[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Doug: which is corroborated by discoveries in modern physics and neuroscience, reveals an underlying cause: the build up of acute stress in the collective consciousness of societies, which fuels violence in the actions of man and imbalance in the events of nature. Me: There are scientific principles and theories in play here. The most important one is our mind's quest for order and explanation in a complex world. We see forms and shapes in random clouds and Jesus in a taco. It is what our mind does when faced with randomness or complexity. It is effortless and unconscious. The world seems like a safer, more understandable place if we can associate the thoughts we have in our heads with bad things like war and natural disasters. Oh, the opium of believing we can prevent these things from happening with our all powerful minds, like magic. And if you just spouted some religious belief that makes you feel all comfy inside, I wouldn't be tempted to write. But you had to throw in the term science, perverting its meaning in a dishonest attempt to prop up religious beliefs as if they were based on established scientific method derived theories. This is wrong. I know who you learned it from. The spin master himself. And this thoery that victimizes the victim, as if the people of Japan had it coming from all their stress and imbalance compared to any other people in the world is sick. Do you really think that all the people in the drought in Africa deserve this? Well, the Hindu belief system does. And I guess as a pseudo-outcaste Hindu you might share the belief that all is well and wisely put, that no child dying in pain didn't earn it in a past life. And as much as I find that view repugnant, it doesn't rise to the level of deceptive communication as asserting that any of this nonsense is scientifically based. Own your beliefs. You believe spiritual claims because it makes sense to you and it makes you feel good. Fair enough. But you can drop the drop the pseudo-scientific 3 out of 4 dentists surveyed posturing. It just doesn't fly anymore. Golly, what a grump. You were a philosophy major? Science grows out of doubt. Religion grows out of wonder. Between the two is philosophy; it has not yet decided -- it goes on hanging between doubt and wonder. Sometimes the philosopher doubts and sometimes the philosopher wonders: he is just in between. If he doubts too much, by and by he becomes a scientist. If he wonders too much, by and by he becomes religious. That's why philosophy is disappearing from the world -- because ninety-nine percent of philosophers have become scientists. And one person -- a Buber somewhere, or a Krishnamurti somewhere, or a Suzuki somewhere -- great minds, great penetrating intellects, they have become religious. Philosophy is almost losing its ground. Osho.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Well, the Hindu belief system does. And I guess as a pseudo-outcaste Hindu you might share the belief that all is well and wisely put, that no child dying in pain didn't earn it in a past life. And as much as I find that view repugnant, it doesn't rise to the level of deceptive communication as asserting that any of this nonsense is scientifically based. Curtis, you can do better than that. The Hindu belief system isn't meant to be judgmental, the Hindu belief system doesn't say anything about not helping the child. Science and philosophy has no answers as to why that child is dying in pain nor does religion. Both science and religion would try to compassionately help the child in pain. The theory of Karma isn't to explain any answers, it is to learn surrender, that there are complex mysterious forces at play - as to why certain people suffer while others thrive. It empowers us to avoid the suffering that comes from pain, by holding you responsible for your suffering and providing you tools to overcome this suffering.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
Science grows out of doubt. Religion grows out of wonder. Between the two is philosophy; it has not yet decided -- it goes on hanging between doubt and wonder. Sometimes the philosopher doubts and sometimes the philosopher wonders: he is just in between. If he doubts too much, by and by he becomes a scientist. If he wonders too much, by and by he becomes religious. That's why philosophy is disappearing from the world -- because ninety-nine percent of philosophers have become scientists. And one person -- a Buber somewhere, or a Krishnamurti somewhere, or a Suzuki somewhere -- great minds, great penetrating intellects, they have become religious. Philosophy is almost losing its ground. Osho. But when/if LHC, a bit oxymoronically, discovers the final chandas (RSi-devataa-chandas), at least physicists are kinda forced to become religious?? http://project-cernland.web.cern.ch/project-CERNland/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: Science grows out of doubt. Religion grows out of wonder. Between the two is philosophy; it has not yet decided -- it goes on hanging between doubt and wonder. Sometimes the philosopher doubts and sometimes the philosopher wonders: he is just in between. If he doubts too much, by and by he becomes a scientist. If he wonders too much, by and by he becomes religious. That's why philosophy is disappearing from the world -- because ninety-nine percent of philosophers have become scientists. And one person -- a Buber somewhere, or a Krishnamurti somewhere, or a Suzuki somewhere -- great minds, great penetrating intellects, they have become religious. Philosophy is almost losing its ground. Osho. But when/if LHC, a bit oxymoronically, discovers the final chandas (RSi-devataa-chandas), at least physicists are kinda forced to become religious?? http://project-cernland.web.cern.ch/project-CERNland/ Well the deeper the more intelligent physicists study the Universe, the more answers and a sense of wonder they are left with. It's only the eunuch idiotic philosophers like Curtis that make a lot of noise. That's why my Lover Pimp (LMNOP) scale has been such a wonderful practical invention in weeding out pimps(intellectuals) from lovers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How does..............
Plastic surgery? : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: one go from having such an fresh and innocent face to becoming such an example of excess. (at least IMHO) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2029222/Kim-Kardashian-Kris-Humphries-pictures-Before-famous.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: Science grows out of doubt. Religion grows out of wonder. Between the two is philosophy; it has not yet decided -- it goes on hanging between doubt and wonder. Sometimes the philosopher doubts and sometimes the philosopher wonders: he is just in between. If he doubts too much, by and by he becomes a scientist. If he wonders too much, by and by he becomes religious. That's why philosophy is disappearing from the world -- because ninety-nine percent of philosophers have become scientists. And one person -- a Buber somewhere, or a Krishnamurti somewhere, or a Suzuki somewhere -- great minds, great penetrating intellects, they have become religious. Philosophy is almost losing its ground. Osho. But when/if LHC, a bit oxymoronically, discovers the final chandas (RSi-devataa-chandas), at least physicists are kinda forced to become religious?? http://project-cernland.web.cern.ch/project-CERNland/ What a bunch of arrogant, pretentious religionist crap, both from Osho and from Card. Religion isn't about wonder, it's about it's opposite, certainty, or belief in either a dogma or an inner vision caused by believing that dogma. At least Card is honest about what he really feels -- he wants to *force* scientists to believe in religion. That's the whole problem with TM science in a nutshell, the 'tude that We already know the truth, because religion has told it to us. All we need to do now is find some way to cook the data to make it look as if science agrees with us. Then all those other scientists will finally have to agree with us, because we were RIGHT all along. Fortunately, many scientists prefer to remain scientists, and leave the religion to the gullible. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/08/23/a-higgs-setback-did-stephen-hawking-just-win-the-most-outrageous-bet-in-physics-history/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Doug: which is corroborated by discoveries in modern physics and neuroscience, reveals an underlying cause: the build up of acute stress in the collective consciousness of societies, which fuels violence in the actions of man and imbalance in the events of nature. Me: There are scientific principles and theories in play here. The most important one is our mind's quest for order and explanation in a complex world. We see forms and shapes in random clouds and Jesus in a taco. It is what our mind does when faced with randomness or complexity. It is effortless and unconscious. The world seems like a safer, more understandable place if we can associate the thoughts we have in our heads with bad things like war and natural disasters. Oh, the opium of believing we can prevent these things from happening with our all powerful minds, like magic. And if you just spouted some religious belief that makes you feel all comfy inside, I wouldn't be tempted to write. But you had to throw in the term science, perverting its meaning in a dishonest attempt to prop up religious beliefs as if they were based on established scientific method derived theories. This is wrong. I know who you learned it from. The spin master himself. And this thoery that victimizes the victim, as if the people of Japan had it coming from all their stress and imbalance compared to any other people in the world is sick. Do you really think that all the people in the drought in Africa deserve this? Well, the Hindu belief system does. And I guess as a pseudo-outcaste Hindu you might share the belief that all is well and wisely put, that no child dying in pain didn't earn it in a past life. And as much as I find that view repugnant, it doesn't rise to the level of deceptive communication as asserting that any of this nonsense is scientifically based. Own your beliefs. You believe spiritual claims because it makes sense to you and it makes you feel good. Fair enough. But you can drop the drop the pseudo-scientific 3 out of 4 dentists surveyed posturing. It just doesn't fly anymore. Golly, what a grump. You were a philosophy major? Philosophy is just intellectual gymnastics, it has nothing to do with reality. It talks, argues, creates magnificent systems of thought, but it does not change the man who is creating all this. He remains the same man. Osho. Ravi Yogi - he remains the same man, stumped, stunned and stunted by his intellectual hard-ons, a pimp (intellectual) in a co-dependent relationship with the whore (intellect).
[FairfieldLife] On Sanskrit in Latin!
