[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] The chakras and Aum mentioned in the Bible...
Hello ! i read this message (from mdixon dt.Wed Jan 24, 2007 ) wherein it was stated that aum is mentioned in Bible: Revelation 1:10 I was in the spirit (meditation) on the Lords day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet. Aummm... an I browsed through a couple of Bibles online but couldn't get a confirmation on this i.e there is no specific reference to aum. i wuld be grateful if someone culd provide me some reference Bible ON THE NET where the specific reference to aum is contained. the bible i referred to was at this link: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev001.html thanks rama krishna - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Iran Again Speaks of Madness'
(Snip) where as Ahmadinejad says with all confidence that Israel and the US will cease to exist within what, two years? On what basis? Is he involved in some plan for them to cease to exist or has Allah personally told him that they will cease to exist? There is no comparison of the two and their statements. They're precisely parallel, MDixon. The thing is, there is apparently a brand of Islam, which Ahmadinejad, is a part of; Who believes in the return of their 'savior'; same as like when the fundies say, that Jesus returns at the end of the world- the so-called apocolypse... Well anyway, Ahmadinejad, feels his part in history is to literally ceate chaos in the world, as the story goes... that the great prophet can only return amidst chaos. So, whether he is prophetic or not is irrelevant, because he is obviously on a dark journey. But, whether we understand his intentions to create chaos in the world, and how to counter that mentality: which is also the mentality of evil, in this world. So, all in all, this dark force will hopefully be subdued, by the light, and the rising consciousness, here in the United States, and around the world. To me it appears that Bush is building up to a confrontation with Iran, by this September... Stay tuned. R.g.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris replies to Andrew Sullivan
http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3 Important to read the earlier part of the exchange to get a proper perspective on Harris's response. He's just as much of a fanatic as the fundamentalists he rants about. Sullivan made excellent points that Harris doesn't know how to respond to, and it's sent him into a frustrated rage. Kinda like Jim Flanegin lately, only coherent. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris replies to Andrew Sullivan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3 Important to read the earlier part of the exchange to get a proper perspective on Harris's response. He's just as much of a fanatic as the fundamentalists he rants about. Sullivan made excellent points that Harris doesn't know how to respond to, and it's sent him into a frustrated rage. Kinda like Jim Flanegin lately, only coherent. :-) That quip aside, I just thought I'd mention that Andrew Sullivan's short response to Harris' rant (and yes, that's what it is) kinda nails the issue as far as I'm concerned: Give me today to address his many good (and bad) points. But something strikes me reading the many emails you have sent. They fall into two categories: one batch lamenting his contradictions, intolerance and dogmatism; the other insisting that he has cleaned my clock in the argument. There are few emails taking a middle position, which suggests we are talking past each other. I'm going to try and amend that in my next post. It may be, however, that the very nature of the subject renders consensus or even clarity impossible. Those with faith and those without it actually read the dialogue differently. I think we can do better than that - and I hope to clarify more in my next installment. The middle-way readers have it right, IMO. What is going on is two people -- who see the world completely differently, wearing two completely different states of attention, each bringing to the table completely different sets of assumptions -- trying to have a discussion and failing miserably. *Both*, IMO, are so attached to their assumptions that they cannot possibly challenge them. Instead, they argue for the assumptions' correctness, using the most persuasive arguments they can come up with, trying to win, to convince the other of their position's correctness. And they're both surprised and confounded when the other person is *not* persuaded by these arguments, which seem to them self-evident, beyond refute. I think it's a situation we're familiar with here on Fairfield Life. :-) People get into arguments about stuff they cannot possibly know the truth of, only what they tend to believe about it. And because we're dealing with matters of faith or the lack thereof, each of the parties in one of these debates brings certain assumptions to the debate table, in the form of the arguments they use, but more import- antly in the form of their current state of attention. That state of attention, and the assumptions about life that one *has* to make about life when wearing that state of attention (because that is the very nature of that state of attention) color everything that the person sees -- in their own arguments and in the other person's. Their state of attention acts as a filter, a way of parsing the words that they speak and that the other person speaks. And the result is often *just* like the exchange so far between Harris and Sullivan -- two people talking *past* each other, each blabbering on and on, thinking they're winning the argument but both losing badly, because at the end of the exchange both are in exactly the same state of attention they started in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spiritually hot , in Fairfield
An evening with Janet Sussman Thursday 25th Fairfield Public Library 7:30 Lecture/discussion along with Doug Mackey and Lilli Botchis http://www.timeportalpubs.com/about.htm An Evening with Saniel Bonder Weds. 7:30 at Revelations Bookstore www.wakingdown.org --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Vasant Panchami, Saraswati Day will be celebrated in Fairfield on Monday, January 22 at Morning Star Studio. The celebration with Pt. Sharma will begin at 7:30 pm. You are welcome to bring articles of your profession, musical instruments, student books, etc. for blessing. Please bring fruit and flowers for offering.
[FairfieldLife] 'Surge Lacks Voltage'
Like the President's speach, there is no 'electricity' in this surge. By the amount of chaos, and torture, the Iraqis are going through... It will take a lot more of some kind of voltage, to subdue this situation. To me it all seems like more of the same, And a prelude to a confrontation with Iran. Oh well, there's always the .Maharishi Effect'. Hope it can pull us through. Save us, Maharishi! Can we influence the sun, I sure hope so... I heard, just this week, that: Solar flares are the latest thing; They're saying increased solar activity, Like on the sun, when one comes, And the sun is facing the earth; Unimaginable energy is released... And with the, increase the magnitude of storms; Effecting the magnetic field of the earth... Which effects storm patterns and the jet stream, also, With a predicted solar storm, around the year 2012; Which could be devastating, so they say... I sure hope we can damp down all these conditions, With the powerful meditation techniques we have been taught. And have whatever it takes in the group practice: So, whatever it will take. R.G. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The chakras and Aum mentioned in the Bible...
