[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: Raunch, remember that there are guys who belong to FFL. Guys who paid the ultimate price for society and the survival of the Human Race: we married women. We know from experience that what our fathers taught us is forever true: that arguing with a woman is like trying to read a newspaper in the wind. Careful, dude. Your fathers' analogy was insufficient, because at some point the wind actually stops blowing. A couple of the female bags of hot wind on FFL never do. :-) We know why so many men die earlier than their wives: because they can. Funny. And possibly true. :-) We know what it's like to marry a women though we're not quite what they were looking for in a mate, but close enough, we can be trained. Wasn't there a Broadway show at one point called I love you, you're perfect, now change? I think that the last word on this subject belongs to scifi writer Robert Heinlein: Women and cats will do as they please and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: Raunch, remember that there are guys who belong to FFL. Guys who paid the ultimate price for society and the survival of the Human Race: we married women. We know from experience that what our fathers taught us is forever true: that arguing with a woman is like trying to read a newspaper in the wind. Careful, dude. Your fathers' analogy was insufficient, because at some point the wind actually stops blowing. A couple of the female bags of hot wind on FFL never do. :-) Old habits die hard. Barry, you just slammed Judy and perhaps me or dawn11 for no apparent reason. There is no honor in starting a stink just for the hell of it. Why not make your New Year's resolution and all those statistics you slaved over count for something? Barry wrote: But my resolution is to keep trying, and hopefully in 2009 the percentage of my posts that mention her [Judy] will be 0%. Hopefully. Wish me luck, all of you who have urged this. Message #203158 (Yes, indirect mentions count.) I'll do my best to keep the tone on FF Life civil by staying out of trench warfare with you, but I'll return fire if necessary. It's easy to sacrifice integrity if you don't have much to begin with. Try harder. We know why so many men die earlier than their wives: because they can. Funny. And possibly true. :-) We know what it's like to marry a women though we're not quite what they were looking for in a mate, but close enough, we can be trained. Wasn't there a Broadway show at one point called I love you, you're perfect, now change? I think that the last word on this subject belongs to scifi writer Robert Heinlein: Women and cats will do as they please and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of enlightened_dawn11 Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions that they wanted to build monumental tributes to him was something he could not and would not reject at the end of his life. They did not come up with the idea of building Towers of Invincibility, World's Tallest Building, etc. Your calling him the Maharishi implies you never spent much time around him. If you had, you would have observed that he was a cornucopia of such ideas. Few others came up with anything novel. Maharishi was the idea man. Others tried to fulfill his ideas. yes, i have heard this too, that the Maharishi came up with the ideas. seems appropriate. the point i was making was that his ideas were in response to what he saw as the needs of those around him and dedicated to him.
[FairfieldLife] Prediction
It shall be extremely cold in Europe between 9th and 18th January 2009, like it was e.g. during my siddhis course, around Christmas 1978... :-) Dear Governors, Sidhas, and Meditators, It is a pleasure to send you a reminder about the Global Assembly to be held from 9 to 18 January 2009, and in particular to send you more details about the important seminars that will be held each afternoon of the assembly. The celebrations will be held in MERU, Holland, and will be broadcast worldwide via Internet on the Maharishi Channel, so everyone who cannot attend in person will be able to enjoy the proceedings at their local Maharishi Invincibility Centre or in the comfort of their own home.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
Richard J. Williams wrote: menkemeyer wrote: Om Namah Shivaya is known as the great redeeming mantra also known as five-syllable mantra. Maybe so, but any word or phrase can be considered a 'mantra'. However, there are no mantras used in TM practice - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' mantras. What about the advanced techniques? That's not a bij mantra. When I talk about TM'ers being Saraswati worshipers, what exactly am I talking about? If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' then you're probably not practicing TM. Yes because it was not taught as a part of TM (though may have been on some of the Primodial Sounds tapes). But it is just as valid if not a powerful or more powerful than using just a bij mantra. The bij mantras or aksharas are used to enliven longer mantras. I think why MMY used them as first techniques (recommending the advanced technique to replace it after about a year and a half) because they don't take much to be lively and any idiot can initiate someone with them and get some results. Clever but again lacks the safety and balance that other programs have. If you wanted to, you could chant any number of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just as well use English for that purpose and repeat 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no 'magic' words in Sanskrit. The vibratory influence. English is frequently lacking in that. When I was learning Sanskrit some of the slokas would spontaneously invoke visions of ancient times which were sometimes a little disconcerting though cool.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions Robert: I didn't know who Ravi was, at the time, but the image of him, outside, all that time, wearing nothing but a dhoti and a blanket, impresses me, to this day. Rick: I helped set up the stage that day. There was an electric heater a few feet away from him, blowing on him. Now I have coffee in my nose! Thanks Rick! Ordinarily that Ayur Vedic treatment costs $1000, so you owe me one.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of enlightened_dawn11 Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of enlightened_dawn11 Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions that they wanted to build monumental tributes to him was something he could not and would not reject at the end of his life. They did not come up with the idea of building Towers of Invincibility, World's Tallest Building, etc. Your calling him the Maharishi implies you never spent much time around him. If you had, you would have observed that he was a cornucopia of such ideas. Few others came up with anything novel. Maharishi was the idea man. Others tried to fulfill his ideas. yes, i have heard this too, that the Maharishi came up with the ideas. seems appropriate. the point i was making was that his ideas were in response to what he saw as the needs of those around him and dedicated to him. So those around him needed the world's tallest building, to heap praise on Robert Mugabe, etc.?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letters on TM from religious/spiritual leaders
I'm out of town using somebody else's computer, so I'm only going to make one point in response to this until I get back, but it deals with what I would characterize as intellectual sloppiness on Ruth's part--not the only example in her post by any means, but a very clearcut example: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: This part of Judy and my exchange is interesting. I am doing this not to address the arguments we make but her style, which Judy maintains is one that exposes intellectual sloppiness and dishonesty. snip I said: And we disagree as to the extent of the problem. Ex teachers, Curtis, Turq, others, how much of the TTC was devoted to learning to teach? Judy said: Irrelevant (although Patrick, for one, disagrees with you). Again, she declares the conclusion without arguing why it is irrelevant. This response is intellectually sloppy because I had already explained why it was irrelevant. I had said I doubted Ruth could teach TM properly without taking TTC, and she disagreed, saying not that much of TTC was devoted to learning how to teach TM, as she does again above. I replied that I tended to agree about how much of TTC was spent learning the mechanics of instruction in TM, but that TTC was the only place you could learn those mechanics. Therefore, the percentage of TTC time devoted to the mechanics was irrelevant to whether Ruth could instruct someone in TM without having taken TTC. Ruth didn't address that point at all. Instead, she repeated her original point as if I had never raised that objection. My Irrelevant response above was by way of a reminder: I already dealt with this point, Ruth. I already explained why I thought it was irrelevant. Again, the issue I had been addressing was whether Ruth, as she had claimed, could teach TM successfully without taking TTC. If TTC is the only place that will give you the mechanics of instruction in TM, it's irrelevant how much of TTC is devoted to that aspect. Did Ruth forget what the issue was? Was she trying to change the subject? Did she not want to address my point? I can think of several possible responses she *could* have made that would have advanced the discussion. I don't know why she didn't make any of them. But for her to claim that I had declared the conclusion irrelevant without arguing why it was irrelevant is simply inaccurate, intellectually sloppy. More when I return...
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
So Doug, you're saying there are dome-eligible Fairfield 'rus who would rather meditate at home? I wonder if they reject the notion that group practice of the TM-Sidhi program creates good in society. It would be interesting if they believe in the efficacy of the TM-Sidhi program, but reject the Maharishi Effect. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Relevant thread, canvassing around as to why folks are not in the dome meditating, most often say they `like' meditating at home instead of the domes. That then breaks down, to that there is too much sleeping in the domes which dulls the experience, or there are too many people bad from the old TM-movement and therefore the feeling is bad in there and 3) there is a comunalenment in the group that the administration by their chs keeping it from happening. Doug, what are you saying in Point 3 above? Mostly folks in the larger meditating community would rather meditate at home and have a better experience than going up on campus. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of enlightened_dawn11 Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of enlightened_dawn11 Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions that they wanted to build monumental tributes to him was something he could not and would not reject at the end of his life. They did not come up with the idea of building Towers of Invincibility, World's Tallest Building, etc. Your calling him the Maharishi implies you never spent much time around him. If you had, you would have observed that he was a cornucopia of such ideas. Few others came up with anything novel. Maharishi was the idea man. Others tried to fulfill his ideas. yes, i have heard this too, that the Maharishi came up with the ideas. seems appropriate. the point i was making was that his ideas were in response to what he saw as the needs of those around him and dedicated to him. So those around him needed the world's tallest building, to heap praise on Robert Mugabe, etc.? if they stuck around, they apparently did. given that the Maharishi was not a personal guru, he was nonetheless a master imo at providing the conditions to break significant boundaries in the minds of his followers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Did George 'Do It' on purpose?...
main wrote: It's January, yet dispatches from Texas indicate that heat stroke occurs widely in the population for twelve months of the year there. Sounds to me like you've got a very strong prejudice against anyone who lives in Texas, and it shows. The temperature in Lubbock is now 24 degrees. Today's weather for Lubbock, Texas: http://tinyurl.com/8quuhy Have you ever thought about consulting a map or viewing a weather report BEFORE you open your pie-hole?
[FairfieldLife] Cadillac Records rocks!
I was worried. The actors in the film (other than Beyoncé)are not performing artists and they are playing some of the most charismatic performers in history; Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, Chuck Berry. Each of these performers projected such an aura of smirky sexuality and self confidence that I couldn't imagine that they could be captured by an actor who didn't perform music. Especially since all the actors did their own singing! They all nailed it. I have read numerous biographies of these founders of modern music so I went in feeling like I knew a lot about their personalities. The movie captured them without making them caricature of themselves. And I am girly-man enough to admit that I cried each time Beyoncé sang as Etta James. I am not really the biggest Beyoncé fan, but I believe we are just seeing the beginning of her talent. As life serves her what life serves up, she will ripen and she will be able to put out what she did stepping into this character in her own singing. This movie establishes a moment of African American history in our country that has influences popular music all over the world. It is so fitting that this came out with Obama getting ready to take the helm. Now I feel confident that Hollywood can be trusted to take a crack at my own musical focus, the acoustic performers who came before the Chicago Blues era. Like this film, they wont have to make gods out of those guys who invented modern popular music, they can show them with their personal flaws. And as they did with Adrien Brody as Leonard Chess, show how white folks have contributed to preserving this tradition, embracing and enriching it. It has taken the efforts of both races to preserve the blues. I'll leave you with one of my favorite scenes from the movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMxCKz2XnjE
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
menkemeyer wrote: Om Namah Shivaya is known as the great redeeming mantra also known as five-syllable mantra. Maybe so, but any word or phrase can be considered a 'mantra'. However, there are no mantras used in TM practice - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' mantras. If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' then you're probably not practicing TM. If you wanted to, you could chant any number of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just as well use English for that purpose and repeat 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no 'magic' words in Sanskrit. The Muktananda apparently used to chant this phrase, but he didn't get any esoteric bijas from his teacher Nityananda - maybe the Mukta just read it in a booklet somewhere.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: the grace of enlightenment can only be known through a receptive consciousness. for those who DEMAND PROOF of personal enlightenment, they might as well be chasing a kite in a hundred mile an hour wind. This contradicts MMYs teachings on enlightenment completely. Namely, that it is another state of consciousness and can be measured like all the others. [snip] Your point needs elaboration, like did MMY say you could objectively 'measure' enlightenment, and if so, how? I'm with Hugo on this one. I thought it was Maharishi University's job to determine the physiological parameters of higher states of consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Probably many Buddhists, not gaining any headway towards fulfillment due to their futile moodmaking in this and former lives seek the solace of this life's past activities; past opportunities opening upp early in their twenties, but so utterly vasted. I thing I learned on this forum is how the term moodmaking is such an insult. Kind of interesting. What I find interesting is the way that both Nabby and ED11 use Buddhist as an insult. That's just *classic* Shankaracharya religious bigotry; Shankara did the same thing. But what makes it funniest is that Vaj and I have said many times that neither of us is any kind of formal Buddhist. Both of us have studied in that tradition, and appreciate it, but I know that I'm not a member of any Buddhist sangha, and I don't think Vaj is. When I hear criticisms of MMY, some of which I make, I understand the reaction of the TB. Imagine if we talked about Jesus to Christians the way we talk about MMY? Bu...bu...but Jesus is the focal point of a *religion*, and the TM TBs here keep telling us over and over that TM is *not* a religion. Therefore Maharishi is Just Another Guy. Why shouldn't one talk about him just like we'd talk about any other guy? Since TM is not a religion and he is not the focal point of a religion, why should we cut him any special breaks? :-) Not saying we shouldn't, just that the TBs must be horrified. Clearly some of them *are* horrified, but there is a big difference in my opinion in how the more balanced and sane members of FFL *react* to criticism of MMY or TM and how the...uh...less sane members react. People like Peter and Robert and L.Shaddai have no problem responding to criticism of Maharishi and presenting their contrary and positive views of the man *without* feeling a need to demonize the critic. They merely present their view, and allow the critics to present theirs. Others seem capable only of demonizing the critics. *As I predicted last week*, this new year has started off with a veritable shitstorm of demonization, mainly of me, but with a little reserved for Vaj, who isn't even around this week. As I said last week, this is how they have been TAUGHT to react. If someone criticizes Maharishi, their first reaction is to do *anything* they can think of to demonize the critic, just as if (as you said above) they were fervent Christians and that critic had dared to criticize Jesus. I guess we should be thankful that the TM religion hasn't had time to establish itself yet. Give them eleven centuries and they'll not only attempt to demonize anyone who dares to criticize their holy leader, they'll burn them at the stake like the Inquisition did. :-) Can't you imagine the stories in the Fairfield newspapers when the TM religion *really* gets rolling? MAN EXECUTED FOR FAILING TO BOW The Raja in charge of the Ministry Of Holy Retaliation And Protection Of The Purity Of The Teaching has announced that yet another heretic has been executed for failing to offer proper respect to our beloved Maharishi. The heretic brazenly walked past the Holy Maharishi Tower Of Invincibility without fall- ing to his knees and bowing three times, as we all know that everyone should. He was apprehending by uniformed members of the SS (Samadhi Squad), who dragged him to the Min- istry, where he was pronounced guilty and summarily garroted in public. As is trad- itional, the heretic's remains will be not buried or cremated, but thrown onto a trash heap just outside the heavily-fortified border of Heaven On Earthland (formerly called 'Fairfield'), where his stinking corpse will serve as a reminder to other visitors that when they come to our town they have to obey our holy rules. The Raja finished his announcement by saying, Oh yeah...we're *still* not a religion. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: Prediction: It shall be extremely cold in Europe between 9th and 18th January 2009, like it was e.g. during my siddhis course, around Christmas 1978... :-) Card, *Not* to give you personally a hard time (since I like you so much) but to make a point about the nature of predictions, as I've been trying to do in the ongoing discussions of Jyotish/astrology, doncha think that your prediction above is a little vague and hazy? While it is certainly possible that the temperatures will be cold during this ten-day period (it being January and all), wouldn't you have to *define* extremely cold to have your prediction be verifiable? For example, according to one website I consulted, the average temperature during January for a few selected countries in Europe are: Finland: -6 degrees Celsius Norway: -5 degrees Celsius Sweden: -3 degrees Celsius Germany: -1 degrees Celsius Switzerland: 0 degrees Celsius Netherlands: +2 degrees Celsius France: +3 degrees Celsius UK: +5 degress Celsius So, to be more precise in your prediction (and thus allow it to be verifiable), what do you predict that the average temperature in each of these countries will be during the ten days of the course? ( I'll rely on you to follow up and keep track of the actual average temperatures in each of the countries during this period, if you want. I'm just making a point about the hazy nature of predictions and how people tend to get away with the haziness unless someone says something. ) Dear Governors, Sidhas, and Meditators, It is a pleasure to send you a reminder about the Global Assembly to be held from 9 to 18 January 2009, and in particular to send you more details about the important seminars that will be held each afternoon of the assembly. The celebrations will be held in MERU, Holland, and will be broadcast worldwide via Internet on the Maharishi Channel, so everyone who cannot attend in person will be able to enjoy the proceedings at their local Maharishi Invincibility Centre or in the comfort of their own home.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
Turq wrote: But what makes it funniest is that Vaj and I have said many times that neither of us is any kind of formal Buddhist. But in fact, Fred Lenz founded his very own religion called 'American Buddhism'; but it remains to be seen if you were a leader in that cult, like you claim to be in the Marshy cult. Go figure. Others seem capable only of demonizing the critics. So, you want to 'demonize' the TMers? This doesn't even make any sense, Turq. Apparently you wanted TM to be a religion, but when you found that it was just a relaxation technique, you became bitter and disappointed, so you walked away and joined another cult led by a guy who proclaimed himself as God incarnate, the tenth Vishnu Avatara. Go figure. ...who dragged him to the Min- istry, where he was pronounced guilty and summarily garroted in public. Oh, so now if anyone criticizes you, they are out to 'garrot you' in public. So you think your critics, Jim and Judy, are trying to kill you? Poor Barry.
