[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi The Beatles: The Movie

[Paul Mason]

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi  The Beatles: The Movie 
http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2007/03/indian-film-director-mira-nair-is-
to.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: FW: Senate votes

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
  Most people opt for the reduced (75%) 
 monthly payment at age 62, which for most middle-class earners is 
 about $950/month currently -- if you wait til age 70 to start 
 collecting, you get 125% of the amount that you would get if you 
 retired at 66 or 67.

However, if you start collecting early--even though
the monthly amount is less--depending on when you
croak, you may have collected more in total than if
you started later.

[FairfieldLife] The Universe for Dummies?

[authfriend]

Really, really good article in today's NY Times
magazine on current cosmological theory, just
beautifully written.  Excerpt:

...Since the invention of the telescope four centuries ago, 
astronomers have been able to figure out the workings of the universe 
simply by observing the heavens and applying some math, and vice 
versa. Take the discovery of moons, planets, stars and galaxies, 
apply Newton's laws and you have a universe that runs like clockwork. 
Take Einstein's modifications of Newton, apply the discovery of an 
expanding universe and you get the big bang. It's a ridiculously 
simple, intentionally cartoonish picture, [cosmologist Saul] 
Perlmutter said. We're just incredibly lucky that that first try has 
matched so well.

But is our luck about to run out? [Nobel physicist George] Smoot's 
and Perlmutter's work is part of a revolution that has forced their 
colleagues to confront a universe wholly unlike any they have ever 
known, one that is made of only 4 percent of the kind of matter we 
have always assumed it to be — the material that makes up you and me 
and this magazine and all the planets and stars in our galaxy and in 
all 125 billion galaxies beyond. The rest — 96 percent of the 
universe — is ... who knows?

Dark, cosmologists call it, in what could go down in history as the 
ultimate semantic surrender. This is not dark as in distant or 
invisible. This is dark as in unknown for now, and possibly forever.

If so, such a development would presumably not be without 
philosophical consequences of the civilization-altering variety. 
Cosmologists often refer to this possibility as the ultimate 
Copernican revolution: not only are we not at the center of 
anything; we're not even made of the same stuff as most of the rest 
of everything. We're just a bit of pollution, Lawrence M. Krauss, a 
theorist at Case Western Reserve, said not long ago at a public panel 
on cosmology in Chicago. If you got rid of us, and all the stars and 
all the galaxies and all the planets and all the aliens and 
everybody, then the universe would be largely the same. We're 
completely irrelevant.

All well and good. Science is full of homo sapiens-humbling insights. 
But the trade-off for these lessons in insignificance has always been 
that at least now we would have a deeper — simpler — understanding of 
the universe. That the more we could observe, the more we would know. 
But what about the less we could observe? What happens to new 
knowledge then? It's a question cosmologists have been asking 
themselves lately, and it might well be a question we'll all be 
asking ourselves soon, because if they're right, then the time has 
come to rethink a fundamental assumption: When we look up at the 
night sky, we're seeing the universe.

Not so. Not even close



http://tinyurl.com/3bdbd5

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[Richard J. Williams]

jim_flanegin wrote:
 You sound as if you lack experience. From 2001 to 2004, after 
 Bush failed to protect the US and 911 happened, in conjunction 
 with the 'dot com' implosion, over 300,000 jobs were lost in 
 the county I live in. The unemployment rate was about 27%. The
 vacancy rate for office space was 40%. Yes, just like the Great
 Depression, only it wasn't widely reported because everyone else 
 in the country thought that all of us in Silicon Valley were still
 having parties and walking streets of gold. 
 
First, it wasn't Bush's fault that 911 happened. In fact, it was the
previous administration under Bill Clinton that failed to protect the
U.S. from it's enemies. Clinton had the chance to kill Osama bin Laden
but he failed to do so. Clinton let us down big time. The dot com bust
was a result of Clinton and Gore policies - the recession began in the
U.S. under Bill Clinton's administration.

 There was no safety net for most of us, and paying for health care 
 was a luxury, coming well down the list after 'excesses' like food, 
 and electricity. Over half a million people had to move away, 
 uprooting families and causing a lot of pain and dislocation. You 
 have a lot of nerve saying we should not depend on Federal 
 Government, when we all pay high taxes. To say that healthcare is 
 best as a greed driven system is ludicrous. The system is broken.

Most people don't pay any taxes, Jim. Poor people get an earned income
credit, married people get to pay a joint return, and families get
lots of exemptions. Most of the payroll taxes in the U.S. are paid by
the wealthy. 

Yes, the U.S. system of federal entitlements is broken. The best
system of healthcare is the free enterprise system. I'm not in favor
of government free clinics and handouts. The best system is universal
employment so that everyone can choose the doctor of their choice and
pay their own way.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Universe for Dummies?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Really, really good article in today's NY Times
 magazine on current cosmological theory, just
 beautifully written.  Excerpt:
 
[...]
 All well and good. Science is full of homo sapiens-humbling insights. 
 But the trade-off for these lessons in insignificance has always been 
 that at least now we would have a deeper — simpler — understanding of 
 the universe. That the more we could observe, the more we would know. 
 But what about the less we could observe? What happens to new 
 knowledge then? It's a question cosmologists have been asking 
 themselves lately, and it might well be a question we'll all be 
 asking ourselves soon, because if they're right, then the time has 
 come to rethink a fundamental assumption: When we look up at the 
 night sky, we're seeing the universe.
 
 Not so. Not even close
 
 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/3bdbd5


John Hagelin has been obsessed with dark matter and dark energy for quite some 
time 
now. He's convinced that our higher self is composed of this kind of stuff.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 First, it wasn't Bush's fault that 911 happened. In fact,
 it was the previous administration under Bill Clinton that
 failed to protect the U.S. from it's enemies.

The *fact* is that Clinton did *far* more than
Bush to attempt to protect the U.S. from terrorism.
Clinton was obsessed with the threat.  Bush ignored
it.

[FairfieldLife] Mind vs. Brain

[authfriend]

In an article in the NY Times magazine today
about the growing role that neuroscience is
playing in law, Stephen J. Morse, professor
of law and psychiatry at the University of 
Pennsylvania, is quoted as saying:

I'm a thoroughgoing materialist, who believes
that all mental and behavioral activity is the
causal product of physical events in the brain.

Fair enough.  But he's also quoted as follows: 

Suppose neuroscience could reveal that reason
actually plays no role in determining human
behaviorSuppose I could show you that your
intentions and your reasons for your actions
are post hoc rationalizations that somehow
your brain generates to explain to you what
your brain has already done without your
conscious participation.

Who is the you to whom the brain is
purportedly offering this explaination?

Who is the you who is not consciously
participating in what the brain generates?

Don't Morse's references to this mysterious
you constitute an implicit recognition
that there's *more* to mind than brain,
contradicting his thoroughgoing
materialist self-characterization?

Maybe he was just speaking imprecisely to
make a point.  And without your conscious
participation is the article writer's
contribution, possibly a clumsy paraphrase
of something Morse went on to say to clarify
the quoted statement.

But I'm intrigued.  I've seen this sort of
apparent contradiction from materialists
before, as if some part of them *knew* there
was a you that isn't encompassed by brain
but had simply excluded it from their
theorizing, only to let it slip out in
unguarded moments.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[Richard J. Williams]

  Apparently you didn't have any dental insurance 
  with your employer.
 
Bhairitu wrote:   
 I have a dental plan but not a very good one.

So, you don't have a good dental plan with your employer.

  Not all dentists are black devils, Barry, or even criminals. 
 
 I'm not talking about dentists...

Who are you to be calling anyone a black devil raskasas asura, dentist
or not? From what I've read, you're the Kali devotee. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Let This Nutcase Out?

[Richard J. Williams]

authfriend wrote:
 Well, I mean, what are women for if not to supply
 the military with cannon fodder and industry with
 cheap labor?  If they won't do it by choice, we
 should just force them to do their duty to society.

So, you're saying that the U.S. military is cannon fodder? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[Lsoma]

 
In a message dated 3/11/2007 2:46:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 
 
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
,  Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Mar 10,  2007, at 4:21 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
 
  Dr. Hagelin's  school:
 
  _http://www.maharishhttp://www.maharhttp://_ 
(http://www.maharishicentraluniversity.org/) 
  
 
 From the website:
 This Unified Field is the  unified source of all the diverse laws of 
 nature governing the  universe. All the laws of physics, physiology, 
 chemistry, and all the  physical sciences can be rigorously derived 
 from the Lagrangian,  above. This derivation begins with the Fock 
 Space Representation  Equation:

Wait a minute...I haven't been following this 
thread, but  who is it that's trying to Fock 
the Space Representatives. Should Lou  and
Nablus be notified?

:-)


 


NOTIFICATION RECIEVED FROM GALACTIC HEADQUARTERS. Just a note: Dr John  
Haglin appears to
be bored out of his head and has decided to open a University based on his  
complete bored mind over the last 20 years or so of his life. Caught up in the  
thought forms of his training from MMY, we as the volunteers of the galactic  
council have lost hope that he is concerned for the world. He is certainly  
concerned with the highly educated and those who have money to pay to go to his 
 private perfect school for those who are above everyone else. Such a false 
sense  of self can only lead to more false perceptions of world peace. Maybe he 
should  spend more time on human interaction with the already (what is left 
over)  meditators and Sidha's to complete the goal of the ME. After all, if we 
are ever  going to get one percent of people meditating then the TMO which Dr. 
John Haglin  works for, should consider a more expanded version of the heart 
center which  would include compassion and sympathetic understanding as a part 
of the perfect  golden supreme model of enlightenment. To think all of the 
years he has worked  and the end result is he is kissing the ass of the upper 
class which has no  future when the Intergalactic Confederation lands its ships 
in Fairfield Iowa to  show the Human race how caught up it is in the service 
to one's little, bounded  EGO. I wish him the best
of luck. Love and Light. Lou Valentino. Volunteer of the Intergalactic  
Confederation from the 4th level of the sixth dimension. Jai Guru Deva. 
BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free 
email to everyone.  Find out more about what's free from AOL at 
http://www.aol.com.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A really silly comment......by none other than Mr. Knapp LSGM

[Richard J. Williams]

Judy Stein wrote: 
 Actually, as Willytex knows, Steve Perino (ColdBluIce)
 wrote this:
 
Actually, Willytex knows that Judy Stein wrote this:

Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
From: Judy Stein
Date: 2000/07/26
Subject: Re: Avatar Buddh
http://tinyurl.com/2c6eyl

The reservation of this path for renunciates is exactly what Maharishi
is objecting to, what he says is a misrepresentation of what Shankara
taught.  Swaroopanand teaches only Ishtadevata meditation to
householders because he considers the other path too difficult.
 
  Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
  From: Judy Stein
  Date: 2000/07/26
  Subject: Soma Yog/Ayerved
  http://tinyurl.com/2c6eyl
  
  Swaroopanand teaches only Ishtadevata meditation to householders
  because he considers the other path too difficult.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[Sal Sunshine]

On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 3/11/2007 2:46:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Mar 10, 2007, at 4:21 PM, bob_brigante wrote:

  Dr. Hagelin's school:
 
  http://www.maharishicentraluniversity.org/
 

 From the website:
 This Unified Field is the unified source of all the diverse laws of
 nature governing the universe. All the laws of physics, physiology,
 chemistry, and all the physical sciences can be rigorously derived
 from the Lagrangian, above. This derivation begins with the Fock
 Space Representation Equation:

Wait a minute...I haven't been following this
thread, but who is it that's trying to Fock
the Space Representatives. Should Lou and
Nablus be notified?

:-)


NOTIFICATION RECIEVED FROM GALACTIC HEADQUARTERS. Just a note: Dr 
John Haglin appears to
be bored out of his head and has decided to open a University based on 
his complete bored mind over the last 20 years or so of his life. 
Caught up in the thought forms of his training from MMY, we as the 
volunteers of the galactic council have lost hope that he is concerned 
for the world. He is certainly concerned with the highly educated and 
those who have money to pay to go to his private perfect school for 
those who are above everyone else. Such a false sense of self can only 
lead to more false perceptions of world peace. Maybe he should spend 
more time on human interaction with the already (what is left over) 
meditators and Sidha's to complete the goal of the ME. After all, if 
we are ever going to get one percent of people meditating then the TMO 
which Dr. John Haglin works for, should consider a more expanded 
version of the heart center which would include compassion and 
sympathetic understanding as a part of the perfect golden supreme 
model of enlightenment. To think all of the years he has worked and 
the end result is he is kissing the ass of the upper class which has 
no future when the Intergalactic Confederation lands its ships in 
Fairfield Iowa to show the Human race how caught up it is in the 
service to one's little, bounded EGO. I wish him the best
of luck. Love and Light. Lou Valentino. Volunteer of the Intergalactic 
Confederation from the 4th level of the sixth dimension. Jai Guru 
Deva.




