date:20111105

Yeah, the mind with its thoughts reinforces our reality, while continually 
bringing our desires into being. But we are no longer the slave to it. Rather 
it is our servant, and will construct precisely whatever it is we want, 
especially if we naturally let go of the desire and just let our environment 
organize around a thought and bring it to fruition in its own time. 

At one point I recall being aware that now that I was thinking so much less, 
whatever I did think of, be it worry or any sort of fear, had a good chance of 
manifesting, because being more in sync with my environment made it possible 
for all desires to be fulfilled, even the inadvertent ones. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Jim, Yes !!! Heart has no sense of time hence the attraction for love, music. 
 Pain and suffering more so, touches the depths of the inner being, eventually 
 shattering the walls of the eternal ambrosia hidden within, at least this is 
 what I feel happened to me.
 
 Anyway wrt to the intention not sure if there's one, may be but not so 
 attached to it. I'm constantly aware of mind which is on a parallel track, 
 fantasizes and tries to project it on to an external object. In my case it 
 tries to project my bliss to a woman. Mind is really cute and fun entity once 
 the association is broken.
 
 
 On Nov 4, 2011, at 8:40 AM, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:
 
  Glad you are enjoying Venice Ravi, and I am quite sure your desire for love 
  will be fulfilled - it is only a matter of time before the pure intention 
  manifests for you.
  
  The thing I've noticed about the heart is that it has no sense of time. 
  When it is unfulfilled, it aches as deeply in a second as it does in a day. 
  The intellect may track all of that linearly, but the heart cannot, so it 
  doesn't understand how to be patient, even as its desire takes form 
  offstage. :-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   :-).
   
   I just moved to Venice yesterday, had a 20 minute walk after dinner. It's 
   beautiful.
   
   It will be perfect if only one of the women I flirt with lose their wits 
   and senses and go out with this mad yogi !!
   
   On Nov 3, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote:
   
Those of us boring, mundane folks who are lacking spiritual bliss will 
miss ya! Occupy Venice Beach!

From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count


And let's all emulate the example of Curtis who followed the lead of 
MLK, Gandhi and the likes to non-violently post out.

It will be fun watching the post count post all by himself next week 
and who know he might run into any number of exceptions like 
divide_by_zero and FFL will be listless and postless next week !!!


On Nov 3, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:


And yeah, the post count posts how many again? Say 1% of the posts and 
the rest of us 99%? 

Yeah screw you post count !! I'm one of the 99% here and we are not 
gonna let you ruin the fun in the great land of pimps and whores we 
proudly call FFL.

On Nov 3, 2011, at 11:20 PM, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:


Occupy The Post Count!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:

 Yeah.. Alex's too funny.
 
 But I hate it when someone posts out :-(, god just when we were 
 having fun the post count ruins it all..
 
 
 On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:
 
  
  
  There's brilliant, and then there is brilliant. 
  
  
  From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 5:41:56 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount 
  ffl.postcount@ wrote:
  
   Fairfield Life Post Counter
   ===
   Start Date (UTC): Sat Oct 29 00:00:00 2011
   End Date (UTC): Sat Nov 05 00:00:00 2011
   748 messages as of (UTC) Fri Nov 04 00:13:04 2011
   
   61 curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
  
  His Holiness, The Most Beloved Sri Sri Curtis Delta Bluesananda 
  will be taking a leave of profound spiritual silence until at 
  least the evening of Friday, Nov 11.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in sixty 
year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of. Spectacularly 
underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that he is reduced to 
playing children's games in the company of adults. He uses his edificial alias: 
Vajradatu, to convey instant authority and mystery, but he is just a ten year 
old kid. He plays at being himself, but has no real idea who he is, a paper 
Buddha, single ply.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Robin,
 
 I wouldn't stress out because I say it again, based upon his posts here he 
 comes across as the most inauthentic person here, he's just a troll, a liar 
 and a crook - bless his Buddhist heart. The only way he gets his message 
 across is by repeating the same old lies over and over again. That's why I 
 have always referred to him as Vakrabuddhi - the twisted intellect, the one 
 trick parrot, his choking routines of parroted shit.
 
 
 On Nov 4, 2011, at 9:02 PM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  RESPONSE: Horseshit, all of it. Only one person has ever confronted me, and 
  he is my best friend. Vaj is playing Walter MItty here; and he has told a 
  big fibâI would challenge him to provide any testimony that even begins 
  to be consistent with what he claims hereâfrom the participants at that 
  meeting. Now I haven't read further than this post at FFL tonight; but I 
  can't help myself. 
  
  Vaj has got himself into big doo doo here. It is all a lie. A marvellous 
  fantasy. Not one person from the time I slipped into Unity throughout the 
  ten years when I enacted the role of the enlightened man and wrote all 
  those silly books, not one person ever confronted me. This story of Vaj 
  baffles me. It's like the gay thing; I wouldn't be ashamed if I was gay; 
  and in this case, I feel no humiliation or embarrassment to admit that 
  someone took me down. But no one did (except my best friend much later). 
  And Vaj is having a huge fantasy here. I wonder he would make a public 
  statement like this when he knows it is without foundation in fact. Amazing 
  really. He refers to a Doug K: I trust Doug K. I challenge you, Vaj, to get 
  anyone who was there to corroborate your outrageous account.
  
  And I will check out the information that has been posted about me in the 
  past.
  
  Again, it is not a matter of being determined that no one shall know that 
  that I have lost a battle as it were; it is a question of truth, If what 
  Vaj said happened that day did not happen, then I need to set the record 
  straight. It did not happen. And this is an extraordinary act of mendacity 
  on Vaj's part.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ 
   wrote:
   snip
You mean you accompanied one of my friends to where I was 
temporarily staying in DC and they confronted me with my 
astrological chart, and I refused to read itâsince I had
converted to Catholicism, and was therefore up to date on
what Augustine and Aquinas had said about the limit of the
influence of the starsâand therefore wouldn't budge?
   
   This appears to be Vaj's account of what took place, posted
   here back in March 2006 (#89493):
   
   In the 80's, I was invited by three close friends--an old
   TM teacher, an MIU grad and a Sidha, to confront Robin
   Woodsworth Carlsen who was then living in an apartment in
   Washington DC. It was actually my first time at debunking a
   claim of enlightenment, but when it was all over and done,
   we were all convinced this man was without a doubt, a fraud.
   
   And from a follow-up post (#89713):
   
   My friends had invited me along simply because they wanted
   me there in case he tried to pull anything. So I really went
   along simply as a friend and really, as an observer. However
   once we were there and started talking to Robin a certain
   feeling started to develop that was unmistakeable. It wasn't
   until the very end, spontaneously, I just did it. Still don't
   think he knew what happened, but for all of us there, it was 
   sufficient. Quite honestly this type of thing is really 
   uncharacteristic of me, I'm not typically one for barnstorming
   zen tactics. But for my friends it was like being lifted from
   a curse and we all felt better just having a clear perspective
   on Robin Woodsworth Carlsen.
   
   Honestly I think claims of enlightenment debunk themselves.

[FairfieldLife] Chakras from me

2011-11-05 Thread shainm307

What do you guys not know about the chakras?  I think Maharishi was missing 
something.  I need to know from you guys what you think it is because usually i 
get the anwswer from an outside source, like source or whevever it comes from 
but know im not getting the answers.  I had my dad talk to you guys yesterday, 
but now im doing it myself and i need to know im doing it myself.  What do you 
guys think is missing? My dad needs to learn something from you guys because i 
think his kundalini(spelling) is wrong too.  So is mine for instance, but I 
don;t think adjusting them everyday is the way to do it i think it has to do 
with more of being yourself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chakras from me

Definitely something that can be usefully cultivated.
This person is quite skillful at helping people with their energy system
http://batgap.com/janet-sussman/



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shainm307 shainm307@... wrote:

 What do you guys not know about the chakras?  I think Maharishi was missing 
 something.  I need to know from you guys what you think it is because usually 
 i get the anwswer from an outside source, like source or whevever it comes 
 from but know im not getting the answers.  I had my dad talk to you guys 
 yesterday, but now im doing it myself and i need to know im doing it myself.  
 What do you guys think is missing? My dad needs to learn something from you 
 guys because i think his kundalini(spelling) is wrong too.  So is mine for 
 instance, but I don;t think adjusting them everyday is the way to do it i 
 think it has to do with more of being yourself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chakras from me

Healers who are good spiritual teachers become great saints.  Janet Sussman 
like John Douglas is becoming one.  Maharishi used to tell us to sit with the 
saints for our own evolution.
   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 Definitely something that can be usefully cultivated.
 This person is quite skillful at helping people with their energy system
 http://batgap.com/janet-sussman/
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shainm307 shainm307@ wrote:
 
  What do you guys not know about the chakras?  I think Maharishi was missing 
  something.  I need to know from you guys what you think it is because 
  usually i get the anwswer from an outside source, like source or whevever 
  it comes from but know im not getting the answers.  I had my dad talk to 
  you guys yesterday, but now im doing it myself and i need to know im doing 
  it myself.  What do you guys think is missing? My dad needs to learn 
  something from you guys because i think his kundalini(spelling) is wrong 
  too.  So is mine for instance, but I don;t think adjusting them everyday is 
  the way to do it i think it has to do with more of being yourself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chakras from me

There is more to meditating than meditating.  If you pony up and do all the add 
ons to the TM program then chakras can also get cleaned up. With a little 
awareness on it helps.  If you use the siddhis that way you can.  Most people 
do not so they may be bright in ways but not well connected inside.  That is a 
communal problem here with TM'ers.  Your dad is not uncommon. It might take 
some discipline otherwise.  He might want to sit with the saints some.  )Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:

 Healers who are good spiritual teachers become great saints.  Janet Sussman 
 like John Douglas is becoming one.  Maharishi used to tell us to sit with the 
 saints for our own evolution.

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
 
  Definitely something that can be usefully cultivated.
  This person is quite skillful at helping people with their energy system
  http://batgap.com/janet-sussman/
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shainm307 shainm307@ wrote:
  
   What do you guys not know about the chakras?  I think Maharishi was 
   missing something.  I need to know from you guys what you think it is 
   because usually i get the anwswer from an outside source, like source or 
   whevever it comes from but know im not getting the answers.  I had my dad 
   talk to you guys yesterday, but now im doing it myself and i need to know 
   im doing it myself.  What do you guys think is missing? My dad needs to 
   learn something from you guys because i think his kundalini(spelling) is 
   wrong too.  So is mine for instance, but I don;t think adjusting them 
   everyday is the way to do it i think it has to do with more of being 
   yourself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thousands of Buddhist monks in Asia learn Transcendental Meditation

Beautiful combination. Transcending and Mindfulness.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@... wrote:

 http://www.tm.org/blog/meditation/buddhist-monks/

[FairfieldLife] meet-ellen-degeneres-and-russell-brand-at-david-lynch-foundation-gala

2011-11-05 Thread merlin




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues

Humble intrusion (invasion of privacy) on this open forum: 
 Ravi, it appears you just skinned the cat and declawed its protection 
mechanisms. You lay raw on this post, vulnerable to the vultures, hyenas and 
seagulls.  
On the other hand, animal sacrifices (from a particular book of sutras, for 
which appear to make no sense.)Krishna is not cheating on Radha. Most (male or 
female), who express love to the other party (male or female)gives full 
expression of unity when this occurs. When people say they cannot commit, it is 
usually because they have not found the source of union of completeness giving 
wholeness? 
Most men would never admit their fidelity at poker game chat, smoke, beer, 
cards.
 You sir, hold the poker face at this one. :P
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Dear Robin,
 
 You message is so beautiful and so remarkable that I have really savored it 
 many times for my narcissistic pleasure.
 
 That's why I have so much admiration - not only you have the sharpest 
 intellect but a very keen insight, intuitive, sensitive and heart centered, a 
 rare combination indeed !! No wonder I referred to you as a prodigal pimp - 
 it was a praise as well.
 
 Maharishi did a great service by explaining the higher states of 
 consciousness. I OTOH had zero knowledge on these and any lay poster here on 
 FFL seemed to have more knowledge than me. However it can be a drawback as 
 well, but I guess you are one of the prodigies from the MMY era.
 
 It would be great if you can end the battles with all things Eastern and the 
 Vedic gods because you would be an awesome teacher.
 
 So the remarkable insight you have provided is amazing. I took some heat for 
 mentioning in my Batgap interview that I could only marry a woman who would 
 treat me as a Guru - I actually said this for the first time in my lufe and 
 during the interview and it kind of baffled me later as to why I even said 
 it. 
 
 It took me a while to make sense of it but you lay it out remarkably well. I 
 have a hard time finding a woman because for one because post-awakening I 
 can't cheat i.e. I'm brutally honest when I talk about myself and second it 
 would need a woman, for her own sanity, to completely trust me to have a 
 relationship with me since I'm so unpredictable. But I'm very loyal and would 
 rather masturbate than cheat or abuse a woman. So I'm perplexed when I hear 
 about gurus sleeping with multiple women and abusing them.
 
 Even pre-awakening when I got mad at my ex after she left me to go to India  
 again despite my protests, I solicited prostitutes on CL for a while till I 
 felt disgusted with the foolishness of what I was doing. Even then I went to 
 the same woman every single time since it was never about just sex or having 
 multiple partners.
 
 But you are right in a way no one can truly have a relationship with me. I 
 feel untouched, untainted and unperturbed by anything outside of me. But 
 trust me I will shower lot of love and attention as well :-)
 
 On your other comments I feel everyone is unique and the gurus are here to 
 just enable us to find our uniqueness. 
 
 I never would want you to amend your comments unless you felt moved to do so, 
 that would be very dishonest for me to do since I myself never yielded 
 unwillingly to anyone in my life.
 
 Thanks for you other comments, no one could have stated any better including 
 myself.
 
 Love,
 Ravi
 
 
 
 On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:42 AM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  Dear Ravi,
  
  You are the only human being I have come across where I can unequivocally 
  say: you are who and what you are supposed to be. This Eastern mystical 
  thing works for you, even in your naughty and audacious and mocking ways. I 
  have never sensed another self other than the one you project and act out 
  of. Therefore, since in a sense you are beyond human being individuality as 
  I have known it, my attempts to make you see the world in some universal 
  way that I feel is normal for the rest of us human beings, just doesn't and 
  won't apply to you. You are in a context of self-freedom where you do not, 
  no matter how outrageous and ambiguous you are, contradict yourself. You 
  are always, in whatever emotion is dominating you, outside of the usual 
  contingent, vulnerable, insecure state that the rest of us are in. You are 
  your own context; I have not seen this before. And your version of being a 
  yogi, it is much more natural and mystically true than Oshoâor even 
  Maharishi. The problem I have is in forgetting that you are sui 
  generisâeven no Indian person I have met seem as fluidly and suavely 
  consistent inside their spirituality as you are. I definitely accord you 
  the respect commensurate with someone who not only is not faking it; but 
  who cannot be found wanting. Life, no matter what it dishes out to you, 
  cannot perturb you in the centre of where you live and act. The neurotic

[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul Amazing What If? Speech

2011-11-05 Thread alexander_oprea_shift


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul Amazing What If? Speech

I  Ron Paul.
Let the labeling begin. : )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, alexander_oprea_shift
alexander_oprea_shift@... wrote:


 Ron Paul makes a powerfull speech about how distorted our views have
 become. A lot of people don't realize that a war never solves
anything,
 but only perpetuates the things that we say we don't want in our
lives.
 If you ask a person directly what are his beliefs about war, very few
 will say it's a good thing, but still a lot of people have the
 unconscious belief in using force (of any type) to obtain something. A
 lot of people get manipulated by the persons that basically say we
have
 to fight fire with fire. You can never fight fire with fire and expect
 to get peace in return. All you'll get is a bigger blaze, and a lot of
 people are starting to see this.

 Visit my blog:  http://a-shift-in-consciousness.blogspot.com/


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson


On Nov 5, 2011, at 12:02 AM, maskedzebra wrote:

 Again, it is not a matter of being determined that no one shall know that 
 that I have lost a battle as it were; it is a question of truth, If what Vaj 
 said happened that day did not happen, then I need to set the record 
 straight. It did not happen. And this is an extraordinary act of mendacity on 
 Vaj's part.


I'm sorry, not to be mean, but you were totally clueless at the time as to what 
went down. Gary in particular got a real kick out of what went down, as he 
couldn't stop laughing. And since he's mentioned it to me several times since 
then, I know he remembers it. And he still can't stop laughing when he 
remembers.

Suffice to say, your unenlightenment was sufficiently proven for all of us, 
that evening.

Since I still use this technique on the faux-enlightened, I will not reveal the 
technique in public.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

2011-11-05 Thread feste37

What an obnoxious post. You are saying, in effect, I can determine who is 
enlightened and who isn't, but I'm not going to tell you how. Do you seriously 
expect us to believe that?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 5, 2011, at 12:02 AM, maskedzebra wrote:
 
  Again, it is not a matter of being determined that no one shall know that 
  that I have lost a battle as it were; it is a question of truth, If what 
  Vaj said happened that day did not happen, then I need to set the record 
  straight. It did not happen. And this is an extraordinary act of mendacity 
  on Vaj's part.
 
 
 I'm sorry, not to be mean, but you were totally clueless at the time as to 
 what went down. Gary in particular got a real kick out of what went down, as 
 he couldn't stop laughing. And since he's mentioned it to me several times 
 since then, I know he remembers it. And he still can't stop laughing when he 
 remembers.
 
 Suffice to say, your unenlightenment was sufficiently proven for all of us, 
 that evening.
 
 Since I still use this technique on the faux-enlightened, I will not reveal 
 the technique in public.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson


On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:29 AM, feste37 wrote:

 What an obnoxious post. You are saying, in effect, I can determine who is 
 enlightened and who isn't, but I'm not going to tell you how. Do you 
 seriously expect us to believe that?

I'm NOT saying that, as I cannot guarantee it would work for everyone.

As to whether you or anyone else believes it, it's immaterial. The event was 
purely intended for those present.

Having said that, practicing Dzogchen atiyoga for a sufficient amount a time as 
to gain certainty in the direct, non-conventional experience of the natural 
state is the best way I know to gain recognition of it in others, but even that 
depends on the peculiar mix of obscurations of the people involved. 

Suffice to say, in the case of RWC, he was always, from the beginning, quite 
transparent to me.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DOC-DEBUT: David Wants to Fly | Link TV


On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 AM, seventhray1 wrote:

 Thanks for the link.  Just saw it for the first time.  Very well done.


What I'd like to see is an extra which includes the entire interview with the 
Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is particularly 
damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students are mis-pronouncing 
the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper teaching on bhava-tita (the 
transcendent), etc.  It's quite liberating to hear. Let's hope David eventually 
releases it with subtitles. He could even release it as a separate 
mini-documentary, An Interview with the Shankaracharya. Without ever 
mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it deals a final deathblow.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
 
 On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:29 AM, feste37 wrote:
 
  What an obnoxious post. You are saying, in effect, I
  can determine who is enlightened and who isn't, but I'm
  not going to tell you how. Do you seriously expect us
  to believe that?

Vaj says a whole lot of things he seriously expects us
to believe.

 I'm NOT saying that, as I cannot guarantee it would work
 for everyone.
 
 As to whether you or anyone else believes it, it's immaterial.
 The event was purely intended for those present.

Right. Which is why Vaj described it to everyone on FFL
back in 2006 and is doing his best to put it over on us
again.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
  And you know what? I've been pondering what Robin has
  said about your appropriation of context. I think this
  is an example. You have terrible difficulty perceiving
  any context but your own. Not that we all aren't limited
  to some degree in perceiving another person's context,
  but most of us do take a stab at it, if only so that we
  can more effectively argue our own perspective. You
  rarely even try.
 
 In my experience, everyone has difficulty in perceiving
 any context but their own.

Yes, I do believe that's what I just said.

Some of us are better at it than others, however,
whether naturally or because we make an effort.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

2011-11-05 Thread nablusoss1008



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Robin,
 
 I wouldn't stress out because I say it again, based upon his posts here he 
 comes across as the most inauthentic person here, he's just a troll, a liar 
 and a crook - bless his Buddhist heart. The only way he gets his message 
 across is by repeating the same old lies over and over again. 


Like his hero Goebbels, Vaj belives that if a lie is repeated often enough it 
becomes a truth.
Bless his Buddhist heart.

[FairfieldLife] CNN Health: 10 herbs and spices that can help with weight loss

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/04/health/gallery/weight-loss-spices-herbs/index.html

I fear as usual our resident metabolic typing, supplements as wonder drug
crazies will feel compelled to post their b.s. once I hit the send button
for this post.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thousands of Buddhist monks in Asia learn Transcendental Meditation

2011-11-05 Thread nablusoss1008



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 Beautiful combination. Transcending and Mindfulness.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@ wrote:
 


http://www.tm.org/blog/meditation/buddhist-monks/


Nice, thanks for posting this. TM huge success for years in South-East-Asia 
might well be the reason why we see Vaj's lying about Maharishi becoming 
increasingly desperate lately.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:
snip
 I tend to prefer to let people stew in their own battles. I
 like and dislike certain things about Barry, about Judy, but
 I like to appreciate their good sides. They both do have
 good sides. Between those two, those good sides seldom face
 each other. Furthermore, attempting to ameliorate this battle
 between them from an external POV doesn't seem like it would
 ever work. It would have to come from them, between them. I
 am not sure what Curtis' relationship with Barry is, but that
 is his department, I have no moral imperative that he should
 do something. If I want something done of that nature, I
 should do it myself instead of enlisting cronies to do it for
 me. And Judy is quite capable of defending her POV.

This seems to be a misunderstanding you share with Curtis
and perhaps with others here. It isn't about attempting to ameliorate a 
personal conflict; that characterization is
just a way to brush off the responsibility to do the right
thing.

Barry has a tendency to viciously abuse other posters whom
he doesn't like or disagrees with. What the issues are
between him and those other posters is irrelevant; who the
other posters are is irrelevant.

What's relevant is that he viciously abuses *other human
beings*. Curtis is not being asked to intervene in
Barry's disputes; he's not being asked to protect or
rescue (as Curtis likes to put it) the people Barry
abuses.

He's simply being asked to make it clear he objects to
Barry's behavior, disapproves of it, puts himself on
the record as finding it unacceptable.

Whether that will convince Barry to change his behavior
is irrelevant as well. It would be nice if it did, but
that's up to Barry. Certainly overlooking the behavior,
or even *defending* it, as Curtis has done on a number
of occasions, is more likely to encourage it.

 If this forum is about enlightenment, then it is only
 superficially about personalities here.

A forum for social interaction, regardless of the topic,
cannot *not* be about personalities. To maintain
otherwise is a category mistake.

snip
 My sense that the arguments on this forum tend to shy
 away from grand philosophical issues and focus in on more
 local, current and immediate situations, and reflect the
 various participants views, often with quite a mix of
 emotion, and the ability to view the situation abstractly
 is overridden by deeper emotional issues.

In fact, we have had many discussions of grand philosophical
issues, including the issue of free will (which is, as it
happens, a perennial topic here). What most of us do not
do is pretend we are somehow above or beyond deeper
emotional issues such that our views of the situation
(whatever it may be) are purely abstract.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steven Jobs by Walter Isaacson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
   In his presence, reality is malleable. He can convince  
   anyone of practically anything. It wears off when he's 
   not around, but it makes it hard to have realistic 
   schedules.
  
  Is there anyone else this reminds you of? Class...?
  :-)
 
 Absolutely. Interestingly enough, however, who it
 reminded me of most -- the first person who popped
 into my mind -- was Captain Tightpants from Firefly.
 
 Here's a fun video of 32 best quotes from Firefly and
 Serenity, as selected by SCI FI WIRE, whatever that is.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uMAKtXlXf4
 
 Unfortunately they didn't select my favorite Mal quote,
 which relates directly to the Jobs story: 
 
 We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.


Did you edit out the best part?


 We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty. All others go twiqust 
thy nethers

[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN Health: 10 herbs and spices that can help with weight loss

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:

 http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/04/health/gallery/weight-loss-spices-herbs/index.html
 
 I fear as usual our resident metabolic typing, supplements as
 wonder drug crazies will feel compelled to post their b.s.
 once I hit the send button for this post.

It's interesting (nothing to do with metabolic typing or
supplements) that the last in the series of pictures of
spices in this story shows the cumin seed not loose, as
all the other spice photos do, but in a jar clearly
labeled Whole Pantry (TM).

Whole Pantry (TM) is the house spice brand of Whole
Paycheck--er, Whole Foods.

[FairfieldLife] Re: DOC-DEBUT: David Wants to Fly | Link TV



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
 She makes it clear in her book, although doesn't indulge in explicit
 details.
 
 Kaplan interview interesting.
 
 Yeah, but I thought he misinterpreted MMY's point about do less and
 accomplish more.

Clearly, that's a no-brainer, the more rested you are the better decisions you 
make, just for starters!

His most poignant comment was the one that acknowledged MMY had no idea what 
would happen if a 10,000 group was formed in India (or anywhere).

Kaplan was a product of MMY and his *Yoga-lite for modernity* had MMY been more 
upfront about what and why he was teaching the way he was Kaplan may have been 
more informed (Thank God for Charlie Lutes, many still meditate because of him).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues

2011-11-05 Thread richardwillytexwilliams



  I tend to prefer to let people stew in their 
  own battles...
 
authfriend:
 He's simply being asked to make it clear 
 he objects to Barry's behavior, disapproves 
 of it, puts himself on the record as finding 
 it unacceptable...

Where I come from, silence usually indicates 
agreement.

[FairfieldLife] Re: DOC-DEBUT: David Wants to Fly | Link TV



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 AM, seventhray1 wrote:
 
  Thanks for the link.  Just saw it for the first time.  Very well done.
 
 
 What I'd like to see is an extra which includes the entire interview with 
 the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is 
 particularly damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students are 
 mis-pronouncing the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper teaching on 
 bhava-tita (the transcendent), etc.  It's quite liberating to hear. Let's 
 hope David eventually releases it with subtitles. He could even release it as 
 a separate mini-documentary, An Interview with the Shankaracharya. Without 
 ever mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it deals a final deathblow.

MMY NEVER claimed to be a Sat-Guru (as stated by the Shankaracharya in the 
film) so right off the bat he has misunderstood MMY! I wouldn't be intimidated 
by his title, he probably has no more/or less enlightenment than MMY.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CNN Health: 10 herbs and spices that can help with weight loss

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:56 AM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:
 
 
 http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/04/health/gallery/weight-loss-spices-herbs/index.html
 
  I fear as usual our resident metabolic typing, supplements as
  wonder drug crazies will feel compelled to post their b.s.
  once I hit the send button for this post.

 It's interesting (nothing to do with metabolic typing or
 supplements) that the last in the series of pictures of
 spices in this story shows the cumin seed not loose, as
 all the other spice photos do, but in a jar clearly
 labeled Whole Pantry (TM).

 Whole Pantry (TM) is the house spice brand of Whole
 Paycheck--er, Whole Foods.


It's called product placement.   Been to one of the domes lately?   Every
single MMY product being peddled.

I happened to be in the doc's outer waiting room (as opposed to the inner
waiting room you get the cue to enter when you're told The doctor will see
you now).   There in a New Yorker magazine was the cartoon of the male
doctor with a patient in an inner waiting room with a patient.   The
doctor's white coat looked like a professional rodeo or a NASCAR driver
outfit, covered with pharmaceutical and brand name drug logos.  Showed it
to the doc.  She didn't get the joke.

[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN Health: 10 herbs and spices that can help with weight loss



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:

 On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:56 AM, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
  
  
  http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/04/health/gallery/weight-loss-spices-herbs/index.html
  
   I fear as usual our resident metabolic typing, supplements as
   wonder drug crazies will feel compelled to post their b.s.
   once I hit the send button for this post.
 
  It's interesting (nothing to do with metabolic typing or
  supplements) that the last in the series of pictures of
  spices in this story shows the cumin seed not loose, as
  all the other spice photos do, but in a jar clearly
  labeled Whole Pantry (TM).
 
  Whole Pantry (TM) is the house spice brand of Whole
  Paycheck--er, Whole Foods.
 
 It's called product placement.   Been to one of the domes
 lately?   Every single MMY product being peddled.

Oh, sure, but this was in what purported to be a news
article on CNN's Web site.

What got me was the obvious calculation involved in
trying to make it look UNcalculated.

 I happened to be in the doc's outer waiting room (as opposed
 to the inner waiting room you get the cue to enter when
 you're told The doctor will see you now).

HAW. On the nose.

 There in a New Yorker magazine was the cartoon of the male
 doctor with a patient in an inner waiting room with a patient.
 The doctor's white coat looked like a professional rodeo or a 
 NASCAR driver outfit, covered with pharmaceutical and brand
 name drug logos.  Showed it to the doc.  She didn't get the
 joke.

Oy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 Having said that, practicing Dzogchen atiyoga for a sufficient amount a time 
 as to gain certainty in the direct, non-conventional experience of the 
 natural state is the best way I know to gain recognition of it in others, but 
 even that depends on the peculiar mix of obscurations of the people involved. 
 

Recognizing the natural state in others and all is natural. If you recognize 
the natural state at some times, in some people, in some things, but at other 
times see appearances  other than the natural state, perhaps that is a 
reflection of obscurations. 

When you see Robin as natural state, is its nature LoveBliss?

Re: [FairfieldLife] CNN Health: 10 herbs and spices that can help with weight loss

On 11/05/2011 07:32 AM, Tom Pall wrote:
 http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/04/health/gallery/weight-loss-spices-herbs/index.html

 I fear as usual our resident metabolic typing, supplements as wonder drug
 crazies will feel compelled to post their b.s. once I hit the send button
 for this post.

Boogety boogety:-P

Yup, a lot of anti-kapha spices there.  They work very well and bit by 
bit mainstream medicine is beginning to catch on.  Since Tom wants me to 
drive him crazy with metabolic typing stuff I need to mention you can 
also overshoot the moon and speed the metabolism too much then when you 
eat carbs they'll turn to fat.  Not anything crazy, just basic biochemistry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:

 Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in sixty 
 year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of. 

Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to seeing Haj 
within yourself? That Haj, and nothing, is outside of you? Is that experience 
lovebliss?

Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that he is 
reduced to playing children's games in the company of adults. 

Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children and that 
innocence, that state of wonder, awe, no categories, being the gateway to the 
natural state of heaven here, everywhere.  Pray adults everywhere learn this 
from the children.



He uses his edificial alias: Vajradatu, to convey instant authority and 
mystery, but he is just a ten year old kid. He plays at being himself, but has 
no real idea who he is, a paper Buddha, single ply.  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  Robin,
  
  I wouldn't stress out because I say it again, based upon his posts here he 
  comes across as the most inauthentic person here, he's just a troll, a liar 
  and a crook - bless his Buddhist heart. The only way he gets his message 
  across is by repeating the same old lies over and over again. That's why I 
  have always referred to him as Vakrabuddhi - the twisted intellect, the one 
  trick parrot, his choking routines of parroted shit.
  
  
  On Nov 4, 2011, at 9:02 PM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  
   RESPONSE: Horseshit, all of it. Only one person has ever confronted me, 
   and he is my best friend. Vaj is playing Walter MItty here; and he has 
   told a big fibâI would challenge him to provide any testimony that even 
   begins to be consistent with what he claims hereâfrom the participants 
   at that meeting. Now I haven't read further than this post at FFL 
   tonight; but I can't help myself. 
   
   Vaj has got himself into big doo doo here. It is all a lie. A marvellous 
   fantasy. Not one person from the time I slipped into Unity throughout 
   the ten years when I enacted the role of the enlightened man and wrote 
   all those silly books, not one person ever confronted me. This story of 
   Vaj baffles me. It's like the gay thing; I wouldn't be ashamed if I was 
   gay; and in this case, I feel no humiliation or embarrassment to admit 
   that someone took me down. But no one did (except my best friend much 
   later). And Vaj is having a huge fantasy here. I wonder he would make a 
   public statement like this when he knows it is without foundation in 
   fact. Amazing really. He refers to a Doug K: I trust Doug K. I challenge 
   you, Vaj, to get anyone who was there to corroborate your outrageous 
   account.
   
   And I will check out the information that has been posted about me in the 
   past.
   
   Again, it is not a matter of being determined that no one shall know that 
   that I have lost a battle as it were; it is a question of truth, If what 
   Vaj said happened that day did not happen, then I need to set the record 
   straight. It did not happen. And this is an extraordinary act of 
   mendacity on Vaj's part.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ 
wrote:
snip
 You mean you accompanied one of my friends to where I was 
 temporarily staying in DC and they confronted me with my 
 astrological chart, and I refused to read itâsince I had
 converted to Catholicism, and was therefore up to date on
 what Augustine and Aquinas had said about the limit of the
 influence of the starsâand therefore wouldn't budge?

This appears to be Vaj's account of what took place, posted
here back in March 2006 (#89493):

In the 80's, I was invited by three close friends--an old
TM teacher, an MIU grad and a Sidha, to confront Robin
Woodsworth Carlsen who was then living in an apartment in
Washington DC. It was actually my first time at debunking a
claim of enlightenment, but when it was all over and done,
we were all convinced this man was without a doubt, a fraud.

And from a follow-up post (#89713):

My friends had invited me along simply because they wanted
me there in case he tried to pull anything. So I really went
along simply as a friend and really, as an observer. However
once we were there and started talking to Robin a certain
feeling started to develop that was unmistakeable. It wasn't
until the very end, spontaneously, I just did it. Still don't
think he knew what happened, but for all of us there, it was 
sufficient. Quite honestly this type of thing is really 
uncharacteristic of me, I'm not typically one for barnstorming
zen tactics. But for my friends it was like being lifted from

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DOC-DEBUT: David Wants to Fly | Link TV

On 11/05/2011 08:14 AM, wgm4u wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vajvajradhatu@...  wrote:

 On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 AM, seventhray1 wrote:

 Thanks for the link.  Just saw it for the first time.  Very well done.

 What I'd like to see is an extra which includes the entire interview with 
 the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is 
 particularly damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students are 
 mis-pronouncing the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper teaching 
 on bhava-tita (the transcendent), etc.  It's quite liberating to hear. Let's 
 hope David eventually releases it with subtitles. He could even release it 
 as a separate mini-documentary, An Interview with the Shankaracharya. 
 Without ever mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it deals a final deathblow.
 MMY NEVER claimed to be a Sat-Guru (as stated by the Shankaracharya in the 
 film) so right off the bat he has misunderstood MMY! I wouldn't be 
 intimidated by his title, he probably has no more/or less enlightenment than 
 MMY.

Enlightenment isn't a sports competition.  You're either experiencing it 
or you're not.  And it will grow on you. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:

 Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in sixty 
 year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of.

Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to seeing Haj 
within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is outside of you? Is that 
experience lovebliss?

Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that he is 
reduced to playing children's games in the company of adults.

Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children and that 
state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally fresh and vibrant, 
being the gateway to the natural state -- the threshold of heaven available 
here and everywhere. Pray adults learn from children.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Chakras from me

On 11/05/2011 03:38 AM, shainm307 wrote:
 What do you guys not know about the chakras?  I think Maharishi was missing 
 something.  I need to know from you guys what you think it is because usually 
 i get the anwswer from an outside source, like source or whevever it comes 
 from but know im not getting the answers.  I had my dad talk to you guys 
 yesterday, but now im doing it myself and i need to know im doing it myself.  
 What do you guys think is missing? My dad needs to learn something from you 
 guys because i think his kundalini(spelling) is wrong too.  So is mine for 
 instance, but I don;t think adjusting them everyday is the way to do it i 
 think it has to do with more of being yourself.

What your dad posted was good.  I didn't get a chance to reply to it.  
It is true that TM'ers aren't very balanced or grounded.  Some of the 
more tradition meditation techniques help that.  Om is one of the most 
grounding mantras there is and why it is used along with many mantras.  
The chakras themselves will open naturally with proper meditation and 
asana. A guru is essential as it is possible to meditate the first time 
and have the kundalini rise to crown chakra which can be very 
disconcerting.  Don't worry too much about spelling Sanskrit as it gets 
transliterated various ways.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 12:23 PM, tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:
 
  Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in
 sixty year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of.

 Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to seeing Haj
 within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is outside of you? Is
 that experience lovebliss?

 Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that he
 is reduced to playing children's games in the company of adults.

 Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children and
 that state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally fresh and
 vibrant, being the gateway to the natural state -- the threshold of heaven
 available here and everywhere. Pray adults learn from children.



Speaking of Haj, I urge everyone to read Leon Uris' *The Haj*.   It's the
other side's Exodus.  I read it on every trip to the Middle East, before it
gets confiscated by Customs in the country I'm going to visit.  Really fine
book.   Explains a lot about the current situation and the way Middle
Eastern Muslims think.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

I'll look for it - I used to read his books - thanks for the tip.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:

 On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 12:23 PM, tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
  
   Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in
  sixty year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of.
 
  Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to seeing Haj
  within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is outside of you? Is
  that experience lovebliss?
 
  Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that he
  is reduced to playing children's games in the company of adults.
 
  Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children and
  that state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally fresh and
  vibrant, being the gateway to the natural state -- the threshold of heaven
  available here and everywhere. Pray adults learn from children.
 
 
 
 Speaking of Haj, I urge everyone to read Leon Uris' *The Haj*.   It's the
 other side's Exodus.  I read it on every trip to the Middle East, before it
 gets confiscated by Customs in the country I'm going to visit.  Really fine
 book.   Explains a lot about the current situation and the way Middle
 Eastern Muslims think.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:


Vaj belives that if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes a truth.
 Bless his Buddhist heart.

That is a wonderful insight. We repeat the lie of separation over and over 
again, over so many years. One day we wake up laughing, no longer seeing the 
lie. The lie is the pathway to truth, life is the deepest teacher. We 
repeatedly bang our head against the wall, but that cannot last. The wall 
banging comes to a stop. The lie cannot survive, it just takes some intense 
living of the lie for it to shrivel naturally from its own lack of foundation.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
 
  Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in sixty 
  year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of.
 
 Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to seeing Haj 
 within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is outside of you? Is 
 that experience lovebliss?
 
 Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that he is 
 reduced to playing children's games in the company of adults.
 
 Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children and that 
 state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally fresh and vibrant, 
 being the gateway to the natural state -- the threshold of heaven available 
 here and everywhere. Pray adults learn from children.


Heh - A critical difference between being child-like, and childish. I find Vaj 
as an adult to be a childish dolt.  I would never equate my child's innocence 
and wonder as she grows in the world with this moron's ignorant blather and 
deception. Your mangling of an obvious point seems reactive and meaningless to 
me.

As for 
everything-being-my-perception-and-the-perception-couldn't-occur-if-the-object-of-perception-were-not-in-fact-within-me,
 that and five bucks will get you a cuppa coffee, and sometimes you just gotta 
call a dolt a dolt.:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: DOC-DEBUT: David Wants to Fly | Link TV

2011-11-05 Thread richardwillytexwilliams



Vaj:
 What I'd like to see is an extra which includes 
 the entire interview with the Shankaracharya of 
 Jyotir Math...

You lose all credibility when you play the caste 
card. Everyone knows that the Shankaracharya tradition 
in India is based on a person's birth circumstances. 
I would not believe a single thing the 'Shankaracharya' 
in India had to say about anything.

If the only source Vaj can provide is the words of a 
caste monger like Svarupanand, then I'll take MMY's 
words of wisdom anyday! Vaj can stick to his Hindu 
quasi- Buddhist religion if he wants to, but he should 
stop all the fibbing about the MMY and the 
Shankaracharyas of India.

If I had been the Maharishi, I wouldn't have wanted 
to be associated with any of the Shankaracharyas 
sitting on their seats in India today. I don't see how 
any Shankaracharya could be enlightened and still 
promote the Indian caste system like they do. 

It's just outrageous! 

So, to my mind, the Maharsihi was like a breath of 
fresh air compared to any of the Shankaracharyas that 
restrict spiritual teaching to their own caste. I can 
see no reason a person born in Texas, or anywhere 
else, couldn't be a TMer and reach enlightenment. 

So, who but Vaj would want to be associated with 
the casteism, promoted in the name of religion by 
the Shankaryacharya Svarupanand? Or, that other 
Shank-pretender, the one in jail for murder over in 
Kanchi. 

Or, that Shank Swami on the run down in Mexico, 
the guy that spread the false rumor that MMY murdered 
Guru Dev? Or, that Vaj guru, the Swami Rama of the 
Himalayas, the guru that Vaj said he visited once, 
the one convicted of raping a female yoga student.

So, far from proving that MMY killed anyone, when the
facts come out, we can clearly see that the whole Vaj 
claim just get blown to bits. Not to mention tampering
with mutt records.

The real question is why ALL the fibbing if Vaj 
really isn't and never was a TM Teacher? Where is Dr. 
Pete when we need him? Nobody can figure this one.

Senior VHP leader Acharya Giriraj Kishore sees a 
conspiracy behind the arrest of the two Shankaracharyas 
of Kanchi Mutt.

Read more:

http://rwilliams.blogspot.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Vaj belives that if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes
  a truth.  Bless his Buddhist heart.
 
 That is a wonderful insight. We repeat the lie of separation
 over and over again, over so many years. One day we wake up
 laughing, no longer seeing the lie. The lie is the pathway to
 truth, life is the deepest teacher. We repeatedly bang our
 head against the wall, but that cannot last. The wall banging
 comes to a stop. The lie cannot survive, it just takes some
 intense living of the lie for it to shrivel naturally from
 its own lack of foundation.

Non sequitur and whopping category error.

FAIL.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
  
   Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in 
   sixty year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of.
  
  Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to seeing Haj 
  within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is outside of you? Is 
  that experience lovebliss?
  
  Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that he 
  is reduced to playing children's games in the company of adults.
  
  Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of 
  children and that state of wonder, amazement, awe, no
  categories, eternally fresh and vibrant, being the gateway
  to the natural state -- the threshold of heaven available
  here and everywhere. Pray adults learn from children.
 
 Heh - A critical difference between being child-like, and
 childish.

On the nose.

 I find Vaj as an adult to be a childish dolt.  I would never
 equate my child's innocence and wonder as she grows in the
 world with this moron's ignorant blather and deception. Your 
 mangling of an obvious point seems reactive and meaningless
 to me.

Reactive, show-off, patronizing, and fundamentally hostile.

 As for everything-being-my-perception-and-the-perception-
 couldn't-occur-if-the-object-of-perception-were-not-in-
 fact-within-me, that and five bucks will get you a cuppa
 coffee, and sometimes you just gotta call a dolt a dolt.:-)

You nailed it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
  
   Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in 
   sixty year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of.
  
  Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to seeing Haj 
  within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is outside of you? Is 
  that experience lovebliss?
  
  Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that he 
  is reduced to playing children's games in the company of adults.
  
  Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children and that 
  state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally fresh and 
  vibrant, being the gateway to the natural state -- the threshold of heaven 
  available here and everywhere. Pray adults learn from children.
 
 
 Heh - A critical difference 

Differences have their place.


 between being child-like, and childish. I find Vaj as an adult to be a 
 childish dolt. 

Seeing momentary distinctions (whether the projections are chidish dolts or 
Shiva) within oneself, seeing everything as love bliss, is natural and 
wonderful. 

 I would never equate my child's innocence and wonder as she grows in the 
 world with this moron's ignorant blather and deception. Your mangling of an 
 obvious point seems reactive and meaningless to me.
 
 As for 
 everything-being-my-perception-and-the-perception-couldn't-occur-if-the-object-of-perception-were-not-in-fact-within-me,

Perceptions is a fun way of expressing it. That you find nothing is outside 
of you is the key. 

 that and five bucks will get you a cuppa coffee, and sometimes you just gotta 
 call a dolt a dolt.:-)


Yes, the lovebliss of dolt IS the lovebliss of dolt. A = A.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

Xeno and tartbrain are running the same game here.
The difference is that Xeno doesn't appear to be
*trying* to be obnoxious.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
   
Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in 
sixty year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of.
   
   Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to seeing 
   Haj within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is outside of 
   you? Is that experience lovebliss?
   
   Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that he 
   is reduced to playing children's games in the company of adults.
   
   Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children and 
   that state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally fresh and 
   vibrant, being the gateway to the natural state -- the threshold of 
   heaven available here and everywhere. Pray adults learn from children.
  
  Heh - A critical difference 
 
 Differences have their place.
 
  between being child-like, and childish. I find Vaj as an adult to be a 
  childish dolt. 
 
 Seeing momentary distinctions (whether the projections are chidish dolts or 
 Shiva) within oneself, seeing everything as love bliss, is natural and 
 wonderful. 
 
  I would never equate my child's innocence and wonder as she grows in the 
  world with this moron's ignorant blather and deception. Your mangling of an 
  obvious point seems reactive and meaningless to me.
  
  As for 
  everything-being-my-perception-and-the-perception-couldn't-occur-if-the-object-of-perception-were-not-in-fact-within-me,
 
 Perceptions is a fun way of expressing it. That you find nothing is outside 
 of you is the key. 
 
  that and five bucks will get you a cuppa coffee, and sometimes you just 
  gotta call a dolt a dolt.:-)
 
 
 Yes, the lovebliss of dolt IS the lovebliss of dolt. A = A.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

2011-11-05 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:

  Having said that, practicing Dzogchen atiyoga for a sufficient amount a 
  time as to gain certainty in the direct, non-conventional experience of the 
  natural state is the best way I know to gain recognition of it in others, 
  but even that depends on the peculiar mix of obscurations of the people 
  involved. 

 Recognizing the natural state in others and all is natural. If you recognize 
 the natural state at some times, in some people, in some things, but at other 
 times see appearances  other than the natural state, perhaps that is a 
 reflection of obscurations. 
 
 When you see Robin as natural state, is its nature LoveBliss?

If you are in your natural state, everything is in its natural state. That is 
always from the POV of one's own body. While everyone is perceived to be in 
their natural state, those other bodies may not be noticing that from their 
POV. Finding out if those other bodies are experiencing their natural state 
from their POV is more involved, because first of all they have to describe 
what they are experiencing. If they say they are seeking their natural state, 
then obviously they are not there yet, as an experience. It is another matter 
if they are claiming enlightenment. tartbrain I think is right in saying that 
if you are in the natural state, that is the only thing you can experience, but 
it does not necessarily mean the body that seems to house that experience is 
omniscient.

Suppose we have a great master. What can they tell? Is it possible to fool a 
master? The master-disciple relationship is almost always under certain 
controlled conditions, in which the master's position in the relationship is 
clearly delineated. Supposing you run into such a master on the street never 
having seen him or her before, and have no idea who that person is. You strike 
up a conversation. Who can tell what about what state each is in? I have no 
idea what the answer to this question might be.

P.S. What does it mean to say (as Vaj did above) 'to gain certainty in the 
direct, non-conventional experience of the natural state', is this a reference 
to the natural state not being a typical experience for people, that it is thus 
uncommon? The natural state could never be non-conventional in another meaning 
because it is the only state of existence, and in that meaning, totally 
conventional. There is nothing special to do to have the natural state except 
getting rid of the illusions you have about what it is. A spiritual path is a 
special kind of illusion, one that unwinds itself in the end, and vanishes. If 
you are still on the path, you can guess where you are not.

Re: [FairfieldLife] CNN Health: 10 herbs and spices that can help with weight loss

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 On 11/05/2011 07:32 AM, Tom Pall wrote:
 
 http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/04/health/gallery/weight-loss-spices-herbs/index.html
 
  I fear as usual our resident metabolic typing, supplements as wonder drug
  crazies will feel compelled to post their b.s. once I hit the send button
  for this post.

 Boogety boogety:-P

 Yup, a lot of anti-kapha spices there.  They work very well and bit by
 bit mainstream medicine is beginning to catch on.  Since Tom wants me to
 drive him crazy with metabolic typing stuff I need to mention you can
 also overshoot the moon and speed the metabolism too much then when you
 eat carbs they'll turn to fat.  Not anything crazy, just basic
 biochemistry.



My research tells me that Bourbon, ice and water destroy the liver.
Canadian Whiskey, ice and water destroy your kidneys.   Brandy, ice and
water destroy your brain.  This is the short list.   I decided I wanted to
not destroy any organs so I've cut out ice and water.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

Dear Vaj,

By continuing to claim you took me down, or exposed that I was unenlightened, 
you prove conclusively that you have never done Transcendental Meditation, you 
never met Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and you never made contact with my Unity 
Consciousness.

This assertion of yours demonstrates your absolute ignorance of the context of 
my enlightenment, and it is a violation of your own conscienceor, at best,  
evidence of the colossal extent of your mystical virginity when it comes to TM, 
Maharishi, and myself.

You have no idea about my enlightenment. You have no idea what went on during 
those ten years. For you to present your story to a single human being who 
attended a seminar or dinner during those ten years would result in your story 
being unconditionally condemned as an outright falsehood. This is simply what 
is the case, Vaj. For instance, my very enlightenment itself was mechanically 
leveraged off of the attempt of anyone to challenge the metaphysics of the 
context within which I acted at that time. For you to have attempted in any way 
to press me in the way you have said you didnot to mention issuing in the 
result you have proudly boasted ensuedwould have resulted in an unforgettable 
experience of being put in your place, and you would then know something about 
what TM, Maharishi, and my enlightenment was all about.

Look, the whole thing is ludicrous, Vaj. Ironically, as it turns out, *I did in 
fact need to be confronted*; however that confrontation was executed by my best 
friend, whose motives were pure, whose knowledge of me was comprehensive, and 
whose inspiration was indefectible.

If you can provide any witness who will go towards establishing even a 
scintilla of evidence for what you claimed in the post that Judy has made 
available to me, I shall put myself  permanently in Coventry, and ask for your 
forgiveness. The only thing that happened in that encounter was my dogged and 
fanatical refusal to submit myself to the context of the astrological reading 
of myself, drawn up by one of Maharishi's Indian confederatesa prestigious 
astrologer. Because I considered the idea of the stars having anything to do 
with my free will the insidious subversion of my Catholic soul.

This doctrinaire rigidity and inflexibility, that may have had the appearance 
of something laughableto those outside of the Catholic fold; but for me, I was 
being true to Mary and her grace. Or so I thought. I could not compromise 
myself. This is all. And I remember that my reasons for objecting to reading my 
chart were unassailable. So no dignity or integrity was in the least 
compromised by my stance.

There was nothing else that happened that afternoon; my enlightenment never 
came into the discussion, much less into the actual dynamics of the 
interpersonal exchanges. You know this, Vaj. That you fell into the temptation 
to concoct a false story about that incident was evidently irresistible; but 
had you talked to any person who knew me in those ten yearslike for instance 
Douglas Kyou would never mention this ludicrous tale again. I am surprised 
that no one has personally confronted you with the preposterousness of this 
story.

I have said enough. Any notion that there is even, infinitesimally, any truth 
in what you have said (in what Judy posted that was one of your posts from five 
years ago) and in what you insinuate here I reject categorically. 

Robin



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 5, 2011, at 12:02 AM, maskedzebra wrote:
 
  Again, it is not a matter of being determined that no one shall know that 
  that I have lost a battle as it were; it is a question of truth, If what 
  Vaj said happened that day did not happen, then I need to set the record 
  straight. It did not happen. And this is an extraordinary act of mendacity 
  on Vaj's part.
 
 
 I'm sorry, not to be mean, but you were totally clueless at the time as to 
 what went down. Gary in particular got a real kick out of what went down, as 
 he couldn't stop laughing. And since he's mentioned it to me several times 
 since then, I know he remembers it. And he still can't stop laughing when he 
 remembers.
 
 Suffice to say, your unenlightenment was sufficiently proven for all of us, 
 that evening.
 
 Since I still use this technique on the faux-enlightened, I will not reveal 
 the technique in public.

[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN Health: 10 herbs and spices that can help with weight loss

2011-11-05 Thread Alex Stanley



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 11/05/2011 07:32 AM, Tom Pall wrote:
  http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/04/health/gallery/weight-loss-spices-herbs/index.html
 
  I fear as usual our resident metabolic typing, supplements as wonder drug
  crazies will feel compelled to post their b.s. once I hit the send button
  for this post.
 
 Boogety boogety:-P
 
 Yup, a lot of anti-kapha spices there.  They work very well and bit by 
 bit mainstream medicine is beginning to catch on.  Since Tom wants me to 
 drive him crazy with metabolic typing stuff I need to mention you can 
 also overshoot the moon and speed the metabolism too much then when you 
 eat carbs they'll turn to fat.  Not anything crazy, just basic biochemistry.


I think macronutrient ratio would have a far bigger effect on weight loss than 
using herbs. Feed me a plate of rice and beans, and I'm going to be voraciously 
hungry in a couple hours, no matter how many herbs you mix in with it. But, 8oz 
of steak with a few tablespoons of butter will completely sate my appetite for 
six hours. I often experiment with eating and not eating various foods, and the 
one thing that is consistently true for me is that whenever I eat starchy food 
on a regular basis, my appetite is increased and I gain weight. The effect is 
more pronounced with grains and starchy root vegetables, but even dried beans 
have that effect. The one metabolic typing questionnaire I took online pegged 
me as a protein type, and that is clearly correct.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

2011-11-05 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Vaj belives that if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes
   a truth.  Bless his Buddhist heart.
  
  That is a wonderful insight. We repeat the lie of separation
  over and over again, over so many years. One day we wake up
  laughing, no longer seeing the lie. The lie is the pathway to
  truth, life is the deepest teacher. We repeatedly bang our
  head against the wall, but that cannot last. The wall banging
  comes to a stop. The lie cannot survive, it just takes some
  intense living of the lie for it to shrivel naturally from
  its own lack of foundation.
 
 Non sequitur and whopping category error.
 
 FAIL.

I do not think tartbrain was taking a test for receiving a grade. His response 
may be a non sequitur. (You will have to explain to me the category error Judy, 
as I have trouble with categories these days.) You have a very linear, logical 
mind, I think I used to be that way. Your mind is too tightly focused 
sometimes. tartbrain is describing the spontaneous unfolding of enlightenment, 
that aspect of the process of awakening where you basically have no control 
over how it is going to proceed. This is in fact the principle of TM. But 
outside of meditation, this other thing is going on, just like meditation, 
unraveling what we think the ultimate goal of meditation is going to be like, 
and also every other aspect of what we think our life is about.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CNN Health: 10 herbs and spices that can help with weight loss

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.comwrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 
  On 11/05/2011 07:32 AM, Tom Pall wrote:
  
 http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/04/health/gallery/weight-loss-spices-herbs/index.html
  
   I fear as usual our resident metabolic typing, supplements as wonder
 drug
   crazies will feel compelled to post their b.s. once I hit the send
 button
   for this post.
 
  Boogety boogety:-P
 
  Yup, a lot of anti-kapha spices there.  They work very well and bit by
  bit mainstream medicine is beginning to catch on.  Since Tom wants me to
  drive him crazy with metabolic typing stuff I need to mention you can
  also overshoot the moon and speed the metabolism too much then when you
  eat carbs they'll turn to fat.  Not anything crazy, just basic
 biochemistry.
 

 I think macronutrient ratio would have a far bigger effect on weight loss
 than using herbs. Feed me a plate of rice and beans, and I'm going to be
 voraciously hungry in a couple hours, no matter how many herbs you mix in
 with it. But, 8oz of steak with a few tablespoons of butter will completely
 sate my appetite for six hours. I often experiment with eating and not
 eating various foods, and the one thing that is consistently true for me is
 that whenever I eat starchy food on a regular basis, my appetite is
 increased and I gain weight. The effect is more pronounced with grains and
 starchy root vegetables, but even dried beans have that effect. The one
 metabolic typing questionnaire I took online pegged me as a protein type,
 and that is clearly correct.


Well, if you're a protein type, try eating soy and milk protein for a few
days.  Sounds to me more like you're an animal fat type with the typical
glycemic index thing as well.   One can drop a whole lot of weight eating
soy beans, which BTW have a low glycemic index and a lot of fiber.  Yeah,
enough hormones to turn you into a girlie man as well.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

Vaj: Suffice to say, in the case of RWC, he was always, from the beginning, 
quite transparent to me. 

RESPONSE: No one is transparent to anyone, Vaj. With this one statement, 
thoughand the post that Judy made available on FFL from 2006you have become 
always, from the beginning, quite transparent to mein this one sense: you are 
a liar. 

Beyond thatfor instance, why you felt you could get away with this fictitious 
story about meI cannot fathom you. But it is literally one of the greatest 
puzzles to me why you continueintelligent and learned and quick-witted as you 
areto pursue this sham project of claiming you are an ex-TM initiatorlet 
alone the slayer of my  pretended status as enlightened. 

There is a personal labyrinth there, which lies in all its dark intricacy and 
mystery: To make the declaration you have made here, which I quote, confirms 
the utter non-transparency of your self to your own self. What more can I say, 
Vaj? Are you sacrificing your credibility and honour for some esoteric purpose 
which we here at FFL can never dream to penetrate the meaning of? I can't 
understand this extraordinary self-mockery. But I will leave it to Curtis to 
explain youas he has done in the past, and for which, mysteriously, you never 
thanked him, even acknowledging what he had written on your behalf. You are 
trying to gain an audience by impugning any notion of your own honesty and 
integrity, and I do not understand this.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:29 AM, feste37 wrote:
 
  What an obnoxious post. You are saying, in effect, I can determine who is 
  enlightened and who isn't, but I'm not going to tell you how. Do you 
  seriously expect us to believe that?
 
 I'm NOT saying that, as I cannot guarantee it would work for everyone.
 
 As to whether you or anyone else believes it, it's immaterial. The event was 
 purely intended for those present.
 
 Having said that, practicing Dzogchen atiyoga for a sufficient amount a time 
 as to gain certainty in the direct, non-conventional experience of the 
 natural state is the best way I know to gain recognition of it in others, but 
 even that depends on the peculiar mix of obscurations of the people involved. 
 
 Suffice to say, in the case of RWC, he was always, from the beginning, quite 
 transparent to me.

[FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK

2011-11-05 Thread johnt

Why TM can't be learned from a book

A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. 
When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he 
also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as 
entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any 
practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a 
periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. 
This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well 
crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the 
mantra.

[FairfieldLife] The Rum Diary

2011-11-05 Thread turquoiseb

This movie is a homage, in many ways. First, Johnny Depp
actually discovered, discarded in a pile of papers in 
Hunter S. Thompson's house, the 1970 novel on which it
is based. He read it, decided it needed to see the light
of day, and was supposedly instrumental in getting it 
published. 

Now he's made a movie of it. Depp really liked Hunter,
and it shows. He's got Hunter's unique way of speaking
down to a T. But this is not the Hunter S. Thompson from
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. It's an earlier version
of Hunter, when he was just starting out as a journalist
and a writer. A total flop, he winds up in San Juan, 
Puerto Rico, trying to get a job at the only English 
language newspaper in town. 

In real life, he didn't get the job. In the novel he 
turned this experience into, however, not only did he 
get the job, he got the girl (Amber Heard), and sailed 
away into the sunset a hero. 

Which is real, and which not? 

Beats me. Hunter was so weird that as far as I can tell 
he really *may* have been capable of spawning alternate 
universes, in one of which the events of this novel/movie 
really happened. If so, I hope he's still happily wearing 
his sunglasses and living a wild and crazy life in that 
universe. He was just too cool (in a weird sort of way)
not to be. 

There he goes, one of God's own prototypes. A high-
powered mutant of some kind never even considered for 
mass production. Too weird to live, too rare to die.
~ Hunter S. Thompson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YUx36yLLug

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
   
Vaj belives that if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes
a truth.  Bless his Buddhist heart.
   
   That is a wonderful insight. We repeat the lie of separation
   over and over again, over so many years. One day we wake up
   laughing, no longer seeing the lie. The lie is the pathway to
   truth, life is the deepest teacher. We repeatedly bang our
   head against the wall, but that cannot last. The wall banging
   comes to a stop. The lie cannot survive, it just takes some
   intense living of the lie for it to shrivel naturally from
   its own lack of foundation.
  
  Non sequitur and whopping category error.
  
  FAIL.
 
 I do not think tartbrain was taking a test for receiving
 a grade.

I do not think I suggested that he was.

 His response may be a non sequitur. (You will have to explain
 to me the category error Judy, as I have trouble with
 categories these days.)

I may have to take back I said in my previous post
about your not *trying* to be obnoxious, O
Categoryless Wonder.

It would be a category error if tartbrain intended it
to be taken as a relevant response to what Nabby said,
which appears to have been the case. Nabby was not, of
course, talking about the unfolding of enlightenment
but about Vaj's belief concerning deliberate
misstatements of fact.

tartbrain's little insight would have been fine on
its own terms in, say, a separate post.

Classic example of a category mistake: after touring the
campus of Harvard, you look at all the buildings and
facilities and ask, But where is the university?

 You have a very linear, logical mind, I think I used to
 be that way.

O Lord of Alogical Nonlinearity, I bow down.

 Your mind is too tightly focused sometimes.

Yes, I know logic and focus seem to make some people
uncomfortable. If they're too much for you, might I
suggest that you not read my posts?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CNN Health: 10 herbs and spices that can help with weight loss

On 11/05/2011 10:32 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@...  wrote:
 On 11/05/2011 07:32 AM, Tom Pall wrote:
 http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/04/health/gallery/weight-loss-spices-herbs/index.html

 I fear as usual our resident metabolic typing, supplements as wonder drug
 crazies will feel compelled to post their b.s. once I hit the send button
 for this post.
 Boogety boogety:-P

 Yup, a lot of anti-kapha spices there.  They work very well and bit by
 bit mainstream medicine is beginning to catch on.  Since Tom wants me to
 drive him crazy with metabolic typing stuff I need to mention you can
 also overshoot the moon and speed the metabolism too much then when you
 eat carbs they'll turn to fat.  Not anything crazy, just basic biochemistry.

 I think macronutrient ratio would have a far bigger effect on weight loss 
 than using herbs. Feed me a plate of rice and beans, and I'm going to be 
 voraciously hungry in a couple hours, no matter how many herbs you mix in 
 with it. But, 8oz of steak with a few tablespoons of butter will completely 
 sate my appetite for six hours. I often experiment with eating and not eating 
 various foods, and the one thing that is consistently true for me is that 
 whenever I eat starchy food on a regular basis, my appetite is increased and 
 I gain weight. The effect is more pronounced with grains and starchy root 
 vegetables, but even dried beans have that effect. The one metabolic typing 
 questionnaire I took online pegged me as a protein type, and that is clearly 
 correct.

Metabolic typing, like ayurveda, can be a tremendous tool in aiding 
health.  Yes a protein type is usually a fast oxidizer and burn carbs 
too fast.  Eating more carbs will put on weight.  OTOH, someone like me 
when doing a low carb diet will become morose.  I need some carbs to 
keep seratonin up.

I keep metabolic supplements on hand.  The fast oxidizer tablets have 
always worked like anti-vata herbs do.  The supplements however are 
vitamins and minerals that slow the metabolism down.  The slow oxidizer 
tablets speed me up like anti-kapha herbs do.   This is somewhat 
opposite of what a few nutritional writers like Gabriel Cousins believe 
the correlation between metabolic typing and ayurveda is.

However Dr. Larry Wilson who has uses metabolic typing does correlate 
slow oxidizers to kapha types but fast oxidizers to pitta types.  He 
also calls ayurvedic doshas body states that don't directly correlate 
to the metabolic types.  I find the supplements he recommends which I 
order through a Bay Area  chiropractor do seem to correlate that way.  
Being a pitta-kapha and somewhat a mixed type I like to keep them on 
hand.  These supplements are more based on Dr. George Watson's formulas 
and refined more by a Dr. Eck.  Wilson in an article also relates to Yin 
and Yang which are the Chinese way of handling metabolic types.

http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/Oxidation%20Types%201104.htm

Thing is we're all different and one shoe will not fit all.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
   
Vaj belives that if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes
a truth.  Bless his Buddhist heart.
   
   That is a wonderful insight. We repeat the lie of separation
   over and over again, over so many years. One day we wake up
   laughing, no longer seeing the lie. The lie is the pathway to
   truth, life is the deepest teacher. We repeatedly bang our
   head against the wall, but that cannot last. The wall banging
   comes to a stop. The lie cannot survive, it just takes some
   intense living of the lie for it to shrivel naturally from
   its own lack of foundation.
  
  Non sequitur and whopping category error.
  
  FAIL.
 
 I do not think tartbrain was taking a test for receiving a grade.

Life is a classroom, experience is a teacher, probably the ultimate one (trace 
that lineage). Yet, I am unsure what a grade means in this class. Perhaps its 
Pass /Fail, a UC Santa Cruz of life. 

I like the notion of fail. There is no resolution. Of anything. Life is the 
playground of failure, loose ends, no tidy completions, incomprehensiveness, 
wonder, a trans-sequitur Pollack painting, a ball of string and stringy knots, 
a kleenx-box of mind states.  Failure in all of this is natural. No one leaves 
here with a passing grade. 

The leaving of that, the letting go, being A-OK with that is such a vast 
relief, like a long sigh of Atlas, a rush of vayu across the sky, an air gun 
with 12 foot nozzles blasting the mind, leaving a fresher view. 

When we find a string in the ground, we pull on it, we absorb, or are absorbed 
by the sequence it creates within our minds. That sequence may be different 
from person to person. Indeed, it would be odd if it were otherwise. To premise 
one perfect correct sequence for all people in all times is funny. 

And laughter is a means, and the end of, letting go of the need for 
completeness and resolution. Laughter is sensing the gap between and within the 
attempts at tidiness of all things, matters, ideas and quests.

I happened across the last part of Annie Hall recently. It closes with the 
story of a guy talking to his psychiatrist. My brother thinks that he is a 
chicken. Why don't you turn him in the doc asks.  I would but I need the 
eggs.  My mind thinks there are differences and that it can find resolution of 
them out there. It needs the eggs. Or so I have thought. 

 His response may be a non sequitur. (You will have to explain to me the 
 category error Judy, as I have trouble with categories these days.) You have 
 a very linear, logical mind, I think I used to be that way. Your mind is too 
 tightly focused sometimes. tartbrain is describing the spontaneous unfolding 
 of enlightenment, 


no, just the unfoldment of life.

that aspect of the process of awakening where you basically have no control 
over how it is going to proceed. 

becoming aware that there is no real control. More like the car on a areal 
merry-go-round sort of thing found in amusement parks. To kids, it looks like 
they are driving.  

This is in fact the principle of TM. But outside of meditation, this other 
thing is going on, just like meditation, 

take it as it comes applies to both, an underrated, often cliche-accused, gem.

unraveling what we think the ultimate goal of meditation is going to be like, 
and also every other aspect of what we think our life is about.


Interesting quest. Defining first, what is life about. And then, what it should 
be about. And how it will be about later. And what it will be about when we 
arrive. Its about resolutions. What if there is no car, no road, no place, no 
resolutions.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DOC-DEBUT: David Wants to Fly | Link TV

On 11/05/2011 06:47 AM, Vaj wrote:
 On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 AM, seventhray1 wrote:

 Thanks for the link.  Just saw it for the first time.  Very well done.

 What I'd like to see is an extra which includes the entire interview with 
 the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is 
 particularly damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students are 
 mis-pronouncing the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper teaching on 
 bhava-tita (the transcendent), etc.  It's quite liberating to hear. Let's 
 hope David eventually releases it with subtitles. He could even release it as 
 a separate mini-documentary, An Interview with the Shankaracharya. Without 
 ever mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it deals a final deathblow.

Do you have a link to the transcription?  I'd love to read it.  One 
expert in the field showed me the more traditional way of using the beej 
mantras by themselves as a meditation.  A bit removed from TM.

BTW, LinkTV is on some cable networks.  Apparently on channel 27 on 
Comcast and Astound in San Francisco on the weekends.  It's often hard 
to tell as the channels may say local access or paid programming for 
listings.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Occupy the Domes!!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 I have to say I really loved this post - very humorous :-).


Yeah, CurtisDb and the Rajas in the anti-saint bed together.



 
 
 On Nov 4, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Buck  wrote:
 
  CurtisDb, I see you're Holding the Line, I'm reading your old and very 
  conservative feelings here about the dome program and can see by that very 
  same token a deeply held concern that our meditators visiting saints would 
  keep themselves out of the Domes and diminish our communal numbers 
  meditating together here. CurtisDb, you might be picketing the meetings 
  coming up in Vedic City soon with spiritual teacher, saint, and master, 
  John Douglas? 
  
  Master John Douglas is going to very shortly be visiting Fairfield again. 
  This is clearly antagonizing to the dome numbers. As a proponent of the 
  anti-saint doctrine, will you be putting yourself in the arrest line out 
  front at the demonstrations to Save the Dome Numbers outside his meetings 
  in Vedic City? Or at least help incite in singing to rally a unified 
  reactionary Raja response singing protest songs against saints! Look 
  what's happening in the Streets, have a revolution, have a revolution! You 
  could be instrumental in the Maharishi said anti-saint movement here. 
  You're off FFL for a week, catch a fast train West out of Union Station 
  quick. The Rajas could use your help here. 
  
  We could get you a gig at Paradiso Cafe if that would help. A lot of famous 
  people have played there or at least had coffee there.
  
  It's time to bring up the reserves, 
  
  -Buck in FF 
  
  
   Dear CurtisDb, I do appreciate your concern. However first let me say 
   that, like with other things, Maharishi told many different people at 
   different times different things about seeing or being with the saints. 
   The problem with the Fairfield dome numbers is not with people seeing the 
   saints. The problem is with the TM-Rajas at this point. 
   
   This communal problem with the TM-Rajas is not going to change until the 
   TM-Rajas change how they have chosen to see it. The dome numbers are what 
   they are and it is the fault now of the TM-Raja's. That TM-Taliban-Raja 
   element and that Prime Minister in particular. We all shall help the 
   situation by joining together to occupy the domes in meditation, as best 
   we can. To that end the Rajas need to immediately change those 
   administrative guidelines and just ask that people do TM and the 
   TM-Siddhis while at 'Occupy the Domes', or on the IA course. That is 
   simply for a scientific control over the research being done. People's 
   experience and the science seems to indicate that it's a worthy mission.
   
   Secondly, I'm an old devotee of SBS Guru Dev and he certainly said to go 
   and be with the saints. I'm with him in this. The TM-Rajas are clearly 
   wrong and ignorant about seeing saints. The Rajas are in the way of the 
   dome numbers and invincibilty.
   
   Jai Guru Dev,
   -Buck 
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:

 I know that this may be challenging for so many of you who have given 
 yourselves other responsibilities, including family, work and other 
 demands on your time and I sincerely appreciate that everybody has 
 been doing their very best to come to the group meditation program. 
 Nonetheless, during this short period of time, if you could make a 
 mighty effort to come more often, even as much as a few more times 
 each week, that will go a very long way to increasing our numbers 
 again. -Buck


I would like to second that and add an appeal for people to stop seeing 
other saints and conform to the guidelines set out from our dear 
Maharishi, so that more people can participate inside the domes instead 
of pretending to be part of his program under his wishes and guidelines 
outside the domes because the exhaust from all the surrounding cars 
that have to start up occasionally for heat pipe in carbon monoxide to 
the dome's air vents and are causing health issues for the people who 
have actually made the sacrifices necessary to be allowed into program. 





 
 
 
  
  At 7:30am and 5pm. Daily.
  
  
   Come and let's re-occupy our positions at the domes. Let's 
   re-take the domes for ourselves, the science and the world. Come 
   to meditation.
  
   

We have all been together with Maharishi for so many years, and 
I know that you understand the dynamics at play and will do 
whatever you can to help achieve Maharishi's vision for our 
world.  


 I often think of how tenderly our beloved Maharishi spoke 
 about the people who responded to his call

[FairfieldLife] Re: DOC-DEBUT: David Wants to Fly | Link TV

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 11/05/2011 06:47 AM, Vaj wrote:
snip
  What I'd like to see is an extra which includes the entire interview with 
  the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is 
  particularly damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students are 
  mis-pronouncing the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper teaching 
  on bhava-tita (the transcendent), etc.  It's quite liberating to hear. 
  Let's hope David eventually releases it with subtitles. He could even 
  release it as a separate mini-documentary, An Interview with the 
  Shankaracharya. Without ever mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it deals 
  a final deathblow.
 
 Do you have a link to the transcription?  I'd love to read it.

If Vaj is referring to the 1986 Kropinski interview with
Swaroopanand, it's available here:

http://www.minet.org/Documents/index.html

Scroll down the list. It's in five parts.

I'm not sure this is what was shown in David Wants to Fly,
however, because I don't believe the Kropinski interview
was filmed.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
   Having said that, practicing Dzogchen atiyoga for a sufficient amount a 
   time as to gain certainty in the direct, non-conventional experience of 
   the natural state is the best way I know to gain recognition of it in 
   others, but even that depends on the peculiar mix of obscurations of the 
   people involved. 
 
  Recognizing the natural state in others and all is natural. If you 
  recognize the natural state at some times, in some people, in some things, 
  but at other times see appearances  other than the natural state, perhaps 
  that is a reflection of obscurations. 
  
  When you see Robin as natural state, is its nature LoveBliss?
 
 If you are in your natural state, everything is in its natural state. That is 
 always from the POV of one's own body. While everyone is perceived to be in 
 their natural state, those other bodies may not be noticing that from their 
 POV. Finding out if those other bodies are experiencing their natural state 
 from their POV is more involved, 

But is it meaningful? I am sure it must be, else why would Jim and Vaj pursue 
it. I  seek to uncover the blinds of my life to see more fully what they see.

I take Jim and Vaj at their words that they are living natural state, that 
there is nothing outside of what they are. At a minimum, that is appreciating 
lovebliss everywhere, even some numbskulls experience that. So I am awed and 
curious about the deeper understandings they have come to -- beyond knowing all 
to be within themselves, radiating, even if recognized as a subtle illusion, 
intense love bliss.


 because first of all they have to describe what they are experiencing. If 
 they say they are seeking their natural state, then obviously they are not 
 there yet, as an experience. It is another matter if they are claiming 
 enlightenment. 

Which if anyone is, is their playing, mischievous joking, with us. 

tartbrain I think is right in saying that if you are in the natural state, 
that is the only thing you can experience, but it does not necessarily mean 
the body that seems to house that experience is omniscient.
 

Omniscience is a large word. But omniscinece of what? Of the loose, unresoved 
ends of the universe? Is there a lack in not being omniscient? 

Perhaps it is like saying, I have not seen every rerun of Lavern and 
Shirley, as in I am not omniscient about some details of inconsequential 
loose ends. Does it matter if one is not concerned with loose ends, if one 
understands there is never any resolution of loose ends? Trans-omniscience 
seems more fulfilling than omniscience.  Ha, but unless I am omniscient, how 
would I know.

  
 Suppose we have a great master. What can they tell? Is it possible to fool a 
 master? The master-disciple relationship is almost always under certain 
 controlled conditions, in which the master's position in the relationship is 
 clearly delineated. Supposing you run into such a master on the street never 
 having seen him or her before, and have no idea who that person is. You 
 strike up a conversation. Who can tell what about what state each is in? I 
 have no idea what the answer to this question might be.
 
 P.S. What does it mean to say (as Vaj did above) 'to gain certainty in the 
 direct, non-conventional experience of the natural state', is this a 
 reference to the natural state not being a typical experience for people, 
 that it is thus uncommon? The natural state could never be non-conventional 
 in another meaning because it is the only state of existence, and in that 
 meaning, totally conventional. There is nothing special to do to have the 
 natural state except getting rid of the illusions you have about what it is. 

A spiritual path is a special kind of illusion, one that unwinds itself in the 
end, and vanishes. If you are still on the path, you can guess where you are 
not.


Yes. I think the Supremes said it well, Stop! In the Name of Love

The direct antidote to the life of Rawhide

Rollin', rollin', rollin'.
Rollin', rollin', rollin'.
Rollin', rollin', rollin'.
Rollin', rollin', rollin'.
Rawhide!

[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN Health: 10 herbs and spices that can help with weight loss

2011-11-05 Thread johnt

Low carb definitely has researched health benefits and you can even do it 
vegetarian or vegan. Goggle Flexi Diet

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... 
wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  On 11/05/2011 07:32 AM, Tom Pall wrote:
   http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/04/health/gallery/weight-loss-spices-herbs/index.html
  
   I fear as usual our resident metabolic typing, supplements as wonder drug
   crazies will feel compelled to post their b.s. once I hit the send button
   for this post.
  
  Boogety boogety:-P
  
  Yup, a lot of anti-kapha spices there.  They work very well and bit by 
  bit mainstream medicine is beginning to catch on.  Since Tom wants me to 
  drive him crazy with metabolic typing stuff I need to mention you can 
  also overshoot the moon and speed the metabolism too much then when you 
  eat carbs they'll turn to fat.  Not anything crazy, just basic biochemistry.
 
 
 I think macronutrient ratio would have a far bigger effect on weight loss 
 than using herbs. Feed me a plate of rice and beans, and I'm going to be 
 voraciously hungry in a couple hours, no matter how many herbs you mix in 
 with it. But, 8oz of steak with a few tablespoons of butter will completely 
 sate my appetite for six hours. I often experiment with eating and not eating 
 various foods, and the one thing that is consistently true for me is that 
 whenever I eat starchy food on a regular basis, my appetite is increased and 
 I gain weight. The effect is more pronounced with grains and starchy root 
 vegetables, but even dried beans have that effect. The one metabolic typing 
 questionnaire I took online pegged me as a protein type, and that is clearly 
 correct.

[FairfieldLife] Re: DOC-DEBUT: David Wants to Fly | Link TV



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 11/05/2011 06:47 AM, Vaj wrote:
  On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 AM, seventhray1 wrote:
 
  Thanks for the link.  Just saw it for the first time.  Very well done.
 
  What I'd like to see is an extra which includes the entire interview with 
  the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. It has been transcribed and it is 
  particularly damning to Mahesh yogi, as it touches on how his students are 
  mis-pronouncing the mantras, the lack of understanding and proper teaching 
  on bhava-tita (the transcendent), etc.  It's quite liberating to hear. 
  Let's hope David eventually releases it with subtitles. He could even 
  release it as a separate mini-documentary, An Interview with the 
  Shankaracharya. Without ever mentioning Mahesh's spiritual incest it deals 
  a final deathblow.
 
 Do you have a link to the transcription?  I'd love to read it.  One 
 expert in the field showed me the more traditional way of using the beej 
 mantras by themselves as a meditation.  A bit removed from TM.
 


Here is a transcript of what appears to be a conversation between S  S from 
Paul Mason's site. I don't recall all of this in the film, though.

http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/TheLastInstruction.html

I was the desciple of Gurudev and had [been] taken into his fold through a 
ceremony called Dand Sanyaas which Mahesh Yogi could not get done as he was not 
a Brahman. Also Mahesh was his secretary and he was not Gurudev's disciple in 
any way but was a part of the administrative staff.

So far as I know he did not know anything about yoga so I have no idea how he 
became Yogi. But he was very smart and shrewd. He was responsible for the 
controversy over Shankaracharya's here in Jyotirmath. He wanted to put up here 
a Shankaracharya who would listen to him. That was his motive behind dividing 
the Jyotirmath.

After Gurudev's demise he spread the news that there is a will made by Gurudev 
on his name and that claims him to be Gurudev`s disciple...
The will named four people- the first name was Shantanand, second DwarkaPrasad 
Shastri, third name was Vishnudevanand and fourth name was Parmanand.
Now when the will was opened for reading it turned out that Shantanand did not 
understand Sanskrit, he used to work for Geeta press on the salary of 14 rupees 
per month and thus was not capable enough, secondly, Dwarkaprasad Shastri, was 
a married man with family, thirdly, Vishnudevanand, was not educated enough and 
fourth, Parmanand, who was M.A., his big toe on the right leg was amputed and a 
disabled [person] is not given Sanyaas, thus he was nullified. Thus the four 
were rejected and Swami Krishnabodhashramji was made Shankaracharya but Mahesh 
Yogi instigated Shantanand to fight the court case. He was given a car and 
money and all other assistance and help. 

Now Sita Saraf was in Kolkatta when Gurudev passed away and she along with 
Mahesh played out a drama claiming that they asked Gurudev to accept their 
lives but Gurudev refused and passed away. It was also spread far and wide that 
when Gurudev's soul was leaving his body, Mahesh Yogi's soul was also exit-ing 
but Gurudev pushed his soul back because Mahesh had to complete Gurudev's 
incomplete work for which he had to go abroad!!!

Also, as per the will that was revealed, it stated clearly that the order of 
succession was to be Shantanand, Dwarkaprasad Shastri, Vishnudevanand and 
Parmanand. However all of them passed away in exactly the reverse order! If 
Gurudev, who has the far sight to forsee such events, had written the will, how 
could they all pass away in exactly the reverse order??

Therefore, if this is so, that he was a 'siddha  mahatma', why was this in 
reverse order?

- Swami Swaroopanand, speaking to film-maker David Sieveking, 22nd May 2009

[FairfieldLife] Re: Occupy the Domes!!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
 
  I have to say I really loved this post - very humorous :-).
 
 
 Yeah, CurtisDb and the Rajas in the anti-saint bed together.


Does Curtis sing The Walking Blues to them in the morning?

When the rajas wake up (i mean in the morning) what sort of bed head do they 
have? Or does the crown keep it all nice and neat?

 

Woke up this morning I looked 'round for my shoes
You know I had those mean old walking blues
Yeah, I woke up this morning I looked 'round for my shoes
Girl, I had those, ooh, mean old walking blues

Some people tell me that worried blues ain't bad
It's the worst old feeling I ever had
People tell me that worried blues ain't bad
It's the worst old feeling, ooh child, I ever had

Looks run to the ocean and the ocean runs to the sea
If I don't find my baby, don't bury me
Look to the ocean and the ocean went to the sea
Yeah, if I don't find my baby, ooh yeah, don't bury me

Minutes seem like hours and hours seem like days
Since my baby started her low down ways, yeah
Minutes seem like hours and hours seem like days
Since my baby, ooh, started her low down ways

I woke up this morning, people, I looked 'round for my shoes
You know I had those mean old walking blues
Yeah, I woke up this morning I looked 'round for my shoes
Yeah, you know I had those, ooh, mean old walking blues
(Robert Johnson)
-

Curtis does a wonderful version of Walkin' Blues (well, I am sure many many 
versions, but I heard the one from his CD or site.) Maybe as good, though very 
different style, to Paul Butterfield, which may be the deepest vasana I have 
for that song -- probably having to do with the times, those days, of my first 
darshan with that version (ah, the shakti!!, ha. Like new dimensions opened up).



 
 
 
  
  
  On Nov 4, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Buck  wrote:
  
   CurtisDb, I see you're Holding the Line, I'm reading your old and very 
   conservative feelings here about the dome program and can see by that 
   very same token a deeply held concern that our meditators visiting saints 
   would keep themselves out of the Domes and diminish our communal numbers 
   meditating together here. CurtisDb, you might be picketing the meetings 
   coming up in Vedic City soon with spiritual teacher, saint, and master, 
   John Douglas? 
   
   Master John Douglas is going to very shortly be visiting Fairfield again. 
   This is clearly antagonizing to the dome numbers. As a proponent of the 
   anti-saint doctrine, will you be putting yourself in the arrest line out 
   front at the demonstrations to Save the Dome Numbers outside his meetings 
   in Vedic City? Or at least help incite in singing to rally a unified 
   reactionary Raja response singing protest songs against saints! Look 
   what's happening in the Streets, have a revolution, have a revolution! 
   You could be instrumental in the Maharishi said anti-saint movement 
   here. You're off FFL for a week, catch a fast train West out of Union 
   Station quick. The Rajas could use your help here. 
   
   We could get you a gig at Paradiso Cafe if that would help. A lot of 
   famous people have played there or at least had coffee there.
   
   It's time to bring up the reserves, 
   
   -Buck in FF 
   
   
Dear CurtisDb, I do appreciate your concern. However first let me say 
that, like with other things, Maharishi told many different people at 
different times different things about seeing or being with the saints. 
The problem with the Fairfield dome numbers is not with people seeing 
the saints. The problem is with the TM-Rajas at this point. 

This communal problem with the TM-Rajas is not going to change until 
the TM-Rajas change how they have chosen to see it. The dome numbers 
are what they are and it is the fault now of the TM-Raja's. That 
TM-Taliban-Raja element and that Prime Minister in particular. We all 
shall help the situation by joining together to occupy the domes in 
meditation, as best we can. To that end the Rajas need to immediately 
change those administrative guidelines and just ask that people do TM 
and the TM-Siddhis while at 'Occupy the Domes', or on the IA course. 
That is simply for a scientific control over the research being done. 
People's experience and the science seems to indicate that it's a 
worthy mission.

Secondly, I'm an old devotee of SBS Guru Dev and he certainly said to 
go and be with the saints. I'm with him in this. The TM-Rajas are 
clearly wrong and ignorant about seeing saints. The Rajas are in the 
way of the dome numbers and invincibilty.

Jai Guru Dev,
-Buck 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:

 -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
 
  I know that this may be challenging

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson


On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 PM, maskedzebra wrote:

 Look, the whole thing is ludicrous, Vaj. Ironically, as it turns out, *I did 
 in fact need to be confronted*; however that confrontation was executed by my 
 best friend, whose motives were pure, whose knowledge of me was 
 comprehensive, and whose inspiration was indefectible.

Like I said, please feel free to contact me. I'm sure G. would be glad to talk 
to you about it.

But it's a mistake to believe I would enter into the egocentric play of demonic 
confrontation with you. It's an ego phenomenon as far as I'm concerned, and 
thus never an approach I would take. My approach was much more subtle. Demonic 
confrontation probably worked on folks who were highly hypnotically suggestible 
and who bought into and/or surrendered to Maheshism and it's mythos. By that 
era, I knew much better. As you already pointed out we not only knew that Swami 
Brahmananda had been poisoned: we knew that Mahesh was a leading suspect. And 
of course we also knew about Judith and her affair (and others). Mahesh's 
status as an asuriac guru was already an established one. It just took the rest 
of the world a bit longer to catch up. As the true story is aired to the 
collective consciousness of America this weekend, the gig is finally up.

So who was this who confronted you? FF?

 If you can provide any witness who will go towards establishing even a 
 scintilla of evidence for what you claimed in the post that Judy has made 
 available to me, I shall put myself permanently in Coventry, and ask for your 
 forgiveness. The only thing that happened in that encounter was my dogged and 
 fanatical refusal to submit myself to the context of the astrological reading 
 of myself, drawn up by one of Maharishi's Indian confederates—a prestigious 
 astrologer. Because I considered the idea of the stars having anything to do 
 with my free will the insidious subversion of my Catholic soul.

On reflection I believe that may have been a reading by Chakrapani Uhlal that 
was done using your birth data. I do not have your birth data in my files.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CNN Health: 10 herbs and spices that can help with weight loss

However you have to take into account the acid/alkaline balance too.  
For some folks a vegetarian version will make them too alkaline.  Fast 
oxidizers are often too alkaline.  In rare cases a vegetarian diet can 
make some people more acid and meat make them more alkaline.  There are 
more than a few simple factors to consider.

On 11/05/2011 12:08 PM, johnt wrote:
 Low carb definitely has researched health benefits and you can even do it 
 vegetarian or vegan. Goggle Flexi Diet

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanleyj_alexander_stanley@... 
  wrote:


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@  wrote:
 On 11/05/2011 07:32 AM, Tom Pall wrote:
 http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/04/health/gallery/weight-loss-spices-herbs/index.html

 I fear as usual our resident metabolic typing, supplements as wonder drug
 crazies will feel compelled to post their b.s. once I hit the send button
 for this post.
 Boogety boogety:-P

 Yup, a lot of anti-kapha spices there.  They work very well and bit by
 bit mainstream medicine is beginning to catch on.  Since Tom wants me to
 drive him crazy with metabolic typing stuff I need to mention you can
 also overshoot the moon and speed the metabolism too much then when you
 eat carbs they'll turn to fat.  Not anything crazy, just basic biochemistry.

 I think macronutrient ratio would have a far bigger effect on weight loss 
 than using herbs. Feed me a plate of rice and beans, and I'm going to be 
 voraciously hungry in a couple hours, no matter how many herbs you mix in 
 with it. But, 8oz of steak with a few tablespoons of butter will completely 
 sate my appetite for six hours. I often experiment with eating and not 
 eating various foods, and the one thing that is consistently true for me is 
 that whenever I eat starchy food on a regular basis, my appetite is 
 increased and I gain weight. The effect is more pronounced with grains and 
 starchy root vegetables, but even dried beans have that effect. The one 
 metabolic typing questionnaire I took online pegged me as a protein type, 
 and that is clearly correct.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chakras from me



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:


snip
 A guru is essential as it is possible to meditate the first time 
 and have the kundalini rise to crown chakra which can be very 
 disconcerting. 

Really?

[FairfieldLife] Curtis and The Walking Blues -- Occupy the Domes!!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote:



 -


  Curtis does a wonderful version of Walkin' Blues (well, I am sure many
many versions, but I heard the one from his CD or site.) Maybe as good,
though very different style, to Paul Butterfield, which I am partial to
-- probably having to do with the times, those days, of my first darshan
with that version (new dimensions opened up).
But you be the judge (non judgmentally, ha).
Erichttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THPXoLjQX-Y
Roberthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sml8W5SAwo

Paulhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8TNYEJmnF4http://www.youtube.com/wat\
ch?v=VoNJysPjjtchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kpz-1qpNBwfeature=fvst
Bonniehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z65oAMwWq54
Susanhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I1AH5Bshukfeature=related
Deadhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sPYml9xO-E
Quicksilverhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBBtIPvU3t0

And for the  grand finale, our own Headliner:  Curtis Blues!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-arnwUV2VI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-arnwUV2VI
http://www.curtisblues.com/videos.htm
http://www.curtisblues.com/videos.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

My dear Vaj,

Are you out of your f**king mind? Stop this treacherous gametreacherous to the 
truth, treacherous to your conscience, treacherous to the integrity of our 
personal history.

You continueinfuriatingly, inexplicablyto avoid, to slip away from, to 
sidestep any and all attempts to make you take responsibility for your words, 
for your actions.

I cannot comprehend the why of this. Sure, I know of at least two persons here 
at FFL who, because of your pariah status with so many others, encourage and 
befriend you; however, unless and until you come clean and be real with me, I 
could never contemplate going any further in our conversation.

I am not some victim trying to get you to lay off of me, Vaj; I am an adult 
human being who is appalled and confounded by your compulsive need and ambition 
to serve your own cause by playing false with the truth. This utterly baffles 
me.

The issue is very simple: you lied about that episode. You lied consciously and 
cunningly.. There is not a single thing you said (in that original post of 
yours that Judy posted here last night) that bears any correspondence to the 
truth. VAJ: WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? You are making a spectacle of yourself. Fly 
here through your BuddhismI am at Starbucks at Bloor and Bedfordand we can 
talk. But if you can't levitate yourself all the way to Toronto, then you also 
can't keep insisting there is a particle truth in what you say about me.

There is a difference, there really is, Vaj, between what we imagine in our 
minds to be true (if only it was) and what goes down in reality. You have 
thought to make of your desires the equivalent of having been realized in 
actual space-time-causation; whereas those desires and fantasies remain only 
true in your imagination. You know this. You habitually succumb to this Walter 
Mittyism-Pinocchioism. I suppose, having read these most recent posts of 
yourself, you have no control over this. This is a pity.

Now if you ever said anything to me by way of showing me I was not seeing 
reality as clearly as you wereand you acted upon this decisivelythen you 
should possess the legacy of this event such as to confront me here, now in all 
that I say.

I don't sense your methodology of revealing the truth of me working for you. 
Your technique is powerless, and it is ridiculous. It has never influenced 
anything or anyone inside the universe and you know it.

I'll be sitting right by the front entranceand I will be remaining here for 
only the next five minutes. So be quick. Hot chocolate's on me.

And then we can discuss your Buddhism in earnest.

Robin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:30 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
 
  Look, the whole thing is ludicrous, Vaj. Ironically, as it turns out, *I 
  did in fact need to be confronted*; however that confrontation was executed 
  by my best friend, whose motives were pure, whose knowledge of me was 
  comprehensive, and whose inspiration was indefectible.
 
 Like I said, please feel free to contact me. I'm sure G. would be glad to 
 talk to you about it.
 
 But it's a mistake to believe I would enter into the egocentric play of 
 demonic confrontation with you. It's an ego phenomenon as far as I'm 
 concerned, and thus never an approach I would take. My approach was much more 
 subtle. Demonic confrontation probably worked on folks who were highly 
 hypnotically suggestible and who bought into and/or surrendered to Maheshism 
 and it's mythos. By that era, I knew much better. As you already pointed out 
 we not only knew that Swami Brahmananda had been poisoned: we knew that 
 Mahesh was a leading suspect. And of course we also knew about Judith and her 
 affair (and others). Mahesh's status as an asuriac guru was already an 
 established one. It just took the rest of the world a bit longer to catch up. 
 As the true story is aired to the collective consciousness of America this 
 weekend, the gig is finally up.
 
 So who was this who confronted you? FF?
 
  If you can provide any witness who will go towards establishing even a 
  scintilla of evidence for what you claimed in the post that Judy has made 
  available to me, I shall put myself permanently in Coventry, and ask for 
  your forgiveness. The only thing that happened in that encounter was my 
  dogged and fanatical refusal to submit myself to the context of the 
  astrological reading of myself, drawn up by one of Maharishi's Indian 
  confederatesa prestigious astrologer. Because I considered the idea of the 
  stars having anything to do with my free will the insidious subversion of 
  my Catholic soul.
 
 On reflection I believe that may have been a reading by Chakrapani Uhlal that 
 was done using your birth data. I do not have your birth data in my files.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson


On Nov 5, 2011, at 2:16 PM, maskedzebra wrote:

 Vaj: Suffice to say, in the case of RWC, he was always, from the beginning, 
 quite transparent to me. 
 
 RESPONSE: No one is transparent to anyone, Vaj.


That's not true. It all depends on circumstances and the experience of the 
individual. And of course we're talking about a relative transparency, not an 
absolute one. I am not claiming to be omnicient. I'm merely pointing out, I saw 
through the game even though you still have not. That would probably take years 
of intense and willing work on your behalf. Why some people are more 
transparent to others is probably too complex to explain. You either are or you 
are not. We read some people, we can't read others.

At your stage of life it's unlikely that you will change, but will instead 
transfer your unresolved issues onto an heretical formulation of Roman 
Catholicism. Frankly I'm surprised you haven't started your own denomination.

But I wish you the best and hope your able to water the root of your many 
likable qualities.

 But I will leave it to Curtis to explain you—as he has done in the past, and 
 for which, mysteriously, you never thanked him, even acknowledging what he 
 had written on your behalf. You are trying to gain an audience by impugning 
 any notion of your own honesty and integrity, and I do not understand this.

I'm sorry I don't know what you're referring to here. I have thanked him in the 
past, but it may help you to understand that I actually read very few of the 
posts here. Much less ones that are overly self-cherishing, narcissistic or 
drhma charged. Having 'been there, done that' I probably am least 
interested in reading long, drawn out dramas of yours.

If I missed those posts more recently, my thanks to Dear Curtis.

[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN Health: 10 herbs and spices that can help with weight loss

I have heard of this too, as said below by Bhairitu..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 However you have to take into account the acid/alkaline balance too.  
 For some folks a vegetarian version will make them too alkaline.  Fast 
 oxidizers are often too alkaline.  In rare cases a vegetarian diet can 
 make some people more acid and meat make them more alkaline.  There are 
 more than a few simple factors to consider.
 
 On 11/05/2011 12:08 PM, johnt wrote:
  Low carb definitely has researched health benefits and you can even do it 
  vegetarian or vegan. Goggle Flexi Diet
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanleyj_alexander_stanley@  
  wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@  wrote:
  On 11/05/2011 07:32 AM, Tom Pall wrote:
  http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/04/health/gallery/weight-loss-spices-herbs/index.html
 
  I fear as usual our resident metabolic typing, supplements as wonder drug
  crazies will feel compelled to post their b.s. once I hit the send button
  for this post.
  Boogety boogety:-P
 
  Yup, a lot of anti-kapha spices there.  They work very well and bit by
  bit mainstream medicine is beginning to catch on.  Since Tom wants me to
  drive him crazy with metabolic typing stuff I need to mention you can
  also overshoot the moon and speed the metabolism too much then when you
  eat carbs they'll turn to fat.  Not anything crazy, just basic 
  biochemistry.
 
  I think macronutrient ratio would have a far bigger effect on weight loss 
  than using herbs. Feed me a plate of rice and beans, and I'm going to be 
  voraciously hungry in a couple hours, no matter how many herbs you mix in 
  with it. But, 8oz of steak with a few tablespoons of butter will 
  completely sate my appetite for six hours. I often experiment with eating 
  and not eating various foods, and the one thing that is consistently true 
  for me is that whenever I eat starchy food on a regular basis, my appetite 
  is increased and I gain weight. The effect is more pronounced with grains 
  and starchy root vegetables, but even dried beans have that effect. The 
  one metabolic typing questionnaire I took online pegged me as a protein 
  type, and that is clearly correct.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

Right.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 5, 2011, at 2:16 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
 
  Vaj: Suffice to say, in the case of RWC, he was always, from the beginning, 
  quite transparent to me. 
  
  RESPONSE: No one is transparent to anyone, Vaj.
 
 
 That's not true. It all depends on circumstances and the experience of the 
 individual. And of course we're talking about a relative transparency, not an 
 absolute one. I am not claiming to be omnicient. I'm merely pointing out, I 
 saw through the game even though you still have not. That would probably take 
 years of intense and willing work on your behalf. Why some people are more 
 transparent to others is probably too complex to explain. You either are or 
 you are not. We read some people, we can't read others.
 
 At your stage of life it's unlikely that you will change, but will instead 
 transfer your unresolved issues onto an heretical formulation of Roman 
 Catholicism. Frankly I'm surprised you haven't started your own denomination.
 
 But I wish you the best and hope your able to water the root of your many 
 likable qualities.
 
  But I will leave it to Curtis to explain youas he has done in the past, 
  and for which, mysteriously, you never thanked him, even acknowledging what 
  he had written on your behalf. You are trying to gain an audience by 
  impugning any notion of your own honesty and integrity, and I do not 
  understand this.
 
 I'm sorry I don't know what you're referring to here. I have thanked him in 
 the past, but it may help you to understand that I actually read very few of 
 the posts here. Much less ones that are overly self-cherishing, narcissistic 
 or drhma charged. Having 'been there, done that' I probably am least 
 interested in reading long, drawn out dramas of yours.
 
 If I missed those posts more recently, my thanks to Dear Curtis.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson


On Nov 5, 2011, at 3:59 PM, maskedzebra wrote:

 The issue is very simple: you lied about that episode. You lied consciously 
 and cunningly.. There is not a single thing you said (in that original post 
 of yours that Judy posted here last night) that bears any correspondence to 
 the truth. VAJ: WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? You are making a spectacle of 
 yourself. Fly here through your Buddhism—I am at Starbucks at Bloor and 
 Bedford—and we can talk. But if you can't levitate yourself all the way to 
 Toronto, then you also can't keep insisting there is a particle truth in what 
 you say about me.

I wouldn't get so worked up about it R. What I said was true to those who were 
present and knew what was going down. If I had a magic wand that could have 
changed the past, I'd leave it just the way it was. Verification, 
discrimination and recognition can be very context dependent. In the 
aforementioned case you're lamenting so much about, over the spilled milk of 
decades gone by, that context has come and gone. It need not be repeated. We've 
all moved on.

You should too.

 There is a difference, there really is, Vaj, between what we imagine in our 
 minds to be true (if only it was) and what goes down in reality. You have 
 thought to make of your desires the equivalent of having been realized in 
 actual space-time-causation; whereas those desires and fantasies remain only 
 true in your imagination. You know this. You habitually succumb to this 
 Walter Mittyism-Pinocchioism. I suppose, having read these most recent posts 
 of yourself, you have no control over this. This is a pity.
 
 Now if you ever said anything to me by way of showing me I was not seeing 
 reality as clearly as you were—and you acted upon this decisively—then you 
 should possess the legacy of this event such as to confront me here, now in 
 all that I say.

It's all old news for me I'm afraid. That time has long passed. I'm sorry it's 
still lamentable for you, but I've moved on.

 
 I don't sense your methodology of revealing the truth of me working for you. 
 Your technique is powerless, and it is ridiculous. It has never influenced 
 anything or anyone inside the universe and you know it.

Spontaneous koans are, as I've already said, quite contextual. It's clear you 
need to hear what it was I did that night, and there's nothing I'm going to say 
- indeed in order to do I'd have to reformulate my mindset of 1985 (or whenever 
it was) and hope I was conveying something still worth hearing - to ears 
capable of hearing.

In your case i already know they'd fall on death ears. It would seem that 
asuriac gurus beget similar asuriac qualities, even if they're not direct 
carbon copies. You have a very big ego. Still.

 I'll be sitting right by the front entrance—and I will be remaining here for 
 only the next five minutes. So be quick. Hot chocolate's on me.
 
 And then we can discuss your Buddhism in earnest.

Certain things are better lived than talked about.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson


On Nov 5, 2011, at 2:16 PM, maskedzebra wrote:

 RESPONSE: No one is transparent to anyone, Vaj.

BTW, when you point the finger of demonic confrontation at someone else, 
methinks it might be a good idea to look at the three pointing back at you:

On Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:18 pm maskedzebra 'pined:

 anyone who
 claims to be enlightened, first of all is not enlightened in the sense that 
 the
 universe or reality is getting behind that enlightenment—as it did in the case
 of Maharishi, as it did, in the case of myself; and secondly they are making
 themselves weaker as a human being than they otherwise would be were they to
 step out of their so-called enlightenment and become a normal waking state
 person again. Every guest on BatGap fits this description, and Rick's
 association with TM and Maharishi renders him far more subtle, fluent, savvy 
 in
 his conversation about things cosmic than anyone of his guests. They are all 
 in
 an illusion of one kind of another.

So are you admitting you lied or were/are the Batgappers actually transparent 
to you?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

Have you tried ping pong, Vaj?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 5, 2011, at 3:59 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
 
  The issue is very simple: you lied about that episode. You lied consciously 
  and cunningly.. There is not a single thing you said (in that original post 
  of yours that Judy posted here last night) that bears any correspondence to 
  the truth. VAJ: WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? You are making a spectacle of 
  yourself. Fly here through your BuddhismI am at Starbucks at Bloor and 
  Bedfordand we can talk. But if you can't levitate yourself all the way to 
  Toronto, then you also can't keep insisting there is a particle truth in 
  what you say about me.
 
 I wouldn't get so worked up about it R. What I said was true to those who 
 were present and knew what was going down. If I had a magic wand that could 
 have changed the past, I'd leave it just the way it was. Verification, 
 discrimination and recognition can be very context dependent. In the 
 aforementioned case you're lamenting so much about, over the spilled milk of 
 decades gone by, that context has come and gone. It need not be repeated. 
 We've all moved on.
 
 You should too.
 
  There is a difference, there really is, Vaj, between what we imagine in our 
  minds to be true (if only it was) and what goes down in reality. You have 
  thought to make of your desires the equivalent of having been realized in 
  actual space-time-causation; whereas those desires and fantasies remain 
  only true in your imagination. You know this. You habitually succumb to 
  this Walter Mittyism-Pinocchioism. I suppose, having read these most recent 
  posts of yourself, you have no control over this. This is a pity.
  
  Now if you ever said anything to me by way of showing me I was not seeing 
  reality as clearly as you wereand you acted upon this decisivelythen you 
  should possess the legacy of this event such as to confront me here, now in 
  all that I say.
 
 It's all old news for me I'm afraid. That time has long passed. I'm sorry 
 it's still lamentable for you, but I've moved on.
 
  
  I don't sense your methodology of revealing the truth of me working for 
  you. Your technique is powerless, and it is ridiculous. It has never 
  influenced anything or anyone inside the universe and you know it.
 
 Spontaneous koans are, as I've already said, quite contextual. It's clear you 
 need to hear what it was I did that night, and there's nothing I'm going to 
 say - indeed in order to do I'd have to reformulate my mindset of 1985 (or 
 whenever it was) and hope I was conveying something still worth hearing - to 
 ears capable of hearing.
 
 In your case i already know they'd fall on death ears. It would seem that 
 asuriac gurus beget similar asuriac qualities, even if they're not direct 
 carbon copies. You have a very big ego. Still.
 
  I'll be sitting right by the front entranceand I will be remaining here 
  for only the next five minutes. So be quick. Hot chocolate's on me.
  
  And then we can discuss your Buddhism in earnest.
 
 Certain things are better lived than talked about.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

Carrot juice right after killing the mouse.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 5, 2011, at 2:16 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
 
  RESPONSE: No one is transparent to anyone, Vaj.
 
 BTW, when you point the finger of demonic confrontation at someone else, 
 methinks it might be a good idea to look at the three pointing back at you:
 
 On Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:18 pm maskedzebra 'pined:
 
  anyone who
  claims to be enlightened, first of all is not enlightened in the sense that 
  the
  universe or reality is getting behind that enlightenmentas it did in the 
  case
  of Maharishi, as it did, in the case of myself; and secondly they are making
  themselves weaker as a human being than they otherwise would be were they to
  step out of their so-called enlightenment and become a normal waking state
  person again. Every guest on BatGap fits this description, and Rick's
  association with TM and Maharishi renders him far more subtle, fluent, 
  savvy in
  his conversation about things cosmic than anyone of his guests. They are 
  all in
  an illusion of one kind of another.
 
 So are you admitting you lied or were/are the Batgappers actually transparent 
 to you?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson



Robin,

I'm not sure Vaj gets your humor, remember he's a proud member of the irony 
challenged tribe. The visual I get when imagining Vaj is Jiminy Glick; do you 
get mistaken for Tim Robbins a lot?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTEUITd36LQfeature=related



From: maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 2:44:00 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by 
Walter Isaacson



Carrot juice right after killing the mouse.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 5, 2011, at 2:16 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
 
  RESPONSE: No one is transparent to anyone, Vaj.
 
 BTW, when you point the finger of demonic confrontation at someone else, 
 methinks it might be a good idea to look at the three pointing back at you:
 
 On Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:18 pm maskedzebra 'pined:
 
  anyone who
  claims to be enlightened, first of all is not enlightened in the sense that 
  the
  universe or reality is getting behind that enlightenment—as it did in the 
  case
  of Maharishi, as it did, in the case of myself; and secondly they are making
  themselves weaker as a human being than they otherwise would be were they to
  step out of their so-called enlightenment and become a normal waking state
  person again. Every guest on BatGap fits this description, and Rick's
  association with TM and Maharishi renders him far more subtle, fluent, 
  savvy in
  his conversation about things cosmic than anyone of his guests. They are 
  all in
  an illusion of one kind of another.
 
 So are you admitting you lied or were/are the Batgappers actually transparent 
 to you?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

From: Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 9:26:48 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by 
Walter Isaacson

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 12:23 PM, tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:

 Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in sixty 
 year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of.

Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to seeing Haj 
within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is outside of you? Is that 
experience lovebliss?

Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that he is 
reduced to playing children's games in the company of adults.

Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children and that 
state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally fresh and vibrant, 
being the gateway to the natural state -- the threshold of heaven available 
here and everywhere. Pray adults learn from children.

Speaking of Haj, I urge everyone to read Leon Uris' The Haj.   It's the other 
side's Exodus.  I read it on every trip to the Middle East, before it gets 
confiscated by Customs in the country I'm going to visit.  Really fine book.   
Explains a lot about the current situation and the way Middle Eastern Muslims 
think. 

***Have you attended any public beheadings in Riyadh, do you remember what arm 
they hold the Koran under? I would have thought reading Uris on anything 
Islamic would be a bit like attending a lecture on tolerance by a Wahabi Imam.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rum Diary

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 2:19 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Duke

Uncle Duke was a caricature of Hunter Thompson in his Fear and Loathing
days.   One of my favorite strips was when Uncle Duke was ambassador to
(Red) China.  Duke gave an hours long speech to Chinese politicos
castigating the Chinese regime and Chinese Communism.   The audience
clapped, stomped and smiled.   When he was done he turned to Honey, his
interpreter, and said something like I'm amazed they ate this up
considering what I just talked about.   Honey informed him that actually
he had given a speech praising the year's output of ball bearing production
in China.

This one's not to bad, either:
http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/archive/1995/06/24

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

Yes, I agree that taking full responsibility for my thoughts and actions is for
me and me alone. Beyond that, we are all One - I agree with this completely,
that the stuff that makes up a tartbrain or a whynotnow7 or a Haj is
fundamentally the same - far more the same than different.

However there is also the paradox of investigating whatever differences we may
find in this Oneness, while never losing sight or contact with the Oneness.
That is what I enjoy, and the only way I can see to fulfill my obligation to
myself as a human being. Sure, We Are All One, and I enjoy investigating the
fractions too.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:

Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in
sixty year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of.

Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to seeing
Haj within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is outside of
you? Is that experience lovebliss?

Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that he
is reduced to playing children's games in the company of adults.

Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children and
that state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally fresh and
vibrant, being the gateway to the natural state -- the threshold of
heaven available here and everywhere. Pray adults learn from children.

Heh - A critical difference

Differences have their place.

between being child-like, and childish. I find Vaj as an adult to be a
childish dolt.

Seeing momentary distinctions (whether the projections are chidish dolts or
Shiva) within oneself, seeing everything as love bliss, is natural and
wonderful.

I would never equate my child's innocence and wonder as she grows in the
world with this moron's ignorant blather and deception. Your mangling of an
obvious point seems reactive and meaningless to me.

As for
everything-being-my-perception-and-the-perception-couldn't-occur-if-the-object-of-perception-were-not-in-fact-within-me,

Perceptions is a fun way of expressing it. That you find nothing is outside
of you is the key.

that and five bucks will get you a cuppa coffee, and sometimes you just
gotta call a dolt a dolt.:-)

Yes, the lovebliss of dolt IS the lovebliss of dolt. A = A.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne7fPpxAnuM

How many Scottish ales does it take to..
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:

 Yes, I agree that taking full responsibility for my thoughts and actions is 
 for me and me alone. Beyond that, we are all One - I agree with this 
 completely, that the stuff that makes up a tartbrain or a whynotnow7 or a Haj 
 is fundamentally the same - far more the same than different. 
 
 However there is also the paradox of investigating whatever differences we 
 may find in this Oneness, while never losing sight or contact with the 
 Oneness. That is what I enjoy, and the only way I can see to fulfill my 
 obligation to myself as a human being. Sure, We Are All One, and I enjoy 
 investigating the fractions too.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:

 Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in 
 sixty year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of.

Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to seeing 
Haj within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is outside of 
you? Is that experience lovebliss?

Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that 
he is reduced to playing children's games in the company of adults.

Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children and 
that state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally fresh 
and vibrant, being the gateway to the natural state -- the threshold of 
heaven available here and everywhere. Pray adults learn from children.
   
   
   Heh - A critical difference 
  
  Differences have their place.
  
  
   between being child-like, and childish. I find Vaj as an adult to be a 
   childish dolt. 
  
  Seeing momentary distinctions (whether the projections are chidish dolts or 
  Shiva) within oneself, seeing everything as love bliss, is natural and 
  wonderful. 
  
   I would never equate my child's innocence and wonder as she grows in the 
   world with this moron's ignorant blather and deception. Your mangling of 
   an obvious point seems reactive and meaningless to me.
   
   As for 
   everything-being-my-perception-and-the-perception-couldn't-occur-if-the-object-of-perception-were-not-in-fact-within-me,
  
  Perceptions is a fun way of expressing it. That you find nothing is 
  outside of you is the key. 
  
   that and five bucks will get you a cuppa coffee, and sometimes you just 
   gotta call a dolt a dolt.:-)
  
  
  Yes, the lovebliss of dolt IS the lovebliss of dolt. A = A.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

He masturbates a lot mentally, if that helps.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:

 Have you tried ping pong, Vaj?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  
  On Nov 5, 2011, at 3:59 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
  
   The issue is very simple: you lied about that episode. You lied 
   consciously and cunningly.. There is not a single thing you said (in that 
   original post of yours that Judy posted here last night) that bears any 
   correspondence to the truth. VAJ: WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? You are making 
   a spectacle of yourself. Fly here through your BuddhismI am at Starbucks 
   at Bloor and Bedfordand we can talk. But if you can't levitate yourself 
   all the way to Toronto, then you also can't keep insisting there is a 
   particle truth in what you say about me.
  
  I wouldn't get so worked up about it R. What I said was true to those who 
  were present and knew what was going down. If I had a magic wand that could 
  have changed the past, I'd leave it just the way it was. Verification, 
  discrimination and recognition can be very context dependent. In the 
  aforementioned case you're lamenting so much about, over the spilled milk 
  of decades gone by, that context has come and gone. It need not be 
  repeated. We've all moved on.
  
  You should too.
  
   There is a difference, there really is, Vaj, between what we imagine in 
   our minds to be true (if only it was) and what goes down in reality. You 
   have thought to make of your desires the equivalent of having been 
   realized in actual space-time-causation; whereas those desires and 
   fantasies remain only true in your imagination. You know this. You 
   habitually succumb to this Walter Mittyism-Pinocchioism. I suppose, 
   having read these most recent posts of yourself, you have no control over 
   this. This is a pity.
   
   Now if you ever said anything to me by way of showing me I was not seeing 
   reality as clearly as you wereand you acted upon this decisivelythen 
   you should possess the legacy of this event such as to confront me here, 
   now in all that I say.
  
  It's all old news for me I'm afraid. That time has long passed. I'm sorry 
  it's still lamentable for you, but I've moved on.
  
   
   I don't sense your methodology of revealing the truth of me working for 
   you. Your technique is powerless, and it is ridiculous. It has never 
   influenced anything or anyone inside the universe and you know it.
  
  Spontaneous koans are, as I've already said, quite contextual. It's clear 
  you need to hear what it was I did that night, and there's nothing I'm 
  going to say - indeed in order to do I'd have to reformulate my mindset of 
  1985 (or whenever it was) and hope I was conveying something still worth 
  hearing - to ears capable of hearing.
  
  In your case i already know they'd fall on death ears. It would seem that 
  asuriac gurus beget similar asuriac qualities, even if they're not direct 
  carbon copies. You have a very big ego. Still.
  
   I'll be sitting right by the front entranceand I will be remaining here 
   for only the next five minutes. So be quick. Hot chocolate's on me.
   
   And then we can discuss your Buddhism in earnest.
  
  Certain things are better lived than talked about.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

Even better!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIabgPX14R4

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne7fPpxAnuM
 
 How many Scottish ales does it take to..
  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
 
  Yes, I agree that taking full responsibility for my thoughts and actions is 
  for me and me alone. Beyond that, we are all One - I agree with this 
  completely, that the stuff that makes up a tartbrain or a whynotnow7 or a 
  Haj is fundamentally the same - far more the same than different. 
  
  However there is also the paradox of investigating whatever differences we 
  may find in this Oneness, while never losing sight or contact with the 
  Oneness. That is what I enjoy, and the only way I can see to fulfill my 
  obligation to myself as a human being. Sure, We Are All One, and I enjoy 
  investigating the fractions too.
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ 
 wrote:
 
  Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds 
  in sixty year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds 
  me of.
 
 Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to 
 seeing Haj within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is 
 outside of you? Is that experience lovebliss?
 
 Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so 
 that he is reduced to playing children's games in the company of 
 adults.
 
 Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children 
 and that state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally 
 fresh and vibrant, being the gateway to the natural state -- the 
 threshold of heaven available here and everywhere. Pray adults learn 
 from children.


Heh - A critical difference 
   
   Differences have their place.
   
   
between being child-like, and childish. I find Vaj as an adult to be a 
childish dolt. 
   
   Seeing momentary distinctions (whether the projections are chidish dolts 
   or Shiva) within oneself, seeing everything as love bliss, is natural and 
   wonderful. 
   
I would never equate my child's innocence and wonder as she grows in 
the world with this moron's ignorant blather and deception. Your 
mangling of an obvious point seems reactive and meaningless to me.

As for 
everything-being-my-perception-and-the-perception-couldn't-occur-if-the-object-of-perception-were-not-in-fact-within-me,
   
   Perceptions is a fun way of expressing it. That you find nothing is 
   outside of you is the key. 
   
that and five bucks will get you a cuppa coffee, and sometimes you just 
gotta call a dolt a dolt.:-)
   
   
   Yes, the lovebliss of dolt IS the lovebliss of dolt. A = A.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues

From: 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 6:24:42 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Well I have sparred with Curtis before on this same issue.

 I think he, Xeno and tartbrain should raise some children. That will teach 
 them that taking a moral, ethical stand against something doesn't equate to 
 not loving.

 If you really love someone you will also have hesitation getting angry at 
 them.

 These guys  don't realize how intellectual, cold, heartless they sound.

 I mean Curtis can't say anything to Barry? That means his is a very 
 superficial relationship, no love, no feelings.

Ravi,

How can you be sure I am not a practitioner of the Casey Anthony school of 
child rearing? I cannot speak for Curtis and tartbrain regarding your comments. 
And I have only been following this thread from time to time rather shallowly, 
since the aftermath of a winter storm has greatly reduced my access to the 
Internet. 

I have gotten angry at people I like and love, and sometimes it has been simply 
to get them to modify their behaviour which was causing problems for others; I 
did not actually feel involved in the anger. But as I said in a previous 
exchange, I do not see the world as having moral imperatives, but there are 
certain kinds of behavioural responses that seem to be hard wired into us. 
Ethics is an interesting subject to me, morality less so because as Bertrand 
Russell once said, it seems 'to be a function of geography', that is, it is 
related more to culture than innate values of human worth.

It is nice to know that I, and Curtis and tartbrain are cold and heartless. We 
must have worked very hard at this. It may just be we are not wrapped up in an 
obviously emotional palette as you. People have different kinds of emotional 
palettes, different buttons that can be pushed. To me you seem to be a kind of 
hot head, which implies that trivial things can set you off. 

Barry for example has said some very unkind things about Judy on various 
occasions, but in some ways I can see how she has brought responses like this 
upon herself from time to time. She approaches her interests with quite a 
passion, though I sometimes think that too much passion can warp one's 
judgment. It should be noted that people without emotion have problems making 
decisions. 

***BP: I enjoy some of your posts; I read them for the studied coolness that 
seems to belie a one sided view point about Judy and King Baby. Is there a 
reason you attempt to provoke her rather than KB? Personally, I don't think 
he's that scary. I'm sure this is not the case; one might be forgiven for 
thinking your voice comes across as sexist. This is a not uncommon in male 
boomer's, interacting with a female of Judy's competence---less true with 
millennial males. 

Emotion is a requirement for coming to certain kinds of conclusions. lack of 
emotion is actually rather rare, it has been studied in persons with certain 
types of brain damage where emotional centers of the brain were impaired, and 
these people had a hell of a time making decisions.

As for Curtis,, I do not think we have ever had an exchange. I do not find him 
heartless at all, but my appreciation of him is from afar. Some people Ravi, 
have more subtle emotions than you; after all you characterise yourself as 
being somewhat over the top. I tend to prefer to let people stew in their own 
battles. I like and dislike certain things about Barry, about Judy, but I like 
to appreciate their good sides. They both do have good sides. Between those 
two, those good sides seldom face each other. Furthermore, attempting to 
ameliorate this battle between them from an external POV doesn't seem like it 
would ever work. It would have to come from them, between them. I am not sure 
what Curtis' relationship with Barry is, but that is his department, I have no 
moral imperative that he should do something. If I want something done of that 
nature, I should do it myself instead of enlisting cronies to do it for me. And 
Judy is quite capable of defending
her POV.

***BP: I'm not sure how you know: Some people Ravi, have more subtle emotions 
than you; after all you characterise yourself as being somewhat over the top. 
Its always been my understanding that Ravi is a kind of yogic showman; half, 
P.T. Barnum, the other half Ramakrishna---mad as a hatter, but wily enough to 
pass the hat at the end of his performances.  

If this forum is about enlightenment, then it is only superficially about 
personalities here. Seeing beyond good and bad, beyond opposites, which means 
seeing beyond the boundaries of morality is a requirement for enlightenment. 
This does not mean a person will act unethically, but it also does not 
guarantee a person will act that way either. It depends on how deeply they 
experience themselves as being the world

[FairfieldLife] Re: DOC-DEBUT: David Wants to Fly | Link TV

Some snipets:

http://jagadgurushankaracharya.org/ Swami Shree Swaroopananda Saraswati
ji was born Pothiram Upadhyay in 1924, in Dist. Seoni and village
Dighori area of Madhya Pradesh. At nine years old he left home to visit
the holy places of India, including Varanasi where he eventually studied
with Swami Karpatri (aka Hariharananda Saraswati), a disciple of Guru
Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. At 19 years old he became a freedom
fighter in the 'Quit India' movement (1942) and was known as
'Revolutionary Sadhu' (serving two prison sentences for same of 9 months
 6 months). In 1950 Guru Dev made him a dandi sannyasi.
After Guru Dev's passing in 1953, Swarupanandji took up with a new guru,
Swami Krishnabhodashram ji Maharaj. Krishnabhodashramji was established
as Guru Dev's successor by Swami Karpatri

Swami Swarupanandji became president of the 'Ramrajya Parishad Party'
(set up by Swami Karpatri), and on Krishnabhodashram's demise the post
of Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math passed to Swami Swarupanandji. There
were now two Shankaracharya ashrams in Joshimath, Swami Swaroopanand's
being on the site of Trotakacharya's cave, just below the ashram that
Guru Dev Swami Brahmanand had built in the 1940's.
In 1982 Swami Swaroopanand inherited the title of Shankaracharya of
Dwarka.
--
wami Karpatri (SwÄmi KarpÄtrÄ«; 19051980; born as Har
Narayan Ojha in a village called Ojhawali in Barhalganj town area of
Gorakhpur district in eastern Uttar Pradesh, India[1][2]) was a monk in
the Hindu dashanami monastic tradition. His ordained name as a monk was
Hariharananda Saraswati, but he was popularly known by the name Karpatri
(he who uses his hand as a food vessel) Swami. He was married and the
father of a baby daughter when he left home at age 17 to seek ordination
as a sannyasi (monk). After his years of learning, including three years
in icy caves in the Himalaya, he was ordained as a monk. He was the
pupil of the very famous Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath Swami Brahmananda
Swaraswati. He was also the founder of Dharma Sangha in Varanasi. He
spent most of his life at Varanasi. He was a teacher in the Advaita
Vedanta tradition of Hindu philosophy. In 1948, he founded the Ram Rajya
Parishad, a traditionalist Hindu party. He also guided Alain
Daniélou, a noted French indologist into converting into Hinduism
under the name, Shiv Sharan. Swami Karpatriji was the most popular
teacher of Advaita Vedanta in Varanasi in his lifetime. He was also the
great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in
Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his
pupils. There are some tales that he was a siddha purush. His certain
pupils include Swami Nischalananda Swaraswati the present shankaracharya
of Puri as well as Swami Chinmayananda Swaraswati the present
Shankaracharya of Varanasi.[3]



  ---  Ganga Seva Abhiyan is a nationwide movement initiated
by Shri Shankaracharya Ganga Seva Nyas headed by H'nble Shankaracharya
Shri Swaroopnand Saraswatiji Maharaj to ensure clean, pollution-free and
embark this heritage river as National River of India. Under this
movement saints, social workers, environmentalist, scientist and common
people all across the country have joined hands and are organizing
protest, public meetings, events, hunger strike etc. to show their
commitment and solidarity towards this divine and holy river which holds
an important place in Hindu mythology.
Ganga Seva Abhiyan is complete peaceful and non-violence movement which
has become a nationwide campaign under the ample guidance of Swami
Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati ji ( disciple and representative of Sri
Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand Saraswatiji Maharaj) which aims to
protest against construction of dams and other form of obstacle formed
over this holy river which hampers the flow and continuity of the river.
The movement also aims to prevent the drainage of industrial waste and
human pollutants flowing into the river along its long flow line
--

Akhil Bharatiya Ram Rajya Parishad (Hindi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi_language : à¤à¤à¤¿à¤²
à¤à¤¾à¤°à¤¤à¥à¤¯ à¤°à¤¾à¤® à¤°à¤¾à¤à¥à¤¯
à¤ªà¤°à¤¿à¤·à¤¦, 'All India Council of Rama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama 's Kingdom'), was a traditionalist
Hindu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu  party in India
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India . It was founded by Swami Karpatri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri  (19051980) in 1948.
The Ram Rajya Parishad won three Lok Sabha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lok_Sabha  seats in the 1952 elections
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_general_election,_1952  and two in
the 1962 elections
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_general_election,_1962 .[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_Rajya_Parishad#cite_note-0  In 1952,
1957 and 1962, it won several dozen Vidhan Sabha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidhan_Sabha  seats, all in the Hindi
belt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi_belt , mostly in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

;-)

From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 3:42:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by 
Walter Isaacson

Even better!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIabgPX14R4

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne7fPpxAnuM

 How many Scottish ales does it take to..

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:

  Yes, I agree that taking full responsibility for my thoughts and actions is 
  for me and me alone. Beyond that, we are all One - I agree with this 
  completely, that the stuff that makes up a tartbrain or a whynotnow7 or a 
  Haj is fundamentally the same - far more the same than different. 

  However there is also the paradox of investigating whatever differences we 
  may find in this Oneness, while never losing sight or contact with the 
  Oneness. That is what I enjoy, and the only way I can see to fulfill my 
  obligation to myself as a human being. Sure, We Are All One, and I enjoy 
  investigating the fractions too.

   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:

   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ 
 wrote:

  Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds 
  in sixty year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds 
  me of.

 Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to 
 seeing Haj within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is 
 outside of you? Is that experience lovebliss?

 Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so 
 that he is reduced to playing children's games in the company of 
 adults.

 Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children 
 and that state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally 
 fresh and vibrant, being the gateway to the natural state -- the 
 threshold of heaven available here and everywhere. Pray adults learn 
 from children.

Heh - A critical difference 

   Differences have their place.

between being child-like, and childish. I find Vaj as an adult to be a 
childish dolt. 

   Seeing momentary distinctions (whether the projections are chidish dolts 
   or Shiva) within oneself, seeing everything as love bliss, is natural and 
   wonderful. 

I would never equate my child's innocence and wonder as she grows in 
the world with this moron's ignorant blather and deception. Your 
mangling of an obvious point seems reactive and meaningless to me.

As for 
everything-being-my-perception-and-the-perception-couldn't-occur-if-the-object-of-perception-were-not-in-fact-within-me,

   Perceptions is a fun way of expressing it. That you find nothing is 
   outside of you is the key. 

that and five bucks will get you a cuppa coffee, and sometimes you just 
gotta call a dolt a dolt.:-)

   Yes, the lovebliss of dolt IS the lovebliss of dolt. A = A.

[FairfieldLife] Occupy Seattle photos

I was walking around yesterday working on a project and came across Occupy 
Seattle.  Note the 20 minute meditation schedule at the end.  This seems to be 
the magic meditation number :)

[FairfieldLife] Re: DOC-DEBUT: David Wants to Fly | Link TV

All I can say is these guys eat really well..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote:

 Some snipets:
 
 http://jagadgurushankaracharya.org/ Swami Shree Swaroopananda Saraswati
 ji was born Pothiram Upadhyay in 1924, in Dist. Seoni and village
 Dighori area of Madhya Pradesh. At nine years old he left home to visit
 the holy places of India, including Varanasi where he eventually studied
 with Swami Karpatri (aka Hariharananda Saraswati), a disciple of Guru
 Dev Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. At 19 years old he became a freedom
 fighter in the 'Quit India' movement (1942) and was known as
 'Revolutionary Sadhu' (serving two prison sentences for same of 9 months
  6 months). In 1950 Guru Dev made him a dandi sannyasi.
 After Guru Dev's passing in 1953, Swarupanandji took up with a new guru,
 Swami Krishnabhodashram ji Maharaj. Krishnabhodashramji was established
 as Guru Dev's successor by Swami Karpatri
 
 Swami Swarupanandji became president of the 'Ramrajya Parishad Party'
 (set up by Swami Karpatri), and on Krishnabhodashram's demise the post
 of Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math passed to Swami Swarupanandji. There
 were now two Shankaracharya ashrams in Joshimath, Swami Swaroopanand's
 being on the site of Trotakacharya's cave, just below the ashram that
 Guru Dev Swami Brahmanand had built in the 1940's.
 In 1982 Swami Swaroopanand inherited the title of Shankaracharya of
 Dwarka.
 --
 wami Karpatri (SwÄmi KarpÄtrÄ«; 19051980; born as Har
 Narayan Ojha in a village called Ojhawali in Barhalganj town area of
 Gorakhpur district in eastern Uttar Pradesh, India[1][2]) was a monk in
 the Hindu dashanami monastic tradition. His ordained name as a monk was
 Hariharananda Saraswati, but he was popularly known by the name Karpatri
 (he who uses his hand as a food vessel) Swami. He was married and the
 father of a baby daughter when he left home at age 17 to seek ordination
 as a sannyasi (monk). After his years of learning, including three years
 in icy caves in the Himalaya, he was ordained as a monk. He was the
 pupil of the very famous Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath Swami Brahmananda
 Swaraswati. He was also the founder of Dharma Sangha in Varanasi. He
 spent most of his life at Varanasi. He was a teacher in the Advaita
 Vedanta tradition of Hindu philosophy. In 1948, he founded the Ram Rajya
 Parishad, a traditionalist Hindu party. He also guided Alain
 Daniélou, a noted French indologist into converting into Hinduism
 under the name, Shiv Sharan. Swami Karpatriji was the most popular
 teacher of Advaita Vedanta in Varanasi in his lifetime. He was also the
 great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in
 Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his
 pupils. There are some tales that he was a siddha purush. His certain
 pupils include Swami Nischalananda Swaraswati the present shankaracharya
 of Puri as well as Swami Chinmayananda Swaraswati the present
 Shankaracharya of Varanasi.[3]
 
 
 
   ---  Ganga Seva Abhiyan is a nationwide movement initiated
 by Shri Shankaracharya Ganga Seva Nyas headed by H'nble Shankaracharya
 Shri Swaroopnand Saraswatiji Maharaj to ensure clean, pollution-free and
 embark this heritage river as National River of India. Under this
 movement saints, social workers, environmentalist, scientist and common
 people all across the country have joined hands and are organizing
 protest, public meetings, events, hunger strike etc. to show their
 commitment and solidarity towards this divine and holy river which holds
 an important place in Hindu mythology.
 Ganga Seva Abhiyan is complete peaceful and non-violence movement which
 has become a nationwide campaign under the ample guidance of Swami
 Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati ji ( disciple and representative of Sri
 Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand Saraswatiji Maharaj) which aims to
 protest against construction of dams and other form of obstacle formed
 over this holy river which hampers the flow and continuity of the river.
 The movement also aims to prevent the drainage of industrial waste and
 human pollutants flowing into the river along its long flow line
 --
 
 Akhil Bharatiya Ram Rajya Parishad (Hindi
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi_language : à¤à¤à¤¿à¤²
 à¤à¤¾à¤°à¤¤à¥à¤¯ à¤°à¤¾à¤® à¤°à¤¾à¤à¥à¤¯
 à¤ªà¤°à¤¿à¤·à¤¦, 'All India Council of Rama
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama 's Kingdom'), was a traditionalist
 Hindu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu  party in India
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India . It was founded by Swami Karpatri
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri  (19051980) in 1948.
 The Ram Rajya Parishad won three Lok Sabha
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lok_Sabha  seats in the 1952 elections
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_general_election,_1952  and two in
 the 1962 elections
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_general_election,_1962 .[1]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Occupy Seattle photos

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 I was walking around yesterday working on a project and came
 across Occupy Seattle.  Note the 20 minute meditation schedule
 at the end.  This seems to be the magic meditation number :)

Terrific photos. Looks a lot more comfortable than
Zucotti Park.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
snip
 Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the
 strange idea that he could force a rare form of
 pancreatic CA into remission through diet.

Actually, no, that isn't at all clear. