[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I liked The Other Bolyn Girl, true story of King Henry VIII and the two Bolyn mistresses ... consequence of Henry's Romanic shenanigans was his fallout with the Papacy ... a curious chain of causes and effects on the part of Henry VIII eventually led to the growth of Protestantism in the West ... i have not seen this yet, but methinks if you liked it, you'd also like The Tudors from Showtime. Season 1 is on DVD, so i got to rent the whole thing, and loved it. very exciting down to earth series about young henry 8th, his mistress anne bolyn, and his mixups with the papal emmisary cardinal woolsey. this really close look makes you sympathize with the young king; this is how history should be taught!
[FairfieldLife] Three kinds of transformations?
What the are the three kinds of transformations[1] mentioned in YS III 16? [2] [1] pariNaama-traya: transformation-triplet? [2] pariNaama-traya-saMyamaad atiitaanaagatajñaanam. (ati-ita - an-aagata - jñaanam)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there must be a formula for determining the goodness/benefit of a guru or spiritual figure, but obviously notoriety is not it. There is -- karma. It sorts things out. Other than that, I don't think there's any formula.
[FairfieldLife] Obama's Massachusetts?
COB claimed a couple of days back that Obama mispronounced Massachusetts. Now, how bad was that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Massachusetts?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COB claimed a couple of days back that Obama mispronounced Massachusetts. Now, how bad was that? ** Well, people are afraid of national leaders who can't pronounce words, like our nonbeloved Dumbya, because they get involved in disasters because of their impaired functioning: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/opinion/04herbert.html http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/opinion/04herbert.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual vs Spiritism
A good point, and hopefully a springboard to an interesting thread. I have always been nothing short of *amazed* at the number of TMers who get involved with channeling and spirit voices and communicating with higher masters and the like, given the STRONG stance Maharishi took against these practices from Day One. What will be interesting in the wake of his death is whether there will be some revisionist history on these practices as people start claiming to be getting messages directly from Haharishi. The he's talking to me thang is *going* to happen; that's a given. The question is how it's going to be handled by the larger TMO, or what is left of it. Will it be handled in the same way that Maharishi's equally strong teaching about the enlightened being not even having the *option* of reincarnation on any relative plane, and now the teaching being spread around by Bevan and King Tony that Maharishi himself is in heaven, where even the gods are amazed by him? Or will someone remember the original teachings and point them out, and suggest that the Wannabe Emperor's New Voices might not be coming from the source they think they're coming from? As someone said recently, the jury is still out on this one. I post, for the amusement of those who have always thought that Maharishi's original take on listening to voices was correct, and as edifi- cation for those who think he was wrong, a teaching that showed up yesterday on another board in response to someone saying that her voices were telling her something and that everyone else should pay attention to it as the revealed message it really was: When you hear a voice or have a thought to do or think something in particular; once in a while do the exact opposite and then observe if the voice or 'thought' gets angry at you. That's how you can tell that you are being manipulated by something or someone outside of yourself. The woman this advice was given to got hysterically angry and claimed at the top of her all-caps screen voice that everyone else, including her own teacher who had said these words, was WRONG, and that her voices were correct. Most of the rest of us considered the case closed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your quote from Patanjali is irrelevant in this context. The quote is evidently relevant only in that it is a strong comment and warning, from scripture. Interesting distinction you make though about this willing and unwilling possession. Are you experienced in the sense that you practice it? Thinking back on earlier TMmovement days we didn't have much directly from Guru Dev in the way of quotes and readings. Maharishi told stories about Guru Dev. The one thing that was given out though was a quote from Guru Dev on this subject of spiritism. It was sort of foundational material for ruddering the TMmovement in straight and narrow spiritual practice. That... dabbling in spirits could be dangerous Maharishi was always firm in consul and coaching about this. This quote was a printed one sheet paper that was very available around teacher trainings and on ATR courses: paste Guru Dev: Speaking on the Value of a Human Birth and the Importance of Right Action Do good works without hesitation. The Jiva has been experiencing samsara for many, many births. It is only natural, therefore, that its tendencies have become worldly. To turn its tendencies toward Paramatman and away from samsara requires some effort. In reality, the aim of life is to stop the mind from involvement with this world. If one engages in spiritual practice and in thinking and speaking about God, the mind will start dwelling on Him and after some time it will withdraw from the world on its own. In our daily affairs we should adopt a strategy of quickly attending to good works and things related to the Divine. Should any wrong thought arise, on the other hand, we should try to postpone it to another time by saying, I'll do it tomorrow, or the day after next. In this way, wrong action can be continuously postponed. To be born a human is more fortunate than to be born a deva (angel or Divine being). Taking birth as a deva is considered comparable to taking birth as any other life form. Birth as a deva is attained by those who perform certain sacrifices and karma, etc. associated with divinity, with the intention to enjoy divine pleasures. The minds of the devas wander incessantly because of the abundance of enjoyable things in the heavenly realms, and hence they cannot perform purushartha (Divine action - action in accord with the cosmic evolution and individual destiny). For this reason, the human birth is considered superior, because here, by doing as much purushartha as possible, one can eventually merge with God. A human being is like a lump of pure gold, whereas devas are like pieces of fine jewelry. Having
[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: matrixmonitor@ wrote: I liked The Other Bolyn Girl, true story of King Henry VIII and the two Bolyn mistresses ... consequence of Henry's Romanic shenanigans was his fallout with the Papacy ... a curious chain of causes and effects on the part of Henry VIII eventually led to the growth of Protestantism in the West ... i have not seen this yet, but methinks if you liked it, you'd also like The Tudors from Showtime. Season 1 is on DVD, so i got to rent the whole thing, and loved it. very exciting down to earth series about young henry 8th, his mistress anne bolyn, and his mixups with the papal emmisary cardinal woolsey. this really close look makes you sympathize with the young king; this is how history should be taught! Uh, I enjoyed the series as well, but don't mistake it for history. The creators were very up-front about the vast numbers of name changes, time compressions, and changes to actual history that they introduced to the series. History buffs were outraged by it, even as they admitted how gorgeous it was. For example, did you come away from the series believing that Thomas Tallis was gay? He wasn't. Or that the plots surrounding Henry's sister were accurate? They weren't. In the world of historical fiction, there are a few writers who have managed to walk the fine line of being completely, fanatically true to history and at the same time introducing their own char- acters *into* that history. A Scottish author by the name of Dorothy Dunnett is my standard for such writing. Using that standard, The Tudors is more like the Disney version of history than history. But it *was* gorgeous, and I enjoyed it thoroughly even given the inaccuracies.
[FairfieldLife] 'A Vote for Hill is a Vote for Mac'
So says Rush Limbo... Let's make a mockery of the democratic process, he tells his listeners. And they, like brain-washed, sheep-like zombies- So easily led and manipulated... The sacred democratic process, which by word is held to high... The flag they honor so well. But to walk the path of civil democracy, as Socrates meant it to be: In it's purity, they know not what they do. The radio waves are strange these days... But so is everything else. Transformation is like that. Isn't it? Robert Gimbel Seattle, WA - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[FairfieldLife] 'Obama the Hope Vs. Hillary the Heat Vs. Mac the Knife'
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Massachusetts?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COB claimed a couple of days back that Obama mispronounced Massachusetts. Now, how bad was that? How is it pronounced? anyway... Don't they have a kind of accent up there? Eh?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
(snip) Yoko Ono saying that if John was alive, that he would have probably reconciled with Maharishi due to all of his good work in the world. Well, as a matter of fact, I heard a radio interview, which John gave, the day before he died He spoke of Maharishi, and said that he was rather harsh with him John said, how at the time, he was looking for a `Father Figure', Because he had never met his real father, since he had left when John was a baby He said that he had deep respect for Maharishi, and would have handled it differently, the whole thing... he seemed to be saying he was deeply sorry that it had ended that way... R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This Is Your Brain On Happiness :-)
On Mar 3, 2008, at 11:31 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: From the article: What changed the face of his career, according to Davidson, was a meeting in 1992 with...the 14th Dalai Lama, who urged him to home in on compassion as the object of serious and rigorous study. Exactly why I posted it. Not only does he not work for a Buddhist institution, he does not benefit financially from people learning to meditate (done for free). Conversely MUM/MIU researchers benefit directly from their marketing research to sell the product their university requires for admission and their org sells. It's actually a large part of the cult mindset of that org, indoctrination into TM research begins when one learns TM. So, a reason they didn't also use TMmovement meditators as a control, because they did not exhibit parameters of, compassion? Only self- interest? No, the point was just because Davidson practices a form of Buddhist meditation does not make him necessarily biased. In fact the form of meditation he is studying is different from what he practices--there are literally hundreds of different styles of meditation in Tibetan Buddhism alone. Cool study though. Makes sense to me. Is my experence. Interesting article.
