[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Judy get off her high horse??? Never going to happen 
> > Curtis my man. But I admire your continued effort to 
> > have discourse with her being WAAY up there and you 
> > being a lowly blues singer and all...
> 
> I had a good run with this topic so I really can't complain.  
> Too bad I can't prove that Barry wrote the Bible! 

If you could do that I'm pretty sure everyone
here knows that not only would she join you in
ragging on its ideas and their stupidity, she'd 
say it was bad writing. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tiger incident corrected

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" shempmcgurk@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > You've all got it wrong.
> > >
> > > First of all, it wasn't a rifle that felled the great Tiger, it
was
> a
> > > shaft of iron.
> > >
> > > And, secondly, it wasn't Nancy Cooke de Herrera's son, Rick, who
> > > attacked the Tiger but this woman:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---SEE How the tiger fades away
> >
>
 You are looking not into the
eyes of the tiger but at the backs of two lithe models. And the jaw of
the beautiful beast is actually the shapely posterior of a third. The
unique Ð and utterly momentary  work of art was created by
body-painter Craig Tracy at the request of a charity determined to save
the subject of the picture. This year the United Nations has put the
tiger at the top of its list of 'most important' endangered animals to
be saved in 2010

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tiger incident corrected

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" shempmcgurk@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > You've all got it wrong.
> > >
> > > First of all, it wasn't a rifle that felled the great Tiger, it
was
> a
> > > shaft of iron.
> > >
> > > And, secondly, it wasn't Nancy Cooke de Herrera's son, Rick, who
> > > attacked the Tiger but this woman:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---SEE How the tiger fades away
> >
>
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> 
> Judy get off her high horse??? Never going to happen Curtis my man. But I 
> admire your continued effort to have discourse with her being WAAY up there 
> and you being a lowly blues singer and all...

I had a good run with this topic so I really can't complain.  Too bad I can't 
prove that Barry wrote the Bible! 


> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > If you have decided that some scriptures are not the holy
> > > > word of God, and therefore, the ideas in that book should
> > > > be treated like any other human ideas, then you share my
> > > > exact feelings about the Hindu scriptures.  People can
> > > > and do believe what they like.  But if you don't believe
> > > > every religion's scriptures and practice every direct
> > > > command from their word of God, then you have made the
> > > > same choices I have.
> > > 
> > > Speaking for myself, not exactly. I don't believe any of
> > > them, but I haven't made the choice to rant
> > 
> > Pejorative characterization. Are you "ranting" about me?
> > 
> >  about how
> > > "absurd" it is for the folks who do to have "superstitious
> > > tribal beliefs."
> > 
> > So you think female circumcision should be respected as just another belief 
> > option?  You don't think any of the beliefs that relate to honor killing 
> > among tribes in Afghanistan could be characterized this way? 
> > 
> > 
> > < I haven't chosen to declare their beliefs
> > > "bullshit" or "horrific and repugnant"
> > 
> > So you haven't declared it. You still believe that about some of these 
> > beliefs, don't you? 
> > 
> > 
> > < or accuse them of making "absurdly inflated claims.">
> > 
> > So you think it is not absurdly inflated to believe that you know the mind 
> > of God?  OK good for you, I do.  I also believe that people who claim to 
> > know what happens after we die are making absurdly inflated claims.  How 
> > would you characterize people who believe you are going to burn in hell for 
> > eternity for not believing in Jesus as your personal savior?  Is my 
> > characterization to harsh?  How you you prefer to characterize the beliefs 
> > of people who are absolutely sure of that fact?
> > 
> >  I haven't chosen to
> > > announce that society should "denounce" their beliefs.
> > 
> > You have just made different choices where to focus your attention.  You 
> > are just as opposed as I am and western society as a whole to the belief 
> > that blowing yourself up brings an eternal reward. Oh sorry it is the 
> > actions, not the belief.  It is just fine for them to believe that blowing 
> > themselves and innocent people makes one a martyr as long as they don't do 
> > it themselves? So everyone else in that society who condones it are just 
> > fine in their precious religious beliefs, right?  Their belief is no 
> > problem at all.  Same with the people who believe women are less than men 
> > based on their scriptures, those beliefs should not be challenged, right.  
> > We just wait till they beat their women and then go after them for the 
> > their actions?  And racism is cool as a belief too  I suppose as long as 
> > they don't act on it. To each his or her own when it comes to beliefs?  
> > Wrong to denounce beliefs we think are morally repugnant in society?  Not 
> > for me.
> > 
> >  I
> > > don't demean religious people by referring to their
> > > "special books" and "imaginary friends."
> > 
> > But these are precise description.  They are considered special books from 
> > any others men have written.  What exactly is your problem with this 
> > characterizations?  And if you don't believe in any of the versions of God 
> > then they are just as imaginary for you as they are for me.  Just because 
> > you haven't posted on this board about your POV doesn't make you superior.  
> > You don't believe in them either you just don't speak up about it. Your 
> > choice, but you can get off your high horse about it.
> > > 
> > > Not believing in scripture doesn't automatically lead to
> > > those choices.
> > 
> > No you can choose other things to focus on to denounce and to discuss that 
> > you see as injustices or as important to discuss on a spiritual discussion 
> > board.  Including your denunciation of my POV which I have chosen not to 
> > characterize as a rant.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tiger incident corrected

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" shempmcgurk@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You've all got it wrong.
> >
> > First of all, it wasn't a rifle that felled the great Tiger, it was
a
> > shaft of iron.
> >
> > And, secondly, it wasn't Nancy Cooke de Herrera's son, Rick, who
> > attacked the Tiger but this woman:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---SEE How the tiger fades away
>
 

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: New Poll on Fairfield Quiet Zone on Facebook

[Dick Mays]

From: 
To: 
Subject: New Poll on Fairfield Quiet Zone on Facebook
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:08:51 -0600

Dear Friends and Supporters,
I just got this interesting email.  Although I am not on Facebook 
myself, and everyone knows where I stand on this important quality of 
life issue for our community, I recommend that you log in and vote 
(in favor of course).  One of the arguments that will be used as we 
get closer to a final vote on the City Council will certainly be that 
only a few people care about the QZ and it is therefore not 
necessary.  Feel free to forward to friends on Facebook.  We are 
about to present our proposal to the City and need all the support we 
can get.  Regards,  Bill Blackmore



Will Merydith has initiated a poll on his Facebook page "Fairfield, 
Iowa" with 2,200 fans.. Just went up today. Please forward to friends 
on Facebook


Brian

http://www.facebook.com/FairfieldIA

Fairfield, Iowa New Poll: 
Should Fairfield be a Quiet Zone? (check the Poll tab or Poll box on 
the lower left)



Should Fairfield be a Quiet Zone?

Yes 


  63% (15 votes)

No 


  25% (6 votes)

I Don't Know Enough About It 


  13% (3 votes)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tiger incident corrected

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" 
wrote:
>
>
> You've all got it wrong.
>
> First of all, it wasn't a rifle that felled the great Tiger, it was a
> shaft of iron.
>
> And, secondly, it wasn't Nancy Cooke de Herrera's son, Rick, who
> attacked the Tiger but this woman:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---SEE How the tiger fades away 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[Joe]

Judy get off her high horse??? Never going to happen Curtis my man. But I 
admire your continued effort to have discourse with her being WAAY up there and 
you being a lowly blues singer and all...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > If you have decided that some scriptures are not the holy
> > > word of God, and therefore, the ideas in that book should
> > > be treated like any other human ideas, then you share my
> > > exact feelings about the Hindu scriptures.  People can
> > > and do believe what they like.  But if you don't believe
> > > every religion's scriptures and practice every direct
> > > command from their word of God, then you have made the
> > > same choices I have.
> > 
> > Speaking for myself, not exactly. I don't believe any of
> > them, but I haven't made the choice to rant
> 
> Pejorative characterization. Are you "ranting" about me?
> 
>  about how
> > "absurd" it is for the folks who do to have "superstitious
> > tribal beliefs."
> 
> So you think female circumcision should be respected as just another belief 
> option?  You don't think any of the beliefs that relate to honor killing 
> among tribes in Afghanistan could be characterized this way? 
> 
> 
> < I haven't chosen to declare their beliefs
> > "bullshit" or "horrific and repugnant"
> 
> So you haven't declared it. You still believe that about some of these 
> beliefs, don't you? 
> 
> 
> < or accuse them of making "absurdly inflated claims.">
> 
> So you think it is not absurdly inflated to believe that you know the mind of 
> God?  OK good for you, I do.  I also believe that people who claim to know 
> what happens after we die are making absurdly inflated claims.  How would you 
> characterize people who believe you are going to burn in hell for eternity 
> for not believing in Jesus as your personal savior?  Is my characterization 
> to harsh?  How you you prefer to characterize the beliefs of people who are 
> absolutely sure of that fact?
> 
>  I haven't chosen to
> > announce that society should "denounce" their beliefs.
> 
> You have just made different choices where to focus your attention.  You are 
> just as opposed as I am and western society as a whole to the belief that 
> blowing yourself up brings an eternal reward. Oh sorry it is the actions, not 
> the belief.  It is just fine for them to believe that blowing themselves and 
> innocent people makes one a martyr as long as they don't do it themselves? So 
> everyone else in that society who condones it are just fine in their precious 
> religious beliefs, right?  Their belief is no problem at all.  Same with the 
> people who believe women are less than men based on their scriptures, those 
> beliefs should not be challenged, right.  We just wait till they beat their 
> women and then go after them for the their actions?  And racism is cool as a 
> belief too  I suppose as long as they don't act on it. To each his or her own 
> when it comes to beliefs?  Wrong to denounce beliefs we think are morally 
> repugnant in society?  Not for me.
> 
>  I
> > don't demean religious people by referring to their
> > "special books" and "imaginary friends."
> 
> But these are precise description.  They are considered special books from 
> any others men have written.  What exactly is your problem with this 
> characterizations?  And if you don't believe in any of the versions of God 
> then they are just as imaginary for you as they are for me.  Just because you 
> haven't posted on this board about your POV doesn't make you superior.  You 
> don't believe in them either you just don't speak up about it. Your choice, 
> but you can get off your high horse about it.
> > 
> > Not believing in scripture doesn't automatically lead to
> > those choices.
> 
> No you can choose other things to focus on to denounce and to discuss that 
> you see as injustices or as important to discuss on a spiritual discussion 
> board.  Including your denunciation of my POV which I have chosen not to 
> characterize as a rant.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> 
> > If you have decided that some scriptures are not the holy
> > word of God, and therefore, the ideas in that book should
> > be treated like any other human ideas, then you share my
> > exact feelings about the Hindu scriptures.  People can
> > and do believe what they like.  But if you don't believe
> > every religion's scriptures and practice every direct
> > command from their word of God, then you have made the
> > same choices I have.
> 
> Speaking for myself, not exactly. I don't believe any of
> them, but I haven't made the choice to rant

Pejorative characterization. Are you "ranting" about me?

 about how
> "absurd" it is for the folks who do to have "superstitious
> tribal beliefs."

So you think female circumcision should be respected as just another belief 
option?  You don't think any of the beliefs that relate to honor killing among 
tribes in Afghanistan could be characterized this way? 


< I haven't chosen to declare their beliefs
> "bullshit" or "horrific and repugnant"

So you haven't declared it. You still believe that about some of these beliefs, 
don't you? 


< or accuse them of making "absurdly inflated claims.">

So you think it is not absurdly inflated to believe that you know the mind of 
God?  OK good for you, I do.  I also believe that people who claim to know what 
happens after we die are making absurdly inflated claims.  How would you 
characterize people who believe you are going to burn in hell for eternity for 
not believing in Jesus as your personal savior?  Is my characterization to 
harsh?  How you you prefer to characterize the beliefs of people who are 
absolutely sure of that fact?

 I haven't chosen to
> announce that society should "denounce" their beliefs.

You have just made different choices where to focus your attention.  You are 
just as opposed as I am and western society as a whole to the belief that 
blowing yourself up brings an eternal reward. Oh sorry it is the actions, not 
the belief.  It is just fine for them to believe that blowing themselves and 
innocent people makes one a martyr as long as they don't do it themselves? So 
everyone else in that society who condones it are just fine in their precious 
religious beliefs, right?  Their belief is no problem at all.  Same with the 
people who believe women are less than men based on their scriptures, those 
beliefs should not be challenged, right.  We just wait till they beat their 
women and then go after them for the their actions?  And racism is cool as a 
belief too  I suppose as long as they don't act on it. To each his or her own 
when it comes to beliefs?  Wrong to denounce beliefs we think are morally 
repugnant in society?  Not for me.

 I
> don't demean religious people by referring to their
> "special books" and "imaginary friends."

But these are precise description.  They are considered special books from any 
others men have written.  What exactly is your problem with this 
characterizations?  And if you don't believe in any of the versions of God then 
they are just as imaginary for you as they are for me.  Just because you 
haven't posted on this board about your POV doesn't make you superior.  You 
don't believe in them either you just don't speak up about it. Your choice, but 
you can get off your high horse about it.
> 
> Not believing in scripture doesn't automatically lead to
> those choices.

No you can choose other things to focus on to denounce and to discuss that you 
see as injustices or as important to discuss on a spiritual discussion board.  
Including your denunciation of my POV which I have chosen not to characterize 
as a rant.




>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
>
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To quote the great GK Chesterton-
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "When Man ceases to worship God he does not worship
> > > > > > nothing but worships everything".
> > > > >
> > > > > What a fantastic quote!
> > > >
> > > > (Also, it's not actually from Chesterton, but that's
> > > > another story.)
> > > >
> > >
> Seems to be an ambiguous "composed" quotation (pardon: should be
"paraphrasis"- he recasted an  idea/expression  from Chesterton in words
different from that originally Chesterton  used or meant)by
EmileÉmile LeonCammaerts a Belgian poet and translator of some G. K.
Chesterton's work. Discussing „The Oracle of the Dog"
>
> http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/c/chesterton/gk/c52fb/chapter27.html
> 
>
> "The Oracle of the Dog"
>
> Some original quotes by G. K. Chesterton:
>
> `I always like a dog, so long as he isn't spelt backwards.'
> ("The Oracle of the Dog")
>
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Farakahn or Obama

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:38 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> > 
> > Enlighten me. How was the picture photoshopped?  I don't have the 
> > experience, and would like to know.
> 
> I don't know the answer to that, lurk,
> but do you really get your news off the 
> Drudge Report or Fox News?  Color me
> disillusioned.
> 
> Sal
Well, it's one of about five sites I check out including Yahoo News, Google 
News, my local paper, Daily Beast, and a few other internet sources.  I get 
home delivery of The New York Times, and Wall Street Journal. And I generally 
listen to NPR.  So, that is where I gather my news.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Rick Archer wrote:
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Buck
> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:29 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool
> > area of Houston, TX?
> >   
> >> The greater FFL truth about Turq is, he's a CIA operative. A Jason Borne
> >> 
> > James Bond spy. Going to Houston? He posein' as a 'writer' in Spanish resort
> > towns/ Says he got contracts with big company. You bet, Blackwater in
> > Houston. He's clearly a Blackwater man. MMY saw through Turq's soul years
> > ago and squeezed him out then. Uncovered him. Remember MMY talking about
> > CIA? It evidently was Turq and his friends.
> >   
> >
> > Really Turq, who else was CIA? It's been some decades now since the famous
> > Thailand TM course where Maharishi turned out those CIA infiltrators. 
> > The "CIA infiltrator" in Thailand wasn't anything of the sort. He was just
> > an innocent guy on whom Maharishi chose to vent his paranoia. 
> 
> On my TTC I had to go over to the other hotel one day without my buddy 
> (who was sick) and they let me go alone.  On the way back I saw one of 
> the course participants target practicing with a gun from his third 
> story balcony.  He looked concerned because he didn't expect to see 
> anyone else on the course walking back to the hotel at that time.  I 
> probably should have asked the course coordinators why anyone would have 
> a gun on the course. ;-)
>

Was it a handgun the CP was firing ?If so, it was probably Doug Birx, the 
current Sidhis program administrator leading the Invincible America course in 
the men's dome.  :)
Doug supposedly loves handguns and fires them regularly.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[Joe]

Nah, the hate is mostly reserved for Texas trolls with too much time on their 
hands

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:

> > > No, I'm talking about the order of business 
> > > for people who are motivated to do something 
> > > about the suffering and oppression in the 
> > > world...
> > >
> Curtis:
> > I believe in arguing against the whole concept 
> > of "scriptures."  
> > 
> Don't you just hate those religous people, like 
> the Jews, the Christians, Hindus, Muslims and 
> Buddhists.  
> 
> Why are these people allowed to think like that? 
> 
> Anyone who believes things like that should be 
> silenced, put away, or punished. But, the worst 
> are those cultists that believe in that new age 
> spiritual snake-oil. They are criminals! 
> 
> How do they get away with peddling all that 
> superstitious crap? We should do something about 
> these kinds of believers. 
> 
> Gawd, don't you just hate those stupid believers!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge 
wrote:
> > >
> > > In this day and age why would anyone follow a guru?
> > > Enlightenment? Liberation? Burn Karma? Not likely folks,
> > > wake up and smell the chai
> > >
> > > To quote the great GK Chesterton-
> > >
> > > "When Man ceases to worship God he does not worship nothing
> > > but worships everything".
> >
> > What a fantastic quote!
>
> G,K. Chesterton rocks! I was first turned on to him by
> Christians on a Bruce Cockburn mailing list (which kinda
> qualifies them as being a bit Not Yer Ordinary Christians).
> One of them used to sign his posts with a .sig file from
> Chesterton, which knocked my socks off the first time I
> read it and does still today:
>
> "Seriousness is not a virtue."
>
> Chesterton is FUNNY. How many Christian philosophers can
> you say that about? The man had a level of *mirth* about
> him that made his deep faith in Christ and his teachings
> almost lovable.
>
Some original quotes by G. K. Chesterton:

`I always like a dog, so long as he isn't spelt backwards.'
("The Oracle of the Dog")



" The best reason for a revival of philosophy is that unless a man
has a philosophy certain horrible things will happen to him. He will be
practical; he will be progressive; he will cultivate efficiency
…."

