[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
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  http://tinyurl.com/czjm4
 
 I weep.

When you've been dealing with brainwashed Yes-men
for 40 years, you come to believe you can say
almost anything and promise almost anything and
people will believe it.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Maharishi's Mad Money

2006-01-17 Thread Vaj


On Jan 16, 2006, at 11:02 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2006/01/maharishis-mad-money.html "Even back then a few years ago he was describing the Maharshi as going senile and losing it. And here he is still running the show. They wanted to replace him back then with somebody and I thought by now it would have happened."No, he must be kidding.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Mad Money

2006-01-17 Thread markmeredith2002
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 http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2006/01/maharishis-mad-money.html

Here's my favorite line from that site:

We don't know what they're smoking over in Fairfield, but we want to
get us some. It's got to be radically psychotropic shit to have them
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 1/17/06 3:01:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
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 I 
  weep.When you've been dealing with brainwashed Yes-menfor 40 
  years, you come to believe you can sayalmost anything and promise almost 
  anything andpeople will believe it.

I guess some could weep, but then don't you think M would be a 
great villain in an Austin Powers movie?





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[FairfieldLife] Who will read...? (Was Happy January 12th)

2006-01-17 Thread uns_tressor
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 And who will read the funeral rights over the TMO?

The Independents.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread uns_tressor
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  http://tinyurl.com/czjm4
  
  Bob Brigante
  http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html
 
 
 
 I weep.

Is there scope here for someone to 
end up in prison?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Who will read...? (Was Happy January 12th)

2006-01-17 Thread Vaj


On Jan 17, 2006, at 10:09 AM, uns_tressor wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  And who will read the funeral rights over the TMO?  The Independents. The hog farmers.





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[FairfieldLife] Fun !

2006-01-17 Thread mrsatva
Fun, fun, fun

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
At a time when the nation is highly influenced by 
religiously conservative politicians, I'm surprised 
more people don't take the tack Steven Druker 
does below: ask these people to reconcile their 
policies with their religious beliefs.

For example, I've wondered why the Christians 
among the DC Power Elite don't lead the nation 
in forgiving terrorists for crimes committed in the 
name of Islam. In addition to being truly healing, 
it's a way to claim the moral high ground. Instead, 
we say, Our torture isn't as bad as their torture.

(Matthew 18:21-22, New American Bible: Then Peter  
approaching asked him, 'Lord, if my brother sins against 
me, how often must I forgive him? As many as seven times?' 
Jesus answered, 'I say to you, not seven times but 
seventy-seven times.')

Regardless of rhetorical strategies, Iowa is in an 
interesting place as the world's population rises, 
environmental degradation gets worse and globalization 
makes American farming less competitive. That bucolic 
state in the middle of nowhere is finding itself in the 
middle of some big, important discussions about how 
we will live.


http://tinyurl.com/c8d9y

 Iowa View: Do hog confinements pollute the spirit?
 By STEVEN DRUKER
 SPECIAL TO THE REGISTER
 January 17, 2006
 
 
 Amid all the controversy about high-density hog confinements, one key 
 point has been largely ignored: that no matter how foul their 
 discharge into our waters or how vile their stench in the nostrils of 
 neighbors, their most severe form of pollution is spiritual.
 
 They blight the soul of any society that supports them because they 
 flagrantly violate fundamental ethical principles, principles that 
 did not spring from the minds of animal-welfare activists but that 
 are firmly embedded within the Bible.
 
 While the Bible proclaims human dominion over animals and recognizes 
 our rights to harness their strength and consume their flesh, these 
 rights are clearly conditioned on treating them kindly. Not only does 
 the Bible forbid causing animals unnecessary pain, it repeatedly 
 instructs us to consider their needs and uphold their welfare.
 
 For instance, Deuteronomy 22:10 prohibits yoking an ox with a donkey. 
 Commentators recognize this rule aims to prevent suffering, because 
 the smaller, weaker donkey will be strained through linkage with the 
 ox. Deuteronomy 25:4 bans another form of unkindness by declaring, 
 You shall not muzzle the ox when he treads out the grain. While the 
 former rule respects the distinct natures of animals, this one 
 protects their natural desires from being unfairly frustrated, even 
 if it would be more cost-effective to do so.
 
 Through these examples, the Bible teaches that besides refraining 
 from unnecessary physical force, we must also avoid subjecting 
 animals to less blatant forms of distress, psychological as well as 
 physical. Moreover, in Exodus 23:5, the Bible imposes a duty to 
 alleviate an animal's suffering when we encounter it, even if we in 
 no way caused the predicament.
 
 Although the Bible also contains rules about animals that pertain 
 specifically to the Jewish people, those that command kindness toward 
 them express universal principles and extend to humankind. By urging 
 the Jews to uphold the laws of the Torah, Jesus endorsed these rules 
 of compassion. There's no indication his disciples ever questioned 
 their validity for gentiles.
 
 From a biblical perspective, hogs crammed into industrial 
 confinements are being unconscionably abused. These creatures are as 
 intelligent and sensitive as dogs, yet they are condemned to 
 incessant misery in conditions that deny their needs and thwart their 
 natures. For instance, the sows are constrained in iron cages so 
 tight they cannot turn around, and can barely move. In their futile 
 struggle to do so, they incur continual stress, and often broken legs 
 and lesions as well.
 
 Overall, the treatment is so cruel that Matthew Scully, former deputy 
 director of presidential speech-writing for George W. Bush, has 
 declared: Devils charged with designing a farm could hardly have 
 made it more severe.
 
 Every legislator and citizen who has condoned these farms should ask 
 him or herself what if the next time officials from the Department of 
 Natural Resources inspected one, Isaiah, Jeremiah and Jesus walked 
 beside them? Even if the state inspectors found no infraction of 
 earthly laws, it's folly to think the heavenly inspectors would be 
 pleased. The harshest protests of environmentalists would seem mild 
 alongside the scathing rebuke that would be hurled at all who have 
 perpetrated or facilitated such an abomination.
 
 High-density hog confinements stink to high heaven - and it's high 
 time those who seek to serve the Lord on Earth woke up and did 
 something about it.
 
 Until Iowa, Illinois and other states that promote this continuous 
 cruelty impose a ban on new confinements and implement a concrete 
 plan 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 At a time when the nation is highly influenced by 
 religiously conservative politicians, I'm surprised 
 more people don't take the tack Steven Druker 
 does below: ask these people to reconcile their 
 policies with their religious beliefs.

When I read the 1st sentence of the editorial, I assumed the
spiritual pollution caused by factory pig operations was a reference
to the destruction of communities, family farms, and other
humanitarian concerns and not a reference to the breaking of archaic
old testament laws.  Addressing humane treatment of animals is good
and appeals to most people (though less than avg in rural areas), but
I'm not so sure that upholding the laws of torah are a big concern
here.  Probably less than 10% of the 142 jews who live in Iowa know
what they are.  Regarding the more numerous fundamentalist christians,
the Old T declares both sodomy and eating shellfish to be
abominations, right in the same paragraph, but for some reason the
fundies still line up for all you can eat night at Red Lobster, so
they're rather selective in what they get upset about, and I don't
think the welfare of pigs is high on their list.

PS:  When Druker says and it's high time those who seek to serve the
Lord on Earth woke up and did something about it, is he referring to
MMY, King Tony, Jesus Christ, or someone else?








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/17/06 11:16 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At a time when the nation is highly influenced by
 religiously conservative politicians, I'm surprised
 more people don't take the tack Steven Druker
 does below: ask these people to reconcile their
 policies with their religious beliefs.
 
 For example, I've wondered why the Christians
 among the DC Power Elite don't lead the nation
 in forgiving terrorists for crimes committed in the
 name of Islam. 

Most Christians are looking forward to watching God rip the guts out of
non-Christians when Judgment Day comes. In other words, they're hiding a lot
of cruel, violent tendencies beneath a thin veneer of sanctity. Hypocrites!




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With

2006-01-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jan 16, 2006, at 3:22 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  Of course, is Buddhism what the Buddha taught?
 
 Which Buddha?


whichever.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it

2006-01-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  As Lawson suggests, you *want* to make people you
  don't like feel bad.  To have that desire and act
  on it is one thing; to pretend it's not the case
  is quite another.  It's dishonest and hypocritical.
 
 Excuse me while I ROTFLMAO!!! This has got to be a Yahoo Groups
 classic. Should be placed in the archives, fer sure. Here's an 
amusing
 collection of altered Usenet headers obtained from a recent Google
 search. 
 
 Key words: IFalt.meditation.transcendentalTHENwillytex
 
 http://tinyurl.com/7olxn
 
 This partial list is not sorted chronologicaly, but you can sort 
them
 by date if you want to. LOL!

How many of these are from judy or myself?