Re: Angela: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)
On Mar 3, 2008, at 8:36 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: So Vaj, this study you refer to,the Unique Effect study, has it been replicated? Is it the only study of its kind with this finding? I know some of them have been replicated a couple of times. I wouldn't be surprised if they've been replicated since then, but I haven't followed it that closely.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) Yoko Ono saying that if John was alive, that he would have probably reconciled with Maharishi due to all of his good work in the world. Well, as a matter of fact, I heard a radio interview, which John gave, the day before he died He spoke of Maharishi, and said that he was rather harsh with him John said, how at the time, he was looking for a `Father Figure', Because he had never met his real father, since he had left when John was a baby He said that he had deep respect for Maharishi, and would have handled it differently, the whole thing... he seemed to be saying he was deeply sorry that it had ended that way... Just as a question, why does it MATTER what John Lennon thought of Maharishi? Or what anyone ELSE thought of him, for that matter? I'm asking because we saw instances of this same Well, a celebrity thought well of Maharishi so he must have been a good guy thinking after his death, both on this forum and in the press. And on this forum we even saw that thinking flip flop from positive for the celebrity to negative for the same celebrity, depending on what he said, and when. When Deepak Chopra said a few nice things about Maharishi, things he obviously felt to be true, people who had dumped on him for years sud- denly became complimentary to Deepak Chopra. Then, when in another article he said some things that those same folks didn't *like* said about Maharishi and the TMO, they flip-flopped back and just couldn't *wait* to portray Chopra as untrustworthy and a liar. Don't you find that interesting? I sure do. First, I find the whole A celebrity thinks well of TM/Maharishi/the TMO so it *must* be good kind of thinking to be just as bogus as This study paid for by and exploited by the TMO says that TM is a good thing, so it *must* be a good thing thinking. I mean, WHO CARES what some celebrity thought of TM or Maharishi? What they thought doesn't impact your life AT ALL. Nor, in any real sense, does a TM study that hasn't been replicated by quite a few non-TM researchers. Scientific studies contradict each other all the time, and until one proves completely consistent, they are just as much opinion in my book as the opinions of celebrities. It's all JUST OPINION, and thus on exactly the same level as your OWN opinion. It seems to me that if what some celebrity thinks of TM or Maharishi sways what you think about him, you haven't got much of a pair on you. Similarly, if you *need* the support of scientific studies to have a positive opinion of a technique you have been practicing for 30 years, how much of a technique can it be, eh?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
On Mar 4, 2008, at 7:38 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Just as a question, why does it MATTER what John Lennon thought of Maharishi? Or what anyone ELSE thought of him, for that matter? I'm asking because we saw instances of this same Well, a celebrity thought well of Maharishi so he must have been a good guy thinking after his death, both on this forum and in the press. And on this forum we even saw that thinking flip flop from positive for the celebrity to negative for the same celebrity, depending on what he said, and when. When Deepak Chopra said a few nice things about Maharishi, things he obviously felt to be true, people who had dumped on him for years sud- denly became complimentary to Deepak Chopra. Then, when in another article he said some things that those same folks didn't *like* said about Maharishi and the TMO, they flip-flopped back and just couldn't *wait* to portray Chopra as untrustworthy and a liar. Don't you find that interesting? I sure do. It really is quite interesting. The ironic thing is, since MMY hid his past and then used the huge org he founded as a PR machine to front his airbrushed, gold-gilt image to the world, we actually know very little about the real MMY, other than thru dissenters who often have tilted in the exact opposite direction. This became readily apparent when he died and the image the press picked up on was the PR image presented by the org, less so the real person. But at least Chopra had the balls to speak the truth. Others much less so--being still enamored with the air-brushed poster boy, too afraid of lawsuits or just water long 'over the dam'.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
No offense, but expecting any type of response is foolish. This is the internet and people respond in their honest fashion. I see the good in Maharishi but to speak to the effect of how wonderful TM was is trite and has been done ad nauseum. It's so much more fun to point out what wasn't fun about it. I did say in my last few posts I love TM, and I did give Maharishi credit for it. But people, again, acted from their own bias rather than noting the entire range of responses. Don't be getting all sanctimonious there Rick. Give up the fruits of actions to Krishna, Bub. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nsm108 Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY I can't believe the kind of response my post about this Rolling Stone article has recieved. I am the first to admit that the movement is off the wall in a million ways, and both Maharishi and the movement have an incrediblly rich dark side, but whats up with the fact that you guys can't give some credit to Maharishi for the good that he has done. He certanly added a depth and richness to my life by giving me the ability to experience the absolute. You guys can rant on and on about all the stuff that has gone down over the years (and I am in complete agreement with you about that stuff), but you seem to have conviently forgot about the whole basis for the TM movment and MMY's message about transcending the relative and experiencing the absolute. Complain all you want, but for those of us whose lives have been helped by TM and MMY, give a little credit. I agree, and this has been my perspective since starting FFL. Inability to see the good MMY did is just another form of fundamentalism, which is unworthy of a sincere seeker of truth. It’s much more interesting and liberating to acknowledge the good, the bad, and the ugly. Learn to embrace paradox and you’ll feel at home everywhere. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 6:50 PM
[FairfieldLife] Reggae and Mo
Sometimes I find some http lists of mp3s for free download. See if you guys like these and have at em, if you like reggae, that is. http://indexofmp3.net/reggae_g23261/ Here's Mo: http://indexofmp3.net/
[FairfieldLife] 'Americano Campaign Cost Mucho Pesos'
This years election is estimated to cost One Billion Dollars... Procter Gamble will spend Two Billion on advertizing, this year. Beer advertizers will spend One point Two Billion Dollars. So, there ya have it! - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) Yoko Ono saying that if John was alive, that he would have probably reconciled with Maharishi due to all of his good work in the world. Well, as a matter of fact, I heard a radio interview, which John gave, the day before he died He spoke of Maharishi, and said that he was rather harsh with him John said, how at the time, he was looking for a `Father Figure', Because he had never met his real father, since he had left when John was a baby He said that he had deep respect for Maharishi, and would have handled it differently, the whole thing... he seemed to be saying he was deeply sorry that it had ended that way... R.G. He did repeat that several times during the years. Yes he was a celebrity. Does that somehow give him more weight than Turq and Vaj because he had prooved that he could materialize his thought/feelings in music in an universal way? Yes. Are Turq and Vaj slimeballs ? Yes. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Yoko Ono saying that if John was alive, that he would have probably reconciled with Maharishi due to all of his good work in the world. Well, as a matter of fact, I heard a radio interview, which John gave, the day before he died He spoke of Maharishi, and said that he was rather harsh with him John said, how at the time, he was looking for a `Father Figure', Because he had never met his real father, since he had left when John was a baby He said that he had deep respect for Maharishi, and would have handled it differently, the whole thing... he seemed to be saying he was deeply sorry that it had ended that way... He did repeat that several times during the years. Yes he was a celebrity. Does that somehow give him more weight than Turq and Vaj because he had prooved that he could materialize his thought/feelings in music in an universal way? Yes. Are Turq and Vaj slimeballs ? Yes. Would Nabby consider John Lennon a slimeball if he had died without recanting what he'd said earlier about Maharishi? Yes. I repeat my earlier comment -- not much of a pair. If Idi Amin had praised Maharishi, Nabby would have praised Idi Amin.
[FairfieldLife] I loved Maharishi
Maybe it doesn't seem like it. But last year I had a Mahamritunjaya yajna going twice a month with all of my teachers on it. And that included Maharishi.
[FairfieldLife] Benefits of drinking Alkaline ionized water.
I noticed there were some posts in this forum about alkaline water and diets so I thought this might interest folks here. There's an interesting interview with Ayur Vedic Vaidya Dr Mishra on the importance of pH in the body here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/74156 I have just bought a machine which makes 5 types of special waters which have applications to health of body, home and garden. This has important implications for promoting health and sustainable alternatives to many common chemicals and drugs. It's called Kangen Water in Japan which means return to origin since the alkaline setting simulates the effects of original mountain stream water. The garden applications use the strong acid setting and researchers in Japan and the US have found it to be an effective replacement for pesticides to kill many common plant pathogens. See: http://georgiafaces.caes.uga.edu/getstory.cfm?storyid=1348#complete The house cleaning applications use the strong acid setting for cleaning and sterilizes bathrooms and kitchens and it's claimed to eliminate the need to buy disinfectants in the home as it kills 99.9% of bacteria on contact yet is safe enough for contact with skin. The strong alkaline setting produces water exceeding pH11 which will dissolve very tough tough stains and remove oils without the need to bring strong detergents into the home. But most importantly there have been remarkable studies on the effects of drinking alkaline water for health. I started drinking Kangen Water only a week ago and the chronic eye strain and red eyes that have bothered me for 20 years has cleared up I'd say 95%. I feel better and better everyday. One of my favorite places to learn about something new is on YouTube. I looked up Kangen Water and these three are the best shorter videos there: 1) Testimonials on Health benefits (9 mins) this is the best! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7794514769969041118 2) Dissolve tough oils like Sesame Oil with Strong Kangen water (at pH 11 setting not for drinking!) This is amazing! (2 mins): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5005548354459164970 3) Remarkable colon cleanse in 3 months with drinking Kangen Water and following an alkaline diet (6 mins). These colonoscopy videos give a graphic example of the effects of a typical too acid diet and how quickly this is restored and rejuvenated with Alkaline water: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5222059801927869350 What I like most about this approach to health is that it is so easy to do. I find the water so much easier to drink than typical reverse osmosis filtered water. There's much more I could say, but I'll get to the point. The machine arrived at my home today and I love the water. So I have decided to deliver FREE Kangen drinking water to anyone in Fairfield or Vedic City twice a week if they agree to try drinking it for 30 days and then write a brief testimonial of their experiences. I will be delivering twice a week as it's best to drink within 4 days. If you'd like to join this 30 day free trial of Kangen Water contact me at: 641-209-9964 or e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Horsfield
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrupt war contractor to control US elections