Revelation 3:14 ...these things saith the 'Amen', the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rama krishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello ! i read this message (from mdixon dt.Wed Jan 24, 2007 ) wherein it was stated that aum is mentioned in Bible: Revelation 1:10 I was in the spirit (meditation) on the Lords day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet. Aummm... an I browsed through a couple of Bibles online but couldn't get a confirmation on this i.e there is no specific reference to aum. i wuld be grateful if someone culd provide me some reference Bible ON THE NET where the specific reference to aum is contained. the bible i referred to was at this link: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev001.html thanks rama krishna - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Surge Lacks Voltage'
It's all Maya. - Original Message - From: Robert Gimbel To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Surge Lacks Voltage' Like the President's speach, there is no 'electricity' in this surge. By the amount of chaos, and torture, the Iraqis are going through... It will take a lot more of some kind of voltage, to subdue this situation. To me it all seems like more of the same, And a prelude to a confrontation with Iran. Oh well, there's always the .Maharishi Effect'. Hope it can pull us through. Save us, Maharishi! Can we influence the sun, I sure hope so... I heard, just this week, that: Solar flares are the latest thing; They're saying increased solar activity, Like on the sun, when one comes, And the sun is facing the earth; Unimaginable energy is released... And with the, increase the magnitude of storms; Effecting the magnetic field of the earth... Which effects storm patterns and the jet stream, also, With a predicted solar storm, around the year 2012; Which could be devastating, so they say... I sure hope we can damp down all these conditions, With the powerful meditation techniques we have been taught. And have whatever it takes in the group practice: So, whatever it will take. R.G. -- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
[FairfieldLife] German Study and John Knapp
Ran across those newsgroup comments to John Knapp from 11 years ago and used Roger Nelson's response to justify modifying the widipedia mention of the German study on TM that he likes to quote on his website. Everyone claims that TMers and MUM faculty are dishonest, but there's a reason why Judy coined the phrase Honest John to refer to John Knapp. Note that he STILL hasn't changed what he says about the German study despite being spanked severely in public by Roger over the trancenet entry on it: == evalutation of german study == I reworded the line about the German government study to reflect what was actually going on. The german government interviewed 27 people who had complaints about TM and (surprise!) more than 75% of them reported adverse effects from TM. Here's a couple of newsgroup comments by Roger D Nelson of [http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Princeton_Engineering_Anomalies_Research_Lab#Emeritus_members PEAR], who read the study and gave an informal review of it in the sci.skeptics newsgroup just over 11 years ago, wearing the hat of someone who had performed a comprehensive review of the scientific literature on meditation for the NIH. Note that he was talking to John Knapp, whose website was the source for the Skeptic Dictionary entry and that John still hasn't changed his website to reflect their conversation 11 years ago: :[...] :I not only have read the study, and commented on it subsequently in posts that you apparently have not taken the opportunity to read, I am competent to do so, both by professional training and by experience. The latter includes having reviewed, comprehensively, the scientific literature on meditation, including Trancendental Meditation, for the Office of Alternative Medicine, NIH.The German study is not scientific by any reasonable standard, particularly including that of peer review. Had it been available at the time of my review, I would have listed it as a report of negative results. While the study would have merited little attention, I probably would have noted that its sampling procedures and analytic approaches permit no generalization, and I would have indicated that selective reporting occurs, apparently for the specific purpose of providing descriptive anecdotes to therapists. The general conclusions drawn by the study authors are not supportable. [http://groups.google.com/group/sci.psychology.misc/msg/2a2cc1b928f68a1f\ ?hl=en] ;[...] :No, John, I am a greybeard, with a 1972 doctorate in in experimental psychology concentrating on perception, neurophysiology, and cognitive capacities. Of course that includes an excellent classical education in experimental design and statistics. It was, however, my 15 years of experience at Princeton, developing sound research and analytical strategies for the study of anomalies linking consciousness and physical systems that prompted an invitation to participate in the OAM effort to determine what research had been done in its purview, and to attempt a first resolution of the implications thereof, in order to design a useful program of prospective research in alternative medicine. :I have already posted the relevant information from the resulting review of meditation that bears on an assessment of the merits of the German study. That study is not what you claim and imply it to be, namely a reliable (prestigious is a term you have used) source for the generalizations that you specifically make to the effect that trancendental meditation is harmful. At best it is what it was designed to be, namely a recounting of problems suffered by parents, spouses, and a small number -- 27 as I recall -- of meditators. I have no investment in TM, but I do have a strong interest in proper reporting and wise use of science and its authority. To attempt to generalize from a study conducted as this one was, by asking each troubled person to please put us in touch with other similarly troubled people, with implications that meditation, or even TM , is dangerous or harmful, is ludicrous on the face of it. [http://groups.google.com/group/sci.psychology.misc/msg/b0cd8d009bcb5512?\ dmode=sourcehl=en] Roger D. Nelson, Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) C-131 E-Quad, Princeton University, Princeton, NJ 08544 voice: 609 258-5370 fax: 609 258-1993 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.princeton.edu/~rdnelson/index.html smallThe preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Sparaig|Sparaig]] ([[User talk:Sparaig|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ Sparaig|contribs]]) 13:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)./small!-- HagermanBot Auto- Unsigned --
[FairfieldLife] Re: German Study and John Knapp
Just as a question, sparaig, have you meditated today? You seem to be up pretty early. So did you meditate *before* logging on and writing this, or do you intend to do it later...maybe? I'm not a big fan of John Knapp, either, but I was wondering which was more important to you -- cruising the net to protect TM from its enemies, or actually practicing the thing you're trying to protect? The question is really fairly rhetorical. I think we all know from past discussions which one you consider more important. I'm bringing it up because I recently blasted John on his site for only being AGAINST something, and not really FOR anything else. If your everyday behavior is to value posting to this group and several others to blast TM's critics more than you value the practice of TM itself, I'm wondering why that criticism doesn't also apply to you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ran across those newsgroup comments to John Knapp from 11 years ago and used Roger Nelson's response to justify modifying the widipedia mention of the German study on TM that he likes to quote on his website. Everyone claims that TMers and MUM faculty are dishonest, but there's a reason why Judy coined the phrase Honest John to refer to John Knapp. Note that he STILL hasn't changed what he says about the German study despite being spanked severely in public by Roger over the trancenet entry on it: == evalutation of german study == I reworded the line about the German government study to reflect what was actually going on. The german government interviewed 27 people who had complaints about TM and (surprise!) more than 75% of them reported adverse effects from TM. Here's a couple of newsgroup comments by Roger D Nelson of [http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Princeton_Engineering_Anomalies_Research_Lab#Emeritus_members PEAR], who read the study and gave an informal review of it in the sci.skeptics newsgroup just over 11 years ago, wearing the hat of someone who had performed a comprehensive review of the scientific literature on meditation for the NIH. Note that he was talking to John Knapp, whose website was the source for the Skeptic Dictionary entry and that John still hasn't changed his website to reflect their conversation 11 years ago: :[...] :I not only have read the study, and commented on it subsequently in posts that you apparently have not taken the opportunity to read, I am competent to do so, both by professional training and by experience. The latter includes having reviewed, comprehensively, the scientific literature on meditation, including Trancendental Meditation, for the Office of Alternative Medicine, NIH.The German study is not scientific by any reasonable standard, particularly including that of peer review. Had it been available at the time of my review, I would have listed it as a report of negative results. While the study would have merited little attention, I probably would have noted that its sampling procedures and analytic approaches permit no generalization, and I would have indicated that selective reporting occurs, apparently for the specific purpose of providing descriptive anecdotes to therapists. The general conclusions drawn by the study authors are not supportable. [http://groups.google.com/group/sci.psychology.misc/msg/2a2cc1b928f68a1f\ ?hl=en] ;[...] :No, John, I am a greybeard, with a 1972 doctorate in in experimental psychology concentrating on perception, neurophysiology, and cognitive capacities. Of course that includes an excellent classical education in experimental design and statistics. It was, however, my 15 years of experience at Princeton, developing sound research and analytical strategies for the study of anomalies linking consciousness and physical systems that prompted an invitation to participate in the OAM effort to determine what research had been done in its purview, and to attempt a first resolution of the implications thereof, in order to design a useful program of prospective research in alternative medicine. :I have already posted the relevant information from the resulting review of meditation that bears on an assessment of the merits of the German study. That study is not what you claim and imply it to be, namely a reliable (prestigious is a term you have used) source for the generalizations that you specifically make to the effect that trancendental meditation is harmful. At best it is what it was designed to be, namely a recounting of problems suffered by parents, spouses, and a small number -- 27 as I recall -- of meditators. I have no investment in TM, but I do have a strong interest in proper reporting and wise use of science and its authority. To attempt to generalize from a study conducted as this one was, by asking each troubled person to please put us in touch with other similarly
[FairfieldLife] Re: German Study and John Knapp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as a question, sparaig, have you meditated today? You seem to be up pretty early. So did you meditate *before* logging on and writing this, or do you intend to do it later...maybe? I'm not a big fan of John Knapp, either, but I was wondering which was more important to you -- cruising the net to protect TM from its enemies, or actually practicing the thing you're trying to protect? The question is really fairly rhetorical. I think we all know from past discussions which one you consider more important. I'm bringing it up because I recently blasted John on his site for only being AGAINST something, and not really FOR anything else. If your everyday behavior is to value posting to this group and several others to blast TM's critics more than you value the practice of TM itself, I'm wondering why that criticism doesn't also apply to you. COuldn't sleep (got up at 4:45) so I decided to play around on the net for a while. Heading off to meditate now, thanks
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Thinking and Meditating Can Change the Brain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:04 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
snip
Now whether in the end it helped or hindered in the overall
scheme of things, we may never know. Many were helped and
many were harmed.