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niels_Ludwig_Westergaard Mr. Westergaard, a Danish orientalist, or somesuch, wrote about Sanskrit verbal roots (dhaatu_s) in Latin: http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/Westergaard/disp/index.php?section=32 Sample (last time translated Latin over/almost, whoa, 40 years ago?): Brevitatis causa Panini aut invenit aut prioribus grammatics recepit signa quedam, quea, 'anubandha' sive 'it' [*not* English 'it' - card] dicta, in grammatica ejus explicata sunt. For the sake of brevity, PaaNini either came up with or got from previous grammarians some signs(?), called 'anubandha' or 'it', that are explained in his grammar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Science grows out of doubt. Religion grows out of wonder. Between the two is philosophy; it has not yet decided -- it goes on hanging between doubt and wonder. Sometimes the philosopher doubts and sometimes the philosopher wonders: he is just in between. If he doubts too much, by and by he becomes a scientist. If he wonders too much, by and by he becomes religious. That's why philosophy is disappearing from the world -- because ninety-nine percent of philosophers have become scientists. And one person -- a Buber somewhere, or a Krishnamurti somewhere, or a Suzuki somewhere -- great minds, great penetrating intellects, they have become religious. Philosophy is almost losing its ground. Osho. But when/if LHC, a bit oxymoronically, discovers the final chandas (RSi-devataa-chandas), at least physicists are kinda forced to become religious?? http://project-cernland.web.cern.ch/project-CERNland/ What a bunch of arrogant, pretentious religionist crap, both from Osho and from Card. Religion isn't about wonder, it's about it's opposite, certainty, or belief in either a dogma or an inner vision caused by believing that dogma. At least Card is honest about what he really feels -- he wants to *force* scientists to believe in religion. That's the whole problem with TM science in a nutshell, the 'tude that We already know the truth, because religion has told it to us. All we need to do now is find some way to cook the data to make it look as if science agrees with us. Then all those other scientists will finally have to agree with us, because we were RIGHT all along. Fortunately, many scientists prefer to remain scientists, and leave the religion to the gullible. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/08/23/a-higgs-setbac\ k-did-stephen-hawking-just-win-the-most-outrageous-bet-in-physics-histor\ y/ I quoted that Osho quote you low-vibe slime ball bitch(Bhakta). May be you have hang up with the word religion, let's use spirituality then. Spirituality is not belief you retard, it is about wonder. Just a because of bunch of cultists liked you reduce religion to belief doesn't make it so. Now you are the same Cultist Wolf in Skeptic Sheep garb.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Science grows out of doubt. Religion grows out of wonder. Between the two is philosophy; it has not yet decided -- it goes on hanging between doubt and wonder. Sometimes the philosopher doubts and sometimes the philosopher wonders: he is just in between. If he doubts too much, by and by he becomes a scientist. If he wonders too much, by and by he becomes religious. That's why philosophy is disappearing from the world -- because ninety-nine percent of philosophers have become scientists. And one person -- a Buber somewhere, or a Krishnamurti somewhere, or a Suzuki somewhere -- great minds, great penetrating intellects, they have become religious. Philosophy is almost losing its ground. Osho. But when/if LHC, a bit oxymoronically, discovers the final chandas (RSi-devataa-chandas), at least physicists are kinda forced to become religious?? http://project-cernland.web.cern.ch/project-CERNland/ What a bunch of arrogant, pretentious religionist crap, both from Osho and from Card. Religion isn't about wonder, it's about it's opposite, certainty, or belief in either a dogma or an inner vision caused by believing that dogma. At least Card is honest about what he really feels -- he wants to *force* scientists to believe in religion. That's the whole problem with TM science in a nutshell, the 'tude that We already know the truth, because religion has told it to us. All we need to do now is find some way to cook the data to make it look as if science agrees with us. Then all those other scientists will finally have to agree with us, because we were RIGHT all along. Fortunately, many scientists prefer to remain scientists, and leave the religion to the gullible. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/08/23/a-higgs-setback-did-stephen-hawking-just-win-the-most-outrageous-bet-in-physics-history/ Interesting to note that the creator of the theory of the so-called God particle would probably be opposed to Card's notion. From Wikipedia: As an atheist, Higgs is reported to be displeased that the particle is nicknamed the God particle. Higgs is afraid the term might offend people who are religious. This nickname for the Higgs boson is usually attributed to Leon Lederman, but it is actually the result of Lederman's publisher's censoring. Originally Lederman intended to call it the goddamn particle, because of its elusiveness. [Isn't it interesting that an editor managed to change the entire concept of something by correcting it?] When oh when are so-called scientists going to admit, to themselves and to the world, that they bring a whole host of beliefs to their science, and that the beliefs win out over the science most of the time? I'm with Curtis in condemning the perversion of the term science as practiced by TMers and by others who are merely using the cover of science to attempt to get others to believe the things they believe. The last paragraph of the Scientific American article seems to me a backhanded form of this. First, it assumes the same thing that has gotten almost every physicist in history into this pickle in the first place -- that there was a first creation. Without that concept, there is *no need* to examine a question like Where did matter (mass) come from? In a non-created eternal universe, matter has always been, and has always existed in a relational way with energy, swapping costumes eternally. It's only the human *belief* that there was a time that matter did not exist that causes scientists to pursue this whole boondoggle. But then the closet True Believer in the SciAm author comes out, and he reacts to the failure of the LHC to pinpoint a creation that may never have happened by proposing an even bigger experiment, at an even more astronomical cost. Can you say Keep paying my salary, and in fact give me and my colleagues even more money so that we can continue to try to 'prove' our beliefs? I think you can. When it comes to extorting money so that they can continue to ponder their beliefs, scientists are often even better at it that religionists. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Secret of Levitation BBC for summer time lurkers
Its summertime And the livin' is easy Fish are jumpin' And the cotton is high The paranormal has fascinated believers and irritated sceptics for decades. Over the centuries, Indian gurus, Christian saints, psychics and others have been reputed to possess the ability to levitate. Science has now shown that levitation is possible through technological means. This BBCseries uses archive video, expert interview, dramatic reconstruction and personal testimony to demystify strange phenomena and explore popular mythology in terms of current scientific understanding.and ask: Could an ancient myth become reality? Now is this how yogis in India have been doing it for thousands of years? http://img.youtube.com/vi/etSivpBHUmE/2.jpg The all-knowing BBC believed that nobody dared to ask Maharishi Mahesh Yogi if he can and will/have use(d) his levitation skills? lol (actually a question from the 60s asked already during his India tours) check part 2-4 with MMY, and of course Hagelin, and ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5sxax2CvE0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly4z2Hm8jSofeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnTmfqUKhMfeature=related YouTube Direktlink BBC - Secret of Levitation Part II starting with the Indian rope trick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly4z2Hm8jSo BBC - Secret of Levitation Part IV YouTube Direktlink http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flozwhpKkC0p=9D8C94795A1E2482 BBC - Secret of Levitation Part V YouTube Direktlink http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7MYWfM-opk BBC - Secret of Levitation Part VI YouTube Direktlink http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3IP3YH2_XMfeature=related One of these mornings You're going to rise up singing Then you'll spread your wings And you'll take to the sky So hush little baby Don't you cry 2011 BBC Horizon explores the strange and wonderful world of illusions - and reveals the tricks they play on our senses and why they fool us. Among other shows how easy it is to trick your sense of taste by changing the colours of food and drink, explain how what you see can change what you hear, and see just how unreliable our sense of colour can be. But all this trickery seems to have a serious purpose. It's helping scientists to create a new understanding of how our senses work - not as individual senses, but connected together.
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[FairfieldLife] What would proof of levitation actually prove?
merudanda said in a previous post: The paranormal has fascinated believers and irritated sceptics for decades. Over the centuries, Indian gurus, Christian saints, psychics and others have been reputed to possess the ability to levitate. One of the things that I find curious about this fascination is that I don't quite get it. WHY are people fascinated by levitation? WHAT, if they witnessed it themselves, would be the payoff for them in levitation? If it were proved by science to be possible, on a physical level, WHAT would that prove for them with regard to their own beliefs? Again, what would be the payoff that people imagine at the end of this fascination with levitation? I ask because I've been there, done that. I've witnessed what appeared to be real levitation, one dude hanging in mid-air in exactly the way that a brick doesn't, long enough to deliver whole dharma talks while perched there. No bouncy-bouncy, just stepping up off of the sand in the desert and hanging there in mid-air, so effortlessly that whatever energy may have been required to perform the levitation didn't even distract him from giving a pretty good lecture. Did it really happen, on a physical level? Can't tell you. I think it's safe to assume that I saw *something*, because 1) I saw it repeatedly, dozens of times over a 14-year period, 2) I wasn't alone in seeing it, because literally thousands of others witnessed and attested to having seen exactly the same thing, in the same circumstances. So as far as I'm concerned, I actually witnessed levitation. But would a video camera have recorded what I saw, or would scales on which the levitator was standing before lifting off suddenly flatline *as* he lifted off? I honestly don't know, but my suspicion is No. My personal theory is that what I saw took place on an alternate plane of reality, one that is not perceived by most people. I base this theory on the fact that 1) not everybody in the group saw him levitate every time I did, and vice-versa, 2) I have experienced alternate realities in other contexts (none of which involved drugs), and 3) this theory preserves what I saw while accounting for the energy field I experienced while witnessing levitation. That energy field was intense, and IMO would be as likely to take place when opening a consciousness window into a parallel reality as it would be if physical levitation had taken place. But enough about my experience; what about yours? If you suddenly witnessed full, no-question-about-it levitation, what would that prove to you? I've witnessed it, and it doesn't prove diddley-squat to me. It was Just Another Experience. Although a pleasant experience, as far as I can tell having the experience changed nothing in me. It *certainly* didn't prove anything. The vast majority of you reading this don't believe that I ever witnessed anything of the kind, and you wouldn't believe it if I brought in several thousand of Rama's students to say the same thing. You'd find some way to disbelieve it, because it didn't happen according to the ways you think it can happen (or not happen). If I were able to show you videotapes, you'd believe the same thing. But suppose it happened the way *you* would like to see it happen. A long-time TMer, hopefully one who is still On The Program, gently lifts off the foam and hangs ten in mid-air for some minutes. Not only do others see this, he demonstrates the ability to do it repeatedly, so scientists (both TM scientists and real scientists) rush in, measure the dude, and declare, Yup. He's levitating. We can't explain it, but we have measured it by objective means enough to be able to say it's happening. So what would that DO for you? What do you think it would prove, about TM, about your belief system, or about you? Do you think most people in the world would accept it, or even care? My bet is that most would find a way to dismiss it entirely, just as you guys have written off my experiences. The Randis would cry Fraud! and the skeptics would find a way to discredit the scientists, and the vast majority would just say, Big deal. So what? I think the reason that they would feel this way is that they have nothing *invested* in the idea of levitation, or in the idea that its existence would prove anything. The people who would care would be people who were *heavily* invested in some belief system, in which the truth of levitation has been presented as proving the truth of their whole belief system. Some TMers would probably react to levitation being proved by believing *everything else* that the TMO told them, including bullshit like it matters which way you enter a building or that the Indian caste system is a good thing. They're *that* invested in the belief system. Prove one thing about it true, and in their minds everything about it becomes true. They'd react to levitation being proved with a loud inner (and probably outer as well) cry of, Take that, you skeptics. Eat Crow. We were RIGHT and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
Yep, Technicolor Consciousness, that's always been my experience of it in the super-collider of the Fairfield Dome program. -Buck But if the Higgs doesn't exist, where does mass in the universe come from? Theories that go beyond the standard model of particle physics (of which the Higgs is the keystonethe one missing piece needed to explain how the universe we know came to be) may be necessary. Steven Weinberg, who in his landmark 1967 paper on the unification of the electromagnetic and the weak interactions had made key use of the Higgs for breaking the symmetry and separating the electromagnetic from the weak forces, has since gone beyond the standard model in his research. Weinberg has proposed a theory called Technicolor, within which the primeval symmetry of our universe can be broken through a different mechanism than the action of the elusive Higgs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/08/23/a-higgs-setback-did-stephen-hawking-just-win-the-most-outrageous-bet-in-physics-history/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Science grows out of doubt. Religion grows out of wonder. Between the two is philosophy; it has not yet decided -- it goes on hanging between doubt and wonder. Sometimes the philosopher doubts and sometimes the philosopher wonders: he is just in between. If he doubts too much, by and by he becomes a scientist. If he wonders too much, by and by he becomes religious. That's why philosophy is disappearing from the world -- because ninety-nine percent of philosophers have become scientists. And one person -- a Buber somewhere, or a Krishnamurti somewhere, or a Suzuki somewhere -- great minds, great penetrating intellects, they have become religious. Philosophy is almost losing its ground. Osho. But when/if LHC, a bit oxymoronically, discovers the final chandas (RSi-devataa-chandas), at least physicists are kinda forced to become religious?? http://project-cernland.web.cern.ch/project-CERNland/ What a bunch of arrogant, pretentious religionist crap, both from Osho and from Card. Religion isn't about wonder, it's about it's opposite, certainty, or belief in either a dogma or an inner vision caused by believing that dogma. At least Card is honest about what he really feels -- he wants to *force* scientists to believe in religion. That's the whole problem with TM science in a nutshell, the 'tude that We already know the truth, because religion has told it to us. All we need to do now is find some way to cook the data to make it look as if science agrees with us. Then all those other scientists will finally have to agree with us, because we were RIGHT all along. Fortunately, many scientists prefer to remain scientists, and leave the religion to the gullible. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/08/23/a-higgs-setback-did-stephen-hawking-just-win-the-most-outrageous-bet-in-physics-history/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/08/23/a-higgs-setback-did-stephen-hawking-just-win-the-most-outrageous-bet-in-physics-history/ As the gravity defying YF (Sanskrit: aakaasha-gamanam) is mainly based on aakaasha, perhaps Western physicist should try to figger out, WTF it is!? A linguistic hint: gam = to go; aa-gam = to come daa = to give; aa-daa = to take kaash = to shine, etc; aa-kaash* = to shine inwards??? LoL! * verbal root of the noun 'aakaasha'
[FairfieldLife] Re: Earthquake in Virginia
Thank you for fact checking. The scenario below makes sense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: If I am not mistaken, it is not recommended to take shelter underneath tables or desks. Better to be beside them as you are more likely to be crushed being under them. I think that's the case. Don't have time to fact check right now. I was just reading an article about the earthquake, and it said the advice not to get under anything, which I had also seen somewhere, has been strongly disputed; it referred to an article on good old Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/triangle.asp Snopes quotes American Red Cross officials saying this advice is relevant only if a building pancakes, which is unlikely in the U.S. The guy who wrote the advice based it on earthquake studies in Turkey, where building construction is shoddy and pancaking is frequent in earthquakes. Also, he based the advice on a study that didn't actually simulate the shaking of an earthquake, it just pulled the columns of the test building down, which gives a very different pattern of collapse. And finally, he made claims about his own credentials that are highly suspect. So Snopes says to take the guy's recommendation with very large grains of salt. The Red Cross continues to advise getting under a table or other piece of furniture rather than lying down beside it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How does..............