Not bad, Lou.  I guess it's time and we can finally remove that chip we 
installed in your brain to help you think more clearly.  :)


Sal

RE: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi by himself outshines any roomful of the world's greatest individuals

[llundrub]

I've never come close to meeting something as important as the yoni - Kirk

John Haeglen when to himself outshines any roomful of the Greatest
Maharishis - Kirk

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Jonathan Chadwick
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 2:59 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi by himself outshines any roomful of the
world's greatest individuals

 

I've never come close to meeting someone as important to me as Maharishi
--David Lynch

 

Maharishi by himself outshines any roomful of the world's greatest
individuals  --John Hagelin

 

Statemants made on the Maharishi Channel 3:30 p.m. EST 10 March 2007 

 

These are two guys I respect alot.  I've never met Lynch but John has always
seemed genuine to me.  He's a good guy.  So what's up with these comments?
These men don't need anybody to worship (one wouldn't think).  Some of you
have spent alot of time around M.  What accounts for the likes of Dr.
Hagelin and Mr. Lynch feeling to such extremes?  Both are very smart and
talented, not to mention interesting (especially David) and highly
educated/imformed (especially John), people. Thanks in advance for any
imput.

Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

sparaig wrote: 
There are alternate spellings of Jyotirmath, you know.
There is Joshimutt, and Jyotirmath, and Jyotishpeeth as well.
However, in a Google searche of Shankaracharya there are very few
mentions of the Maharishi or the TMO. 

FYI for interested readers: There is a wealth of information about
Maharishi's relationship to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath on Usenet.

Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
From: Richard Williams
Date: 7 Jun 2005 22:20:39
Subject: THE Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath
http://tinyurl.com/38z92g

William Cenkner, the author of the scholarly work, 'Shankara and the
Jagadgurus Today', makes the point that the successor of Swami
Brahmanada is Swami Shantanand and he describes the the Dasanami
tradition in some detail. 

Shankaracharya:
http://tinyurl.com/2agcuz

The latest news about the current Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, Swami
Vasudevanand Saraswati:

'Sects take place of religion: Shankaracharya'
Central Chronicle, Thursday March 1, 2007
http://www.centralchronicle.com/20070301/0103102.htm

Jagatguru Shankaracharya Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati said that we
should give our identity as unity in adversity.

 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[Richard J. Williams]

  First, it wasn't Bush's fault that 911 happened. In fact,
  it was the previous administration under Bill Clinton that
  failed to protect the U.S. from it's enemies.
 
jstein wrote:
 The *fact* is that Clinton did *far* more than
 Bush to attempt to protect the U.S. from terrorism.
 Clinton was obsessed with the threat.  Bush ignored
 it.

The *fact* is that Bill Clinton failed to protect the U.S. from the
terrorist on 911. Clinton had eight years to kill Osama bin Laden and
the fact is that he failed to do so. All Clinton did to kill bin Laden
was to blow up a soap factory and kill a camel inside a shed. Clinton
let us down big time. That's what I think. 

Bin Laden is alive today because Mr. Clinton, Mr. Sandy Berger, and
Mr. Richard Clarke refused to kill him. - Michael Scheuer

Read more:

'CBS Analyst Blames Clinton for bin Laden Failures'
Posted by Michael Rule:
http://newsbusters.org/node/7871

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi by himself outshines any roomful of the world'...

[Lsoma]

 
In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:46:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 
 
 
I’ve never  come close to meeting something as important as the yoni –  Kirk 
John Haeglen  when to himself outshines any roomful of the Greatest 
Maharishis -  Kirk 
 
 
From: FairfieldLife@ FairfieldLi FairfieldLife@WBRyahoogr FairfieldLife@ 
FairOn Behalf Of Jonathan  Chadwick
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 2:59 PM
To:  FairfieldLife@  Fairfie  
Subject: [FairfieldLife]  Maharishi by himself outshines any roomful of the 
world's greatest  individuals

 
I've never come close to meeting someone as important to  me as Maharishi 
--David Lynch
 

 
Maharishi by himself outshines any roomful of the world's  greatest 
individuals  --John Hagelin
 

 
Statemants made on the Maharishi Channel 3:30 p.m. EST 10  March 2007 
 

 
These are two guys I respect alot.  I've never met  Lynch but John has always 
seemed genuine to me.  He's a good  guy.  So what's up with these comments?  
These men don't need  anybody to worship (one wouldn't think).  Some of you 
have spent alot of  time around M.  What accounts for the likes of Dr. Hagelin  
and Mr. Lynch feeling to such extremes?  Both  are very smart and talented, 
not to mention interesting (especially  David) and highly educated/imformed 
(especially John), people. Thanks in  advance for any imput.  
 Having a highly educated mind does not make one  important. Dr. John Haglin 
seems to be a very nice person but he and MMY have  done very little to mend 
the tension that has built up between the TMO and  other affilitated spiritual 
organizations in Fairfield Iowa. What good is all  of the new peace palaces 
and universities if they continue to treat people who  do not conform to their 
guiedlines as outcasts. Sidha's who visit other  teachers are thrown out of 
the dome and meditators are treated with a less  than additude if they don't 
participate in the Sidhi's program. Dr. John  Haglin has said in writing that 
he 
wants all Sidha's in the dome to  participate in the American Invincilbe 
course. I was turned down because of  the website _Astrological  Varieties_ 
(http://www.yogavisionaries.com/) . I am a certified Yoga instructor and 
astrological 
reader and  teach my own form of meditation. I have never been truned away 
from anyone  else. No other teacher and the Hindu Temple I visit weekly never 
has turned me  away because I practice the TM and TM-Sidhi's course exactly the 
way MMY and  his teachers have taught me. I wrote to Dr. John Haglin and left 
a message  with his secretary a few months ago and he never returned the call. 
If Dr.  John Haglin says he wants Sidha's to fly in the dome then he needs to 
put some  attention on why the guidelines are so conservative and talk with 
MMY about  this. Highly educated and does a great job of working with the TMO 
but he has  failed to create the ME along with Bevan Morris because of their 
highly  educated conservative aproach. Anyway, since the TMO will not change 
other  teachers are accomidating those Sidha's and meditators who have been 
turned  away from the vibratinal frequencies of the TMO. Sincerely, Lou 
Valentino. 
A  citizen Sidha over the last 29 years and continued practionor of the TM and 
 TM-Sidhi's program. Graduate of the SCI. Former employeee of MAPI and MIU. 
Jai  Guru Deva.

Richard J. Williams  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
sparaig wrote: 
There are alternate spellings of  Jyotirmath, you know.
There is Joshimutt, and Jyotirmath, and  Jyotishpeeth as well.
However, in a Google searche of Shankaracharya  there are very few
mentions of the Maharishi or the TMO. 

FYI for  interested readers: There is a wealth of information about
Maharishi's  relationship to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath on  Usenet.

Newsgroups: alt.meditation.Newsgroups: al
From:  Richard Williams
Date: 7 Jun 2005 22:20:39
Subject: THE Shankaracharya  of Jyotirmath
_http://tinyurl.http://tin_ (http://tinyurl.com/38z92g) 

William  Cenkner, the author of the scholarly work, 'Shankara and the
Jagadgurus  Today', makes the point that the successor of Swami
Brahmanada is Swami  Shantanand and he describes the the Dasanami
tradition in some detail.  

Shankaracharya:
_http://tinyurl.http://tin_ (http://tinyurl.com/2agcuz) 

The  latest news about the current Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath,  Swami
Vasudevanand Saraswati:

'Sects take place of religion:  Shankaracharya'
Central Chronicle, Thursday March 1, 2007
_http://www.centralchttp://wwhttp://www.cehttp://www._ 
(http://www.centralchronicle.com/20070301/0103102.htm) 

Jagatguru  Shankaracharya Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati said that we
should give our  identity as unity in adversity.


  

 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Universe for Dummies?

[Patrick Gillam]

Along these lines, Judy, did you read The New 
Yorker article about the two philosophers whose 
careers have focused on the mind-body problem?

Two Heads: a marriage devoted to the mind-
body problem, by Larissa MacFarquhar, The 
New Yorker, February 12, 2007.

I tried googling it, but apparently it was not 
included among the articles The New Yorker 
publishes online. I could find blog entries and 
the first 1,000 words, but not the entire 
article.

To be honest, I could not follow most of the 
discussion. From what I could understand, 
there's some overlap between it and the issues below. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Really, really good article in today's NY Times
 magazine on current cosmological theory, just
 beautifully written.  Excerpt:
 
 ...Since the invention of the telescope four centuries ago, 
 astronomers have been able to figure out the workings of the universe 
 simply by observing the heavens and applying some math, and vice 
 versa. Take the discovery of moons, planets, stars and galaxies, 
 apply Newton's laws and you have a universe that runs like clockwork. 
 Take Einstein's modifications of Newton, apply the discovery of an 
 expanding universe and you get the big bang. It's a ridiculously 
 simple, intentionally cartoonish picture, [cosmologist Saul] 
 Perlmutter said. We're just incredibly lucky that that first try has 
 matched so well.
 
 But is our luck about to run out? [Nobel physicist George] Smoot's 
 and Perlmutter's work is part of a revolution that has forced their 
 colleagues to confront a universe wholly unlike any they have ever 
 known, one that is made of only 4 percent of the kind of matter we 
 have always assumed it to be — the material that makes up you and me 
 and this magazine and all the planets and stars in our galaxy and in 
 all 125 billion galaxies beyond. The rest — 96 percent of the 
 universe — is ... who knows?
 
 Dark, cosmologists call it, in what could go down in history as the 
 ultimate semantic surrender. This is not dark as in distant or 
 invisible. This is dark as in unknown for now, and possibly forever.
 
 If so, such a development would presumably not be without 
 philosophical consequences of the civilization-altering variety. 
 Cosmologists often refer to this possibility as the ultimate 
 Copernican revolution: not only are we not at the center of 
 anything; we're not even made of the same stuff as most of the rest 
 of everything. We're just a bit of pollution, Lawrence M. Krauss, a 
 theorist at Case Western Reserve, said not long ago at a public panel 
 on cosmology in Chicago. If you got rid of us, and all the stars and 
 all the galaxies and all the planets and all the aliens and 
 everybody, then the universe would be largely the same. We're 
 completely irrelevant.
 
 All well and good. Science is full of homo sapiens-humbling insights. 
 But the trade-off for these lessons in insignificance has always been 
 that at least now we would have a deeper — simpler — understanding of 
 the universe. That the more we could observe, the more we would know. 
 But what about the less we could observe? What happens to new 
 knowledge then? It's a question cosmologists have been asking 
 themselves lately, and it might well be a question we'll all be 
 asking ourselves soon, because if they're right, then the time has 
 come to rethink a fundamental assumption: When we look up at the 
 night sky, we're seeing the universe.
 
 Not so. Not even close
 
 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/3bdbd5

[FairfieldLife] Just for fun: kaash - aakaash

[cardemaister]

gam (go): aagam (come) :: kaash (shine): aakaash (enihs?)

Dark Matter (aakaasha?) is dark because it enihs-s (shines inward)?

Yeah, rrright!

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of sparaig
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:28 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web
site

 


I've every confidence in John Hagelin's ability to make things work IF IT IS
POSSIBLE. But IS 
it possible? This isn't some monastery. This is a university, and a
university of that size will 
need to provide research facilities commensurate with the kind of faculty
they want to 
attract. 

Talk about your Hard Problems!

I predict it'll be about as successful as his presidential campaigns. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   First, it wasn't Bush's fault that 911 happened. In fact,
   it was the previous administration under Bill Clinton that
   failed to protect the U.S. from it's enemies.
  
 jstein wrote:
  The *fact* is that Clinton did *far* more than
  Bush to attempt to protect the U.S. from terrorism.
  Clinton was obsessed with the threat.  Bush ignored
  it.
 
 The *fact* is that Bill Clinton failed to protect the U.S. from the
 terrorist on 911.

The *fact* is that Clinton did *far* more than
Bush to attempt to protect the U.S. from terrorism.
Clinton was obsessed with the threat.  Bush ignored
it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
 willytex@ wrote:
 snip
  First, it wasn't Bush's fault that 911 happened. In fact,
  it was the previous administration under Bill Clinton that
  failed to protect the U.S. from it's enemies.
 
 The *fact* is that Clinton did *far* more than
 Bush to attempt to protect the U.S. from terrorism.
 Clinton was obsessed with the threat.  Bush ignored
 it.


Bush believed that the real threat was government-sponsored terrorism. Al 
Qaeda's only 
governmental ties of significance were with the Saudis, our allies. Bush 
couldn't see how a 
network of independents could be a threat because Condi couldn't. Condi 
couldn't because 
she was a Cold Warrior. She did her PhD work on Soviet issues.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind vs. Brain

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In an article in the NY Times magazine today
 about the growing role that neuroscience is
 playing in law, Stephen J. Morse, professor
 of law and psychiatry at the University of 
 Pennsylvania, is quoted as saying:
 
 I'm a thoroughgoing materialist, who believes
 that all mental and behavioral activity is the
 causal product of physical events in the brain.
 
 Fair enough.  But he's also quoted as follows: 
 
 Suppose neuroscience could reveal that reason
 actually plays no role in determining human
 behaviorSuppose I could show you that your
 intentions and your reasons for your actions
 are post hoc rationalizations that somehow
 your brain generates to explain to you what
 your brain has already done without your
 conscious participation.
 