Documentation?
If you haven't heard stuff like the following, you should take
your head out of the sand my friend! It's rather sad to say
this
only scrapes the surface:
List of TM Casualties
This is what you call documentation,
anonymous, unverified old stories from John
Knapp's hate site Trancenet??
Oh, and funny, but you didn't provide even *that*
much for the claim that Guru Dev told MMY not to
teach
The guy is a loser and a liar. The reason I respond so forcefully
to
his bullshit is that by constantly denigrating Maharishi and Guru
Dev, Vaj creates a condition of mistrust and argument on FFL. There
is no room to discuss anything when that chump is spouting off,
except to counter his unbridled crap.
There used to be people, I for one, who enjoyed sharing and
discussing experiences of enlightenment here. But the jealous
little
faux-Buddhist couldn't stand that. He has never shared personal
experiences except to make some point about his 'empty mind'
meditation ('empty heart' is more like it...), and to think that he
calls himself a Buddhist is an embarassment to Buddhists globally.
I have been in the company of many Buddhists, in Japan, Indonesia,
and Hong Kong, and none of them acted with the lack of heart and
acceptance as this asshole does. So he can continue to be an
asshole
since that's all he can do, and I'll call him on it every time he
does.
Maybe he will get tired of being described for what he is and fuck
off, and we can get back to discussing what made this place pretty
special for those truly interested in enlightenment.
On the other hand, he mentioned to Peter S. not long ago that he
wanted to open a chain of hate centers or something, so perhaps he
enjoys being nasty and dark. Well, let's just see how much he
enjoys
it, shall we? :-)
Well said !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris replies to Andrew Sullivan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote: http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3 Important to read the earlier part of the exchange to get a proper perspective on Harris's response. He's just as much of a fanatic as the fundamentalists he rants about. Sullivan made excellent points that Harris doesn't know how to respond to, and it's sent him into a frustrated rage. I see that as a battle of two individuals who are locked into egoic identity, identified with their limited relative existence, one believing he is separate from unbounded, eternal Divinity, and the other denying the existence of unbounded, eternal Divinity. In the state of identity with the plane of ever-changing, uncertain, relative existence, people tend to seek security in some construct of this plane that has the appearance of absoluteness (e.g. science) or has been arbitrarily declared absolute (e.g., religion). And, to maintain this pseudo-security, the ego-mind engages in battle, desperately trying to recruit others and maintain the illusion of its chosen construct's absoluteness and validity above all other constructs.
[FairfieldLife] any one confirm 4 me X's actual name any scholors here? in Hebrew names etc.?
Was it Emmanuel Ben Joseph Jessie Pomegranate? Ben of the house of Joseph, Jessie the last name of the Davedic line he was from as well as Mary the pomegranate was there ring symbol or formal last name?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris replies to Andrew Sullivan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote: http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3 Important to read the earlier part of the exchange to get a proper perspective on Harris's response. He's just as much of a fanatic as the fundamentalists he rants about. Sullivan made excellent points that Harris doesn't know how to respond to, and it's sent him into a frustrated rage. I see that as a battle of two individuals who are locked into egoic identity, identified with their limited relative existence, one believing he is separate from unbounded, eternal Divinity, and the other denying the existence of unbounded, eternal Divinity. In the state of identity with the plane of ever-changing, uncertain, relative existence, people tend to seek security in some construct of this plane that has the appearance of absoluteness (e.g. science) or has been arbitrarily declared absolute (e.g., religion). And, to maintain this pseudo-security, the ego-mind engages in battle, desperately trying to recruit others and maintain the illusion of its chosen construct's absoluteness and validity above all other constructs. I think everyone here has misread Harris's viewpoints, which might be expected from this type of group. Harris does not deny the existence of unbounded eternal divinity or anything else in that realm, he just says you can say with certainty that it exists, or say it is Truth that it exists. Harris properly points out the dangers of believing in these sort of absolute unprovable Truths without realizing that they're actually just your own belief systems that you own for whatever reasons, good or bad, but he's not denying anyone the right to hold their belief system - whereas religionists have a tendency to want to deny any other belief system which does not conform to their Truth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT WILL FAIRFIELD IOWA LOOK LIKE BY THE END OF 2007?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if Sai Baba pulls the whole Michael Jackson beat it routine with kids, but I do know that he is a shitty magician. I've seen the tapes of his versions of tricks that I learned when I was 10 years old. I saw his fumbling version of the steal the Vibhuti from the napkin while pretending to wipe your hands trick. I've seen the same double sided vase that I got for my birthday as a kid, used to amaze his gullible followers. I've seen him palm amulets and produce them on film as if he pulled them out of his cosmic ass. You are letting him get away with a magic act that would not cut it in a 4th grade talent show. Yes I've seen the slow motion videos exposing SB faking his manifestations and have heard accounts from insiders of how SB keeps a big closet full of trinkets that later get manifested. I've also been told that SB did practice various occult techniques as a youngster that gave him some sidhis and some of his magic acts are real, but he doesn't always have the juice flowing so he also fakes in order to keep his followers amazed. The real problem here is that followers would actually think his tricks, real or fake, are indicative of spiritual enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Lsoma@ wrote: Easy does it. Sai Baba is not a petafile. If you are so certain that Sai Baba is then get someone to video tape it. Stop listening to everyone and everything. If you do the bullshit piles up and you can get it all over yourself. Go within for your answers. If you want to visit every website that has stories to degrade anyone then you have too much free time. Go to the dome and hop around for world peace. It would be healthier than finding out what Guru screwed who. It is no wonder the world is the way it is with so many people lacking faith in some higher good. Let the angels of God judge Sai Baba. No one gets away with anything anyhow. Change the channel and get a new antenna. Or as Maharishi used to say-Focus on the rose not the thorns. Stop judging every teacher that comes along and let them work out there own karma. Be thankful for what they have given to us. Everyone changes in their own time. Lsoma. The info on Sai Baba being a pedophile is now overwhelming, not from scandalous websites but mainly from former leaders of his org., many of whom had children sodomized and verified by doctors. These were people who did not want to believe the truth about Sai Baba but couldn't ignore the evidence after much agonizing. Do some common sense research on this rather than listening to channelers. Spiritual people look the other way when children are being molested? The world is a bad place because people show some discrimination as to who is and who isn't a true spiritual teacher? I had a very open mind about this issue when I first came across it, but I can't find any supporter of Sai Baba who's making any reasonable argument, just the above spiritual jive talk. Walking around in robes talking about God and periodically displaying some sidhis due to a grossly inbalanced kundalini process doesn't provide any kind of cover for grossly dark behavior.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris replies to Andrew Sullivan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: I see that as a battle of two individuals who are locked into egoic identity, identified with their limited relative existence, one believing he is separate from unbounded, eternal Divinity, and the other denying the existence of unbounded, eternal Divinity. In the state of identity with the plane of ever-changing, uncertain, relative existence, people tend to seek security in some construct of this plane that has the appearance of absoluteness (e.g. science) or has been arbitrarily declared absolute (e.g., religion). And, to maintain this pseudo-security, the ego-mind engages in battle, desperately trying to recruit others and maintain the illusion of its chosen construct's absoluteness and validity above all other constructs. I think everyone here has misread Harris's viewpoints, which might be expected from this type of group. Harris does not deny the existence of unbounded eternal divinity or anything else in that realm, he just says you can [not] say with certainty that it exists, or say it is Truth that it exists. I understand that, mainly, because I agree with him. That was my whole point to Jim recently. I was merely commenting on the fact that in his latest post Harris seems to have degenerated somewhat. His stuff is usually on a much higher level than this. Harris properly points out the dangers of believing in these sort of absolute unprovable Truths without realizing that they're actually just your own belief systems that you own for whatever reasons, good or bad, but he's not denying anyone the right to hold their belief system - whereas religionists have a tendency to want to deny any other belief system which does not conform to their Truth. I consider myself fortunate to have worked with Fred Lenz (Rama), despite many negatives, because when you were around him the energy field was so strong that it was almost impossible to hold onto *anything* long enough to believe it was truth. You'd go out into the desert with the dude and have your belief systems (and your notions of what 'reality' is) blown right out of their socks dozens of times a night. So what's to hold onto? Beliefs are things that come and go, just as states of attention come and go. In my opinion, if someone has become attached enough to one particular belief system to believe it's the truth, let alone to try to convince others that it's the truth, to me that just means they've been stuck in one state of attention for far too long. One good kick in the metaphysical pants, one radical shift into another state of attention, and chances are that belief system and that notion of truth will be sloughed off like so many dead skin cells when they've outlived their usefulness. So I guess I'm kinda agreeing with Alex here. Sullivan may be stuck in his mindset, with its assumptions and beliefs, but IMO so -- at least right now -- is Harris.