You know, she still does have quite a pretty face. Her sisters? Not so much. I guess her claim to fame is her sex tape. I haven't seen, but evidently that is what she is famous for. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Plastic surgery? : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: one go from having such an fresh and innocent face to becoming such an example of excess. (at least IMHO) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2029222/Kim-Kardashian-Kris\ -Humphries-pictures-Before-famous.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: How does..............
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: You know, she still does have quite a pretty face. Her sisters? Not so much. I guess her claim to fame is her sex tape. I haven't seen, but evidently that is what she is famous for. This is one of those situations that is amusing for me because living where I live and seeing US trends only on the Internet, I have no idea who the she in question is. I know the name and have a vague impression of what her face looks like from sidebar stories on HuffPost and other news forums, but I have never been tempted to click on any of them. I get the impression she has sisters and that the world is somewhat fascinated by her. For all I know she may be some famous actress whose B movies I have somehow missed, but the impression I get that she's one of those people who are famous for being famous. Few, if asked, could ever come up with a reason *why* such people are famous, but famous they are. Go figure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Plastic surgery? : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: one go from having such an fresh and innocent face to becoming such an example of excess. (at least IMHO) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2029222/Kim-Kardashian-Kris\ -Humphries-pictures-Before-famous.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: What would proof of levitation actually prove?
turquoiseb: I've witnessed it, and it doesn't prove diddley-squat to me... Well, I practice levitation all the time, and it made me enlightened. That's the payoff. Your problem is that you let others do your spiritual work for you. Zen Master Rama meditated with his eyes closed and then he went 'Yogic Flying'. Incredible! In over twenty-eight years of your seeking and striving, not once did you actually transcend and enjoy a single siddhi - no payoff for you. What happened?
[FairfieldLife] Re: How does..............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: You know, she still does have quite a pretty face. Her sisters? Not so much. I guess her claim to fame is her sex tape. I haven't seen, but evidently that is what she is famous for. This is one of those situations that is amusing for me because living where I live and seeing US trends only on the Internet, I have no idea who the she in question is. I know the name and have a vague impression of what her face looks like from sidebar stories on HuffPost and other news forums, but I have never been tempted to click on any of them. I get the impression she has sisters and that the world is somewhat fascinated by her. For all I know she may be some famous actress whose B movies I have somehow missed, but the impression I get that she's one of those people who are famous for being famous. Few, if asked, could ever come up with a reason *why* such people are famous, but famous they are. Go figure. Having written the above, I was curious enough to check her out on Wikipedia, and now I'm even more convinced that she is famous for being famous. As I skim the site, it appears that her fame consists of having parlayed a leaked sex tape into a very lucrative career. Home-made porn makes good. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Plastic surgery? : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: one go from having such an fresh and innocent face to becoming such an example of excess. (at least IMHO) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2029222/Kim-Kardashian-Kris\ -Humphries-pictures-Before-famous.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantra Meditation - for Buck
Yifu: Mahatma Faqiranand...gave me the Knowledge in 1970... So, you got the Knowledge from Mahatma Fakiranand in Los Angeles. Apparently Fakiranand got into some big trouble later. I told him to be careful, but I guess he didn't understand what I was talking about. Go figure. Let's try to figure out why Turq and Vaj make these claims, but fib about MMY, who never claimed he could levitate. curtisdeltablues: Was he the guru who claimed that for thousands of dollars he could teach anyonehow to fly, Nope, that was Zen Master Rama, who hovered in the air, the guru of Turq. or was he the guy who could make dust appear from his finger tipsafter he wiped his hands on a cloth containing dust? Nope, that was Chogyam Trungpa, who made holy ash appear on the end of his Marlboro Light, the guru of Vaj. No I've got it, he was the guy who was the child guru Maharaj-ji the God-boy-savior of the world! He was never crazy enough to claim that he could teach other people to fly for thousands of dollars, but he was out there. Yep, that was Guru Mahraj-ji, who told people he could teach them to fly for thousands of dollars, the guru of nobody here. I mean really, go figure. That's what I figure - that MMY never claimed to be able to levitate. Really.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How does..............
Lets give her some attention. I first heard of her name a few months ago. LOL. I have no idea who she is, but when I read the name on this post, I associated with the sound of the name I had heard, and what little information was provided was enough to put two plus two together.. hahaha. In fact, I most likely will not remember her name again, unless a person brings it up with association of how I heard about her in the first place or if a thread like this continues (for what reason, I don't know why.) and I was absolutely clueless to what she has done, other than what I was told by someone who I can't mention. lol. ...and I can't say how I heard of her a few months ago. But I did get a kick out of how people mingle, without names. LMAO.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: You know, she still does have quite a pretty face. Her sisters? Not so much. I guess her claim to fame is her sex tape. I haven't seen, but evidently that is what she is famous for. This is one of those situations that is amusing for me because living where I live and seeing US trends only on the Internet, I have no idea who the she in question is. I know the name and have a vague impression of what her face looks like from sidebar stories on HuffPost and other news forums, but I have never been tempted to click on any of them. I get the impression she has sisters and that the world is somewhat fascinated by her. For all I know she may be some famous actress whose B movies I have somehow missed, but the impression I get that she's one of those people who are famous for being famous. Few, if asked, could ever come up with a reason *why* such people are famous, but famous they are. Go figure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Plastic surgery? : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: one go from having such an fresh and innocent face to becoming such an example of excess. (at least IMHO) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2029222/Kim-Kardashian-Kris\ -Humphries-pictures-Before-famous.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM millennial
Yep. Well of course there is a whole spectrum. Some of us are and some are not. Recently I saw Bevan and his people who are around him at a meeting and also I've directly watched and heard him speak within the year a couple of times, and yes they evidently are millenarian. Milliannial-ist. To the extent that he and they have been the right hand of the TM movement all these years and decades, then yes it is. Essentially the TM movement and TM has been and is theirs now. Certainly TM as a movement is communal at their level and millennial from the inside at that level. If it walks like a duck and quacks like one, then... in modern times, TM's a millenarian movement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes Dedicated millenarians -inspired by their intense emotional commitment to goals they view as cosmically important and by their true believer millenarian rhetoric- often seek to assist the divine process of transformation in which they believe they are participating by taking matters into their own hands rather than passively waiting for God to inaugurate His kingdom on earth. Initially, such movements may engage in relatively quiet and largely non-confrontational efforts to withdraw from what they view as the wicked world around them, in order to try to create purer, more communally cohesive groups in preparation for the anticipated millennial kingdom. - Lawrence Foster, Journal of the Communal Studies Association vol31:1,2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes are we millennialists? This is us? Millennial religious and communal movements typically anticipate the imminent and literal end of what they view as a profoundly wicked, corrupt existing world order and its replacement by a glorious new heaven and new earth, in which the first shall be last and the last first, Describing millennial groups this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary in their underlying goals and their impact upon the larger social order that they criticize so harshly --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Oh, oh..you just confirmed to Buck (and no doubt Tex) that you're in on it too Rick. Rick, in meditator typology? Naw, i know Rick, he's one of them progressive maoist meditators. Like Hagelin. As in: ...those who envision a gradually improving world (progressive millennialists--Shakers, some Marxists, many mainline Christian denominations, etc.). Your perfectionists fall within progressive millennialism, in this typology. snip Viewed broadly, TM and Maoism share a few certain characteristics as millennial movements. Of course, they diverge widely in theory, methods, and understanding of human nature. Maoism is significantly different on the violence meter, as well, but shares the TM movement's longing for (and expectation of) a perfect world. In progressive millenial perfectionism to the end Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Just learned...
... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Science grows out of doubt. Religion grows out of wonder. Between the two is philosophy; it has not yet decided -- it goes on hanging between doubt and wonder. Sometimes the philosopher doubts and sometimes the philosopher wonders: he is just in between. If he doubts too much, by and by he becomes a scientist. If he wonders too much, by and by he becomes religious. That's why philosophy is disappearing from the world -- because ninety-nine percent of philosophers have become scientists. And one person -- a Buber somewhere, or a Krishnamurti somewhere, or a Suzuki somewhere -- great minds, great penetrating intellects, they have become religious. Philosophy is almost losing its ground. Osho. But when/if LHC, a bit oxymoronically, discovers the final chandas (RSi-devataa-chandas), at least physicists are kinda forced to become religious?? http://project-cernland.web.cern.ch/project-CERNland/ What a bunch of arrogant, pretentious religionist crap, Oh, stop posturing. You brag endlessly about seeing Lentz levitate and speculate about the feat taking place in an alternate plane of reality that can be perceived only by certain Special People (yourself included, of course), and you call religionists arrogant? both from Osho and from Card. Religion isn't about wonder, it's about it's opposite, certainty, or belief in either a dogma or an inner vision caused by believing that dogma. But only because that's how you narrowly define it for the purpose of dumping on it and exalting yourself. For many people it *is* about wonder and never leads to certainty or dogma. At least Card is honest about what he really feels -- he wants to *force* scientists to believe in religion. He does no such thing. Nobody can force anybody to believe in something. You're a writer; you know how he's using the term forced. You have to dishonestly distort what he said to be able to dump on him. In the sense he's using the word, you were forced to develop a theory about an alternate plane of reality when you saw Lentz levitate--a theory most scientists would dismiss as religious. That's the whole problem with TM science in a nutshell, the 'tude that We already know the truth, because religion has told it to us. All we need to do now is find some way to cook the data to make it look as if science agrees with us. Uh-huh. Except that Card is talking about data from the LHC, not from TM. Then all those other scientists will finally have to agree with us, because we were RIGHT all along. And that would really burn your ass, wouldn't it? You want TMers to have been WRONG all along as much as--or more than--any TMer wants to have been RIGHT all along. And you're willing to twist what TMers say in order to MAKE them wrong in your own limited mind. Talk about cooking the data! Fortunately, many scientists prefer to remain scientists, and leave the religion to the gullible. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/08/23/a-higgs-setback-did-stephen-hawking-just-win-the-most-outrageous-bet-in-physics-history/ Not to mention twisting what *scientists* say in order to make TMers WRONG, as you do here. In this case, from Hawking's perspective, it's the overwhelming majority of *physicists* who have been gullible, believing in the existence of the Higgs boson.
[FairfieldLife] Libertarian Hypocrites and Liars
When we bailed out the banks in 2008, everyone blamed the banks for screwing us and there was a lot of talk, talk, talk, about regulating them. Since then an astounding number of people think too much regulation caused the banks to collapse. Tea Party propaganda has made us clinically insane. Not too long ago Florida Senator Marco Rubio would never dare say Social Security and Medicare weakened us as a people but not anymore. Libertarian evil has so poisoned the minds of our people that a corporate tool like Rubio can openly, confidently and arrogantly undermine the social safety net and not pay a political price. If it suits them, corporate media could sell Tea Party rubes Soylent Green and have them saying grandma tastes delicious. Social Security and Medicare did not cause the 2008 banking crisis nor the debt crisis, but that's what libertarian propagandists want you to believe. http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/10/21/wall-streets-tea-party/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Let's hope Nabby has a PC instead of a Mac. Otherwise he'd have to be afraid of getting Buddhist cooties.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Interesting to note that the creator of the theory of the so-called God particle would probably be opposed to Card's notion. From Wikipedia: As an atheist, Higgs is reported to be displeased that the particle is nicknamed the God particle. Higgs is afraid the term might offend people who are religious. This nickname for the Higgs boson is usually attributed to Leon Lederman, but it is actually the result of Lederman's publisher's censoring. Originally Lederman intended to call it the goddamn particle, because of its elusiveness. [Isn't it interesting that an editor managed to change the entire concept of something by correcting it?] No, because it was the *publisher* who made the change, not the editor; and the publisher didn't correct it, the publisher *censored* goddamn because it was media- unfriendly, and also because the publisher thought God Particle as the title would sell more books. And in any case, it's not really a change in the concept. Lederman's goddamn referred to the particle's elusiveness--physicists can't find it, so they can't prove its existence. Obviously the same can be said of God. When oh when are so-called scientists going to admit, to themselves and to the world, that they bring a whole host of beliefs to their science, and that the beliefs win out over the science most of the time? I'm with Curtis in condemning the perversion of the term science as practiced by TMers and by others who are merely using the cover of science to attempt to get others to believe the things they believe. Wait. Scientists are bad because they bring beliefs to their science, and TMers are bad because, unlike real scientists, they bring beliefs to their own science? I keep telling you, you ought to read over what you write before you post it. Your stream-of-consciousness writing often stumbles over itself like this because your thinking processes are so sloppy. You might catch some of your idiocies if you had a second look. The last paragraph of the Scientific American article seems to me a backhanded form of this. First, it assumes the same thing that has gotten almost every physicist in history into this pickle in the first place -- that there was a first creation. Without that concept, there is *no need* to examine a question like Where did matter (mass) come from? In a non-created eternal universe, matter has always been, and has always existed in a relational way with energy, swapping costumes eternally. It's only the human *belief* that there was a time that matter did not exist that causes scientists to pursue this whole boondoggle. Well, no, there are actually reams of *data* involved. (Unless, of course, you want to maintain that the scientists are cooking the data to point to their desired conclusion--just like TMers.) I've pointed out before that a steady-state universe was at one time a major competing theory to the Big Bang-- but has been *discredited* on the basis of observational data. But then the closet True Believer in the SciAm author comes out, and he reacts to the failure of the LHC to pinpoint a creation that may never have happened by proposing an even bigger experiment, at an even more astronomical cost. Can you say Keep paying my salary, and in fact give me and my colleagues even more money so that we can continue to try to 'prove' our beliefs? I think you can. And if you did, you'd be just as wrong as Barry. The SciAm writer is not a physicist. He writes popular science books for the general reader and would benefit just as much either way. Barry *could* have found this out by reading the bio at the end of the article, but he's WAAY too smart to be bothered to back up his theories with actual data--you know, facts. Especially if it means he'd have to give up a putdown. And the writer never proposed an even bigger experiment, merely pointed out that it would be *necessary* if physicists wanted to continue searching for the Higgs boson. In fact, the impression I get from the tone of the article is Schadenfreude at the possibility that Hawking will win his bet and physics will have to give up on the God particle. When it comes to extorting money so that they can continue to ponder their beliefs, scientists are often even better at it that religionists. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How does..............
On Aug 25, 2011, at 8:01 AM, turquoiseb wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: You know, she still does have quite a pretty face. Her sisters? Not so much. I guess her claim to fame is her sex tape. I haven't seen, but evidently that is what she is famous for. This is one of those situations that is amusing for me because living where I live and seeing US trends only on the Internet, I have no idea who the she in question is. I know the name and have a vague impression of what her face looks like from sidebar stories on HuffPost and other news forums, but I have never been tempted to click on any of them. I get the impression she has sisters and that the world is somewhat fascinated by her. Years ago, in another lifetime it seems like, her father was one of the lawyers on OJ Simpson's Dream Team. And a pretty good one otherwise, I heard. He died a few years later, and a few years after that someone had the brilliant idea to parlay his accomplishments into almost instant, and totally undeserved, fame for his daughters. They've done nothing to deserve it. I look at them, and Paris Hilton, and whoever else is famous for being famous, as part of the great dumbing-down of this country. Just throw anyone at the media, no matter how lacking in talent or anything interesting, and we'll buy it. It's idiotic and actually insulting. I never saw or even heard of the sex tape~~thankfully. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Something to be grateful to Maharishi for
That the Global Country of World Peace never issued its own postal stamps. Otherwise we could have been talking about something like this, but with Vedic cows and Towers Of Invincibility instead of weapons. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/08/25/gaddafis-official-stamp-c_n_935984.html#s337885title=Warplanes_Rockets_Guns I just love #5, a set of 16 stamps sold as a whole sheet, all of them making up a comic book page. And #9 actually looks like it could have come out of Vlodrop.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What would proof of levitation actually prove?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip But suppose it happened the way *you* would like to see it happen. A long-time TMer, hopefully one who is still On The Program, gently lifts off the foam and hangs ten in mid-air for some minutes. Not only do others see this, he demonstrates the ability to do it repeatedly, so scientists (both TM scientists and real scientists) rush in, measure the dude, and declare, Yup. He's levitating. We can't explain it, but we have measured it by objective means enough to be able to say it's happening. So what would that DO for you? What do you think it would prove, about TM, about your belief system, or about you? Not important. The real question is what it would prove about current scientific understanding of How It All Works-- i.e., that it's fundamentally wrong. Do you think most people in the world would accept it, or even care? My bet is that most would find a way to dismiss it entirely, just as you guys have written off my experiences. The Randis would cry Fraud! and the skeptics would find a way to discredit the scientists, and the vast majority would just say, Big deal. So what? So what?? Who cares what stupid people and skeptopaths think when real scientists have documented it? I think the reason that they would feel this way is that they have nothing *invested* in the idea of levitation Wrong. It would be because they have plenty invested in the idea that levitation is impossible. or in the idea that its existence would prove anything. Nobody with any intelligence would say actual levitation didn't prove anything. snip Some TMers would probably react to levitation being proved by believing *everything else* that the TMO told them, including bullshit like it matters which way you enter a building or that the Indian caste system is a good thing. The TMO never said the Indian caste system was a good thing, just for the record. snip Thing is, it's not true. If levitation were proved, all that would be proven is the existence of levitation. Again: What would be proven is that science's understanding of the laws of nature is in need of major, bottom-up revision. You can't just prove levitation in a vacuum, as it were; it would affect everything we think we know about how the universe is put together. That says NOTHING about your belief system, except that it maybe got one thing right. It says nothing about *you*, except that you invested heavily in a belief system that got one thing right. You're still terrified to enter a building from the wrong direction and you still make excuses for the caste system. Get real. Note that as he often does, Barry is here addressing people who are figments of his imagination, the some TMers he fantasizes would probably react this way to levitation being proved. Somewhere in between his voicing this speculation and the above paragraph, these fantasized TMers became so real to him that he has to tell *them* to get real.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