 
 Re: You're totally fucked willytex you asshole
 Re: Brainwashed Willytex
 Re: willytex boy's book
 Re: *BRAIN DEAD WILYTEX*
 Re: lies/damn lies/willytex lies!
 Re: gems from willyTex
 Re: Typical Careless Lie from WillyTex
 Re: willytex's dis-information
 Re: a few turnips short of a load.
 Re: damaged goods..willytex
 Re: Return of the BS of willytex
 Re: Dingbat Zealots-willytex nobrains
 Re: WillyTex's Non-Dualism
 Re: Willytex imposter
 Re: Un-ending Bullshittum Maximus of willyTex
 Re: Eyes Wide Shut/and full of bs-willytex
 Re: WillyTex Rhetorical Failure
 Re: Sir Willytex and Ms Judy's lies
 Re: Willytex Impostor w/o(common sense)
 Re: Willytex is lack of facts
 Re: Who would want to be Willytex
 Re: Willytex's no-mind
 Re: Wandering Mind of Willytex
 Re: Willytex Lies
 Re: Willytex Yagya
 Re: willytex wandering ... 
 Re: Willytex's Creation bs
 Re: Willytex's Ideaology
 Re: Sir Willytex's minds amush
 Re: Can Willytex be held accountable for his deceitfulness?
 Re: Willytex' intelligence?
 Re: willytex- distortions of Truth
 Re: Phantom 'WillyTex' Fabrication
 Re: Willytex deeply confused Mind
 Re: Depraved Willytex
 Re: Willytex and Non-existence
 Re: Willytex's no-mind/no-will
 Re: another sideways implication from willytex
 Re: Willy caught in another lie








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Regarding the more numerous fundamentalist christians,
 the Old T declares both sodomy and eating shellfish to be
 abominations, right in the same paragraph, but for some reason the
 fundies still line up for all you can eat night at Red Lobster, so
 they're rather selective in what they get upset about, and I don't
 think the welfare of pigs is high on their list.


The following is material about an episode of the TV series West Wing 

The West Wing episode entitled The Midterms
Written by: Aaron Sorkin

A talk show host defends calling homosexuality an 'abomination'
by saying
that is what the Bible says in Leviticus 18:22 (That verse, by the
way, reads: 'You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such thing
is an abomination.') This annoys President Bartlet who proceeds to ask
a few pointed questions about just what one should accept from the Bible.

Refreshingly candid exec producer Aaron Sorkin admits he lifted
the diatribe from a much forwarded anonymous email. . . . Sorkin, who
hoped to give credit, says they 'cast a fairly wide net, but we didn't
find the author'.''-


Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law.
I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
homosexuality, for example, I will simply remind him or her that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the
other laws in Leviticus and Exodus and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates
a pleasing odor for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9). The problem is my
neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I
deal with this?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as stated in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for
her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Leviticus 15:19-24). The
problem is, how can I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take
offense.
Leviticus 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that
are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans,
but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?
A friend of mine says that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination (Leviticus 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Leviticus 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if
I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room
here?
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am
confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's
Word is eternal and unchanging

http://www.geocities.com/newz101/westwing.html

The West Wing script from The Midterms-

There's an election day scene that amuses hugely even as it
demonstrates Sorkin's fearless faculty for combining controversial
ideas, dramatic situations and circular-saw-like wit. The scene, a
real showstopper, finds the president stopping in on a White House
gathering of radio talk personalities. As Bartlet struggles though a
speech extolling the gabbers' contributions to the airwaves, Bartlet
is distracted by the sight of a Dr. Laura-like radio psychologist
seated nearby.


BARTLET: It's a good idea to be reminded of the awesome impact,
the awesome impact. I'm sorry. You're Dr. Jenna Jacobs, right?

JACOBS (obviously pleased to be recognized): Yes, sir!

BARTLET: It's good to have you here.

JACOBS: Thank you!

BARTLET: . the awesome impact of the airwaves, and how that
translates into the furthering of our national discussions, but
obviously also how it can . how it can . Forgive me, Dr. Jacobs. Are
you an M.D.?

JACOBS: A Ph.D.

BARTLET: A Ph.D.

JACOBS: Yes, sir.

BARTLET: In psychology?

JACOBS: No, sir.

BARTLET: Theology?

JACOBS: No.

BARTLET: Social work?

JACOBS: I have a Ph.D. in English Literature.

BARTLET: I'm asking 'cause on your show people call in for advice
- and you go by the name Dr. Jacobs on your show - and I didn't know
if maybe your listeners were confused by that and assumed you had
advanced training in psychology, theology or health care.

JACOBS: I don't believe they are confused, no, sir.

BARTLET: I like your show. I like how you call homosexuality an
abomination!

JACOBS: I don't say homosexuality is an abomination, Mr.
President. The Bible does.

BARTLET: Yes it does. Leviticus!

JACOBS: 18:22.


[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy January 12th

2006-01-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  Letter from Mother Divine lady:
  
 snip to 
  A glorious capital is being established there in 
  the center of India to radiate an influence of peace to
  the whole world. Pictures of plans for this new Capital 
  were extremely inspiring and beautiful.
 
 Doesn't this just say it all?  Pictures of plans
 are considered inspiring, while the reality 
 (having to beg for money to pay for being moved
 into a trailer park in Iowa and forgotten) is 
 completely ignored.
  
 Whatever else you can say about Maharishi, he always 
 did have a talent for attracting Class-A suckers and 
 keeping them on the line. One gets the feeling that
 not only do these women believe that something will
 actually be built in India, but that they will get
 to live there sometime later in the incarnation.
 
 On the other hand, I've seen better scams in other
 spiritual traditions. Many of them don't even
 promise their suckers any payback during their own
 lifetimes. They get people to shell out the big
 bucks purely for the promise of an inspiring and
 beautiful capital in Heaven.
 
 As a teacher I admired once said so aptly, It's
 a DOS planet.


Maharishi as Steve Jobs, aka Reality Distortion Field?






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[FairfieldLife] Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms





Today the Des Moines Register is running my opinion piece on the spiritual pollution of high-density hog farms. It is attached and reproduced below. As the editors note in their headline introducing the essay, it is the most damning argument against large hog confinements. Feel free to circulate it broadly. 

The editors apparently timed the publication of this essay to coincide with today's meeting of the Iowa Environmental Protection Commission to consider the state Department of Natural Resources proposal to give the agency more flexibility in evaluating construction-permit applications for new livestock operations.

Steven Druker
___

NOTE: The opinion piece reproduced below is running in the Des Moines Register today (January 17, 2006). It is preceded by the heading with which it is introduced in the online edition of the Opinion Section headline page. http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=OPINION

Columnists - opinion

Iowa View: Do hog confinements pollute the spirit? http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060117/OPINION01/60116008/1035/OPINION 

Even with all the environmental pollution they cause, the most damning argument against large hog confinements is the way we the animals are treated. Ponder this: How would Jesus farm?
.. .. ..
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060117/OPINION01/60116008/1035/OPINION 

Iowa View: Do hog confinements pollute the spirit?
By STEVEN DRUKER
SPECIAL TO THE REGISTER
January 17, 2006
 

Amid all the controversy about high-density hog confinements, one key point has been largely ignored: that no matter how foul their discharge into our waters or how vile their stench in the nostrils of neighbors, their most severe form of pollution is spiritual.

They blight the soul of any society that supports them because they flagrantly violate fundamental ethical principles, principles that did not spring from the minds of animal-welfare activists but that are firmly embedded within the Bible.

While the Bible proclaims human dominion over animals and recognizes our rights to harness their strength and consume their flesh, these rights are clearly conditioned on treating them kindly. Not only does the Bible forbid causing animals unnecessary pain, it repeatedly instructs us to consider their needs and uphold their welfare.

For instance, Deuteronomy 22:10 prohibits yoking an ox with a donkey. Commentators recognize this rule aims to prevent suffering, because the smaller, weaker donkey will be strained through linkage with the ox. Deuteronomy 25:4 bans another form of unkindness by declaring, You shall not muzzle the ox when he treads out the grain. While the former rule respects the distinct natures of animals, this one protects their natural desires from being unfairly frustrated, even if it would be more cost-effective to do so.

Through these examples, the Bible teaches that besides refraining from unnecessary physical force, we must also avoid subjecting animals to less blatant forms of distress, psychological as well as physical. Moreover, in Exodus 23:5, the Bible imposes a duty to alleviate an animal's suffering when we encounter it, even if we in no way caused the predicament.

Although the Bible also contains rules about animals that pertain specifically to the Jewish people, those that command kindness toward them express universal principles and extend to humankind. By urging the Jews to uphold the laws of the Torah, Jesus endorsed these rules of compassion. There's no indication his disciples ever questioned their validity for gentiles.

>From a biblical perspective, hogs crammed into industrial confinements are being unconscionably abused. These creatures are as intelligent and sensitive as dogs, yet they are condemned to incessant misery in conditions that deny their needs and thwart their natures. For instance, the sows are constrained in iron cages so tight they cannot turn around, and can barely move. In their futile struggle to do so, they incur continual stress, and often broken legs and lesions as well.

Overall, the treatment is so cruel that Matthew Scully, former deputy director of presidential speech-writing for George W. Bush, has declared: Devils charged with designing a farm could hardly have made it more severe.

Every legislator and citizen who has condoned these farms should ask him or herself what if the next time officials from the Department of Natural Resources inspected one, Isaiah, Jeremiah and Jesus walked beside them? Even if the state inspectors found no infraction of earthly laws, it's folly to think the heavenly inspectors would be pleased. The harshest protests of environmentalists would seem mild alongside the scathing rebuke that would be hurled at all who have perpetrated or facilitated such an abomination.