This site tracks this issue of voting machines. http://www.bradblog.com/ Voting machines are so easily messed with that only a fool would think that they are not one of the main ways for BigBiz to rig an election. Hey, maybe Bar and Hill could really have a down and dirty fight about vote counts what with the elections tonight being so critical. Fingers crossed. Exposing the MANY levels of corruption in Texas and Ohio could be just the sobering that the Nov. election process needs. But I'm not holding my breath -- all the candidates are hooked up with BigBiz. Of course, if the general population would just get it that these machines are tools of evil, then, hey, group consciousness could approve when every other script kiddie out there becomes a vote-rigger after the internet sends out all the codes and hacks to use on these machines. Then, 14 year old geniuses will elect our president! Could be a good thingy! President Depp? President Johnny Knoxville? President Britney Spears? President Bin Laden? Those kids love their jokes! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: United Technologies Corp. made public Sunday an unsolicited $3 billion bid for Diebold, one of the largest makers of automated teller machines and voting machines. http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi- tech_03_bizmar03,0,2421405.story Instances of Misconduct 1. Cost and Labor Mischarge According to a GAO report cited by Senator Harkin and Representative DeFazio, United Technologies Optical Systems, reached a settlement for $150,000 for alleged cost/labor mischarging. 2. Defective Pricing According to a GAO report cited by Senator Harkin and Representative DeFazio, United Technologies, reached a settlement for $304,729 for alleged defective pricing. 3. United States v. United Technologies (Preparing False Purchase Orders and Submitting False Invoices) United Technologies Corporation's Pratt Whitney (PW) Government Engine and Space Propulsion Division entered into a settlement agreement in which PW agreed to pay the government $14.8 million, following a Defense Criminal Investigative Service investigation. The agreement resolved charges that PW violated the False Claims Act (31 U.S.C. §§ 3729, et. seq.) by preparing false purchase orders and submitting false invoices under the Foreign Military Sales Program (FMSP) administered by the Defense Security Assistance Agency. The program involved the FMSP-funded Lavi fighter aircraft under development for the Israeli Air Force. 4. Brainard v. Pratt Whitney (Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act Violation) On July 7, 2005, Pratt Whitney, a subsidiary of United Technologies, reached a settlement for potential violations of the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act of 1994, 38 U.S.C. §§ 4301- 4333, et. seq John Brainard worked at Pratt Whitney's Jet Propulsion site in Palm Beach County, Florida, under an outsource labor contract between Pratt Whitney and EDF Company. On April 24, 2002, Brainard, a Major with the United States Army Reserve, was called to active military service. For the next six months, Brainard was stationed primarily overseas in Kuwait. He was released from active duty in October and returned home. Upon his return to work on October 21, 2002, Brainard was informed that his job had been eliminated. No comparable position was offered to him the companies denied violating the provisions of the Act, but agreed to settle Brainard's claims. The companies will pay Brainard $30,000.. 5. Violations of Workplace Injury Illness Recordkeeping Requirements The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) of the U.S. Department of Labor cited the Pratt and Whitney Aircraft, Turbine Modular Center, located in North Haven, Connecticut, for alleged willful violations of the Occupational Safety and Health Act and has proposed penalties totaling $155,000 for those alleged violations the company is being cited for four alleged WILLFUL violations, carrying proposed penalties totaling $154,000, for: failing to maintain an equivalent OSHA Log at their facility which is as readable and comprehensible as the OSHA 200 form; for calendar years 1996, 1997, 1998 and 1999, failure to record 71 recordable injury and illness cases; failure to make available supplementary records of occupational illness and injuries for the month of December 1996; and failure to make readily available complete and accurate OSHA 200 logs for the 1996, 1997, 1998 and 1999 calendar years. 6. Federal Air Pollution Standards Violations Sikorsky Aircraft Corp. will pay a fine of $176,000 to settle an EPA complaint for violations of the federal stratospheric ozone protection regulations and two federal hazardous air pollutant standards...Sikorsky, a subsidiary of United Technologies Corp., is a helicopter manufacturer
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. Are Turq and Vaj slimeballs ? Yes. Would Nabby consider John Lennon a slimeball if he had died without recanting what he'd said earlier about Maharishi? Yes. Correct. I repeat my earlier comment -- not much of a pair. If Idi Amin had praised Maharishi, Nabby would have praised Idi Amin. Correct.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benefits of drinking Alkaline ionized water.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Brian Horsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed there were some posts in this forum about alkaline water and diets so I thought this might interest folks here. There's an interesting interview with Ayur Vedic Vaidya Dr Mishra on the importance of pH in the body here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/74156 I have just bought a machine which makes 5 types of special waters which have applications to health of body, home and garden. This has important implications for promoting health and sustainable alternatives to many common chemicals and drugs. It's called Kangen Water [rest of ad snipped] For anyone interested in actually buying a water ionizer, you might want to shop around. The Kangen Water MLM company is selling an $1800 machine for $4000.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:55 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY No offense, but expecting any type of response is foolish. This is the internet and people respond in their honest fashion. I see the good in Maharishi but to speak to the effect of how wonderful TM was is trite and has been done ad nauseum. It's so much more fun to point out what wasn't fun about it. I did say in my last few posts I love TM, and I did give Maharishi credit for it. But people, again, acted from their own bias rather than noting the entire range of responses. Don't be getting all sanctimonious there Rick. Give up the fruits of actions to Krishna, Bub. I know you’ve painted MMY both ways many times. I wasn’t directing my comments at you. You usually do it one way or the other in a single post. I tend to paint him both ways in a single post. Just a matter of style. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 6:50 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY If Idi Amin had praised Maharishi, Nabby would have praised Idi Amin. Correct. On that note, hey Nabby. What’s your opinion of Robert Mugabe? “Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, the Divine Rulership of President Abdurrahman Wahid of Indonesia, and the casting off of corrupt democracy by President Robert Guei of the Ivory Coast.” For more see HYPERLINK http://tinyurl.com/275oa7http://tinyurl.com/275oa7, and get a checking. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 6:50 PM
[FairfieldLife] Yoga at the speed of light
HYPERLINK http://esamskriti.com/html/inside.asp?cat=657subcat=656cname=yoga_interna thttp://esamskriti.com/html/inside.asp?cat=657subcat=656cname=yoga_intern at ional Yoga at the speed of Light, - By Linda Johnsen, Courtesy copyright Yoga International It is amazing how much Western science has taught us. Today, for example, kids in grammar school learn that the sun is 93 million miles from the earth and that the speed of light is 186,000 miles per hours. Yoga may teach us about our Higher Self, but it can't supply this kind of information about physics or astronomy. Or can it? Professor Subhash Kak of Louisiana State University recently called my attention to a remarkable statement by Sayana, a fourteenth century Indian scholar. In his commentary on a hymn in the Rig Veda, the oldest and perhaps most mystical text ever composed in India, Sayana has this to say: With deep respect, I bow to the sun, who travels 2,202 yojanas in half a nimesha. A yojana is about nine American miles; a nimesha is 16/75 of a second. Mathematically challenged readers, get out your calculators! 2,202 yojanas x 9 miles x 75 - 8 nimeshas = 185,794 m.p.s. Basically, Sayana is saying that sunlight travels at 186,000 miles per second! How could a Vedic scholar who died in 1387 A.D. have known the correct figure for the speed of light? If this was just a wild guess it's the most amazing coincidence in the history of science! The yoga tradition is full of such coincidences. Take for instance the mala many yoga students wear around their neck. Since these rosaries are used to keep track of the number of mantras a person is repeating, students often ask why they have 108 beads instead of 100. Part of the reason is that the mala represent the ecliptic, the path of the sun and moon across the sky. Yogis divide the ecliptic into 27 equal sections called nakshatras, and each of these into four equal sectors called padas, or steps, marking the 108 steps that the sun and moon take through heaven. Each is associated with a particular blessing force, with which you align yourself as you turn the beads. Traditionally, yoga students stop at the 109th guru bead, flip the mala around in their hand, and continue reciting their mantra as they move backward through the beads. The guru bead represents the summer and winter solstices, when the sun appears to stop in its course and reverse directions. In the yoga tradition we learn that we're deeply interconnected with all of nature. Using a mala is a symbolic way of connecting ourselves with the cosmic cycles governing our universe. But Professor Kak points out yet another coincidence: The distance between the earth and the sun is approximately 108 times the sun's diameter. The diameter of the sun is about 108 times the earth's diameter. And the distance between the earth and the moon is 108 times the moon's diameter. Could this be the reason the ancient sages considered 108 such a sacred number? If the microcosm (us) mirrors the macrocosm (the solar system), then maybe you could say there are 108 steps between our ordinary human awareness and the divine light at the center of our being. Each time we chant another mantra as our mala beads slip through our fingers, we are taking another step toward our own inner sun. As we read through ancient Indian texts, we find so much the sages of antiquity could not possibly have known-but did. While our European and Middle Eastern ancestors claimed that the universe was created about 6,000 years ago, the yogis have always maintained that our present cosmos is billions of years old, and that it's just one of many such universes which have arisen and dissolved in the vastness of eternity. In fact the Puranas, encyclopedias of yogic lore thousands of years old, describe the birth of our solar system out of a milk ocean, the Milky Way. Through the will of the Creator, they tell us, a vortex shaped like a lotus arose from the navel of eternity. It was called Hiranya Garbha, the shining womb. It gradually coalesced into our world, but will perish some day billions of years hence when the sun expands to many times it present size, swallowing all life on earth. In the end, the Puranas say, the ashes of the earth will be blown into space by the cosmic wind. Today we known this is a scientifically accurate, if poetic, description of the fate of our planet. The Surya Siddhanta is the oldest surviving astronomical text in the Indian tradition. Some Western scholars date it to perhaps the fifth or sixth centuries A.D., though the next itself claims to represent a tradition much, much older. It explains that the earth is shaped like a ball, and states that at the very opposite side of the planet from India is a great city where the sun is rising at the same time it sets in India. In this city, the
RE: [FairfieldLife] Yoga at the speed of light
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:18 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Yoga at the speed of light Okay see you all again sometime later when I am allowed to continue posting or I may be banned for a week. Ciao. By my count you’ve only done 32 posts so far this week. The quota is 50, so you’re fine. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 6:50 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Yoga at the speed of light
That's all really fascinating, but conceptually confused. Most importantly is can one make testable predictions as based on the Vedas? It's this sort of thinking which produces the sort of mushbrained thinking which makes people think persons such as Haeglen are actually scientists. He is not a scientist, and nothing he spouts is science. It is scientific theory. About the same thing as discussing romance and politics. Untestable and unprovable. So someone once was able to pick their nose with their toe. That doesn't mean it's a good technique or that it has any implications. As based in Uncertainty and the fact that the four fundamental forces of nature HAVE NOT been unified through testable means, nothing of any of the theories as based on a Unified Field have any ability to hold any water and should not have been used to formulate even more specious concepts. All the Unified Field nonsense of the TMO has been a house of cards. Saying that some Vedic scholars of yesteryear were able to calculate how many yojanas to the sun is fine in hindsight. And herein lies the essential problem with such hindsight. It is not forward predictive and thus yields no practical benefit. Okay see you all again sometime later when I am allowed to continue posting or I may be banned for a week. Ciao.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga at the speed of light
a nimesha is 16/75 of a second. What ancient time measuring instrument was that accurate? Sounds to me like this analysis is reverse engineered. s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY If Idi Amin had praised Maharishi, Nabby would have praised Idi Amin. Correct. On that note, hey Nabby. What's your opinion of Robert Mugabe? That's the fellow who wants all foreign influences out of his country, no ? In that case I'm all for him ! Somebody should simply ban capitalism also ! Or perhaps it is simply banning itself by going out of business. Both USA and Japan are technically bankrupt. The next few months will be very interesting indeed. Capitalism will eat itself up from within. -Lenin Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism. - Maharishi
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:44 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY On that note, hey Nabby. What's your opinion of Robert Mugabe? That's the fellow who wants all foreign influences out of his country, no ? In that case I'm all for him ! Read up and see if you condone Maharishi’s praise of him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 6:50 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY If Idi Amin had praised Maharishi, Nabby would have praised Idi Amin. Correct. On that note, hey Nabby. What's your opinion of Robert Mugabe? Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, the Divine Rulership of President Abdurrahman Wahid of Indonesia, and the casting off of corrupt democracy by President Robert Guei of the Ivory Coast. For more see HYPERLINK http://tinyurl.com/275oa7http://tinyurl.com/275oa7, and get a checking. Re the matrix, I've found it helpful when evaluating our media's opinions (brainwashing the collective consciousness) of other world leaders to keep in mind that though they may appear more barbaric and corrupt, it is only because are not able to hide it as the USA does. They don't have the means to slaughter and dismember people with cruise missles and long range bombers. Instead they do it in the streets, so it can be captured on film and we can wring our hands and call them hideous. They are more open about their corruption and with less wealth at their disposal, a middle class has no chance of emerging, but the ratio of the money held by the wealthy to the overall population (~10% of the population holding 90% of the wealth) is about the same, whether we are talking about the USA or the third world countries. Kind of puts us all on an even playing field-- all blood thirsty and all corrupt. Having said that, it becomes easier to praise one leader over another, should they support your cause, as Maharishi had done from time to time.