On 08/25/2011 08:35 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaisterno_reply@... wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Let's hope Nabby has a PC instead of a Mac. Otherwise he'd have to be afraid of getting Buddhist cooties. The way the press is going with Jobs resignation you'd think he actually invented all of Apple's stuff. From what I heard he was more a governor on a lot of ideas that teams in Cupertino came up with. Apparently he likes keeping things simple so he can understand them. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Well, the Hindu belief system does. And I guess as a pseudo-outcaste Hindu you might share the belief that all is well and wisely put, that no child dying in pain didn't earn it in a past life. And as much as I find that view repugnant, it doesn't rise to the level of deceptive communication as asserting that any of this nonsense is scientifically based. Curtis, you can do better than that. The Hindu belief system isn't meant to be judgmental, the Hindu belief system doesn't say anything about not helping the child. Science and philosophy has no answers as to why that child is dying in pain nor does religion. Both science and religion would try to compassionately help the child in pain. The theory of Karma isn't to explain any answers, it is to learn surrender, that there are complex mysterious forces at play - as to why certain people suffer while others thrive. It empowers us to avoid the suffering that comes from pain, by holding you responsible for your suffering and providing you tools to overcome this suffering. Your perspective is well stated and reasonable. It probably represents what many educated and thoughtful Hindus believe. And like Christians who have proposed more reasonable perspectives on their religion, it ignores what the scriptures of that religion actually say. Many Hindu scriptures actually give the specific next life punishment for actions. And the reprehensible treatment of lower caste members is a direct result in their birth as a reflection of their past life's advancement. So you are better than Hinduism's teachings. That is a good thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
I don't see science as growing out of doubt. Because you can't prove a negative, it is the opposite. You have to state a hypothesis and then support it with evidence. So the growth of science is a positive thing. Science doesn't doubt religious claims any more than they doubt the stories of Shakespeare. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Doug: which is corroborated by discoveries in modern physics and neuroscience, reveals an underlying cause: the build up of acute stress in the collective consciousness of societies, which fuels violence in the actions of man and imbalance in the events of nature. Me: There are scientific principles and theories in play here. The most important one is our mind's quest for order and explanation in a complex world. We see forms and shapes in random clouds and Jesus in a taco. It is what our mind does when faced with randomness or complexity. It is effortless and unconscious. The world seems like a safer, more understandable place if we can associate the thoughts we have in our heads with bad things like war and natural disasters. Oh, the opium of believing we can prevent these things from happening with our all powerful minds, like magic. And if you just spouted some religious belief that makes you feel all comfy inside, I wouldn't be tempted to write. But you had to throw in the term science, perverting its meaning in a dishonest attempt to prop up religious beliefs as if they were based on established scientific method derived theories. This is wrong. I know who you learned it from. The spin master himself. And this thoery that victimizes the victim, as if the people of Japan had it coming from all their stress and imbalance compared to any other people in the world is sick. Do you really think that all the people in the drought in Africa deserve this? Well, the Hindu belief system does. And I guess as a pseudo-outcaste Hindu you might share the belief that all is well and wisely put, that no child dying in pain didn't earn it in a past life. And as much as I find that view repugnant, it doesn't rise to the level of deceptive communication as asserting that any of this nonsense is scientifically based. Own your beliefs. You believe spiritual claims because it makes sense to you and it makes you feel good. Fair enough. But you can drop the drop the pseudo-scientific 3 out of 4 dentists surveyed posturing. It just doesn't fly anymore. Golly, what a grump. You were a philosophy major? Science grows out of doubt. Religion grows out of wonder. Between the two is philosophy; it has not yet decided -- it goes on hanging between doubt and wonder. Sometimes the philosopher doubts and sometimes the philosopher wonders: he is just in between. If he doubts too much, by and by he becomes a scientist. If he wonders too much, by and by he becomes religious. That's why philosophy is disappearing from the world -- because ninety-nine percent of philosophers have become scientists. And one person -- a Buber somewhere, or a Krishnamurti somewhere, or a Suzuki somewhere -- great minds, great penetrating intellects, they have become religious. Philosophy is almost losing its ground. Osho.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Golly, what a grump. You were a philosophy major? We spent a month on the philosophy of science and during that month our teacher did everything he could to subvert its methods to protect the religious beliefs of the movement. I am familiar with the routine you and Hegelin run from the inside, having been pretty good at it myself when I was, like you, a propagandist for Maharishi's beliefs. It makes it all seem so much more reasonable to hit the buzzwords of science to try to bypass people's critical thinking. Most people's understanding of its methods is so poor that just invoking some of its terms are enough for them to give an idea a pass from scrutiny. But trying to point out when the terms of science are being misused to deceive makes me far from grumpy. It delights me. That is why you are one of my favorite posters here. Without you we would be bereft of the movement propaganda POV, and that would detract from my enjoyment in posting here very much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Doug: which is corroborated by discoveries in modern physics and neuroscience, reveals an underlying cause: the build up of acute stress in the collective consciousness of societies, which fuels violence in the actions of man and imbalance in the events of nature. Me: There are scientific principles and theories in play here. The most important one is our mind's quest for order and explanation in a complex world. We see forms and shapes in random clouds and Jesus in a taco. It is what our mind does when faced with randomness or complexity. It is effortless and unconscious. The world seems like a safer, more understandable place if we can associate the thoughts we have in our heads with bad things like war and natural disasters. Oh, the opium of believing we can prevent these things from happening with our all powerful minds, like magic. And if you just spouted some religious belief that makes you feel all comfy inside, I wouldn't be tempted to write. But you had to throw in the term science, perverting its meaning in a dishonest attempt to prop up religious beliefs as if they were based on established scientific method derived theories. This is wrong. I know who you learned it from. The spin master himself. And this thoery that victimizes the victim, as if the people of Japan had it coming from all their stress and imbalance compared to any other people in the world is sick. Do you really think that all the people in the drought in Africa deserve this? Well, the Hindu belief system does. And I guess as a pseudo-outcaste Hindu you might share the belief that all is well and wisely put, that no child dying in pain didn't earn it in a past life. And as much as I find that view repugnant, it doesn't rise to the level of deceptive communication as asserting that any of this nonsense is scientifically based. Own your beliefs. You believe spiritual claims because it makes sense to you and it makes you feel good. Fair enough. But you can drop the drop the pseudo-scientific 3 out of 4 dentists surveyed posturing. It just doesn't fly anymore. Golly, what a grump. You were a philosophy major? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: What do conflicts in the Middle East and natural disasters in Japan have in common? Very little on the surface of things one is man-made, the other nature-made. But a closer analysis of the mechanics of how nature functions at the deepest levels from the perspective of the ancient Vedic science of consciousness, which is corroborated by discoveries in modern physics and neuroscience, reveals an underlying cause: the build up of acute stress in the collective consciousness of societies, which fuels violence in the actions of man and imbalance in the events of nature. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Are conflicts in the Middle East and disasters in Japan preventable? Technologies of the ancient Vedic science of consciousness can reduce violence in society, imbalances in nature As predicted nearly 5 years ago, a large group of meditation experts in Iowa produces dramatic fall in US violent crime rates, number of destructive hurricanes I invite all well-wishers of peace to fully investigate the scientific principles and the research which underlie these technologies and then, if your questions are answered, to partner with us in promoting a world of permanent peace. Dr. John Hagelin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... He's also a Syrian-American. His father and mother were forced apart by her bigoted family and she was forced to give him up for adoption when he was born. His sister is a well-known writer and a college professor. There's an interview with his father floating around the 'net. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
My dear Judy Stein forgive it's 1:30 in the night and the angry ghost of Gertrude do not let me sleep before I edit one sentence in your brilliant post (I fear Getrude anger more than yours, Judy Stein [;)] esp. during night) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: snip Your steam-of-consciousness writing often stumbles over itself like this because your thinking processes are so sloppy. You might catch some of your idiocies if you had a second look. snip note You could write that this is pure steam of consciousness writing of the Kunstfigur turquoiseb. Anything written in there was taken off the tip of turquoiseb mind, Barry's representation, effective impersonation of a person from the past turquoise bee,Tshangyang Gyatso, an egalitarian poet, the sixth Dalai Lama, in a narrative or -if you want- dramatic (or cabaret)role of art at FFL. Anything written in here was taken off the tip of turquoiseb(ee) mind scraped off the first layer of many many deeper one. It does not reflect Barry's innermost thoughts -or lack of [:D] . Hope B. knows that he can- in contrast to USA- copyright his persona(s) in Europe
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/25/2011 08:35 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaisterno_reply@ wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Let's hope Nabby has a PC instead of a Mac. Otherwise he'd have to be afraid of getting Buddhist cooties. The way the press is going with Jobs resignation you'd think he actually invented all of Apple's stuff. From what I heard he was more a governor on a lot of ideas that teams in Cupertino came up with. Apparently he likes keeping things simple so he can understand them. :-D Actually, Jobs' main strengths have always been to recognize and inspire talent and recognize the potential for others' ideas, combined with an infectious vision (reality distortion field was originally a reference to his ability to get *engineers* fired up about a project), and a good sense of marketing to the masses. Certainly, he doesn't have a 200 IQ like Woz is said to have, but he has the ability to communicate with world-class engineers on their level combined with the ability to communicate with world-class artists and designers on THEIR level, AND coordinate the creation of an end-product that is more often than not, world-class. That combination has produced many of the most popular and significant products of the last 30 years, including the Apple I, ][ and \\e, the Mac, NeXT/MacOS X, iPod/iPhone/iPad and of course, Toy Story friends. It has made him the most influential technologist and media mogul in the world, taking Apple to become the largest company in the world and eclipsing the fact that he and his team now run DIsney (seeing that he sits on the BoD, is the largest shareholder, and John Lassiter of Pixar now runs the Disney Animation division). L L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What would proof of levitation actually prove?
Richard, Are you serious about what you said here? Can you levitate? And, how do we know you're enlightened? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: turquoiseb: I've witnessed it, and it doesn't prove diddley-squat to me... Well, I practice levitation all the time, and it made me enlightened. That's the payoff. Your problem is that you let others do your spiritual work for you. Zen Master Rama meditated with his eyes closed and then he went 'Yogic Flying'. Incredible! In over twenty-eight years of your seeking and striving, not once did you actually transcend and enjoy a single siddhi - no payoff for you. What happened?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Libertarian Hypocrites and Liars
If the banks had collapsed, we would have lost all the money in our bank account. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: When we bailed out the banks in 2008, everyone blamed the banks for screwing us and there was a lot of talk, talk, talk, about regulating them. Since then an astounding number of people think too much regulation caused the banks to collapse. Tea Party propaganda has made us clinically insane. Not too long ago Florida Senator Marco Rubio would never dare say Social Security and Medicare weakened us as a people but not anymore. Libertarian evil has so poisoned the minds of our people that a corporate tool like Rubio can openly, confidently and arrogantly undermine the social safety net and not pay a political price. If it suits them, corporate media could sell Tea Party rubes Soylent Green and have them saying grandma tastes delicious. Social Security and Medicare did not cause the 2008 banking crisis nor the debt crisis, but that's what libertarian propagandists want you to believe. http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/10/21/wall-streets-tea-party/
[FairfieldLife] The good ole days..
Maharishi in his prime, explaining TM to the press: ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRSvW9Ml9DQ L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
On 08/25/2011 10:43 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 08/25/2011 08:35 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaisterno_reply@ wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Let's hope Nabby has a PC instead of a Mac. Otherwise he'd have to be afraid of getting Buddhist cooties. The way the press is going with Jobs resignation you'd think he actually invented all of Apple's stuff. From what I heard he was more a governor on a lot of ideas that teams in Cupertino came up with. Apparently he likes keeping things simple so he can understand them. :-D Actually, Jobs' main strengths have always been to recognize and inspire talent and recognize the potential for others' ideas, combined with an infectious vision (reality distortion field was originally a reference to his ability to get *engineers* fired up about a project), and a good sense of marketing to the masses. Certainly, he doesn't have a 200 IQ like Woz is said to have, but he has the ability to communicate with world-class engineers on their level combined with the ability to communicate with world-class artists and designers on THEIR level, AND coordinate the creation of an end-product that is more often than not, world-class. That combination has produced many of the most popular and significant products of the last 30 years, including the Apple I, ][ and \\e, the Mac, NeXT/MacOS X, iPod/iPhone/iPad and of course, Toy Story friends. It has made him the most influential technologist and media mogul in the world, taking Apple to become the largest company in the world and eclipsing the fact that he and his team now run DIsney (seeing that he sits on the BoD, is the largest shareholder, and John Lassiter of Pixar now runs the Disney Animation division). L. That read like an Apple PR release. :-D Here in the Bay Area the opinion of Jobs may not be as high. I once saw him give a demo of his networked development system at a multimedia event. Some folks around here thought this fictional movie pretty much hit it on the head: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Pirates_of_Silicon_Valley/70036929 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/ Maybe with him out of the picture Apple can gain the market share it should have as an alternative OS by licensing it to other companies. And maybe one won't need a damned Mac to build an iPhone app. And maybe build the UI with more than just Obejct C.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/25/2011 10:43 AM, sparaig wrote: [...] Actually, Jobs' main strengths have always been to recognize and inspire talent and recognize the potential for others' ideas, combined with an infectious vision (reality distortion field was originally a reference to his ability to get *engineers* fired up about a project), and a good sense of marketing to the masses. Certainly, he doesn't have a 200 IQ like Woz is said to have, but he has the ability to communicate with world-class engineers on their level combined with the ability to communicate with world-class artists and designers on THEIR level, AND coordinate the creation of an end-product that is more often than not, world-class. That combination has produced many of the most popular and significant products of the last 30 years, including the Apple I, ][ and \\e, the Mac, NeXT/MacOS X, iPod/iPhone/iPad and of course, Toy Story friends. It has made him the most influential technologist and media mogul in the world, taking Apple to become the largest company in the world and eclipsing the fact that he and his team now run DIsney (seeing that he sits on the BoD, is the largest shareholder, and John Lassiter of Pixar now runs the Disney Animation division). L. That read like an Apple PR release. :-D Do you think an Apple press release would refer to Jobs as having a reality distortion field? I've programmed Apple //e's, Classic Macs and Mac OS X. I've been an Apple programmer for nearly 30 years and I've worked for Apple indirectly as the local Performa representative, traveling around to all the dept stores, trying to make sure that the Mac displays were kept neat and functional. I've dealt with many of the Apple people over the years including Jef Raskin (founder of the original Mac project and arch enemy of Steve Jobs) and Steve Wozniak. I used to own a bit of Apple stock and became an Apple watcher because of it (had I held onto all of it I would now be worth about $4 million -I sold the last 3/4 (6 shares after a 3 x 2-way splits) of a share for $1600 earlier this year), so I've been following the company pretty darned closely compared to most people. Here in the Bay Area the opinion of Jobs may not be as high. What would they say differently? Anyone who denies what I said above is deluded. They might enjoy concentrating on his personality/character flaws, but that wasn't the point of my post. I once saw him give a demo of his networked development system at a multimedia event. Some folks around here thought this fictional movie pretty much hit it on the head: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Pirates_of_Silicon_Valley/70036929 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/ Wozniak once pointed out that while the actors nailed the personalities and inter-personal relationships of all the major characters, there was a great many factual errors in that movie. Maybe with him out of the picture Apple can gain the market share it should have as an alternative OS by licensing it to other companies. A publicly held company isn't supposed to gain market share :It is supposed to make money. Apple is now the largest company in the world, market-cap wise, and its year over year profits are growing as fast or faster than Microsoft's did at its most influential. What argument can you make that using Microsoft's strategy will make more money for Apple than Apple's strategy does? And maybe one won't need a damned Mac to build an iPhone app. And maybe build the UI with more than just Obejct C. Great marketing strategy for Apple, don't you agree? iPhone programming classes are amongst the most popular computer programming classes in the world. 100,000 people have signed up to watch the Stanford University iPhone programming classes online, and every one of them needs a Mac to sell (if not program since plenty of people have Hackintoshes) an iPhone app. When you learn to program an iPhone, you have basically learned 90-95% of what is required to program a Mac and vice versa. As I said, great marketing strategy for Apple. Objective C is basically C with object libraries added that use Smalltalk syntax and a Smalltalk-like runtime object model. I understand that most people (especially C++/C#/Java programmers) don't really understand Object-Oriented Programming but Smalltalk was the language from which almost all other OOP languages get their OOP concepts and most of languages don't do it nearly as well. Additionally, the GUI that Jobs and Gates saw at PARC was written in Smalltalk. In fact, modern GUIs and SMalltalk-OOP evolved hand in hand up until the Mac and Windows came about, so to knock using Smalltalk-like syntax in a GUI is well, stupid. On almost every detail of your post you have proven yourself to be incorrect or at best, short-sighted.
[FairfieldLife] Puma Punku
Puma Punku http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hp2Qgxr30o
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
cardemaister: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! By 1974, working for Atari, Jobs had saved up enough money to go to India in search of spiritual enlightenment in the company of Dan Kottke (quoted in Halliday, 1983, p. 205). According to my sources Jobs was initiated into TM in late 1972 while still at Reed. Read more: Subject: Steve Jobs: A Zen-like calm? From: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: January 13, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/3oto5mo
[FairfieldLife] Re: What would proof of levitation actually prove?
My personal theory is that what I saw took place on an alternate plane of reality, one that is not perceived by most people. John jr: Are you serious about what you said here? You can levitate if you can transcend to another plane of existence, applying the string-theory, just like the Turq said. When you transcend, you go beyond this material plane, to another, more subtle plane or state of existence. You can't see it with the senses because it is transcendental to the material world of prakriti. In short, you must go to the spiritual sky, just like Lord Krishna's easy journey to other planets. Can you levitate? A lot better than Zen Master Rama! And, how do we know you're enlightened? When you can see all your past existences, your present existence, and you can see all your future existences, and you realize all that entails, you will be enlightened, just like the historical Buddha. All you have to do is stop your striving. You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get. He also saw that in our travels from one life to the next we are constantly changing and constantly affecting one another. Like actors changing parts in a play, our roles change as we move from life to life... http://www.buddhamind.info/leftside/under/buddha/enlight.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: In a Cafe
Yifu: In a Cafe That's me, the guy with the silly grin on his face. On the River Walk in San Antonio, Texas, at a sidewalk cafe. This is my rap for today - a cafe riff, at a cafe, on the sidewalk. I know you don't want me to lay my trip on you, and I don't want you to lay your trip on me. Anyway, this is my trip - a cafe trip. No dogs to walk - just sippin iced tea with the locals. http://www.sanantonio.gov/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Let's hope Nabby has a PC instead of a Mac. Otherwise he'd have to be afraid of getting Buddhist cooties. Only 1 photographer that I know has a MAC since when they break you might as well throw the whole thing away. If my PC breaks thousands of companies can supply some little part to make it work again. But Maharishi loved MAC's. Then again he loved everything and everybody, including Buddhists :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ... that Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, according to Wikipedia! Well, I guess almost everyone knew that already... Let's hope Nabby has a PC instead of a Mac. Otherwise he'd have to be afraid of getting Buddhist cooties. Only 1 photographer that I know has a MAC since when they break you might as well throw the whole thing away. If my PC breaks thousands of companies can supply some little part to make it work again. But Maharishi loved MAC's. Then again he loved everything and everybody, including Buddhists :-) and crop circles and ufo's. : ) ...and little dudes named nabby.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM millennial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Yep. Well of course there is a whole spectrum. Some of us are and some are not. Recently I saw Bevan and his people who are around him at a meeting and also I've directly watched and heard him speak within the year a couple of times, and yes they evidently are millenarian. Millennial-ist. To the extent that he and they have been the right hand of the TM movement all these years and decades, then yes it is. Essentially the TM movement and TM has been and is theirs now. Certainly TM as a movement is communal at their level and millennial from the inside at that level. If it walks like a duck and quacks like one, then... in modern times, TM's a millenarian movement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes Dedicated millenarians -inspired by their intense emotional commitment to goals they view as cosmically important and by their true believer millenarian rhetoric- often seek to assist the divine process of transformation in which they believe they are participating by taking matters into their own hands rather than passively waiting for God to inaugurate His kingdom on earth. Initially, such movements may engage in relatively quiet and largely non-confrontational efforts to withdraw from what they view as the wicked world around them, in order to try to create purer, more communally cohesive groups in preparation for the anticipated millennial kingdom. - Lawrence Foster, Journal of the Communal Studies Association vol31:1,2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes are we millennialists? This is us? Millennial religious and communal movements typically anticipate the imminent and literal end of what they view as a profoundly wicked, corrupt existing world order and its replacement by a glorious new heaven and new earth, in which the first shall be last and the last first, Describing millennial groups this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary in their underlying goals and their impact upon the larger social order that they criticize so harshly Describing millennial movements in this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary... ...This article will argue, instead, that the complex trajectories of millennial movements may lead them to two quite different directions -either toward increasing accommodation with the larger society, on the one hand, or toward escalating conflict and confrontation that typically results in the group's dispersal or violent suppression by political power holders, on the other. Lawrence Foster , Journal of the Communal Studies Association v31-1, 2011 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Oh, oh..you just confirmed to Buck (and no doubt Tex) that you're in on it too Rick. Rick, in meditator typology? Naw, i know Rick, he's one of them progressive maoist meditators. Like Hagelin. As in: ...those who envision a gradually improving world (progressive millennialists--Shakers, some Marxists, many mainline Christian denominations, etc.). Your perfectionists fall within progressive millennialism, in this typology. snip Viewed broadly, TM and Maoism share a few certain characteristics as millennial movements. Of course, they diverge widely in theory, methods, and understanding of human nature. Maoism is significantly different on the violence meter, as well, but shares the TM movement's longing for (and expectation of) a perfect world. In progressive millenial perfectionism to the end Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oldies but goldies: Turmeric prevents Alzheimers?