High-density hog confinements stink to high hea

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sidhas Welcome barbecue sign

2006-01-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  A friend forwarded a picture of a friendly barbecue joint 
 offering lard based tofu. The sign 
  says, Sidhas Welcome. Can anyone identify the location?
  
  To see it, visit http://tinyurl.com/77jxa
 
 
 No, but I love it!
 
 Here is Mesa we have a rib joint that advertises on the t-shirts it 
 sells: P.E.T.A. endorsed: People who Eat Tasty Animals


There was a web URL called PETA.org, which stood for that. PETA (the 
othere one) won a court battle for the URL.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy January 12th

2006-01-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jan 16, 2006, at 2:56 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Exactly what I have been saying, the carrot and the stick routine.
 
 
  Better to be the carrot than to chase it.
 
 Rather be the carrot, the chaser and the space in between as a non- 
 dual totality :-)


Grok the carrot [juice] dude.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
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Regarding the more numerous fundamentalist christians,
 the Old T declares both sodomy and eating shellfish to be
 abominations, right in the same paragraph, 


Leviticus, chapter 18

   
1: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2: Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD
your God.
3: After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye
not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring
you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.
4: Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk
therein: I am the LORD your God.
5: Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a
man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
6: None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to
uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
7: The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt
thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
8: The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is
thy father's nakedness.
9: The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or
daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad,
even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
10: The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's
daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is
thine own nakedness.
11: The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy
father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
12: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she
is thy father's near kinswoman.
13: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for
she is thy mother's near kinswoman.
14: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou
shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.
15: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she
is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
16: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is
thy brother's nakedness.
17: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter,
neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's
daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen:
it is wickedness.
18: Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to
uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.
19: Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her
nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
20: Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to
defile thyself with her.
21: And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to
Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

23: Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith:
neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it
is confusion.
24: Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these
the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof
upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26: Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall
not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation,
nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27: (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which
were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28: That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it
spued out the nations that were before you.
29: For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the
souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
30: Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one
of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that
ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God. 









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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
   http://tinyurl.com/czjm4
   
   Bob Brigante
   http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html
  
  
  
  I weep.
 
 Is there scope here for someone to 
 end up in prison?
 Uns.


Some wide-eyed innocent kid from California was murdered because 
this organisation didn't want to skewer their Maharishi Effect 
stats...no one went to prison for that...no one will go to prison 
for this, either...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fun !

2006-01-17 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrsatva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Fun, fun, fun
 
 http://www.icq.com/friendship/pages/browse_page_18981.php


Thanks!  

I needed that!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 1/17/06 3:01:08 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I  weep.
 
 When you've been dealing with brainwashed Yes-men
 for 40  years, you come to believe you can say
 almost anything and promise almost  anything and
 people will believe it.
 
 
 
 I guess some could weep, but then don't you think M would be a  
great villain 
 in an Austin Powers movie?


The Yes-Men are the villains...

Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can 
we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually 
regenerate the world?

Eye on the prize, please.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread shempmcgurk
Yesterday evening's The Big Idea with Donny Deutsch sole guest for 
the hour was the rock and roll star Ted Nugent who is well-known for 
his gun advocacy and hunting.

Deutsch, who is obviously anti-hunting yet an admitted meat-eater, 
called hunting cowardly.  He openly distained the film clips of 
hunting that Nugent brought with him.

It seems to me that it is cowardly to eat store-bought meat 
harvested from those horrible cattle-raising farms which, from birth 
to death, are designed to create worthless, useless, miserable, 
tortuous existences for the animals raised there.  The consumer is 
the one who is shielded from all the horror that is/was the animal's 
life that he is eating; the consumer, of which Deutsch is an 
example, is a coward because he can't and won't face the slaughter 
and butchering of the very food he is consuming.  Every thing is 
very convenient for him.

At least with hunting the person who eats the meat has to go out in 
the wild and kill the beast himself, gut it, clean it, and transport 
it home.  At least the animal that is killed in the wild had a life 
in the wild up to the point where it is killed...and the killing is 
swift and clean.

Not that I think hunting is such a great activity but I believe it 
is about 1,000% more humane and decent than the karma attached to 
the meat-eating from farm-raised store-bought animals.  Which, of 
course, are also full of chemicals and hormones...



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Today the Des Moines Register is running my opinion piece on the 
 spiritual pollution of high-density hog farms.  It is attached and 
 reproduced below.  As the editors note in their headline 
introducing 
 the essay, it is the most damning argument against large hog 
 confinements.  Feel free to circulate it broadly. 
 
 The editors apparently timed the publication of this essay to 
 coincide with today's meeting of the Iowa Environmental Protection 
 Commission to consider the state Department of Natural Resources 
 proposal to give the agency more flexibility in evaluating 
 construction-permit applications for new livestock operations.
 
 Steven Druker
 ___
 
 NOTE: The opinion piece reproduced below is running in the Des 
Moines 
 Register today (January 17, 2006).  It is preceded by the heading 
 with which it is introduced in the online edition of the Opinion 
 Section headline page. 
  http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?
category=OPINIONhttp://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?
category=OPINION  
 
 Columnists - opinion
 
 http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20060117/OPINION01/60116008/1035/OPINIONIowa 
 View: Do hog confinements pollute the spirit?
 
 Even with all the environmental pollution they cause, the most 
 damning argument against large hog confinements is the way we the 
 animals are treated. Ponder this: How would Jesus farm?
 Š..   ŠŠŠ..  ..
 http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20060117/OPINION01/60116008/1035/OPINIONhttp://desmoinesregiste
r.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20060117/OPINION01/60116008/1035/OPINION
 Iowa View: Do hog confinements pollute the spirit?
 By STEVEN DRUKER
 SPECIAL TO THE REGISTER
 January 17, 2006
 
 
 Amid all the controversy about high-density hog confinements, one 
key 
 point has been largely ignored: that no matter how foul their 
 discharge into our waters or how vile their stench in the nostrils 
of 
 neighbors, their most severe form of pollution is spiritual.
 
 They blight the soul of any society that supports them because 
they 
 flagrantly violate fundamental ethical principles, principles that 
 did not spring from the minds of animal-welfare activists but that 
 are firmly embedded within the Bible.
 
 While the Bible proclaims human dominion over animals and 
recognizes 
 our rights to harness their strength and consume their flesh, 
these 
 rights are clearly conditioned on treating them kindly. Not only 
does 
 the Bible forbid causing animals unnecessary pain, it repeatedly 
 instructs us to consider their needs and uphold their welfare.
 
 For instance, Deuteronomy 22:10 prohibits yoking an ox with a 
donkey. 
 Commentators recognize this rule aims to prevent suffering, 
because 
 the smaller, weaker donkey will be strained through linkage with 
the 
 ox. Deuteronomy 25:4 bans another form of unkindness by declaring, 
 You shall not muzzle the ox when he treads out the grain. While 
the 
 former rule respects the distinct natures of animals, this one 
 protects their natural desires from being unfairly frustrated, 
even 
 if it would be more cost-effective to do so.
 
 Through these examples, the Bible teaches that besides refraining 
 from unnecessary physical force, we must also avoid subjecting 
 animals to less blatant forms of distress, psychological as well 
as 
 physical. Moreover, in Exodus 23:5, the Bible imposes a duty

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Regarding the more numerous fundamentalist christians,
  the Old T declares both sodomy and eating shellfish to be
  abominations, right in the same paragraph, 
 
 
 Leviticus, chapter 18
 

 1: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
 2: Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the 
LORD
 your God.
 3: After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall 
ye
 not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring
 you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.
 4: Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk
 therein: I am the LORD your God.
 5: Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if 
a
 man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
 6: None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to
 uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
 7: The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, 
shalt
 thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her 
nakedness.
 8: The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is
 thy father's nakedness.
 9: The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or
 daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born 
abroad,
 even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
 10: The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's
 daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs 
is
 thine own nakedness.
 11: The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy
 father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
 12: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: 
she
 is thy father's near kinswoman.
 13: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: 
for
 she is thy mother's near kinswoman.
 14: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, 
thou
 shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.
 15: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: 
she
 is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
 16: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it 
is
 thy brother's nakedness.
 17: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her 
daughter,
 neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's
 daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near 
kinswomen:
 it is wickedness.
 18: Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to
 uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.
 19: Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her
 nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
 20: Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's 
wife, to
 defile thyself with her.
 21: And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to
 Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the 
LORD.
 
 22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is 
abomination.
 
 23: Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself 
therewith:
 neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: 
it
 is confusion.
 24: Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all 
these
 the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
 25: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity 
thereof
 upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
 26: Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall
 not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own 
nation,
 nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
 27: (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, 
which
 were before you, and the land is defiled;)
 28: That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it
 spued out the nations that were before you.
 29: For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the
 souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
 30: Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any 
one
 of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and 
that
 ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.


...yeah, but what does it say about Big Macs?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it

2006-01-17 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote:
 How many of these are from judy or myself?

Mone - most of them were posted by John Manning, Barry Wright, and 
Steve Perino, your pals over on Usenet. 

From: Lawson English 
Subject: Re: Willytex the clown
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental 
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 04:02:01 -0700 
Local: Re: Willytex the clown 
http://tinyurl.com/82w4t

Willy is in my kill-file, just because 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: Mantra as a quasi-morpheme
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, talk.religion.buddhism, 
alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan 
Date: Wed, Jan 11 2006 10:40 pm  
http://tinyurl.com/dotjm 

Willytex is a troll.  If you ignore him, he'll go away. 