 Who is the you to whom the brain is
 purportedly offering this explaination?
 
 Who is the you who is not consciously
 participating in what the brain generates?
 
 Don't Morse's references to this mysterious
 you constitute an implicit recognition
 that there's *more* to mind than brain,
 contradicting his thoroughgoing
 materialist self-characterization?
 
 Maybe he was just speaking imprecisely to
 make a point.  And without your conscious
 participation is the article writer's
 contribution, possibly a clumsy paraphrase
 of something Morse went on to say to clarify
 the quoted statement.
 
 But I'm intrigued.  I've seen this sort of
 apparent contradiction from materialists
 before, as if some part of them *knew* there
 was a you that isn't encompassed by brain
 but had simply excluded it from their
 theorizing, only to let it slip out in
 unguarded moments.


The you that he's referring to is the illusory construct that ties all the 
different behaviors 
and observations together.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Let This Nutcase Out?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 authfriend wrote:
  Well, I mean, what are women for if not to supply
  the military with cannon fodder and industry with
  cheap labor?  If they won't do it by choice, we
  should just force them to do their duty to society.
 
 So, you're saying that the U.S. military is cannon fodder?


Well duh. What do you think cannon fodder is, civilians?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Universe for Dummies?

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Along these lines, Judy, did you read The New 
 Yorker article about the two philosophers whose 
 careers have focused on the mind-body problem?
 
 Two Heads: a marriage devoted to the mind-
 body problem, by Larissa MacFarquhar, The 
 New Yorker, February 12, 2007.
 
 I tried googling it, but apparently it was not 
 included among the articles The New Yorker 
 publishes online. I could find blog entries and 
 the first 1,000 words, but not the entire 
 article.
 
 To be honest, I could not follow most of the 
 discussion. From what I could understand, 
 there's some overlap between it and the issues below. 
 

Are you talking about the Churchlands?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of sparaig
 Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:28 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web
 site
 
  
 
 
 I've every confidence in John Hagelin's ability to make things work IF IT IS
 POSSIBLE. But IS 
 it possible? This isn't some monastery. This is a university, and a
 university of that size will 
 need to provide research facilities commensurate with the kind of faculty
 they want to 
 attract. 
 
 Talk about your Hard Problems!
 
 I predict it'll be about as successful as his presidential campaigns.


Which were quite successful for 3rd party campaigns.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Universe for Dummies?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Along these lines, Judy, did you read The New 
 Yorker article about the two philosophers whose 
 careers have focused on the mind-body problem?
 
 Two Heads: a marriage devoted to the mind-
 body problem, by Larissa MacFarquhar, The 
 New Yorker, February 12, 2007.
 
 I tried googling it, but apparently it was not 
 included among the articles The New Yorker 
 publishes online. I could find blog entries and 
 the first 1,000 words, but not the entire 
 article.
 
 To be honest, I could not follow most of the 
 discussion. From what I could understand, 
 there's some overlap between it and the issues below.

Didn't see it, Patrick.  I did just now find a site
where you can order a copy of it for $12, but if you
couldn't follow it, I doubt I could, so I'm not sure
I want to spend the money, although I'd certainly
like to have a look at it!

(BTW, did you mean to post this in response to my other
post made around the same time, headed Mind vs. Brain?)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  Really, really good article in today's NY Times
  magazine on current cosmological theory, just
  beautifully written.  Excerpt:
snip

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: FW: Senate votes

[Bhairitu]

Welcome to the North American Union.  BTW, how's your Mandarin?  How 
many Ameros to the dollar?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 3/10/07 4:01:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  

 The  following senators voted against making English the official 
 language of  America :

 Akaka  (D-HI)
 Bayh (D-IN)
 Biden (D-DE)
 Bingaman (D-NM)
 Boxer  (D-CA)
 Cantwell (D-WA)
 Clinton (D-NY)
 Dayton (D-MN)
 Dodd (D-CT)
 Domenici  (R-NM)
 Durbin (D-IL)
 Feingold (D-WI)
 Feinstein (D-CA)
 Harkin  (D-IA)
 Inouye (D-HI)
 Jeffords (I-VT)
 Kennedy (D-MA)
 Kerry  (D-MA)
 Kohl (D-WI)
 Lautenberg (D-NJ)
 Leahy (D-VT)
 Levin  (D-MI)
 Lieberman (D-CT)
 Menendez (D-NJ)
 Mikulski (D-MD)
 Murray  (D-WA)
 Obama (D-IL)
 Reed (D-RI)
 Reid (D-NV)
 Salazar  (D-CO)
 Sarbanes (D-MD)
 Schumer (D-NY)
 Stabenow (D-MI)
 Wyden  (D-OR)

 Now, the following are the senators who voted to give illegal  aliens 
 Social Security benefits. They are grouped by home state. If a  state 
 is not listed, there was no voting representative.

 Alaska : Stevens  
  
 (R)
 Arizona : McCain  (R)
 Arkansas : Lincoln (D) Pryor  (D)
 California : Boxer (D) Feinstein  (D)
 Colorado : Salazar (D)
 Connecticut : Dodd (D)  Lieberman (D)
 Delaware : Biden (D) Carper  (D)
 Florida : Martinez (R)
 Hawaii : Akaka (D)  Inouye (D)
 Illinois : Durbin (D) Obama  (D)
 Indiana : Bayh (D) Lugar (R)
 Iowa : Harkin  (D)
 Kansas : Brownback (R)
 Louisiana : Landrieu  (D)
 Maryland : Mikulski (D) Sarbanes  (D)
 Massachusetts : Kennedy (D) Kerry  (D)
 Montana : Baucus (D)
 Nebraska : Hagel  (R)
 Nevada : Reid (D)
 New Jersey : Lautenberg  (D) Menendez (D)
 New  Mexico : Bingaman (D)
 New York : Clinton (D)  Schumer (D)
 North  Dakota : Dorgan (D)
 Ohio : DeWine (R) Voinovich(R)
 Oregon : Wyden  (D)
 Pennsylvania : Specter (R)
 Rhode Island : Chafee  (R) Reed (D)
 South  Carolina : Graham (R)
 South Dakota : Johnson  (D)
 Vermont : Jeffords (I) Leahy  (D)
 Washington : Cantwell (D) Murray  (D)
 West  Virginia: Rockefeller  
 (D),  by Not Voting
 Wisconsin : Feingold (D) Kohl  (D)

 SEND THIS TO ALL YOU KNOW. THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE UNITED  STATES 
 NEEDS TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION, UNLESS THEY DON'T MIND SHARING  THEIR 
 SOCIAL SECURITY WITH FOREIGN WORKERS WHO DIDN'T PAY IN A  DIME.
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind vs. Brain

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  In an article in the NY Times magazine today
  about the growing role that neuroscience is
  playing in law, Stephen J. Morse, professor
  of law and psychiatry at the University of 
  Pennsylvania, is quoted as saying:
  
  I'm a thoroughgoing materialist, who believes
  that all mental and behavioral activity is the
  causal product of physical events in the brain.
  
  Fair enough.  But he's also quoted as follows: 
  
  Suppose neuroscience could reveal that reason
  actually plays no role in determining human
  behaviorSuppose I could show you that your
  intentions and your reasons for your actions
  are post hoc rationalizations that somehow
  your brain generates to explain to you what
  your brain has already done without your
  conscious participation.
  
  Who is the you to whom the brain is
  purportedly offering this explaination?
  
  Who is the you who is not consciously
  participating in what the brain generates?
  
  Don't Morse's references to this mysterious
  you constitute an implicit recognition
  that there's *more* to mind than brain,
  contradicting his thoroughgoing
  materialist self-characterization?
  
  Maybe he was just speaking imprecisely to
  make a point.  And without your conscious
  participation is the article writer's
  contribution, possibly a clumsy paraphrase
  of something Morse went on to say to clarify
  the quoted statement.
  
  But I'm intrigued.  I've seen this sort of
  apparent contradiction from materialists
  before, as if some part of them *knew* there
  was a you that isn't encompassed by brain
  but had simply excluded it from their
  theorizing, only to let it slip out in
  unguarded moments.
 
 The you that he's referring to is the illusory
 construct that ties all the different behaviors 
 and observations together.

But that would also be something the brain does,
according to his first statement.

I'm reminded of the story Francis Crick told,
before he went over to the Dark Side, about the
woman who told him she didn't understand what
was so problematic about consciousness.  He
asked her what her mental image was of what went
on in the brain, and she told him she imagined
it was something like a little television set.

And who, he asked her, is watching it?

He says she then saw the problem immediately.

Morse has the television set all nailed down,
but it hasn't yet occurred to him to wonder
who's watching it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind vs. Brain

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   In an article in the NY Times magazine today
   about the growing role that neuroscience is
   playing in law, Stephen J. Morse, professor
   of law and psychiatry at the University of 
   Pennsylvania, is quoted as saying:
   
   I'm a thoroughgoing materialist, who believes
   that all mental and behavioral activity is the
   causal product of physical events in the brain.
   
   Fair enough.  But he's also quoted as follows: 
   
   Suppose neuroscience could reveal that reason
   actually plays no role in determining human
   behaviorSuppose I could show you that your
   intentions and your reasons for your actions
   are post hoc rationalizations that somehow
   your brain generates to explain to you what
   your brain has already done without your
   conscious participation.
   
   Who is the you to whom the brain is
   purportedly offering this explaination?
   
   Who is the you who is not consciously
   participating in what the brain generates?
   
   Don't Morse's references to this mysterious
   you constitute an implicit recognition
   that there's *more* to mind than brain,
   contradicting his thoroughgoing
   materialist self-characterization?
   
   Maybe he was just speaking imprecisely to
   make a point.  And without your conscious
   participation is the article writer's
   contribution, possibly a clumsy paraphrase
   of something Morse went on to say to clarify
   the quoted statement.
   
   But I'm intrigued.  I've seen this sort of
   apparent contradiction from materialists
   before, as if some part of them *knew* there
   was a you that isn't encompassed by brain
   but had simply excluded it from their
   theorizing, only to let it slip out in
   unguarded moments.
  
  The you that he's referring to is the illusory
  construct that ties all the different behaviors 
  and observations together.
 
 But that would also be something the brain does,
 according to his first statement.
 
 I'm reminded of the story Francis Crick told,
 before he went over to the Dark Side, about the
 woman who told him she didn't understand what
 was so problematic about consciousness.  He
 asked her what her mental image was of what went
 on in the brain, and she told him she imagined
 it was something like a little television set.
 
 And who, he asked her, is watching it?
 
 He says she then saw the problem immediately.
 
 Morse has the television set all nailed down,
 but it hasn't yet occurred to him to wonder
 who's watching it.


There's no-one watching it. Atman is watchfulness, not watcher.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[Bhairitu]

Richard J. Williams wrote:
 Apparently you didn't have any dental insurance 
 with your employer.

   
 Bhairitu wrote:   
   
 I have a dental plan but not a very good one.

 
 So, you don't have a good dental plan with your employer.

   
 Not all dentists are black devils, Barry, or even criminals. 

   
 I'm not talking about dentists...

 
 Who are you to be calling anyone a black devil raskasas asura, dentist
 or not? From what I've read, you're the Kali devotee. Go figure.
Richard, go write this 100 times on the blackboard and maybe you'll 
remember next time:
Rakshasa: a fiendishly wicked person

(From the Oxford Hindi-English Dictionary)

[FairfieldLife] I Predict 8% More Accidents in the Next Two Weeks

[Bhairitu]

Because of Daylight Saving Time.  That information is from an insurance 
institute as they see this every year when DST goes into effect.  There 
is no corresponding effect in the fall when we go off DST.   I also 
heard on the news yesterday that a study shows it does not really save 
energy.  Probably because it gives those who want to get melanoma faster 
more time to run around in their vehicles.   For astrologers is it as 
pain in the ass because it makes timezones for areas inconsistent.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi The Beatles: The Movie

[peterklutz]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi  The Beatles: The Movie 
 http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2007/03/indian-film-director-mira-nair-is-
 to.html


May you enjoy the same success in your endeavour brownnose your way to
write the script for this film as you have had becoming the TMO's
official biographer.

Not.

[FairfieldLife] Hopeful news on the religious right

[authfriend]

From the L.A. Times this morning:

Evangelicals battle over agenda, environment

By Stephanie Simon
Times Staff Writer

A struggle for control of the evangelical agenda intensified this 
week

A new generation of pastors has expanded the definition of moral 
issues to include not only global warming, but an array of causes. 
Quoting Scripture and invoking Jesus, they're calling for citizenship 
for illegal immigrants, universal healthcare and caps on carbon 
emissions

The renewed debate on moral priorities came as the National Assn. of 
Evangelicals — which represents 45,000 churches and 30 million 
Christians — gathered for a board meeting Friday in Eden Prairie, 
Minn.

The board...appeared to embrace a broad view of the evangelical 
agenda, endorsing a sweeping human rights declaration. 