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:48 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: My ma takes huge doses of turmeric and convinced me to start taking it as well - couldn't hurt is what I figure. It's a blood-thinner, which could be dangerous for some people. You should both check with your MDs. Judy, Judy, Judy, there you go with the FUD. It's natural and natural could never hurt you. People dying from eating bear liver, hemlock, nightshade? Can't be. If it's natural it's good for you and can do you no harm. Increasingly doctors in Austin, Texas are studying a pharmacopoeia of herbs. It's really helpful when one of their patients just up and blows out the veins in their head /before/ being given any medication and having no lab results which show they had platelet or clotting problems. Just one example of hundreds, BTW. As Archie Bunker said, You have to steer clear of Natural Food. The major cause of death in America is 'Natural Causes'.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Bulletin [3 Attachments]
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM millennial
Choose your millenarian end-of-days and descent of Heaven on Earth. However, surveying the 60 years of Maharishi and TM in the West or even just the 4 decades of TM in Iowa the TM movement as a millenarian movement has tried everything and has both accommodated the larger culture, been suppressed some, and even dispersed. And it has changed the larger culture some too. Evidently was revolutionary in its time too. Yep. Well of course there is a whole spectrum. Some of us are and some are not. Recently I saw Bevan and his people who are around him at a meeting and also I've directly watched and heard him speak within the year a couple of times, and yes they evidently are millenarian. Millennial-ist. To the extent that he and they have been the right hand of the TM movement all these years and decades, then yes it is. Essentially the TM movement and TM has been and is theirs now. Certainly TM as a movement is communal at their level and millennial from the inside at that level. If it walks like a duck and quacks like one, then... in modern times, TM's a millenarian movement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes Dedicated millenarians -inspired by their intense emotional commitment to goals they view as cosmically important and by their true believer millenarian rhetoric- often seek to assist the divine process of transformation in which they believe they are participating by taking matters into their own hands rather than passively waiting for God to inaugurate His kingdom on earth. Initially, such movements may engage in relatively quiet and largely non-confrontational efforts to withdraw from what they view as the wicked world around them, in order to try to create purer, more communally cohesive groups in preparation for the anticipated millennial kingdom. - Lawrence Foster, Journal of the Communal Studies Association vol31:1,2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Domes are we millennialists? This is us? Millennial religious and communal movements typically anticipate the imminent and literal end of what they view as a profoundly wicked, corrupt existing world order and its replacement by a glorious new heaven and new earth, in which the first shall be last and the last first, Describing millennial groups this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary in their underlying goals and their impact upon the larger social order that they criticize so harshly Describing millennial movements in this way implies that they must be inherently revolutionary... ...This article will argue, instead, that the complex trajectories of millennial movements may lead them to two quite different directions -either toward increasing accommodation with the larger society, on the one hand, or toward escalating conflict and confrontation that typically results in the group's dispersal or violent suppression by political power holders, on the other. Lawrence Foster , Journal of the Communal Studies Association v31-1, 2011 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Oh, oh..you just confirmed to Buck (and no doubt Tex) that you're in on it too Rick. Rick, in meditator typology? Naw, i know Rick, he's one of them progressive maoist meditators. Like Hagelin. As in: ...those who envision a gradually improving world (progressive millennialists--Shakers, some Marxists, many mainline Christian denominations, etc.). Your perfectionists fall within progressive millennialism, in this typology. snip Viewed broadly, TM and Maoism share a few certain characteristics as millennial movements. Of course, they diverge widely in theory, methods, and understanding of human nature. Maoism is significantly different on the violence meter, as well, but shares the TM movement's longing for (and expectation of) a perfect world. In progressive millenial perfectionism to the end Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
On 08/25/2011 12:28 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 08/25/2011 10:43 AM, sparaig wrote: [...] Actually, Jobs' main strengths have always been to recognize and inspire talent and recognize the potential for others' ideas, combined with an infectious vision (reality distortion field was originally a reference to his ability to get *engineers* fired up about a project), and a good sense of marketing to the masses. Certainly, he doesn't have a 200 IQ like Woz is said to have, but he has the ability to communicate with world-class engineers on their level combined with the ability to communicate with world-class artists and designers on THEIR level, AND coordinate the creation of an end-product that is more often than not, world-class. That combination has produced many of the most popular and significant products of the last 30 years, including the Apple I, ][ and \\e, the Mac, NeXT/MacOS X, iPod/iPhone/iPad and of course, Toy Story friends. It has made him the most influential technologist and media mogul in the world, taking Apple to become the largest company in the world and eclipsing the fact that he and his team now run DIsney (seeing that he sits on the BoD, is the largest shareholder, and John Lassiter of Pixar now runs the Disney Animation division). L. That read like an Apple PR release. :-D Do you think an Apple press release would refer to Jobs as having a reality distortion field? I've programmed Apple //e's, Classic Macs and Mac OS X. I've been an Apple programmer for nearly 30 years and I've worked for Apple indirectly as the local Performa representative, traveling around to all the dept stores, trying to make sure that the Mac displays were kept neat and functional. I've dealt with many of the Apple people over the years including Jef Raskin (founder of the original Mac project and arch enemy of Steve Jobs) and Steve Wozniak. I used to own a bit of Apple stock and became an Apple watcher because of it (had I held onto all of it I would now be worth about $4 million -I sold the last 3/4 (6 shares after a 3 x 2-way splits) of a share for $1600 earlier this year), so I've been following the company pretty darned closely compared to most people. Here in the Bay Area the opinion of Jobs may not be as high. What would they say differently? Anyone who denies what I said above is deluded. They might enjoy concentrating on his personality/character flaws, but that wasn't the point of my post. I once saw him give a demo of his networked development system at a multimedia event. Some folks around here thought this fictional movie pretty much hit it on the head: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Pirates_of_Silicon_Valley/70036929 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/ Wozniak once pointed out that while the actors nailed the personalities and inter-personal relationships of all the major characters, there was a great many factual errors in that movie. Maybe with him out of the picture Apple can gain the market share it should have as an alternative OS by licensing it to other companies. A publicly held company isn't supposed to gain market share :It is supposed to make money. Apple is now the largest company in the world, market-cap wise, and its year over year profits are growing as fast or faster than Microsoft's did at its most influential. What argument can you make that using Microsoft's strategy will make more money for Apple than Apple's strategy does? And maybe one won't need a damned Mac to build an iPhone app. And maybe build the UI with more than just Obejct C. Great marketing strategy for Apple, don't you agree? iPhone programming classes are amongst the most popular computer programming classes in the world. 100,000 people have signed up to watch the Stanford University iPhone programming classes online, and every one of them needs a Mac to sell (if not program since plenty of people have Hackintoshes) an iPhone app. When you learn to program an iPhone, you have basically learned 90-95% of what is required to program a Mac and vice versa. As I said, great marketing strategy for Apple. Objective C is basically C with object libraries added that use Smalltalk syntax and a Smalltalk-like runtime object model. I understand that most people (especially C++/C#/Java programmers) don't really understand Object-Oriented Programming but Smalltalk was the language from which almost all other OOP languages get their OOP concepts and most of languages don't do it nearly as well. Additionally, the GUI that Jobs and Gates saw at PARC was written in Smalltalk. In fact, modern GUIs and SMalltalk-OOP evolved hand in hand up until the Mac and Windows came about, so to knock using Smalltalk-like syntax in a GUI is well, stupid. On almost every detail of your post you have proven yourself to be
Re: [FairfieldLife] Libertarian Hypocrites and Liars
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:31 AM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: When we bailed out the banks in 2008, everyone blamed the banks for screwing us and there was a lot of talk, talk, talk, about regulating them. Since then an astounding number of people think too much regulation caused the banks to collapse. Tea Party propaganda has made us clinically insane. Not too long ago Florida Senator Marco Rubio would never dare say Social Security and Medicare weakened us as a people but not anymore. Libertarian evil has so poisoned the minds of our people that a corporate tool like Rubio can openly, confidently and arrogantly undermine the social safety net and not pay a political price. If it suits them, corporate media could sell Tea Party rubes Soylent Green and have them saying grandma tastes delicious. Social Security and Medicare did not cause the 2008 banking crisis nor the debt crisis, but that's what libertarian propagandists want you to believe. http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/10/21/wall-streets-tea-party/ Libertarians are the scum of the Earth. Take, for example, some very famous life extensionists whom I've done battle with over the years. They not only are libertarians, but follow a 26 hour life cycle (because they feel that's natural) and engineer their lives around their idea of being sovereign. You want to talk to them? Look on their website for when they're awake. You have to provide every address you've ever lived at, every URL you've ever contributed to, every email address and telephone number you've ever had /before/ they will allow you into their little sovereign nation to even chat. I'm not surprised that most probably the signs and bumper stickers for Ron Paul are still intact in Fairfield. Here we have a bunch of poorer than church mice people who were told by Marshi that they were ENTITLED. So we've got all these people who don't have a pot to piss in who want to believe the laws of physics, quantum mechanics, arithmetic, economics, finance, civil or criminal justice apply to them. Unless, of course, they decide to sue someone or call the police on someone. But I'm sure they collect their food stamps, just like Ann Rynd got US provided medical care for her cancer (in secret, with an assumed name). These sovereigns in Canada? Why Canada? Well, free health care. Why else? Oh, yeah, and because the husband is banned from entering the US for violating US labor laws.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Secret of Levitation BBC for summer time lurkers
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 1:07 AM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: The all-knowing BBC believed that nobody dared to ask Maharishi Mahesh Yogi if he can and will/have use(d) his levitation skills? lol (actually a question from the 60s asked already during his India tours) check part 2-4 with MMY, and of course Hagelin, and ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5sxax2CvE0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly4z2Hm8jSofeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnTmfqUKhMfeature=related YouTube Direktlink Paul McCartney asked Maharishi about levitation in 1968 and Maharishi didn't know anyone who could do it. We may never know about him but what about the current leadership? Can the Rajas fly higher or longer than others?
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Libertarian Hypocrites and Liars
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com wrote: http://selfsip.org/ Read about the guy who covered up his real family name for years because he didn't want to be caught being of Jewish origin now stands up for being self-sovereign. A man of true courage.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Cripple Creek
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: Cripple Creek, CO; 1890, Departure of Stagecoach: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/47453.jpg One of my very favorite places on Earth. Great saloon, great ice cream parlor. Regrettably, the place is contaminated with all sorts of sulfates and nasty metals like arsenic. Great times in the Summer. Now Rory, RC and Ravi should be one the stage. The one leaving for Cheyenne in an hour.