[FairfieldLife] Training in Maharishi Vedic Medicine (Maharishi Ayur-Veda) to Begin in March 200
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[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: snip Watch out, Barry - you're parroting Maharishi here. He says in his introduction to the Gita that right action *follows* enlightenment, rather the commonly held misconception that right action contributes to the development of enlightenment. (SCI Correlate: The Conversations with God books say the same thing. Neale Donald Walsch writes that the Old Testament's Ten Commandments were not intended to be prescriptive, but descriptive. For example, you can tell when people are close to God, because they do not kill, covet or bear false witness.) This is very similar to the old faith vs. works debate in Christianity. Martin Luther came down on the faith side, saying (paraphrased), Good works don't make a person good, but a good person will do good works. (My guess is that the term translated faith in the Christian Scriptures originally meant a state we would think of as enlightenment.) The DEscriptive vs. PREscriptive distinction is another core concept I got from MMY that has had enormous explanatory value for me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
-My motto is whatever works...not what some asshole said 5,000 years ago. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: menkemeyer wrote: Om Namah Shivaya is known as the great redeeming mantra also known as five-syllable mantra. Maybe so, but any word or phrase can be considered a 'mantra'. However, there are no mantras used in TM practice - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' mantras. If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' then you're probably not practicing TM. If you wanted to, you could chant any number of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just as well use English for that purpose and repeat 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no 'magic' words in Sanskrit. The Muktananda apparently used to chant this phrase, but he didn't get any esoteric bijas from his teacher Nityananda - maybe the Mukta just read it in a booklet somewhere.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: So Doug, you're saying there are dome-eligible Fairfield 'rus who would rather meditate at home? What an absolutely shocking, shocking thought, Patrick. If this is what Doug really believes, clearly he is not in control of his thoughts anymore, and is in dire need of deprogramming. I mean, as any sane person here in FF knows, *everybody* is just begging in desperation to get into the domes, and the only reason, I REPEAT, the *only reason* someone doesn't go is because they've been banned. The idea that they could be perfectly happy meditating in their own homes is simply not believable, NOT BELIEVABLE, I say. I wonder if they reject the notion that group practice of the TM-Sidhi program creates good in society. I wonder too. If they do, the ingrates, it's obviously because their bodies have been overtaken by aliens, and we all know what aliens are up to--they are up to no good...NO GOOD, I say. Especially the ones who spend their evenings romping in the cornfields rather than settling down and bouncing on their asses... I mean, creating coherence. It would be interesting if they believe in the efficacy of the TM-Sidhi program, but reject the Maharishi Effect. Yes, employing any kind of critical thinking instead of imbibing the prescribed formula is certainly reason to take an interest in these people--an INTEREST, if you know what I mean. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Prediction: It shall be extremely cold in Europe between 9th and 18th January 2009, like it was e.g. during my siddhis course, around Christmas 1978... :-) Card, *Not* to give you personally a hard time (since I like you so much) but to make a point about the nature of predictions, as I've been trying to do in the ongoing discussions of Jyotish/astrology, doncha think that your prediction above is a little vague and hazy? Well, actually I made that prediction in an attempt to ensure that it won't be very cold (say -15 Celsius) because I'm not a great fan of cold weather. Furthermore, I don't believe the Good Old Times gonna ever return. IMO, they were primarily based on shraddhaa (faith), and nowadays it might be all but gone. ;-) I think around Xmas 1978 there was for instance in Switzerland temperatures as low as -40 Celsius (-40 ºC = -40 ºF ?) but I'm not absolutely sure about that. Of course it's anybody's guess, why exactly it was that cold back then...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
It used to be when we had big assemblies in the US, the temps got warmer. One of the best examples of that was temps hitting the 40s during the main part of the Utopia course, though it was late December to early January. Apparently, it was so hot during the DC course that the unusual temps were used as an excuse for the increase in the homicide rate and massaged into the data. The temps were also hot during the first big gathering, the Amherst course, and hot in RI during the RI campaign. Please spare me the On no, it was terribly cold during the Utopia assembly and the wind blew off the roof type comments. That was before the large group was there. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 1/5/09, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yaoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 8:01 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: Prediction: It shall be extremely cold in Europe between 9th and 18th January 2009, like it was e.g. during my siddhis course, around Christmas 1978... :-) Card, *Not* to give you personally a hard time (since I like you so much) but to make a point about the nature of predictions, as I've been trying to do in the ongoing discussions of Jyotish/astrology, doncha think that your prediction above is a little vague and hazy? While it is certainly possible that the temperatures will be cold during this ten-day period (it being January and all), wouldn't you have to *define* extremely cold to have your prediction be verifiable? For example, according to one website I consulted, the average temperature during January for a few selected countries in Europe are: Finland: -6 degrees Celsius Norway: -5 degrees Celsius Sweden: -3 degrees Celsius Germany: -1 degrees Celsius Switzerland: 0 degrees Celsius Netherlands: +2 degrees Celsius France: +3 degrees Celsius UK: +5 degress Celsius So, to be more precise in your prediction (and thus allow it to be verifiable), what do you predict that the average temperature in each of these countries will be during the ten days of the course? ( I'll rely on you to follow up and keep track of the actual average temperatures in each of the countries during this period, if you want. I'm just making a point about the hazy nature of predictions and how people tend to get away with the haziness unless someone says something. ) Dear Governors, Sidhas, and Meditators, It is a pleasure to send you a reminder about the Global Assembly to be held from 9 to 18 January 2009, and in particular to send you more details about the important seminars that will be held each afternoon of the assembly. The celebrations will be held in MERU, Holland, and will be broadcast worldwide via Internet on the Maharishi Channel, so everyone who cannot attend in person will be able to enjoy the proceedings at their local Maharishi Invincibility Centre or in the comfort of their own home. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
I wonder too. If they do, the ingrates, it's obviously because their bodies have been overtaken by aliens, and we all know what aliens are up to--they are up to no good...NO GOOD, I say. Certainly not the Pleiadians, Sal! The Draconians, maybe?? I'll bet it's them! Their constellation certainly sounds sinister! Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 1:49 PM On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: So Doug, you're saying there are dome-eligible Fairfield 'rus who would rather meditate at home? What an absolutely shocking, shocking thought, Patrick. If this is what Doug really believes, clearly he is not in control of his thoughts anymore, and is in dire need of deprogramming. I mean, as any sane person here in FF knows, *everybody* is just begging in desperation to get into the domes, and the only reason, I REPEAT, the *only reason* someone doesn't go is because they've been banned. The idea that they could be perfectly happy meditating in their own homes is simply not believable, NOT BELIEVABLE, I say. I wonder if they reject the notion that group practice of the TM-Sidhi program creates good in society. I wonder too. If they do, the ingrates, it's obviously because their bodies have been overtaken by aliens, and we all know what aliens are up to--they are up to no good...NO GOOD, I say. Especially the ones who spend their evenings romping in the cornfields rather than settling down and bouncing on their asses... I mean, creating coherence. It would be interesting if they believe in the efficacy of the TM-Sidhi program, but reject the Maharishi Effect. Yes, employing any kind of critical thinking instead of imbibing the prescribed formula is certainly reason to take an interest in these people--an INTEREST, if you know what I mean. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
i recall also when the first dome was assembled in fairfield, the temp had to be warm enough to pour the concrete, and it was middle of winter. nonetheless, the temp warmed to way above normal so that the dome could be assembled-- this was in '79 or '80. not associated with a large assembly, but the linchpin of the mass flying program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote: It used to be when we had big assemblies in the US, the temps got warmer. One of the best examples of that was temps hitting the 40s during the main part of the Utopia course, though it was late December to early January. Apparently, it was so hot during the DC course that the unusual temps were used as an excuse for the increase in the homicide rate and massaged into the data. The temps were also hot during the first big gathering, the Amherst course, and hot in RI during the RI campaign. Please spare me the On no, it was terribly cold during the Utopia assembly and the wind blew off the roof type comments. That was before the large group was there. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 1/5/09, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: TurquoiseB no_re...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 8:01 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Prediction: It shall be extremely cold in Europe between 9th and 18th January 2009, like it was e.g. during my siddhis course, around Christmas 1978... :-) Card, *Not* to give you personally a hard time (since I like you so much) but to make a point about the nature of predictions, as I've been trying to do in the ongoing discussions of Jyotish/astrology, doncha think that your prediction above is a little vague and hazy? While it is certainly possible that the temperatures will be cold during this ten-day period (it being January and all), wouldn't you have to *define* extremely cold to have your prediction be verifiable? For example, according to one website I consulted, the average temperature during January for a few selected countries in Europe are: Finland: -6 degrees Celsius Norway: -5 degrees Celsius Sweden: -3 degrees Celsius Germany: -1 degrees Celsius Switzerland: 0 degrees Celsius Netherlands: +2 degrees Celsius France: +3 degrees Celsius UK: +5 degress Celsius So, to be more precise in your prediction (and thus allow it to be verifiable), what do you predict that the average temperature in each of these countries will be during the ten days of the course? ( I'll rely on you to follow up and keep track of the actual average temperatures in each of the countries during this period, if you want. I'm just making a point about the hazy nature of predictions and how people tend to get away with the haziness unless someone says something. ) Dear Governors, Sidhas, and Meditators, It is a pleasure to send you a reminder about the Global Assembly to be held from 9 to 18 January 2009, and in particular to send you more details about the important seminars that will be held each afternoon of the assembly. The celebrations will be held in MERU, Holland, and will be broadcast worldwide via Internet on the Maharishi Channel, so everyone who cannot attend in person will be able to enjoy the proceedings at their local Maharishi Invincibility Centre or in the comfort of their own home. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
On Jan 5, 2009, at 12:51 PM, gullible fool wrote: It used to be when we had big assemblies in the US, the temps got warmer. One of the best examples of that was temps hitting the 40s during the main part of the Utopia course, though it was late December to early January. Apparently, it was so hot during the DC course that the unusual temps were used as an excuse for the increase in the homicide rate and massaged into the data. The temps were also hot during the first big gathering, the Amherst course, and hot in RI during the RI campaign. Please spare me the On no, it was terribly cold during the Utopia assembly and the wind blew off the roof type comments. That was before the large group was there. Well, as I recall, gull, it was bitterly cold for a few days, then got warmer a bit later in the course. Guess I don't remember what it was like during the very biggest part of the course, but it sure was cold during some of it, and I'm pretty sure most of the CPs were there already. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
...there are no mantras used in TM practice - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' mantras. Bhairitu wrote: What about the advanced techniques? You get only one 'bija' mantra with TM - in the advanced techniques, just words or phrases, no more bijas. For example, 'namah' is just a Sanskrit word added for 'fertilizer' to water the 'root' bija. In the 'Night Technique' advanced technique, there are no bijas, words, or phrases, just a short visulization. That's not a bij mantra. When I talk about TM'ers being Saraswati worshipers, what exactly am I talking about? The bija mantra for Saraswati is actually a Tantric Buddhist bija for Tara. Apparently some babas overheard this at a Buddhist yoga camp meet and got it all mixed up with the Shakti, and it then became all topsy turvey. If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' then you're probably not practicing TM. Yes because it was not taught as a part of TM (though may have been on some of the Primodial Sounds tapes). But it is just as valid if not a powerful or more powerful than using just a bij mantra. The bij mantras or aksharas are used to enliven longer mantras. I think why MMY used them as first techniques (recommending the advanced technique to replace it after about a year and a half) because they don't take much to be lively and any idiot can initiate someone with them and get some results. Clever but again lacks the safety and balance that other programs have. This all makes perfect sense - apparently you have learned a lot from your Pilot Guru! But I'm not sure which 'programs' that have the 'safety and balance' you're talking about. If any 'idiot' can use the TM bijas and get good results, why would they want to drive all the way to Oakland in order to get some more, longer, nonsense syllables? Simple seems much better to me - one short bija can get you all the way to Nirvana and TM training that you can get in most large cities. Go figure. If you wanted to, you could chant any number of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just as well use English for that purpose and repeat 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no 'magic' words in Sanskrit. The vibratory influence. That's really the question - exactly how is a nonsense syllable 'enlivened' and made 'lively'? In a previous post I mentioned that the Swami Muktananda most likely got his Shiva mantra by reading a booklet. Apparently his teacher, Nityananda, gave out no bijas or tantric techniques, so how do you make a bija lively by reading it in a book? If transcending is a mechanical process, all a person would have to do is *be aware of being aware* - no mantras, no bijas, and no guru - that's Adwaita. English is frequently lacking in that. When I was learning Sanskrit some of the slokas would spontaneously invoke visions of ancient times which were sometimes a little disconcerting though cool. So, it may be that some people don't need any 'fert' at all - they were born enlightened. All they need is an intellectual understanding of the concept of non-duality and bingo, they have an awakening; they are free and immortal on the spot. No striving is then involved at all - just realization.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: given that the Maharishi was not a personal guru, he was nonetheless a master imo at providing the conditions to break significant boundaries in the minds of his followers. That is what He did, 24 hours a day, year after year for decades. It was His job, His mission. Even 30 years after they had a personal glimpse of this Yogi of Yogi's they still are exposing their continued breaking of boundaries here on FFL. As if the challenges Maharishi presented to them, and the feeling of failure for not being able to handle such challenges will never leave them. I have reason to believe that He also did this job to the satisfaction of all the Masters of Wisdom, including Brahmanada Saraswathi and our Eldest Brother of Brothers, Maitreya.
[FairfieldLife] Re: spirituality spot found in brain
The DEscriptive vs. PREscriptive distinction is another core concept I got from MMY that has had enormous explanatory value for me. I wonder how valid all that is really. One of his examples for this was obviously bogus, the Laws of Manu. There is no way that reading them allows for this interpretation. They are clearly prescriptive, unless an enlightened man would just automatically kill a person for insulting his teacher. I think applying Maharishi concepts to Christianity does a disservice to the concepts in Christianity. The words of Jesus we have clearly point to ethical behavior standards, he spends quite a bit of time on them. This would all be unnecessary if he was teaching some yoga technique that would take care of it all. And equating faith with a state of enlightenment is just forcing a square peg in a round hole IMO. It is belief in the savior that is valued by St. Paul and the early Christians, what do you think the doubting Thomas story was all about: reverence for blind faith. (which I appose) As far as Maharishi's claim about the power of his own technique to influence ethics...come one! I don't see that from the group of meditators, does anyone else? Guys like Jeru and Ed Beckley were teachers for God sake, with lots of rounding under their belt. And let's not forget the man himself with his financial shenanigans in many different countries. If you spent any time around him you were eventually asked to break laws, all the course participants even laundered money to cross the boarder with the movement's cash on our TTC. We could have been arrested in a foreign country, that would have been enlightening. Like flying, TM leading to better ethics is a hollow claim with plenty of counter evidence. I'm not saying that some really impulsive people don't benefit in being able to think before they act a bit more from the influence of meditation. But the movement is not filled with more ethical people than I see in an ordinary mix of well educated society and it has it full share of criminals who meditate regularly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: snip Watch out, Barry - you're parroting Maharishi here. He says in his introduction to the Gita that right action *follows* enlightenment, rather the commonly held misconception that right action contributes to the development of enlightenment. (SCI Correlate: The Conversations with God books say the same thing. Neale Donald Walsch writes that the Old Testament's Ten Commandments were not intended to be prescriptive, but descriptive. For example, you can tell when people are close to God, because they do not kill, covet or bear false witness.) This is very similar to the old faith vs. works debate in Christianity. Martin Luther came down on the faith side, saying (paraphrased), Good works don't make a person good, but a good person will do good works. (My guess is that the term translated faith in the Christian Scriptures originally meant a state we would think of as enlightenment.) The DEscriptive vs. PREscriptive distinction is another core concept I got from MMY that has had enormous explanatory value for me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: i recall also when the first dome was assembled in fairfield, the temp had to be warm enough to pour the concrete, and it was middle of winter. nonetheless, the temp warmed to way above normal so that the dome could be assembled-- this was in '79 or '80. not associated with a large assembly, but the linchpin of the mass flying program. Excellent point. Whether the temperature goes up or down, it is equal evidence of TM meditator's miraculousness! Same with the stock market. Same with your health. Same with (fill in the blank) Oh yeah, and it always rained when Lillian came to teach advanced techniques like she was the wicked witch of the West! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: It used to be when we had big assemblies in the US, the temps got warmer. One of the best examples of that was temps hitting the 40s during the main part of the Utopia course, though it was late December to early January. Apparently, it was so hot during the DC course that the unusual temps were used as an excuse for the increase in the homicide rate and massaged into the data. The temps were also hot during the first big gathering, the Amherst course, and hot in RI during the RI campaign. Please spare me the On no, it was terribly cold during the Utopia assembly and the wind blew off the roof type comments. That was before the large group was there. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 1/5/09, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: TurquoiseB no_reply@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 8:01 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Prediction: It shall be extremely cold in Europe between 9th and 18th January 2009, like it was e.g. during my siddhis course, around Christmas 1978... :-) Card, *Not* to give you personally a hard time (since I like you so much) but to make a point about the nature of predictions, as I've been trying to do in the ongoing discussions of Jyotish/astrology, doncha think that your prediction above is a little vague and hazy? While it is certainly possible that the temperatures will be cold during this ten-day period (it being January and all), wouldn't you have to *define* extremely cold to have your prediction be verifiable? For example, according to one website I consulted, the average temperature during January for a few selected countries in Europe are: Finland: -6 degrees Celsius Norway: -5 degrees Celsius Sweden: -3 degrees Celsius Germany: -1 degrees Celsius Switzerland: 0 degrees Celsius Netherlands: +2 degrees Celsius France: +3 degrees Celsius UK: +5 degress Celsius So, to be more precise in your prediction (and thus allow it to be verifiable), what do you predict that the average temperature in each of these countries will be during the ten days of the course? ( I'll rely on you to follow up and keep track of the actual average temperatures in each of the countries during this period, if you want. I'm just making a point about the hazy nature of predictions and how people tend to get away with the haziness unless someone says something. ) Dear Governors, Sidhas, and Meditators, It is a pleasure to send you a reminder about the Global Assembly to be held from 9 to 18 January 2009, and in particular to send you more details about the important seminars that will be held each afternoon of the assembly. The celebrations will be held in MERU, Holland, and will be broadcast worldwide via Internet on the Maharishi Channel, so everyone who cannot attend in person will be able to enjoy the proceedings at their local Maharishi Invincibility Centre or in the comfort of their own home. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 1:41 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions I remember, one time, when Maharishi was visiting Fairfield, and they were starting to build the first dome. Bramacharya Shankar, was sitting, 'In the Dome', chanting the Vedas... At the time, it was far too cold to be outside, for any length of time, as it felt like it was about minus ten degrees outside. The dome hadn't been completed yet, and Ravi was shaking with cold, by the time Maharishi finally came to bless the dome. I didn't know who Ravi was, at the time, but the image of him, outside, all that time, wearing nothing but a dhoti and a blanket, impresses me, to this day. I helped set up the stage that day. There was an electric heater a few feet away from him, blowing on him. Yes, but I still remember that Maharishi was a bit late, and this guy was freezing by the time he appeared. I was waiting in an adjacent Frat, next to where he was staying, because it was too damn cold for me...that day... But, thanks for the heater, Rick...that probably saved his life. R.G. I didn't provide the heater, it was just there. But I remember that someone offered him a blanket, and he waved it off, as if to say to the crowd watching, I am impervious to the cold. But I knew the heater was there, keeping him warm. So that seemed rather disingenuous to me at the time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
I have reason to believe I wonder what those reasons are... that He also did this job to the satisfaction of all the Masters of Wisdom, including Brahmanada Saraswathi and our Eldest Brother of Brothers, Maitreya. I didn't know Maitreya was a black man! So the savior of mankind is a brother huh? Hey wait a second...we just elected a brother to the White House...you don't think... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: given that the Maharishi was not a personal guru, he was nonetheless a master imo at providing the conditions to break significant boundaries in the minds of his followers. That is what He did, 24 hours a day, year after year for decades. It was His job, His mission. Even 30 years after they had a personal glimpse of this Yogi of Yogi's they still are exposing their continued breaking of boundaries here on FFL. As if the challenges Maharishi presented to them, and the feeling of failure for not being able to handle such challenges will never leave them. I have reason to believe that He also did this job to the satisfaction of all the Masters of Wisdom, including Brahmanada Saraswathi and our Eldest Brother of Brothers, Maitreya.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Did George 'Do It' on purpose?...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams willy...@... wrote: main wrote: It's January, yet dispatches from Texas indicate that heat stroke occurs widely in the population for twelve months of the year there. Sounds to me like you've got a very strong prejudice against anyone who lives in Texas, and it shows. The temperature in Lubbock is now 24 degrees. Today's weather for Lubbock, Texas: http://tinyurl.com/8quuhy Have you ever thought about consulting a map or viewing a weather report BEFORE you open your pie-hole? I spoke to my daughter, last week in Austin, and she said, it was really hot there, and sweaty. I think this must be the coldest day of the year, there, as an extreme arctic front, moved all the way down to Texas, today. I think it only gets this cold down there, very rarely. Thing is, the two Presidents who hailed from Texas: LBJ and Dubya... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
I just wonder what beliefs people hold. There's a strong possibility that these people carry some cognitive dissonance, and I wonder how they reconcile it. What are the options? 1. My experience tells me my program is good, but my experiences don't corroborate that group- dynamics-of-consciousness thing. 2. I believe in the Maharishi Effect, but the hired meditators will cover for me. 3. I went out of my way to support the TM organization for many, many years because I believe in its goals, but I have nothing left to give. There are other possibilities, of course. Doug suggests that people are boycotting the domes because they have ethical objections to the organization, but that explanation doesn't sound persuasive to me. Hence my conjecture about what the real motives may be. P.S. A few years ago I was explaining the Maharishi Effect to a socially conscious friend who, when he grasped what I was saying, could not understand why people were not flocking to the domes to transform the nation and the world. He accepted my explanations about the difficulties of making money in a tiny town and making time for group program. Still, the sincerity of his response said, If you have the key to do so much good, how can you not use it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: So Doug, you're saying there are dome-eligible Fairfield 'rus who would rather meditate at home? What an absolutely shocking, shocking thought, Patrick. If this is what Doug really believes, clearly he is not in control of his thoughts anymore, and is in dire need of deprogramming. I mean, as any sane person here in FF knows, *everybody* is just begging in desperation to get into the domes, and the only reason, I REPEAT, the *only reason* someone doesn't go is because they've been banned. The idea that they could be perfectly happy meditating in their own homes is simply not believable, NOT BELIEVABLE, I say. I wonder if they reject the notion that group practice of the TM-Sidhi program creates good in society. I wonder too. If they do, the ingrates, it's obviously because their bodies have been overtaken by aliens, and we all know what aliens are up to--they are up to no good...NO GOOD, I say. Especially the ones who spend their evenings romping in the cornfields rather than settling down and bouncing on their asses... I mean, creating coherence. It would be interesting if they believe in the efficacy of the TM-Sidhi program, but reject the Maharishi Effect. Yes, employing any kind of critical thinking instead of imbibing the prescribed formula is certainly reason to take an interest in these people--an INTEREST, if you know what I mean. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:06 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: The Vedic Atom was a boiling cauldron of 10 rigidly inflexible egos with strong personalities all bumping into each other Raunch, remember that there are guys who belong to FFL. Guys who paid the ultimate price for society and the survival of the Human Race: we married women. We know from experience that what our fathers taught us is forever true: that arguing with a woman is like trying to read a newspaper in the wind. We know why so many men die earlier than their wives: because they can. We know what it's like to marry a women though we're not quite what they were looking for in a mate, but close enough, we can be trained. We know what it's like to be constantly told that we're just boys with toys and that we never grow up. We know how difficult it is for our womenfolk to bring us around, as the one who wears the pants and ultimately makes the final choice, to making the decision the wife had already made. A good morning laugh to go with my morning tea!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
(snip) Oh yeah, and it always rained when Lillian came to teach advanced techniques like she was the wicked witch of the West! (snip) Some people are called, rain makers...they can call in the rain, when necessary. They use the mantra associated with weather: Indra So, if you are in a draught, somewhere, ever, and you need to make some rain, just think: Om Shri Indra Namah Om...and all will be well... Repeat this mantra, effortlessly, until you feel the shift of dry dessert stale air, to a feel of moist wind, blowing in, some feeling of electicity, and a sense the 'air has changed'... Realization of invoking and calling Indra, is actual rain. R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
i recall also when the first dome was assembled in fairfield, the temp had to be warm enough to pour the concrete, and it was middle of winter. nonetheless, the temp warmed to way above normal so that the dome could be assembled-- this was in '79 or '80. not associated with a large assembly, but the linchpin of the mass flying program. Someone (I believe it was Bevan) explained exactly what the deal was with this in a talk once. He said MMY was told how the temps had to be mild enough for the concrete to pour, MMY said don't worry I take care of it, MMy spoke to the devas, the devas would magically hold up the temps on the concrete pouring days, the concrete would pour, the rabble would applaud, the big money wallets would open further... Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 1/5/09, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 1:57 PM i recall also when the first dome was assembled in fairfield, the temp had to be warm enough to pour the concrete, and it was middle of winter. nonetheless, the temp warmed to way above normal so that the dome could be assembled-- this was in '79 or '80. not associated with a large assembly, but the linchpin of the mass flying program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote: It used to be when we had big assemblies in the US, the temps got warmer. One of the best examples of that was temps hitting the 40s during the main part of the Utopia course, though it was late December to early January. Apparently, it was so hot during the DC course that the unusual temps were used as an excuse for the increase in the homicide rate and massaged into the data. The temps were also hot during the first big gathering, the Amherst course, and hot in RI during the RI campaign. Please spare me the On no, it was terribly cold during the Utopia assembly and the wind blew off the roof type comments. That was before the large group was there. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 1/5/09, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: TurquoiseB no_re...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 8:01 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Prediction: It shall be extremely cold in Europe between 9th and 18th January 2009, like it was e.g. during my siddhis course, around Christmas 1978... :-) Card, *Not* to give you personally a hard time (since I like you so much) but to make a point about the nature of predictions, as I've been trying to do in the ongoing discussions of Jyotish/astrology, doncha think that your prediction above is a little vague and hazy? While it is certainly possible that the temperatures will be cold during this ten-day period (it being January and all), wouldn't you have to *define* extremely cold to have your prediction be verifiable? For example, according to one website I consulted, the average temperature during January for a few selected countries in Europe are: Finland: -6 degrees Celsius Norway: -5 degrees Celsius Sweden: -3 degrees Celsius Germany: -1 degrees Celsius Switzerland: 0 degrees Celsius Netherlands: +2 degrees Celsius France: +3 degrees Celsius UK: +5 degress Celsius So, to be more precise in your prediction (and thus allow it to be verifiable), what do you predict that the average temperature in each of these countries will be during the ten days of the course? ( I'll rely on you to follow up and keep track of the actual average temperatures in each of the countries during this period, if you want. I'm just making a point about the hazy nature of predictions and how people tend to get away with the haziness unless someone says something. ) Dear Governors, Sidhas, and Meditators, It is a pleasure to send you a reminder about the Global Assembly to be held from 9 to 18 January 2009, and in particular to send you more details about the important seminars that will be held each afternoon of the assembly. The celebrations will be held in MERU, Holland, and will be broadcast worldwide via Internet on the Maharishi Channel, so everyone who cannot attend in person will be able to enjoy the proceedings at their local Maharishi Invincibility Centre or in the comfort of their own home. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links To
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: (snip) Oh yeah, and it always rained when Lillian came to teach advanced techniques like she was the wicked witch of the West! (snip) Some people are called, rain makers...they can call in the rain, when necessary. They use the mantra associated with weather: Indra So, if you are in a draught, somewhere, ever, and you need to make some rain, just think: Om Shri Indra Namah Om...and all will be well... Repeat this mantra, effortlessly, until you feel the shift of dry dessert stale air, to a feel of moist wind, blowing in, some feeling of electicity, and a sense the 'air has changed'... Realization of invoking and calling Indra, is actual rain. R.G. I gave that mantra a shot but it just made me want to urinate. s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
Robert: I didn't know who Ravi was, at the time, but the image of him, outside, all that time, wearing nothing but a dhoti and a blanket, impresses me, to this day. Rick: I helped set up the stage that day. There was an electric heater a few feet away from him, blowing on him. Now I have coffee in my nose! Thanks Rick! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions I remember, one time, when Maharishi was visiting Fairfield, and they were starting to build the first dome. Bramacharya Shankar, was sitting, 'In the Dome', chanting the Vedas... At the time, it was far too cold to be outside, for any length of time, as it felt like it was about minus ten degrees outside. The dome hadn't been completed yet, and Ravi was shaking with cold, by the time Maharishi finally came to bless the dome. I didn't know who Ravi was, at the time, but the image of him, outside, all that time, wearing nothing but a dhoti and a blanket, impresses me, to this day. I helped set up the stage that day. There was an electric heater a few feet away from him, blowing on him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I just wonder what beliefs people hold. There's a strong possibility that these people carry some cognitive dissonance, and I wonder how they reconcile it. What are the options? 1. My experience tells me my program is good, but my experiences don't corroborate that group- dynamics-of-consciousness thing. 2. I believe in the Maharishi Effect, but the hired meditators will cover for me. 3. I went out of my way to support the TM organization for many, many years because I believe in its goals, but I have nothing left to give. There are other possibilities, of course. Doug suggests that people are boycotting the domes because they have ethical objections to the organization, but that explanation doesn't sound persuasive to me. Hence my conjecture about what the real motives may be. Doesn't sound persuasive to me either--I mean, the idea that someone could still get into the Domes but would actually make another choice is just incomprehensible. These people should be hounded, HOUNDED, I say, until they divulge their real reasons. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
To sum up Willy's wisdom today: There are no mantras used in TM. There are certain mantras used in TM. There are no multi-word mantras used in TM. There are certain multi-word mantras used in advanced TM. Now I'm so confused, I'm going to make up some BS about Buddhism. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams willy...@... wrote: ...there are no mantras used in TM practice - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' mantras. Bhairitu wrote: What about the advanced techniques? You get only one 'bija' mantra with TM - in the advanced techniques, just words or phrases, no more bijas. For example, 'namah' is just a Sanskrit word added for 'fertilizer' to water the 'root' bija. In the 'Night Technique' advanced technique, there are no bijas, words, or phrases, just a short visulization. That's not a bij mantra. When I talk about TM'ers being Saraswati worshipers, what exactly am I talking about? The bija mantra for Saraswati is actually a Tantric Buddhist bija for Tara. Apparently some babas overheard this at a Buddhist yoga camp meet and got it all mixed up with the Shakti, and it then became all topsy turvey. If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' then you're probably not practicing TM. Yes because it was not taught as a part of TM (though may have been on some of the Primodial Sounds tapes). But it is just as valid if not a powerful or more powerful than using just a bij mantra. The bij mantras or aksharas are used to enliven longer mantras. I think why MMY used them as first techniques (recommending the advanced technique to replace it after about a year and a half) because they don't take much to be lively and any idiot can initiate someone with them and get some results. Clever but again lacks the safety and balance that other programs have. This all makes perfect sense - apparently you have learned a lot from your Pilot Guru! But I'm not sure which 'programs' that have the 'safety and balance' you're talking about. If any 'idiot' can use the TM bijas and get good results, why would they want to drive all the way to Oakland in order to get some more, longer, nonsense syllables? Simple seems much better to me - one short bija can get you all the way to Nirvana and TM training that you can get in most large cities. Go figure. If you wanted to, you could chant any number of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just as well use English for that purpose and repeat 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no 'magic' words in Sanskrit. The vibratory influence. That's really the question - exactly how is a nonsense syllable 'enlivened' and made 'lively'? In a previous post I mentioned that the Swami Muktananda most likely got his Shiva mantra by reading a booklet. Apparently his teacher, Nityananda, gave out no bijas or tantric techniques, so how do you make a bija lively by reading it in a book? If transcending is a mechanical process, all a person would have to do is *be aware of being aware* - no mantras, no bijas, and no guru - that's Adwaita. English is frequently lacking in that. When I was learning Sanskrit some of the slokas would spontaneously invoke visions of ancient times which were sometimes a little disconcerting though cool. So, it may be that some people don't need any 'fert' at all - they were born enlightened. All they need is an intellectual understanding of the concept of non-duality and bingo, they have an awakening; they are free and immortal on the spot. No striving is then involved at all - just realization.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
yifuxero wrote: ...one should follow Shiva's own words, and the words of Shankara. Apparently all of the words uttered by the Lord Shiva to his wife are not available to the general public - they are esoteric and can only be accessed through an initiation by a guru. From what I've read, the original Shiva Sutra is no longer extant, having been lost due to the long lapse of time. Did Shankara have anything to say about using tantric mantras such as 'Om Namah Shivaya'? The Tantric tradition came after the birth of the Adi Shankaracharya. It has not been established that the Adi advocated any form of tantric yoga. It should be noted that Marshy uses only some traditional tantric householder 'bija' mantras, with the exception of 'svaha' which as every Siddha knows, denotes the hit sound 'crack' as in 'phata phata' of a three-wheeled motorcycle rickshaw, a common sound in Indian cities. Read more: Author: Willytex Subject: Re: Mantra Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Thurs, Mar 4 2004 1:03 am http://tinyurl.com/7b3qcl
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: [...] P.S. A few years ago I was explaining the Maharishi Effect to a socially conscious friend who, when he grasped what I was saying, could not understand why people were not flocking to the domes to transform the nation and the world. He accepted my explanations about the difficulties of making money in a tiny town and making time for group program. Still, the sincerity of his response said, If you have the key to do so much good, how can you not use it? Goes back to questions raised in this group about compassionate TMers, doesnt' it? The irony is that for those that believe in the ME, dome participation is the *ultimate* compassionate behavior, which people who like to criticize TMers for lack of (especially those who choose to go to the Domes instead of participate in chartible acts or soemthign). Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
Some people are called, rain makers...they can call in the rain, when necessary. They use the mantra associated with weather: Indra So, if you are in a draught, somewhere, ever, and you need to make some rain, just think: Om Shri Indra Namah Om...and all will be well... Repeat this mantra, effortlessly, until you feel the shift of dry dessert stale air, to a feel of moist wind, blowing in, some feeling of electicity, and a sense the 'air has changed'... Realization of invoking and calling Indra, is actual rain. R.G. Lemme guess. When it doesn't work (about 50% of the time) it is because of the Karma of the people in the area... I'm putting my faith in swinging a dead cat over my head in a graveyard at midnight...hold on...wait...is that for rain or for destroying a romantic rival? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: (snip) Oh yeah, and it always rained when Lillian came to teach advanced techniques like she was the wicked witch of the West! (snip) Some people are called, rain makers...they can call in the rain, when necessary. They use the mantra associated with weather: Indra So, if you are in a draught, somewhere, ever, and you need to make some rain, just think: Om Shri Indra Namah Om...and all will be well... Repeat this mantra, effortlessly, until you feel the shift of dry dessert stale air, to a feel of moist wind, blowing in, some feeling of electicity, and a sense the 'air has changed'... Realization of invoking and calling Indra, is actual rain. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I just wonder what beliefs people hold. There's a strong possibility that these people carry some cognitive dissonance, and I wonder how they reconcile it. What are the options? 1. My experience tells me my program is good, but my experiences don't corroborate that group- dynamics-of-consciousness thing. 2. I believe in the Maharishi Effect, but the hired meditators will cover for me. 3. I went out of my way to support the TM organization for many, many years because I believe in its goals, but I have nothing left to give. There are other possibilities, of course. Doug suggests that people are boycotting the domes because they have ethical objections to the organization, but that explanation doesn't sound persuasive to me. Hence my conjecture about what the real motives may be. Doesn't sound persuasive to me either--I mean, the idea that someone could still get into the Domes but would actually make another choice is just incomprehensible. These people should be hounded, HOUNDED, I say, until they divulge their real reasons. Sal, I vote that you be appointed the official Grand Inquisitor of Non-Dome Attendance. For a uniform, I suggest sensible shoes and one of those frumpy Sidha dresses from the 1980s.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
Sal, I vote that you be appointed the official Grand Inquisitor of Non-Dome Attendance. For a uniform, I suggest sensible shoes and one of those frumpy Sidha dresses from the 1980s. Total waste of Sal's hotness IMO. Unless you pick one of the translucent ones and put the bright inquisitor light behind her... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I just wonder what beliefs people hold. There's a strong possibility that these people carry some cognitive dissonance, and I wonder how they reconcile it. What are the options? 1. My experience tells me my program is good, but my experiences don't corroborate that group- dynamics-of-consciousness thing. 2. I believe in the Maharishi Effect, but the hired meditators will cover for me. 3. I went out of my way to support the TM organization for many, many years because I believe in its goals, but I have nothing left to give. There are other possibilities, of course. Doug suggests that people are boycotting the domes because they have ethical objections to the organization, but that explanation doesn't sound persuasive to me. Hence my conjecture about what the real motives may be. Doesn't sound persuasive to me either--I mean, the idea that someone could still get into the Domes but would actually make another choice is just incomprehensible. These people should be hounded, HOUNDED, I say, until they divulge their real reasons. Sal, I vote that you be appointed the official Grand Inquisitor of Non-Dome Attendance. For a uniform, I suggest sensible shoes and one of those frumpy Sidha dresses from the 1980s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: What I find interesting is the way that both Nabby and ED11 use Buddhist as an insult. -snip- neither one of us has used Buddhist as an insult. Nabby has rightly called both you and vaj hobby buddhists, which is not only spot on but hilarious too, and which you confirm. i have said that buddhism is an ineffectual religion, both because it does not provide a reliable means of transcending and has done absolutely nothing to further world peace, which is not an insult, just the way i see it. this is precisely why i referred to you earlier as the disease of FFL-- you stir stuff up constantly, based on lies and half-truths, all to further your arrogance and ego. your choice dude, but don't expect to get away with it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:39 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Sal, I vote that you be appointed the official Grand Inquisitor of Non-Dome Attendance. For a uniform, I suggest sensible shoes and one of those frumpy Sidha dresses from the 1980s. Total waste of Sal's hotness IMO. Unless you pick one of the translucent ones I must've missed those, Curtis! Oh, heck, let's just go the cellophane route. and put the bright inquisitor light behind her... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eileen's esoteric review of Slumdog Millionaire WOW!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From a friend: This is a review you will not find on main street. This is for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see. Slumdog Millionaire is really about the highest level of consciousness... the truest principle of any authentic belief...from the most authentic and generous truth of the Muslims to us... brilliant, truly brilliant. Eileen While I liked the movie, too, I'm a little confused as to what exactly Eileen sees as the highest level of consciousness and the truest principle of any authentic belief. Was that the part where Jamal wins the 20 million rupees, or the part where the Hindus storm into the Mumbai slums with clubs and kill all the Muslims? My point is that there were a *lot* of things presented in this film, some of them violent and not representative of anything but ignor- ance and both religious and social intolerance. And then there were the parts about faith, and about how someone can become rich just by being faithful. While it is a lovely fable, and while I can see how it would appeal to the TMO's Do nothing and accomplish everything just because you're so special work ethic, I think it's good to remember that it IS a fable. In the real world, success tends to come to those who work for it, not because it is written.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eileen's esoteric review of Slumdog Millionaire WOW!
However, only for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see is the author's provocative introductory multiple-choice question rightly understood. Go see this Slumdog Millionaire and see if you are awake to the the question! Regards, Eileen Dannemann Standing director, National Coalition of Organized Women (NCOW) www.ProgressiveConvergence.com 917 804-0786 I'm sure she employs this same eliticism in her organization as well. Only those of higher awareness can see the same higher truth that she sees, whether it be political, economic. or social. All others who may see things differently must obviously be of a lower awareness
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: [...] P.S. A few years ago I was explaining the Maharishi Effect to a socially conscious friend who, when he grasped what I was saying, could not understand why people were not flocking to the domes to transform the nation and the world. He accepted my explanations about the difficulties of making money in a tiny town and making time for group program. Still, the sincerity of his response said, If you have the key to do so much good, how can you not use it? Goes back to questions raised in this group about compassionate TMers, doesnt' it? The irony is that for those that believe in the ME, dome participation is the *ultimate* compassionate behavior, which people who like to criticize TMers for lack of (especially those who choose to go to the Domes instead of participate in chartible acts or soemthign). If that were true, look at those who have a history of slamming critics of TM here, the posters we tend to call the True Believers. You know who I'm talking about, right? They're sure putting *their* compassion on the line by being in the domes every day, right? :-) Face it...as far as I can tell (but I haven't been paying attention to dome attendance), the only person who regularly posts to this forum who seems to put his money where his mouth is when it comes to actually going to the domes is L.Shaddai. The rest *posture* as strong, loyal TMers while sitting on their asses at home. So the bottom line is that they demonstrate no compassion by going to the domes, they demonstrate no com- passion by doing charitable works, and as human beings they are such miserable failures that most people on this forum don't even interact with them any more. That's sure some commercial for practicing TM and believing in the ME as a form of compassion, eh?
[FairfieldLife] Ethical behavior (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote: Like flying, TM leading to better ethics is a hollow claim with plenty of counter evidence. I'm not saying that some really impulsive people don't benefit in being able to think before they act a bit more from the influence of meditation. But the movement is not filled with more ethical people than I see in an ordinary mix of well educated society and it has it full share of criminals who meditate regularly. As an old-time TM teacher once pointed out to me, it's really the science that tells you whether someone's claims are valid. Any organization can trot out reasonably attractive representatives who relate inspiring anecdotes about their program's benefits. Or in your examples above, Curtis, it's easy to find scoundrels in the saintliest organization. But a strictly designed, well-controlled study shows you whether the program works regardless of the Shining Example here and the Sorry Disappointment there. Are you acquainted with the Nidiches research on ethics and TM? Do you have an opinion about it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I just wonder what beliefs people hold. There's a strong possibility that these people carry some cognitive dissonance, and I wonder how they reconcile it. What are the options? 1. My experience tells me my program is good, but my experiences don't corroborate that group- dynamics-of-consciousness thing. 2. I believe in the Maharishi Effect, but the hired meditators will cover for me. 3. I went out of my way to support the TM organization for many, many years because I believe in its goals, but I have nothing left to give. There are other possibilities, of course. Doug suggests that people are boycotting the domes because they have ethical objections to the organization, but that explanation doesn't sound persuasive to me. Hence my conjecture about what the real motives may be. Doesn't sound persuasive to me either--I mean, the idea that someone could still get into the Domes but would actually make another choice is just incomprehensible. These people should be hounded, HOUNDED, I say, until they divulge their real reasons. Sal, I vote that you be appointed the official Grand Inquisitor of Non-Dome Attendance. For a uniform, I suggest sensible shoes and one of those frumpy Sidha dresses from the 1980s. No whip? No gun? No cattle prods? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:57 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: The rest *posture* as strong, loyal TMers while sitting on their asses at home. So the bottom line is that they demonstrate no compassion by going to the domes, they demonstrate no com- passion by doing charitable works, and as human beings they are such miserable failures that most people on this forum don't even interact with them any more. That's sure some commercial for practicing TM and believing in the ME as a form of compassion, eh? C'mon, Barry, don't be shy--tell us what you*really* feel. :) I think raunchy might go--at least, she's here in FF. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote: i recall also when the first dome was assembled in fairfield, the temp had to be warm enough to pour the concrete, and it was middle of winter. nonetheless, the temp warmed to way above normal so that the dome could be assembled-- this was in '79 or '80. not associated with a large assembly, but the linchpin of the mass flying program. Someone (I believe it was Bevan) explained exactly what the deal was with this in a talk once. He said MMY was told how the temps had to be mild enough for the concrete to pour, MMY said don't worry I take care of it, MMy spoke to the devas, the devas would magically hold up the temps on the concrete pouring days, the concrete would pour, the rabble would applaud, the big money wallets would open further... Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma no idea about all of that-- i just remember it getting unseasonably warm as if on cue, and the dome was built.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
No whip? No gun? No cattle prods? Sal OK, skip the Sidha dresses, you're going straight to black leather or midnight latex. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I just wonder what beliefs people hold. There's a strong possibility that these people carry some cognitive dissonance, and I wonder how they reconcile it. What are the options? 1. My experience tells me my program is good, but my experiences don't corroborate that group- dynamics-of-consciousness thing. 2. I believe in the Maharishi Effect, but the hired meditators will cover for me. 3. I went out of my way to support the TM organization for many, many years because I believe in its goals, but I have nothing left to give. There are other possibilities, of course. Doug suggests that people are boycotting the domes because they have ethical objections to the organization, but that explanation doesn't sound persuasive to me. Hence my conjecture about what the real motives may be. Doesn't sound persuasive to me either--I mean, the idea that someone could still get into the Domes but would actually make another choice is just incomprehensible. These people should be hounded, HOUNDED, I say, until they divulge their real reasons. Sal, I vote that you be appointed the official Grand Inquisitor of Non-Dome Attendance. For a uniform, I suggest sensible shoes and one of those frumpy Sidha dresses from the 1980s. No whip? No gun? No cattle prods? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Distractions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: given that the Maharishi was not a personal guru, he was nonetheless a master imo at providing the conditions to break significant boundaries in the minds of his followers. That is what He did, 24 hours a day, year after year for decades. It was His job, His mission. Even 30 years after they had a personal glimpse of this Yogi of Yogi's they still are exposing their continued breaking of boundaries here on FFL. As if the challenges Maharishi presented to them, and the feeling of failure for not being able to handle such challenges will never leave them. it gets rather tiresome, this endless blaming of someone, anyone, for their failures. so childish.