The board also reaffirmed its support for a 2004 Call to Civic 
Responsibility that urged evangelical engagement on seven key issues, 
including religious freedom, the sanctity of life, justice for the 
poor, and environmental protection

[Rev. Jim Wallis] and others have sought to re-brand traditional 
slogans of the religious right, such as pro-life, to encompass a 
range of programs, from working with AIDS victims in Africa to 
helping illegal immigrants achieve legal status so they can continue 
to live with their U.S.-born children. 

The Rev. Jim Ball, president of the Evangelical Environmental 
Network, has worked global warming into his definition of pro-life; 
he argues reducing carbon emissions will cut back on air and water 
pollution and that in turn will improve the health of pregnant women 
and unborn generations.

We're saying we can be pro-life and take care of global warming, 
Bal said. There's a strong connection there

[Randall] Balmer], [a Columbia University] religion professor, says 
he senses an unstoppable momentum for the new generation of social-
justice evangelicals. But though he criticizes the traditionalists 
for moral myopia, he's not willing to write them off yet

They're still very powerful, Balmer said. And they're not giving 
up.

http://tinyurl.com/2zugca

[FairfieldLife] An Open Letter to Curtis

[TurquoiseB]

Curtis, I'm kinda writing this to you because I
think you'll understand. Today was sort of a Bad
Day. It started with me logging on to an Internet
discussion forum (not this one) and finding some-
one I actually know talking about the problem of
illegal immigration in the United States.

This fellow was born with a silver spoon in his
mouth. He was educated at all the best prep schools
and then his parents paid for him to go to MIT, 
where he studied math and computer science and 
artificial intelligence. He almost certainly makes
over $200K a year in the latter field. And he calls
himself a Buddhist, because he studied for years 
with the same Rama fellow that I did, and Rama 
called what he taught in his last years Buddhism. 
(It wasn't.)

And so what this guy is spending his time doing 
these days is lobbying for stiffer laws against 
illegal immigration. What he wants to do is round 
everyone up, put them in confinement camps until 
transportation arrives, and then send them all back 
where they came from. He has very logical reasons 
for doing this, and is willing to expound upon them 
ad nauseum.

It's disheartening, dude. Like you, I've sat down
and had long conversations with common folk,
many of whom were illegal immigrants to the US or
France. During my lifetime I have had conversations
with bums, with whores and pimps, with a murderer
(who was a TMer, by the way), with atheists and
with total materialists. Not ONE of them was any
less spiritual than any of the spiritual people
I've met in over 40 years of spiritual seeking. And
to be honest, most of them were nicer people than
the people I know who consider themselves spiritual.

The teachers that many of these spiritual people 
revere taught compassion, and performing good works
for those less fortunate than you are. Wasn't it
Jesus who said something about a man being measured
by the way he treats the least among us?

All this talk, talk, talk on Internet spiritual forums
about how highly evolved we are, and how special we
are, and how much we're doing for the world just by,
well, being US. And then I read something like what
I read this morning coming from one of these special,
highly-evolved people. And then I think about the 
illegal aliens and the bums and the pimps and the 
whores and the murderer and the atheists and the 
materialists I've talked with, and I remember how 
they walked the walk of *their* lives, and I just 
shake my head in wonder.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's really a
pleasure to encounter someone like you -- and a few 
others on this forum -- who actually seem to walk the
walk of their talk.

[FairfieldLife] The Right Angle

[authfriend]

Via Andrew Sullivan:

http://feelbetteraboutthings.com/angle.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hopeful news on the religious right

[TurquoiseB]

Good to hear, especially today.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From the L.A. Times this morning:
 
 Evangelicals battle over agenda, environment
 
 By Stephanie Simon
 Times Staff Writer
 
 A struggle for control of the evangelical agenda intensified this 
 week
 
 A new generation of pastors has expanded the definition of moral 
 issues to include not only global warming, but an array of causes. 
 Quoting Scripture and invoking Jesus, they're calling for citizenship 
 for illegal immigrants, universal healthcare and caps on carbon 
 emissions
 
 The renewed debate on moral priorities came as the National Assn. of 
 Evangelicals — which represents 45,000 churches and 30 million 
 Christians — gathered for a board meeting Friday in Eden Prairie, 
 Minn.
 
 The board...appeared to embrace a broad view of the evangelical 
 agenda, endorsing a sweeping human rights declaration. 
 
 The board also reaffirmed its support for a 2004 Call to Civic 
 Responsibility that urged evangelical engagement on seven key issues, 
 including religious freedom, the sanctity of life, justice for the 
 poor, and environmental protection
 
 [Rev. Jim Wallis] and others have sought to re-brand traditional 
 slogans of the religious right, such as pro-life, to encompass a 
 range of programs, from working with AIDS victims in Africa to 
 helping illegal immigrants achieve legal status so they can continue 
 to live with their U.S.-born children. 
 
 The Rev. Jim Ball, president of the Evangelical Environmental 
 Network, has worked global warming into his definition of pro-life; 
 he argues reducing carbon emissions will cut back on air and water 
 pollution and that in turn will improve the health of pregnant women 
 and unborn generations.
 
 We're saying we can be pro-life and take care of global warming, 
 Bal said. There's a strong connection there
 
 [Randall] Balmer], [a Columbia University] religion professor, says 
 he senses an unstoppable momentum for the new generation of social-
 justice evangelicals. But though he criticizes the traditionalists 
 for moral myopia, he's not willing to write them off yet
 
 They're still very powerful, Balmer said. And they're not giving 
 up.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2zugca

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 It's disheartening, dude. Like you, I've sat down
 and had long conversations with common folk,
 many of whom were illegal immigrants to the US or
 France. During my lifetime I have had conversations
 with bums, with whores and pimps, with a murderer
 (who was a TMer, by the way), with atheists and
 with total materialists. Not ONE of them was any
 less spiritual than any of the spiritual people
 I've met in over 40 years of spiritual seeking. And
 to be honest, most of them were nicer people than
 the people I know who consider themselves spiritual.

Are you, do you think, a nicer person than the
people you know who consider themselves spiritual,
Barry?

snip
 Wasn't it Jesus who said something about a man
 being measured by the way he treats the least
 among us?

He also said, And whosoever shall exalt himself
shall be humbled.

I'm not sure you'd want to be measured by how you
treat people, actually.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: FW: Senate votes

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
   
 
In a message dated 3/10/07 4:01:32 P.M. Central Standard 
Time,  
eflood@ writes:

 
Now, the following are the senators who voted to give 
illegal  
  aliens 
Social Security benefits. They are grouped by home state. If 
a  
  state 
is not listed, there was no voting representative.
   
   
   You're aware that you don't get SS benefits unless you paid 
into 
  the system, right?
  
 
 
  Can anyone enlighten me as to what exactly would a person get 
from 
  SS, if lets say, they paid into it for 20 years? How much does 
the 
  average Joe get at the end of all that, and what else do they get?
  
  From a Brit...lost in America.
  
  OffWorld
 
 
 *
 
 One is eligible for Social Security payments if they have earned a 
 small amount of money for 40 quarters in a lifetime (and if one has 
 earned nothing, they would be eligible for SSI at age 65 just by 
 virtue of being old and poor even if they never paid a dime into 
the 
 system). Social Security is canted toward the poor -- it's a safety 
 net, so payments are disportionate, with most of the benefits going 
 to low earners, and less, considering how much they paid in, to the 
 middle and upper classes. Most people opt for the reduced (75%) 
 monthly payment at age 62, which for most middle-class earners is 
 about $950/month currently -- if you wait til age 70 to start 
 collecting, you get 125% of the amount that you would get if you 
 retired at 66 or 67.
 You can figure all your future payments from calculators at the SS 
 site.  http://www.ssa.gov/planners/calculators.htm

Hmm, seems like a waste of time. 

Thanks


 Regarding undocumented aliens collecting Social Security, they are 
 currently paying about $7 billion a year into the Social Security 
 system, with no possibility of getting paid at retirement because 
 they are not legal residents. It's only fair that people who are 
 paying taxes should get some benefits, but in the current political 
 climate, it's unlikely that Congress is going to have the guts to 
pay 
 out to these workers who are participating in the American economy 
 regardless of whether they have the proper papers or not (the 
Senate 
 OKed payments to illegals on a close vote, but the House likely 
will 
 not).
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html
 
 http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060518-114132-2456r.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis

[peterklutz]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[snip]

 During my lifetime I have had conversations
 with bums, with whores and pimps, with a murderer
 (who was a TMer, by the way), with atheists and
 with total materialists. Not ONE of them was any
 less spiritual than any of the spiritual people
 I've met in over 40 years of spiritual seeking. And
 to be honest, most of them were nicer people than
 the people I know who consider themselves spiritual.

I wonder what the editors on this list will make of this oxymoronic
passage? The only TMers that qualify as nice and spiritual are those
that have killed other people?

[snip]

 I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's really a
 pleasure to encounter someone like you -- and a few 
 others on this forum -- who actually seem to walk the
 walk of their talk.

So TB is a man who has walked the walk?

Feel free to enlighten this list how this relates to your stated
penchant for human sacrifices, cannibalism, and other Satanistically
inspired rituals you enjoy?

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Vedic Pandits Coming -- update from Mayor/Raja Wynne's wife

[george_deforest]

 off_world_beings wrote:

 More Vedic Pandits Coming,
 http://mum.edu/TheReview/#4


Pandits coming, help needed

97 pandits are coming! All the pandits to increase our total pandit
numbers to 1050 are already assembled in India and preparing to come.
These are the first of the new wave. MUM is completely full. These and
all the future pandit groups will be residing at the new campus in
Maharishi Vedic City.

There are 30 houses installed and the first public building for dining
and flying will be completed by Monday. More houses are coming for the
next pandit groups. The foundations are in for the Mandap building and
the second dining-flying hall and these will be going up quickly now
that the weather is getting warmer.

Your help is urgently needed this weekend for light work to set-up the
pandit houses. These houses are each for 4 pandits. We need 25 houses
prepared. The houses have already been cleaned at least once.

Projects include distributing all the small items to each house
(linens, irons, wastebaskets, etc.), unwrapping futons, making beds,
final light cleaning, etc.

If you have small tools you could help install brackets for ironing
boards and other small installation projects.

LOCATION: North of 170th St. just west of the Rukmapura Park Hotel.
Enter from Iris Avenue on the North of 170th or enter from the service
road 1/4 mile West of Iris and north of 170th.

FOR ASSIGNMENTS: Building 1A - the SW house. Mac Muehlman.

TIMES: 1:15 TO 4:15 Saturday and Sunday, March 10th and 11th.

AVOID THE MUD: The ground is very muddy, but there are good gravel
roads and walks. Please park and walk only the gravel roads and
walkways. When you enter a house, please leave shoes on the welcome
mat outside.

PLEASE SEND THIS E-MAIL TO YOUR FRIENDS AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME!

Thanks so much for your help.

Jai Guru Dev
Maureen Wynne

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: FW: Senate votes

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
  Most people opt for the reduced (75%) 
  monthly payment at age 62, which for most middle-class earners is 
  about $950/month currently -- if you wait til age 70 to start 
  collecting, you get 125% of the amount that you would get if you 
  retired at 66 or 67.
  You can figure all your future payments from calculators at the 
SS 
  site.  http://www.ssa.gov/planners/calculators.htm
 
 Hmm, seems like a waste of time.

For many people with relatively meager pensions or
savings, it can mean they don't have to struggle
constantly just to get by, having to choose between
food and medication.  And obviously for those without
any retirement funds at all, it's a safety net that
means they aren't going to be paupers when they can
no longer work.

Don't knock it; it's a terrific institution.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Hopeful news on the religious right

[Sal Sunshine]

On Mar 11, 2007, at 3:51 PM, authfriend wrote:


From the L.A. Times this morning:

Evangelicals battle over agenda, environment


Maybe they ought to get together with the guys who wrote the Gay Agenda 
along with the Zionist Agenda bankers and movie producers,  and really 
nail down the plans for world domination.


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hopeful news on the religious right

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Mar 11, 2007, at 3:51 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  From the L.A. Times this morning:
 
  Evangelicals battle over agenda, environment
 
 Maybe they ought to get together with the guys who wrote the Gay 
Agenda 
 along with the Zionist Agenda bankers and movie producers,  and 
really 
 nail down the plans for world domination.

Hmm, did you read the article, or just the headline?

[FairfieldLife] The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Vaj]

A friend sent this to me and I just recently watched it. He believes  
the idea that Global Warming is influenced by humans is a big scam.

And believe it or not, he's supposed to be a scientist. This is a  
program from the British television (channel 4).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Mr. Magoo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A friend sent this to me and I just recently watched it. He believes  
 the idea that Global Warming is influenced by humans is a big scam.
 
 And believe it or not, he's supposed to be a scientist. This is a  
 program from the British television (channel 4).
 
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638

Great Video Vaj!! 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Vaj]

On Mar 11, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


A friend sent this to me and I just recently watched it. He believes
the idea that Global Warming is influenced by humans is a big scam.

And believe it or not, he's supposed to be a scientist. This is a
program from the British television (channel 4).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638


Great Video Vaj!!



You believe what it says?