[FairfieldLife] Babe Ruth and Al Smith
in Coral Gables, FL http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49665.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Graf Zepellin rendezvous with the Pyramids
1931 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49221.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Graf Zeppelin in Rio
1931 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49219.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Ridin' the Zeppelin
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[FairfieldLife] Ring of the King
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/33587.jpg by Dave MacDowell
[FairfieldLife] post Millennial generation
The Next Generation by Dave MacDowell http://www.macdowellstudio.com/?p=383
[FairfieldLife] Jaws of Metal
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Just learned...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: [...] Really got Lawson wound up on that one, didn't I folks? :-D We have a lot of Lawson types in the Bay Area. We call them Silicon Valley Snarks. Truly a cogent response to my points. I bow before your superior intellect and knowledge of the topic. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In a Cafe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Yifu: In a Cafe That's me, the guy with the silly grin on his face. You look like you've put on a few pounds there Richard. But I do like those bermuda shorts. On the River Walk in San Antonio, Texas, at a sidewalk cafe. This is my rap for today - a cafe riff, at a cafe, on the sidewalk. I know you don't want me to lay my trip on you, and I don't want you to lay your trip on me. Anyway, this is my trip - a cafe trip. No dogs to walk - just sippin iced tea with the locals. http://www.sanantonio.gov/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Libertarian Hypocrites and Liars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:31 AM, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: When we bailed out the banks in 2008, everyone blamed the banks for screwing us and there was a lot of talk, talk, talk, about regulating them. Since then an astounding number of people think too much regulation caused the banks to collapse. Tea Party propaganda has made us clinically insane. Not too long ago Florida Senator Marco Rubio would never dare say Social Security and Medicare weakened us as a people but not anymore. Libertarian evil has so poisoned the minds of our people that a corporate tool like Rubio can openly, confidently and arrogantly undermine the social safety net and not pay a political price. If it suits them, corporate media could sell Tea Party rubes Soylent Green and have them saying grandma tastes delicious. Social Security and Medicare did not cause the 2008 banking crisis nor the debt crisis, but that's what libertarian propagandists want you to believe. http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/10/21/wall-streets-tea-party/ Libertarians are the scum of the Earth. Take, for example, some very famous life extensionists whom I've done battle with over the years. They not only are libertarians, but follow a 26 hour life cycle (because they feel that's natural) and engineer their lives around their idea of being sovereign. You want to talk to them? Look on their website for when they're awake. You have to provide every address you've ever lived at, every URL you've ever contributed to, every email address and telephone number you've ever had /before/ they will allow you into their little sovereign nation to even chat. I'm not surprised that most probably the signs and bumper stickers for Ron Paul are still intact in Fairfield. Here we have a bunch of poorer than church mice people who were told by Marshi that they were ENTITLED. So we've got all these people who don't have a pot to piss in who want to believe the laws of physics, quantum mechanics, arithmetic, economics, finance, civil or criminal justice apply to them. Unless, of course, they decide to sue someone or call the police on someone. But I'm sure they collect their food stamps, just like Ann Rynd got US provided medical care for her cancer (in secret, with an assumed name). These sovereigns in Canada? Why Canada? Well, free health care. Why else? Oh, yeah, and because the husband is banned from entering the US for violating US labor laws. Haha! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps2Jc28tQrw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Libertarian Hypocrites and Liars
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:00 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: KIndly warn someone when one is going to go to a link and view a woman of color trying to sing. What does this have to do with anything except showing you're one of them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community
Here do I swear fealty and service to the Knowledge in peace or war, in living or dying, from this hour henceforth until my lord release me or death take me. And we shall not forget it! Fealty with love. Valour with honour. Disloyalty with vengeance. We do not think we should so lightly abandon the outer defenses. Jai Guru Dev, -Governor and TM teacher re-certification This is where I do not understand why so many are not allowed, in the domes after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people to peace through a taught meditation? How did it happened? Poor social skills or ruthless ones and both. That effect is seen and the process is not transparent. The same people are ultimately in charge even now. Probably Not much is going to change until they might pass on. It is a very small group now trying to hold steady. A revival is always possible but the hard-liners have vowed no change. After the death of the master, no change is a fealty test for belonging now. There was just a group graduating here from a re=certified teachers course. 'bout 50 old people came back in recent weeks to be re-certified. It's a race against time. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yep, it's stunning. Thanks though Obba, that is a great observation and a good way of saying it. This catches well our TM thing this time around and is probably not uncommon in cycles of revival. Starting simple and the addendum carry it away. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: I would like to know when one has a desire to find peace and one may be lead to a particular meditation and finds peace, then somehow dogmatic thinking is introduced by some experts, of a particular meditation to the user, causing a whirlwind in the mind of the peace seeker of, WTF is that? Now how can the innocence of what was first presented stand the trial of time, if bozos hijack the purpose (the presented meditation) first originally presented as simple meditation and use a phrase, This is the way the Guru wanted it to go and the way it always has been passed down.. All the while, experts, adding addendums of higher knowledge, to the thought process of the user/meditator/peace seeker, then somehow the expert, decides changing that user/meditator/peace seeker's title of awareness as he/she should know and behave different as I tell them (from the stand point of the expert).. Does this not change the direction of original intent of the teaching? ...but yet claiming the purpose to this structure is for keeping the integrity of what is taught to be exact? Of course some may refer to a statement/question like this, as, unstressing, and to ignore such a thought. How can science be studied without the inquiry of the mind? Spiritual suggestion is the only extent any discipline, should be given/taken from another. Discipline comes from the self. This is where I do not understand why so many are not allowed, in the domes after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people to peace through a taught meditation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. First.Are all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Second.Are meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Third.Do meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
Dear CurtisDB, Thanks, I love you too for the same reason in reverse. Someone needs to speak up for the true-bliever here to make it worthwhile, this is a hard job. Oh,I took the same classes. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Golly, what a grump. You were a philosophy major? We spent a month on the philosophy of science and during that month our teacher did everything he could to subvert its methods to protect the religious beliefs of the movement. I am familiar with the routine you and Hegelin run from the inside, having been pretty good at it myself when I was, like you, a propagandist for Maharishi's beliefs. It makes it all seem so much more reasonable to hit the buzzwords of science to try to bypass people's critical thinking. Most people's understanding of its methods is so poor that just invoking some of its terms are enough for them to give an idea a pass from scrutiny. But trying to point out when the terms of science are being misused to deceive makes me far from grumpy. It delights me. That is why you are one of my favorite posters here. Without you we would be bereft of the movement propaganda POV, and that would detract from my enjoyment in posting here very much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Doug: which is corroborated by discoveries in modern physics and neuroscience, reveals an underlying cause: the build up of acute stress in the collective consciousness of societies, which fuels violence in the actions of man and imbalance in the events of nature. Me: There are scientific principles and theories in play here. The most important one is our mind's quest for order and explanation in a complex world. We see forms and shapes in random clouds and Jesus in a taco. It is what our mind does when faced with randomness or complexity. It is effortless and unconscious. The world seems like a safer, more understandable place if we can associate the thoughts we have in our heads with bad things like war and natural disasters. Oh, the opium of believing we can prevent these things from happening with our all powerful minds, like magic. And if you just spouted some religious belief that makes you feel all comfy inside, I wouldn't be tempted to write. But you had to throw in the term science, perverting its meaning in a dishonest attempt to prop up religious beliefs as if they were based on established scientific method derived theories. This is wrong. I know who you learned it from. The spin master himself. And this thoery that victimizes the victim, as if the people of Japan had it coming from all their stress and imbalance compared to any other people in the world is sick. Do you really think that all the people in the drought in Africa deserve this? Well, the Hindu belief system does. And I guess as a pseudo-outcaste Hindu you might share the belief that all is well and wisely put, that no child dying in pain didn't earn it in a past life. And as much as I find that view repugnant, it doesn't rise to the level of deceptive communication as asserting that any of this nonsense is scientifically based. Own your beliefs. You believe spiritual claims because it makes sense to you and it makes you feel good. Fair enough. But you can drop the drop the pseudo-scientific 3 out of 4 dentists surveyed posturing. It just doesn't fly anymore. Golly, what a grump. You were a philosophy major? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: What do conflicts in the Middle East and natural disasters in Japan have in common? Very little on the surface of things one is man-made, the other nature-made. But a closer analysis of the mechanics of how nature functions at the deepest levels from the perspective of the ancient Vedic science of consciousness, which is corroborated by discoveries in modern physics and neuroscience, reveals an underlying cause: the build up of acute stress in the collective consciousness of societies, which fuels violence in the actions of man and imbalance in the events of nature. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Are conflicts in the Middle East and disasters in Japan preventable? Technologies of the ancient Vedic science of consciousness can reduce violence in society, imbalances in nature As predicted nearly 5 years ago, a large group of meditation experts in Iowa produces dramatic fall in US violent crime rates, number of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Libertarian Hypocrites and Liars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1rN7qSN3c : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:00 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: KIndly warn someone when one is going to go to a link and view a woman of color trying to sing. What does this have to do with anything except showing you're one of them?
[FairfieldLife] 'A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall..'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkRef6RT9q0
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall..'
Possible his best work; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV9yB5PyI1w --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkRef6RT9q0
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall..'
Possible his best work; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV9yB5PyI1w --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkRef6RT9q0
[FairfieldLife] 'Listen to Mike Malloy here...'
Revolutionary Radio Guy... http://www.mikemalloy.com/stations/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: But earthquakes, where this can be measured, are also rated by the distance that the fault line itself has shifted. For example, during the San Francisco quake that burned down major portions of the city, the fault line in question only shifted a few inches. When contemplating what the term The Big One could potentially mean for California, bear in mind that they are predictable. They occur in 150 to 200 year cycles. **Predictability is the holy grail that the earthquake scientists strive for. So far predicting earthquakes hasn't happened. Keep in mind that the crust shifting on two different plates is dynamic, and as long as the plates don't get stuck, and the pressure between them continues to equalize through small quakes pretty regularly, which is what is happening now, we're in good shape here in California. If they get stuck, then that can obviously cause an issue. The last one was back during the Civil War. During that one, the entire San Andreas fault line shifted something like eight feet. According to historical records, it knocked almost every existing building in California off its foundation. **You don't need a displacement of 8 feet to knock a building from its foundation. Also, I doubt the anecdote, as I have visited the town of San Juan Bautista many times, its about a 90 minute drive south of here - They have an outdoor restaurant there, Jardines, with excellent food, music, roosters, margaritas and a cactus garden, but I digress...- The town dates from the mid-1700's and no damage was done to the foundations of the Mission, the hotel, the stables, or any of the houses from that period, and it sits possibly 1/2 a mile from the San Andreas fault.:-)
[FairfieldLife] 'Bush and Cheney in Ancient Rome'
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the earth move for you, too?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip When contemplating what the term The Big One could potentially mean for California, bear in mind that they are predictable. They occur in 150 to 200 year cycles. **Predictability is the holy grail that the earthquake scientists strive for. So far predicting earthquakes hasn't happened. Not for specific earthquakes, no, but statistically it can be said that California is due for a Big One within a decade or two. May or may not pan out, but that's a reasonable prediction.