[FairfieldLife] Ethical behavior (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
Excellent points Patrick. Are you acquainted with the Nidiches research on ethics and TM? Do you have an opinion about it? I don't really feel qualified to understand what the research does and does not prove. But I'll do a search, and thanks for advancing the discussion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote: Like flying, TM leading to better ethics is a hollow claim with plenty of counter evidence. I'm not saying that some really impulsive people don't benefit in being able to think before they act a bit more from the influence of meditation. But the movement is not filled with more ethical people than I see in an ordinary mix of well educated society and it has it full share of criminals who meditate regularly. As an old-time TM teacher once pointed out to me, it's really the science that tells you whether someone's claims are valid. Any organization can trot out reasonably attractive representatives who relate inspiring anecdotes about their program's benefits. Or in your examples above, Curtis, it's easy to find scoundrels in the saintliest organization. But a strictly designed, well-controlled study shows you whether the program works regardless of the Shining Example here and the Sorry Disappointment there. Are you acquainted with the Nidiches research on ethics and TM? Do you have an opinion about it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Jan 5, 2009, at 3:13 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: No whip? No gun? No cattle prods? Sal OK, skip the Sidha dresses, you're going straight to black leather or midnight latex. Which is, of course, what all those conservative women were wearing underneath the Sidha dresses. Bet you didn't know that, Curtis. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
I have an Indian friend who is an MD and learned ayurveda as he was growing up from his grandfather who practiced in Indian villages. His method of ayurveda, being simplified for villagers, is very easy to grasp. Unfortunately, due to having a family, he could not afford to take the time to do the internship required to become an American MD. If he had done that he could have set up some courses and I can tell they would have been far more reasonably priced than anything the TMO offers. As far as the efficacy of ayurveda, it's basis rings very true. It is often misunderstood and we have a lot of practitioners with less than 10 years experience under their belts that aren't very good. Some practitioners have related ayurveda to other metabolic typing systems. One concept is that imbalances are caused when the autonomic nervous system gets out of whack and sort either the sympathetic or para-sympathetic system starts to dominate. For instance when the parasympathetic system becomes dominant, which rules digestion and sleep functions, you may experience a kapha imbalance and are sleepy, low in energy and put on weight easily. The vata imbalance is when the sympathetic system may dominate and the parasympathetic has a hard time kicking in. Pitta is considered balanced but with other problems like too much digestive fire or heat causing inflammation related diseases. The range of the imbalances can be from light to heavy. For instance one might have a slight kapha imbalance but overdoing either kapha reducing herbs or spicy foods might overshoot the goal. Unfortunately that takes more monitoring by the practitioner or the individual being trained to monitor it themselves. A lot of these alternative systems could prevent a lot of disease and reduce health care costs. The problem? They don't sell pharmaceutical drugs and the pharmaceutical companies seem to own American medicine with the doctors as their pushers. yifuxero wrote: -My motto is whatever works...not what some asshole said 5,000 years ago. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: menkemeyer wrote: Om Namah Shivaya is known as the great redeeming mantra also known as five-syllable mantra. Maybe so, but any word or phrase can be considered a 'mantra'. However, there are no mantras used in TM practice - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' mantras. If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' then you're probably not practicing TM. If you wanted to, you could chant any number of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just as well use English for that purpose and repeat 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no 'magic' words in Sanskrit. The Muktananda apparently used to chant this phrase, but he didn't get any esoteric bijas from his teacher Nityananda - maybe the Mukta just read it in a booklet somewhere.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: [...] P.S. A few years ago I was explaining the Maharishi Effect to a socially conscious friend who, when he grasped what I was saying, could not understand why people were not flocking to the domes to transform the nation and the world. He accepted my explanations about the difficulties of making money in a tiny town and making time for group program. Still, the sincerity of his response said, If you have the key to do so much good, how can you not use it? Goes back to questions raised in this group about compassionate TMers, doesnt' it? The irony is that for those that believe in the ME, dome participation is the *ultimate* compassionate behavior, which people who like to criticize TMers for lack of (especially those who choose to go to the Domes instead of participate in chartible acts or soemthign). If that were true, look at those who have a history of slamming critics of TM here, the posters we tend to call the True Believers. You know who I'm talking about, right? I'm going to respond because I have a sneaking suspicion that Barry is including me in this category, even though he knows (a) I'm not a True Believer, and (b) I slam people who are dishonest, intellectually sloppy, hypocritical, arrogant, etc., whether they're TM critics or not, and *don't* slam TM critics who don't exhibit this kind of behavior. They're sure putting *their* compassion on the line by being in the domes every day, right? :-) Face it...as far as I can tell (but I haven't been paying attention to dome attendance), the only person who regularly posts to this forum who seems to put his money where his mouth is when it comes to actually going to the domes is L.Shaddai. The rest *posture* as strong, loyal TMers while sitting on their asses at home. So the bottom line is that they demonstrate no compassion by going to the domes, For me, not possible, for reasons I'm not going to go into. they demonstrate no com- passion by doing charitable works, I do plenty, thank you very much (and have already explained this to Barry). and as human beings they are such miserable failures that most people on this forum don't even interact with them any more. Barry fantasizes that this is the case, but it isn't. It isn't true of any of those of us he characterizes as TBs, in fact (speaking of dishonesty). That's sure some commercial for practicing TM and believing in the ME as a form of compassion, eh? It *is* a form of compassion for those who believe it works. But that, of course, doesn't mean (speaking of intellectual sloppiness) that those who don't participate in the domes lack compassion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: I have an Indian friend who is an MD and learned ayurveda as he was growing up from his grandfather who practiced in Indian villages. His method of ayurveda, being simplified for villagers, is very easy to grasp. Unfortunately, due to having a family, he could not afford to take the time to do the internship required to become an American MD. If he had done that he could have set up some courses and I can tell they would have been far more reasonably priced than anything the TMO offers. Quite possibly. However, would he be able to seriously talk about a pre-med program out of his school, with a genuine MD degree program in the works? MMY's fascination with money pays dividends ;-) Lawson
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What did you take with you from TM-Shiva
Richard Williams wrote: ...there are no mantras used in TM practice - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' mantras. Bhairitu wrote: What about the advanced techniques? You get only one 'bija' mantra with TM - in the advanced techniques, just words or phrases, no more bijas. For example, 'namah' is just a Sanskrit word added for 'fertilizer' to water the 'root' bija. In the 'Night Technique' advanced technique, there are no bijas, words, or phrases, just a short visulization. Your understanding is from the superficial knowledge that MMY gave and watered down for public consumption. You need to become a tantric initiate to learn more. You haven't even scratched the surface of mantra shastra. That's not a bij mantra. When I talk about TM'ers being Saraswati worshipers, what exactly am I talking about? The bija mantra for Saraswati is actually a Tantric Buddhist bija for Tara. Apparently some babas overheard this at a Buddhist yoga camp meet and got it all mixed up with the Shakti, and it then became all topsy turvey. Doesn't matter but the use without some balance seems to create practitioners with overstimulated intellects. More balance is needed. If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' then you're probably not practicing TM. Yes because it was not taught as a part of TM (though may have been on some of the Primodial Sounds tapes). But it is just as valid if not a powerful or more powerful than using just a bij mantra. The bij mantras or aksharas are used to enliven longer mantras. I think why MMY used them as first techniques (recommending the advanced technique to replace it after about a year and a half) because they don't take much to be lively and any idiot can initiate someone with them and get some results. Clever but again lacks the safety and balance that other programs have. This all makes perfect sense - apparently you have learned a lot from your Pilot Guru! But I'm not sure which 'programs' that have the 'safety and balance' you're talking about. If any 'idiot' can use the TM bijas and get good results, why would they want to drive all the way to Oakland in order to get some more, longer, nonsense syllables? Simple seems much better to me - one short bija can get you all the way to Nirvana and TM training that you can get in most large cities. Go figure. Because the longer mantras and siddhi mantras are very powerful having been passed down by an age old tradition. You won't get anything like that from TM. If you wanted to, you could chant any number of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just as well use English for that purpose and repeat 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no 'magic' words in Sanskrit. The vibratory influence. That's really the question - exactly how is a nonsense syllable 'enlivened' and made 'lively'? In TM by reciting the puja before giving the mantra to the initiate. In a previous post I mentioned that the Swami Muktananda most likely got his Shiva mantra by reading a booklet. Apparently his teacher, Nityananda, gave out no bijas or tantric techniques, so how do you make a bija lively by reading it in a book? By having a guru mantra which Nityananda gave him. Once you have one of those then you can enliven any mantra, even out of a book though most yogis use mantras passed on to them by their gurus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: i recall also when the first dome was assembled in fairfield, the temp had to be warm enough to pour the concrete, and it was middle of winter. nonetheless, the temp warmed to way above normal so that the dome could be assembled-- this was in '79 or '80. not associated with a large assembly, but the linchpin of the mass flying program. Excellent point. Whether the temperature goes up or down, it is equal evidence of TM meditator's miraculousness! Same with the stock market. Same with your health. Same with (fill in the blank) Oh yeah, and it always rained when Lillian came to teach advanced techniques like she was the wicked witch of the West! i am not making any point here, much as you may think i am-- i just remembered this and thought i would mention it. prior to enlightenment, everyone's consciousness is like a football, just like the Maharishi said, TMers and Sidhas included, kicked here and there by the whims of the mind. there may be some falshes of insight, some support of Nature, or a flashy experience, but prior to enlightenment becoming a living reality, TMers and Sidhas are just like any other person in terms of what life has to offer, sometimes far worse off. only by anchoring the mind as a result of the permanent establishment of enlightenment will one gain full support of the world. until then, everything is up in the air, everything is up for grabs. all of the talk about TMers doing better at this and that were some of the many carrots the Maharishi seeded our minds with so that we would continue meditating until the goal was reached, and beyond. it is sermonizing, insprirational speech designed to keep the practice relevant, lively and hopeful for us. anyone that believed it as a magical talisman to ward off all that we didn't want was delusional, as we all were at one time. however, some of us were able to move past that, and some sadly were not.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:57 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: The rest *posture* as strong, loyal TMers while sitting on their asses at home. So the bottom line is that they demonstrate no compassion by going to the domes, they demonstrate no com- passion by doing charitable works, and as human beings they are such miserable failures that most people on this forum don't even interact with them any more. That's sure some commercial for practicing TM and believing in the ME as a form of compassion, eh? C'mon, Barry, don't be shy--tell us what you*really* feel. :) You know the type I was talking about (which does not include Lawson...he's been very bal- anced and moderated in his comments lately). And it doesn't include those who clearly don't believe in the ME...why would they want to go to the domes if they don't believe it does anything? But those who profess to believe in the ME *and* who have a proven history of trying to demonize any critics of TM and who don't go to the domes themselves, even for a week or so during holidays if they live elsewhere? I think raunchy might go--at least, she's here in FF. Cool if she does. I respect L.Shaddai for living in accord with his stated beliefs, and anyone else here who believes in the ME and actually shows up in the domes. But those whose contribution to the TMO consists of posturing on the Internet and who claim to believe in the ME but don't do anything about supporting it? Fuckin' hypocrites.