[FairfieldLife] Mafia behavior noted in birds

[tertonzeno]

Mafia behavior noted in birds

March 5, 2007
Courtesy PNAS
and World Science staff

It's well known that some spe­cies of birds lay their eggs in oth­er 
spe­cies' nests, to force oth­ers to raise their off­spring. 

Now, re­search­ers have iden­ti­fied a new low in the be­hav­ior of some of 
these par­a­site birds: they re­tal­i­ate mafia-style against those that 
re­ject their im­po­si­tion, by ran­sack­ing their nests.

   
 
  A warbler next parasitized with cowbird eggs. (Courtesy PNAS)


--

 
Many spe­cies, no­ta­bly cuck­oos, are brood par­a­sites that lay their 
eggs among un­wit­ting hosts. 

Some of the free­load­ers lay eggs that look like the hosts' eggs, ex­
plain­ing why the hosts ac­cept them. But in oth­er cases, the in­t­rud­
ers' eggs look dra­ma­t­i­cal­ly dif­fer­ent from those of the hosts; this 
is the case with the par­a­sit­ic brown-headed cow­bird. 

That raises the ques­tion of why the vic­tim pa­rents ac­cept the eggs. 
Al­though some of them toss the al­ien eggs from their nest, it hap­pens 
sel­dom enough that the par­a­site strat­e­gy works as a whole.

One ex­pla­na­tion could be that the free­loaders en­force ac­ceptance by 
de­stroy­ing the eggs or nests of hosts that re­ject their eggs. While 
such be­hav­ior has been re­ported in a cuck­oo spe­cies, con­trolled stud­
ies haven't been per­formed, ac­cord­ing to the in­ves­ti­ga­tors in a new 
study, which sought to rem­e­dy this. 

They con­trolled cow­birds' ac­cess to the nest of a host, the war­bler. 
They then ma­nip­u­lat­ed war­blers' re­jection of cow­bird eggs to see the 
con­se­quenc­es. The re­ported re­sults: cow­birds ran­sacked 56 per­cent of 
re­jecter nests, com­pared to just 6 per­cent of ac­cepter nests. 

Ran­sack­ing was­n't lim­it­ed to re­tal­i­a­tory sit­u­a­tions, though. 
Cow­birds 
al­lowed ac­cess to host nests al­so were found to ran­sack one in five 
non-par­a­si­tized nests. This sug­gests cow­birds farm for hosts, de­
stroy­ing war­bler nests so they can lay their eggs af­ter the hosts re­
build, the sci­en­tists ar­gued. Sup­port­ing this no­tion, they added, cow­
birds par­a­si­tized 85 per­cent of re­built nests. 

Over­all, re­jecter war­blers pro­duced few­er off­spring than ac­cepters, 
sug­gest­ing hosts may be bet­ter off in ev­o­lu­tion­ary terms ac­cepting 
cow­bird eggs, the in­ves­ti­ga­tors said.

The re­search, by Jeff Hoo­ver Il­li­nois Nat­u­ral His­to­ry Sur­vey in Cham­
paign, Ill., and Scott K. Rob­in­son of the Flor­i­da Mu­se­um of Nat­u­ral 
His­to­ry in Gaines­ville, Fla., is to ap­pear this week in the ear­ly on­
line edi­tion of the re­search jour­nal Pro­ceed­ings of the Na­tio­n­al Aca­
de­my of Sci­en­ces.


END

--- End forwarded message ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  It's disheartening, dude. Like you, I've sat down
  and had long conversations with common folk,
  many of whom were illegal immigrants to the US or
  France. During my lifetime I have had conversations
  with bums, with whores and pimps, with a murderer
  (who was a TMer, by the way), with atheists and
  with total materialists. Not ONE of them was any
  less spiritual than any of the spiritual people
  I've met in over 40 years of spiritual seeking. And
  to be honest, most of them were nicer people than
  the people I know who consider themselves spiritual.
 
 Are you, do you think, a nicer person than the
 people you know who consider themselves spiritual,
 Barry?
 
 snip
  Wasn't it Jesus who said something about a man
  being measured by the way he treats the least
  among us?
 
 He also said, And whosoever shall exalt himself
 shall be humbled.
 
 I'm not sure you'd want to be measured by how you
 treat people, actually.


My observation is that most people who walk the walk don't advertise about it. 
IOW, for 
every Curtis whom you know about, there's myriad non-Curtises walking the 
walks 
whom you never hear of and WILL never hear of.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A friend sent this to me and I just recently watched it. He believes  
 the idea that Global Warming is influenced by humans is a big scam.
 
 And believe it or not, he's supposed to be a scientist. This is a  
 program from the British television (channel 4).
 
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638


The Royal Society, the national academy of science of the UK and the 
Commonwealth, is 
at the cutting edge of scientific progress.

It supports many top young scientists, engineers and technologists.  It 
influences science 
policy, it debates scientific issues with the public and much more. It is an 
independent, 
charitable body which derives its authoritative status from its 1400 Fellows 
and Foreign 
Members.

The Royal Society's response:



http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/news.asp?id=6089

Latest press releases

The Royal Society's response to the documentary The Great Global Warming 
Swindle

9 Mar 2007

In response to the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle', screened on 
Channel 
4 on Thursday 8 March, Martin Rees, President of the Royal Society, said:
Global temperature is increasing. This warming threatens the future health and 
wellbeing 
of many millions of people throughout the world. This is especially true of 
those in the 
developing countries who are the least able to adapt and who are likely to be 
the worst 
affected. Many factors play a part in global warming but there is significant 
scientific 
evidence that greenhouse gas emissions, particularly CO2, are responsible for 
most of the 
temperature rise. If present trends continue the projected climate change will 
be far 
greater than that already experienced. Greenhouse gas emissions are something 
that we 
can and must take action on.

Scientists will continue to monitor the global climate and the factors which 
influence it. It 
is important that all legitimate potential scientific explanations continue to 
be considered 
and investigated. Debate will continue, and the Royal Society has just hosted a 
two day 
discussion meeting attended by over 300 scientists, but it must not be at the 
expense of 
action. Those who promote fringe scientific views but ignore the weight of 
evidence are 
playing a dangerous game. They run the risk of diverting attention from what we 
can do to 
ensure the world's population has the best possible future.

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis

[curtisdeltablues]

Thanks for the generous spirit of that post Turq.  I think one of the
nicest things you can do for someone is to give them an excellent
reputation to live up to.  Very cool.   I had an outstanding day and
I'll honor your post by describing some of it for you.

Today in Northern Virginia it was Spring for a day.  For the last 10
years or so, I have used such days to play my music in Old Town
Alexandria, on the boardwalk right on the Potomac river down the road
from ol' G. Washington's crib in Mt. Vernon.  I think he is famous for
being on the one dollar bill or something so people around here make a
big fuss over him.  Old Town is an international melting pot of
tourists as well as an upscale Yellow Labrador kind of place.  On days
like today, the board walk is full of our fellow humans strolling in
the beauty and looking for something to do with their kids that
doesn't involve fist fulls of G. Washingtons flying out of their
pockets..  They accept the minor ass whipping of a family feed at Ben
and Jerry's joint and then they enter my world.  I call it my world
because my job is to turn strangers into paying customers within a few
minutes of eye contact.  The set up is that I am playing my bass drum
and hi-hat cymbals to a nice 2/4 rhythm as naturally as a walker's
gait. My National Steel resonator guitar is very loud and I slash the
slide along the stings to find all those in between notes that
bluesmen love.  I have a harp on a rack which I play from the depths
of my diaphragm ( I really should switch to the pill) so it is also
freak'n loud.  On top is what is referred to in Kindergarten as my
outdoor voice, projected out like my heroes did for the sole purpose
of stopping traffic. It used to be hard juggling all this but that was
a long long time ago.  Now it is just like driving my car and talking
on my cell phone.  It all purrs along all on its own and requires a
very small part of my conscious attention.  So what do I do with all
that free awareness?  Here is where it gets interesting.

What I am doing is looking into the eyes of strangers as they walk by.
 For an instant most people will look into my eyes and and express
their appreciation. Girlfriends out with their dudes give me the sly
looks out of his sight at the bawdy lyrics I'm a king bee baby,
buzz'n around your hive, I make good honey baby, why don't you let me
inside.  (Slim Harpo)  By Summer they will all be in tissue paper
dresses.  Older couples who still feel the groove, white, black,
brown, Asian, whitebread, they are all out and about and walking in on
my concert. 

My job is to wink, nod my head, connect with these passers by, and
most of all to get kids to join me by playing maracas.  This is where
social outreach of preserving the blues has one too many drinks with
pure mercenary agenda and they end up at her place with their cloths
off.  At first it was a gimmick for me to get the people to stop and
listen.  Then the kids started teaching me what it is really all
about.  Through the years I have developed a lot of tricks and bits of
business to get a shy kid to join me with the maracas.  I get plenty
of confident kids who come right up, but my personal mission is to get
the shy kid to come up and experience performing.  Sometimes I use the
ruse of spotting a girl in a pink dress and scanning the crowd telling
them that I need one girl in a pink dress to complete the band.  I
look everywhere but where she is until the whole crowd is pointing at
her and she is jumping up and down like she won the lottery.  It is a
magic moment.  The kids shake the maracas along with the song and they
really open up.  In between verses I talk with them and build trust so
that at the end of the song I can ask them all (it can be up to 20
kids) to hold the maracas over their heads while they jump up and
down.  In this finale I play a very fast shuffle and go wild on the
harp.  Every kid jumping up and down looks like they are selling soap,
big big smile, face lit up with joy, and then I shift my attention
back to the crowd and watch it spread through the adults.  A yagya of
pure joy and happiness with a bunch of strangers, a shared moment that
all comes back to me.  In the end I point to the kids and ask the
audience to give my percussion section a big hand and the kids look
out at an audience clapping for them.  Each kid hands me their maraca
and I give them a high five telling each one you are good at music
as our hands connect.  Then the parent's dollars start flowing... I
repeat this miracle for four hours, till my lips are chapped from my
harp, and I just can't push my voice out at that volume any more. I
earn more dollars than any local club pays, and sold a bunch of CDs to
people who often show up at my club gigs requesting specific songs. 
It ain't VH1 fame, but it totally kicks ass for me!

I come home physically tired but my heart feels like I have taken 2
hits of Amsterdam's finest ecstasy.  I picked up a nice hunk of Salmon
on my way home, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of sparaig
 Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:28 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement 
to web
 site
 
  
 
 
 I've every confidence in John Hagelin's ability to make things work 
IF IT IS
 POSSIBLE. But IS 
 it possible? This isn't some monastery. This is a university, and a
 university of that size will 
 need to provide research facilities commensurate with the kind of 
faculty
 they want to 
 attract. 
 
 Talk about your Hard Problems!
 


 I predict it'll be about as successful as his presidential 
campaigns.


**

One of the stranger notes in this strange web site is the caution 
that only 500 students can be accommodated at Central University's 
high school -- Hagelin is saying that Central will be built for 
40,000 students, but somehow they can't find room for more than 500 
high schoolers? And how about those stately mansions for intl 
students?
 
**
http://www.maharishicentraluniversity.org/

In addition, the top 50 students from each of the 200 countries of 
the world will come to Maharishi Central University for state-of-the-
art leadership training, and will be housed in stately mansions 
designed like Embassies on beautiful island campuses, nestled amongst 
the 50 state campuses.

**
Affiliated High School
Associated with Maharishi Central University will be an exclusive 
preparatory school, grades 9-12. Designed for the most promising high 
school students from around the country, Maharishi Central University 
High School offers the same profound educational approach, Total 
Knowledge-based curriculum, and state-of-the-art teaching innovations 
as Maharishi Central University. Such an education, particularly at a 
young age, is absolutely unparalleled in its ability to develop the 
full potential of the brain, and thus provides an extraordinary 
educational opportunity for young students with exceptional promise.

Note: Enrollment is, of practical necessity, limited to approximately 
ten students per state, and admission to the School is highly 
competitive.

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis

[curtisdeltablues]

My humble pie is served with the realization that I am not raising
kids.  I suspect all of you guys doing that walk more walk in any
given day than I manage in a month.  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  snip
   It's disheartening, dude. Like you, I've sat down
   and had long conversations with common folk,
   many of whom were illegal immigrants to the US or
   France. During my lifetime I have had conversations
   with bums, with whores and pimps, with a murderer
   (who was a TMer, by the way), with atheists and
   with total materialists. Not ONE of them was any
   less spiritual than any of the spiritual people
   I've met in over 40 years of spiritual seeking. And
   to be honest, most of them were nicer people than
   the people I know who consider themselves spiritual.
  
  Are you, do you think, a nicer person than the
  people you know who consider themselves spiritual,
  Barry?
  
  snip
   Wasn't it Jesus who said something about a man
   being measured by the way he treats the least
   among us?
  
  He also said, And whosoever shall exalt himself
  shall be humbled.
  
  I'm not sure you'd want to be measured by how you
  treat people, actually.
 