  Re: You're totally fucked willytex you asshole
  Re: Brainwashed Willytex
  Re: willytex boy's book
  Re: *BRAIN DEAD WILYTEX*
  Re: lies/damn lies/willytex lies!
  Re: gems from willyTex
  Re: Typical Careless Lie from WillyTex
  Re: willytex's dis-information
  Re: a few turnips short of a load.
  Re: damaged goods..willytex
  Re: Return of the BS of willytex
  Re: Dingbat Zealots-willytex nobrains
  Re: WillyTex's Non-Dualism
  Re: Willytex imposter
  Re: Un-ending Bullshittum Maximus of willyTex
  Re: Eyes Wide Shut/and full of bs-willytex
  Re: WillyTex Rhetorical Failure
  Re: Sir Willytex and Ms Judy's lies
  Re: Willytex Impostor w/o(common sense)
  Re: Willytex is lack of facts
  Re: Who would want to be Willytex
  Re: Willytex's no-mind
  Re: Wandering Mind of Willytex
  Re: Willytex Lies
  Re: Willytex Yagya
  Re: willytex wandering ... 
  Re: Willytex's Creation bs
  Re: Willytex's Ideaology
  Re: Sir Willytex's minds amush
  Re: Can Willytex be held accountable for his deceitfulness?
  Re: Willytex' intelligence?
  Re: willytex- distortions of Truth
  Re: Phantom 'WillyTex' Fabrication
  Re: Willytex deeply confused Mind
  Re: Depraved Willytex
  Re: Willytex and Non-existence
  Re: Willytex's no-mind/no-will
  Re: another sideways implication from willytex
  Re: Willy caught in another lie







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it

2006-01-17 Thread Jason Spock



 Indians are the world's biggest copy-cats. India's greatest Super-hero, Shaktimaan is a combination of Superman and Flash-Gordon. By the way Rick, Do American Presidents pardon their Christmas Turkey.?? When did the practice start.? Bush must have pardoned his Turkey then.??  Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:50:20 -0600Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it Even
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sidhas Welcome barbecue sign

2006-01-17 Thread Alex Stanley
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 There was a web URL called PETA.org, which stood for that. PETA (the 
 othere one) won a court battle for the URL.

The guy who owned peta.org was none other than anti-TMer, Mike
Doughney, owner of http://minet.org/

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 1/17/06 1:55:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I 
  guess some could weep, but then don't you think M would be a great 
  villain  in an Austin Powers movie?The Yes-Men are the 
  villains...Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, 
  Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can 
  spiritually regenerate the world?Eye on the prize, 
  please.

I would like to be able to say it's the "yes men" also, but 
that would be letting M off the hook too easily. He built the organization 
andis supposed to be the Maharishi of administration. He needs to take 
some responsibility for how it turned out and not turn a blind eye to 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it

2006-01-17 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote:
 How many of these are from judy or myself?
 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MMY - Tyrant Crackpot!
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 11 Nov 2005 11:18:10 
http://tinyurl.com/7twmh

Where I come from silence signals agreement.

From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun Jan 15, 2006  9:10 am
Subject: Re: Again India does it
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/85293

As Lawson suggests, you *want* to make people you
don't like feel bad. To have that desire and act
on it is one thing; to pretend it's not the case
is quite another. It's dishonest and hypocritical.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: The Case for the Iraq War
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Wed, Nov 16 2005 1:27 pm
http://tinyurl.com/bzuc4

Oh, yes, it certainly has, in spades, as you know, liar.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Dems skewered on WMD
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Mon, Nov 14 2005 11:23 pm
http://tinyurl.com/dhlow

Give it up, Willytex. Nobody believes your lies. The American people
have wised up. They don't trust Bush, and they don't trust anyone who
supports him. They know he's a liar, they know the people who support
him know he's a liar, and therefore they know those supporters are
also liars.

It's falling apart, Willytex. The wheels are coming off.  Your beloved
president is sinking in the dungheap of his own corruption. It's over
for Bush. He's not just a lame duck, he's a crippled duck. He's going
down the tubes, and you with him unless you smarten up and turn
yourself around.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Subject: Re: MMY - Tyrant Crackpot!
Date: Fri, Nov 11 2005 1:18 pm
http://tinyurl.com/7twmh

Willytex, as the record shows (including this very post) is a truly,
deeply filthy liar. 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Plamegate is crumbling
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2005 8:01 am
http://tinyurl.com/94zmm

There is zero evidence that Saddam tried to buy uranium from Africa,
as you know, liar. 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Welcome to the A.M.T. Message Board
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Thurs, Oct 20 2005 11:17 pm
http://tinyurl.com/aedu8

Note to newbies: Willytex is an exceedingly vicious, chronic,
pathological liar. Nothing he says is to be trusted, including what he
writes in this thread. He posts here under many different names,
including pundits, puntditster, pundit_moderator, and several
others.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bill Burkett is a liar
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Sat, Oct 1 2005 6:49 pm
http://tinyurl.com/72sgm

No, asshole, as you well know, you're the liar here. The documentation
in the archives of this newsgroup is extensive (although not complete;
you've told far too many lies to cover them all). 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: Judy Stein is a liar
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 30 Sep 2005 17:56:52
http://tinyurl.com/d3l42

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it

2006-01-17 Thread Vaj
Do we need to bring this dredged muck over here? Hasn't this already  
suffered enough from the alt.meditation.transcendental diaspora?

On Jan 17, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

 sparaig wrote:
 How many of these are from judy or myself?

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: MMY - Tyrant Crackpot!
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: 11 Nov 2005 11:18:10
 http://tinyurl.com/7twmh

 Where I come from silence signals agreement.

 From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sun Jan 15, 2006  9:10 am
 Subject: Re: Again India does it
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/85293

 As Lawson suggests, you *want* to make people you
 don't like feel bad. To have that desire and act
 on it is one thing; to pretend it's not the case
 is quite another. It's dishonest and hypocritical.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: The Case for the Iraq War
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: Wed, Nov 16 2005 1:27 pm
 http://tinyurl.com/bzuc4

 Oh, yes, it certainly has, in spades, as you know, liar.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Dems skewered on WMD
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: Mon, Nov 14 2005 11:23 pm
 http://tinyurl.com/dhlow

 Give it up, Willytex. Nobody believes your lies. The American people
 have wised up. They don't trust Bush, and they don't trust anyone who
 supports him. They know he's a liar, they know the people who support
 him know he's a liar, and therefore they know those supporters are
 also liars.

 It's falling apart, Willytex. The wheels are coming off.  Your beloved
 president is sinking in the dungheap of his own corruption. It's over
 for Bush. He's not just a lame duck, he's a crippled duck. He's going
 down the tubes, and you with him unless you smarten up and turn
 yourself around.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Subject: Re: MMY - Tyrant Crackpot!
 Date: Fri, Nov 11 2005 1:18 pm
 http://tinyurl.com/7twmh

 Willytex, as the record shows (including this very post) is a truly,
 deeply filthy liar.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Plamegate is crumbling
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2005 8:01 am
 http://tinyurl.com/94zmm

 There is zero evidence that Saddam tried to buy uranium from Africa,
 as you know, liar.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Welcome to the A.M.T. Message Board
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: Thurs, Oct 20 2005 11:17 pm
 http://tinyurl.com/aedu8

 Note to newbies: Willytex is an exceedingly vicious, chronic,
 pathological liar. Nothing he says is to be trusted, including what he
 writes in this thread. He posts here under many different names,
 including pundits, puntditster, pundit_moderator, and several
 others.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Bill Burkett is a liar
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: Sat, Oct 1 2005 6:49 pm
 http://tinyurl.com/72sgm

 No, asshole, as you well know, you're the liar here. The documentation
 in the archives of this newsgroup is extensive (although not complete;
 you've told far too many lies to cover them all).

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Judy Stein is a liar
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: 30 Sep 2005 17:56:52
 http://tinyurl.com/d3l42

 Have I mentioned recently that Willytex is a truly vicious chronic  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/17/06 1:34 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The consumer is 
 the one who is shielded from all the horror that is/was the animal's
 life that he is eating;

Not really. He unwittingly imbibes all the misery and fear that the animal
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it

2006-01-17 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it





on 1/17/06 1:41 PM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 By the way Rick, Do American Presidents pardon their Christmas Turkey.?? When did the practice start.? Bush must have pardoned his Turkey then.??
 
They pardon a particular turkey and then eat another one. I dont know when the practice started.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/17/06 1:22 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 The Yes-Men are the villains...
 
 Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can
 we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually
 regenerate the world?

Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the
yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men,
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 1/17/06 1:22 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  The Yes-Men are the villains...
  
  Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can
  we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually
  regenerate the world?
 
 Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the
 yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men,
 allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone
else.


As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry,
Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't
it odd that no one stayed

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Regarding the more numerous fundamentalist christians,
  the Old T declares both sodomy and eating shellfish to be
  abominations, right in the same paragraph, 
 
 
 Leviticus, chapter 18
 

 1: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
 2: Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the 
LORD
 your God.

I believe sometime in the past all those spake-s and shalt-s 
and thou-s and ye-s, etc have been normal everyday English.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can
 we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually
 regenerate the world?
 
 Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the
 yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men,
 allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone
 else.
 
 
 As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry,
 Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't
 it odd that no one stayed

True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it

2006-01-17 Thread Jason Spock



   Cook it with Butter.?? A pat of Cheese also.??  shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:53:27 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it  How could it be delicious without any fat?Fat is what makes everything taste good..."Pig fat rules!" -- Emiril LaGasse"Alex Stanley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Ostrich is delicious! It's deep red like beef, and I think it even tastes a bit
 like beef. However, it has almost no fat in it, so if it is overcooked, you may as well re-sole your shoes with it. Cook it rare to medium-rare, and it's just fine.  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 1/17/06 11:16 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  At a time when the nation is highly influenced by
  religiously conservative politicians, I'm surprised
  more people don't take the tack Steven Druker
  does below: ask these people to reconcile their
  policies with their religious beliefs.
  
  For example, I've wondered why the Christians
  among the DC Power Elite don't lead the nation
  in forgiving terrorists for crimes committed in the
  name of Islam. 
 
 Most Christians are looking forward to watching God rip the 
 guts out of non-Christians when Judgment Day comes. In other 
 words, they're hiding a lot of cruel, violent tendencies 
 beneath a thin veneer of sanctity. Hypocrites!

Absolutely. If it weren't true, the Left Behind
series of books would not be the huge sellers they
are.  Modern-day (that is to say, so perverted as to 
no longer resemble the teachings of the founder of 
the religion) Christianity is almost as elitist and
bloodthirsty as modern-day (that is, again, perverted
to no longer resemble the teachings of the founder
of the religion) Islam.  The two extremes deserve
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy January 12th

2006-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  As a teacher I admired once said so aptly, It's
  a DOS planet.
 
 Maharishi as Steve Jobs, aka Reality Distortion Field?

Maharishi wouldn't know DOS if it snuck up and bit
him on the ass, much less be able to use it to create
a spiritual metaphor.  No, this was a considerably 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  Leviticus, chapter 18
 
 ...yeah, but what does it say about Big Macs?

They're Ok unless you try to have sex with them.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it

2006-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 sparaig wrote:
  How many of these are from judy or myself?
 
 Mone - most of them were posted by John Manning, Barry Wright, and 
 Steve Perino, your pals over on Usenet. 

Actually, NONE of the following Subject headers were
created by me, if I'm not mistaken.  I have taken 
Willytex to task in the past, but I didn't start
any of these threads or create any of these Subject
lines.  But the person who posted the quote he was
poking fun at did.  Well done comment, IMO...

   Re: You're totally fucked willytex you asshole
   Re: Brainwashed Willytex
   Re: willytex boy's book
   Re: *BRAIN DEAD WILYTEX*
   Re: lies/damn lies/willytex lies!
   Re: gems from willyTex
   Re: Typical Careless Lie from WillyTex
   Re: willytex's dis-information
   Re: a few turnips short of a load.
   Re: damaged goods..willytex
   Re: Return of the BS of willytex
   Re: Dingbat Zealots-willytex nobrains
   Re: WillyTex's Non-Dualism
   Re: Willytex imposter
   Re: Un-ending Bullshittum Maximus of willyTex
   Re: Eyes Wide Shut/and full of bs-willytex
   Re: WillyTex Rhetorical Failure
   Re: Sir Willytex and Ms Judy's lies
   Re: Willytex Impostor w/o(common sense)
   Re: Willytex is lack of facts
   Re: Who would want to be Willytex
   Re: Willytex's no-mind
   Re: Wandering Mind of Willytex
   Re: Willytex Lies
   Re: Willytex Yagya
   Re: willytex wandering ... 
   Re: Willytex's Creation bs
   Re: Willytex's Ideaology
   Re: Sir Willytex's minds amush
   Re: Can Willytex be held accountable for his deceitfulness?
   Re: Willytex' intelligence?
   Re: willytex- distortions of Truth
   Re: Phantom 'WillyTex' Fabrication
   Re: Willytex deeply confused Mind
   Re: Depraved Willytex
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/17/06 4:44 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Absolutely. If it weren't true, the Left Behind
 series of books would not be the huge sellers they
 are.  Modern-day (that is to say, so perverted as to
 no longer resemble the teachings of the founder of
 the religion) Christianity is almost as elitist and
 bloodthirsty as modern-day (that is, again, perverted
 to no longer resemble the teachings of the founder
 of the religion) Islam.  The two extremes deserve
 each other.

It's interesting and ironic that both Bush and the president of Iran believe
that their religion's saviour will come to smite the unbelievers when things
get bad enough, and believing this, they have no qualms about making things
worse.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it

2006-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 sparaig wrote:
  How many of these are from judy or myself?

 Mone - most of them were posted by John Manning, Barry Wright, 
 and Steve Perino, your pals over on Usenet. 

WeeWillyWanker,

As you know, I have taken you to task in the past.  
However, none of the following Subject lines were
created by me, and if you'll check you'll probably
find that I didn't even participate in the threads.
This is primarily a John and Judy and Perino thang.

The way you can tell the difference is that when
I lit into your ass I was usually funny, suggesting
that you said the things you did because you were
over-tired from having sex with underage badgers. :-)


   Re: You're totally fucked willytex you asshole
   Re: Brainwashed Willytex
   Re: willytex boy's book
   Re: *BRAIN DEAD WILYTEX*
   Re: lies/damn lies/willytex lies!
   Re: gems from willyTex
   Re: Typical Careless Lie from WillyTex
   Re: willytex's dis-information
   Re: a few turnips short of a load.
   Re: damaged goods..willytex
   Re: Return of the BS of willytex
   Re: Dingbat Zealots-willytex nobrains
   Re: WillyTex's Non-Dualism
   Re: Willytex imposter
   Re: Un-ending Bullshittum Maximus of willyTex
   Re: Eyes Wide Shut/and full of bs-willytex
   Re: WillyTex Rhetorical Failure
   Re: Sir Willytex and Ms Judy's lies
   Re: Willytex Impostor w/o(common sense)
   Re: Willytex is lack of facts
   Re: Who would want to be Willytex
   Re: Willytex's no-mind
   Re: Wandering Mind of Willytex
   Re: Willytex Lies
   Re: Willytex Yagya
   Re: willytex wandering ... 
   Re: Willytex's Creation bs
   Re: Willytex's Ideaology
   Re: Sir Willytex's minds amush
   Re: Can Willytex be held accountable for his deceitfulness?
   Re: Willytex' intelligence?
   Re: willytex- distortions of Truth
   Re: Phantom 'WillyTex' Fabrication
   Re: Willytex deeply confused Mind
   Re: Depraved Willytex
   Re: Willytex and Non-existence
   Re: Willytex's no-mind/no-will
   Re: another sideways implication from willytex
   Re: Willy caught in another lie







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 1/17/06 4:44 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Absolutely. If it weren't true, the Left Behind
  series of books would not be the huge sellers they
  are.  Modern-day (that is to say, so perverted as to
  no longer resemble the teachings of the founder of
  the religion) Christianity is almost as elitist and
  bloodthirsty as modern-day (that is, again, perverted
  to no longer resemble the teachings of the founder
  of the religion) Islam.  The two extremes deserve
  each other.
 
 It's interesting and ironic that both Bush and the president of Iran believe
 that their religion's saviour will come to smite the unbelievers when things
 get bad enough, and believing this, they have no qualms about making things
 worse.

Lately, I have felt very drawn to the Buddhist concept of compassion.  Just 
reading the 
Dalai Lama's simple words whenever he speaks or gives interviews is such a 
comfort, a 
relief, and just pulls me toward a compassionate approach to life.  It is not 
all boggled up 
with GlobalCountry talk, or hell or judgment days - just simple and kind and 
obvious. 
There is a need for Buddhism now.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 1/17/06 4:02:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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As soon 
  as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry,Domash, 
  Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn'tit odd that 
  no one stayedJohnY 

What else could Haeglen do with his 
reputation?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 1/17/06 4:44 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Absolutely. If it weren't true, the Left Behind
  series of books would not be the huge sellers they
  are.  Modern-day (that is to say, so perverted as to
  no longer resemble the teachings of the founder of
  the religion) Christianity is almost as elitist and
  bloodthirsty as modern-day (that is, again, perverted
  to no longer resemble the teachings of the founder
  of the religion) Islam.  The two extremes deserve
  each other.
 
 It's interesting and ironic that both Bush and the president of 
Iran believe
 that their religion's saviour will come to smite the unbelievers 
when things
 get bad enough, and believing this, they have no qualms about 
making things
 worse.

Well, things for both of them and what they stand for, is coming to a 
close: because nature has a safty factor of turning the destruction 
vibration, in on itself; so inherent in all leaders who are on this 
lower vibration, and are appealing to peoples fears, like Hitler in 
the past, or any leader who plays this role;
Ultimately the force of destruction, comes back on them.

A leader like MLK, for example, or Gandhi, in India, has much more 
staying power, because their message is based on love, which is the 
only thing that +Does+ have staying power...







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread Peter


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 1/17/06 1:55:10 P.M. Central
 Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I  guess some could weep, but then don't you think
 M would be a  
 great  villain 
  in an Austin Powers movie?
 
 
 The Yes-Men are the  villains...
 
 Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, 
 Maharishi, can 
 we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can
  spiritually 
 regenerate the world?
 
 Eye on the prize,  please.
 
 
 
 I would like to be able to say it's the yes men
 also, but  that would be 
 letting M off the hook too easily. He built the
 organization  and is supposed to 
 be the Maharishi of administration. He needs to take
  some responsibility for 
 how it turned out and not turn a blind eye to  it.

I think one problem is that the TB's believe that MMY
is knowledgable in all things. As if every utterance
he makes is spoken out of the mouth of god. I'm also
sure plenty of people around him doubt, to some
extent, his planning, but instead of being authentic,
which is their dharma, they stifle the very natural
impulse to mention to MMY the impossibility of his
schemes in the Western world. But, then again, MMY has
created this environment of artificiality and
mood-making around him. Quite the shame. Do they even
have a business plan for this bond-scam? It's
ridiculous and will work as well as the pundit groups,
world peace palaces and all the other ridiculous
business plansnada...



 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Robert Gimbel wrote:

 A leader like MLK, for example, or Gandhi, in India, has much more 
 staying power, because their message is based on love, which is the 
 only thing that +Does+ have staying power...

I agree that love lasts, but I don't see other non-violent 
political movements anywhere in the world.

There's an argument that non-violence only works
against civilized opponents. Maybe that's the problem.

Hey, maybe it'll take sit-ins to keep factory farming out 
of Iowa. Wouldn't that catch the public eye! Middle-
aged and elderly Iowans, women, most likely, parking 
their ample bottoms on the grounds before the bulldozers.
The news would show them being hauled away by sheriffs. 
It could happen.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Peter
Go Steve! What a great Op-Ed piece. Absolutely
brilliant using the Bible to ground a moral argument.
Love to see what a Fundie can say in response. 


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  Today the Des Moines Register is running my
 opinion piece on the 
  spiritual pollution of high-density hog farms.  It
 is attached and 
  reproduced below.  As the editors note in their
 headline 
 introducing 
  the essay, it is the most damning argument
 against large hog 
  confinements.  Feel free to circulate it broadly.
 
  
  The editors apparently timed the publication of
 this essay to 
  coincide with today's meeting of the Iowa
 Environmental Protection 
  Commission to consider the state Department of
 Natural Resources 
  proposal to give the agency more flexibility in
 evaluating 
  construction-permit applications for new livestock
 operations.
  
  Steven Druker
  ___
  
  NOTE: The opinion piece reproduced below is
 running in the Des 
 Moines 
  Register today (January 17, 2006).  It is preceded
 by the heading 
  with which it is introduced in the online edition
 of the Opinion 
  Section headline page. 
  
 http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?

category=OPINIONhttp://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?
 category=OPINION  
  
  Columnists - opinion
  
 
 http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
 AID=/20060117/OPINION01/60116008/1035/OPINIONIowa 
  View: Do hog confinements pollute the spirit?
  
  Even with all the environmental pollution they
 cause, the most 
  damning argument against large hog confinements is
 the way we the 
  animals are treated. Ponder this: How would Jesus
 farm?
  �..   ���..  ����..
 
 http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?

AID=/20060117/OPINION01/60116008/1035/OPINIONhttp://desmoinesregiste
 r.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
 AID=/20060117/OPINION01/60116008/1035/OPINION
  Iowa View: Do hog confinements pollute the spirit?
  By STEVEN DRUKER
  SPECIAL TO THE REGISTER
  January 17, 2006
  
  
  Amid all the controversy about high-density hog
 confinements, one 
 key 
  point has been largely ignored: that no matter how
 foul their 
  discharge into our waters or how vile their stench
 in the nostrils 
 of 
  neighbors, their most severe form of pollution is
 spiritual.
  
  They blight the soul of any society that supports
 them because 
 they 
  flagrantly violate fundamental ethical principles,
 principles that 
  did not spring from the minds of animal-welfare
 activists but that 
  are firmly embedded within the Bible.
  
  While the Bible proclaims human dominion over
 animals and 
 recognizes 
  our rights to harness their strength and consume
 their flesh, 
 these 
  rights are clearly conditioned on treating them
 kindly. Not only 
 does 
  the Bible forbid causing animals unnecessary pain,
 it repeatedly 
  instructs us to consider their needs and uphold
 their welfare.
  
  For instance, Deuteronomy 22:10 prohibits yoking
 an ox with a 
 donkey. 
  Commentators recognize this rule aims to prevent
 suffering, 
 because 
  the smaller, weaker donkey will be strained
 through linkage with 
 the 
  ox. Deuteronomy 25:4 bans another form of
 unkindness by declaring, 
  You shall not muzzle the ox when he treads out
 the grain. While 
 the 
  former rule respects the distinct natures of
 animals, this one 
  protects their natural desires from being unfairly
 frustrated, 
 even 
  if it would be more cost-effective to do so.
  
  Through these examples, the Bible teaches that
 besides refraining 
  from unnecessary physical force, we must also
 avoid subjecting 
  animals to less blatant forms of distress,
 psychological as well 
 as 
  physical. Moreover, in Exodus 23:5, the Bible
 imposes a duty to 
  alleviate an animal's suffering when we encounter
 it, even if we 
 in 
  no way caused the predicament.
  
  Although the Bible also contains rules about
 animals that pertain 
  specifically to the Jewish people, those that
 command kindness 
 toward 
  them express universal principles and extend to
 humankind. By 
 urging 
  the Jews to uphold the laws of the Torah, Jesus
 endorsed these 
 rules 
  of compassion. There's no indication his disciples
 ever questioned 
  their validity for gentiles.
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/17/06 7:45 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hey, maybe it'll take sit-ins to keep factory farming out
 of Iowa. Wouldn't that catch the public eye! Middle-
 aged and elderly Iowans, women, most likely, parking
 their ample bottoms on the grounds before the bulldozers.
 The news would show them being hauled away by sheriffs.
 It could happen.

Maybe, but most of the ones with ample bottoms got that way from eating too
much pork.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can
  we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually
  regenerate the world?
  
  Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just
because the
  yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes
men,
  allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone
  else.
  
  
  As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry,
  Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't
  it odd that no one stayed
 
 True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking.


+++ Doing your own thinking makes you a trouble maker and, will get
you thrown out of a lot of places.  N.






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[FairfieldLife] Historic Weekend at Maharishi University of Management

2006-01-17 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Historic Weekend at Maharishi University of Management





Historic Weekend at Maharishi University of Management

On March 24-26, a special event will take place at Maharishi University of 
Management in Fairfield, Iowa.

Filmmaker David Lynch and Dr. John Hagelin will host a weekend of 
Consciousness, Creativity, and the Brain.

This weekend was inspired by the enormous success of their recent 
appearances at universities on the east and west coasts.



Please see http://lynchweekend.org for full details.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread feste37
I agree with Peter. Druker's article is excellent. It's about time someone said 
this, and he says it very well. It's time these hog farms were exposed for the 
disgusting abuse that they heap upon these gentle animals. A factory farm is 
a concentration camp designed to torture and kill animals. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Go Steve! What a great Op-Ed piece. Absolutely
 brilliant using the Bible to ground a moral argument.
 Love to see what a Fundie can say in response. 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   Today the Des Moines Register is running my
  opinion piece on the 
   spiritual pollution of high-density hog farms.  It
  is attached and 
   reproduced below.  As the editors note in their
  headline 
  introducing 
   the essay, it is the most damning argument
  against large hog 
   confinements.  Feel free to circulate it broadly.
  
   
   The editors apparently timed the publication of
  this essay to 
   coincide with today's meeting of the Iowa
  Environmental Protection 
   Commission to consider the state Department of
  Natural Resources 
   proposal to give the agency more flexibility in
  evaluating 
   construction-permit applications for new livestock
  operations.
   
   Steven Druker
   ___
   
   NOTE: The opinion piece reproduced below is
  running in the Des 
  Moines 
   Register today (January 17, 2006).  It is preceded
  by the heading 
   with which it is introduced in the online edition
  of the Opinion 
   Section headline page. 
   
  http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?
 
 category=OPINIONhttp://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?
  category=OPINION  
   
   Columnists - opinion
   
  
  http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
  AID=/20060117/OPINION01/60116008/1035/OPINIONIowa 
   View: Do hog confinements pollute the spirit?
   
   Even with all the environmental pollution they
  cause, the most 
   damning argument against large hog confinements is
  the way we the 
   animals are treated. Ponder this: How would Jesus
  farm?
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   Iowa View: Do hog confinements pollute the spirit?
   By STEVEN DRUKER
   SPECIAL TO THE REGISTER
   January 17, 2006
   
   
   Amid all the controversy about high-density hog
  confinements, one 
  key 
   point has been largely ignored: that no matter how
  foul their 
   discharge into our waters or how vile their stench
  in the nostrils 
  of 
   neighbors, their most severe form of pollution is
  spiritual.
   
   They blight the soul of any society that supports
  them because 
  they 
   flagrantly violate fundamental ethical principles,
  principles that 
   did not spring from the minds of animal-welfare
  activists but that 
   are firmly embedded within the Bible.
   