[FairfieldLife] Alan Wallace Meditation Weekend
From the blogosphere... Alan Wallace Meditation Weekend March 2, 2008 at 8:25 pm 696 people have read this post. I just got home a short while ago from the teaching weekend at Orgyen Dorje Den with B. Alan Wallace (you can see the flyer for this weekend if you wish). The official topic for the weekend was “Balancing the Heart Mind.” I must say that I found Wallace to be one of the clearest and most inspiring meditation instructors that I’ve had in quite a while. I really wish I’d met him ten years ago. He was also, very clearly, one of the warmest hearted people that I’ve met in a long time. No smugness or arrogance, just warmth and compassion in both his presentation (including the various stories within it) and in his interactions during questions and answers. This is a man who I think could compassionately field just about any question, whether or not he could answer it. The work of the first day was largely Shamatha meditation with one brief session drawing from some instructions by Dudjom Lingpa. The meditation sessions were brief at 24 minutes (1/60th of the day, which is traditional) and were each followed by a teaching session before continuing again. During the teaching sessions, Wallace would teach on Shamatha drawing from both his personal experiences from having been a monk for 14 years and from his study of meditation with a variety of teachers over the years (including the Dalai Lama). The second day focused on the Four Immeasurables (Brahmavihara), which are Loving Kindness, Compassion, Sympathetic Joy, and Equanimity. Meditation techniques for cultivating each of these were discussed as well as the theory of these four and why they are so important. This discussion alo included meditation sessions as well to put the theory into practice. I appreciated that Wallace made clear that he drew from Theravadan techniques and understandings for some of what he discussed and showed us and credited his Theravadan teachers by name. This is the first time I recall having been at a Tibetan Vajrayana center and having someone offer teachings that also drew from Theravadan teachers. I know that Wallace studied for a while with Theravadan teachers as well as spending many years with a variety of Tibetan lamas. Much of the discussion of the first day was on “Genuine Happiness” (which also happens to be the topic of one of his books, as are the Four Immeasurables). Along with quoting from the Buddha and then later teachers, I found it both interesting and heartening for Wallace, who was speaking largely without notes, to quote St. Augustine, Aristotle, and William James as well. For Aristotle, he specifically discussed the concept of “Eudaimonia” from his work. Wallace constantly referred to William James during the weekend and, as someone who has been empressed by James’ writings, I found that very interesting. This is one of the things that I expect to see in a Western teacher, a familiarity with Classical or Western learning as well an ability to relate it, when appropriate, to topics from Buddhist (or Indian) thought. Overall, I came away from this weekend interested in continuing to work with the Four Immeasurables as well as my own meditation practice. I’ve been a fan of Wallace’s work for quite some time and he did not disappoint me when he taught. My only regret in interacting with him is that the weekend was set up in such a way that when he wasn’t teaching, he very quickly was off in private areas of the building so no one ever got to chit chat with him one on one until the very end when people gave dana. While I can understand the desire not to have 50 people asking questions during breaks, it would have been nice to have gotten a chance to say “Hello” to him or to casually talk without interactions being formalized. This is a very minor issue, all things said, and I am glad that I attended. Update: I just found out that Wallace has been making a podcast available recently. It would be worth checking out if you are interested in him or what he has to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benefits of drinking Alkaline ionized water.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Brian Horsfield horsfield@ wrote: I noticed there were some posts in this forum about alkaline water and diets so I thought this might interest folks here. There's an interesting interview with Ayur Vedic Vaidya Dr Mishra on the importance of pH in the body here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/74156 I have just bought a machine which makes 5 types of special waters which have applications to health of body, home and garden. This has important implications for promoting health and sustainable alternatives to many common chemicals and drugs. It's called Kangen Water [rest of ad snipped] For anyone interested in actually buying a water ionizer, you might want to shop around. The Kangen Water MLM company is selling an $1800 machine for $4000. And, of course, you can save even more money by not buying one at all. http://www.chem1.com/CQ/ionbunk.html
Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must have some very different Muslims in Europe than the ones I have met here. In 1982 I taught a very unusual class of ESL at Kent State University. All 25 guys from Muslim and Arabic speaking countries. They were an amazing bunch of young gentlemen, and the only classes I've ever taught that were similar were the tenth grade boys at MSAE. Those young Muslims were intelligent, kind, and spiritual. I've kept in touch with a number of them, and they continue to be what they were then, except that with age, kindness has become more important to them than intelligence. a Those Muslim's I described I have not met personally. I was referring to interviews I have seen on TV or read from a newspaper or magazine. And every single time I have perceived errors in their conceptual thinking. Most recent was an interview of a Muslim spiritual leader in Finland. He was considered to be very moderate in his thinking. He explained a lot about what Muslim women are allowed to do, and what not, and why their community controls so much their behaviour. He explained how this actually benefits and protects the women. He also said that men and women are equal. Then the interviewer asked about the female genital mutilation. The man told he does not accept it. Then the interviewer said that it is done here in Finland also. The man admitted it. The interviewer asked then what he has done to stop this practise. He answered: I'm not the guard of my brother. What kind of logic is this? He doesn't guard his brothers, but he says he guards his sisters to protect them. But actually allows the most terrible cruelty being done to girls, because he does not guard what the Muslim community does to their girls, even if he does not accept this doing. This is truly convoluted reasoning. In every interview so far I have perceived some similar sort fundamental errors in their conceptual reasoning. Did you ever discuss these kinds of matters with those young men? Irmeli
Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Irmeli said: Practically every time they (the nuslims) publicly say something, they make themselves just ridiculous, and show that their capacity to formal operational thinking, or abstract conceptual thinking, is poor. They combine categories in a wrong way all the time. And this is not about belief systems. It is about where they are in their cognitive development. And I consider their beliefsystems to be the cause of their backwardness. Irmeli, what you report from Finland fits perfectly into the picture, which we also have on German grounds with this ethnic group from time to time. So your description illustrates it very felicitously. But for all that I personally consider their beliefsystem not as being the main cause of their backwardness, but rather their lack of willingness to go one step ahead. And I think, that western influence has been contributing to this disclaiming attitude a lot, because the interests of the west had predominantly been of economic and earlier even of generally subdueing nature, living the reckless fruitless hubris of feeling superior. And now we harvest a little the fruits of our sowing. Hagen I have just read the book `Infidel' by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. On this basis I would claim that many of the Muslim beliefs are really weird and scary. Reading the book convinced me that these beliefs truly are behind their severe problems. I also saw that it is not easy to interpret those commandments in a more `advanced' more humane way, because they actually are very literal concrete practical instructions. And one fundamental instruction is not to question these instructions. It is about submitting yourself without questioning. Irmeli
Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz hagen.j.holtz@ wrote: Irmeli said: Practically every time they (the nuslims) publicly say something, they make themselves just ridiculous, and show that their capacity to formal operational thinking, or abstract conceptual thinking, is poor. They combine categories in a wrong way all the time. And this is not about belief systems. It is about where they are in their cognitive development. And I consider their beliefsystems to be the cause of their backwardness. Irmeli, what you report from Finland fits perfectly into the picture, which we also have on German grounds with this ethnic group from time to time. So your description illustrates it very felicitously. But for all that I personally consider their beliefsystem not as being the main cause of their backwardness, but rather their lack of willingness to go one step ahead. And I think, that western influence has been contributing to this disclaiming attitude a lot, because the interests of the west had predominantly been of economic and earlier even of generally subdueing nature, living the reckless fruitless hubris of feeling superior. And now we harvest a little the fruits of our sowing. Hagen I have just read the book `Infidel' by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. On this basis I would claim that many of the Muslim beliefs are really weird and scary. Reading the book convinced me that these beliefs truly are behind their severe problems. I also saw that it is not easy to interpret those commandments in a more `advanced' more humane way, because they actually are very literal concrete practical instructions. And one fundamental instruction is not to question these instructions. It is about submitting yourself without questioning. Irmeli All human beings are the same. They all have the same emotions. All laugh when happy and weep when sad. There are no broad civilizations that produce radically different behavior in human beings. All are capable of violence. (Christians killed tens of millions in the course of the 20th century, far, far more than did Muslims). Few commit much violence except in war. You can walk around any place in Cairo at 1 am perfectly safely, but cannot do that everywhere safely in many major US cities, including the nation's capital, Washington, DC. Even the idea of Islam as a cultural world or civilization opposed to the Christian West is a false construct. Eastern Mediterranean honor cultures (Greece, Bulgaria, Lebanon, Syria) have more in common with each other across the Christian-Muslim divide than either has in common with Britain or the US. And, Muslim states don't make their alliances by religion. Egypt was allied with the Soviet Union in the 1960s, then switched to the US in the 1970s and until the present. Four of the five non-NATO allies of the US are Muslim countries. Turkey is even a full NATO ally and fought along side the US in the Korean War. [...] The Bush administration policy is to continually insinuate that the Muslim world is the new Soviet Union and full of sinister forces that require the US to go to war against them. But at the same time, America has warm relations with Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Senegal, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, the UAE, Bahrain, Turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, etc., etc. When Saudi Arabia's then crown prince (now king) Abdullah came to the US, Bush brought him to the Crawford ranch, held hands with him and kissed him on each cheek. This two-faced policy and self-contradictory rhetoric has contributed to growing hatred and bigotry toward Muslims in the US, which is no less worrisome than the hatred Jews faced in Europe in the 1920s. It is dangerous because of what it can become. Read the whole thing: http://www.juancole.com/2006/03/bigotry-toward-muslims-and-anti-arab.html = Most Muslims 'desire democracy' BBC News, February 27, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/7267100.stm The largest survey to date of Muslims worldwide suggests the vast majority want Western democracy and freedoms, but do not want them to be imposed. The poll by Gallup of more than 50,000 Muslims in 35 nations found most wanted the West to instead focus on changing its negative view of Muslims and Islam. The huge survey began following the 11 September 2001 attacks in the US. The overwhelming majority of those asked condemned them and subsequent attacks, citing religious reasons. The poll, which claims to represent the views of 90% the world's 1.3 billion Muslims, is to be published next month as part of a book entitled Who Speaks For Islam? What A Billion Muslims Really Think. New policies According to the book, the survey of the world's Muslim community was commissioned by Gallup's
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual vs Spiritism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good point, and hopefully a springboard to an interesting thread. I have always been nothing short of *amazed* at the number of TMers who get involved with channeling and spirit voices and communicating with higher masters and the like, given the STRONG stance Maharishi took against these practices from Day One. snip As I experienced it was nothing like facile interactions with an ouija board or channeling or spirits or crap like that. it just happens. one day its not there and the next day it is. just like tm provides awareness of the full range of creation, as that process becomes clearer and clearer, new things are discovered. it is not at the gross level that you suggest at all, yet concrete, distinct, and of immense benefit. after some time, when the relationship has run its course, it can be let go of too. no contradiction to what Mahahrishi spoke about.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipif you *need* the support of scientific studies to have a positive opinion of a technique you have been practicing for 30 years, how much of a technique can it be, eh? Agreed.
[FairfieldLife] Good News For Shemp - Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling
Now we can all eat frozen crow. HYPERLINK http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooli ng/article10866.htmhttp://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Wor ldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm HYPERLINK http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Widescale+Global+Cooli ng/article10866.htmTemperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling HYPERLINK http://www.dailytech.com/ContactStaff.aspx?id=44Michael Asher HYPERLINK http://www.dailytech.com/blogs/~masher;(Blog) - February 26, 2008 12:55 PM _ _ World Temperatures according to the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction. Note the steep drop over the last year. Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees HYPERLINK http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8U3RFHO0show_article=1its first snow in all recorded history. North America has HYPERLINK http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in HYPERLINK http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UO7SJ00show_article=1Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, HYPERLINK http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/COMMENTA RY/10575140Australia, Iran, HYPERLINK http://www.ana.gr/anaweb/user/showplain?maindoc=6157497maindocimg=6154941; service=6Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on. No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. A compiled list of all the sources can be seen HYPERLINK http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say- globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out nearly all the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down. Scientists quoted in a HYPERLINK http://www.dailytech.com/Solar+Activity+Diminishes+Researchers+Predict+Anot her+Ice+Age/article10630.htmpast DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it. Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70. Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 6:50 PM attachment: 7390_hadcrut.jpg image001.jpg