 
 My observation is that most people who walk the walk don't advertise
about it. IOW, for 
 every Curtis whom you know about, there's myriad non-Curtises
walking the walks 
 whom you never hear of and WILL never hear of.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[Peter]

The whole thing is just absurd and anyone who
seriously believes that such a project is possible has
spent way too many years drinking the koolaid. That
being said, if you approach your involvement in this
as, on one hand, total absurdity, and on the other
hand, as something your mind can do to break all
bondaries, then fine. It will be your controlled
folly to borrow a term from Carlos Castenada. But
failure to recognize the absurdity of this and to
delude yourself into thinking that it will actually
occur without acknowleding the absurdity of it just
makes your mind and intent very, very weak. Why let
MMY enslave you? Does he have to hammer nails into
your palms to get you to wake-up to your own spiritual
intent?


--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of sparaig
 Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:28 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Central University:
 from announcement to web
 site
 
  
 
 
 I've every confidence in John Hagelin's ability to
 make things work IF IT IS
 POSSIBLE. But IS 
 it possible? This isn't some monastery. This is a
 university, and a
 university of that size will 
 need to provide research facilities commensurate
 with the kind of faculty
 they want to 
 attract. 
 
 Talk about your Hard Problems!
 
 I predict it'll be about as successful as his
 presidential campaigns. 
 
 



 

We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love 
(and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 Affiliated High School
 Associated with Maharishi Central University will be an exclusive 
 preparatory school, grades 9-12. Designed for the most promising high 
 school students from around the country, Maharishi Central University 
 High School offers the same profound educational approach, Total 
 Knowledge-based curriculum, and state-of-the-art teaching innovations 
 as Maharishi Central University. Such an education, particularly at a 
 young age, is absolutely unparalleled in its ability to develop the 
 full potential of the brain, and thus provides an extraordinary 
 educational opportunity for young students with exceptional promise.
 
 Note: Enrollment is, of practical necessity, limited to approximately 
 ten students per state, and admission to the School is highly 
 competitive.


As I already pointed out, the children of the faculty will number in the 
thousands...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 The whole thing is just absurd and anyone who
 seriously believes that such a project is possible has
 spent way too many years drinking the koolaid. That
 being said, if you approach your involvement in this
 as, on one hand, total absurdity, and on the other
 hand, as something your mind can do to break all
 bondaries, then fine. It will be your controlled
 folly to borrow a term from Carlos Castenada. But
 failure to recognize the absurdity of this and to
 delude yourself into thinking that it will actually
 occur without acknowleding the absurdity of it just
 makes your mind and intent very, very weak. Why let
 MMY enslave you? Does he have to hammer nails into
 your palms to get you to wake-up to your own spiritual
 intent?
 
Whad'ya mean? I've already got my ayurvedic mini-fridge, Gita, and 
BackJack loaded into my Honda Prelude!? Its gotta happen! Its just 
gotta!!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
  The whole thing is just absurd and anyone who
  seriously believes that such a project is possible has
  spent way too many years drinking the koolaid. That
  being said, if you approach your involvement in this
  as, on one hand, total absurdity, and on the other
  hand, as something your mind can do to break all
  bondaries, then fine. It will be your controlled
  folly to borrow a term from Carlos Castenada. But
  failure to recognize the absurdity of this and to
  delude yourself into thinking that it will actually
  occur without acknowleding the absurdity of it just
  makes your mind and intent very, very weak. Why let
  MMY enslave you? Does he have to hammer nails into
  your palms to get you to wake-up to your own spiritual
  intent?
  
 Whad'ya mean? I've already got my ayurvedic mini-fridge, Gita, and 
 BackJack loaded into my Honda Prelude!? Its gotta happen! Its just 
 gotta!!!


Hey, I bet on the powerball, http://www.powerball.com, whenever it goes above 
$100 
million. That's odds of 149,000,000:1. I'll pay you a dollar if John doesn't 
get this thing 
built by, say, 2057...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[Peter]

--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  The whole thing is just absurd and anyone who
  seriously believes that such a project is possible
 has
  spent way too many years drinking the koolaid.
 That
  being said, if you approach your involvement in
 this
  as, on one hand, total absurdity, and on the other
  hand, as something your mind can do to break all
  bondaries, then fine. It will be your controlled
  folly to borrow a term from Carlos Castenada. But
  failure to recognize the absurdity of this and to
  delude yourself into thinking that it will
 actually
  occur without acknowleding the absurdity of it
 just
  makes your mind and intent very, very weak. Why
 let
  MMY enslave you? Does he have to hammer nails into
  your palms to get you to wake-up to your own
 spiritual
  intent?
  
 Whad'ya mean? I've already got my ayurvedic
 mini-fridge, Gita, and 
 BackJack loaded into my Honda Prelude!? Its gotta
 happen! Its just 
 gotta!!!

Just don't gas-up yet!


 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 The whole thing is just absurd and anyone who
 seriously believes that such a project is possible has
 spent way too many years drinking the koolaid. That
 being said, if you approach your involvement in this
 as, on one hand, total absurdity, and on the other
 hand, as something your mind can do to break all
 bondaries, then fine.

You have control over action alone, never over
its fruits. Live not for the fruits of action,
nor attach yourself to inaction (Gita, II:47).



 It will be your controlled
 folly to borrow a term from Carlos Castenada. But
 failure to recognize the absurdity of this and to
 delude yourself into thinking that it will actually
 occur without acknowleding the absurdity of it just
 makes your mind and intent very, very weak. Why let
 MMY enslave you? Does he have to hammer nails into
 your palms to get you to wake-up to your own spiritual
 intent?

[FairfieldLife] D'oh (was Re: The Universe for Dummies?)

[Patrick Gillam]

Yes, Judy, I replied to the wrong post. My mind has been absent from my brain 
lately.

Yes, Lawson, the article is about the Churchlands. You acquainted with their 
work?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ 
 wrote:
 
  Along these lines, Judy, did you read The New 
  Yorker article about the two philosophers whose 
  careers have focused on the mind-body problem?
  
  Two Heads: a marriage devoted to the mind-
  body problem, by Larissa MacFarquhar, The 
  New Yorker, February 12, 2007.
  
  I tried googling it, but apparently it was not 
  included among the articles The New Yorker 
  publishes online. I could find blog entries and 
  the first 1,000 words, but not the entire 
  article.
  
  To be honest, I could not follow most of the 
  discussion. From what I could understand, 
  there's some overlap between it and the issues below.
 
 Didn't see it, Patrick.  I did just now find a site
 where you can order a copy of it for $12, but if you
 couldn't follow it, I doubt I could, so I'm not sure
 I want to spend the money, although I'd certainly
 like to have a look at it!
 
 (BTW, did you mean to post this in response to my other
 post made around the same time, headed Mind vs. Brain?)
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   Really, really good article in today's NY Times
   magazine on current cosmological theory, just
   beautifully written.  Excerpt:
 snip

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi by himself outshines any roomful of the world'...

[Jonathan Chadwick]

Lou, thank you for the heartfelt response.  My formal involvement in the 
movment ended before all of what you are talking about came into effect.  I 
remember John during the time when he was still an undergrad.  But I've always 
tried to be supportive/positive about the TMO.  All the organizations I've been 
involved with in my life (including some current ones) are disappointing.  I'm 
glad I got involved with TM and the practice continues to benefit me greatly 
today.  However I never could get Bevan Morris to answer my questions about 
Yagyas.  As I recall, in 1988 he said to me that the movement wasn't really 
involved in them so the question of whether they are religious or not was in 
effect moot as far as the TMO was concerned.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:46:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I’ve never come close to meeting something as important as the 
yoni – Kirk
  John Haeglen when to himself outshines any roomful of the Greatest Maharishis 
- Kirk
  
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
Of Jonathan Chadwick
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 2:59 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi by himself outshines any roomful of the 
world's greatest individuals


  
I've never come close to meeting someone as important to me as Maharishi 
--David Lynch



Maharishi by himself outshines any roomful of the world's greatest 
individuals  --John Hagelin



Statemants made on the Maharishi Channel 3:30 p.m. EST 10 March 2007 



These are two guys I respect alot.  I've never met Lynch but John has 
always seemed genuine to me.  He's a good guy.  So what's up with these 
comments?  These men don't need anybody to worship (one wouldn't think).  Some 
of you have spent alot of time around M.  What accounts for the likes of Dr. 
Hagelin and Mr. Lynch feeling to such extremes?  Both are very smart and 
talented, not to mention interesting (especially David) and highly 
educated/imformed (especially John), people. Thanks in advance for any imput. 
   Having a highly educated mind does not make one important. Dr. John Haglin 
seems to be a very nice person but he and MMY have done very little to mend the 
tension that has built up between the TMO and other affilitated spiritual 
organizations in Fairfield Iowa. What good is all of the new peace palaces and 
universities if they continue to treat people who do not conform to their 
guiedlines as outcasts. Sidha's who visit other teachers are thrown out of the 
dome and meditators are treated with a less than additude if they don't 
participate in the Sidhi's program. Dr. John Haglin has said in writing that he 
wants all Sidha's in the dome to participate in the American Invincilbe course. 
I was turned down because of the website Astrological Varieties. I am a 
certified Yoga instructor and astrological reader and teach my own form of 
meditation. I have never been truned away from anyone else. No other teacher 
and the Hindu Temple I visit weekly never has turned me away
 because I practice the TM and TM-Sidhi's course exactly the way MMY and his 
teachers have taught me. I wrote to Dr. John Haglin and left a message with his 
secretary a few months ago and he never returned the call. If Dr. John Haglin 
says he wants Sidha's to fly in the dome then he needs to put some attention on 
why the guidelines are so conservative and talk with MMY about this. Highly 
educated and does a great job of working with the TMO but he has failed to 
create the ME along with Bevan Morris because of their highly educated 
conservative aproach. Anyway, since the TMO will not change other teachers are 
accomidating those Sidha's and meditators who have been turned away from the 
vibratinal frequencies of the TMO. Sincerely, Lou Valentino. A citizen Sidha 
over the last 29 years and continued practionor of the TM and TM-Sidhi's 
program. Graduate of the SCI. Former employeee of MAPI and MIU. Jai Guru Deva.

Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

sparaig wrote: 
There are alternate spellings of Jyotirmath, you know.
There is Joshimutt, and Jyotirmath, and Jyotishpeeth as well.
However, in a Google searche of Shankaracharya there are very few
mentions of the Maharishi or the TMO. 

FYI for interested readers: There is a wealth of information about
Maharishi's relationship to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath on Usenet.

Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
From: Richard Williams
Date: 7 Jun 2005 22:20:39
Subject: THE Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath
http://tinyurl.com/38z92g

William Cenkner, the author of the scholarly work, 'Shankara and the
Jagadgurus Today', makes the point that the successor of Swami
Brahmanada is Swami Shantanand and he describes the the Dasanami
tradition in some detail. 

Shankaracharya:
http://tinyurl.com/2agcuz

The latest news about the current Shankaracharya 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
  The whole thing is just absurd and anyone who
  seriously believes that such a project is possible has
  spent way too many years drinking the koolaid. That
  being said, if you approach your involvement in this
  as, on one hand, total absurdity, and on the other
  hand, as something your mind can do to break all
  bondaries, then fine.
 
 You have control over action alone, never over
 its fruits. Live not for the fruits of action,
 nor attach yourself to inaction (Gita, II:47).

Also (just saw this one):

Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no 
loss of enthusiasm. (Winston Churchill)



  It will be your controlled
  folly to borrow a term from Carlos Castenada. But
  failure to recognize the absurdity of this and to
  delude yourself into thinking that it will actually
  occur without acknowleding the absurdity of it just
  makes your mind and intent very, very weak. Why let
  MMY enslave you? Does he have to hammer nails into
  your palms to get you to wake-up to your own spiritual
  intent?

[FairfieldLife] D'oh (was Re: The Universe for Dummies?)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Yes, Judy, I replied to the wrong post. My mind has been absent from my brain 
 lately.
 
 Yes, Lawson, the article is about the Churchlands. You acquainted with their 
 work?
 

I've got a couple of their books, yeah. The Churchlands (I think) came up with 
the Chinese 
Gymnasium response to the Chinese Room thought experiment by Searle. They 
debated AI in 
Scientific American in 1990.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
  wrote:
  
   The whole thing is just absurd and anyone who
   seriously believes that such a project is possible has
   spent way too many years drinking the koolaid. That
   being said, if you approach your involvement in this
   as, on one hand, total absurdity, and on the other
   hand, as something your mind can do to break all
   bondaries, then fine. It will be your controlled
   folly to borrow a term from Carlos Castenada. But
   failure to recognize the absurdity of this and to
   delude yourself into thinking that it will actually
   occur without acknowleding the absurdity of it just
   makes your mind and intent very, very weak. Why let
   MMY enslave you? Does he have to hammer nails into
   your palms to get you to wake-up to your own spiritual
   intent?
   
  Whad'ya mean? I've already got my ayurvedic mini-fridge, Gita, 
and 
  BackJack loaded into my Honda Prelude!? Its gotta happen! Its 
just 
  gotta!!!
 
 
 Hey, I bet on the powerball, http://www.powerball.com, whenever it 
goes above $100 
 million. That's odds of 149,000,000:1. I'll pay you a dollar if 
John doesn't get this thing 
 built by, say, 2057...

Its ON!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
  wrote:
  
   The whole thing is just absurd and anyone who
   seriously believes that such a project is possible has
   spent way too many years drinking the koolaid. That
   being said, if you approach your involvement in this
   as, on one hand, total absurdity, and on the other
   hand, as something your mind can do to break all
   bondaries, then fine.
  
  You have control over action alone, never over
  its fruits. Live not for the fruits of action,
  nor attach yourself to inaction (Gita, II:47).
 
 Also (just saw this one):
 
 Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no 
 loss of enthusiasm. (Winston Churchill)
 
Isn't that pretty close to the definition of insanity too (keep 
doing something the same way, expecting a different result)?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
   wrote:
   
The whole thing is just absurd and anyone who
seriously believes that such a project is possible has
spent way too many years drinking the koolaid. That
being said, if you approach your involvement in this
as, on one hand, total absurdity, and on the other
hand, as something your mind can do to break all
bondaries, then fine. It will be your controlled
folly to borrow a term from Carlos Castenada. But
failure to recognize the absurdity of this and to
delude yourself into thinking that it will actually
occur without acknowleding the absurdity of it just
makes your mind and intent very, very weak. Why let
MMY enslave you? Does he have to hammer nails into
your palms to get you to wake-up to your own spiritual
intent?

   Whad'ya mean? I've already got my ayurvedic mini-fridge, Gita, 
 and 
   BackJack loaded into my Honda Prelude!? Its gotta happen! Its 
 just 
   gotta!!!
  
  
  Hey, I bet on the powerball, http://www.powerball.com, whenever it 
 goes above $100 
  million. That's odds of 149,000,000:1. I'll pay you a dollar if 
 John doesn't get this thing 
  built by, say, 2057...
 
 Its ON!


Everyone, you heard him. 50 years from now, if John has not already build his 
40,000 
student university, I owe Jim $1. On the other hand, if John DOES build his 
university, Jim 
owes me $149,000,000

[FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
   wrote:
   
The whole thing is just absurd and anyone who
seriously believes that such a project is possible has
spent way too many years drinking the koolaid. That
being said, if you approach your involvement in this
as, on one hand, total absurdity, and on the other
hand, as something your mind can do to break all
bondaries, then fine.
   
   You have control over action alone, never over
   its fruits. Live not for the fruits of action,
   nor attach yourself to inaction (Gita, II:47).
  
  Also (just saw this one):
  
  Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no 
  loss of enthusiasm. (Winston Churchill)
  
 Isn't that pretty close to the definition of insanity too (keep 
 doing something the same way, expecting a different result)?


Only insane if you keep doing the same failure over and over again.

All new, all improved failures are OK.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
   wrote:
   
The whole thing is just absurd and anyone who
seriously believes that such a project is possible has
spent way too many years drinking the koolaid. That
being said, if you approach your involvement in this
as, on one hand, total absurdity, and on the other
hand, as something your mind can do to break all
bondaries, then fine.
   
   You have control over action alone, never over
   its fruits. Live not for the fruits of action,
   nor attach yourself to inaction (Gita, II:47).
  
  Also (just saw this one):
  
  Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no 
  loss of enthusiasm. (Winston Churchill)
  
 Isn't that pretty close to the definition of insanity too (keep 
 doing something the same way, expecting a different result)?

Gee, not necessarily.  You might be doing it one way,
and when  that fails, rather than giving up, you try
doing it a different way, and so on.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter 
drpetersutphen@ 
wrote:

 The whole thing is just absurd and anyone who
 seriously believes that such a project is possible has
 spent way too many years drinking the koolaid. That
 being said, if you approach your involvement in this
 as, on one hand, total absurdity, and on the other
 hand, as something your mind can do to break all
 bondaries, then fine.

You have control over action alone, never over
its fruits. Live not for the fruits of action,
nor attach yourself to inaction (Gita, II:47).
   
   Also (just saw this one):
   
   Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with 
no 
   loss of enthusiasm. (Winston Churchill)
   
  Isn't that pretty close to the definition of insanity too (keep 
  doing something the same way, expecting a different result)?
 
 Gee, not necessarily.  You might be doing it one way,
 and when  that fails, rather than giving up, you try
 doing it a different way, and so on.

Yep, I know-- been there, done that...Thanks.

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for the generous spirit of that post Turq.  I think one of 
the
 nicest things you can do for someone is to give them an excellent
 reputation to live up to.  Very cool.   I had an outstanding day 
and
 I'll honor your post by describing some of it for you.
 
 Today in Northern Virginia it was Spring for a day.  For the last 
10
 years or so, I have used such days to play my music in Old Town
 Alexandria, on the boardwalk right on the Potomac river down the 
road
 from ol' G. Washington's crib in Mt. Vernon.  I think he is famous 
for
 being on the one dollar bill or something so people around here 
make a
 big fuss over him.  Old Town is an international melting pot of
 tourists as well as an upscale Yellow Labrador kind of place.  On 
days
 like today, the board walk is full of our fellow humans strolling 
in
 the beauty and looking for something to do with their kids that
 doesn't involve fist fulls of G. Washingtons flying out of their
 pockets..  They accept the minor ass whipping of a family feed at 
Ben
 and Jerry's joint and then they enter my world.  I call it my world
 because my job is to turn strangers into paying customers within a 
few
 minutes of eye contact.  The set up is that I am playing my bass 
drum
 and hi-hat cymbals to a nice 2/4 rhythm as naturally as a walker's
 gait. My National Steel resonator guitar is very loud and I slash 
the
 slide along the stings to find all those in between notes that
 bluesmen love.  I have a harp on a rack which I play from the 
depths
 of my diaphragm ( I really should switch to the pill) so it is also
 freak'n loud.  On top is what is referred to in Kindergarten as my
 outdoor voice, projected out like my heroes did for the sole 
purpose
 of stopping traffic. It used to be hard juggling all this but that 
was
 a long long time ago.  Now it is just like driving my car and 
talking
 on my cell phone.  It all purrs along all on its own and requires a
 very small part of my conscious attention.  So what do I do with 
all
 that free awareness?  Here is where it gets interesting.
 
 What I am doing is looking into the eyes of strangers as they walk 
by.
  For an instant most people will look into my eyes and and express
 their appreciation. Girlfriends out with their dudes give me the 
sly
 looks out of his sight at the bawdy lyrics I'm a king bee baby,
 buzz'n around your hive, I make good honey baby, why don't you let 
me
 inside.  (Slim Harpo)  By Summer they will all be in tissue paper
 dresses.  Older couples who still feel the groove, white, black,
 brown, Asian, whitebread, they are all out and about and walking 
in on
 my concert. 
 
 My job is to wink, nod my head, connect with these passers by, and
 most of all to get kids to join me by playing maracas.  This is 
where
 social outreach of preserving the blues has one too many drinks 
with
 pure mercenary agenda and they end up at her place with their 
cloths
 off.  At first it was a gimmick for me to get the people to stop 
and
 listen.  Then the kids started teaching me what it is really all
 about.  Through the years I have developed a lot of tricks and 
bits of
 business to get a shy kid to join me with the maracas.  I get 
plenty
 of confident kids who come right up, but my personal mission is to 
get
 the shy kid to come up and experience performing.  Sometimes I use 
the
 ruse of spotting a girl in a pink dress and scanning the crowd 
telling
 them that I need one girl in a pink dress to complete the band.  I
 look everywhere but where she is until the whole crowd is pointing 
at
 her and she is jumping up and down like she won the lottery.  It 
is a
 magic moment.  The kids shake the maracas along with the song and 
they
 really open up.  In between verses I talk with them and build 
trust so
 that at the end of the song I can ask them all (it can be up to 20
 kids) to hold the maracas over their heads while they jump up and
 down.  In this finale I play a very fast shuffle and go wild on the
 harp.  Every kid jumping up and down looks like they are selling 
soap,
 big big smile, face lit up with joy, and then I shift my attention
 back to the crowd and watch it spread through the adults.  A yagya 
of
 pure joy and happiness with a bunch of strangers, a shared moment 
that
 all comes back to me.  In the end I point to the kids and ask the
 audience to give my percussion section a big hand and the kids look
 out at an audience clapping for them.  Each kid hands me their 
maraca
 and I give them a high five telling each one you are good at 
music
 as our hands connect.  Then the parent's dollars start flowing... I
 repeat this miracle for four hours, till my lips are chapped from 
my
 harp, and I just can't push my voice out at that volume any more. I
 earn more dollars than any local club pays, and sold a bunch of 
CDs to
 people who often show up at my club gigs requesting specific 
songs. 
 It ain't 

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 My humble pie is served with the realization that I am not raising
 kids.  I suspect all of you guys doing that walk more walk in any
 given day than I manage in a month.  

This wasn't meant as a slight against you, but against Barry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis

[curtisdeltablues]

I didn't take it that way.  I was just sending you some props. 
Although I have never regretted my own choice not to raise kids, I
have huge respect for people who do.  Double props if your kid needs
some extra help to make it in the world.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  My humble pie is served with the realization that I am not raising
  kids.  I suspect all of you guys doing that walk more walk in any
  given day than I manage in a month.  
 
 This wasn't meant as a slight against you, but against Barry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 wrote:
 
  I didn't take it that way.  I was just sending you some props. 
  Although I have never regretted my own choice not to raise kids, I
  have huge respect for people who do.  Double props if your kid needs
  some extra help to make it in the world.
  
  
 
 My son should be getting his first paycheck as a TV script-writer next month 
 at the age 
of 
 20. I look at where he is now, and where he was 9 years ago and I'm 
 overwhelmed. 
 
 Maybe I did something right?
 
 Or at least, not too-wrong?


On the other hand, we knew he was something special, even back then:


The Sad Tale of Busty Wusty

Busty Wusty was a cat. 
Busty Wusty had a hat.
Busty Wusty sailed away.
Do you know where he is today?

Dr. Seuss, he may be dead.
His lawyers are still being fed.
Busty Wusty was subpoenaed.
And fed to the lawyers like hyenas.

Busty Wusty, he was tried.
Plagiarism  he denied.
But the lawyers, they were crafty
And the settlement was nasty.

Busty Wusty lost the case.
Mice he could no longer chase.
Although Busty tried and tried.
His settlement was ratified.

Now Busty Wusty is in jail.
Talks with us only through the mail.
How do I know this sad, sad tale?
Guess who has to pay his bail?

--Copyright Phil English, 1996 (age 11).

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis

[curtisdeltablues]

A fitting payback for 20 years of your effort.  That is really cool. 
Not the easiest field to crack, good on him.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  I didn't take it that way.  I was just sending you some props. 
  Although I have never regretted my own choice not to raise kids, I
  have huge respect for people who do.  Double props if your kid needs
  some extra help to make it in the world.
  
  
 
 My son should be getting his first paycheck as a TV script-writer
next month at the age of 
 20. I look at where he is now, and where he was 9 years ago and I'm
overwhelmed. 
 
 Maybe I did something right?
 
 Or at least, not too-wrong?
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
My humble pie is served with the realization that I am not raising
kids.  I suspect all of you guys doing that walk more walk in any
given day than I manage in a month.  
   
   This wasn't meant as a slight against you, but against Barry.
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis

[curtisdeltablues]

That was tight!  Kids got the word talent.  He must have cracked you
up a lot through the years.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   I didn't take it that way.  I was just sending you some props. 
   Although I have never regretted my own choice not to raise kids, I
   have huge respect for people who do.  Double props if your kid needs
   some extra help to make it in the world.
   
   
  
  My son should be getting his first paycheck as a TV script-writer
next month at the age 
 of 
  20. I look at where he is now, and where he was 9 years ago and
I'm overwhelmed. 
  
  Maybe I did something right?
  
  Or at least, not too-wrong?
 
 
 On the other hand, we knew he was something special, even back then:
 
 
 The Sad Tale of Busty Wusty
 
 Busty Wusty was a cat. 
 Busty Wusty had a hat.
 Busty Wusty sailed away.
 Do you know where he is today?
 
 Dr. Seuss, he may be dead.
 His lawyers are still being fed.
 Busty Wusty was subpoenaed.
 And fed to the lawyers like hyenas.
 
 Busty Wusty, he was tried.
 Plagiarism  he denied.
 But the lawyers, they were crafty
 And the settlement was nasty.
 
 Busty Wusty lost the case.
 Mice he could no longer chase.
 Although Busty tried and tried.
 His settlement was ratified.
 
 Now Busty Wusty is in jail.
 Talks with us only through the mail.
 How do I know this sad, sad tale?
 Guess who has to pay his bail?
 
 --Copyright Phil English, 1996 (age 11).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi by himself outshines any roomful of the world'...

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Lou, thank you for the heartfelt response.  My formal involvement 
in the movment ended before all of what you are talking about came 
into effect.  I remember John during the time when he was still an 
undergrad.  But I've always tried to be supportive/positive about the 
TMO.  All the organizations I've been involved with in my life 
(including some current ones) are disappointing.  I'm glad I got 
involved with TM and the practice continues to benefit me greatly 
today.  However I never could get Bevan Morris to answer my questions 
about Yagyas.  As I recall, in 1988 he said to me that the movement 
wasn't really involved in them so the question of whether they 
are religious or not was in effect moot as far as the TMO was 
concerned.


What is your specific question about yagyas?

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[Richard J. Williams]

  So, you're confused. Confused why 81 Demos voted to use 
  force to invade Iraq and unseat Saddam.
 
jstein wrote:
 That isn't what they voted for, as Willytex knows.

Yes they did. The question is why?
 
Why did a majority of Democratic senators — such as Joe Biden,
Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Harry Reid, Jay
Rockefeller, and Chuck Schumer — vote to authorize a war with Iraq on
Oct. 11, 2002? And why is this war now supposedly George Bush's
misfortune and not theirs?

Read more:

'Disingenuous Party'
By Victor Davis Hanson
http://tinyurl.com/37wxcz

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[Richard J. Williams]

jim flanegin wrote:
 It is not called the war against the terrorists by Bush. 

So, Jim, you think we're in a war.

Once Congress has authorized a war, as it did the war in Iraq, the
president's power as commander in chief surely allows him to conduct
the war without being micromanaged from Capitol Hill.

Read more:

'Whose War Powers?'
By Noah Feldman
New York Times Magazine, February 4, 2007
http://tinyurl.com/3x3trz

...authorization of military force in Iraq;

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/16615897.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[Richard J. Williams]

  According to what I've read, Jim, in order to balance the 
  U.S. federal budget, the government would have to raise 
  payroll taxes by 30% and cut all entitlements by 50%.
 
jstein wrote: 
 Or just roll back the gigantic tax cuts for Bush's
 superrich cronies.

Tax cuts were voted on and authorized by the U.S. Congrees. Are you
suggesting that we now raise payroll taxes AND cut entitlements?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   So, you're confused. Confused why 81 Demos voted to use 
   force to invade Iraq and unseat Saddam.
  
 jstein wrote:
  That isn't what they voted for, as Willytex knows.
 
 Yes they did. The question is why?
  
 Why did a majority of Democratic senators — such as Joe Biden,
 Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Harry Reid, Jay
 Rockefeller, and Chuck Schumer — vote to authorize a war with Iraq 
on
 Oct. 11, 2002? And why is this war now supposedly George Bush's
 misfortune and not theirs?
 
 Read more:
 
 'Disingenuous Party'
 By Victor Davis Hanson
 http://tinyurl.com/37wxcz

The Democratic senators were lied to, even in classified briefings, 
and they fell for it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Central University: from announcement to web site

[off_world_beings]

Peter, answer some points for a change instead of barging in like 
some fundamentalist in denial.

The Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Vidya Mandir Trust and the Government of 
Orissa signed a Memorandum of Understanding on December 18, 2006 to 
establish a full-fledged multidisciplinary university near the state 
capital, Bhubaneswar within two or three years. The goal of the 
university would be to provide holistic education that is firmly 
embedded in Indian culture and ethos to the global leaders of 
tomorrow. Admission into the university will be based on merit alone, 
which will be assessed based on an entrance examination. Admission 
into the proposed varsity will be open to Indian as well as foreign 
nationals. It will be designed to cater to the needs of 1,500 faculty 
members, an equal number of non-academic staff members, and 15,000 
students. The proposed university will impart postgraduate education 
in various disciplines to approximately 15,000 Indian and foreign 
students. These disciplines will include both traditional Indian as 
well as modern fields of study.-
wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravi_shankar_university

And so Peter Sutphen is saying that :

anyone who seriously believes that such a project by Sri Sri Ravi 
Shankar is possible has spent way too many years drinking the 
koolaid. That being said, if you approach your involvement in this 
as, on one hand, total absurdity, and on the other hand, as something 
your mind can do to break all boundaries, then fine. It will be 
your controlled folly to borrow a term from Carlos Castenada. But 
failure to recognize the absurdity of this and to delude yourself 
into thinking that it will actually occur without acknowleding the 
absurdity of it just makes your mind and intent very, very weak. Why 
let Sri Sri Ravi Shankar enslave you? Does he have to hammer nails 
into your palms to get you to wake-up to your own spiritual intent?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 The whole thing is just absurd and anyone who
 seriously believes that such a project is possible has
 spent way too many years drinking the koolaid. That
 being said, if you approach your involvement in this
 as, on one hand, total absurdity, and on the other
 hand, as something your mind can do to break all
 bondaries, then fine. It will be your controlled
 folly to borrow a term from Carlos Castenada. But
 failure to recognize the absurdity of this and to
 delude yourself into thinking that it will actually
 occur without acknowleding the absurdity of it just
 makes your mind and intent very, very weak. Why let
 MMY enslave you? Does he have to hammer nails into
 your palms to get you to wake-up to your own spiritual
 intent?
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[Richard J. Williams]

  The *fact* is that Bill Clinton failed to protect the 
  U.S. from the terrorist on 911.
 
jstein wrote: 
 The *fact* is that Clinton did *far* more than
 Bush to attempt to protect the U.S. from terrorism.
 Clinton was obsessed with the threat.  Bush ignored
 it.

The *fact* is that Bill Clinton failed to kill Osama bin Laden and he
failed to prevent the 9/11 attack, according to Michael Scheuer and
the 9/11 commission.

And every time he says what he said to Chris Wallace on Fox, he
defames the CIA especially, and the men and women who risk their lives
to give his administration repeated chances to kill bin Laden. -
Michael Scheuer

The bipartisan 9/11 commission concluded that -- far from doing more
than anyone to kill the brutal murderer who now is the international
face of terrorism -- President Clinton had flatly refused to allow the
military or CIA to kill Usama bin Laden. Clinton's instructions were
that bin Laden should be taken, if at all, alive not dead. CIA
officials reported that this instruction cut the chance of success in
half.

Read more:

'Bill Clinton: Play It As It Lies'
Fox News, Monday, September 25, 2006
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215607,00.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 jim flanegin wrote:
  It is not called the war against the terrorists by Bush. 
 
 So, Jim, you think we're in a war.
 
 Once Congress has authorized a war, as it did the war in Iraq, the
 president's power as commander in chief surely allows him to 
conduct
 the war without being micromanaged from Capitol Hill.
 
 Read more:
 
 'Whose War Powers?'
 By Noah Feldman
 New York Times Magazine, February 4, 2007
 http://tinyurl.com/3x3trz
 
 ...authorization of military force in Iraq;
 
 http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/16615897.htm

Hey you can justify the people of Iraq being blown to bits by our 
weapons all you want...go for it, and sleep soundly. It is absurd to 
even argue the point. You know Maharishi's words pretty well-- he 
says war is obsolete- If you think differently, get a fake ID and 
sign up. Otherwise you are just another cheerleader on the death 
squad.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   The *fact* is that Bill Clinton failed to protect the 
   U.S. from the terrorist on 911.
  
 jstein wrote: 
  The *fact* is that Clinton did *far* more than
  Bush to attempt to protect the U.S. from terrorism.
  Clinton was obsessed with the threat.  Bush ignored
  it.
 
 The *fact* is that Bill Clinton failed to kill Osama bin Laden and 
he
 failed to prevent the 9/11 attack, according to Michael Scheuer and
 the 9/11 commission.
 
 And every time he says what he said to Chris Wallace on Fox, he
 defames the CIA especially, and the men and women who risk their 
lives
 to give his administration repeated chances to kill bin Laden. -
 Michael Scheuer
 
 The bipartisan 9/11 commission concluded that -- far from doing 
more
 than anyone to kill the brutal murderer who now is the 
international
 face of terrorism -- President Clinton had flatly refused to allow 
the
 military or CIA to kill Usama bin Laden. Clinton's instructions 
were
 that bin Laden should be taken, if at all, alive not dead. CIA
 officials reported that this instruction cut the chance of success 
in
 half.
 
 Read more:
 
 'Bill Clinton: Play It As It Lies'
 Fox News, Monday, September 25, 2006
 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215607,00.html

Dream on...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[Richard J. Williams]

sparaig wrote:
 Al Qaeda's only governmental ties of significance were with 
 the Saudis, our allies.

So, you're saying that Al Qaeda had governmental ties with the Saudis,
so the majority of your congressional leaders voted to invade and oust
the Taleban government of Afghanistan. And 81 Dems voted to oust the
government of Saddam Hussien in Iraq. And Bill Clinton bombed a soap
factory in Sudan and killed a camel inside a shed.

I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security. - John
Kerry, October 9, 2002

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[Richard J. Williams]

  From what I've read, you're the Kali devotee.
 
Bhairitu wrote:
 Richard, go write this 100 times on the blackboard and maybe you'll 
 remember next time:

 Rakshasa: a fiendishly wicked person
 
 (From the Oxford Hindi-English Dictionary)

So, you ARE a Kali devotee that calls other people rakshasas. Go figure.

According to the Dictionary of Hinduism, the term 'rakshasa' is a 'devil
spirit' that comes out of the forest at night to wander about in order
to seduce fair-skinned women. The Caucasian Aryans that invaded South
Asia called the dark-skinned Dravidians rakshasa - it's a purely
racist term used against the native inhabitants of India. You should
apologize for using such term against anybody. Go to your room.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[Richard J. Williams]

jim flanegin wrote:
 The Democratic senators were lied to, even in classified 
 briefings, and they fell for it.

So, you're saying, Jim, that all 81 Dem congressmen were lied to, even
in classified briefings, and they fell for it.

There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years... We also should remember we have
always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction. - Senator Jay Rockefeller, October 10, 2002

  Why did a majority of Democratic senators — such as Joe Biden,
  Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Harry Reid, Jay
  Rockefeller, and Chuck Schumer — vote to authorize a war with 
  Iraq on Oct. 11, 2002? And why is this war now supposedly George
  Bush's misfortune and not theirs?
  
  Read more:
  
  'Disingenuous Party'
  By Victor Davis Hanson
  http://tinyurl.com/37wxcz
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[Richard J. Williams]

jim flanegin wrote:
 You know Maharishi's words pretty well...
 
The purpose of the military is to keep war from happening — or to end
it quickly if it does happen. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[Richard J. Williams]

jim flanegin wrote:
 Dream on...

The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi
government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors,
a government that respects the rights of its people. - Bill Clinton

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   So, you're confused. Confused why 81 Demos voted to use 
   force to invade Iraq and unseat Saddam.
  
 jstein wrote:
  That isn't what they voted for, as Willytex knows.
 
 Yes they did. The question is why?

That isn't what they voted for, as Willytex knows.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   According to what I've read, Jim, in order to balance the 
   U.S. federal budget, the government would have to raise 
   payroll taxes by 30% and cut all entitlements by 50%.
  
 jstein wrote: 
  Or just roll back the gigantic tax cuts for Bush's
  superrich cronies.
 
 Tax cuts were voted on and authorized by the U.S. Congrees. Are you
 suggesting that we now raise payroll taxes AND cut entitlements?

I suggest that we roll back the gigantic tax cuts
for Bush's superrich cronies.

Are you having problems reading English?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush's bad ju-ju...

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   The *fact* is that Bill Clinton failed to protect the 
   U.S. from the terrorist on 911.
  
 jstein wrote: 
  The *fact* is that Clinton did *far* more than
  Bush to attempt to protect the U.S. from terrorism.
  Clinton was obsessed with the threat.  Bush ignored
  it.
 
 The *fact* is that Bill Clinton failed to kill Osama bin Laden and 
he
 failed to prevent the 9/11 attack, according to Michael Scheuer and
 the 9/11 commission.

The *fact* is that Clinton did *far* more than
Bush to attempt to protect the U.S. from terrorism.
Clinton was obsessed with the threat.  Bush ignored
it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Open Letter to Curtis

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  snip
   It's disheartening, dude. Like you, I've sat down
   and had long conversations with common folk,
   many of whom were illegal immigrants to the US or
   France. During my lifetime I have had conversations
   with bums, with whores and pimps, with a murderer
   (who was a TMer, by the way), with atheists and
   with total materialists. Not ONE of them was any
   less spiritual than any of the spiritual people
   I've met in over 40 years of spiritual seeking. And
   to be honest, most of them were nicer people than
   the people I know who consider themselves spiritual.
  
  Are you, do you think, a nicer person than the
  people you know who consider themselves spiritual,
  Barry?
  
  snip
   Wasn't it Jesus who said something about a man
   being measured by the way he treats the least
   among us?
  
  He also said, And whosoever shall exalt himself
  shall be humbled.
  
  I'm not sure you'd want to be measured by how you
  treat people, actually.
 
 My observation is that most people who walk the walk don't 
advertise about it. IOW, for 
 every Curtis whom you know about, there's myriad non-
Curtises walking the walks 
 whom you never hear of and WILL never hear of.

I'd be really interested to know how many people
here felt Barry's post was a genuine cri de coeur,
and how many found it nauseatingly phony.

[FairfieldLife] Lynch's one-armed duck f*cker

[bob_brigante]

another Lynch work that won't make it to the film festival at the 
school where he is on the board of directors:

http://pages.citebite.com/d1u3j1g6q3hos

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch's one-armed duck f*cker

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 another Lynch work that won't make it to the film festival at the 
 school where he is on the board of directors:
 
 http://pages.citebite.com/d1u3j1g6q3hos


It's a web animation, dude.