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris replies to Andrew Sullivan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The middle-way readers have it right, IMO. What is going on is two people -- who see the world completely differently, wearing two completely different states of attention, each bringing to the table completely different sets of assumptions -- trying to have a discussion and failing miserably. The problem isn't that Harris doesn't have any good points, the problem is that he's trying to smash Sullivan with them--at least as of his most recent post--instead of having a discussion. Sullivan, in contrast, *is* trying to have a discussion. Sullivan can be as intractable and snotty as anybody, but in this case, for whatever reason, that tendency hasn't shown up, at least not yet. As a nonreligionist whose assumptions don't jibe with those of either of these guys, I don't think Harris knows as much as he thinks he does about the scriptural texts and religious perspectives he's dumping on, so in many cases he's attacking his own straw men. Maybe Harris's most stubborn assumption is that if science is valid, then religion isn't. He insists on judging religion by the standards of science, which really makes no sense. Sullivan, on the other hand, assumes that one doesn't somehow negate the other, which seems to me a much more reasonable position. Or to put it another way, Harris is threatened by religion, but Sullivan isn't threatened by science. *Both*, IMO, are so attached to their assumptions that they cannot possibly challenge them. Thing is, only if Harris's assumption about science negating religion is correct should Sullivan *need* to challenge his own. Sullivan isn't trying to negate science. So it isn't symmetrical. Instead, they argue for the assumptions' correctness, using the most persuasive arguments they can come up with, trying to win, to convince the other of their position's correctness. And they're both surprised and confounded when the other person is *not* persuaded by these arguments, which seem to them self-evident, beyond refute. I think it's a situation we're familiar with here on Fairfield Life. :-) One thing you've never understood, Barry, is that by making the most persuasive arguments possible for one's perspective and defending it against challenge, one can be mounting one's *own* challenge to that perspective--at least if the challenger is arguing in good faith and doesn't crap out when the going gets tough.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris replies to Andrew Sullivan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think everyone here has misread Harris's viewpoints, which might be expected from this type of group. Harris does not deny the existence of unbounded eternal divinity or anything else in that realm, he just says you can say with certainty that it exists, or say it is Truth that it exists. I think you meant cannot say with certainty, right? Harris properly points out the dangers of believing in these sort of absolute unprovable Truths without realizing that they're actually just your own belief systems that you own for whatever reasons, good or bad, but he's not denying anyone the right to hold their belief system - whereas religionists have a tendency to want to deny any other belief system which does not conform to their Truth. The problem is that you get into an infinite regress here. Harris *is* denying religionists the right to believe that their beliefs are absolute Truth. That is the *foundation* of their belief systems. Sullivan, as far as I can see, is not trying to convince Harris that Christianity is Absolute Truth; he's trying to show Harris that Harris's reasons for asserting that Christianity *cannot* be Absolute Truth are not well grounded. As I said to Barry, the argument isn't symmetrical in this regard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: German Study and John Knapp
FWIW, it wasn't just Roger who spanked Knapp about the German study, it was also Barry Markovsky, also a highly qualified researcher, who is hardly a big supporter of TM. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ran across those newsgroup comments to John Knapp from 11 years ago and used Roger Nelson's response to justify modifying the widipedia mention of the German study on TM that he likes to quote on his website. Everyone claims that TMers and MUM faculty are dishonest, but there's a reason why Judy coined the phrase Honest John to refer to John Knapp. Note that he STILL hasn't changed what he says about the German study despite being spanked severely in public by Roger over the trancenet entry on it: == evalutation of german study == I reworded the line about the German government study to reflect what was actually going on. The german government interviewed 27 people who had complaints about TM and (surprise!) more than 75% of them reported adverse effects from TM. Here's a couple of newsgroup comments by Roger D Nelson of [http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Princeton_Engineering_Anomalies_Research_Lab#Emeritus_members PEAR], who read the study and gave an informal review of it in the sci.skeptics newsgroup just over 11 years ago, wearing the hat of someone who had performed a comprehensive review of the scientific literature on meditation for the NIH. Note that he was talking to John Knapp, whose website was the source for the Skeptic Dictionary entry and that John still hasn't changed his website to reflect their conversation 11 years ago: :[...] :I not only have read the study, and commented on it subsequently in posts that you apparently have not taken the opportunity to read, I am competent to do so, both by professional training and by experience. The latter includes having reviewed, comprehensively, the scientific literature on meditation, including Trancendental Meditation, for the Office of Alternative Medicine, NIH.The German study is not scientific by any reasonable standard, particularly including that of peer review. Had it been available at the time of my review, I would have listed it as a report of negative results. While the study would have merited little attention, I probably would have noted that its sampling procedures and analytic approaches permit no generalization, and I would have indicated that selective reporting occurs, apparently for the specific purpose of providing descriptive anecdotes to therapists. The general conclusions drawn by the study authors are not supportable. [http://groups.google.com/group/sci.psychology.misc/msg/2a2cc1b928f68a 1f\ ?hl=en] ;[...] :No, John, I am a greybeard, with a 1972 doctorate in in experimental psychology concentrating on perception, neurophysiology, and cognitive capacities. Of course that includes an excellent classical education in experimental design and statistics. It was, however, my 15 years of experience at Princeton, developing sound research and analytical strategies for the study of anomalies linking consciousness and physical systems that prompted an invitation to participate in the OAM effort to determine what research had been done in its purview, and to attempt a first resolution of the implications thereof, in order to design a useful program of prospective research in alternative medicine. :I have already posted the relevant information from the resulting review of meditation that bears on an assessment of the merits of the German study. That study is not what you claim and imply it to be, namely a reliable (prestigious is a term you have used) source for the generalizations that you specifically make to the effect that trancendental meditation is harmful. At best it is what it was designed to be, namely a recounting of problems suffered by parents, spouses, and a small number -- 27 as I recall -- of meditators. I have no investment in TM, but I do have a strong interest in proper reporting and wise use of science and its authority. To attempt to generalize from a study conducted as this one was, by asking each troubled person to please put us in touch with other similarly troubled people, with implications that meditation, or even TM , is dangerous or harmful, is ludicrous on the face of it. [http://groups.google.com/group/sci.psychology.misc/msg/b0cd8d009bcb55 12?\ dmode=sourcehl=en] Roger D. Nelson, Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) C-131 E-Quad, Princeton University, Princeton, NJ 08544 voice: 609 258-5370 fax: 609 258-1993 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.princeton.edu/~rdnelson/index.html smallThe preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Sparaig|Sparaig]] ([[User talk:Sparaig|talk]]
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT WILL FAIRFIELD IOWA LOOK LIKE BY THE END OF 2007?