[FairfieldLife] New Quote
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[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 3:13 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: No whip? No gun? No cattle prods? Sal OK, skip the Sidha dresses, you're going straight to black leather or midnight latex. Which is, of course, what all those conservative women were wearing underneath the Sidha dresses. I wonder! The New York Times' Maureen Dowd has written how women in Saudi Arabia will wear mad sexy lingerie under their burkas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation SUCKS
I agree. Got any better ideas? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, arhatafreespe...@... wrote: Meditation SUCKS Everybody experiences meditation whether in running, watching a sunset, or sleeping. There are infinite ways to meditate with intent. To meditate is a journey to enhancement of self love. Meditating is not a desirable experience for many, especially those who see themselves as too busy to care about eliminating the barriers to self love. To be in awareness is to be in meditation. whether walking and being aware of the surroundings with no mental ¡jibber jabber¢ or, to be making love where both are in a thoughtless zone of just being. Meditation happens in many forms but without the company of the busy mind. To take a momentary vacation from the attachment of the minds clinging worries, concerns, and programing of other¢s belief systems, is not what most prefer to take the time to do. Luck is for losers, as is magic, however, those who stay focused on any objective will experience more luck and magic! Focus on moving toward deeper love and meditation and, the birth of consciousness will become a permanent friend. The world evolves as the individual evolves, one at a time.. It may seem like wishful thinking, but consider not long ago the act of mindless smoking! Going to a supermarket just a few short years ago and, it would not be uncommon to see someone smoking who when finished, would drop the cigarette on the floor and put it out with a twist of their shoe! I recall the time in a crowded New York City singles bar when some ones resting cigarette with arm by their side would frequently burn your hand or leave a burn mark on the clothes! Outlawing smoking sucked for many and yet, most of us couldn¢t imagine returning to those ¡unconscious times¢. Loving oneself, another, and others totally seems an inconvenient, unreachable ¡pie in the sky¢ behavior, let alone meditating to clear the path to the state of deep love. Moving beyond the mental resistance and barriers, it can become normal, and quite divine! Yesss Self Love Center Est. 1991 arhatafreespe...@... 310 880-2020 Port Townsend, Washington USA Copyright January 5, 200
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Jan 5, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I wonder! The New York Times' Maureen Dowd has written how women in Saudi Arabia will wear mad sexy lingerie under their burkas. I heard blue jeans and t-shirts. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Ethical behavior (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
Comment below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote: Excellent points Patrick. Are you acquainted with the Nidiches research on ethics and TM? Do you have an opinion about it? I don't really feel qualified to understand what the research does and does not prove. This is the nub of the issue, isn't it? I'm surprised at how paltry my education has been regarding what constitutes good science. Even in journalism graduate school, the required course on research - which should have concentrated on evaluating studies - failed to convey anything useful. Peter Sutphen's critiques in this forum have been good. And Vaj likes to take apart TM research. Maybe if we posted studies here, we could evaluate them. As I recall the Nidich research, it was well- replicated and had impressive p-values, but beyond that, I don't know how solid it is. What I do recall is that Maharishi School and Maharishi University students scored real well on a Kohlberg moral development test, outscoring students who tried to develop their moral compasses using methods Kohlberg developed. At least, that's how I recall it from the days when I was a proponent of such things. But I'll do a search, and thanks for advancing the discussion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote: Like flying, TM leading to better ethics is a hollow claim with plenty of counter evidence. I'm not saying that some really impulsive people don't benefit in being able to think before they act a bit more from the influence of meditation. But the movement is not filled with more ethical people than I see in an ordinary mix of well educated society and it has it full share of criminals who meditate regularly. As an old-time TM teacher once pointed out to me, it's really the science that tells you whether someone's claims are valid. Any organization can trot out reasonably attractive representatives who relate inspiring anecdotes about their program's benefits. Or in your examples above, Curtis, it's easy to find scoundrels in the saintliest organization. But a strictly designed, well-controlled study shows you whether the program works regardless of the Shining Example here and the Sorry Disappointment there. Are you acquainted with the Nidiches research on ethics and TM? Do you have an opinion about it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:37 PM, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I respect L.Shaddai for living in accord with his stated beliefs, and anyone else here who believes in the ME and actually shows up in the domes. I believe that there is a ME. Been there, seen it. Been back at the Houston CAE while the Amherst course was going on. I took note of the 747s colliding with each other, the Popes dying, the many dictators losing their positions, LPG tank truck blowing up on the coast of Spain killing and burning many. As an established seer of the ultimate reality (hahaha) I will speak for some of those in FF who don't go to the domes and are still in good standing. We believe in the ME. But we don't believe in the TMO cooking the numbers. Simple cooking is shown in the IA numbers. The numbers include the Mens Dome the Ladies Dome, THP, THMD (far out in VC) the pandits in VC and more enclaves. I've heard many times that we should actually count the numbers higher because there are people at home in FF doing their flying. Well why stop there? Why not count me in when I'm doing program in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Bedroom of Pure Knowledge and Temple in Austin? Remember, we used to do program round the globe, sometimes trying to get all of North America to do program at the same time, sometime having round the clock coverage. I think maybe 2000 might be a good number. Definitely it feels good to me. But hey, it sure seems to me and others I speak with that the ME for the country is defined as 500 more fliers than are currently counted as doing program together in FF/VC unless something good is happening. I am serious as a heart attack that I would spend as much as I could afford to sponsor people who could not otherwise add to the numbers if we could get to 10,000 for a year straight. I wouldn't settle for 2,500 or 5,000. I'd go for a couple of weeks, but not tap savings to try to sponsor to get less than 10,000. Do I sponsor people now? You bet your ass. But I sponsor them not really to keep the numbers up but because being in a large group is good for your growth. I'm looking to help this and that individual get unstuck from the mud the way I seem to have become over the last couple of years, not to bring world peace. I am in a very sweet spot in human existence and I'd like to share this spot with others. If I could bring world peace, great. But I believe that less than 10,000 even the benefits to the people I sponsor wouldn't be worth the extra expenditure. We really need to update the rules of of FFL to say that certain questions should be avoided for the sake of embarassment of others. The question of what do those who can still go to the dome feel is a very uncomfortable and embarassing question. It reveals like nothing else what people really do feel. You see, I was going to drone on about how difficult it is to get to the dome with kids, a job, a life, the program interferring with dinner, Fairfield expanding to be a very large parking lot during rush hour with all those damned traffic signals and 25 mph speed zones and people driving from Lisco and beyond and it looks like Alex lives pretty far away. But I realized that that's a cop out. We had more people going to the domes years ago and life and getting to the domes was as much of a bitch then. When there was an Austin CAE near West Street in Downtown Austin I used to duck out of work as soon as I could, jump on the expressway and head to the CAE as fast as I could. There I was met by the 3 purusha guys, typically no one else in the mens flying crypt. It was an effort for me to go to the CAE but there were students and professors at UT a couple blocks away and they didn't show. I wasn't busting my ass to get downtown to the Austin CAE for world peace. I was busting my ass to get to where I am right now. What happened? TM was endlessly exciting during the Merv Wave. Going to the center, going on residence courses. Then I joined the vast mass of the unwashed lepers whom HH MMY had no use for because we were not in the exclusive society of sidhas. There were like no lectures for us. Definitely no courses for us. That I guess was an exciting time at MIU. I only know from having send my mum and myself at different times there for the month long SCI. I got the sidhis. Then I was part of the excitement. WPAs everywhere and everyone you went on there was a buzz in the air. The culmination of the excitement was the Taste of Utopia, which strangely enough couldn't make it for more than a week. If we could have extended at 7-8 thousand I would have extended and had the means to sponsor others. But it just wouldn't happen. Then it slowly fell apart until we got to the point where we had to outsource our dome attendence to a bunch of smarmy guys in VC.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:57 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: The rest *posture* as strong, loyal TMers while sitting on their asses at home. So the bottom line is that they demonstrate no compassion by going to the domes, they demonstrate no com- passion by doing charitable works, and as human beings they are such miserable failures that most people on this forum don't even interact with them any more. That's sure some commercial for practicing TM and believing in the ME as a form of compassion, eh? C'mon, Barry, don't be shy--tell us what you*really* feel. :) You know the type I was talking about (which does not include Lawson...he's been very bal- anced and moderated in his comments lately). And it doesn't include those who clearly don't believe in the ME...why would they want to go to the domes if they don't believe it does anything? But those who profess to believe in the ME *and* who have a proven history of trying to demonize any critics of TM and who don't go to the domes themselves, even for a week or so during holidays if they live elsewhere? I think raunchy might go--at least, she's here in FF. Cool if she does. I respect L.Shaddai for living in accord with his stated beliefs, and anyone else here who believes in the ME and actually shows up in the domes. But those whose contribution to the TMO consists of posturing on the Internet and who claim to believe in the ME but don't do anything about supporting it? Fuckin' hypocrites. ha ha- i think you've just painted yourself into a corner, arrogant fool. you have so many caveats in your statement above that you're not left with anyone that it pertains to! keep trippin'- you're good at it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Jan 5, 2009, at 4:59 PM, I am the eternal wrote: As an established seer of the ultimate reality (hahaha) I will speak for some of those in FF who don't go to the domes and are still in good standing. We believe in the ME. We? Who's we? But we don't believe in the TMO cooking the numbers. Simple cooking is shown in the IA numbers. The numbers include the Mens Dome the Ladies Dome, THP, THMD (far out in VC) the pandits in VC and more enclaves. I've heard many times that we should actually count the numbers higher because there are people at home in FF doing their flying. Well why stop there? Why not count me in when I'm doing program in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Bedroom of Pure Knowledge and Temple in Austin? Remember, we used to do program round the globe, sometimes trying to get all of North America to do program at the same time, sometime having round the clock coverage. Yes, and what did it get us? 8 years of George Bush, endless war and an economy in the toilet. Great advertising for the ME, L. I think maybe 2000 might be a good number. Yes, 2000 will surely make a difference...this time WILL be different! Definitely it feels good to me. But hey, it sure seems to me and others I speak with that the ME for the country is defined as 500 more fliers than are currently counted as doing program together in FF/VC unless something good is happening. I am serious as a heart attack that I would spend as much as I could afford to sponsor people who could not otherwise add to the numbers if we could get to 10,000 for a year straight. I wouldn't settle for 2,500 or 5,000. I'd go for a couple of weeks, but not tap savings to try to sponsor to get less than 10,000. Do I sponsor people now? You bet your ass. But I sponsor them not really to keep the numbers up but because being in a large group is good for your growth. I'm looking to help this and that individual get unstuck from the mud the way I seem to have become over the last couple of years, not to bring world peace. I am in a very sweet spot in human existence and I'd like to share this spot with others. If I could bring world peace, great. But I believe that less than 10,000 even the benefits to the people I sponsor wouldn't be worth the extra expenditure. We really need to update the rules of of FFL to say that certain questions should be avoided for the sake of embarassment of others. That would be basically cut out most of the conversation here. The question of what do those who can still go to the dome feel is a very uncomfortable and embarassing question. Yes, I'm sitting here burning with embarrassment at the very thought. It reveals like nothing else what people really do feel. Oh, really--you can see into people's souls? You see, I was going to drone on about how difficult it is to get to the dome with kids, a job, a life, the program interferring with dinner, Fairfield expanding to be a very large parking lot during rush hour with all those damned traffic signals and 25 mph speed zones and people driving from Lisco and beyond and it looks like Alex lives pretty far away. But I realized that that's a cop out. We had more people going to the domes years ago and life and getting to the domes was as much of a bitch then. Ah, but one thing we had in abundance then, which mercifully is somewhat less now, were gullible, naive sheep who believed all the nonsense spouting from the Fountains Of Wisdom. People don't want to go--it's as simple as that. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Ethical behavior (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: Comment below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote: Excellent points Patrick. Are you acquainted with the Nidiches research on ethics and TM? Do you have an opinion about it? I don't really feel qualified to understand what the research does and does not prove. This is the nub of the issue, isn't it? I'm surprised at how paltry my education has been regarding what constitutes good science. Even in journalism graduate school, the required course on research - which should have concentrated on evaluating studies - failed to convey anything useful. Peter Sutphen's critiques in this forum have been good. And Vaj likes to take apart TM research. Maybe if we posted studies here, we could evaluate them. As I recall the Nidich research, it was well- replicated and had impressive p-values, but beyond that, I don't know how solid it is. What I do recall is that Maharishi School and Maharishi University students scored real well on a Kohlberg moral development test, outscoring students who tried to develop their moral compasses using methods Kohlberg developed. At least, that's how I recall it from the days when I was a proponent of such things. But I'll do a search, and thanks for advancing the discussion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote: Like flying, TM leading to better ethics is a hollow claim with plenty of counter evidence. I'm not saying that some really impulsive people don't benefit in being able to think before they act a bit more from the influence of meditation. But the movement is not filled with more ethical people than I see in an ordinary mix of well educated society and it has it full share of criminals who meditate regularly. As an old-time TM teacher once pointed out to me, it's really the science that tells you whether someone's claims are valid. Any organization can trot out reasonably attractive representatives who relate inspiring anecdotes about their program's benefits. Or in your examples above, Curtis, it's easy to find scoundrels in the saintliest organization. But a strictly designed, well-controlled study shows you whether the program works regardless of the Shining Example here and the Sorry Disappointment there. Are you acquainted with the Nidiches research on ethics and TM? Do you have an opinion about it? IIRC, Nidich is affiliated with the TMO and is a proponent of a cosmic level of moral development, beyond the Kohlberg states. Lots of theory here and not a lot of fact. Also, there is plenty of criticisms regarding Kohlberg and his states of moral development, which are based more on justice than compassion. And, his states pertain only to moral reasoning, not to whether someone acts in a moral or ethical way or is in any respect a good person.
[FairfieldLife] Catholic Bishop - 9-11 was a Lie Inside Job
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Quote
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
it is sermonizing, insprirational speech designed to keep the practice relevant, lively and hopeful for us. anyone that believed it as a magical talisman to ward off all that we didn't want was delusional, as we all were at one time. however, some of us were able to move past that, and some sadly were not. So believing his explicit and relentlessly repeated teaching makes the believers delusional? One way of moving past that might be to believe that perhaps it was Maharishi who was delusional and we were all just fine. I don't feel like I have been kicked around by the whims of my mind. only by anchoring the mind as a result of the permanent establishment of enlightenment will one gain full support of the world. until then, everything is up in the air, everything is up for grabs. I'm not sure I understand what you might consider having full support of the world. It seem to me that spiritually minded people have a mental reframe to contextualize what happens in their life. They either believe it is their karma or they are purifying everyone else's karma, but ultimately they take the position that whatever happens is OK and they deal with it. This is not such a bad way to go through life IMO. But I don't see any evidence that anyone is exempt from bad shit happening so it really boils down to how you react to it in the end. Anyone can claim to have the full support of the world and whatever happens to them is through that filter. It just strikes me as an unnecessary layer of belief between me and what IS. How do you relate to this concept in your own life? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: i recall also when the first dome was assembled in fairfield, the temp had to be warm enough to pour the concrete, and it was middle of winter. nonetheless, the temp warmed to way above normal so that the dome could be assembled-- this was in '79 or '80. not associated with a large assembly, but the linchpin of the mass flying program. Excellent point. Whether the temperature goes up or down, it is equal evidence of TM meditator's miraculousness! Same with the stock market. Same with your health. Same with (fill in the blank) Oh yeah, and it always rained when Lillian came to teach advanced techniques like she was the wicked witch of the West! i am not making any point here, much as you may think i am-- i just remembered this and thought i would mention it. prior to enlightenment, everyone's consciousness is like a football, just like the Maharishi said, TMers and Sidhas included, kicked here and there by the whims of the mind. there may be some falshes of insight, some support of Nature, or a flashy experience, but prior to enlightenment becoming a living reality, TMers and Sidhas are just like any other person in terms of what life has to offer, sometimes far worse off. only by anchoring the mind as a result of the permanent establishment of enlightenment will one gain full support of the world. until then, everything is up in the air, everything is up for grabs. all of the talk about TMers doing better at this and that were some of the many carrots the Maharishi seeded our minds with so that we would continue meditating until the goal was reached, and beyond. it is sermonizing, insprirational speech designed to keep the practice relevant, lively and hopeful for us. anyone that believed it as a magical talisman to ward off all that we didn't want was delusional, as we all were at one time. however, some of us were able to move past that, and some sadly were not.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
OK, skip the Sidha dresses, you're going straight to black leather or midnight latex. Which is, of course, what all those conservative women were wearing underneath the Sidha dresses. Bet you didn't know that, Curtis. Sal I did my share of in the field research Sal, and even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 3:13 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: No whip? No gun? No cattle prods? Sal OK, skip the Sidha dresses, you're going straight to black leather or midnight latex. Which is, of course, what all those conservative women were wearing underneath the Sidha dresses. Bet you didn't know that, Curtis. Sal
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[FairfieldLife] Catholic Bishop - 9-11 was a Lie Inside Job {Correct one}
First I've heard of a high ranking Catholic speak out! With the blessings of the Pope? Arhata Who Pulled 9/11 ? is the title of a companion article that I just added to the 01/03/09 update of the http://www.truthque stonline. info/NEWS_ VIEWS.html page C.C.-9/11 video.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
So Doug, you're saying there are dome-eligible Fairfield 'rus who would rather meditate at home? I wonder if they reject the notion that group practice of the TM-Sidhi program creates good in society. It would be interesting if they believe in the efficacy of the TM-Sidhi program, but reject the Maharishi Effect. That efficacy aspect is a level of the question. It is a good question though that can get at things here. More often the answer to efficacy of the ME question is that some lot of people see the behavior of the movement as so bad that the feeling in the domes from that bad character aspect of the movement itself is counter-productive to the experience. It is common when you ask around and listen. Yes, lot of people do not go. It is also remarkable too how many people have current dome badges but do not go. It often does boil down to the moral dissonance problem as you canvas. They do not reject the ME necessarily. Folks know the experience of a good group meditation. That experience and hope is often what had brought people here originally. Increasingly though over the years people are identifying the experience of a bad-group meditation with doing program in the domes. So they would simply rather stay home. Then again it can also just be that some people just do not like to meditate in group regardless. The common denominator here though is that folks mostly do like their meditation. mostly folks are loyal to that. But yet an equally common denominator when you ask is that most folks do not do the whole blown TM-sidhi thing anymore as their practice, in or out of the dome. Very few do. It has gone on to something else for most people. Of course, a lot of people have left over the years but of what remains, this aspect is pretty clear. I just ask and listen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Relevant thread, canvassing around as to why folks are not in the dome meditating, most often say they `like' meditating at home instead of the domes. That then breaks down, to that there is too much sleeping in the domes which dulls the experience, or there are too many people bad from the old TM-movement and therefore the feeling is bad in there and 3) there is a comunalenment in the group that the administration by their chs keeping it from happening. Doug, what are you saying in Point 3 above? Mostly folks in the larger meditating community would rather meditate at home and have a better experience than going up on campus. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] OOT: Terrorism, False Flags, Religion World Political Fraud
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[FairfieldLife] Ethical behavior (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: IIRC, Nidich is affiliated with the TMO and is a proponent of a cosmic level of moral development, beyond the Kohlberg states. Lots of theory here and not a lot of fact. Also, there is plenty of criticisms regarding Kohlberg and his states of moral development, which are based more on justice than compassion. And, his states pertain only to moral reasoning, not to whether someone acts in a moral or ethical way or is in any respect a good person. Ah, thank you Ruth. I was wondering given the record. Improved 'moral reasoning' is solemnly pointed to by the Dr. in Hagelin's powerpoint present. Moral reasonging. It is a mouthful as he says it, but oddly there was not elaboration. Moral reasoning. Improved moral reasoning but a school and program with no ethical code or consideration. Not a we are this and not that to be found. No chart on moral behavior. No limit to what they will tolerate in ethical behavior. Very nuevo.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: But yet an equally common denominator when you ask is that most folks do not do the whole blown TM-sidhi thing anymore as their practice, in or out of the dome. Very few do. A former MIU classmate of mine who has spent most of her life on Mother Divine told me about an interesting exchange Maharishi had with an Invicible America course participant a few years ago. The CP was going on about doing X minutes of this part of the program and Y minutes of that part, and Maharishi said, in effect, You don't have to cleave closely to those times. We instituted those times at the beginning, but we've been at it so long we can work out our own schedules now. I kid you not. That's how I understood the exchange, relayed second-hand as it was. I could have it wrong, of course, but the takeaway my friend and I had was that we could pretty much customize our programs with MMY's blessing. I wonder what kind of participation the Domes would get with a 30-minute program.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: it is sermonizing, insprirational speech designed to keep the practice relevant, lively and hopeful for us. anyone that believed it as a magical talisman to ward off all that we didn't want was delusional, as we all were at one time. however, some of us were able to move past that, and some sadly were not. So believing his explicit and relentlessly repeated teaching makes the believers delusional? the Maharishi had quite a task in front of him when faced by all of us -- reinventing spiritual life for householders, undoing generations of mistaken beliefs and practices. he knew the knowledge and techniques he was bringing out were effective and useful. so he proclaimed that they would lead to enlightenment in one stroke, instantly. he never said to my knowledge (and i heard many, many of his tapes, including the full SCI course), that permanent enlightenment was achieved in that one instant. he was very specific about this distinction- he said that to transcend once was gaining the -experience- of enlightenment instantly, not the permanent establishment of it. he was drawing a powerful contrast between the perversion of how meditation had come to be understood, as an arduous journey of concentration or a nebulous spaciness, and how it could be easily experienced in its completeness with TM. regarding the permanent establishment of enlightenment, he never spoke about it directly, except in terms of his own experience and how he saw the world. though also never proclaiming himself to be enlightened. the Maharishi understood that each of us approaches the path to enlightenment from a different angle. for everyone that undertakes the path to spiritual fulfillment, they are going to think about it and experience it differently. so he spoke about sign posts and mechanics, but he left the full realization of permanent enlightenment up to us. he wanted nothing more than that for all of us, and for us to achieve it on our own, unmistakably and singularly. One way of moving past that might be to believe that perhaps it was Maharishi who was delusional and we were all just fine. sure, and imo that is throwing the baby out with the bath water, a massive setback. I don't feel like I have been kicked around by the whims of my mind. i think i recall reading how you were once quite highly placed in the TMO at one time, living quite a different life and path than now. is that indicative of a life of singular focus and stability? i am not criticizing you, just showing how the whims of your mind have led you all over the place. only by anchoring the mind as a result of the permanent establishment of enlightenment will one gain full support of the world. until then, everything is up in the air, everything is up for grabs. I'm not sure I understand what you might consider having full support of the world. It seem to me that spiritually minded people have a mental reframe to contextualize what happens in their life. moodmaking is all that is. if we are contextualizing all the time instead of living, might as well just go to sleep instead. They either believe it is their karma or they are purifying everyone else's karma, but ultimately they take the position that whatever happens is OK and they deal with it. This is not such a bad way to go through life IMO. fatalistically? i agree that what goes around comes around, but beyond that do not spend any time thinking about it. i am also vigorous in accomplishing my goals, whatever they might be. what you are describing sounds wimpy. But I don't see any evidence that anyone is exempt from bad shit happening so it really boils down to how you react to it in the end. Anyone can claim to have the full support of the world and whatever happens to them is through that filter. yes, they can claim to live in a dream world, a fantasy, a castle built in the air. perhaps comforting, but ultimately stagnant and nearly worthless. It just strikes me as an unnecessary layer of belief between me and what IS. How do you relate to this concept in your own life? i am continuously learning about life- after all i am alive. i don't see my world as contained by any set of boundaries, except practical ones necessary for me to make a living, and be fully engaged in my personal, social, and work relationships. i am not exempt from bad shit happening i suppose, though i will say that i enjoy a dynamic feeling of security now such that i have not known previously. i don't think of myself as particularly special. on the other hand my life, including my death, and all beyond that, feels both intimate and meaningful- without much fear or doubt. thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Ethical behavior (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
Quick comments interleaved. Please do not mistake brevity for curtness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: IIRC, Nidich is affiliated with the TMO and is a proponent of a cosmic level of moral development, beyond the Kohlberg states. Lots of theory here and not a lot of fact. Also, there is plenty of criticisms regarding Kohlberg and his states of moral development, which are based more on justice than compassion. I associate ethical behavior with doing what's right, which I associate with justice and fairness, not compassion. I wonder what kinds of tests people use to measure compassion? And, his states pertain only to moral reasoning, not to whether someone acts in a moral or ethical way or is in any respect a good person. This is the nut issue here. ^ I understand the gold standard of science to be the longitudinal study, which may not be possible in this instance. But failure to live up to that standard of research does not mean all other methods are invalid, does it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Ah, thank you Ruth. I was wondering given the record. Improved 'moral reasoning' is solemnly pointed to by the Dr. in Hagelin's powerpoint present. Moral reasonging. It is a mouthful as he says it, but oddly there was not elaboration. Moral reasoning. Improved moral reasoning but a school and program with no ethical code or consideration. Not a we are this and not that to be found. No chart on moral behavior. No limit to what they will tolerate in ethical behavior. Very nuevo. The instruction is simple and, in my day, oft repeated: Do not do that which you know to be wrong. So the question would be, in interviewing someone who did something the rest of us find morally compromised, Did you simply not know such an act was wrong? Or did you know, yet do it anyway?
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
Twenty-five years ago, 1983, was the epitome of personal participation in the group practices of the TMSP in Fairfield's Domes. In 1983, there were still traces of egalitarianism around; every Sidha was considered equally important to creating the square root effect. Sidhas in Fairfield were fully appreciated by the TMO simply for their dedicated, reliable dome attendance. Yet, in January, 1984, even before the end of the TOU 7000 course, the TMO took steps in a new direction that would undermine the status of the loyal single Sidha, and since then, the concept of the loyal valuable Sidha has yet to recover. Consequently, participation in group TMSP has declined as well. In January, 1984, the TMO elites, many still in Fairfield following the TOU course, were introduced to Ayurveda treatments, and thus began the TMO's new emphasis Outrageously high-priced services and products for every conceivable relative need pampered medical treatments ; routines and products for every hour of the day; luxury spa vacations ; jems ; jyotish ; yagyas to counter-act malefic jyotish; architecture; yada yada Egalitarianism is now long-gone. And loyal, subsistence-level Fairfield Sidhas Should they feel good about going to the domes today ? Like the jobs before them, even their participation in Superradiance has now been outsourced. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: So Doug, you're saying there are dome-eligible Fairfield 'rus who would rather meditate at home? I wonder if they reject the notion that group practice of the TM-Sidhi program creates good in society. It would be interesting if they believe in the efficacy of the TM-Sidhi program, but reject the Maharishi Effect. That efficacy aspect is a level of the question. It is a good question though that can get at things here. More often the answer to efficacy of the ME question is that some lot of people see the behavior of the movement as so bad that the feeling in the domes from that bad character aspect of the movement itself is counter-productive to the experience. It is common when you ask around and listen. Yes, lot of people do not go. It is also remarkable too how many people have current dome badges but do not go. It often does boil down to the moral dissonance problem as you canvas. They do not reject the ME necessarily. Folks know the experience of a good group meditation. That experience and hope is often what had brought people here originally. Increasingly though over the years people are identifying the experience of a bad-group meditation with doing program in the domes. So they would simply rather stay home. Then again it can also just be that some people just do not like to meditate in group regardless. The common denominator here though is that folks mostly do like their meditation. mostly folks are loyal to that. But yet an equally common denominator when you ask is that most folks do not do the whole blown TM-sidhi thing anymore as their practice, in or out of the dome. Very few do. It has gone on to something else for most people. Of course, a lot of people have left over the years but of what remains, this aspect is pretty clear. I just ask and listen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Relevant thread, canvassing around as to why folks are not in the dome meditating, most often say they `like' meditating at home instead of the domes. That then breaks down, to that there is too much sleeping in the domes which dulls the experience, or there are too many people bad from the old TM-movement and therefore the feeling is bad in there and 3) there is a comunalenment in the group that the administration by their chs keeping it from happening. Doug, what are you saying in Point 3 above? Mostly folks in the larger meditating community would rather meditate at home and have a better experience than going up on campus. [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
Thanks for the long response ED. Although I don't share the pre-suppositions in your POV I appreciate you sharing them in more detail. That is what makes this place interesting. I do want to answer one part specifically: I don't feel like I have been kicked around by the whims of my mind. i think i recall reading how you were once quite highly placed in the TMO at one time, living quite a different life and path than now. is that indicative of a life of singular focus and stability? I'm not sure how my changing my POV as I grew up in my life has anything to do with the concepts of singular focus or stability. I don't deify either of those concepts in my life except perhaps emotional stability which I have never had a problem with in or out of the movement. I have explored many things in my life, evaluated their usefulness, and as I grew in perspective, kept what was useful and got rid of what was not. From my teenage choices in life, TM went and Delta blues stayed. As Lincoln said when challenged on his changing views: I do not think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday. I have had a singular focus on gaining the truth as best I can in my life. As far as changing point of view as being a sign of a lack of stability goes: I got into TM when I was 16 and stayed with it for 15 years, with about 10 full time. I pursued it fiercely until I got the answers from it I wanted. I enjoyed my time in TM and enjoy my life now even more. Growing up has been good to me. I have learned to be kinder to myself and others. I am still a work in progress. i am not criticizing you, just showing how the whims of your mind have led you all over the place. Referring to my life choices with the pejorative spin that it was due to the whims of my mind IS a criticism. But that's OK. I'm stable enough to handle it! Too much single focus and stability in life sound kind of boring as a guiding principles for my life. I an willing to try new things that shake me up to see if they are useful. I think we are all trying to balance this in our lives and I don't see people through the filter of their mind's whims leading them all over the place. That seems an unkind way to view a person's personal growth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: it is sermonizing, insprirational speech designed to keep the practice relevant, lively and hopeful for us. anyone that believed it as a magical talisman to ward off all that we didn't want was delusional, as we all were at one time. however, some of us were able to move past that, and some sadly were not. So believing his explicit and relentlessly repeated teaching makes the believers delusional? the Maharishi had quite a task in front of him when faced by all of us -- reinventing spiritual life for householders, undoing generations of mistaken beliefs and practices. he knew the knowledge and techniques he was bringing out were effective and useful. so he proclaimed that they would lead to enlightenment in one stroke, instantly. he never said to my knowledge (and i heard many, many of his tapes, including the full SCI course), that permanent enlightenment was achieved in that one instant. he was very specific about this distinction- he said that to transcend once was gaining the -experience- of enlightenment instantly, not the permanent establishment of it. he was drawing a powerful contrast between the perversion of how meditation had come to be understood, as an arduous journey of concentration or a nebulous spaciness, and how it could be easily experienced in its completeness with TM. regarding the permanent establishment of enlightenment, he never spoke about it directly, except in terms of his own experience and how he saw the world. though also never proclaiming himself to be enlightened. the Maharishi understood that each of us approaches the path to enlightenment from a different angle. for everyone that undertakes the path to spiritual fulfillment, they are going to think about it and experience it differently. so he spoke about sign posts and mechanics, but he left the full realization of permanent enlightenment up to us. he wanted nothing more than that for all of us, and for us to achieve it on our own, unmistakably and singularly. One way of moving past that might be to believe that perhaps it was Maharishi who was delusional and we were all just fine. sure, and imo that is throwing the baby out with the bath water, a massive setback. I don't feel like I have been kicked around by the whims of my mind. i think i recall reading how you were once quite highly placed in the TMO at one time, living quite a different life and path than now. is that indicative of a life of
[FairfieldLife] Ethical behavior (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
The instruction is simple and, in my day, oft repeated: Do not do that which you know to be wrong. So the question would be, in interviewing someone who did something the rest of us find morally compromised, Did you simply not know such an act was wrong? Or did you know, yet do it anyway? Thanks to you and Ruth for continuing this interesting thread. The know to be wrong test is too simplistic to be an ethical guide in my opinion. Followers of Shirea law KNOW it is right to stone their daughters who are caught talking to a boy. They KNOW it. Ethics in real life situations are complex and take work. I think that the view that an enlightened person will do the RIGHT thing does a big disservice to this complexity. It is another case where a simple solution for a complex problem may be no solution at all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: Quick comments interleaved. Please do not mistake brevity for curtness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: IIRC, Nidich is affiliated with the TMO and is a proponent of a cosmic level of moral development, beyond the Kohlberg states. Lots of theory here and not a lot of fact. Also, there is plenty of criticisms regarding Kohlberg and his states of moral development, which are based more on justice than compassion. I associate ethical behavior with doing what's right, which I associate with justice and fairness, not compassion. I wonder what kinds of tests people use to measure compassion? And, his states pertain only to moral reasoning, not to whether someone acts in a moral or ethical way or is in any respect a good person. This is the nut issue here. ^ I understand the gold standard of science to be the longitudinal study, which may not be possible in this instance. But failure to live up to that standard of research does not mean all other methods are invalid, does it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Ah, thank you Ruth. I was wondering given the record. Improved 'moral reasoning' is solemnly pointed to by the Dr. in Hagelin's powerpoint present. Moral reasonging. It is a mouthful as he says it, but oddly there was not elaboration. Moral reasoning. Improved moral reasoning but a school and program with no ethical code or consideration. Not a we are this and not that to be found. No chart on moral behavior. No limit to what they will tolerate in ethical behavior. Very nuevo. The instruction is simple and, in my day, oft repeated: Do not do that which you know to be wrong. So the question would be, in interviewing someone who did something the rest of us find morally compromised, Did you simply not know such an act was wrong? Or did you know, yet do it anyway?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
Yes, 2000 will surely make a difference...this time WILL be different! Maybe it would help if the numbers were in gold next time? Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:28 PM On Jan 5, 2009, at 4:59 PM, I am the eternal wrote: As an established seer of the ultimate reality (hahaha) I will speak for some of those in FF who don't go to the domes and are still in good standing. We believe in the ME. We? Who's we? But we don't believe in the TMO cooking the numbers. Simple cooking is shown in the IA numbers. The numbers include the Mens Dome the Ladies Dome, THP, THMD (far out in VC) the pandits in VC and more enclaves. I've heard many times that we should actually count the numbers higher because there are people at home in FF doing their flying. Well why stop there? Why not count me in when I'm doing program in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Bedroom of Pure Knowledge and Temple in Austin? Remember, we used to do program round the globe, sometimes trying to get all of North America to do program at the same time, sometime having round the clock coverage. Yes, and what did it get us? 8 years of George Bush, endless war and an economy in the toilet. Great advertising for the ME, L. I think maybe 2000 might be a good number. Yes, 2000 will surely make a difference...this time WILL be different! Definitely it feels good to me. But hey, it sure seems to me and others I speak with that the ME for the country is defined as 500 more fliers than are currently counted as doing program together in FF/VC unless something good is happening. I am serious as a heart attack that I would spend as much as I could afford to sponsor people who could not otherwise add to the numbers if we could get to 10,000 for a year straight. I wouldn't settle for 2,500 or 5,000. I'd go for a couple of weeks, but not tap savings to try to sponsor to get less than 10,000. Do I sponsor people now? You bet your ass. But I sponsor them not really to keep the numbers up but because being in a large group is good for your growth. I'm looking to help this and that individual get unstuck from the mud the way I seem to have become over the last couple of years, not to bring world peace. I am in a very sweet spot in human existence and I'd like to share this spot with others. If I could bring world peace, great. But I believe that less than 10,000 even the benefits to the people I sponsor wouldn't be worth the extra expenditure. We really need to update the rules of of FFL to say that certain questions should be avoided for the sake of embarassment of others. That would be basically cut out most of the conversation here. The question of what do those who can still go to the dome feel is a very uncomfortable and embarassing question. Yes, I'm sitting here burning with embarrassment at the very thought. It reveals like nothing else what people really do feel. Oh, really--you can see into people's souls? You see, I was going to drone on about how difficult it is to get to the dome with kids, a job, a life, the program interferring with dinner, Fairfield expanding to be a very large parking lot during rush hour with all those damned traffic signals and 25 mph speed zones and people driving from Lisco and beyond and it looks like Alex lives pretty far away. But I realized that that's a cop out. We had more people going to the domes years ago and life and getting to the domes was as much of a bitch then. Ah, but one thing we had in abundance then, which mercifully is somewhat less now, were gullible, naive sheep who believed all the nonsense spouting from the Fountains Of Wisdom. People don't want to go--it's as simple as that. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@yahoo.com wrote: A former MIU classmate of mine who has spent most of her life on Mother Divine told me about an interesting exchange Maharishi had with an Invicible America course participant a few years ago. The CP was going on about doing X minutes of this part of the program and Y minutes of that part, and Maharishi said, in effect, You don't have to cleave closely to those times. We instituted those times at the beginning, but we've been at it so long we can work out our own schedules now. I kid you not. That's how I understood the exchange, relayed second-hand as it was. I could have it wrong, of course, but the takeaway my friend and I had was that we could pretty much customize our programs with MMY's blessing. I wonder what kind of participation the Domes would get with a 30-minute program. It is true that most people no longer do their full TM/TM Sidhi Program. I have some friends who were on IA and are having a rough time of it and they're doing a 30 minute program. But I visit sidhas who just finished program and they were on the phone with you 30 minutes ago inviting you to come visit. You did hear what Maharishi said correctly. No longer a need to time exactly. More do what feels right. There use to be two waves in the Dome a few years ago: for the 20 minutes of sutras and for the 40 minutes of sutras. There is a lockstep in the Dome until you get to flying, but of course there are people doing shorter program. The emphasis is on flying. Flying for hours. Two reasons for this. One, to incourage personal growth. Second, to increase the ME. If you had men flying from 10 to 30 minutes years ago and you now get a bunch of people flying for a couple of hours at a time, well, that increases the super radiance. There's a whole lot less emphasis on Research into Consciousness as the Field of All Possibilities. This disappoints me because I love many repetitions of the sutras. So many repetitions that you forget how many you have left, which sutra you're on, who you are. I suspect that very long research is no longer available is that we want to get everyone flying at the same time. The abbreviated program brings to mind another reason why people don't go to the dome anymore. The programs are increasingly longer and that's a pinch for those in FF who have a modicum of a life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
Are you serious? Flying for hours? What's the longest anyone is allowed to do? Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Mon, 1/5/09, I am the eternal l.shad...@gmail.com wrote: From: I am the eternal l.shad...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 10:44 PM On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@yahoo.com wrote: A former MIU classmate of mine who has spent most of her life on Mother Divine told me about an interesting exchange Maharishi had with an Invicible America course participant a few years ago. The CP was going on about doing X minutes of this part of the program and Y minutes of that part, and Maharishi said, in effect, You don't have to cleave closely to those times. We instituted those times at the beginning, but we've been at it so long we can work out our own schedules now. I kid you not. That's how I understood the exchange, relayed second-hand as it was. I could have it wrong, of course, but the takeaway my friend and I had was that we could pretty much customize our programs with MMY's blessing. I wonder what kind of participation the Domes would get with a 30-minute program. It is true that most people no longer do their full TM/TM Sidhi Program. I have some friends who were on IA and are having a rough time of it and they're doing a 30 minute program. But I visit sidhas who just finished program and they were on the phone with you 30 minutes ago inviting you to come visit. You did hear what Maharishi said correctly. No longer a need to time exactly. More do what feels right. There use to be two waves in the Dome a few years ago: for the 20 minutes of sutras and for the 40 minutes of sutras. There is a lockstep in the Dome until you get to flying, but of course there are people doing shorter program. The emphasis is on flying. Flying for hours. Two reasons for this. One, to incourage personal growth. Second, to increase the ME. If you had men flying from 10 to 30 minutes years ago and you now get a bunch of people flying for a couple of hours at a time, well, that increases the super radiance. There's a whole lot less emphasis on Research into Consciousness as the Field of All Possibilities. This disappoints me because I love many repetitions of the sutras. So many repetitions that you forget how many you have left, which sutra you're on, who you are. I suspect that very long research is no longer available is that we want to get everyone flying at the same time. The abbreviated program brings to mind another reason why people don't go to the dome anymore. The programs are increasingly longer and that's a pinch for those in FF who have a modicum of a life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: Thanks for the long response ED. Although I don't share the pre-suppositions in your POV I appreciate you sharing them in more detail. That is what makes this place interesting. I do want to answer one part specifically: I don't feel like I have been kicked around by the whims of my mind. i think i recall reading how you were once quite highly placed in the TMO at one time, living quite a different life and path than now. is that indicative of a life of singular focus and stability? I'm not sure how my changing my POV as I grew up in my life has anything to do with the concepts of singular focus or stability. I don't deify either of those concepts in my life except perhaps emotional stability which I have never had a problem with in or out of the movement. I have explored many things in my life, evaluated their usefulness, and as I grew in perspective, kept what was useful and got rid of what was not. From my teenage choices in life, TM went and Delta blues stayed. As Lincoln said when challenged on his changing views: I do not think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday. I have had a singular focus on gaining the truth as best I can in my life. As far as changing point of view as being a sign of a lack of stability goes: I got into TM when I was 16 and stayed with it for 15 years, with about 10 full time. I pursued it fiercely until I got the answers from it I wanted. I enjoyed my time in TM and enjoy my life now even more. Growing up has been good to me. I have learned to be kinder to myself and others. I am still a work in progress. i am not criticizing you, just showing how the whims of your mind have led you all over the place. Referring to my life choices with the pejorative spin that it was due to the whims of my mind IS a criticism. But that's OK. I'm stable enough to handle it! Too much single focus and stability in life sound kind of boring as a guiding principles for my life. I an willing to try new things that shake me up to see if they are useful. I think we are all trying to balance this in our lives and I don't see people through the filter of their mind's whims leading them all over the place. That seems an unkind way to view a person's personal growth. yes, it wasn't the best example to use, and didn't illustrate very well what i was trying to say. the original issue i was addressing was the confusion many of us felt at one time regarding the practice of TM, and that i and many others felt that it was some sort of technique to make us superior and powerful and special. ugh. there was a lot of growing up i had to do after believing that simplistic view of the world. enlightenment has to do much more with integration than it does isolation. that is what i meant to say, and please excuse my implied criticism of you. it had more to do with not having enough time to think through a good example than singling you out. thanks again.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:01 PM, gullible fool ffl...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you serious? Flying for hours? What's the longest anyone is allowed to do? * * There's time for an hour, hour and a half during first round. Then you have to stop because it's intermission time. You may fly as long as you want for the second morning round, as long as you don't prevent the sheets from getting changed, maintenance, dome meetings and the beginning of the afternoon round. Afternoon you may fly as long as you want. I've not heard of anyone being kicked out of the dome. I'd expect at some time they put on the very loud ghandarva Veda music but they might make an expection and ask you to put it on when you're done. That being the case, you have to finish flying before first morning round starts. I know some guys who have flown for 8 hours in a day, day after day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
yes, it wasn't the best example to use, and didn't illustrate very well what i was trying to say. the original issue i was addressing was the confusion many of us felt at one time regarding the practice of TM, and that i and many others felt that it was some sort of technique to make us superior and powerful and special. ugh. there was a lot of growing up i had to do after believing that simplistic view of the world. enlightenment has to do much more with integration than it does isolation. that is what i meant to say, and please excuse my implied criticism of you. it had more to do with not having enough time to think through a good example than singling you out. thanks again. I'm down with that. Growing older does have its advantages doesn't it? There is no area of my life where my perspective is not improved by more living. I just recently found out that it was my PARENTS who were PAYING for all those presents I had kissed Santa's ass for all those years! Awkward! You seem to enjoy TM and I can certainly understand that. I have always enjoyed TM whether I do it or not. (That sounds kind of bogus but I mean if I sit to meditate it is as good as it ever was. I just don't think of it's value and meaning the same way.) I appreciate your helping make our conversations enjoyable. These are personal topics about out personal lives, so being sensitive is a big asset so thanks for that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks for the long response ED. Although I don't share the pre-suppositions in your POV I appreciate you sharing them in more detail. That is what makes this place interesting. I do want to answer one part specifically: I don't feel like I have been kicked around by the whims of my mind. i think i recall reading how you were once quite highly placed in the TMO at one time, living quite a different life and path than now. is that indicative of a life of singular focus and stability? I'm not sure how my changing my POV as I grew up in my life has anything to do with the concepts of singular focus or stability. I don't deify either of those concepts in my life except perhaps emotional stability which I have never had a problem with in or out of the movement. I have explored many things in my life, evaluated their usefulness, and as I grew in perspective, kept what was useful and got rid of what was not. From my teenage choices in life, TM went and Delta blues stayed. As Lincoln said when challenged on his changing views: I do not think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday. I have had a singular focus on gaining the truth as best I can in my life. As far as changing point of view as being a sign of a lack of stability goes: I got into TM when I was 16 and stayed with it for 15 years, with about 10 full time. I pursued it fiercely until I got the answers from it I wanted. I enjoyed my time in TM and enjoy my life now even more. Growing up has been good to me. I have learned to be kinder to myself and others. I am still a work in progress. i am not criticizing you, just showing how the whims of your mind have led you all over the place. Referring to my life choices with the pejorative spin that it was due to the whims of my mind IS a criticism. But that's OK. I'm stable enough to handle it! Too much single focus and stability in life sound kind of boring as a guiding principles for my life. I an willing to try new things that shake me up to see if they are useful. I think we are all trying to balance this in our lives and I don't see people through the filter of their mind's whims leading them all over the place. That seems an unkind way to view a person's personal growth. yes, it wasn't the best example to use, and didn't illustrate very well what i was trying to say. the original issue i was addressing was the confusion many of us felt at one time regarding the practice of TM, and that i and many others felt that it was some sort of technique to make us superior and powerful and special. ugh. there was a lot of growing up i had to do after believing that simplistic view of the world. enlightenment has to do much more with integration than it does isolation. that is what i meant to say, and please excuse my implied criticism of you. it had more to do with not having enough time to think through a good example than singling you out. thanks again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A great American Guitarist
And then for those hillbillies on the list . also a Great American Guitarist! Just listen to those chickens! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndiMnwz5XjA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: Not for Hillbillies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVaotTRHExE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@... wrote: Maharishi's statement about Bush disappearing could merely mean that Bush won't be re-elected to a second term, an eventuality that's highly likely to my mind regardless of whether Peace Palaces rise or Peace Cabinets convene. What's more troubling is Maharishi's statement that what happened to Hitler and other invaders was going to happen to the United Stetes. To quote a headline from The Onion, Single Bomb Creates 2,500 Terrorists. *That's* why I wish Maharishi success, however loopy his plans are. Patrick Gillam Thom Krystofiak wrote: Did you all catch this wonderful little prediction Maharishi made in his March 12 Press Conference? When asked How will your second government interface with the Bush Administration...? he replied: Bush as Bush will disappear. There will be no Bush... Bush is specialized as ---warrior--- something. No wars. Nothing. Bush will disappear. Maharishi was right about this: He percieved that the Bush ideas and policies were unsustainable... This is what has happened. All of what Bush did, basically had the effect of collapsing all of Ronald Reagan's philosophy, trickle down 'voodoo economics'... 'The ends justify the means'... And that: 'Government isn't the solution, but government is the problem'. Government isn't the problem, Mr. Reagan...you and your soul brother, Dubya is the problem... Good bye and good riddance. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
(snip) People don't want to go--it's as simple as that. Sal I remember the ME, came before the dome, and the Siddhis. I remember that originally it was taught that we would need 1% of the population practicing TM, would be enough. Then it became 1% of 1% in the Dome, would be enough. My feeling is, that meditating anywhere near Fairfield, would be enough. Maybe I'm wrong, but I still believe that each meditator trascending anywhere, effects the whole consciousness, and that the act of transcending itself and experiencing pure consciousness, enlivens consciousness, everywhere. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Dome vs. home (was Re: spirituality spot found in brain)
Just curious, does Bevan or John ever do program in the Dome? R.G.