   While the Bible proclaims human dominion over
  animals and 
  recognizes 
   our rights to harness their strength and consume
  their flesh, 
  these 
   rights are clearly conditioned on treating them
  kindly. Not only 
  does 
   the Bible forbid causing animals unnecessary pain,
  it repeatedly 
   instructs us to consider their needs and uphold
  their welfare.
   
   For instance, Deuteronomy 22:10 prohibits yoking
  an ox with a 
  donkey. 
   Commentators recognize this rule aims to prevent
  suffering, 
  because 
   the smaller, weaker donkey will be strained
  through linkage with 
  the 
   ox. Deuteronomy 25:4 bans another form of
  unkindness by declaring, 
   You shall not muzzle the ox when he treads out
  the grain. While 
  the 
   former rule respects the distinct natures of
  animals, this one 
   protects their natural desires from being unfairly
  frustrated, 
  even 
   if it would be more cost-effective to do so.
   
   Through these examples, the Bible teaches that
  besides refraining 
   from unnecessary physical force, we must also
  avoid subjecting 
   animals to less blatant forms of distress,
  psychological as well 
  as 
   physical. Moreover, in Exodus 23:5, the Bible
  imposes a duty to 
   alleviate an animal's suffering when we encounter
  it, even if we 
  in 
   no way caused the predicament.
   
   Although the Bible also contains rules about
  animals that pertain 
   specifically to the Jewish people, those that
  command kindness 
  toward 
   them express universal principles and extend to
  humankind. By 
  urging 
   the Jews to uphold the laws of the Torah, Jesus
  endorsed these 
  rules 
   of compassion. There's no indication his disciples
  ever questioned 
   their validity for gentiles.
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 17, 2006, at 7:49 PM, Peter wrote:

Go Steve! What a great Op-Ed piece. Absolutely
 brilliant using the Bible to ground a moral argument.
 Love to see what a Fundie can say in response. 


Oink?


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread Sal Sunshine
But you gotta admit it's entertaining.  What would we have to talk about if they suddenly caught an epidemic of common sense?  

Sal


On Jan 17, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Peter wrote:

 I think one problem is that the TB's believe that MMY
 is knowledgable in all things. As if every utterance
 he makes is spoken out of the mouth of god. I'm also
 sure plenty of people around him doubt, to some
 extent, his planning, but instead of being authentic,
 which is their dharma, they stifle the very natural
 impulse to mention to MMY the impossibility of his
 schemes in the Western world. But, then again, MMY has
 created this environment of artificiality and
 mood-making around him. Quite the shame. Do they even
 have a business plan for this bond-scam? It's
 ridiculous and will work as well as the pundit groups,
 world peace palaces and all the other ridiculous
 business plansnada...

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 1/17/06 4:02:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 As soon  as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry,
 Domash,  Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't
 it odd that  no one stayed
 
 JohnY  
 
 
 
 What else could Haeglen do with his  reputation?

I tried to express this a few hundred messages upstream. It's always
bothered me that these folks and many others eventually left. It's as
if the vision did not hold as they saw it more clearly... That's been
my experience, but it's been the middle tier of the org that drove me
 out. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread mainstream20016
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can
  we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually
  regenerate the world?
  
  Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the
  yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men,
  allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone
  else.
  
  
  As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry,
  Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't
  it odd that no one stayed
 
 True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking.


mainstream20016 writes:
  Despite the consistent disappointments delivered to TMers via the TMO 
(MMY), I think
that MMY and his organization have accomplished a great deal in their 50 year 
history. 
 Many, many thousands of persons have contributed to the achievements, from TM 
teachers, TMO institution staff,  and regular CPs who chose to spend their time 
and 
resources on TMO courses rather than on some secular activity that would not 
have 
accrued benefit to the TMO.- Overall, a collective effort of tremendous 
aggregate value 
has been placed into the TMO. 
   Many talented  individuals who contributed much to MMY and the TMO have 
found 
they're not needed any longer by MMY and the TMO, much like any other 
organization that 
experiences defections when the individual's needs don't match the 
organization's needs 
for full commitment to the organization's direction.
  FFLife displays a stream of criticism directed against MMY and the TMO. I 
reflect on 
the criticism, and often concur that I, too, might do things differently than 
MMY and the 
TMO have decided.  Yet, I reserve overt verbal judgement against MMY and the 
TMO as I 
ponder whether I really would do differently were I in their shoes.  I think 
about the ways 
of the world, about MMYs legendary negotiating moves, etc. yet appreciate his 
dogged 
insistence to achieve the better result to advance his organization's 
interests.  
Of course, it would be wonderful if MMY and the TMO were beyond 
reproach by any 
measure.   The world is a huge system that demands proof of the validity of any 
idea or 
proposal before embracing the idea or proposal. MMY and the TMO are constantly 
having 
to validate their ideas and proposals to a highly skeptical world.   I find 
scant evidence of 
others' efforts doing anywhere nearly as well as MMY and the TMO in trying to 
do the 
greatest good possible with what they have had to offer.
   So go ahead, continue with critique of every possible aspect of MMY and 
the TMO.
Oh, and by the way, would you mind contrasting their foibles by occasionally 
providing  
evidence of your own outstanding accomplishments in providing what you have to 
offer 
the world for the greatest good possible ?
  

 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Historic Weekend at Maharishi University of Management

2006-01-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Historic Weekend at Maharishi University of Management
 
 On March 24-26, a special event will take place at Maharishi
University of
 Management in Fairfield, Iowa.
 
 Filmmaker David Lynch and Dr. John Hagelin will host a weekend of
 Consciousness, Creativity, and the Brain.
 
 This weekend was inspired by the enormous success of their recent
 appearances at universities on the east and west coasts.
 
 
 
 Please see http://lynchweekend.org for full details.

What enormous success was that? The fact that they needed a
philanthopic foundation to meet the financial requirement to simply
learn TM?  Ya, that's enormous...

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can
   we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually
   regenerate the world?
   
   Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just
because the
   yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the
yes men,
   allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone
   else.
   
   
   As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry,
   Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried.
Isn't
   it odd that no one stayed
  
  True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking.
 
 
 mainstream20016 writes:
   Despite the consistent disappointments delivered to TMers via
the TMO (MMY), I think
 that MMY and his organization have accomplished a great deal in
their 50 year history. 
  Many, many thousands of persons have contributed to the
achievements, from TM 
 teachers, TMO institution staff,  and regular CPs who chose to spend
their time and 
 resources on TMO courses rather than on some secular activity that
would not have 
 accrued benefit to the TMO.- Overall, a collective effort of
tremendous aggregate value 
 has been placed into the TMO. 
Many talented  individuals who contributed much to MMY and
the TMO have found 
 they're not needed any longer by MMY and the TMO, much like any
other organization that 
 experiences defections when the individual's needs don't match the
organization's needs 
 for full commitment to the organization's direction.
   FFLife displays a stream of criticism directed against MMY and
the TMO. I reflect on 
 the criticism, and often concur that I, too, might do things
differently than MMY and the 
 TMO have decided.  Yet, I reserve overt verbal judgement against MMY
and the TMO as I 
 ponder whether I really would do differently were I in their shoes.
 I think about the ways 
 of the world, about MMYs legendary negotiating moves, etc. yet
appreciate his dogged 
 insistence to achieve the better result to advance his
organization's interests.  
 Of course, it would be wonderful if MMY and the TMO were
beyond reproach by any 
 measure.   The world is a huge system that demands proof of the
validity of any idea or 
 proposal before embracing the idea or proposal. MMY and the TMO are
constantly having 
 to validate their ideas and proposals to a highly skeptical world. 
 I find scant evidence of 
 others' efforts doing anywhere nearly as well as MMY and the TMO in
trying to do the 
 greatest good possible with what they have had to offer.
So go ahead, continue with critique of every possible aspect
of MMY and the TMO.
 Oh, and by the way, would you mind contrasting their foibles by
occasionally providing  
 evidence of your own outstanding accomplishments in providing what
you have to offer 
 the world for the greatest good possible ?

You're exactly right about the tremendous accomplishment and the
change in collective consciousness brought about by the TMO at it's
best. The contributions of 100's of thousands working to bring simple
consciousness closer to the surface. It's just not available now. 
That's the point. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 1/17/06 10:53:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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The 
  contributions of 100's of thousands working to bring simpleconsciousness 
  closer to the surface. It's just not available now. That's the point. 
  

Bingo, M and the TMO have run them 
off!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey,
Maharishi, can
we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually
regenerate the world?

Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just
 because the
yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the
 yes men,
allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished
everyone
else.