Nice point on the Sam Harris thread. As far as Sai goes, if he gets to take the fall back position, when exposed as a charlatan, that he used to do real magic before he got caught faking it, I think Carl Rove must be moonlighting on spinthisgurusbs.com I have a simpler explanation. And if Uncle Ernie gets caught, just once, with his hand up my niece's skirt, he loses his seat at the Thanksgiving table forever. Sai is like one of those burned out kiddie magicians after their third divorce. He doesn't even bother with any misdirection because he has contempt for his audience. Spend five minutes in Barnes and Noble with the classic: Magic for Beginners, Amaze Your Friends and you will see the the right way to do his whole routine. Did I mention his bad hair? That is irrefutable proof of his lack of enlightenment. Enlightened guys can keep their fro flat and silky even in a humid climate. This is a fact. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't know if Sai Baba pulls the whole Michael Jackson beat it routine with kids, but I do know that he is a shitty magician. I've seen the tapes of his versions of tricks that I learned when I was 10 years old. I saw his fumbling version of the steal the Vibhuti from the napkin while pretending to wipe your hands trick. I've seen the same double sided vase that I got for my birthday as a kid, used to amaze his gullible followers. I've seen him palm amulets and produce them on film as if he pulled them out of his cosmic ass. You are letting him get away with a magic act that would not cut it in a 4th grade talent show. Yes I've seen the slow motion videos exposing SB faking his manifestations and have heard accounts from insiders of how SB keeps a big closet full of trinkets that later get manifested. I've also been told that SB did practice various occult techniques as a youngster that gave him some sidhis and some of his magic acts are real, but he doesn't always have the juice flowing so he also fakes in order to keep his followers amazed. The real problem here is that followers would actually think his tricks, real or fake, are indicative of spiritual enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Lsoma@ wrote: Easy does it. Sai Baba is not a petafile. If you are so certain that Sai Baba is then get someone to video tape it. Stop listening to everyone and everything. If you do the bullshit piles up and you can get it all over yourself. Go within for your answers. If you want to visit every website that has stories to degrade anyone then you have too much free time. Go to the dome and hop around for world peace. It would be healthier than finding out what Guru screwed who. It is no wonder the world is the way it is with so many people lacking faith in some higher good. Let the angels of God judge Sai Baba. No one gets away with anything anyhow. Change the channel and get a new antenna. Or as Maharishi used to say-Focus on the rose not the thorns. Stop judging every teacher that comes along and let them work out there own karma. Be thankful for what they have given to us. Everyone changes in their own time. Lsoma. The info on Sai Baba being a pedophile is now overwhelming, not from scandalous websites but mainly from former leaders of his org., many of whom had children sodomized and verified by doctors. These were people who did not want to believe the truth about Sai Baba but couldn't ignore the evidence after much agonizing. Do some common sense research on this rather than listening to channelers. Spiritual people look the other way when children are being molested? The world is a bad place because people show some discrimination as to who is and who isn't a true spiritual teacher? I had a very open mind about this issue when I first came across it, but I can't find any supporter of Sai Baba who's making any reasonable argument, just the above spiritual jive talk. Walking around in robes talking about God and periodically displaying some sidhis due to a grossly inbalanced kundalini process doesn't provide any kind of cover for grossly dark behavior.