Re: Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)
All human beings are the same. They all have the same emotions. All laugh when happy and weep when sad. There are no broad civilizations that produce radically different behavior in human beings. ---This all beings is the same thing overlooks individual propensities. There was an interesting article in Scientific American Mind magazine last month discussing how Enron went wrong, and it's very profound to see the changes in the company between the two vastly different CEOs who controlled it. Under the first CEO, Richard Kinder, transparency was deemed essential to maintaining accountability, and then under the latter CEO who ran it as a cutthroat 'survival of the fittest' type enterprise, Jeffrey Skilling, everything became opaque and then dark. It is probably a significant part of any society as well that transparency and accountability is a large part of maintaining an upward and improving tendency of the collective. Unfortunately, this transparency is becoming less and less instead of more. Opacity is becoming ever more institutionalized in everything and thus life is becoming more insular and those who lead are being held less accountable. Several institutions have never been held accountable for anything they have done until very recently and the first is The Church. But it could be said that no religion is transparent, and accountable. Each hides behind God. I would posit that the recent trying to tie religion and state together by this last administration is a sign of greater opacity and wish to not be accountable. And is a sign of America being quite well led astray. As for Islam, there's really no point trying to consider this religion or any of them on the merits. Are they transparent or opaque. I suggest the latter, and thus they all are equal as bodies of goverance. That is, not being held accountable they will all led people to some other goal besides the one people themselves desire most. Which is the goal of being able to prosper and thrive without fear. It only takes two different people to raise up or to shove down. People should be less superstitious and really demand accountability and not believe in any superstition which tends to excuse those in power from their deeds. I wish that someday this present administration would be held up to light and seen as the equivalent of the 'survival of the fittest' mentality of the latter Enron. Unfortunately, it also occurs to me that people have invested so much in these recent bad decisions of this administration that people don't wish to awaken and see what they have really done, and what they have really lost.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual vs Spiritism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: A good point, and hopefully a springboard to an interesting thread. I have always been nothing short of *amazed* at the number of TMers who get involved with channeling and spirit voices and communicating with higher masters and the like, given the STRONG stance Maharishi took against these practices from Day One. snip As I experienced it was nothing like facile interactions with an ouija board or channeling or spirits or crap like that. it just happens. one day its not there and the next day it is. just like tm provides awareness of the full range of creation, as that process becomes clearer and clearer, new things are discovered. it is not at the gross level that you suggest at all, yet concrete, distinct, and of immense benefit. after some time, when the relationship has run its course, it can be let go of too. no contradiction to what Mahahrishi spoke about. The distinction being made by the teacher I quoted earlier, and in fact by Maharishi back in the late Sixties when he was telling everyone never to get involved with *anything* that talks to you is one of CONTENT. I think that both teachers would find nothing wrong with having an indistinct feeling of the presence or personality with someone one feels an affinity for. HOWEVER, both teachers made a clear distinction between that and the entity with which one has this feeling actually TELLING you things. If there is any kind of *information* being conveyed, then the voice is NOT TO BE TRUSTED. I have found this same teaching in quite a few spir- itual traditions, all of whom make this same distinc- tion. If you hear voices, if you have visions in which someone or something is telling you what to do or what to convince others to do, you may be in fairly serious trouble. Think of it this way -- you suddenly find yourself dropped into a completely different city. You don't know anyone you meet, or what their intentions are. You don't even know WHERE you are, or where these beings you see come from. And then one of them walks up to you and starts talking to you and telling you things that you should do in your life to make it better, or to make the lives of others better. Would you believe them? Would you do what this abso- lute stranger tells you to do? If so, then channeling and having conversations with disembodied voices is for you. :-) It's the same thing. These are just voices that these people have encountered while cruising the astral planes. The voices may TELL these folks who are talking to them who or what they are, but is that who they really are. In Tibetan lore, many of them are shape- shifters, so they may even *appear* to look like or sound like someone you know. They may even LIE, because a lot of the disembodied beings are not happy campers, and live to fuck with those who still have bodies. So these traditions -- and Maharishi himself back in the early days of his teaching -- all said the same thing: DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM. Don't believe anything they tell you, and certainly don't live your life based upon what they tell you. Because you DON'T know who or what you are dealing with. You know only what they appear to be, or what they have told you they are. 'Nuff said. I see what you mean-- I missed your earlier post-- Yep, I completely agree-- sounds creepy anyway. I have had visions fwiw but no direct speech-- more like vibrational attunement, if that makes sense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual vs Spiritism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---I'm not so sure. Once, my deceased Mother appeared to me in the dream state saying that in the near future there would be an ant invasion in my apt. Sure enough, 2 weeks later there was an ant invasion, but I nipped it in the bud. Good information! too cool! I have seen my deceased brother in the dream state as well-- very real and knew he was OK. Can also pick up the status of deceased relatives soon after they have passed away, but can't find them anymore after a few months or years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News For Shemp - Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now we can all eat frozen crow. snip on the other hand, I have heard a theory that this is because of the melting of the ice caps, lowering the temps of the oceans and causing the cooler weather.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good News For Shemp - Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling
sandiego108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now we can all eat frozen crow. snip on the other hand, I have heard a theory that this is because of the melting of the ice caps, lowering the temps of the oceans and causing the cooler weather. I don't think it is so much a theory but the way things work. Ice caps melt and do lower the temperatures. The winter for the Bay Area has been colder than usual. When I first moved here in the 1990s low temperatures during winter might have lasted a couple weeks but we have had a couple of months of low temperatures. The anti-Global Warming folks are scared because they see fascist like programs arising using the excuse of green energy for their existence kind of like BushCo uses terrorists as an excuse for everything. There is some truth in sun cycles but humanity layers on top of that with pollution, etc. But we also have to be careful we don't sign off on a bunch of stuff that is going to cost us in the long run. The problem needs to be laid squarely at the feet of government and business both of whom have been lax about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual vs Spiritism
---Thx. A few times I've projected my mind into the minds of deceased people seeking to find out what they were fixated upon. Once, I perceived a thought bubble my deceased Bro. was creating in which he was witnessing a drag racing event (that was his foremost interest in life). Then, recently, I perceived a thought bubble of Charlie Lutes. It seemed he was running on automatic, sinking into a former memory that he was recycling as if a broken record: (he was lecturing at Manly P. Hall's Philosophical Research center in Hollywood - something he evidently enjoyed a lot). In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: ---I'm not so sure. Once, my deceased Mother appeared to me in the dream state saying that in the near future there would be an ant invasion in my apt. Sure enough, 2 weeks later there was an ant invasion, but I nipped it in the bud. Good information! too cool! I have seen my deceased brother in the dream state as well-- very real and knew he was OK. Can also pick up the status of deceased relatives soon after they have passed away, but can't find them anymore after a few months or years.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good News For Shemp - Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling
The way weather systems work is based in Therodynamics. That is, heat always flows to cool. Thus weather begins at the equator and moves to the poles. Sometimes it doesn't seem like that, but that's because weather is complicated. Initial global warming should show dramaticly enhanced weather patterns. Obviously nature will work to promote entropy or the heterogeneous mixture of weather systems. So at some advanced stage of global warming weather systems will then stall and show little propensity for movement. The study also does not mention where the temperatures were taken. Greater precipitation as rain and snow show in fact greater amounts of warm fronts which were necessary to produce the sort of clouds which carry precipitation. Thus a ground temperature reading is not even remotely giving the correct picture. Average mean temperatures should be obtained from the troposphere in toto. More snow equals more warm fronts, not more cold fronts. All fronts cool before they release their mass. Due to raising in the troposphere and encountering cooler space. That report was an anecdotal extrapolation by non-scientists. It is not a testable and scientific theory and certainly not contaning any hypothesis. People seem to miss the mystical element inherent in the above article about 'cooling of the sun' or 'less intense sun's rays.' That is highly improbable. Moreover, as most people will know, just as how the earth is millions of miles farther from the sun during the warm season and closer to the sun during cold season, it is the tilting of the earth which produces seasons. That's because the Sun's rays do not encounter any real filtering in deep space so they are pretty much just as strong within an x number of millions of miles. - Original Message - From: sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good News For Shemp - Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now we can all eat frozen crow. snip on the other hand, I have heard a theory that this is because of the melting of the ice caps, lowering the temps of the oceans and causing the cooler weather. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium
TurquoiseB wrote: The Tudors is more like the Disney version of history than history. But it *was* gorgeous, and I enjoyed it thoroughly even given the inaccuracies. You must have seen an airline version then. The Tudors on Showtime would not be made by Disney. Too much skin. :-) I'm waiting for the second season but at the same time thinking about trimming my cable bill. A lot of people are thinking that way as they find they are blowing $100 or more for stuff they never watch. They used to justify it during the good times as they would spend more than that on a night on the town. I don't think they're doing so many of those nights on the town anymore either.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual vs Spiritism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: ---I'm not so sure. Once, my deceased Mother appeared to me in the dream state saying that in the near future there would be an ant invasion in my apt. Sure enough, 2 weeks later there was an ant invasion, but I nipped it in the bud. Good information! For the record, the same teacher gave different advice for dreams. I have been speaking about visions and hearing voices in the waking state. The advice had to do with him or any spiritual teacher with whom the students might have an affinity. If *they* seemed to appear to the student in dreams, his advice was to try to be aware of how you *feel* the moment you wake up. If you feel heavy, as if the teacher has been ragging on you and telling you something profound but a downer, in his opinion it wasn't the teacher but someone/something impersonating him. On the other hand, if you laugh a lot in the dream plane and wake up feeling bright and alert and still happy, it might very well be. I know this may not be applicable, but I'm passing it along in case it might be to anyone else. This advice never steered me wrong. snip Yep-- I was going to mention something about this earlier, but you nailed it-- the *feeling* of the experience is so key.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium
On Mar 4, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Bhairitu wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: The Tudors is more like the Disney version of history than history. But it *was* gorgeous, and I enjoyed it thoroughly even given the inaccuracies. You must have seen an airline version then. The Tudors on Showtime would not be made by Disney. Too much skin. :-) I'm waiting for the second season but at the same time thinking about trimming my cable bill. A lot of people are thinking that way as they find they are blowing $100 or more for stuff they never watch. They used to justify it during the good times as they would spend more than that on a night on the town. I don't think they're doing so many of those nights on the town anymore either. I feel your pain. I spend 90 bucks a months on satellite alone and if it weren't for the DVR, I'd miss just about everything. Most of the time I go to watch something live, even with a gazillion channels, there ain't nutting to watch. Between Showtime and HBO packages, it an additional 23 bucks a month--but most of the good series--the Sopranos, Deadwood, Entourage, etc. either are finished or aren't playing. Have you seen The Minor Accomplishments of Jackie Woodman? Hilarious series. Fortunately I live in an area with a lot of inexpensive concerts, so that's nice to have.
[FairfieldLife] Another idiot in the White House...
John McCain's Autism Comment Prompts Outrage in the Blogosphere Sen. John McCain has set science bloggers on fire by saying there is strong evidence that mercury in vaccines causes autism. He was responding to a question at a town hall meeting last week, Jake Tapper of ABC News reports. The blogosphere reacted violently mainly in anger and disappointment. No, no, no, no, no! wrote Orac, the anonymous scientist at Respectful Insolence. McCain needs to replace his medical and scientific advisors forthwith and find some who understand science and clinical trials. The main problem with such a claim is not that just it's untrue, wrote Sean Carroll at Cosmic Variance, in this case the stupidity can cause people to die. By accepting the discredited link between vaccines and autism, McCain has shown his judgment falls far short of that required for the head of a modern nation-state, said James Hrynyshyn, the blogger at Island of Doubt. This is nonsense on stilts, wrote Megan McArdle at The Atlantic's blog Asymmetrical Information. She guesses that he might have said so in order to court the voting bloc of those who believe vaccines cause autism. The researchers who study [mercury in vaccines] probably weren't going to vote for McCain anyway. Other responses from bloggers included Absolutely despicable, He's an antivax idiot, and when politicians step into the scientific arena, they better know what they are talking about. McCain clearly does not on this issue.
[FairfieldLife] Rest in Peace Gary Gygax
I suddenly feel old. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080304/ap_en_ot/obit_gygax Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:16 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote: Why do you want to argue with me? I missed the journal reference, that is all. Judy kindly gave it to me right away. Earth shattering? You think that anything in all the studies is earth shattering? Like what? Brain wave coherence? Interesting but BFD. Best from a methodological point of view includes, but it not limited to, research where the researchers involved do not have an agenda and do not cherry pick participants. You know, I am sick of all the arguing. I would have become a lawyer if I thought the best way to find truth was through argument. I am going to read what Judy and Vaj were kind enough to point me to and get on with my life. Ruth, M.A. Psychology, M.D. and lobbyist extraordinaire Ditto on arguing. Anytime you post anything on research, this is what happens. There's more research coming out all the time and it is quite interesting--and it is improving in quality. But I'd really like to hear it from people who independent. Name someone who is independent when itcomes to this stuff. There's durned few, if any, researchers who don't have an ax to grind when it comes to meditation research. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Why do you want to argue with me? I missed the journal reference, that is all. Judy kindly gave it to me right away. Well, yes you did: ON the front page, a rather unmistakeable logo of a major publisher of scientific paper. What I was really wondering is if you had glanced at the URL in teh first place before you shot your mouth off. Earth shattering? You think that anything in all the studies is earth shattering? Like what? Brain wave coherence? Interesting but BFD. Again, you obviously didn't look at the article. The article in question proposed that there were specific, replicable, physiological and psychological signs of enlightenment... If that isn't earth-shattering, I don't know what is. Best from a methodological point of view includes, but it not limited to, research where the researchers involved do not have an agenda and do not cherry pick participants. Er, in the case of the study in question, they asked people who were experiencing 24 hour a day witnessing for at least one year (some as long as 10-12 years) to submit to physiological and psychological testing and interviews. By definition, that's a cherry-picked group. Would you suggest they look for such a group of people randomly selected off the street? You know, I am sick of all the arguing. I would have become a lawyer if I thought the best way to find truth was through argument. I am going to read what Judy and Vaj were kind enough to point me to and get on with my life. Carry on. Ruth, M.A. Psychology, M.D. and lobbyist extraordinaire And not willing to admit you goofed, either and instead pointing fingers at me for pointing out you shot your mouth off without looking (and obviously STILL haven't, even now). Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And not willing to admit you goofed, either and instead pointing fingers at me for pointing out you shot your mouth off without looking (and obviously STILL haven't, even now). Anyone who wonders why I'm not being all nice nice should glance at the url in question: http://www.brainresearchinstitute.org/research/ConcCog2004.pdf There is no way in hell anyone who had actually LOOKED at the URL before they opened their mouth would have asked the question that was asked. I'm usually polite, but not in the mood today. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] India photos
From Marty Hulsebos (Purusha friend): I have started to put the India photos on my web site. Since there are so many, I am putting them up in stages. I hope to have the rest up in the coming days. Here is the link http://www.beingandseeing.com/maharishi . Please feel free to pass it around. - Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wagen? Versuchen Sie´s mit dem neuen Yahoo! Mail. image/png
[FairfieldLife] MMY: Every TM-Teacher is Maharishi's Successor
-Forwarded- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: 04.03.08 23:12:24 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: MMY: Every TM-Teacher is Maharishi's Successor ___ MMY: Every TM-Teacher is the Successor of Maharishi ___ Maharishi said, each TM-Teacher is his Successor. Here I send you a quote of Maharishi as a transcribed text. And as an attachment to this E-mail the same as an audio in original sound of Maharishi. - It is an excerpt of a radio-interview. Jai Guru Dev _ About the topic Successor of Maharishi follows here an: Excerpt from an interview of a Canadian radio station (CBC - Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) from the 5th May 1991 from the moderator Vicky Gabereau with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: _ RADIO: In a way he (Guru Dev) - you were not alone, I suppose, but - when he died you became in part a successor to his way, and - I mean, I'm not rushing this or anything, but - , do you have somebody or some people in mind, that will succeed you when you are no longer part of this earth? MAHARISHI: I think by that time the whole world be will like that. RADIO: You think? MAHARISHI: Yes, yes. Because we are quite a way up in creating heaven on earth. The heaven on earth will have lots of people as successor of this knowledge. Even by now there are about - what? - about 40.000 teachers of Transcendental Meditation. And they are all the successors of this beautiful vedic wisdom. So there is no dearth of successors. RADIO: So that was your role - to spread the word. MAHARISHI: Right, right. RADIO: And you have done it. I must say, you have done it, haven't you? MAHARISHI: Thank you for acknowledging it. (Both are laughing.) - Interview of CBC - Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, 5th May 1991 _ Jai Guru Dev _ ___ Jetzt neu! Schützen Sie Ihren PC mit McAfee und WEB.DE. 30 Tage kostenlos testen. http://www.pc-sicherheit.web.de/startseite/?mc=00 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: Every TM-Teacher is Maharishi's Successor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Forwarded- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: 04.03.08 23:12:24 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: MMY: Every TM-Teacher is Maharishi's Successor ___ MMY: Every TM-Teacher is the Successor of Maharishi ___ Maharishi said, each TM-Teacher is his Successor. Here I send you a quote of Maharishi as a transcribed text. And as an attachment to this E-mail the same as an audio in original sound of Maharishi. - It is an excerpt of a radio-interview. Jai Guru Dev _ About the topic Successor of Maharishi follows here an: Excerpt from an interview of a Canadian radio station (CBC - Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) from the 5th May 1991 from the moderator Vicky Gabereau with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: _ RADIO: In a way he (Guru Dev) - you were not alone, I suppose, but - when he died you became in part a successor to his way, and - I mean, I'm not rushing this or anything, but - , do you have somebody or some people in mind, that will succeed you when you are no longer part of this earth? MAHARISHI: I think by that time the whole world be will like that. RADIO: You think? MAHARISHI: Yes, yes. Because we are quite a way up in creating heaven on earth. The heaven on earth will have lots of people as successor of this knowledge. Even by now there are about - what? - about 40.000 teachers of Transcendental Meditation. And they are all the successors of this beautiful vedic wisdom. So there is no dearth of successors. RADIO: So that was your role - to spread the word. MAHARISHI: Right, right. RADIO: And you have done it. I must say, you have done it, haven't you? MAHARISHI: Thank you for acknowledging it. (Both are laughing.) - Interview of CBC - Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, 5th May 1991 _ Jai Guru Dev Anyone has a right to teach meditation, wether they learned it from MMY or not. They do NOT have the right to call it Transcendental Meditation, as that is a trademark. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Moses was High
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gEOpkeLopJixolK1-9AQ_zNeWe5g Yeah!
[FairfieldLife] Monkeys Hallucinating on Millipedes
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=24260 Monkeys in Florida Get High on Millipede Hallucinogen A species of millipede which originated in the West Indies but has recently appeared in parts of South Florida seems to have a hallucinogenic effect on Monkeys. The monkeys bite the millipedes, then reach behind their backs and rub it on their fur. Their eyes glaze over and they're completely focused on what they're doing said the head of the primate conservation group based at the Monkey Jungle, a Miami-Dade tourist attraction. He likens it to the way that cats react to catnip. Monkeys even pass the bugs around, five members of a monkey family shared a millipede and they turned into a writhing mass. So now when they see primates rolling around at the bottom of their cage caretakers know they are just under the influence.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.
On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:33 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:16 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote: Why do you want to argue with me? I missed the journal reference, that is all. Judy kindly gave it to me right away. Earth shattering? You think that anything in all the studies is earth shattering? Like what? Brain wave coherence? Interesting but BFD. Best from a methodological point of view includes, but it not limited to, research where the researchers involved do not have an agenda and do not cherry pick participants. You know, I am sick of all the arguing. I would have become a lawyer if I thought the best way to find truth was through argument. I am going to read what Judy and Vaj were kind enough to point me to and get on with my life. Ruth, M.A. Psychology, M.D. and lobbyist extraordinaire Ditto on arguing. Anytime you post anything on research, this is what happens. There's more research coming out all the time and it is quite interesting--and it is improving in quality. But I'd really like to hear it from people who independent. Name someone who is independent when itcomes to this stuff. There's durned few, if any, researchers who don't have an ax to grind when it comes to meditation research. That's what researchers who have bad data or bad conclusions historically would, of course, want you to believe. Where better than a meditation marketing cult to pull that kinda scene, huh? In the real world people with impeccable reputations and stellar research want to maintain that reputation and thus avoid such tactics. It's actually more common for them to not respond to egregious research or at worst simply reply factually. I don't see any ax grinding going on, after all in science, it's either good science or it's not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.
On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:45 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And not willing to admit you goofed, either and instead pointing fingers at me for pointing out you shot your mouth off without looking (and obviously STILL haven't, even now). Anyone who wonders why I'm not being all nice nice should glance at the url in question: http://www.brainresearchinstitute.org/research/ConcCog2004.pdf There is no way in hell anyone who had actually LOOKED at the URL before they opened their mouth would have asked the question that was asked. I'm usually polite, but not in the mood today. Maybe others wondered like I did: how the hell did they get this published? I mean you'd need a cult of people obsessively applying again and again to journals to pull off a stunt like that, doncha think?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.
On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:41 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Why do you want to argue with me? I missed the journal reference, that is all. Judy kindly gave it to me right away. Well, yes you did: ON the front page, a rather unmistakeable logo of a major publisher of scientific paper. What I was really wondering is if you had glanced at the URL in teh first place before you shot your mouth off. Earth shattering? You think that anything in all the studies is earth shattering? Like what? Brain wave coherence? Interesting but BFD. Again, you obviously didn't look at the article. The article in question proposed that there were specific, replicable, physiological and psychological signs of enlightenment... According to whom? Have you independently corroborated what those signs are in the Shank. trad. of what you're claiming? Can you provide a shastric reference? Familiar with the term self-fulfilling prophecy? If that isn't earth-shattering, I don't know what is. Best from a methodological point of view includes, but it not limited to, research where the researchers involved do not have an agenda and do not cherry pick participants. Er, in the case of the study in question, they asked people who were experiencing 24 hour a day witnessing for at least one year (some as long as 10-12 years) to submit to physiological and psychological testing and interviews. ROTFL Methinks you might want to take a close gander at Enlightenment Without God and please note the distinction between merely witnessing waking, dreaming and sleeping and what actual witnessing is. Don't assume the feeling-tone of witnessing you've been lead to believe is actually witnessing in the advaita sense of that word. TMers and TM researchers have mood-made their own definition for decades. They're clueless. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Haven't any of you even at least thought of independent inquiry to gain some honest perspective? They end up looking like fools. It would really be nice to at least have some sense of what the traditional experiential hallmarks are, wouldn't it? Please Lawson, share what you believe they are! By definition, that's a cherry-picked group. Would you suggest they look for such a group of people randomly selected off the street? Random TMers dude, random. Otherwise they could be merely be cherry picking people with the same anomalies!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga at the speed of light
Kirk Okay see you all again sometime later when I am allowed to continue posting or I may be banned for a week. Ciao. Rick: By my count you've only done 32 posts so far this week. The quota is 50, so you're fine. Rick, This is new Kirk. A Kirk, I dare say, we haven't seen before. A kinder, gentler Kirk. I keep waiting to see the old Kirk EXPLODE! back out. I like the new Kirk. I liked the old Kirk. Which one is the.. real. Kirk?
