIT PROJECTS, BIG
 GROUPS COULD HAVE ACTUALLY GOTTEN TOGETHER. I love you
 MMY, but you're a big ass con artist and crook. Let's
 call a spade a spade, okay?

I remain unconvinced of this.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ---Peter wrote:
  
  --- Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Note: forwarded message attached.
  
  The Luck of the World
  
  Global Press Conference,  24.8.05
  
  MAHARISHI: 
  
  We still have hope in a hopeless world. We are trying to gather 
(big groups) 
  very soon. But the destiny of the people doesn`t allow us to 
light the big 
  lamp so quickly so that immediately the deep darkness simply 
disappears. It 
  is the fate of the people. Fate of the people. But still I am 
hopeful. I am 
  continuing...
  
  Well gee, Maharishi. MAYBE IF YOU DIDN'T STEAL 
  ALL THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN DONATED TO YOUR 
  PUNDIT PROJECTS, BIG GROUPS COULD HAVE ACTUALLY 
  GOTTEN TOGETHER.
 
 Funny, but I've never consider the ethical or karmic ramifications 
 of Maharishi's nephews skimming all that money for their own 
 purposes. In Maharishi's universe, where entire nations are 
 subject to instant karma, shouldn't the nephews be burning 
 in hell or something? 
 
 If they're not suffering, can we presume that (1) karma isn't 
instant, 
 or (2) they didn't take the money?
 

And the evidence for this is...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005

2005-09-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
Note: forwarded message attached.
   snip And we are finding our way to create big groups even
so it is not happening
so quickly. But we can attribute it to not lack of our
efforts but lack of
the luck of the world. We have to hide somewhere. So
we hide behind the
logic that it is the lack of luck of the world that it
is not going so fast.
There we take refuge. If it is not going fast we have
a logic, it is the
luck of the world.

   In the excerpt above, can anyone please explain to me what MMY 
is 
   talking about when he says, We have to hide somewhere. So we 
   hide behind the logic...? Sounds crazy to me.
  
  Caught my eye too.  I suspect it's one of his
  quasi-gnomic statements that's open to multiple
  interpretations.  The way I read it, he's saying
  there's an explanation that makes sense (the logic),
  but at the same time, in characterizing it as 
  hiding, he's also suggesting that it's an excuse.
  
  As in: Some of you are mature enough to take
  responsibility for the failure without being crushed,
  and you don't need the excuse; those of you who
  who aren't that mature, here's something you can hide
  behind.
  
   And the whole tone of the 
   message seems like he is protecting the incompetence of those in
   his movement. Or am I missing something?
  
  He's being more explicit about the failure than
  I've seen before, actually, but for whatever
  reason he's not lambasting the teachers for it.
 
 Benevolent of him, since the failure is his.

On the other hand, we includes him.  (In fact, one
might even read it as the royal we, referring to
himself alone.  He frequently uses we to mean
himself.)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting the $50 billion

2005-09-09 Thread Cliff
Let's assume you're correct, although I don't think you are.  

They why do you object to people being free to take a job or not, 
depending on what they're offered?

If not enough is offered, the rebuilding won't happen.  If enough
is offered, it will.  I do not understand your objection at all.
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  It allows people to be employed who won't have ANY job if high 
 minimum-
  wage guidelines are enforced.  This will be particularly helpful in 
 getting
  teenagers or early-20s people who have little skills back to at 
 least some
  useful work.
  
 
 No teenagers or low-skill workers are going to be involved in 
 rebuilding a disaster-area. You need your very best to handle the 
 demands. I mean, they're going to be buildingin a contaminated swamp 
 where living quarters will likely be miles from theworksite. you 
 don't do OJT in emergency conditions.
 
 
  I think it's a great move, and I believe I understand the economics 
 behind
  it.  Is it possible that you oppose it simply because Bush proposed 
 it?  
 
 Is it possible you've missed that this is a disaster relief and 
 rebuilding effort, not a $500 million pork-bridge in Alaska?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Grace of Guru only...Was[Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?]

2005-09-09 Thread hanumanhoffman9
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As wonderful as that quote used to sound, my gut response now
 is, And would it possibly have been a Guru who wrote that?  Then,
 Was he asking for donations in the next breath?

This feeling of sour stomach is one of the sad results from one such as the 
leader of the 
TMO.
Disbelief in all what Veda has laid down.

 
 Sorry - the universe is too vast for there to be an only means.  And
 the Divine is too compassionate for there to be just one way.

If there is only One Almighty, then it seems there would be only one door to 
enter His 
domain, therefore just one keyhole with which only one key would fit. Who's 
going to give 
you that key?

God is Guru..Guru is God.

Who gets anything other that what they deserve?
Perhaps someday a Divine antacid will come your way.

Hari Om Tat Sat

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Grace of Guru only...Was[Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?]