[FairfieldLife] Sai Baba
Maitreya and other well-known figures This page sheds some light into the relationship between Maitreya and some well-known figures such as Sai Baba, the Buddha, Krishna and Krishnamurti. This information is excerpted from the books by Benjamin Creme. Maitreya Sai Baba Sai Baba is a teacher or guru in south India with an enormous following. Hundreds of thousands, perhaps one or two million people from all over the world would claim to be his devotees. These Followers see him as God, the creator of the universe. He is a cosmic avatar. Sai Baba and Maitreya both embody the same energy--what we call the Christ principle, the energy of Love --- Sai Baba at the cosmic level, Maitreya at the planetary level. The relation of Sai Baba to the Christ: The Christ is a planetary avatar, Sai Baba is a cosmic avatar. He is a Spiritual Regent, sent into the world by the Lord of the World, Sanat Kumara, on Shamballa. A regent stands in for the king. Similarly, a Spiritual Regent stands in for God, for the Logos, Whose reflection Sanat Kumara is. Sai Baba embodies the energy of Love at a cosmic level (the Christ embodies this energy at the planetary level) and his work, in part, is to prepare humanity for the work of the Christ. By awakening the love principle in humanity, Sai Baba will prepare people for the Initiatory work of the Christ. As the Hierophant, the Initiator, at the first two planetary initiations, the Christ will lead humanity gradually out of the strictly human kingdom into the Hierarchy, the Kingdom of Souls, or the Kingdom of God. That is his major work in the coming age of Aquarius. These two Great Ones work together in daily contact, complete harmony and shared purpose in the evolution of mankind. - Benjamin Creme http://www.shareintl.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: Route 34
It is one of the Fibonacci numbers that relates to the Golden Section, a ratio found in an incredible (mind-boggling) number of situations in nature. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Route 34 runs from Estes Park, Colorado located right in Rocky National Park east through Fairfield and ends in Chicago. MMY gave a course in Estes Park and set up MIU/MUM in Fairfield. Is there any significance to Highway 34? I didn't think about this until I noticed the Highway 34 sign heading west into Estes Park for a visit last year and wondered if this was the same 34 that passed through Fairfield when I attended MIU. Mark http://www.geocities.com/usend3039/End034/end034.htm
[FairfieldLife] brain mechanism and addiction: damaged insula eliminated smoking
Brain mechanism and Addiction: damaged insula eliminated Smoking source -- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070125/ap_on_he_me/smoking_brain_damage Spot in brain may control smoking urge By LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical Writer Damage to a silver dollar-sized spot deep in the brain seems to wipe out the urge to smoke, a surprising discovery that may shed important new light on addiction. The research was inspired by a stroke survivor who claimed he simply forgot his two-pack-a-day addiction _ no cravings, no nicotine patches, not even a conscious desire to quit. The quitting is like a light switch that went off, said Dr. Antoine Bechara of the University of Southern California, who scanned the brains of 69 smokers and ex-smokers to pinpoint the region involved. This is very striking. Clearly brain damage isn't a treatment option for people struggling to kick the habit. But the finding, reported in Friday's edition of the journal Science, does point scientists toward new ways to develop anti-smoking aids by targeting this little-known brain region called the insula. And it sparked excitement among addiction specialists who expect the insula to play a key role in other addictions, too. It's a fantastic paper, it's a fantastic finding, said Dr. Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse and a longtime investigator of the brain's addiction pathways. What this study shows unequivocally is the insula is a key structure in the brain for perceiving the urges to take the drug, urges that are the backbone of the addiction, Volkow added. Why? The insula appears to be where the brain turns physical reactions into feelings, such as feeling anxious when your heart speeds up. When those reactions are caused by a particular substance, the insula may act like sort of a headquarters for cravings. Some 44 million Americans smoke, and the government says more than 400,000 a year die of smoking-related illnesses. Declines in smoking have slowed in recent years, making it unlikely that the nation will reach a public health goal of reducing the rate to 12 percent by 2010. Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances known, and it's common for smokers to suffer repeated relapses when they try to quit. So imagine Bechara's surprise at hearing a patient he code-named Nathan note nonchalantly that my body forgot the urge to smoke right after his stroke. At the time, Bechara was at the University of Iowa studying the effects of certain types of brain damage after strokes or other injury. While Nathan was hospitalized, stroke specialists sent his information to that brain registry. He was 38, had smoked since 14, said he enjoyed it and had had no intention to quit. But his last puff was the night before his stroke. His surprised wife said he never even asked for a smoke while in the hospital. It's not unusual for a health scare to prompt an attempt at quitting. That's the quitting that's not as interesting, Bechara said. Instead, Nathan experienced what Bechara calls a disruption of smoking addiction, and he wanted to know why. Bechara and colleagues culled their brain-damage registry for 69 patients who had smoked regularly before their injuries. Nineteen, including Nathan, had damage to the insula. Thirteen of the insula-damaged patients had quit smoking, 12 of them super-easily: They quit within a day of the brain injury, and reported neither smoking nor even feeling the urge since then. Of the remaining 50 patients with damage in other brain regions, 19 quit smoking but only four met the broken-addiction criteria. If Bechara's findings are validated, they suggest that developing drugs that target the insula might help smokers quit. There are nicotine receptors in the insula, meaning it should be possible to create a nicotine-specific drug, Bechara said _ albeit years from now. More immediately, NIDA's Volkow wants to try a different experiment: Scientists can temporarily alter function of certain brain regions with pulses of magnetic energy, called transcranial magnetic stimulation. She wants to see if it's possible to focus such magnetic pulses on the insula, and thus verify its role. Other neurologic functions are known to be involved with addiction, too, such as the brain's reward or pleasure pathways. The insula discovery doesn't contradict that work, but adds another layer to how addiction grips the brain, Bechara said. Copyright © 2007 Yahoo! Inc / Copyright © 2007 The Associated Press --
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Route 34
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob_brigante Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:44 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Route 34 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Route 34 runs from Estes Park, Colorado located right in Rocky National Park east through Fairfield and ends in Chicago. MMY gave a course in Estes Park and set up MIU/MUM in Fairfield. Is there any significance to Highway 34? I didn't think about this until I noticed the Highway 34 sign heading west into Estes Park for a visit last year and wondered if this was the same 34 that passed through Fairfield when I attended MIU. Mark http://www.geocities.com/usend3039/End034/end034.htm * Guru Dev became a sanyasi at age 34, so must be a cosmic numbah: At the age of 34 he was initiated into the order of Sanyas by his Master at the greatest world fair, Kumbha Mela, that is held once in twelve years at the junction of the two holy rivers, Ganges and Jumna at Allahabad City. http://www.tmbulletin.net/volume1/TMBulletinV1I11.htm And 34 backwards is 43, and I was 43 14 years ago.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT WILL FAIRFIELD IOWA LOOK LIKE BY THE END OF 2007?
The topic listed was for what Fairfield Iowa would look like by the end of 2007. The fascination around Sai Baba is the only thing people are commenting about. I don't give a shit about what your opinion is regarding Sai Baba's miracles or sexual behavior. If you can't even talk around the title of a topic then go back to grade school and learn how to. Lsoma.
[FairfieldLife] Re: German Study and John Knapp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as a question, sparaig, have you meditated today? You seem to be up pretty early. So did you meditate *before* logging on and writing this, or do you intend to do it later...maybe? And just what the *hell* business is this of yours? I'm not a big fan of John Knapp, either, but I was wondering which was more important to you -- cruising the net to protect TM from its enemies, or actually practicing the thing you're trying to protect? Let's have *your* practice schedule so we can see exactly what's more important to *you*, bashing TM/MMY/TMO/TMers or advancing your own evolution.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris replies to Andrew Sullivan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I consider myself fortunate to have worked with Fred Lenz (Rama), despite many negatives, because when you were around him the energy field was so strong that it was almost impossible to hold onto *anything* long enough to believe it was truth. You'd go out into the desert with the dude and have your belief systems (and your notions of what 'reality' is) blown right out of their socks dozens of times a night. So what's to hold onto? The belief that Lenz had some supernormal ability to blow away your belief systems and notions of what reality is?
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT WILL FAIRFIELD IOWA LOOK LIKE BY THE END OF 2007?