"A man who refuses to have his own philosophy will only have the
used-up scraps of somebody else's philosophy(emphasis mine);which the
beasts do not have to inherit; hence their happiness. Men have always
one of two things: either a complete and conscious philosophy or the
unconscious acceptance of the broken bits of some incomplete and
shattered and often discredited philosophy " ["The Revival of
Philosophy,Why?

" The Common Man (1930)"

"..What we need, as the ancients understood, is not a politician who
is a business man, but a king who is a philosopher. .." ibid
The Revival of Philosophy - Why?
http://chesterton.org/gkc/philosopher/revivalpPhilosophy.htm




"The best reason for a revival of philosophy is that unless a man has a
philosophy certain horrible things will happen to him. He will be
practical; he will be progressive; he will cultivate efficiency
…."
The Complete "Father Brown"
http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/c/chesterton/gk/c52fb/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > In this day and age why would anyone follow a guru? Enlightenment?
> Liberation? Burn Karma? Not likely folks, wake up and smell the chai
> > >
> > > To quote the great GK Chesterton-
> > >
> > > "When Man ceases to worship God he does not worship nothing but
> worships everything".
> >
> > What a fantastic quote!
> A pathetic fallacy or anthropomorphic fallacy related to the concept
of
> personification of everything and anything?
The "dignity of plants" and the cruel barbarism of Vegans to a psychotic
extreme


http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit-archive/archives2/018754.php


Do they want us to worry about the souls of asparagus and view human
life as an obnoxious intrusion on an otherwise beautiful Eden?
Is "plant dignity" a symptom of a cultural disease that has infected
Western civilization, causing us to lose the ability to think critically
and distinguish serious from frivolous ethical concerns?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
>
http://thefastertimes.com/india/2010/03/08/sex-and-the-single-swami-why-\
\
> indi
> > > > as-gurus-cant-keep-it-in-their-loincloths/
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India

[merudanda]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > In this day and age why would anyone follow a guru? Enlightenment?
Liberation? Burn Karma? Not likely folks, wake up and smell the chai
> >
> > To quote the great GK Chesterton-
> >
> > "When Man ceases to worship God he does not worship nothing but
worships everything".
>
> What a fantastic quote!
A pathetic fallacy or anthropomorphic fallacy related to the concept of
personification of everything and anything?

>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
http://thefastertimes.com/india/2010/03/08/sex-and-the-single-swami-why-\
indi
> > > as-gurus-cant-keep-it-in-their-loincloths/
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India

[merudanda]

> > > > >
> > > > > To quote the great GK Chesterton-
> > > > >
> > > > > "When Man ceases to worship God he does not worship
> > > > > nothing but worships everything".
> > > >
> > > > What a fantastic quote!
> > >
> > > (Also, it's not actually from Chesterton, but that's
> > > another story.)
> > >
> >
Seems to be an ambiguous "composed" quotation by Émile Leon
Cammaerts  a  Belgian poet and  translator of some G. K. Chesterton's
work.  Discussing „The Oracle of the Dog"

  http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/c/chesterton/gk/c52fb/chapter27.html


"The Oracle of the Dog"

Some original quotes by G. K. Chesterton:

`I always like a dog, so long as he isn't spelt backwards.'
("The Oracle of the Dog")

>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> 
> Denier of what exactly Buck?
> 
> > 
> > Yes, nice writing though it mostly 'sposes' only because it seems it 
> > isn't your experience, like Turq and curtis do here.  You're getting 
> > terribly close to Turq and Curtis writing here in this way.  Least you're 
> > not the outright denier like they are. 
> > 
> > -Buck
> >
>

Om, Let's just take a most recent blaspheme,  
242698.

Non-experience, 

", have led me to NOT
BELIEVE that realizing one's enlightenment
benefits anyone other than the person who is
experiencing it.  As to WHY I believe this, I
have seen no evidence in over forty years that
makes me believe otherwise.  ...
Few (other than Curtis) have ever even *challenged*
this assumption on this forum. The belief in the
supposed "specialness" of the enlightened so permeates
the prevailing dogma-mindset of most spiritual seekers
that they never feel that there is any *need* to
challenge it."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:

> If you have decided that some scriptures are not the holy
> word of God, and therefore, the ideas in that book should
> be treated like any other human ideas, then you share my
> exact feelings about the Hindu scriptures.  People can
> and do believe what they like.  But if you don't believe
> every religion's scriptures and practice every direct
> command from their word of God, then you have made the
> same choices I have.

Speaking for myself, not exactly. I don't believe any of
them, but I haven't made the choice to rant about how
"absurd" it is for the folks who do to have "superstitious
tribal beliefs." I haven't chosen to declare their beliefs
"bullshit" or "horrific and repugnant" or accuse them of making "absurdly 
inflated claims." I haven't chosen to
announce that society should "denounce" their beliefs. I
don't demean religious people by referring to their
"special books" and "imaginary friends."

Not believing in scripture doesn't automatically lead to
those choices.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Farakahn or Obama

[Sal Sunshine]

On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:38 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> 
> Enlighten me. How was the picture photoshopped?  I don't have the experience, 
> and would like to know.

I don't know the answer to that, lurk,
but do you really get your news off the 
Drudge Report or Fox News?  Color me
disillusioned.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Farakahn or Obama

[lurkernomore20002000]

Enlighten me. How was the picture photoshopped?  I don't have the experience, 
and would like to know.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "lurkernomore20002000"
>  wrote:
> >
> > When I first saw this headline pic, I couldn't tell who it was.  Those
> two mics, looked kind of like the trademark Farakohn necktie
> >
> > http://www.drudgereport.com/ 
> >
> 
> You also don't have the experience to see that that photo has been
> photoshopped to make the worst of it. Typical republican smear campaign.
> 
> OffWorld
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:

> Why are these people allowed to think like that? 
> 
> Anyone who believes things like that should be 
> silenced, put away, or punished.


I thought we were beyond this inflammatory bullshit Richard. 

I will respond this way.  Do you believe that the Koran is the holy word of 
God?  Do you make offerings to Greek Gods every day or do you view them as 
myths?  Which ideas believed to be the holy word of God have YOU rejected in 
favor of others.  

If you have decided that some scriptures are not the holy word of God, and 
therefore, the ideas in that book should be treated like any other human ideas, 
then you share my exact feelings about the Hindu scriptures.  People can and do 
believe what they like.  But if you don't believe every religion's scriptures 
and practice every direct command from their word of God, then you have made 
the same choices I have.

>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > > No, I'm talking about the order of business 
> > > for people who are motivated to do something 
> > > about the suffering and oppression in the 
> > > world...
> > >
> Curtis:
> > I believe in arguing against the whole concept 
> > of "scriptures."  
> > 
> Don't you just hate those religous people, like 
> the Jews, the Christians, Hindus, Muslims and 
> Buddhists.  
> 
> Why are these people allowed to think like that? 
> 
> Anyone who believes things like that should be 
> silenced, put away, or punished. But, the worst 
> are those cultists that believe in that new age 
> spiritual snake-oil. They are criminals! 
> 
> How do they get away with peddling all that 
> superstitious crap? We should do something about 
> these kinds of believers. 
> 
> Gawd, don't you just hate those stupid believers!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[WillyTex]

> > No, I'm talking about the order of business 
> > for people who are motivated to do something 
> > about the suffering and oppression in the 
> > world...
> >
Curtis:
> I believe in arguing against the whole concept 
> of "scriptures."  
> 
Don't you just hate those religous people, like 
the Jews, the Christians, Hindus, Muslims and 
Buddhists.  

Why are these people allowed to think like that? 

Anyone who believes things like that should be 
silenced, put away, or punished. But, the worst 
are those cultists that believe in that new age 
spiritual snake-oil. They are criminals! 

How do they get away with peddling all that 
superstitious crap? We should do something about 
these kinds of believers. 

Gawd, don't you just hate those stupid believers! 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Farakahn or Obama

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "lurkernomore20002000"
 wrote:
>
> When I first saw this headline pic, I couldn't tell who it was.  Those
two mics, looked kind of like the trademark Farakohn necktie
>
> http://www.drudgereport.com/ 
>

You also don't have the experience to see that that photo has been
photoshopped to make the worst of it. Typical republican smear campaign.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Farakahn or Obama

[lurkernomore20002000]

When I first saw this headline pic, I couldn't tell who it was.  Those two 
mics, looked kind of like the trademark Farakohn necktie

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mental sinking" and TM

[Vaj]

On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:23 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:

> "PaliGap"  wrote:
> 
> > It seems a desperate thing to post Vaj.
> >
> Yea, what's the point? You don't think you could get someone to relate 
> experiences that would offset anything said by Adam. 


Of course you could. That's what TMers do. They're like the wind-up dolls of 
the meditation world.

Too bad Spare Rag isn't here. He was real easy to get going. And Judy? Well, 
that only takes an email or so every couple of months!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chief Catholic Exorcist : Satan Is in the Vatican

[Vaj]

On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:15 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:

> Funny thing. My wife told me the other day, that the priest at the church she 
> attends said that when Robertson talks about the deal the Haitians made with 
> the devil he is talking about their decision to convert to Catholicism.


Actually they practice a combination of voudoun and Catholicism...not quite the 
same Lurk. Although both cults do produce zombies.

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mental sinking" and TM

[lurkernomore20002000]

> > It seems a desperate thing to post Vaj.
> 
> To you it might, to those who've had the same experience, it might come as a 
> relief to have their experiences verified and explained.
>
You mean in case a new comer just joined or checked in today, or within the 
hour?  Vaj, it seems to me that you make this point one way or another every 
day.

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mental sinking" and TM

[lurkernomore20002000]

 "PaliGap"  wrote:
 
> It seems a desperate thing to post Vaj.
>
Yea, what's the point?  You don't think you could get someone to relate 
experiences that would offset anything said by Adam.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chief Catholic Exorcist : Satan Is in the Vatican

[lurkernomore20002000]

Funny thing. My wife told me the other day, that the priest at the church she 
attends said that when Robertson talks about the deal the Haitians made with 
the devil he is talking about their decision to convert to Catholicism.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> I thought the devil was inhabiting Pat Robertson's body.
> 
> Isn't Pat privy to the deal Satan made with the Haitians 200 years ago?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican
> > From The Times - March 11, 2010
> > Richard Owen in Rome
> > 
> >   [Gabriele Amorth, an exorcist in the diocese of Rome poses in Rome,
> > 2005.]  Giulio Napolitano, AFP / Getty Images Rev. Gabriele Amorth, who
> > served as
> > the Catholic Church's chief exorcist for
> > 25 years, claims the devil has infiltrated
> > the Vatican.
> >  Sex abuse scandals in the Roman Catholic Church are proof that
> > that "the  Devil is at work inside the Vatican", according to the Holy
> > See's chief  exorcist.
> > 
> > Father Gabriele Amorth, 85, who has been the Vatican's chief exorcist
> > for 25  years and says he has dealt with 70,000 cases of demonic
> > possession, said  that the consequences of satanic infiltration included
> > power struggles at  the Vatican as well as "cardinals who do not believe
> > in Jesus, and  bishops who are linked to the Demon".
> > 
> > He added: "When one speaks of 'the smoke of Satan' [a phrase coined by 
> > Pope Paul VI in 1972] in the holy rooms, it is all true – including
> > these  latest stories of violence and paedophilia."
> > 
> > He claimed that another example of satanic behaviour was the Vatican
> > "cover-up"  over the deaths in 1998 of Alois Estermann, the then
> > commander of the Swiss  Guard, his wife and Corporal Cedric Tornay, a
> > Swiss Guard, who were all  found shot dead. "They covered up everything
> > immediately," he  said. "Here one sees the rot".
> > 
> > A remarkably swift Vatican investigation concluded that Corporal Tornay
> > had  shot the commander and his wife and then turned his gun on himself
> > after  being passed over for a medal. However Tornay's relatives have
> > challenged  this. There have been unconfirmed reports of a homosexual
> > background to the  tragedy and the involvement of a fourth person who
> > was never identfied.
> > 
> > Father Amorth, who has just published Memoirs of an Exorcist, a series 
> > of interviews with the Vatican journalist Marco Tosatti, said that the 
> > attempt on the life of Pope John Paul II in 1981 had been the work of
> > the  Devil, as had an incident last Christmas when a mentally disturbed
> > woman  threw herself at Pope Benedict XVI at the start of Midnight Mass,
> > pulling  him to the ground.
> > 
> > Father José Antonio Fortea Cucurull, a Rome-based exorcist, said that
> > Father  Amorth had "gone well beyond the evidence" in claiming that
> > Satan  had infiltrated the Vatican corridors.
> > 
> > "Cardinals might be better or worse, but all have upright intentions and
> > seek the glory of God," he said. Some Vatican officials were more pious 
> > than others, "but from there to affirm that some cardinals are members 
> > of satanic sects is an unacceptable distance."
> > 
> > Father Amorth told La Repubblica that the devil was "pure spirit, 
> > invisible. But he manifests himself with blasphemies and afflictions in
> > the  person he possesses. He can remain hidden, or speak in different
> > languages,  transform himself or appear to be agreeable. At times he
> > makes fun of me."
> > 
> > He said it sometimes took six or seven of his assistants to to hold down
> > a  possessed person. Those possessed often yelled and screamed and spat
> > out  nails or pieces of glass, which he kept in a bag. "Anything can
> > come  out of their mouths – finger-length pieces of iron, but also
> > rose petals."
> > 
> > He said that he hoped every diocese would eventually have a resident
> > exorcist.  Under Church Canon Law any priest can perform exorcisms, but
> > in practice  they are carried out by a chosen few trained in the rites.
> > 
> > Father Amorth was ordained in 1954 and became an official exorcist in
> > 1986. In  the past he has suggested that Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin
> > were possessed  by the Devil. He was among Vatican officials who warned
> > that J. K. Rowling's  Harry Potter novels made a "false distinction
> > between black and white  magic".
> > 
> > He approves, however, of the 1973 film The Exorcist, which although
> > "exaggerated"  offered a "substantially exact" picture of possession.
> > 
> > In 2001 he objected to the introduction of a new version of the exorcism
> > rite,  complaining that it dropped centuries-old prayers and was "a
> > blunt sword"  about which exorcists themselves had not been consulted.
> > The Vatican said  later that he and other exorcists could continue to
> > use the old ritual

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[lurkernomore20002000]

Chickens! You guys waited till Nabby posted out for the week, before  you 
broached this subject.  You know he is going to be after you about this.  Just 
wait till tomorrow at high noon, or whenever the week resets. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> Shit Barry, they're on to us! We better meet back at HQ and figure out new 
> covers.
> Hey, it was fun while it lasted. That little scheme of ours to turn the TMO 
> into a goofy cult with Plan 9 costumes, Rajas and a pretend King worked like 
> a charm, eh? We managed to bring a booming program to its knees in just over 
> 20 years.
> 
> Not bad. Where to next buddy? Wanna take on the Mormons?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > TurquoiseB:
> > > > OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
> > > > travelers or even...gulp!...Texans.
> > > > 
> > > > I have to spend several nights in...gulp!...Houston,
> > > > Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
> > > > through on the Interstate.
> > > > 
> > > > If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
> > > > Houston. 
> > > > 
> > > > IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
> > > > stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
> > > > walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
> > > > bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
> > > > to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
> > > > please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
> > > > Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
> > > > hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
> > > > in the worst part of town.  :-)
> > > >
> > > There's a Motel 6 out on Highway 290 West. It's in
> > > the best part of town, in other words, out of town.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > The greater FFL truth about Turq is, he's a CIA operative.  A Jason Borne 
> > James Bond spy.  Going to Houston?  He posein' as a 'writer' in Spanish 
> > resort towns/  Says he got contracts with big company.  You bet, Blackwater 
> > in Houston.  He's clearly a Blackwater man.  MMY saw through Turq's soul 
> > years ago and squeezed him out then. Uncovered him.  Remember MMY talking 
> > about CIA?  It evidently was Turq and his friends.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> So much idiocy and suffering over the centuries,
> just because humans can't deal with the concept
> of "eternal." 