2005-09-09 Thread Cliff
Sorry, but *One Almighty* neither implies one door, nor His, nor one keyhole, 
nor one key.  

Even though there might be one ocean, there are many different rivers that flow 
into it, 
and an infinite number of places one can enter those many rivers, and a wide 
variety of 
completely acceptable craft to navigate the rivers on the journey.  Your drone 
of *one and 
only* gives me even more pause than the original quote.

Your logic is faulty.  Pretensions to supreme knowledge dressed up in 
profound-sounding 
words only end up being words, in the end.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hanumanhoffman9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  As wonderful as that quote used to sound, my gut response now
  is, And would it possibly have been a Guru who wrote that?  Then,
  Was he asking for donations in the next breath?
 
 This feeling of sour stomach is one of the sad results from one such as the 
 leader of the 
 TMO.
 Disbelief in all what Veda has laid down.
 
  
  Sorry - the universe is too vast for there to be an only means.  And
  the Divine is too compassionate for there to be just one way.
 
 If there is only One Almighty, then it seems there would be only one door to 
 enter His 
 domain, therefore just one keyhole with which only one key would fit. Who's 
 going to 
give 
 you that key?
 
 God is Guru..Guru is God.
 
 Who gets anything other that what they deserve?
 Perhaps someday a Divine antacid will come your way.
 
 Hari Om Tat Sat
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru.




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[FairfieldLife] Hero Wal-Mart

2005-09-09 Thread shempmcgurk
Heard a piece on NPR this afternoon driving home PRAISING Wal-Mart for 
the work they did during the hurricane.  Appears that Wal-Mart has 
such a great distribution system in place that they were able to get 
staples to the people in times and places when the government agencies 
weren't.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hero Wal-Mart

2005-09-09 Thread Cliff
LOL!!   Did they deliver staplers as well?

Sorry, couldn't resist...   :-)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Heard a piece on NPR this afternoon driving home PRAISING Wal-Mart for 
 the work they did during the hurricane.  Appears that Wal-Mart has 
 such a great distribution system in place that they were able to get 
 staples to the people in times and places when the government agencies 
 weren't.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Grace of Guru only...Was[Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?]

2005-09-09 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hanumanhoffman9 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
the universe is too vast for there to be an only means.  And
  the Divine is too compassionate for there to be just one way.
 
 If there is only One Almighty, then it seems there would be only 
one door to enter His 
 domain, therefore just one keyhole with which only one key would 
fit. Who's going to give 
 you that key?
 
 God is Guru..Guru is God.

As You are God, too,
As You are your Guru, too. No real difference.
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'All Television Networks/Will Carry Live Concert, Tonight 8:00pm EDT'

2005-09-09 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
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 Could be a very emotional experience! 
  
 And good harmony, hopefully.




I'll out of my way to miss it.

Maudlin, self-congratulatory, full of superlatives, hyperbole and 
platitudes rhetoric from the politically-correct Hollywood In-Crowd 
is NOT my idea of entertainment.



 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005

2005-09-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
  
  Funny, but I've never consider the ethical or karmic ramifications 
  of Maharishi's nephews skimming all that money for their own 
  purposes. In Maharishi's universe, where entire nations are 
  subject to instant karma, shouldn't the nephews be burning 
  in hell or something? 
  
  If they're not suffering, can we presume that (1) karma isn't 
 instant, or (2) they didn't take the money?
 
 And the evidence for this is...

What is the evidence that MMY's nephews have made off with 
money? I'm not sure what you're asking, Lawson. Sorry.

 - Patrick




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[FairfieldLife] Re: FEMA getting the $50 billion

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Let's assume you're correct, although I don't think you are.  
 
 They why do you object to people being free to take a job or not, 
 depending on what they're offered?
 
 If not enough is offered, the rebuilding won't happen.  If enough
 is offered, it will.  I do not understand your objection at all.
  

Whatever they offer, they will get takers, sot he rebuilding WILL take 
place, regardless. There are questions of quality, timeliness, as well 
as pumping money into the local economy naturally, rather than as 
direct handouts, that arise when you pay lower-than-normal wages for 
this kind of thing.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Global Press Conference: Aug. 24, 2005

2005-09-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
   
   Funny, but I've never consider the ethical or karmic 
ramifications 
   of Maharishi's nephews skimming all that money for their own 
   purposes. In Maharishi's universe, where entire nations are 
   subject to instant karma, shouldn't the nephews be burning 
   in hell or something? 
   
   If they're not suffering, can we presume that (1) karma isn't 
  instant, or (2) they didn't take the money?
  
  And the evidence for this is...
 
 What is the evidence that MMY's nephews have made off with 
 money? I'm not sure what you're asking, Lawson. Sorry.

Yes, what is the evidence that they made off with the money?




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