[FairfieldLife] A class mate from MIU does great things
This was a friend of mine http://www.valleyhealthlink.com/default.aspx?tabid=608 MIU Class of 87 Peter Selufsky
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium
Vaj wrote: On Mar 4, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Bhairitu wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: The Tudors is more like the Disney version of history than history. But it *was* gorgeous, and I enjoyed it thoroughly even given the inaccuracies. You must have seen an airline version then. The Tudors on Showtime would not be made by Disney. Too much skin. :-) I'm waiting for the second season but at the same time thinking about trimming my cable bill. A lot of people are thinking that way as they find they are blowing $100 or more for stuff they never watch. They used to justify it during the good times as they would spend more than that on a night on the town. I don't think they're doing so many of those nights on the town anymore either. I feel your pain. I spend 90 bucks a months on satellite alone and if it weren't for the DVR, I'd miss just about everything. Most of the time I go to watch something live, even with a gazillion channels, there ain't nutting to watch. Between Showtime and HBO packages, it an additional 23 bucks a month--but most of the good series--the Sopranos, Deadwood, Entourage, etc. either are finished or aren't playing. Have you seen The Minor Accomplishments of Jackie Woodman? Hilarious series. Fortunately I live in an area with a lot of inexpensive concerts, so that's nice to have. DVRs are handy but instead of paying Comcast extra to have an HD DVR (and to even get one they want you to sign up for more packages) I use my computers as DVRs for the local network channels. Most everything else I can get OnDemand in HD. I just look at all those channels I get but don't watch as welfare recipients. Having BluRay I would prefer to rent the disks as the quality is much better than cable HD. Appointment TV (watching at a program's scheduled time) is so passe. And sometimes I think I'm over entertained anyway and need to make more of my own entertainment. I just picked up Anime Studio 5 which was on sale at Fry's for $10 after rebates. I made some videos for YouTube using video and the iClone 3D program but 3D is time consuming and sometimes all I want is just some cartoon stuff. Anime Studio is pretty easy to use (much better thought out than iClone) and so soon I'll have some more music videos up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:33 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:16 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote: Why do you want to argue with me? I missed the journal reference, that is all. Judy kindly gave it to me right away. Earth shattering? You think that anything in all the studies is earth shattering? Like what? Brain wave coherence? Interesting but BFD. Best from a methodological point of view includes, but it not limited to, research where the researchers involved do not have an agenda and do not cherry pick participants. You know, I am sick of all the arguing. I would have become a lawyer if I thought the best way to find truth was through argument. I am going to read what Judy and Vaj were kind enough to point me to and get on with my life. Ruth, M.A. Psychology, M.D. and lobbyist extraordinaire Ditto on arguing. Anytime you post anything on research, this is what happens. There's more research coming out all the time and it is quite interesting--and it is improving in quality. But I'd really like to hear it from people who independent. Name someone who is independent when itcomes to this stuff. There's durned few, if any, researchers who don't have an ax to grind when it comes to meditation research. That's what researchers who have bad data or bad conclusions historically would, of course, want you to believe. Where better than a meditation marketing cult to pull that kinda scene, huh? In the real world people with impeccable reputations and stellar research want to maintain that reputation and thus avoid such tactics. It's actually more common for them to not respond to egregious research or at worst simply reply factually. I don't see any ax grinding going on, after all in science, it's either good science or it's not. Er, no. Meditation research isn't sexy or rewarding enough to attract mainstream researchers. Viretually all studies are small, and/or are conducted by people with a certain expectation about what they're going to find. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:45 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: And not willing to admit you goofed, either and instead pointing fingers at me for pointing out you shot your mouth off without looking (and obviously STILL haven't, even now). Anyone who wonders why I'm not being all nice nice should glance at the url in question: http://www.brainresearchinstitute.org/research/ConcCog2004.pdf There is no way in hell anyone who had actually LOOKED at the URL before they opened their mouth would have asked the question that was asked. I'm usually polite, but not in the mood today. Maybe others wondered like I did: how the hell did they get this published? I mean you'd need a cult of people obsessively applying again and again to journals to pull off a stunt like that, doncha think? Or maybe not. You'd have to ask more than one person about it Vaj. Davidson et al. make a comment which I didn't even catch the first few reads. They referred to the 2004 study and groused there was no physiological data to back it up, but in the abstract of that 2004 study,Travis et al. point out that this was followup psychological testing study on people for which they had already published physiological research, so of course there was no physiological data in that study to back up their work. It was in the previous study published on the same group of people. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:41 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: [...] Why do you want to argue with me? I missed the journal reference, that is all. Judy kindly gave it to me right away. Well, yes you did: ON the front page, a rather unmistakeable logo of a major publisher of scientific paper. What I was really wondering is if you had glanced at the URL in teh first place before you shot your mouth off. Earth shattering? You think that anything in all the studies is earth shattering? Like what? Brain wave coherence? Interesting but BFD. Again, you obviously didn't look at the article. The article in question proposed that there were specific, replicable, physiological and psychological signs of enlightenment... According to whom? Have you independently corroborated what those signs are in the Shank. trad. of what you're claiming? Can you provide a shastric reference? Familiar with the term self-fulfilling prophecy? according to MMY's definition, of course. If that isn't earth-shattering, I don't know what is. Best from a methodological point of view includes, but it not limited to, research where the researchers involved do not have an agenda and do not cherry pick participants. Er, in the case of the study in question, they asked people who were experiencing 24 hour a day witnessing for at least one year (some as long as 10-12 years) to submit to physiological and psychological testing and interviews. ROTFL Methinks you might want to take a close gander at Enlightenment Without God and please note the distinction between merely witnessing waking, dreaming and sleeping and what actual witnessing is. Don't assume the feeling-tone of witnessing you've been lead to believe is actually witnessing in the advaita sense of that word. TMers and TM researchers have mood-made their own definition for decades. They're clueless. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Haven't any of you even at least thought of independent inquiry to gain some honest perspective? They end up looking like fools. Well, news to everyone but you, raj. The research on breath suspension and physiological states is what prompted Forman to coin the term Pure Consciousness Event and a web search of PCE - transcendental meditation yields over a 1000 hits, so its a reasonably common term these days, based on TM research originally. It would really be nice to at least have some sense of what the traditional experiential hallmarks are, wouldn't it? Please Lawson, share what you believe they are! By definition, that's a cherry-picked group. Would you suggest they look for such a group of people randomly selected off the street? Random TMers dude, random. Otherwise they could be merely be cherry picking people with the same anomalies! They asked for people reporting specific internal mental landscapes and tested to see if there were physiological and psychological correlates of the self-reports of transcendental consciousness along with waking, dreaming and sleeping, just as the study says. Lawson
Re: Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)
Yes, Irmeli, I have discussed female mutilation with these gentlemen. They are no longer young. Let's see, they were in their early twenties in 1982, so they are now pushing fifty. They are all intelligent, kind, and spiritually inclined men who appear to respect women. At least, they respect me very much. I was their teacher, and they still think of me that way, which is a little weird from my point of view. So it must be the case that not all Muslims are stupid and bigoted. a --- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must have some very different Muslims in Europe than the ones I have met here. In 1982 I taught a very unusual class of ESL at Kent State University. All 25 guys from Muslim and Arabic speaking countries. They were an amazing bunch of young gentlemen, and the only classes I've ever taught that were similar were the tenth grade boys at MSAE. Those young Muslims were intelligent, kind, and spiritual. I've kept in touch with a number of them, and they continue to be what they were then, except that with age, kindness has become more important to them than intelligence. a Those Muslim's I described I have not met personally. I was referring to interviews I have seen on TV or read from a newspaper or magazine. And every single time I have perceived errors in their conceptual thinking. Most recent was an interview of a Muslim spiritual leader in Finland. He was considered to be very moderate in his thinking. He explained a lot about what Muslim women are allowed to do, and what not, and why their community controls so much their behaviour. He explained how this actually benefits and protects the women. He also said that men and women are equal. Then the interviewer asked about the female genital mutilation. The man told he does not accept it. Then the interviewer said that it is done here in Finland also. The man admitted it. The interviewer asked then what he has done to stop this practise. He answered: I'm not the guard of my brother. What kind of logic is this? He doesn't guard his brothers, but he says he guards his sisters to protect them. But actually allows the most terrible cruelty being done to girls, because he does not guard what the Muslim community does to their girls, even if he does not accept this doing. This is truly convoluted reasoning. In every interview so far I have perceived some similar sort fundamental errors in their conceptual reasoning. Did you ever discuss these kinds of matters with those young men? Irmeli Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Benefits of drinking Alkaline ionized water.
I am offering to deliver for free for 30 days to anyone who'd like to try it. Yes there's a lot of naysayers out there touting various claims that there machine does the same as Enagic's, and there's of course those who claim none of them do any good at all. I looked at all this before I bought one. To me I am kind of agnostic on all the competing claims. All I know is my own experience. My chronic eye strain was just that chronic. The first night I started drinking it 8 days ago, I could barely keep my left eye open and they were very red. Next day they were clear and I have had no irritation or redness since. Cheaper units claim to be comparable, but I have heard so many remarkable first hand accounts like mine for Enagic's products that I feel it has to be in the ORP not the alkalinity that is the magic bullet here. The ORP is the oxidation reduction potential and it combats oxidation or aging in the body. So if anyone wants to try it out for free for 30 days at absolutely no obligation e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call 209-9964. There are no strings attached to this offer. Look at these YouTubes and judge for yourself: Testimonials on Health benefits (9 mins) this is the best! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7794514769969041118 Dissolve tough oils like Sesame Oil with Kangen water. This is amazing! (2 mins): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5005548354459164970 Remarkable colon cleanse in 3 months with Kangen Water (6 mins): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5222059801927869350 Dr George Carpenter Kangen Water presentation: 1 hr 35 mins http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2653086841798908417
[FairfieldLife] Vermont Rocks
Vt. towns OK Bush 'indictment' Symbolic measure calls for arrest of president, VP, if they visit towns updated 7:17 p.m. CT, Tues., March. 4, 2008 BRATTLEBORO, Vt. - Voters in two Vermont towns approved measures Tuesday calling for the indictment of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for what they consider violations of the Constitution. More symbolic than anything, the items sought to have police arrest Bush and Cheney if they ever visit Brattleboro or nearby Marlboro or to extradite them for prosecution elsewhere - if they're not impeached first. In Brattleboro, the vote was 2,012-1,795. In Marlboro, which held a town meeting on the issue, it was 43-25 with three abstentions. It really carries no weight, said Brattleboro Town Clerk Annette Cappy. Our town attorney has no legal authority to draw up any papers to allow our police officers to do so, but the gentleman who initiated the petition, got the signatures, wanted it on the ballot to make a statement. The measure in Marlboro isn't binding because it didn't appear on the warning for the meeting, according to Nora Wilson. It was emotional. There were heartfelt speeches on both sides, Wilson said. The question put to voters in Brattleboro referred to crimes against our Constitution but did not specify the allegations. 'An extreme thing to do' In Brattleboro, a steady stream of voters paraded into the Union High School gym to cast their ballots on a day when school board elections and Vermont's presidential primary were also on the slate. Voters interviewed after casting ballots said they saw the article as an opportunity to express their frustration over the war in Iraq and Bush's tenure in general. I realize it's an extreme thing to do, and really silly in a way, said Robert George, 74, a retired photographer. But I'm really angry about us getting involved in the war in Iraq and him (Bush) disrespecting the will of the people. Ian Kelley, 41, a radio DJ, said he didn't vote on the article. It's not a good reflection on the town, he said. Do I like either of them and would I vote for them? No. But I don't think it's cause to arrest them. Barbara Southworth, a 66-year-old nurse, said she would have voted against it. I forgot to vote because it was on the flip side, she said. The White House press office didn't immediately respond to a request for comment, but a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee denounced the indictment effort. It appears that the left wing knows no bounds in their willingness to waste taxpayer dollars to make a futile counterproductive partisan political point, said Blair Latoff. Town people would be much better served by elected officials who sought to solve problems rather than create them. URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23472875/ MSN Privacy . Legal © 2008 MSNBC.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vermont Rocks