As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie,
Jerry,
Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried.
 Isn't
it odd that no one stayed
   
   True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking.
  
  
  mainstream20016 writes:
Despite the consistent disappointments delivered to TMers via
 the TMO (MMY), I think
  that MMY and his organization have accomplished a great deal in
 their 50 year history. 
   Many, many thousands of persons have contributed to the
 achievements, from TM 
  teachers, TMO institution staff,  and regular CPs who chose to spend
 their time and 
  resources on TMO courses rather than on some secular activity that
 would not have 
  accrued benefit to the TMO.- Overall, a collective effort of
 tremendous aggregate value 
  has been placed into the TMO. 
 Many talented  individuals who contributed much to MMY and
 the TMO have found 
  they're not needed any longer by MMY and the TMO, much like any
 other organization that 
  experiences defections when the individual's needs don't match the
 organization's needs 
  for full commitment to the organization's direction.
FFLife displays a stream of criticism directed against MMY and
 the TMO. I reflect on 
  the criticism, and often concur that I, too, might do things
 differently than MMY and the 
  TMO have decided.  Yet, I reserve overt verbal judgement against MMY
 and the TMO as I 
  ponder whether I really would do differently were I in their shoes.
  I think about the ways 
  of the world, about MMYs legendary negotiating moves, etc. yet
 appreciate his dogged 
  insistence to achieve the better result to advance his
 organization's interests.  
  Of course, it would be wonderful if MMY and the TMO were
 beyond reproach by any 
  measure.   The world is a huge system that demands proof of the
 validity of any idea or 
  proposal before embracing the idea or proposal. MMY and the TMO are
 constantly having 
  to validate their ideas and proposals to a highly skeptical world. 
  I find scant evidence of 
  others' efforts doing anywhere nearly as well as MMY and the TMO in
 trying to do the 
  greatest good possible with what they have had to offer.
 So go ahead, continue with critique of every possible aspect
 of MMY and the TMO.
  Oh, and by the way, would you mind contrasting their foibles by
 occasionally providing  
  evidence of your own outstanding accomplishments in providing what
 you have to offer 
  the world for the greatest good possible ?
 
 You're exactly right about the tremendous accomplishment and the
 change in collective consciousness brought about by the TMO at it's
 best. The contributions of 100's of thousands working to bring simple
 consciousness closer to the surface. It's just not available now. 
 That's the point. 
 
 JohnY

Far more than foibles, it's the corruption of a vision that was the
driving force in many, many lives.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/17/06 10:42 PM, mainstream20016 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 mainstream20016 writes:
   Despite the consistent disappointments delivered to TMers via the TMO
 (MMY), I think
 that MMY and his organization have accomplished a great deal in their 50 year
 history. 
  Many, many thousands of persons have contributed to the achievements, from TM
 teachers, TMO institution staff,  and regular CPs who chose to spend their
 time and 
 resources on TMO courses rather than on some secular activity that would not
 have 
 accrued benefit to the TMO.- Overall, a collective effort of tremendous
 aggregate value 
 has been placed into the TMO.

Snip.

No one is saying they could have filled Maharishi's sandals. And no one is
saying that the TM hasn't benefited them and the world. I don't claim to be
qualified to be President of the United States. But that doesn't mean I'm
not qualified to criticize the President. Maharishi did many things while
presenting himself to the public as someone who didn't or wouldn't do those
things, apparently thinking he was getting away with it because his ruse was
working. But he didn't get away with it, because such behavior took a toll
on his psychology and personality, which is now painfully evident to all but
the most ardent true believer.




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[FairfieldLife] 32 marks of the Buddha

2006-01-17 Thread tanhlnx
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], tanhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

from Wikipedia. (how does MMY compare?)

32 Marks of the Buddha

1. He places his foot evenly on the floor
2. The soles of his feet are imprinted with wheels
3. He has projecting heels
4. He has long fingers and toes
5. He has soft and tender hands and feet
6. He has webbed hands and feet
7. He has arched feet
8. He has legs like an antelope
9. When he stands upright his hands reach down to his knees
10. His male organ is covered with a sheath
11. His complexion has a golden sheen
12. His skin is so smooth that no dust clings to it
13. Each hair on his skin grows from a single pore
14. The hair on his skin is blue-black, curly and turns at the end to
the right
15. His limbs are straight like those of a god
16. There are seven convex surfaces on his body - four behind his
limbs, two behind his shoulders and one behind his trunk
17. His torso is like that of a lion
18. The furrow between his shoulders is absent
19. His body is perfectly proportioned - the span of his arms is the
same as his height
20. His neck and shoulders are evenly proportioned
21. His taste is exceptionally sensitive
22. His jaws are like those of a lion's
23. He has forty teeth
24. His teeth are even
25. There are no gaps in his teeth
26. His teeth are white and shining
27. He has a long tongue
28. He has a divine voice
29. He has deep blue eyes
30. He has eyelashes like those of an ox
31. He has soft white hair growing between his eyebrows
32. His head is shaped like a turban the two, are excellently smooth
[edit]

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[FairfieldLife] Dalai Lama photo gallery

2006-01-17 Thread tanhlnx
--- 
I thought did quite well on the Barbara Walter's interview. He was so
disarmingly compassionate that Barbara insisted on kissing him. 

http://www.dalailama.com/page.41.htm

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 32 marks of the Buddha

2006-01-17 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tanhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], tanhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 from Wikipedia. (how does MMY compare?)
 
 32 Marks of the Buddha

ROTFLMAO!


 
 1. He places his foot evenly on the floor
 2. The soles of his feet are imprinted with wheels
 3. He has projecting heels
 4. He has long fingers and toes
 5. He has soft and tender hands and feet
 6. He has webbed hands and feet
 7. He has arched feet
 8. He has legs like an antelope
 9. When he stands upright his hands reach down to his knees
 10. His male organ is covered with a sheath
 11. His complexion has a golden sheen
 12. His skin is so smooth that no dust clings to it
 13. Each hair on his skin grows from a single pore
 14. The hair on his skin is blue-black, curly and turns at the end 
to
 the right
 15. His limbs are straight like those of a god
 16. There are seven convex surfaces on his body - four behind his
 limbs, two behind his shoulders and one behind his trunk
 17. His torso is like that of a lion
 18. The furrow between his shoulders is absent
 19. His body is perfectly proportioned - the span of his arms is the
 same as his height
 20. His neck and shoulders are evenly proportioned
 21. His taste is exceptionally sensitive
 22. His jaws are like those of a lion's
 23. He has forty teeth
 24. His teeth are even
 25. There are no gaps in his teeth
 26. His teeth are white and shining
 27. He has a long tongue
 28. He has a divine voice
 29. He has deep blue eyes
 30. He has eyelashes like those of an ox
 31. He has soft white hair growing between his eyebrows
 32. His head is shaped like a turban the two, are excellently smooth
 [edit]
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-17 Thread jyouells2000
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016
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   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey,
 Maharishi, can
 we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can
spiritually
 regenerate the world?
 
 Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just
  because the
 yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the
  yes men,
 allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished
 everyone
 else.
 
 
 As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie,
 Jerry,
 Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried.
  Isn't
 it odd that no one stayed

True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking.
   
   
   mainstream20016 writes:
 Despite the consistent disappointments delivered to TMers via
  the TMO (MMY), I think
   that MMY and his organization have accomplished a great deal in
  their 50 year history. 
Many, many thousands of persons have contributed to the
  achievements, from TM 
   teachers, TMO institution staff,  and regular CPs who chose to spend
  their time and 
   resources on TMO courses rather than on some secular activity that
  would not have 
   accrued benefit to the TMO.- Overall, a collective effort of
  tremendous aggregate value 
   has been placed into the TMO. 
  Many talented  individuals who contributed much to MMY and
  the TMO have found 
   they're not needed any longer by MMY and the TMO, much like any
  other organization that 
   experiences defections when the individual's needs don't match the
  organization's needs 
   for full commitment to the organization's direction.
 FFLife displays a stream of criticism directed against MMY and
  the TMO. I reflect on 
   the criticism, and often concur that I, too, might do things
  differently than MMY and the 
   TMO have decided.  Yet, I reserve overt verbal judgement against MMY
  and the TMO as I 
   ponder whether I really would do differently were I in their shoes.
   I think about the ways 
   of the world, about MMYs legendary negotiating moves, etc. yet
  appreciate his dogged 
   insistence to achieve the better result to advance his
  organization's interests.  
   Of course, it would be wonderful if MMY and the TMO were
  beyond reproach by any 
   measure.   The world is a huge system that demands proof of the
  validity of any idea or 
   proposal before embracing the idea or proposal. MMY and the TMO are
  constantly having 
   to validate their ideas and proposals to a highly skeptical world. 
   I find scant evidence of 
   others' efforts doing anywhere nearly as well as MMY and the TMO in
  trying to do the 
   greatest good possible with what they have had to offer.
  So go ahead, continue with critique of every possible aspect
  of MMY and the TMO.
   Oh, and by the way, would you mind contrasting their foibles by
  occasionally providing  
   evidence of your own outstanding accomplishments in providing what
  you have to offer 
   the world for the greatest good possible ?
  
  You're exactly right about the tremendous accomplishment and the
  change in collective consciousness brought about by the TMO at it's
  best. The contributions of 100's of thousands working to bring simple
  consciousness closer to the surface. It's just not available now. 
  That's the point. 
  
  JohnY
 
 Far more than foibles, it's the corruption of a vision that was the
 driving force in many, many lives.
 
 JohnY


I have initiated quite a few people, when it was difficult to do so.
Sent many to the siddhis, a dozen to TTC, taught SCI, done radio and
TV for TM and ran a TM center for quite a few years, many of those out
of my own pocket when everyone else flew the coup. My accomplishments
as far as the TMO are concerned speak for themselves. And I post in my
own name 

JohnY






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 On Jan 17, 2006, at 7:49 PM, Peter wrote:
 
  Go Steve! What a great Op-Ed piece. Absolutely
   brilliant using the Bible to ground a moral argument.
   Love to see what a Fundie can say in response.
 
 
 Oink?


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