At least you made it through it.  I thought it was going to be a parody, but 
then he kept droning on. 







His entire theory depends upon 
> there being not only a made-up thing called "God," 
> but a made-up thing called "the beginning." 
> 
> If one merely postulates an eternal universe,
> one without beginning or end, then there is no
> need for a "creation," and no need for a 
> "Creator." 
> 
> The entire need for "God" seems to come down to
> humans being unable to keep from projecting the
> it-began-and-someday-it-must-end-ness of their 
> own puny lives onto the universe. 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > > > > "When Man ceases to worship God he does not worship
> > > > > > nothing but worships everything".
> > > > > 
> > > > > What a fantastic quote!
> > > >
> > > 
> > > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote: 
> > > > You do realize the quote is not recommending that one
> > > > stop worshiping God, but rather the opposite, right?--- In 
> > > 
> > > I didn't have any context for the intention of the author but found it 
> > > fit my experience of dropping theism pretty well. I guess I had it all 
> > > wrong. Doing a bit of research and finding this version: "The first 
> > > effect of not believing in God is to believe in anything."
> > > 
> > > I disagree with this statement and will have to do a bit more digging to 
> > > see what was meant.  I don't see how seeing God as a man made myth makes 
> > > you more gullible, it made me less.
> > > 
> > > What I found appealing in my mistaken impression of the first quote was 
> > > that appreciating the world more was one of the results of me dropping 
> > > out of theism.  Life itself became holy in a naturalistic sense of the 
> > > word.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In this day and age why would anyone follow a guru? 
> > > > > > Enlightenment? Liberation? Burn Karma? Not likely folks,
> > > > > > wake up and smell the chai
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > To quote the great GK Chesterton-
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "When Man ceases to worship God he does not worship
> > > > > > nothing but worships everything".
> > > > > 
> > > > > What a fantastic quote!
> > > > 
> > > > You do realize the quote is not recommending that one
> > > > stop worshiping God, but rather the opposite, right?
> > > > 
> > > > (Also, it's not actually from Chesterton, but that's 
> > > > another story.)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chief Catholic Exorcist : Satan Is in the Vatican

[lurkernomore20002000]

An important lesson to remember during this subprime mess.  There was an
article about the person who did not pay their exorcist, and they were
repossessed.

Just sayin.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
>
> Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican
> From The Times - March 11, 2010
> Richard Owen in Rome
>
> [Gabriele Amorth, an exorcist in the diocese of Rome poses in Rome,
> 2005.] Giulio Napolitano, AFP / Getty Images Rev. Gabriele Amorth, who
> served as
> the Catholic Church's chief exorcist for
> 25 years, claims the devil has infiltrated
> the Vatican.
> Sex abuse scandals in the Roman Catholic Church are proof that
> that "the Devil is at work inside the Vatican", according to the Holy
> See's chief exorcist.
>
> Father Gabriele Amorth, 85, who has been the Vatican's chief exorcist
> for 25 years and says he has dealt with 70,000 cases of demonic
> possession, said that the consequences of satanic infiltration
included
> power struggles at the Vatican as well as "cardinals who do not
believe
> in Jesus, and bishops who are linked to the Demon".
>
> He added: "When one speaks of 'the smoke of Satan' [a phrase coined by
> Pope Paul VI in 1972] in the holy rooms, it is all true –
including
> these latest stories of violence and paedophilia."
>
> He claimed that another example of satanic behaviour was the Vatican
> "cover-up" over the deaths in 1998 of Alois Estermann, the then
> commander of the Swiss Guard, his wife and Corporal Cedric Tornay, a
> Swiss Guard, who were all found shot dead. "They covered up everything
> immediately," he said. "Here one sees the rot".
>
> A remarkably swift Vatican investigation concluded that Corporal
Tornay
> had shot the commander and his wife and then turned his gun on himself
> after being passed over for a medal. However Tornay's relatives have
> challenged this. There have been unconfirmed reports of a homosexual
> background to the tragedy and the involvement of a fourth person who
> was never identfied.
>
> Father Amorth, who has just published Memoirs of an Exorcist, a series
> of interviews with the Vatican journalist Marco Tosatti, said that the
> attempt on the life of Pope John Paul II in 1981 had been the work of
> the Devil, as had an incident last Christmas when a mentally disturbed
> woman threw herself at Pope Benedict XVI at the start of Midnight
Mass,
> pulling him to the ground.
>
> Father José Antonio Fortea Cucurull, a Rome-based exorcist, said
that
> Father Amorth had "gone well beyond the evidence" in claiming that
> Satan had infiltrated the Vatican corridors.
>
> "Cardinals might be better or worse, but all have upright intentions
and
> seek the glory of God," he said. Some Vatican officials were more
pious
> than others, "but from there to affirm that some cardinals are members
> of satanic sects is an unacceptable distance."
>
> Father Amorth told La Repubblica that the devil was "pure spirit,
> invisible. But he manifests himself with blasphemies and afflictions
in
> the person he possesses. He can remain hidden, or speak in different
> languages, transform himself or appear to be agreeable. At times he
> makes fun of me."
>
> He said it sometimes took six or seven of his assistants to to hold
down
> a possessed person. Those possessed often yelled and screamed and spat
> out nails or pieces of glass, which he kept in a bag. "Anything can
> come out of their mouths – finger-length pieces of iron, but also
> rose petals."
>
> He said that he hoped every diocese would eventually have a resident
> exorcist. Under Church Canon Law any priest can perform exorcisms, but
> in practice they are carried out by a chosen few trained in the rites.
>
> Father Amorth was ordained in 1954 and became an official exorcist in
> 1986. In the past he has suggested that Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin
> were possessed by the Devil. He was among Vatican officials who warned
> that J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter novels made a "false distinction
> between black and white magic".
>
> He approves, however, of the 1973 film The Exorcist, which although
> "exaggerated" offered a "substantially exact" picture of possession.
>
> In 2001 he objected to the introduction of a new version of the
exorcism
> rite, complaining that it dropped centuries-old prayers and was "a
> blunt sword" about which exorcists themselves had not been consulted.
> The Vatican said later that he and other exorcists could continue to
> use the old ritual.
>
> He is the president of honour of the Association of Exorcists.
>
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7056689.ece
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mental sinking" and TM

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:
>> It's the post effect that can differ. Remember that 
>> TM claimed "increased energy" and I don't think a guru would giving 
>> mantras that "increase energy" to people who needed to calm down.
>> 
>
>
> Increased energy? More like deception of the difference between tension and 
> relaxation. You CAN fool some of the people some of the time.

Agni mantras stimulate.  Maybe that's why MAPI sells a lot of vata 
products.  Without getting into details TM tends to go from stimulating 
to calming in its methods (read between the lines).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count

[Sal Sunshine]

On Mar 11, 2010, at 6:15 PM, FFL PostCount wrote:

> Fairfield Life Post Counter
> ===
> Start Date (UTC): Sat Mar 06 00:00:00 2010
> End Date (UTC): Sat Mar 13 00:00:00 2010
> 546 messages as of (UTC) Thu Mar 11 23:48:32 2010
> 
> 52 nablusoss1008 

Oh, dear... :)

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
>
> 52 nablusoss1008 

No more Nabulation until Friday the 19th.

[FairfieldLife] Post Count

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[FairfieldLife] World's most dangerous country?

[peterklutz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoZXMIodb2k

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mental sinking" and TM

[Vaj]

On Mar 11, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

> I'll take mantra meditation over that any day. The resonances of the 
> mantra create the transcendence. I tried some of these things before I 
> learned TM and they didn't have much effect and I'm someone who even 
> before that had the kundalini rise the first time I tried meditation 
> with a mantra from a book.

Well one of the things you do is do the mantra, at that spot.

Very fast, very balanced rising. Esp. if you know how to do it 'at the wedding 
of the sun and moon.' Even a neuroscientist would appreciate that.

In Vedanta they do the "so-hum" as the subtle sound of the breath merging into 
unity. Other paths have their way of doing the same thing. But really it's just 
about taking ownership of your own nervous system, rather then being a hapless 
slave to it.

> As for the "mental sinking" or what yogi would call "deep meditation" 
> most mantra meditations even with stimulating mantras will produce that 
> effect (calming).

Mental sinking is where attentional balance looses it's balance. It's still 
focused, but it's not focussed with clarity. A "fuzzy" object. IMO this is 
because of the 'effort-o-phobia' that has become a negative conditioning in 
some TMers and institutionalized in the TMO. It's their "false god".

> It's the post effect that can differ. Remember that 
> TM claimed "increased energy" and I don't think a guru would giving 
> mantras that "increase energy" to people who needed to calm down.


Increased energy? More like deception of the difference between tension and 
relaxation. You CAN fool some of the people some of the time.

[FairfieldLife] The perversion of Knowledge

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyPJaxF1S4w&feature=channel

The Heros of Maharshi;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sBK1zg6cEo&feature=channel

What do you think about this, any ideas ? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI_F9n_c4yY&NR=1

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mental sinking" and TM

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, cardemaister wrote:
>
>   
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>> 
>>> If people want a simple meditation that will enable them to develop 
>>> and maintain peace of mind I would recommend that they try to attend 
>>> introductory classes on Buddhist meditation which will introduce them 
>>> to breathing meditation as taught in most traditions of Buddhism.
>>>
>>>   
>> Does that type of meditation eventually "produce" the fourth
>> praaNaayaama? For me that's about the only objective indication
>> of whether a meditation technique is effective or not. YMMV, of course!
>> 
>
>
> In the oral tradition of Patanjali it is taught that the finest meditation is 
> meditation on the patch of skin between the nostrils. It is believed that 
> dhyana on this spot is the quickest way to access the avadhuti or sushumna 
> (but there are even faster ways).
>
> This is identical to vipassana. In fact that etymology of the word is said to 
> conceal this secret. In Pali it is called AnApAna-sati, in Sanskrit 
> prAnApAna-smRti).
>   

I'll take mantra meditation over that any day.  The resonances of the 
mantra create the transcendence.  I tried some of these things before I 
learned TM and they didn't have much effect and I'm someone who even 
before that had the kundalini rise the first time I tried meditation 
with a mantra from a book.

As for the "mental sinking" or what yogi would call "deep meditation" 
most mantra meditations even with stimulating mantras will produce that 
effect (calming).  It's the post effect that can differ.  Remember that 
TM claimed "increased energy" and I don't think a guru would giving 
mantras that "increase energy" to people who needed to calm down.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[curtisdeltablues]

 >  wrote:
snip

> 

> > Since I don't portray everyone who shares a specific
> > religious heritage as bad guys it doesn't apply to me.
> > But I can think that they are wrong about what they are
> > asserting or that there is little evidence for fantastic
> > claims.  And that the people who make less fantastic 
> > claims are shielding the ones who do while still
> > maintaining the absurd premise that they have a unique
> > insight into the mind of the creator of the universe and
> > his desires concerning this world.
> 
> Yeah, that's the latest antireligion talking point,
> that moderate religionists are equally as dangerous
> as fundamentalists because by being moderate, they
> "shield" the fundamentalists.

I object to the use of the term talking point.  I learned this concept from Sam 
Harris and agree with him.  It is not a talking point and there is not 
organized group giving out talking points.  This just spin to frame the idea in 
a diminished context.  I'm sure you wouldn't like every idea you use from 
Maharishi ti be referred to this way as if some organization if feeding you 
ideas.

> 
> I think that's a crock and a half. It sounds to me
> as though the antireligionists are pissed off at the
> moderate religionists because they aren't as easy to
> mock and challenge. So the antis have dreamed a basis
> for attacking moderates for being *more rational*.

I think you are missing the point.  The intellectual question is where do we 
draw our lines?  Once you believe that a single book has been dictated by or 
accurately represents the mind of the creator you are over the line of want I 
find reasonable.  And the phrase more rational is exactly the point.  I agree 
that they are being more rational but they are not being rational enough if 
they still believe that they have an insight into ultimate reality because of 
their special book. Moderates have many irrational notions but because they 
don't hold some of the most offensive ones they are not challenged.  But once 
you say the Bible is the word of God, even if you interpret it more liberally 
and less liberally you enable the person who says God hates gay people.  The 
first epistemological step is the big one.

> 
> I repeat, the militant antireligionists seem to me
> just as fundamentalist and absolutist as the most
> fundamentalist religionist. The antis simply don't
> think anybody should be allowed to have any religious
> beliefs whatsoever.

"Allowed?"  I have never seen anything like this in any promoter of non 
religious ideas myself.  Intellectually challenging the basis for a person's 
assertions is a long way from asserting that you now the mind of God.  Not all 
non religious people are anti religious.  Religion covers a lot of ideas, some 
of which are part of our society and should be valued.  It is the authority of 
their ideas, that they are somehow different from anyone's because they are 
sanctioned by God that should be challenged IMO.

> 
> You said something revealing in a previous post, that
> we have "erred on the side of" not suppressing religion
> and of not being uncivil to religionists.
> 
> I commented that I hoped "erred" was just a figure of
> speech, but I'm not entirely sure it is. I think the
> antis really do believe deep down that it's a mistake to
> allow religion to exist and to treat religionists with
> civility.

I can't speak for other people.  This is not my view on the surface or deep 
down.  I have my own conviction and believe I am right.  But I am not claiming 
that I am absolutely right or that I know the mind of God.

> 
> It's particularly ironic on this forum, where a
> defense of one's spiritual views is constantly attacked
> as being intolerant of other spiritual views, but
> intolerance of *all* religious views--even beliefs that
> can't be shown to result in bad behavior--is considered
> perfectly fine.

Am I right in thinking this is addressed to someone else?

> 
> I just don't think that's rational, and I think it's
> potentially dangerous. There needs to be a middle ground.
> (Fortunately there are far more religionists than antis
> in this country, so we probably don't have to be 
> concerned about anything worse than incivility from the
> antis.)

I really don't consider you a "religionist."  I agree that religious believer 
are in the majority.  But often the version is so watered down it isn't more 
than a cluster of beliefs brought out during stressful times.  As a person 
willing to let people know I am not a believer in some contexts I am surprised 
how many people will express their religious doubts to me like some sort of 
atheist confession.  People are often not as deeply religious as they will 
posture in public. I consider that progress.

> 
> > > > > > If a person today claims the holocaust never happened
> > > > > > we challenge the idea with facts.  If people claim
> > > > > > Jesus rose from the dead we have a right to say "what
> > > > > > is your proof?"
> > > 

[FairfieldLife] What we will do

[nablusoss1008]

"We are going to create a society free from suffering and strain and that 
really the gift of God on Earth will be enjoyed by everyone."

Jai Guru dev

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK1kbJiisLk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbX5eNAbpeo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPVr7MilE18&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnp5tJe7rZs&feature=channel



Scientists Once Rolled Out the Red Carpet of Destruction; Maharishi on 
conciousness and Ronald Regan. A message for all Americans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkC9IusniMw


Maharishi, can you explain the paradox of Self-sufficiency?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViZXb5r8gaA&feature=channel

(Maharishi in Washington DC, 1984)



Maharishi; is it Nature's plan for man to suffer ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyPJaxF1S4w&feature=channel

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[Joe]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Rick Archer wrote:
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Buck
> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:29 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool
> > area of Houston, TX?
> >   
> >> The greater FFL truth about Turq is, he's a CIA operative. A Jason Borne
> >> 
> > James Bond spy. Going to Houston? He posein' as a 'writer' in Spanish resort
> > towns/ Says he got contracts with big company. You bet, Blackwater in
> > Houston. He's clearly a Blackwater man. MMY saw through Turq's soul years
> > ago and squeezed him out then. Uncovered him. Remember MMY talking about
> > CIA? It evidently was Turq and his friends.
> >   
> >
> > Really Turq, who else was CIA? It's been some decades now since the famous
> > Thailand TM course where Maharishi turned out those CIA infiltrators. 
> > The "CIA infiltrator" in Thailand wasn't anything of the sort. He was just
> > an innocent guy on whom Maharishi chose to vent his paranoia. 
> 
> On my TTC I had to go over to the other hotel one day without my buddy 
> (who was sick) and they let me go alone.  On the way back I saw one of 
> the course participants target practicing with a gun from his third 
> story balcony.  He looked concerned because he didn't expect to see 
> anyone else on the course walking back to the hotel at that time.  I 
> probably should have asked the course coordinators why anyone would have 
> a gun on the course. ;-)
>
Really. And this target practice was going on while others were doing their 
program? No one else noticed that they were transcending in a hail of gunfire? 
You sure about this?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mental sinking" and TM

[Vaj]

On Mar 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, cardemaister wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> 
> > If people want a simple meditation that will enable them to develop 
> > and maintain peace of mind I would recommend that they try to attend 
> > introductory classes on Buddhist meditation which will introduce them 
> > to breathing meditation as taught in most traditions of Buddhism.
> >
> 
> Does that type of meditation eventually "produce" the fourth
> praaNaayaama? For me that's about the only objective indication
> of whether a meditation technique is effective or not. YMMV, of course!


In the oral tradition of Patanjali it is taught that the finest meditation is 
meditation on the patch of skin between the nostrils. It is believed that 
dhyana on this spot is the quickest way to access the avadhuti or sushumna (but 
there are even faster ways).

This is identical to vipassana. In fact that etymology of the word is said to 
conceal this secret. In Pali it is called AnApAna-sati, in Sanskrit 
prAnApAna-smRti).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[WillyTex]

> > Is this what it's like in good 'ole US of A?
> >
Sal:
> ...she has gone from being a nominal Democrat 
> to being intolerant of *everything* to the left 
> of Mein Kampf.
> 
Don't you just hate that liar Obama when he goes 
to his Christian church and gets down on his knees 
to pray to his damned God - Jesus Christ, the Jew!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[WillyTex]

Curtis:
> It is still taboo here to go after a politician's 
> religion even though it is only recently that Mormons 
> gave up a doctrinal commitment to racism...
>
Don't you just hate those Mormons!
 
"It astounds me that any intelligent adult human being 
could buy the secret handshake thing - or the ritual..."

From: John Manning
Subject: Question for Mormons
Newsgroups: alt.religion.mormon
Date: 2003-12-13 14:05:05 PST

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> Can you spell "yagya," Curtis? :)

Although I am skeptical about yagyas I have to admit that when I went to wash 
out my bowl of pasta the other night, the pesto sauce had formed an undeniable 
face.  Unfortunately for me it was not the face of Jesus or the Virgin Mother 
but of a guy named Harry Finklestein who is a mediocre accountant I met once.  
I was thinking it might be a sign to have him do my taxes but he got a poor 
recommendation from the guy who used him last.  Why can't my food delivered 
revelations cure people's diseases or let me at least sell them on Ebay?  I 
tried to sell the bowl to Harry's wife but she told me "What like I need to see 
Harry's face in pesto?  I already got too much of the real thing every night."  
I had to admit she had a point. 


>
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 1:27 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> 
> > I AM in favor of challenging the content of religious claims just as we 
> > have successfully done with witchcraft with has fallen out of favor in 
> > society as a serious intellectual option. (I am also not in favor of the 
> > prejudice shown to followers of WICCA since I consider their beliefs to be 
> > on the same level of any other religion.) I am talking about spell casting 
> > which used to be very popular and is now seen as an unlikely model for how 
> > the world really works.
> 
> Can you spell "yagya," Curtis? :)
> 
> Also, just got this little gem the other day...
> 
> You are receiving this offer as an Aish.com subscriber. 
> These advertisements help Aish.com provide you with meaningful, quality 
> content.
> 
> 
> 
> Don't all rush to join up...
> Sal
>

[FairfieldLife] The next wave

[nablusoss1008]

"Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism"

- His Holines Maharishi Yogi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK1kbJiisLk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P03nNeYiJo&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[curtisdeltablues]

Turq answered this and hit many good points.  It is still taboo here to go 
after a politician's religion even though it is only recently that Mormons gave 
up a doctrinal commitment to racism.  I agree that our secular society has 
spoken up about the worst abuses of religion.  I would just like to see more of 
an intellectual climate where some of the assumptive claims of religion are 
denounced as we have shifted our views on many ideas in our culture. I would 
like to see it as acceptable to openly refer to the Christian myth as we do 
other culture's myths.  We have a blind spot about our own culture's myth 
choices and see other culture's clearly as made up ideas that are not divinely 
inspired.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:

> We're already there aren't we? Limited of course by good
> manners and a willingness to respect others' right to their
> own opinions.

Society is very intolerant towards non believers. I am happy to see small 
progress in this area.  But we have a double standard concerning religions. We 
are comfortable as a culture goofing on the 72 virgins fantasy but not the 
concept of heaven itself which rest on the very same shaky pillars.

> 
> And limited most of all by epistemological humility! "Scientism"
> is just another form of doctrinal barbarism, no?

I guess it could be applied that way.  I'm a fan of the method despite how 
humans sometimes apply it. I do not believe that it is the only way to "know" 
things.  Most of what I value in my own life lies beyond science's interests.




snip
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
>  [snip] 
> 
> > I AM in favor of challenging the content of religious 
> > claims just as we have successfully done with
> > witchcraft with has fallen out of favor in society as 
> > a serious intellectual option.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Religious ideas have gotten a pass not given any other
> > ideas in our culture.  It is the only area of
> > knowledge where you can claim that you just believe with
> > no evidence and that view is taken as seriously as if
> > you had good evidence for a belief.
> 
> I can't see where you're coming from on this. What is this 
> "pass" religious ideas are getting? Religious ideas are being 
> heavily criticised all the time. Almost anything goes (except 
> in recent times some special treatment towards Muslims 
> arguably).
> 
> > This has been shifting in some societies from putting
> > people to death for heresy to being able to have the
> > right to voice challenges to religious claims.  I am
> > in favor of this right.  
> 
> And we have all had that right for yonks, no? (in the West).
> 
> [snip]
> > I am saying we can do even better in our culture to
> > expand our intellectual freedom to discuss and challenge 
> > religious claims without people immediately assuming you
> > are advocating suppression or being uncivil for doing so.
> 
> We're already there aren't we? Limited of course by good
> manners and a willingness to respect others' right to their
> own opinions.
> 
> And limited most of all by epistemological humility! "Scientism"
> is just another form of doctrinal barbarism, no?
> 
> > No one gets offended if you say swinging a dead cat
> > around in a sack in a graveyard at midnight will NOT 
> > effect some change in the physical world. Yet if you
> > propose that perhaps the Eucharist in a Catholic mass is 
> > NOT physically transforming in any real way, you
> > are considered out of line and it is socially
> > unacceptable to challenge that belief.
> 
> I don't live in your world! Is this what it's like in good 
> 'ole US of A?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Tweetsii for your iPhone?

[It's just a ride]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:37 AM, cardemaister wrote:

>
> http://www.tweetsii.com/info/index.html
>
>
>
Tweet:  I'm in the Dome.
Tweet:  I'm still in the Dome.
Tweet:  I fell asleep.
Tweet:  The guy next to me is snoring and disturbing my 14 hour long
program.
Tweet:  I have my eyes closed.
Tweet:  I still have my eyes closed.
Tweet:  I'm lying down listening to the sutras.
Tweet:  Fey Bevin is droning on and on.
Tweet:  Why don't Purusha and Mother Divine #1 experiences never seem
authentics?
Tweet:  I'm in the Dome.
Tweet:  I'm still in the Dome.
Tweet:  I fell asleep.
Tweet:  The guy next to me is snoring and disturbing my 14 hour long
program.
Tweet:  I have my eyes closed.
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Tweet:  I'm lying down listening to the sutras.
Tweet:  I'm in the Dome.
Tweet:  I'm still in the Dome.
Tweet:  I fell asleep.
Tweet:  The guy next to me is snoring and disturbing my 14 hour long
program.
Tweet:  I have my eyes closed.
Tweet:  I still have my eyes closed.
Tweet:  I'm lying down listening to the sutras.
Tweet:  I'm in the Dome.
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Tweet:  I fell asleep.
Tweet:  The guy next to me is snoring and disturbing my 14 hour long
program.
Tweet:  I have my eyes closed.
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Tweet:  I'm lying down listening to the sutras.
Tweet:  I'm in the Dome.
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Tweet:  The guy next to me is snoring and disturbing my 14 hour long
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Tweet:  I have my eyes closed.
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Tweet:  I'm lying down listening to the sutras.



-- 
Why don't you ever see the headline 'Psychic Wins  Lottery'?

[FairfieldLife] The lesson of a Devotee

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK1kbJiisLk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU5zT1r5Fk8

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[Sal Sunshine]

On Mar 11, 2010, at 2:36 PM, PaliGap wrote:
>> 
>> Yet if you
>> propose that perhaps the Eucharist in a Catholic mass is 
>> NOT physically transforming in any real way, you
>> are considered out of line and it is socially
>> unacceptable to challenge that belief.
> 
> I don't live in your world! Is this what it's like in good 
> 'ole US of A?

To a certain extent, yes, at least amongst those 
who shield themselves from most criticism by calling
themselves "religious."  Or spiritual.  Judy's giving
an admirable example of that kind of intolerance
during this whole discussion .  Apparently Obama's
defeat of Hillary and then McCain has so unhinged 
her she has gone from being a nominal Democrat
to being intolerant of *everything* to the left of
Mein Kampf.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Howard Stern talking about TM yesterday

[Joe]

Actually Howard was doing the girl a lot more good than the folks who ignore 
the, er, "elephant in the room", and that is the simple fact that Gobourey's 
weight is going to kill her if she doesn't get some help.

Obesity in this country remains the biggest single cause of health problems. We 
need more attention called to it, not less.

Sure, he picked on her in his usual manner, but the point is, she is so obese 
she is unhealthy. For crying out loud, she couldn't even sit in the normal 
chairs provided at the Oscarsshe had to sit in a special seat at the end of 
the aisle.




 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
> >
> > From: Ken Chawkin 
> > 
> > Passing this on to you. It was sent to me from a friend. His comments.
> > Download File. Only available till the end of the week.
> > 
> > 
> > This audio recording is of a section of yesterday morning's Howard Stern
> > show in which he talked about TM - influential and amusing!!
> > 
> > Thought you might find this amusing.  It caused a big increase in contacts
> > to our call center.  95% is Howard joking about his mother bugging him about
> > whether he meditates or not; then Robin talks about Carl Rove and Tiger
> > Woods, and then the last 30 seconds are the great plug.  What a goof ball.
> >
> 
> 
> This can be a companion piece to Howard's rant about Gabourey Sidibe, also 
> from this past week:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVzv-SmPtbU
> 
> Sweet guy, that Howard.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mental sinking" and TM

[Vaj]

On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:57 PM, cardemaister wrote:

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> 
> > If people want a simple meditation that will enable them to develop 
> > and maintain peace of mind I would recommend that they try to attend 
> > introductory classes on Buddhist meditation which will introduce them 
> > to breathing meditation as taught in most traditions of Buddhism.
> >
> 
> Does that type of meditation eventually "produce" the fourth
> praaNaayaama? For me that's about the only objective indication
> of whether a meditation technique is effective or not. YMMV, of course!


The fourth pranayama is produced by mastering kumbhaka and meditation.

Are you claiming to have experienced the fourth pranayama Card?

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?

[Joe]

Denier of what exactly Buck?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> Yes, nice writing though it mostly 'sposes' only because it seems it 
> isn't your experience, like Turq and curtis do here.  You're getting terribly 
> close to Turq and Curtis writing here in this way.  Least you're not the 
> outright denier like they are. 
> 
> -Buck
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mental sinking" and TM

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>

> If people want a simple meditation that will enable them to develop  
> and maintain peace of mind I would recommend that they try to attend  
> introductory classes on Buddhist meditation which will introduce them  
> to breathing meditation as taught in most traditions of Buddhism.
>

Does that type of meditation eventually "produce" the fourth
praaNaayaama? For me that's about the only objective indication
of whether a meditation technique is effective or not. YMMV, of course!

harih om || hetudvayaM hi cittasya vaasanaa ca samiiraNah |. tayorvinaSTa 
ekasmiMstaddvaavapi vinasyatah || 1||. *tayoraadau ***samiirasya jayaM*** 
kuryaan narah sadaa* | 

- Yoga-kuNDalyupaniSat

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > 
> > "You said something revealing in a previous post, that
> > we have "erred on the side of" not suppressing religion
> > and of not being uncivil to religionists."
> > 
> > First I was just pissed when I read this since it is not what I meant.  But 
> > then I found the quote and understand why you thought this:
> > 
> > Me
> > > > So I believe that we have erred on the side of allowing
> > > > unchallenged beliefs about how life works rather than
> > > > suppressing them or acting uncivilly to religious people
> > > > in this country in the last few decades.
> > 
> > You
> > > "Erred"? My goodness, I hope that's a figure of
> > > speech.
> > 
> > Poorly written and not what I intended.
> 
> Curtis, I know what you intended to say. In the figure-
> of-speech sense, we often use "erred on the side of" when
> the "error" is clearly a positive, which is the way you
> used it. There wasn't anything wrong with the way you
> wrote it.

Then why would you write this which was not what I meant?

> > "You said something revealing in a previous post, that
> > we have "erred on the side of" not suppressing religion
> > and of not being uncivil to religionists."
> > 

We erred in the opposite side of allowing unchallenged beliefs.  Do you believe 
I really mean the bad way?  

> 
> 
> > So let me be clear.  I am never advocating either being
> > uncivil to any group of people in society or suppressing
> > beliefs. This is bad.
> 
> My point was that the subconscious can prompt us to use
> figures of speech that reveal more about what goes on
> down there than we consciously intended or possibly were
> even aware of, along the lines of a "Freudian slip,"
> although there's no actual mistake involved.

That may be so but in this case I am being explicit about what I believe.  I 
don't believe that even unconsciously I want suppress people's beliefs or be 
uncivil to them for holding them.  The other side of this would be reading in 
something unflattering that you want to believe I hold in my unconscious. I 
would prefer to stick to what we actually say because I don't share your 
confidence in your ability to interpret what my unconscious mind is doing.  I 
believe you will always be biased to see me in an unfavorable light.  

> 
> You've said over and over that you want to "challenge"
> religious beliefs, that we as a species should "shed
> the last bits of superstition," that we are "trying to
> rise above superstitious tribal beliefs." 

This is the language of philosophical debate of ideas. It shouldn't be 
misconstrued as a desire to personally challenge individuals about their 
particular beliefs.
> 
> Would I be wrong to say you would be happy to see all
> religious belief eliminated?

Yes, that would be really misleading.  Are we happy that as a culture we do not 
burn accused witches now as they still do in parts of India?  Yes, I'm glad 
that view has been eliminated here.  And although it is none of my business 
that a person wants to believe what they want about their God, scriptures or 
religion, I am glad that is is the minority who think of woman as intrinsically 
inferior to men today. 

But as a culture, I would like us to stop having a situation in our political 
lives where  a person can only get elected if they profess to have private 
conversations with an imaginary being. Our political use of the God idea would 
not be tolerated in most parts of Europe and I want to see us progress to that. 
 I cringe when I see our president put his hand on the Bible to be sworn in.  I 
want us to go the next step on the road we are already on, to secularize 
government and feel comfortable as a society electing a non religious person.


> 
> When you talk about "challenging" a religious belief,
> do you not mean *defeating* it? It doesn't advance your
> goal if the challenge is unsuccessful.

Ideas are challenged all the time and if the evidence is better people change 
their minds.  But not in the ideas of religion.  Why is that?  Because we have 
chosen as a culture to give them a protected status over any other idea human's 
have.

> 
> There's a fine line between defeating a belief and
> suppressing it. And when you challenge beliefs on the
> basis that they're "absurd," you can hardly call that
> being "civil" to the folks who hold them.

It would be uncivil in a private conversation with a very religious person. I 
am giving you the respect of speaking directly about how I feel about these 
beliefs with the knowledge that it they are not your beliefs I am criticizing, 
nor am I criticizing you personally.  If I have stepped over some line with you 
let me know and I will happily adjust.  But I am not expecting you to adapt the 
position of being offended on behalf of someone else's perspective. I don't 

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mental sinking" and TM

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> 
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 3:50 PM, PaliGap wrote:

> > It seems a desperate thing to post Vaj.
> 
> To you it might, to those who've had the same experience,
> it might come as a relief to have their experiences
> verified and explained.

"Verified and explained"??

Now, *that's* desperate.

One person's experience does not constitute "verification,"
and he didn't "explain" a thing.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ? [4 Attachments]

[Sal Sunshine]

On Mar 11, 2010, at 1:27 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:

> I AM in favor of challenging the content of religious claims just as we have 
> successfully done with witchcraft with has fallen out of favor in society as 
> a serious intellectual option. (I am also not in favor of the prejudice shown 
> to followers of WICCA since I consider their beliefs to be on the same level 
> of any other religion.) I am talking about spell casting which used to be 
> very popular and is now seen as an unlikely model for how the world really 
> works.

Can you spell "yagya," Curtis? :)

Also, just got this little gem the other day...

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These advertisements help Aish.com provide you with meaningful, quality content.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mental sinking" and TM

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>

> If people want a simple meditation that will enable them to develop  
> and maintain peace of mind I would recommend that they try to attend  
> introductory classes on Buddhist meditation which will introduce them  
> to breathing meditation as taught in most traditions of Buddhism.
>

Does that type of meditation eventually "produce" the fourth
praaNaayaama? For me that's about the only objective indication
of whether a meditation technique is effective or not. YMMV, of course!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[Bhairitu]

Rick Archer wrote:
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Buck
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:29 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool
> area of Houston, TX?
>   
>> The greater FFL truth about Turq is, he's a CIA operative. A Jason Borne
>> 
> James Bond spy. Going to Houston? He posein' as a 'writer' in Spanish resort
> towns/ Says he got contracts with big company. You bet, Blackwater in
> Houston. He's clearly a Blackwater man. MMY saw through Turq's soul years
> ago and squeezed him out then. Uncovered him. Remember MMY talking about
> CIA? It evidently was Turq and his friends.
>   
>
> Really Turq, who else was CIA? It's been some decades now since the famous
> Thailand TM course where Maharishi turned out those CIA infiltrators. 
> The "CIA infiltrator" in Thailand wasn't anything of the sort. He was just
> an innocent guy on whom Maharishi chose to vent his paranoia. 

On my TTC I had to go over to the other hotel one day without my buddy 
(who was sick) and they let me go alone.  On the way back I saw one of 
the course participants target practicing with a gun from his third 
story balcony.  He looked concerned because he didn't expect to see 
anyone else on the course walking back to the hotel at that time.  I 
probably should have asked the course coordinators why anyone would have 
a gun on the course. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:


It was a brilliant plan. And the safety of America was 
> preserved, free from touchy-feely commies.
>


Unfortunately you forget to mention that one of Maharishi's main objectives was 
to eradicate capitalism from this Planet, including America. 

What He knew, as all the Masters of Wisdom know, is that humanity has proven to 
be incapable of handling money. 

Humanity is much like you Turq; a sixth grader who thinks dreaming a dream is 
swell, that never having experienced Kundalini because it was already 
accomplished in the previous life, and screw it; I'm already enlightened anyway 
!

At the end of the day your devotion to having "fun" simply made you miss the 
real action.

On the other end of the scale I'll give you a little credit; Maharishi told His 
students that the most important thing in life is to be happy, everything else 
is secondary. Perhaps I'll find the direct quote later. "Be happy"


Don't be afraid of socialism; it will happen in a city near you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4x5fFdKMh4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P03nNeYiJo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynaewB8r_l8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtM1Z-aBSsg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMAPXY85kAY

How free is the "free marked" ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g20SOxp_Qw0


Raj Patel on american slavery today: For all Americans to watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU5zT1r5Fk8

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mental sinking" and TM

[WillyTex]

Vaj:
> If people want a simple meditation...
>
"If your mind is able to settle naturally of its own accord, 
and if you find you are inspired simply to rest in its pure 
awareness, then you do not need any method of meditation." 
- Sogyal Rinpoche

'The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying'
Rigpa: The Stages of Meditation 
By Sogyal Rinpoche 
HarperSanFrancisco, 1992 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Progressive TM maoism

[Buck]

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > The "CIA infiltrator" in Thailand wasn't anything of the sort. He >was just
> > an innocent guy on whom Maharishi chose to vent his paranoia.
> >
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> Oh, oh..you just confirmed to Buck (and no doubt Tex) that >you're in on 
> it too Rick.
> 

Rick, in meditator typology? Naw, i know Rick, he's one of them progressive 
maoist meditators.  Like Hagelin.

As in: "...those who envision a gradually improving world (progressive 
millennialists--Shakers, some Marxists, many mainline Christian denominations, 
etc.).  Your perfectionists fall within progressive millennialism, in this 
typology.   
Viewed broadly, TM and Maoism share a few certain characteristics as millennial 
movements. Of course, they diverge widely in theory, methods, and understanding 
of human nature.  Maoism is significantly different on the violence meter, as 
well, but shares the TM movement's longing for (and expectation of) a perfect 
world." 

In progressive millenial perfectionism to the end
Jai Adi Shankara,
-Buck

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
>  [snip] 
> 
> > I AM in favor of challenging the content of religious 
> > claims just as we have successfully done with
> > witchcraft with has fallen out of favor in society as 
> > a serious intellectual option.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Religious ideas have gotten a pass not given any other
> > ideas in our culture.  It is the only area of
> > knowledge where you can claim that you just believe with
> > no evidence and that view is taken as seriously as if
> > you had good evidence for a belief.
> 
> I can't see where you're coming from on this. What is this 
> "pass" religious ideas are getting? Religious ideas are being 
> heavily criticised all the time. Almost anything goes (except 
> in recent times some special treatment towards Muslims 
> arguably).

Try challenging a simple thing like the tax-exempt
status of churches and see how far you get with it.
Politicians (at least in the US) wouldn't touch it
with a ten-foot pole. It is accepted as a "given,"
and effectively can no longer be challenged. 

Try challenging a Christian university's right to
reject students (or faculty, or even workers on the
campus) for not being Christian. They can, legally,
and do so in the United States. No other employers 
in the country can.

Try challenging churches' right to perform marriages.
In this function they are basically surrogates for 
the state, because only the state can recognize the
legal status of a marriage. But religious organizations
get to legally act as such surrogates (and turn a tidy
profit from it), whereas if you tried to set up a 
company to marry people legally, you would be unable 
to do so.

It's not just the dogma that Curtis (I think) is talk-
ing about. It's the "fallout" from centuries of relig-
ions having been granted special privileges that no
one else was granted. Many of these special privileges 
are so accepted as "givens" in society that they are 
*never* challenged. 

Try challenging a Catholic priest's ability to refuse
to divulge criminal matters told to him in confession.
Psychiatrists and doctors no longer have this privilege,
if ordered to violate it by a court order (as has hap-
pened, many times). For the Willytex-level paranoid
among us, a terrorist could walk into a Catholic Church,
go into a confession booth, and tell the priest that he
was planning to blow up the UN the next day. The priest
is under no obligation to tell anyone. If the terrorist
*does* blow up the UN and someone finds out that he had
confessed to the priest, nothing bad is going to happen
to the priest. He skates free. And for what reason? It
is in the Catholic Church's benefit to be able to preserve
it's reputation for keeping things said in the confessional 
secret. It is in no one *else's* benefit. in this fictional 
scenario, not even society's as a whole. But it could 
happen this way because certain "rights" of religions 
are accepted as a "given." 

I don't think they should be so accepted. I think we
have a right to challenge these traditional "perks" and
"gimmes" that religions have been getting for centuries.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mental sinking" and TM

[Vaj]

On Mar 11, 2010, at 3:50 PM, PaliGap wrote:

> > If people want a simple meditation that will enable them to develop 
> > and maintain peace of mind I would recommend that they try to attend 
> > introductory classes on Buddhist meditation which will introduce them 
> > to breathing meditation as taught in most traditions of Buddhism.
> 
> And why not. But how far he can generalise to others from his
> apparently idiosyncratic experience seems questionable.

I felt his experience would speak to a lot of people, that's why I posted it.

> 
> Or is everyone else here shouting at their families after their 
> 20 minutes TM?

Some probably are, some are not--most probably quit.

> 
> It seems a desperate thing to post Vaj.

To you it might, to those who've had the same experience, it might come as a 
relief to have their experiences verified and explained.

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Mental sinking" and TM

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
>  From "Adam"
> 
[snip]
> TM definitely induces and extremely relaxing state of body and mind, 

Many seem to agree
 
> but it induces mental fogginess.

Not my experience, or that of most I've encountered. 

> The effect of TM on me was to make me increasingly angry and  
> confused. I started shouting at my family more and more. 

Some people turn purple when they eat peanuts. If that's his
experience, that's his experience. I'm not prepared to 
seriously entertain that as typical.

> Eventally  
> after a year and a half or so I decided to give it up without knowing  
> quite why – a decision I am very grateful for.

Good decision by the sound of it.

> Susequently I started going to Buddhist classes and was taught a very  
> simple breathing meditation which has helped me far more than TM ever  
> did. Although the money has never been an issue of me, it is perhaps  
> worth noting that for the Buddhist classes I was only charged £4 per  
> class – significantly less than I paid for TM.

But it's not about the money?
 
> What really was significant for me was that the simple breathing  
> meditation taught to me through Buddhism was far better for me in  
> terms of gaining a sense of clarity of mind than TM had ever been. 

Fair dinkum.
 
> Also of vital significance was that far from telling me that  
> conscious though was the problem Buddhism taught me to use conscious  
> thought to understand and resolve my problems, both in and outside of  
> meditation.

Seems confused.

> People need to be discerning customers when it comes to meditation as  
> not all meditations are the same. Any meditation technique can be  
> harmful if practised over-zealously.

A truism.

> If people want a simple meditation that will enable them to develop  
> and maintain peace of mind I would recommend that they try to attend  
> introductory classes on Buddhist meditation which will introduce them  
> to breathing meditation as taught in most traditions of Buddhism.

And why not. But how far he can generalise to others from his
apparently idiosyncratic experience seems questionable.

Or is everyone else here shouting at their families after their 
20 minutes TM?

It seems a desperate thing to post Vaj.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Live TM Theatre

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > "Make sure your idea is clear and focused.  You should be 
> > > able to describe the charity's purpose and mission in a 
> > > single sentence." -The Nonprofit Handbook  -Grobman
> > 
> > "We want the world to live in peace, harmony, and
> > eternal enlightened bliss, while paying us for the 
> > privilege of belng able to experience it."
> > 
> > How's that?
> 
> A remarkably good synopsis.

I should have said:

"We want the world to live in peace, harmony, and
eternal enlightened bliss, while paying us for the 
privilege of experiencing these things, whether or 
not we had anything to do with creating them, only
because we claim to have had something to do with it."

That's a more accurate "mission statement."
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> "You said something revealing in a previous post, that
> we have "erred on the side of" not suppressing religion
> and of not being uncivil to religionists."
> 
> First I was just pissed when I read this since it is not what I meant.  But 
> then I found the quote and understand why you thought this:
> 
> Me
> > > So I believe that we have erred on the side of allowing
> > > unchallenged beliefs about how life works rather than
> > > suppressing them or acting uncivilly to religious people
> > > in this country in the last few decades.
> 
> You
> > "Erred"? My goodness, I hope that's a figure of
> > speech.
> 
> Poorly written and not what I intended.

Curtis, I know what you intended to say. In the figure-
of-speech sense, we often use "erred on the side of" when
the "error" is clearly a positive, which is the way you
used it. There wasn't anything wrong with the way you
wrote it.


> So let me be clear.  I am never advocating either being
> uncivil to any group of people in society or suppressing
> beliefs. This is bad.

My point was that the subconscious can prompt us to use
figures of speech that reveal more about what goes on
down there than we consciously intended or possibly were
even aware of, along the lines of a "Freudian slip,"
although there's no actual mistake involved.

You've said over and over that you want to "challenge"
religious beliefs, that we as a species should "shed
the last bits of superstition," that we are "trying to
rise above superstitious tribal beliefs." 

Would I be wrong to say you would be happy to see all
religious belief eliminated?

When you talk about "challenging" a religious belief,
do you not mean *defeating* it? It doesn't advance your
goal if the challenge is unsuccessful.

There's a fine line between defeating a belief and
suppressing it. And when you challenge beliefs on the
basis that they're "absurd," you can hardly call that
being "civil" to the folks who hold them.

I'm very dubious about the possibility of ever 
eliminating "superstition" (in the sense you're using
the term as well as the usual sense). I think
"challenging" beliefs is rarely successful; it more
often provokes hostility and leads folks to dig in 
and hang on even more tenaciously than before.

I think there's a certain personal fulfillment in
demonstrating to one's own satisfaction that someone
else's belief is "absurd." I think that's why it's so
appealing. I've spent plenty of time doing it myself.

But I'm very uncertain that it has ever resulted in
any positive change in behavior, much less in 
eliminating the belief itself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
 wrote:
 [snip] 

> I AM in favor of challenging the content of religious 
> claims just as we have successfully done with
> witchcraft with has fallen out of favor in society as 
> a serious intellectual option.

[snip]

> Religious ideas have gotten a pass not given any other
> ideas in our culture.  It is the only area of
> knowledge where you can claim that you just believe with
> no evidence and that view is taken as seriously as if
> you had good evidence for a belief.

I can't see where you're coming from on this. What is this 
"pass" religious ideas are getting? Religious ideas are being 
heavily criticised all the time. Almost anything goes (except 
in recent times some special treatment towards Muslims 
arguably).

> This has been shifting in some societies from putting
> people to death for heresy to being able to have the
> right to voice challenges to religious claims.  I am
> in favor of this right.  

And we have all had that right for yonks, no? (in the West).

[snip]
> I am saying we can do even better in our culture to
> expand our intellectual freedom to discuss and challenge 
> religious claims without people immediately assuming you
> are advocating suppression or being uncivil for doing so.

We're already there aren't we? Limited of course by good
manners and a willingness to respect others' right to their
own opinions.

And limited most of all by epistemological humility! "Scientism"
is just another form of doctrinal barbarism, no?

> No one gets offended if you say swinging a dead cat
> around in a sack in a graveyard at midnight will NOT 
> effect some change in the physical world. Yet if you
> propose that perhaps the Eucharist in a Catholic mass is 
> NOT physically transforming in any real way, you
> are considered out of line and it is socially
> unacceptable to challenge that belief.

I don't live in your world! Is this what it's like in good 
'ole US of A?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Live TM Theatre

[Buck]

> >
> > "Make sure your idea is clear and focused.  You should be 
> > able to describe the charity's purpose and mission in a 
> > single sentence." -The Nonprofit Handbook  -Grobman
> 
> "We want the world to live in peace, harmony, and
> eternal enlightened bliss, while paying us for the 
> privilege of belng able to experience it."
> 
> How's that?
>

A remarkably good synopsis.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Raj Raam's job description?

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > After replying to Buck earlier about the different
> > ways we saw the recently-posted video of Raj Raam
> > and Raja Hagelin and Jerry, it occurred to me that
> > I'd really like to hear Raj Raam's *job description*.
> > 
> > Is there an official, TMO-certified description of 
> > who he is and what his duties are?
> > 
> > I'd sure love to read it if anyone knows of anything
> > like this.
> >
> 
> I would think its along the lines of:
> 
> Infusing the world with akashic silence, removing deep subtle obstacles to 
> progress, and nourishing nature's power of self organization. 
> 
>  
> First question is -- is such a thing possible? Not can RajT do that, but 
> could anyone do that. 
> 
> 
> I am enough of a spiritual romantic to think this sort of thing is possible, 
> that there have been some saints that have this skill and influence. More 
> plausible on a local level. On a global level, thats more iffy, but hope 
> sprints eternal.  
> 
> Second question: Can RajT do that?
> 
> Who knows. Outer appearances don't really correlate well with inner ripeness. 
> Is it possible? I can't with absolute surety say no. 
> 
> Third Q: does it make much difference -- that is is it a strong effect or a 
> real, but very subtle, hard to detect thing. 
> 
> Not sure. I can see in my mind's eye how that could work, and how it could be 
> a strong effect. However, thats a long ways from detecting any discernible 
> effect. 
> 
> But even if its "fantastic" -- a fantasy but a glorious one, it at least is 
> wonderful art and participatory theater -- both of which can have quite a 
> positive effect in breaking peoples internal boundaries, and giving a higher 
> sense of what is possible. 
> 
> Drawing on the vast richness of such art and theater of the 60's: did 
> sticking daisy in national guards guns at the front lines of mass protests 
> really have any chance of stopping bullets? Of course not. But it was as 
> hugely powerful image. A collective "yes we can" moment.   
> 
> Same with the stated intent of the mass protest at the Pentagon -- to 
> levitate the Pentagon in the air. Was that feasible. Of course not. But that 
> image, that theater, was powerful enough to shatter 10 million collective 
> inner boundaries on what was possible. And guess what. The consequence of 
> those 10 million shattered inner boundaries  perhaps drove possible the most 
> political savy president ever to "drop out" -- not run for re-election. 
> 
> Or the March on Washington. It was only words. But the collective, in sychn  
> inner strength and outpouring was magical, IMO. It was art -- but powerfully 
> transformative. 
> 
> Can RAjT and the other big hat bandidos create art that powerful?Probably not 
> -- from what I have seen. But who knows what images can be made and which 
> stick over time.
>


Nablussos, as a conservative and experienced meditator here too wouldn't you 
think Brain here should needs to have his meditation checked?

Brain, is a nice job description for the Raam to start with but everything else 
you write seems are your doubts.Yes, nice writing though it mostly 'sposes' 
only because it seems it isn't your experience, like Turq and curtis do here.  
You're getting terribly close to Turq and Curtis writing here in this way.  
Least you're not the outright denier like they are.  I'm sorry for your lack of 
experience.  Keep after it, It's really worthwhile.

-Buck

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India

[WillyTex]

Rick Archer:
> Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video)
>
What were you doing in the Swami's bedroom, Rick?

[FairfieldLife] "Mental sinking" and TM

[Vaj]

From "Adam"

I am against TM having had a bad experience of it. At the age of 14 I  
read a book called ‘Tranquility without Pills’ which was all about  
Transcendental Meditation. I was extremely inspired and set about  
trying to find someone who could initiate me into the technique. I  
found someone who could teach me the technique for about £300, and  
although this must have represented my entire paperound salary for  
ten weeks I don’t remember being put off by this (and have nothing to  
say one way or the other on this count).


Anyway, I went along to learn about it and was taught about the  
different levels of mind and how we normally sought to solve problems  
on the conscious level of mind which just ended in us going around in  
conceptual circles. Instead, I was taught, we needed to solve our  
problems by absorbing into an subtler level of mind.


TM, I was taught, was different from other forms of meditation in  
which the emphasis was on concentration in that it taught people to  
reach a subtler level of mind, which wasn’t possible with  
concentration alone.


I was taught a mantra which I was requested to promise to keep secret  
(a promise I have kept and I have no particular problem with this  
either), and I was taught to meditate on this mantra by relaxing into  
it and allowing it to become subtler and subtler.


TM definitely induces and extremely relaxing state of body and mind,  
but it induces mental fogginess. From a Buddhist point of view it is  
basically training in mental sinking which is a state of meditative  
concentration in which we have hold on the object of meditation but  
in which our clarity of it is fading. Mental sinking is a form of  
faulty concentration and yet is the essence of the practice of TM.


The effect of TM on me was to make me increasingly angry and  
confused. I started shouting at my family more and more. Eventally  
after a year and a half or so I decided to give it up without knowing  
quite why – a decision I am very grateful for.


Susequently I started going to Buddhist classes and was taught a very  
simple breathing meditation which has helped me far more than TM ever  
did. Although the money has never been an issue of me, it is perhaps  
worth noting that for the Buddhist classes I was only charged £4 per  
class – significantly less than I paid for TM.


What really was significant for me was that the simple breathing  
meditation taught to me through Buddhism was far better for me in  
terms of gaining a sense of clarity of mind than TM had ever been.  
Also of vital significance was that far from telling me that  
conscious though was the problem Buddhism taught me to use conscious  
thought to understand and resolve my problems, both in and outside of  
meditation.


People need to be discerning customers when it comes to meditation as  
not all meditations are the same. Any meditation technique can be  
harmful if practised over-zealously.


If people want a simple meditation that will enable them to develop  
and maintain peace of mind I would recommend that they try to attend  
introductory classes on Buddhist meditation which will introduce them  
to breathing meditation as taught in most traditions of Buddhism.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[curtisdeltablues]

- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:


"You said something revealing in a previous post, that
we have "erred on the side of" not suppressing religion
and of not being uncivil to religionists."

First I was just pissed when I read this since it is not what I meant.  But 
then I found the quote and understand why you thought this:

Me
> > So I believe that we have erred on the side of allowing
> > unchallenged beliefs about how life works rather than
> > suppressing them or acting uncivilly to religious people
> > in this country in the last few decades.
>

You
> "Erred"? My goodness, I hope that's a figure of
> speech.

Poorly written and not what I intended.  That is why I didn't get what you were 
challenging when I read your comment about "figure of speech" at first.  I 
thought I must have misspelled erred!

The contrast was between us going overboard not challenging in open dissuasion 
religions at all verses the other extreme of suppressing them or acting 
uncivilly towards them. Given the combination of my poor phrasing and your 
tendency to see the worst in me, I understand why you thought what you did. I 
take responsibility for my poor writing.  We erred on the side of no discussion 
at all to avoid the other extreme.  

So let me be clear.  I am never advocating either being uncivil to any group of 
people in society or suppressing beliefs. This is bad.

I AM in favor of challenging the content of religious claims just as we have 
successfully done with witchcraft with has fallen out of favor in society as a 
serious intellectual option. (I am also not in favor of the prejudice shown to 
followers of WICCA since I consider their beliefs to be on the same level of 
any other religion.) I am talking about spell casting which used to be very 
popular and is now seen as an unlikely model for how the world really works.

Religious ideas have gotten a pass not given any other ideas in our culture.  
It is the only area of knowledge where you can claim that you just believe with 
no evidence and that view is taken as seriously as if you had good evidence for 
a belief.

This has been shifting in some societies from putting people to death for 
heresy to being able to have the right to voice challenges to religious claims. 
 I am in favor of this right.  We all agree that what goes on in countries 
where they imprison you for speaking against their religion is less 
intellectually evolved, right?  We are all anti Taliban for example.  I am 
saying we can do even better in our culture to expand our intellectual freedom 
to discuss and challenge religious claims without people immediately assuming 
you are advocating suppression or being uncivil for doing so.

No one gets offended if you say swinging a dead cat around in a sack in a 
graveyard at midnight will NOT effect some change in the physical world. Yet if 
you propose that perhaps the Eucharist in a Catholic mass is NOT physically 
transforming in any real way, you are considered out of line and it is socially 
unacceptable to challenge that belief. We have decided rather arbitrarily that 
challenging that a person who straps bombs on themselves to get into a virgin 
filled heaven is acting irrationally.  

I will deal with your other points later and thanks for writing in detail.  I 
needed to correct this point first.





>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> >  wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I think going after the religion rather than the behavior
> > > > > > > risks becoming a crusade and even a pogrom (figuratively
> > > > > > > speaking), and it doesn't affect the behavior.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I missed this first time through.  This is a legitimate
> > > > > > point to consider.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Even though the point you go on to consider is not 
> > > > > at all the one I was making...O-K.
> > 
> > That is the point of going back and forth, to understand
> > what points are being made.
> 
> Never mind. You know why I made that comment.
> 
> 
> > Since I don't portray everyone who shares a specific
> > religious heritage as bad guys it doesn't apply to me.
> > But I can think that they are wrong about what they are
> > asserting or that there is little evidence for fantastic
> > claims.  And that the people who make less fantastic 
> > claims are shielding the ones who do while still
> > maintaining the absurd premise that they have a unique
> > insight into the mind of the creator of the universe and
> > his desires concerning this world.
> 
> Yeah, that's the latest antireligion talking point,
> that moderate religionists are equally as dangerous
> as fundamentalists because by being moderate, they
> "shield" the fundamentalists.
> 
> I think that's a crock and a half. It sounds to me
> as though the antireligionists are pissed off at the
> moderate religionists because they aren't as easy to
> mock

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[Joe]

Oh, oh..you just confirmed to Buck (and no doubt Tex) that you're in on it 
too Rick.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Buck
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:29 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool
> area of Houston, TX?
> > The greater FFL truth about Turq is, he's a CIA operative. A Jason Borne
> James Bond spy. Going to Houston? He posein' as a 'writer' in Spanish resort
> towns/ Says he got contracts with big company. You bet, Blackwater in
> Houston. He's clearly a Blackwater man. MMY saw through Turq's soul years
> ago and squeezed him out then. Uncovered him. Remember MMY talking about
> CIA? It evidently was Turq and his friends.
> >
> 
> Really Turq, who else was CIA? It's been some decades now since the famous
> Thailand TM course where Maharishi turned out those CIA infiltrators. 
> The "CIA infiltrator" in Thailand wasn't anything of the sort. He was just
> an innocent guy on whom Maharishi chose to vent his paranoia.
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Buck
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:29 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool
area of Houston, TX?
> The greater FFL truth about Turq is, he's a CIA operative. A Jason Borne
James Bond spy. Going to Houston? He posein' as a 'writer' in Spanish resort
towns/ Says he got contracts with big company. You bet, Blackwater in
Houston. He's clearly a Blackwater man. MMY saw through Turq's soul years
ago and squeezed him out then. Uncovered him. Remember MMY talking about
CIA? It evidently was Turq and his friends.
>

Really Turq, who else was CIA? It's been some decades now since the famous
Thailand TM course where Maharishi turned out those CIA infiltrators. 
The "CIA infiltrator" in Thailand wasn't anything of the sort. He was just
an innocent guy on whom Maharishi chose to vent his paranoia. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> Shit Barry, they're on to us! We better meet back at HQ and 
> figure out new covers. Hey, it was fun while it lasted. That 
> little scheme of ours to turn the TMO into a goofy cult with 
> Plan 9 costumes, Rajas and a pretend King worked like a charm, 
> eh? We managed to bring a booming program to its knees in just 
> over 20 years.
> 
> Not bad. Where to next buddy? Wanna take on the Mormons?

I'd love to play along, but today is just too weird,
with one person ranting about "anti-religionists" and
Buck retreating into the old "We were so important that 
the CIA wanted to destroy us" self-importance fantasy.

You know that people's faith is on its last legs when
the only thing that gets them off any more is their 
own paranoia. 


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > TurquoiseB:
> > > > OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
> > > > travelers or even...gulp!...Texans.
> > > > 
> > > > I have to spend several nights in...gulp!...Houston,
> > > > Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
> > > > through on the Interstate.
> > > > 
> > > > If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
> > > > Houston. 
> > > > 
> > > > IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
> > > > stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
> > > > walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
> > > > bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
> > > > to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
> > > > please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
> > > > Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
> > > > hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
> > > > in the worst part of town.  :-)
> > > >
> > > There's a Motel 6 out on Highway 290 West. It's in
> > > the best part of town, in other words, out of town.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > The greater FFL truth about Turq is, he's a CIA operative.  A Jason Borne 
> > James Bond spy.  Going to Houston?  He posein' as a 'writer' in Spanish 
> > resort towns/  Says he got contracts with big company.  You bet, Blackwater 
> > in Houston.  He's clearly a Blackwater man.  MMY saw through Turq's soul 
> > years ago and squeezed him out then. Uncovered him.  Remember MMY talking 
> > about CIA?  It evidently was Turq and his friends.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chief Catholic Exorcist : Satan Is in the Vatican

[ShempMcGurk]

I thought the devil was inhabiting Pat Robertson's body.

Isn't Pat privy to the deal Satan made with the Haitians 200 years ago?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican
> From The Times - March 11, 2010
> Richard Owen in Rome
> 
>   [Gabriele Amorth, an exorcist in the diocese of Rome poses in Rome,
> 2005.]  Giulio Napolitano, AFP / Getty Images Rev. Gabriele Amorth, who
> served as
> the Catholic Church's chief exorcist for
> 25 years, claims the devil has infiltrated
> the Vatican.
>  Sex abuse scandals in the Roman Catholic Church are proof that
> that "the  Devil is at work inside the Vatican", according to the Holy
> See's chief  exorcist.
> 
> Father Gabriele Amorth, 85, who has been the Vatican's chief exorcist
> for 25  years and says he has dealt with 70,000 cases of demonic
> possession, said  that the consequences of satanic infiltration included
> power struggles at  the Vatican as well as "cardinals who do not believe
> in Jesus, and  bishops who are linked to the Demon".
> 
> He added: "When one speaks of 'the smoke of Satan' [a phrase coined by 
> Pope Paul VI in 1972] in the holy rooms, it is all true – including
> these  latest stories of violence and paedophilia."
> 
> He claimed that another example of satanic behaviour was the Vatican
> "cover-up"  over the deaths in 1998 of Alois Estermann, the then
> commander of the Swiss  Guard, his wife and Corporal Cedric Tornay, a
> Swiss Guard, who were all  found shot dead. "They covered up everything
> immediately," he  said. "Here one sees the rot".
> 
> A remarkably swift Vatican investigation concluded that Corporal Tornay
> had  shot the commander and his wife and then turned his gun on himself
> after  being passed over for a medal. However Tornay's relatives have
> challenged  this. There have been unconfirmed reports of a homosexual
> background to the  tragedy and the involvement of a fourth person who
> was never identfied.
> 
> Father Amorth, who has just published Memoirs of an Exorcist, a series 
> of interviews with the Vatican journalist Marco Tosatti, said that the 
> attempt on the life of Pope John Paul II in 1981 had been the work of
> the  Devil, as had an incident last Christmas when a mentally disturbed
> woman  threw herself at Pope Benedict XVI at the start of Midnight Mass,
> pulling  him to the ground.
> 
> Father José Antonio Fortea Cucurull, a Rome-based exorcist, said that
> Father  Amorth had "gone well beyond the evidence" in claiming that
> Satan  had infiltrated the Vatican corridors.
> 
> "Cardinals might be better or worse, but all have upright intentions and
> seek the glory of God," he said. Some Vatican officials were more pious 
> than others, "but from there to affirm that some cardinals are members 
> of satanic sects is an unacceptable distance."
> 
> Father Amorth told La Repubblica that the devil was "pure spirit, 
> invisible. But he manifests himself with blasphemies and afflictions in
> the  person he possesses. He can remain hidden, or speak in different
> languages,  transform himself or appear to be agreeable. At times he
> makes fun of me."
> 
> He said it sometimes took six or seven of his assistants to to hold down
> a  possessed person. Those possessed often yelled and screamed and spat
> out  nails or pieces of glass, which he kept in a bag. "Anything can
> come  out of their mouths – finger-length pieces of iron, but also
> rose petals."
> 
> He said that he hoped every diocese would eventually have a resident
> exorcist.  Under Church Canon Law any priest can perform exorcisms, but
> in practice  they are carried out by a chosen few trained in the rites.
> 
> Father Amorth was ordained in 1954 and became an official exorcist in
> 1986. In  the past he has suggested that Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin
> were possessed  by the Devil. He was among Vatican officials who warned
> that J. K. Rowling's  Harry Potter novels made a "false distinction
> between black and white  magic".
> 
> He approves, however, of the 1973 film The Exorcist, which although
> "exaggerated"  offered a "substantially exact" picture of possession.
> 
> In 2001 he objected to the introduction of a new version of the exorcism
> rite,  complaining that it dropped centuries-old prayers and was "a
> blunt sword"  about which exorcists themselves had not been consulted.
> The Vatican said  later that he and other exorcists could continue to
> use the old ritual.
> 
> He is the president of honour of the Association of Exorcists.
> 
> 
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7056689.ece
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[Joe]

Shit Barry, they're on to us! We better meet back at HQ and figure out new 
covers.
Hey, it was fun while it lasted. That little scheme of ours to turn the TMO 
into a goofy cult with Plan 9 costumes, Rajas and a pretend King worked like a 
charm, eh? We managed to bring a booming program to its knees in just over 20 
years.