Just today I was wishing for some transparency for these two 'gents.' - Original Message - From: Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vermont Rocks Vt. towns OK Bush 'indictment' Symbolic measure calls for arrest of president, VP, if they visit towns updated 7:17 p.m. CT, Tues., March. 4, 2008 BRATTLEBORO, Vt. - Voters in two Vermont towns approved measures Tuesday calling for the indictment of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for what they consider violations of the Constitution. More symbolic than anything, the items sought to have police arrest Bush and Cheney if they ever visit Brattleboro or nearby Marlboro or to extradite them for prosecution elsewhere - if they're not impeached first. In Brattleboro, the vote was 2,012-1,795. In Marlboro, which held a town meeting on the issue, it was 43-25 with three abstentions. It really carries no weight, said Brattleboro Town Clerk Annette Cappy. Our town attorney has no legal authority to draw up any papers to allow our police officers to do so, but the gentleman who initiated the petition, got the signatures, wanted it on the ballot to make a statement. The measure in Marlboro isn't binding because it didn't appear on the warning for the meeting, according to Nora Wilson. It was emotional. There were heartfelt speeches on both sides, Wilson said. The question put to voters in Brattleboro referred to crimes against our Constitution but did not specify the allegations. 'An extreme thing to do' In Brattleboro, a steady stream of voters paraded into the Union High School gym to cast their ballots on a day when school board elections and Vermont's presidential primary were also on the slate. Voters interviewed after casting ballots said they saw the article as an opportunity to express their frustration over the war in Iraq and Bush's tenure in general. I realize it's an extreme thing to do, and really silly in a way, said Robert George, 74, a retired photographer. But I'm really angry about us getting involved in the war in Iraq and him (Bush) disrespecting the will of the people. Ian Kelley, 41, a radio DJ, said he didn't vote on the article. It's not a good reflection on the town, he said. Do I like either of them and would I vote for them? No. But I don't think it's cause to arrest them. Barbara Southworth, a 66-year-old nurse, said she would have voted against it. I forgot to vote because it was on the flip side, she said. The White House press office didn't immediately respond to a request for comment, but a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee denounced the indictment effort. It appears that the left wing knows no bounds in their willingness to waste taxpayer dollars to make a futile counterproductive partisan political point, said Blair Latoff. Town people would be much better served by elected officials who sought to solve problems rather than create them. URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23472875/ MSN Privacy . Legal © 2008 MSNBC.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News For Shemp - Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Now we can all eat frozen crow. snip on the other hand, I have heard a theory that this is because of the melting of the ice caps, lowering the temps of the oceans and causing the cooler weather. Cool. PavlovsDog
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vermont Rocks
Vermont Rocks Old 'OffWorld' used to say that all the time ! PavlovsDog --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vt. towns OK Bush 'indictment' Symbolic measure calls for arrest of president, VP, if they visit towns updated 7:17 p.m. CT, Tues., March. 4, 2008 BRATTLEBORO, Vt. - Voters in two Vermont towns approved measures Tuesday calling for the indictment of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for what they consider violations of the Constitution. More symbolic than anything, the items sought to have police arrest Bush and Cheney if they ever visit Brattleboro or nearby Marlboro or to extradite them for prosecution elsewhere - if they're not impeached first. In Brattleboro, the vote was 2,012-1,795. In Marlboro, which held a town meeting on the issue, it was 43-25 with three abstentions. It really carries no weight, said Brattleboro Town Clerk Annette Cappy. Our town attorney has no legal authority to draw up any papers to allow our police officers to do so, but the gentleman who initiated the petition, got the signatures, wanted it on the ballot to make a statement. The measure in Marlboro isn't binding because it didn't appear on the warning for the meeting, according to Nora Wilson. It was emotional. There were heartfelt speeches on both sides, Wilson said. The question put to voters in Brattleboro referred to crimes against our Constitution but did not specify the allegations. 'An extreme thing to do' In Brattleboro, a steady stream of voters paraded into the Union High School gym to cast their ballots on a day when school board elections and Vermont's presidential primary were also on the slate. Voters interviewed after casting ballots said they saw the article as an opportunity to express their frustration over the war in Iraq and Bush's tenure in general. I realize it's an extreme thing to do, and really silly in a way, said Robert George, 74, a retired photographer. But I'm really angry about us getting involved in the war in Iraq and him (Bush) disrespecting the will of the people. Ian Kelley, 41, a radio DJ, said he didn't vote on the article. It's not a good reflection on the town, he said. Do I like either of them and would I vote for them? No. But I don't think it's cause to arrest them. Barbara Southworth, a 66-year-old nurse, said she would have voted against it. I forgot to vote because it was on the flip side, she said. The White House press office didn't immediately respond to a request for comment, but a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee denounced the indictment effort. It appears that the left wing knows no bounds in their willingness to waste taxpayer dollars to make a futile counterproductive partisan political point, said Blair Latoff. Town people would be much better served by elected officials who sought to solve problems rather than create them. URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23472875/ MSN Privacy . Legal © 2008 MSNBC.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: audio: Two mystical experiences by Governors after Maharishi's departure
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: havent you heard? the maharishi died last month. I was talking to him just the other day...however, it was a bit of a one way conversation as I recall now (?) Pavlovs_Dog some course participants had some mystical experiences related to the death, and their loss; their experiences are pretty far out there, and you can download the recording and listen. PavlovsDog wrote: What are you talking about? Re: Two experiences of Governors after Maharishi's departure as reported on Global Family Chat Feb 24, 2008 this is an audio of the broadcast, you can download the mp3 here: http://rapidshare.com/files/96244515/FamilyChat24Feb08.mp3.html ps - the site will invite you to join and pay for premium, but this is not required ... just go to the bottom of page and download for free. (expect a short wait period, typically a one minute; enter the CAPTCHA code; then just enjoy! from a friend: Yesterday during Maharishi Global Family Chat, Dr Peter Swan reported three experiences, starting with Raja John Hagelin's one which is posted at http://invincibleamerica.org Then he continued with the experiences of Salim Haddad from Lebanon and Jaan Suurkula from Estonia. The two last ones are recorded on the attached mp3 file. (Don't mind the music)... jai guru dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: India photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Marty Hulsebos (Purusha friend): I have started to put the India photos on my web site. Since there are so many, I am putting them up in stages. I hope to have the rest up in the coming days. Here is the link http://www.beingandseeing.com/maharishi . DON'T ClICK ON THAT LINK ! I made that mistake, and there there were... a pack of pansies in pavillion panamas, punting in the park, burning some poor pariah on a pedestalled pyre with great pomp and palavour. PavlovsDog Please feel free to pass it around. - Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wagen? Versuchen Sie´s mit dem neuen Yahoo! Mail.
[FairfieldLife] Re: India photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pavvlovs_dog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: From Marty Hulsebos (Purusha friend): I have started to put the India photos on my web site. Since there are so many, I am putting them up in stages. I hope to have the rest up in the coming days. Here is the link http://www.beingandseeing.com/maharishi . DON'T ClICK ON THAT LINK ! I made that mistake, and there there were... a pack of pansies in pavillion panamas, punting in the park, burning some poor pariah on a pedestalled pyre with great pomp and palavour. PavlovsDog Poor poser PavlovsDog pisses, prisses poetically- pompous prick.
[FairfieldLife] 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
The Hillary Clinton campaign will tempt Barack to get nasty. She and her husband are the Masters of Nasty. Born in 1947 (The Year of the Pig); She will devour anything in her way Born in November (The sign of Scorpio); She rules the underworld, and can get as nasty as they come. Barack has to be careful, not to get in the mud, and fight, with her... As he has a higher message of hope, unity and wisdom... Robert Gimbel Seattle, WA - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: audio: Two mystical experiences by Governors after Maharishi's departure
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pavvlovs_dog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: havent you heard? the maharishi died last month. I was talking to him just the other day...however, it was a bit of a one way conversation as I recall now (?) Pavlovs_Dog some course participants had some mystical experiences related to the death, and their loss; their experiences are pretty far out there, and you can download the recording and listen. PavlovsDog wrote: What are you talking about? Re: Two experiences of Governors after Maharishi's departure as reported on Global Family Chat Feb 24, 2008 this is an audio of the broadcast, you can download the mp3 here: http://rapidshare.com/files/96244515/FamilyChat24Feb08.mp3.html ps - the site will invite you to join and pay for premium, but this is not required ... just go to the bottom of page and download for free. (expect a short wait period, typically a one minute; enter the CAPTCHA code; then just enjoy! from a friend: Yesterday during Maharishi Global Family Chat, Dr Peter Swan reported three experiences, starting with Raja John Hagelin's one which is posted at http://invincibleamerica.org Then he continued with the experiences of Salim Haddad from Lebanon and Jaan Suurkula from Estonia. The two last ones are recorded on the attached mp3 file. (Don't mind the music)... jai guru dev Honestly, not BSing or mood making, this started happening to me right after MMY passed away.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moses was High
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gEOpkeLopJixolK1-9AQ_zNeWe5g Yeah! I always thought so. I mean, #1 and #2 are yer classic overblown ego syndrome that one sees with the minor psychedelics, the jealous God routine. #3 is pure druggie slacker stuff, declaring that because you don't want to work on the Sabbath, no one else can, either. As for #10, well...Moses may have held fast to #7 and not actually *committed* adultry, but if he never coveted his neighbor's wife, he either was too stoned to notice her, or he didn't live next door to Senora Alvarez like I do. :-)
Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)
Hi Angela! I also know personally some Muslims or former Muslims, who have come as refugees to Finland, and they are truly fine people. E.g. I have learned to know a conductor from Afghanistan, to whom I'm hiring an apartment. I don't perceive any serious defects in his reasoning. During the years I have also hired apartments to many kinds of Muslims. And I have seen severe domestic violence.The Muslim men are allowed to beat their wifes. The women are practically always very submissive, fearful.They don't speak to me, even if I'm a woman. Even the man interviewed in TV, I described earlier seemed to be a decent human being. However there were glaring defects in his reasoning concerning those matters.In other areas of life he probably would do better. Strong religious beliefs makes it almost impossible to think clearly, because then you would need to start questioning the ultimate truths of the doctrine.The same problem is in other religions. Although questioning is in them usually easier. The sanctions of doing it are not so horrifying. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Irmeli, I have discussed female mutilation with these gentlemen. They are no longer young. Let's see, they were in their early twenties in 1982, so they are now pushing fifty. They are all intelligent, kind, and spiritually inclined men who appear to respect women. At least, they respect me very much. I was their teacher, and they still think of me that way, which is a little weird from my point of view. So it must be the case that not all Muslims are stupid and bigoted. a --- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those Muslim's I described I have not met personally. I was referring to interviews I have seen on TV or read from a newspaper or magazine. And every single time I have perceived errors in their conceptual thinking. Most recent was an interview of a Muslim spiritual leader in Finland. He was considered to be very moderate in his thinking. He explained a lot about what Muslim women are allowed to do, and what not, and why their community controls so much their behaviour. He explained how this actually benefits and protects the women. He also said that men and women are equal. Then the interviewer asked about the female genital mutilation. The man told he does not accept it. Then the interviewer said that it is done here in Finland also. The man admitted it. The interviewer asked then what he has done to stop this practise. He answered: I'm not the guard of my brother. What kind of logic is this? He doesn't guard his brothers, but he says he guards his sisters to protect them. But actually allows the most terrible cruelty being done to girls, because he does not guard what the Muslim community does to their girls, even if he does not accept this doing. This is truly convoluted reasoning. In every interview so far I have perceived some similar sort fundamental errors in their conceptual reasoning. Did you ever discuss these kinds of matters with those young men? Irmeli Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:41 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: [...] Again, you obviously didn't look at the article. The article in question proposed that there were specific, replicable, physiological and psychological signs of enlightenment... According to whom? Have you independently corroborated what those signs are in the Shank. trad. of what you're claiming? Can you provide a shastric reference? Familiar with the term self-fulfilling prophecy? Exactly. I've noticed this for some time with Lawson's arguments. The data elements that he and the researchers he likes *think* are assoc- iated with enlightenment are more important to them than whether they're really enlighten- ment at all. They're just blips and squiggles on instruments. Someone had to *decide* that they had anything to do with something called enlightenment. And if they hadn't been LOOKING for something called enlightenment in the first place, they would never in a million years have suggested that as a coorelate to the blips and squiggles. It's putting the cart before the horse. The blips and squiggles don't drive enlightenment, they (if indeed they are even related to enlightenment) are *side effects* of it. And the side effects might vary from person to person for all that anyone knows. DECLARING that these here blips and squiggles indicate enlightenment is just a declaration by someone who wants people to believe him or her. Nothing more, nothing less. For that matter, the absolutist definitions of enlightenment one finds in the scriptures are nothing more than someone DECLARING a definition of enlightenment and hoping that people believe them, too, but they've at least got a thousand years of trial and error and replication behind them. THEY represent the scientific method far more than do the ravings of some scientists who have declared that they know what enlightenment is physiologically after one experiment. Bottom line for me is that science is at best poking around in and trying to make absolutist declarations about things it doesn't understand and possibly never will. Then again, that quite possibly describes every spiritual tradition in history, too. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: Every TM-Teacher is Maharishi's Successor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Forwarded- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: 04.03.08 23:12:24 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: MMY: Every TM-Teacher is Maharishi's Successor ___ MMY: Every TM-Teacher is the Successor of Maharishi ___ Cool. I herewith donate my share of the reputed 2.5 billion dollars to the Insight organization, which still teaches meditation, and teaches it for free.