I had a long conversation with Sai Baba's former English translator, an American, many years ago, and he told me then that Baba was a fake. That the ash, trinkets were stored in a warehouse, and that Baba had no power. He uses sleigth of hand. He certainly has no teaching. I've been to one of his ashrams, and they've got nothing, just vague Hindu mumbo jumbo that I'm not sure even they understand. It's nowhere. Frank --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't know if Sai Baba pulls the whole Michael Jackson beat it routine with kids, but I do know that he is a shitty magician. I've seen the tapes of his versions of tricks that I learned when I was 10 years old. I saw his fumbling version of the steal the Vibhuti from the napkin while pretending to wipe your hands trick. I've seen the same double sided vase that I got for my birthday as a kid, used to amaze his gullible followers. I've seen him palm amulets and produce them on film as if he pulled them out of his cosmic ass. You are letting him get away with a magic act that would not cut it in a 4th grade talent show. Yes I've seen the slow motion videos exposing SB faking his manifestations and have heard accounts from insiders of how SB keeps a big closet full of trinkets that later get manifested. I've also been told that SB did practice various occult techniques as a youngster that gave him some sidhis and some of his magic acts are real, but he doesn't always have the juice flowing so he also fakes in order to keep his followers amazed. The real problem here is that followers would actually think his tricks, real or fake, are indicative of spiritual enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Lsoma@ wrote: Easy does it. Sai Baba is not a petafile. If you are so certain that Sai Baba is then get someone to video tape it. Stop listening to everyone and everything. If you do the bullshit piles up and you can get it all over yourself. Go within for your answers. If you want to visit every website that has stories to degrade anyone then you have too much free time. Go to the dome and hop around for world peace. It would be healthier than finding out what Guru screwed who. It is no wonder the world is the way it is with so many people lacking faith in some higher good. Let the angels of God judge Sai Baba. No one gets away with anything anyhow. Change the channel and get a new antenna. Or as Maharishi used to say- Focus on the rose not the thorns. Stop judging every teacher that comes along and let them work out there own karma. Be thankful for what they have given to us. Everyone changes in their own time. Lsoma. The info on Sai Baba being a pedophile is now overwhelming, not from scandalous websites but mainly from former leaders of his org., many of whom had children sodomized and verified by doctors. These were people who did not want to believe the truth about Sai Baba but couldn't ignore the evidence after much agonizing. Do some common sense research on this rather than listening to channelers. Spiritual people look the other way when children are being molested? The world is a bad place because people show some discrimination as to who is and who isn't a true spiritual teacher? I had a very open mind about this issue when I first came across it, but I can't find any supporter of Sai Baba who's making any reasonable argument, just the above spiritual jive talk. Walking around in robes talking about God and periodically displaying some sidhis due to a grossly inbalanced kundalini process doesn't provide any kind of cover for grossly dark behavior.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris replies to Andrew Sullivan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3 Important to read the earlier part of the exchange to get a proper perspective on Harris's response. He's just as much of a fanatic as the fundamentalists he rants about. Sullivan made excellent points that Harris doesn't know how to respond to, and it's sent him into a frustrated rage. Kinda like Jim Flanegin lately, only coherent. :-) Yes, I'll bet you are having a lot of difficulty following my logic, right? Keep holding on tight, and you will never figure it out. Your choice. Meditate more- fear less. Cheers. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Your tax dollars are paying for this
Pentagon shows off new ray gun Washington- The US military has tested a heat ray gun that produces an intolerable heating sensation on the skin designed to repel enemies or disperse hostile crowds without using lethal force, the Pentagon said Thursday. The device, called the Active Denial System, sits on top of a military vehicle and unleashes an invisible beam at the speed of light that penetrates the skin by less than a millimetre but enough to cause pain sensors to react. More here: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Pentagon_shows_off_new_ray_gun_0125.html IOW, if some government or police idiot decides that your anti-war protest is hostile they can fry your crowd with it. Far fetched, well some of the police I've seen around here are more outfitted with (unnecessary) weapons than troops in Iraq. You'd think the street war was starting tomorrow and most of these folks probably have IQ's less than 90.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Route 34
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is one of the Fibonacci numbers that relates to the Golden Section, a ratio found in an incredible (mind-boggling) number of situations in nature. OffWorld * http://www.textism.com/bucket/fib.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: Route 34 runs from Estes Park, Colorado located right in Rocky National Park east through Fairfield and ends in Chicago. MMY gave a course in Estes Park and set up MIU/MUM in Fairfield. Is there any significance to Highway 34? I didn't think about this until I noticed the Highway 34 sign heading west into Estes Park for a visit last year and wondered if this was the same 34 that passed through Fairfield when I attended MIU. Mark http://www.geocities.com/usend3039/End034/end034.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT WILL FAIRFIELD IOWA LOOK LIKE BY THE END OF 2007?
See you in grade school. Your own post on this heading: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT WILL FAIRFIELD IOWA LOOK LIKE BY THE END OF 2007? Easy does it. Sai Baba is not a petafile. If you are so certain that Sai Baba is then get someone to video tape it. Stop listening to everyone and everything. If you do the bullshit piles up and you can get it all over yourself. Go within for your answers. If you want to visit every website that has stories to degrade anyone then you have too much free time. Go to the dome and hop around for world peace. It would be healthier than finding out what Guru screwed who. It is no wonder the world is the way it is with so many people lacking faith in some higher good. Let the angels of God judge Sai Baba. No one gets away with anything anyhow. Change the channel and get a new antenna. Or as Maharishi used to say-Focus on the rose not the thorns. Stop judging every teacher that comes along and let them work out there own karma. Be thankful for what they have given to us. Everyone changes in their own time. Lsoma. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic listed was for what Fairfield Iowa would look like by the end of 2007. The fascination around Sai Baba is the only thing people are commenting about. I don't give a shit about what your opinion is regarding Sai Baba's miracles or sexual behavior. If you can't even talk around the title of a topic then go back to grade school and learn how to. Lsoma.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT WILL FAIRFIELD IOWA LOOK LIKE BY THE END OF 2007?
At the end of 2007 Fairfield will look just like it does now except it will be a little different. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic listed was for what Fairfield Iowa would look like by the end of 2007. The fascination around Sai Baba is the only thing people are commenting about. I don't give a shit about what your opinion is regarding Sai Baba's miracles or sexual behavior. If you can't even talk around the title of a topic then go back to grade school and learn how to. Lsoma. Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris replies to Andrew Sullivan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3 Important to read the earlier part of the exchange to get a proper perspective on Harris's response. He's just as much of a fanatic as the fundamentalists he rants about. Sullivan made excellent points that Harris doesn't know how to respond to, and it's sent him into a frustrated rage. Kinda like Jim Flanegin lately, only coherent. :-) no frustrated rage here, kiddie. Please reread my msg #128848- you don't 'get it' yet, do you? There is a massive difference between what you refer to as going through a massive shift in perspective, and having no attachments to any perspective. Keep meditating- you need it if you want to get there. Cheers. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maitreya and other well-known figures This page sheds some light into the relationship between Maitreya and some well-known figures such as Sai Baba, the Buddha, Krishna and Krishnamurti. This information is excerpted from the books by Benjamin Creme. Maitreya Sai Baba Sai Baba is a teacher or guru in south India with an enormous following. Hundreds of thousands, perhaps one or two million people from all over the world would claim to be his devotees. These Followers see him as God, the creator of the universe. He is a cosmic avatar. Sai Baba and Maitreya both embody the same energy--what we call the Christ principle, the energy of Love --- Sai Baba at the cosmic level, Maitreya at the planetary level. The relation of Sai Baba to the Christ: The Christ is a planetary avatar, Sai Baba is a cosmic avatar. He is a Spiritual Regent, sent into the world by the Lord of the World, Sanat Kumara, on Shamballa. A regent stands in for the king. Similarly, a Spiritual Regent stands in for God, for the Logos, Whose reflection Sanat Kumara is. Sai Baba embodies the energy of Love at a cosmic level (the Christ embodies this energy at the planetary level) and his work, in part, is to prepare humanity for the work of the Christ. By awakening the love principle in humanity, Sai Baba will prepare people for the Initiatory work of the Christ. As the Hierophant, the Initiator, at the first two planetary initiations, the Christ will lead humanity gradually out of the strictly human kingdom into the Hierarchy, the Kingdom of Souls, or the Kingdom of God. That is his major work in the coming age of Aquarius. These two Great Ones work together in daily contact, complete harmony and shared purpose in the evolution of mankind. - Benjamin Creme http://www.shareintl.org I don't understand what molesting boys has to do with divine work. It seems cruel and very un-God like.
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Sam Harris replies to Andrew Sullivan] three states of living
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I consider myself fortunate to have worked with Fred Lenz (Rama), despite many negatives, because when you were around him the energy field was so strong that it was almost impossible to hold onto *anything* long enough to believe it was truth. You'd go out into the desert with the dude and have your belief systems (and your notions of what 'reality' is) blown right out of their socks dozens of times a night. So what's to hold onto? The belief that Lenz had some supernormal ability to blow away your belief systems and notions of what reality is? Ha-Ha! Yeah, good one! The thing that is impossible to understand except through direct experience is the truth of life, which occurs when reality has been blown away so many times through whatever practice that we finally live permanently outside of the realm of Maya. There seems to be three states here. one is the state where life is lived in the dream of illusion, of unquestioning, ruled by ego and the ego dream. two is the state that barry talks about and enjoys, where the ego dream is challenged and sometimes destroyed. It is an exciting stage, as we begin to see that life is more than we thought, and again and again more than we thought. three is when the ego dream has been completely dissolved and the reality that was lived unquestioningly in the first state, and challenged in the second state is completely absent. Knowledge emerges in this third state that is fresh and new, constantly. It is no longer owned by us, or forming any sort of structure that must be defended. There is no longer anyone to defend it. Life in the other states is seen as the illusions that they are, and life in this state can only be understood by those living it. Life becomes a constant surprise, watching ever fascinated as we are flown from here to there to everywhere, watching out through the window of Creation. Jai Guru Dev
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Route 34
On Jan 25, 2007, at 1:19 PM, Rick Archer wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Route 34 runs from Estes Park, Colorado located right in Rocky National Park east through Fairfield and ends in Chicago. MMY gave a course in Estes Park and set up MIU/MUM in Fairfield. Is there any significance to Highway 34? I didn't think about this until I noticed the Highway 34 sign heading west into Estes Park for a visit last year and wondered if this was the same 34 that passed through Fairfield when I attended MIU. Mark http://www.geocities.com/usend3039/End034/end034.htm * Guru Dev became a sanyasi at age 34, so must be a cosmic numbah: At the age of 34 he was initiated into the order of Sanyas by his Master at the greatest world fair, Kumbha Mela, that is held once in twelve years at the junction of the two holy rivers, Ganges and Jumna at Allahabad City. http://www.tmbulletin.net/volume1/TMBulletinV1I11.htm And 34 backwards is 43, and I was 43 14 years ago And 3 + 4 is 7, and 7 years ago we were all 7 years younger. :) Cosmic. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: German Study and John Knapp
TurquoiseB wrote: Just as a question, sparaig, have you meditated today? You seem to be up pretty early. So did you meditate *before* logging on and writing this, or do you intend to do it later...maybe? I'm not a big fan of John Knapp, either, but I was wondering which was more important to you -- cruising the net to protect TM from its enemies, or actually practicing the thing you're trying to protect? The question is really fairly rhetorical. I think we all know from past discussions which one you consider more important. I'm bringing it up because I recently blasted John on his site for only being AGAINST something, and not really FOR anything else. If your everyday behavior is to value posting to this group and several others to blast TM's critics more than you value the practice of TM itself, I'm wondering why that criticism doesn't also apply to you. A good point and along those lines my guru was telling me yesterday how a large number of Indians don't really understand Indian philosophy very well which I found interesting. And I suspect a number of them rarely meditate. BTW, he also said that anyway who experiences Brahmin regardless of the caste they were born into is considered a Brahmin.
[FairfieldLife] Olmec-influenced city found in Mexico
MEXICO CITY - A 2,500-year-old city influenced by the Olmecs, often referred to as the mother culture of Mesoamerica, has been discovered hundreds of miles away from the Olmecs' Gulf coast territory, archaeologists said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070125/ap_on_sc/mexico_olmec_city
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Britain's MI5 Warning About Germ Warfare'
Source for this piece?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Britain's laboratories have been ordered to
strengthen security on stocks of more than 100 deadly viruses and
bacteria after an MI5 warning that Islamic terrorists are training in
germ warfare. The biological agents include polio, rabies,
tuberculosis and avian flu. Food poisoning bacteria such as E. coli
and the sources of a number of rare tropical and Middle Eastern
illnesses are also included. Scientists and laboratory staff in
universities, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies who deal with
agents will have to be vetted by police, and their laboratories will
be checked by government safety inspectors. Stock will have to be
regularly audited. The crackdown comes after MI5 privately warned the
Foreign and Commonwealth Office that al-Qaeda was actively recruiting
scientists. Extremist groups are known to have targeted students,
offering to fund courses in return for using their newly acquired
expertise.
NI_MPU('middle'); Last November Dame Eliza
Man-ningham-Buller, the Director-General of MI5, gave warning that
terror attacks in Britain could involve weapons of mass destruction.
She said that terrorists were seeking the means to mount a range
of attacks using chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear
devices. We know that the aspiration is there, we know attempts to
gather materials are there, we know that attempts to gather
technologies are there, she said.
Ayman al-Zawahri, al-Qaeda's second-in-command, warned the the
West in an internet video last night of a reprisal far worse than
anything it has seen if Washington did not change its policies
towards Muslim states.
After the 9/11 terrorist attacks in America, security at
laboratories was stepped up amid new intelligence on the ambitions of
al-Qaeda and its allies, and restrictions were placed on 47 agents
under the Antiterrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001. Yesterday the
Government announced that the list was being increased to 103,
including 45 viruses, 21 bacteria, 2 fungi, 13 toxins and 18 animal
pathogens.
Tony McNulty, the Home Office minister in charge of policing,
said: The terror threat is always changing and we must adapt to
ensure it is combated effectively. As terrorists look for new ways to
endanger life, we have to take action to be one step ahead.
He said: That is why we are extending the list of controlled
substances to prevent terrorist groups using chemical or biological
materials as terrorist weapons.
The move comes after a review by a Whitehall committee known as
the Salisbury Group, which includes MI5, police, scientists from
Porton Down, Defra, the Health and Safety Executive and the Health
Protection Agency.
The additions to the list include many of the bacteria and viruses
that strike at animals, such as foot-and-mouth disease. These might
not be harmful to humans but could be devastating to the economy, as
was the foot-and-mouth outbreak in Britain in 2001.
Others such as Rift Valley fever normally infect animals but have
spread to human populations and caused widespread illness and death as
the illness did in Egypt in the 1970s.
Guanarito virus or Venezuelan haemorrhagic fever can be fatal in a
third of cases, while Shigella boydii can cause dysentery.
John Wood, of the National Institute for Biological Standards and
Controls, said scientists will have to show a valid reason for working
with the agents. He said the changes mirrored controls in the US and
would probably mean much stricter access to laboratories.
Alistair Hay, Professor of Environmental Toxicology at Leeds
University, said that the measures were prudent. He said the
introduction of the first controls had been accepted by the scientific
community.
He said that in the 1980s a cult in Orgeon used a bacterium to
spread food poisoning and sabotage elections that threatened them.
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