Not bad. Where to next buddy? Wanna take on the Mormons?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > TurquoiseB:
> > > OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
> > > travelers or even...gulp!...Texans.
> > > 
> > > I have to spend several nights in...gulp!...Houston,
> > > Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
> > > through on the Interstate.
> > > 
> > > If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
> > > Houston. 
> > > 
> > > IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
> > > stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
> > > walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
> > > bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
> > > to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
> > > please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
> > > Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
> > > hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
> > > in the worst part of town.  :-)
> > >
> > There's a Motel 6 out on Highway 290 West. It's in
> > the best part of town, in other words, out of town.
> >
> 
> 
> The greater FFL truth about Turq is, he's a CIA operative.  A Jason Borne 
> James Bond spy.  Going to Houston?  He posein' as a 'writer' in Spanish 
> resort towns/  Says he got contracts with big company.  You bet, Blackwater 
> in Houston.  He's clearly a Blackwater man.  MMY saw through Turq's soul 
> years ago and squeezed him out then. Uncovered him.  Remember MMY talking 
> about CIA?  It evidently was Turq and his friends.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India

[Joe]

My favorite thing about masturbation is the cuddling time afterwards.

-Woody Allen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
>
> "I do not believe in an afterlife, although I am bringing a change of 
> underwear."
> 
> - Woody Allen
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
> > >
> > > He rocks because he's wise, something that's very refreshing 
> > > around here. Maybe he represents an adult level of Christianity 
> > > that is rarely seen or reported, only Sunday school jibberish 
> > > that seems to resonant with the the cultural creatives who 
> > > couldn't be bothered by all matters serious or again dare I 
> > > say Adult.
> > 
> > You can call being "serious" anything you want.
> > If "Adult" is what you think of, more power to ya.
> > 
> > I consider the desire to be "serious," or even 
> > sadder the desire "to be taken seriously" two of
> > the *banes* of adulthood. It's a *loss*, not a 
> > gain. Chesterton *nails* it, in only four words.
> > Seriousness is NOT a virtue. There is nothing on
> > this planet or any other that is improved one iota
> > by "taking it seriously" or getting all "serious"
> > in the face of it.
> > 
> > The wisest people I have ever met in my life all
> > shared one quality -- they were FUNNY. They laughed
> > a lot. And at the strangest things, things that
> > others around them thought were so "serious" that
> > they just "must" take them "seriously," or be
> > thought "not an adult."  
> > 
> > You are really preaching to the wrong person if you
> > hope to elevate "adulthood" and "being serious" up
> > onto the pedestal of virtue with me. I have written
> > whole tracts on the spiritual value of FUN and 
> > laughter, and will do so again. Here's one of them:
> > http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/rtm31.html
> > 
> > I am helping to raise a young girl, currently 13
> > months old, who is blessedly one of the happiest,
> > most consistently joyful beings I have ever run
> > across. I consider it my job to help her *preserve*
> > that as she grows into adulthood, not *lose* it to
> > some misguided sense of needing to be "serious," 
> > or worse, "to be taken seriously." 
> > 
> > Those who cannot laugh at the things they value most
> > have IMO lost their way. I can think of nothing in
> > the universe more sad than believing that being
> > "serious" is an improvement over being happy and
> > full of joy and ready -- and able -- to laugh at 
> > every moment.
> > 
> > YMMV. Clearly, it seems to. G.K. Chesterton is on
> > *my* side in this one, Bucko. He was described by 
> > his friends and loved ones as one of the lightest,
> > more consistently funny and cheerful individuals 
> > they ever met. There was *nothing* in philosophy
> > or in religion that he could not -- and did not --
> > laugh at. None of that got in the way of even 
> > serious people like yourself considering him wise. 
> > Now that is my kinda "adult."
> > 
> > Chesterton was a big guy - 6'4" tall and weighing
> > close to 300 pounds. Once he remarked to his friend 
> > George Bernard Shaw, "To look at you, anyone would 
> > think there was a famine in England." Shaw retorted, 
> > "To look at you, anyone would think you caused it."
> > P. G. Wodehouse once described a very loud crash as 
> > "a sound like Chesterton falling onto a sheet of tin."
> > 
> > G.K. Chesterton was *loved* by his friends and family,
> > and even by the people he debated against, such as 
> > Shaw. He seems to have lived a long and happy life.
> > My bet is that his ability to *not* take everything
> > "seriously* is what enabled that happy life, not
> > something that stood in the way of it.
> >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In this day and age why would anyone follow a guru? 
> > > > > > Enlightenment? Liberation? Burn Karma? Not likely folks, 
> > > > > > wake up and smell the chai
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > To quote the great GK Chesterton-
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "When Man ceases to worship God he does not worship nothing 
> > > > > > but worships everything".
> > > > > 
> > > > > What a fantastic quote!
> > > > 
> > > > G,K. Chesterton rocks! I was first turned on to him by
> > > > Christians on a Bruce Cockburn mailing list (which kinda
> > > > qualifies them as being a bit Not Yer Ordinary Christians).
> > > > One of them used to sign his posts with a .sig file from
> > > > Chesterton, which knocked my socks off the first time I
> > > > read it and does still today:
> > > > 
> > > > "Seriousness is not a virtue."
> > > > 
> > > > Chesterton is FUNNY. How many Christian philosophers can
> > > > you say that about? The man had a level of *mirth* about
> > > > him that made his deep 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[Buck]

> 
> 
> The greater FFL truth about Turq is, he's a CIA operative.  A Jason Borne 
> James Bond spy.  Going to Houston?  He posein' as a 'writer' in Spanish 
> resort towns/  Says he got contracts with big company.  You bet, Blackwater 
> in Houston.  He's clearly a Blackwater man.  MMY saw through Turq's soul 
> years ago and squeezed him out then. Uncovered him.  Remember MMY talking 
> about CIA?  It evidently was Turq and his friends.
>

Really Turq, who else was CIA?  It's been some decades now since the famous 
Thailand TM course where Maharishi turned out those CIA infiltrators.  It's 
been at least 20 years, you can talk now.  You know, it could just be off 
record here.  You might even e-mail Rick with the names if you still can't post 
directly.  What were their names?  Wasn't Curtis on that course too?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India

[WillyTex]

TurquoiseB: 
> So much idiocy and suffering over the centuries,
> just because humans can't deal with the concept
> of "eternal." 
>
So, how would *not* believing in the 'eternal' 
cause human 'suffering'?


 
> If one merely postulates an eternal universe,
> one without beginning or end, then there is no
> need for a "creation," and no need for a 
> "Creator." 
> 
Apparently most Buddhists do not believe in 
eternalism; the Buddha considered a belief in 
eternalism to be one of the root causes of 
human suffering.

> The entire need for "God" seems to come down to
> humans being unable to keep from projecting the
> it-began-and-someday-it-must-end-ness...
>
So, you're thinking that the soul-monad lives
forever and never dies; that the soul gets reborn
after forty days in the 'Bardo', and then gets 
to inhabit a new body in another, future life.

> ...of their own puny lives onto the universe. 
> 
Do physics scientists believe that the universe 
is eternal and never-ending? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Howard Stern talking about TM yesterday

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
>
> From: Ken Chawkin 
> 
> Passing this on to you. It was sent to me from a friend. His comments.
> Download File. Only available till the end of the week.
> 
> 
> This audio recording is of a section of yesterday morning's Howard Stern
> show in which he talked about TM - influential and amusing!!
> 
> Thought you might find this amusing.  It caused a big increase in contacts
> to our call center.  95% is Howard joking about his mother bugging him about
> whether he meditates or not; then Robin talks about Carl Rove and Tiger
> Woods, and then the last 30 seconds are the great plug.  What a goof ball.
>


This can be a companion piece to Howard's rant about Gabourey Sidibe, also from 
this past week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVzv-SmPtbU

Sweet guy, that Howard.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you have this experience in India ? If so how did it influence you ?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
>  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think going after the religion rather than the behavior
> > > > > > risks becoming a crusade and even a pogrom (figuratively
> > > > > > speaking), and it doesn't affect the behavior.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I missed this first time through.  This is a legitimate
> > > > > point to consider.
> > > > 
> > > > Even though the point you go on to consider is not 
> > > > at all the one I was making...O-K.
> 
> That is the point of going back and forth, to understand
> what points are being made.

Never mind. You know why I made that comment.


> Since I don't portray everyone who shares a specific
> religious heritage as bad guys it doesn't apply to me.
> But I can think that they are wrong about what they are
> asserting or that there is little evidence for fantastic
> claims.  And that the people who make less fantastic 
> claims are shielding the ones who do while still
> maintaining the absurd premise that they have a unique
> insight into the mind of the creator of the universe and
> his desires concerning this world.

Yeah, that's the latest antireligion talking point,
that moderate religionists are equally as dangerous
as fundamentalists because by being moderate, they
"shield" the fundamentalists.

I think that's a crock and a half. It sounds to me
as though the antireligionists are pissed off at the
moderate religionists because they aren't as easy to
mock and challenge. So the antis have dreamed a basis
for attacking moderates for being *more rational*.

I repeat, the militant antireligionists seem to me
just as fundamentalist and absolutist as the most
fundamentalist religionist. The antis simply don't
think anybody should be allowed to have any religious
beliefs whatsoever.

You said something revealing in a previous post, that
we have "erred on the side of" not suppressing religion
and of not being uncivil to religionists.

I commented that I hoped "erred" was just a figure of
speech, but I'm not entirely sure it is. I think the
antis really do believe deep down that it's a mistake to
allow religion to exist and to treat religionists with
civility.

It's particularly ironic on this forum, where a
defense of one's spiritual views is constantly attacked
as being intolerant of other spiritual views, but
intolerance of *all* religious views--even beliefs that
can't be shown to result in bad behavior--is considered
perfectly fine.

I just don't think that's rational, and I think it's
potentially dangerous. There needs to be a middle ground.
(Fortunately there are far more religionists than antis
in this country, so we probably don't have to be 
concerned about anything worse than incivility from the
antis.)

> > > > > If a person today claims the holocaust never happened
> > > > > we challenge the idea with facts.  If people claim
> > > > > Jesus rose from the dead we have a right to say "what
> > > > > is your proof?"
> > > > 
> > > > Do you see any significant differences between 
> > > > these two claims?
> > > 
> > > Sure, among them that the claim that Jesus physically
> > > rose from the dead is among the protected ideas in our
> > > culture that is felt is beyond challenge despite it
> > > being asserted as a fact.
> > 
> > Any other differences?
> 
> This is annoying.  There are many which one is important
> to you?  The claims about both Jesus and the holocaust are
> based on historical evidence.  One has good evidence and
> one has bad evidence.  But they are both asserted as
> physical history about something that happened in this
> world, not the afterlife. the Bible uses accounts of
> people at the time as evidence for what they claim
> historically happened.

That's usually the type of evidence given for historical
claims before the advent of photography and newspapers
and other more dependable methods of documentation.
There's a surfeit of reliable documentation of the
Holocaust. There are even survivors to testify to it.

If Jesus had actually risen from the dead, what other 
kinds of evidence *would* there be but accounts of
people at the time?

You're demanding something you know is impossible on
its face and then waving the victory flag when it
isn't forthcoming as if *you* had proved something.

And BTW, that the Holocaust occurred is certainly
among the most "protected" ideas in Western culture
in terms of the social consequences of challenging
it.


> > > > You sound as religious here about your perspective
> > > > as the most fundamentalist Christian, Curtis.
> > > 
> > > That claim is bogus.  I am doing the exact opposite of
> > > a person who uses scriptural authority.  I am saying
> > > that every claim religious or not is up for discussion.
> > > This is not my perspective, it is the basis for Western 
> > > civilization.
> > 
> > And therefore not up for discussion, right?
> 
> We are discussing it.

What's not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
>
> Hey Curtis,
> 
> I pasted a link to a short 5 minute video created by my friend 
> Dennis Prager, talk show host, on what he considers the most 
> important verse of the Old Testament with regards to God, meaning, 
> and nature. You may find it interesting, food for thought:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_-E2OfFjpg

So much idiocy and suffering over the centuries,
just because humans can't deal with the concept
of "eternal." His entire theory depends upon 
there being not only a made-up thing called "God," 
but a made-up thing called "the beginning." 

If one merely postulates an eternal universe,
one without beginning or end, then there is no
need for a "creation," and no need for a 
"Creator." 

The entire need for "God" seems to come down to
humans being unable to keep from projecting the
it-began-and-someday-it-must-end-ness of their 
own puny lives onto the universe. 


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > > > "When Man ceases to worship God he does not worship
> > > > > nothing but worships everything".
> > > > 
> > > > What a fantastic quote!
> > >
> > 
> > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote: 
> > > You do realize the quote is not recommending that one
> > > stop worshiping God, but rather the opposite, right?--- In 
> > 
> > I didn't have any context for the intention of the author but found it fit 
> > my experience of dropping theism pretty well. I guess I had it all wrong. 
> > Doing a bit of research and finding this version: "The first effect of not 
> > believing in God is to believe in anything."
> > 
> > I disagree with this statement and will have to do a bit more digging to 
> > see what was meant.  I don't see how seeing God as a man made myth makes 
> > you more gullible, it made me less.
> > 
> > What I found appealing in my mistaken impression of the first quote was 
> > that appreciating the world more was one of the results of me dropping out 
> > of theism.  Life itself became holy in a naturalistic sense of the word.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In this day and age why would anyone follow a guru? 
> > > > > Enlightenment? Liberation? Burn Karma? Not likely folks,
> > > > > wake up and smell the chai
> > > > > 
> > > > > To quote the great GK Chesterton-
> > > > > 
> > > > > "When Man ceases to worship God he does not worship
> > > > > nothing but worships everything".
> > > > 
> > > > What a fantastic quote!
> > > 
> > > You do realize the quote is not recommending that one
> > > stop worshiping God, but rather the opposite, right?
> > > 
> > > (Also, it's not actually from Chesterton, but that's 
> > > another story.)
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Canyons Of Sound - for Joe/geezerfreak

[Joe]

Clearly it needs to be cleaned before playing.

Apavitra, pavitrova.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> 
> [http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/03/record_groove.jpg\
> ]
> 
> This is a single grrove on a vinyl record, magnified 1000X
>

[FairfieldLife] Chief Catholic Exorcist : Satan Is in the Vatican

[do.rflex]

Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican
>From The Times - March 11, 2010
Richard Owen in Rome

  [Gabriele Amorth, an exorcist in the diocese of Rome poses in Rome,
2005.]  Giulio Napolitano, AFP / Getty Images Rev. Gabriele Amorth, who
served as
the Catholic Church's chief exorcist for
25 years, claims the devil has infiltrated
the Vatican.
 Sex abuse scandals in the Roman Catholic Church are proof that
that "the  Devil is at work inside the Vatican", according to the Holy
See's chief  exorcist.

Father Gabriele Amorth, 85, who has been the Vatican's chief exorcist
for 25  years and says he has dealt with 70,000 cases of demonic
possession, said  that the consequences of satanic infiltration included
power struggles at  the Vatican as well as "cardinals who do not believe
in Jesus, and  bishops who are linked to the Demon".

He added: "When one speaks of 'the smoke of Satan' [a phrase coined by 
Pope Paul VI in 1972] in the holy rooms, it is all true – including
these  latest stories of violence and paedophilia."

He claimed that another example of satanic behaviour was the Vatican
"cover-up"  over the deaths in 1998 of Alois Estermann, the then
commander of the Swiss  Guard, his wife and Corporal Cedric Tornay, a
Swiss Guard, who were all  found shot dead. "They covered up everything
immediately," he  said. "Here one sees the rot".

A remarkably swift Vatican investigation concluded that Corporal Tornay
had  shot the commander and his wife and then turned his gun on himself
after  being passed over for a medal. However Tornay's relatives have
challenged  this. There have been unconfirmed reports of a homosexual
background to the  tragedy and the involvement of a fourth person who
was never identfied.

Father Amorth, who has just published Memoirs of an Exorcist, a series 
of interviews with the Vatican journalist Marco Tosatti, said that the 
attempt on the life of Pope John Paul II in 1981 had been the work of
the  Devil, as had an incident last Christmas when a mentally disturbed
woman  threw herself at Pope Benedict XVI at the start of Midnight Mass,
pulling  him to the ground.

Father José Antonio Fortea Cucurull, a Rome-based exorcist, said that
Father  Amorth had "gone well beyond the evidence" in claiming that
Satan  had infiltrated the Vatican corridors.

"Cardinals might be better or worse, but all have upright intentions and
seek the glory of God," he said. Some Vatican officials were more pious 
than others, "but from there to affirm that some cardinals are members 
of satanic sects is an unacceptable distance."

Father Amorth told La Repubblica that the devil was "pure spirit, 
invisible. But he manifests himself with blasphemies and afflictions in
the  person he possesses. He can remain hidden, or speak in different
languages,  transform himself or appear to be agreeable. At times he
makes fun of me."

He said it sometimes took six or seven of his assistants to to hold down
a  possessed person. Those possessed often yelled and screamed and spat
out  nails or pieces of glass, which he kept in a bag. "Anything can
come  out of their mouths – finger-length pieces of iron, but also
rose petals."

He said that he hoped every diocese would eventually have a resident
exorcist.  Under Church Canon Law any priest can perform exorcisms, but
in practice  they are carried out by a chosen few trained in the rites.

Father Amorth was ordained in 1954 and became an official exorcist in
1986. In  the past he has suggested that Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin
were possessed  by the Devil. He was among Vatican officials who warned
that J. K. Rowling's  Harry Potter novels made a "false distinction
between black and white  magic".

He approves, however, of the 1973 film The Exorcist, which although
"exaggerated"  offered a "substantially exact" picture of possession.

In 2001 he objected to the introduction of a new version of the exorcism
rite,  complaining that it dropped centuries-old prayers and was "a
blunt sword"  about which exorcists themselves had not been consulted.
The Vatican said  later that he and other exorcists could continue to
use the old ritual.

He is the president of honour of the Association of Exorcists.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7056689.ece

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India

[sgrayatlarge]

Hey Curtis,

I pasted a link to a short 5 minute video created by my friend Dennis Prager, 
talk show host, on what he considers the most important verse of the Old 
Testament with regards to God, meaning, and nature. You may find it 
interesting, food for thought:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_-E2OfFjpg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> 
> > > > "When Man ceases to worship God he does not worship
> > > > nothing but worships everything".
> > > 
> > > What a fantastic quote!
> >
> 
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote: 
> > You do realize the quote is not recommending that one
> > stop worshiping God, but rather the opposite, right?--- In 
> 
> I didn't have any context for the intention of the author but found it fit my 
> experience of dropping theism pretty well. I guess I had it all wrong. Doing 
> a bit of research and finding this version: "The first effect of not 
> believing in God is to believe in anything."
> 
> I disagree with this statement and will have to do a bit more digging to see 
> what was meant.  I don't see how seeing God as a man made myth makes you more 
> gullible, it made me less.
> 
> What I found appealing in my mistaken impression of the first quote was that 
> appreciating the world more was one of the results of me dropping out of 
> theism.  Life itself became holy in a naturalistic sense of the word.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In this day and age why would anyone follow a guru? 
> > > > Enlightenment? Liberation? Burn Karma? Not likely folks,
> > > > wake up and smell the chai
> > > > 
> > > > To quote the great GK Chesterton-
> > > > 
> > > > "When Man ceases to worship God he does not worship
> > > > nothing but worships everything".
> > > 
> > > What a fantastic quote!
> > 
> > You do realize the quote is not recommending that one
> > stop worshiping God, but rather the opposite, right?
> > 
> > (Also, it's not actually from Chesterton, but that's 
> > another story.)
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Tweetsii for your iPhone?

[cardemaister]

http://www.tweetsii.com/info/index.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The immense value of being on a long-rounding program

[sgrayatlarge]

Ha! I'm sure General Patton find this pretty funny.

Didn't Patton also say " America loves a winner and will not tolerate a loser, 
because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans?"

or America loves a rounder, and will not tolerate missing a program, because 
the very thought of missing a program is simply...well unstressing"

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
> >
> > Poster in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome
> > March 8-10, 2010
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Speaking to a rounding course, Maharishi emphasized the immense value 
> > of being on a long rounding program.
> > 
> > "It's such a great opportunity.  It's such a great opportunity to 
> > start living this knowledge.  That is why I'm emphasizing every day:  
> > Be with the routine.  Be with the routine.  Every moment is so 
> > precious.  One would not know at what moment what big block can slide 
> > away, and leave one absolutely free.  One would not know.  There is 
> > no way to know that this is the last stroke and it's going to finish 
> > next moment.
> > 
> > "It's not necessary to linger on.  Any time it could just flash, and 
> > done with it.  Finished.|"
> > 
> > Maharishi, 1971
> > 
> > Maharishi ended this lecture by saying:
> > 
> > "Nothing would distract us from one-pointedness of our daily 
> > routine.  And then we'll see how bright we come out.  Very great.  
> > Absolutely very, very precious; most fortunate.  And great, in every 
> > way."
> >
> 
> Om, Jai!
> 
> Yes,
> 
> One thing that some of us will be able to say that we can thank God about
> when asked, "What did you do in the great war of world consciousness?" 
> Some of us won't have to say,  "Oh, I had quit and shoveled shit technical 
> writing in New Jersey instead."
> 
> JGD,
> -Buck in FF
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swami Nithyananda Sex Scandal (Watch Video) | India

[sgrayatlarge]

"I do not believe in an afterlife, although I am bringing a change of 
underwear."

- Woody Allen


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
> >
> > He rocks because he's wise, something that's very refreshing 
> > around here. Maybe he represents an adult level of Christianity 
> > that is rarely seen or reported, only Sunday school jibberish 
> > that seems to resonant with the the cultural creatives who 
> > couldn't be bothered by all matters serious or again dare I 
> > say Adult.
> 
> You can call being "serious" anything you want.
> If "Adult" is what you think of, more power to ya.
> 
> I consider the desire to be "serious," or even 
> sadder the desire "to be taken seriously" two of
> the *banes* of adulthood. It's a *loss*, not a 
> gain. Chesterton *nails* it, in only four words.
> Seriousness is NOT a virtue. There is nothing on
> this planet or any other that is improved one iota
> by "taking it seriously" or getting all "serious"
> in the face of it.
> 
> The wisest people I have ever met in my life all
> shared one quality -- they were FUNNY. They laughed
> a lot. And at the strangest things, things that
> others around them thought were so "serious" that
> they just "must" take them "seriously," or be
> thought "not an adult."  
> 
> You are really preaching to the wrong person if you
> hope to elevate "adulthood" and "being serious" up
> onto the pedestal of virtue with me. I have written
> whole tracts on the spiritual value of FUN and 
> laughter, and will do so again. Here's one of them:
> http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/rtm31.html
> 
> I am helping to raise a young girl, currently 13
> months old, who is blessedly one of the happiest,
> most consistently joyful beings I have ever run
> across. I consider it my job to help her *preserve*
> that as she grows into adulthood, not *lose* it to
> some misguided sense of needing to be "serious," 
> or worse, "to be taken seriously." 
> 
> Those who cannot laugh at the things they value most
> have IMO lost their way. I can think of nothing in
> the universe more sad than believing that being
> "serious" is an improvement over being happy and
> full of joy and ready -- and able -- to laugh at 
> every moment.
> 
> YMMV. Clearly, it seems to. G.K. Chesterton is on
> *my* side in this one, Bucko. He was described by 
> his friends and loved ones as one of the lightest,
> more consistently funny and cheerful individuals 
> they ever met. There was *nothing* in philosophy
> or in religion that he could not -- and did not --
> laugh at. None of that got in the way of even 
> serious people like yourself considering him wise. 
> Now that is my kinda "adult."
> 
> Chesterton was a big guy - 6'4" tall and weighing
> close to 300 pounds. Once he remarked to his friend 
> George Bernard Shaw, "To look at you, anyone would 
> think there was a famine in England." Shaw retorted, 
> "To look at you, anyone would think you caused it."
> P. G. Wodehouse once described a very loud crash as 
> "a sound like Chesterton falling onto a sheet of tin."
> 
> G.K. Chesterton was *loved* by his friends and family,
> and even by the people he debated against, such as 
> Shaw. He seems to have lived a long and happy life.
> My bet is that his ability to *not* take everything
> "seriously* is what enabled that happy life, not
> something that stood in the way of it.
>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In this day and age why would anyone follow a guru? 
> > > > > Enlightenment? Liberation? Burn Karma? Not likely folks, 
> > > > > wake up and smell the chai
> > > > > 
> > > > > To quote the great GK Chesterton-
> > > > > 
> > > > > "When Man ceases to worship God he does not worship nothing 
> > > > > but worships everything".
> > > > 
> > > > What a fantastic quote!
> > > 
> > > G,K. Chesterton rocks! I was first turned on to him by
> > > Christians on a Bruce Cockburn mailing list (which kinda
> > > qualifies them as being a bit Not Yer Ordinary Christians).
> > > One of them used to sign his posts with a .sig file from
> > > Chesterton, which knocked my socks off the first time I
> > > read it and does still today:
> > > 
> > > "Seriousness is not a virtue."
> > > 
> > > Chesterton is FUNNY. How many Christian philosophers can
> > > you say that about? The man had a level of *mirth* about
> > > him that made his deep faith in Christ and his teachings
> > > almost lovable.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Suggestions for Vedic City, MUM and Fairfield Iowa/Lou Valentino

[m 13]

There 
IS
so much beauty in the world
 
Intake all that is good
All that is good is from God
receive the good
 
Is exclusion 
God's intent?
If we, being One,
exclude,
then are we not dividing
and denying the Divine intent of Oneness
and unity?
 
Unity
 
Peace
 
Is not enlightenment the realization of the Sight of all being One and Light
 
I question quietly, but now aloud,
why is a hugging saint not 
Included as good
and of Divine intent 
 
and others
all One
we are!
 
why exclude, it is not acknowledging the beauty of God's intent in All
 
 
intake all God has intended for Us
 
let it do it's work of beauty in us 
 
 
love,
Meow
 
 
 
 


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> The greater FFL truth about Turq is, he's a CIA operative.  
> A Jason Borne James Bond spy.  Going to Houston?  He posein' 
> as a 'writer' in Spanish resort towns/  Says he got contracts 
> with big company.  You bet, Blackwater in Houston.  He's clearly 
> a Blackwater man.  MMY saw through Turq's soul years ago and 
> squeezed him out then. Uncovered him.  Remember MMY talking 
> about CIA?  It evidently was Turq and his friends.

My code name is 'Eric Cartman.' :-)

Actually, the real truth is that *Maharishi* was
a CIA operative. 

Back in the 60's, the CIA looked around at the new 
touchy-feely, peace-love-got-a-quarter? generation
and realized that these people were UNAMERICAN,
and a threat to the future of the United States.

Knowing that killing them outright was not an option,
the CIA recruited Maharishi and together they came 
up with a plan to keep these bright but potentially
dangerous people from *ever* accomplishing anything
with their lives. Thus was born the modern TM move-
ment. Some would say that it accomplished its secret
objectives admirably.

If it weren't for Maharishi, many of them might have
gone into real careers...even politics...and who knows
what might have happened then? The commies could be
running things. 

But instead many thousands of them became TM teachers
and pissed their money and their lives away for decades
pursuing "spiritual" goals that never seemed to work
out as advertised.

It was a brilliant plan. And the safety of America was 
preserved, free from touchy-feely commies.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[Buck]

> 
> 
> TurquoiseB:
> > OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
> > travelers or even...gulp!...Texans.
> > 
> > I have to spend several nights in...gulp!...Houston,
> > Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
> > through on the Interstate.
> > 
> > If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
> > Houston. 
> > 
> > IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
> > stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
> > walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
> > bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
> > to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
> > please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
> > Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
> > hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
> > in the worst part of town.  :-)
> >
> There's a Motel 6 out on Highway 290 West. It's in
> the best part of town, in other words, out of town.
>


The greater FFL truth about Turq is, he's a CIA operative.  A Jason Borne James 
Bond spy.  Going to Houston?  He posein' as a 'writer' in Spanish resort towns/ 
 Says he got contracts with big company.  You bet, Blackwater in Houston.  He's 
clearly a Blackwater man.  MMY saw through Turq's soul years ago and squeezed 
him out then. Uncovered him.  Remember MMY talking about CIA?  It evidently was 
Turq and his friends. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: The immense value of being on a long-rounding program

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
>
> Poster in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome
> March 8-10, 2010
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Speaking to a rounding course, Maharishi emphasized the immense value 
> of being on a long rounding program.
> 
> "It's such a great opportunity.  It's such a great opportunity to 
> start living this knowledge.  That is why I'm emphasizing every day:  
> Be with the routine.  Be with the routine.  Every moment is so 
> precious.  One would not know at what moment what big block can slide 
> away, and leave one absolutely free.  One would not know.  There is 
> no way to know that this is the last stroke and it's going to finish 
> next moment.
> 
> "It's not necessary to linger on.  Any time it could just flash, and 
> done with it.  Finished.|"
> 
> Maharishi, 1971
> 
> Maharishi ended this lecture by saying:
> 
> "Nothing would distract us from one-pointedness of our daily 
> routine.  And then we'll see how bright we come out.  Very great.  
> Absolutely very, very precious; most fortunate.  And great, in every 
> way."
>

Om, Jai!

Yes,

One thing that some of us will be able to say that we can thank God about
when asked, "What did you do in the great war of world consciousness?" 
Some of us won't have to say,  "Oh, I had quit and shoveled shit technical 
writing in New Jersey instead."

JGD,
-Buck in FF

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Howard Stern talking about TM yesterday

[Dick Mays]

From: Ken Chawkin 

Passing this on to you. It was sent to me from a friend. His comments.
Download File. Only available till the end of the week.


This audio recording is of a section of yesterday morning's Howard Stern
show in which he talked about TM - influential and amusing!!

Thought you might find this amusing.  It caused a big increase in contacts
to our call center.  95% is Howard joking about his mother bugging him about
whether he meditates or not; then Robin talks about Carl Rove and Tiger
Woods, and then the last 30 seconds are the great plug.  What a goof ball.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Suggestions for Vedic City, MUM and Fairfield Iowa/Lou Valentino

[m 13]

This is the most senscient , sane thing I have heard in a long time.
 
 
Sit down
and 
chew on this for a while and let it digest.
 
 
selah
 
 
peace
 
-M


  

[FairfieldLife] Canyons Of Sound - for Joe/geezerfreak

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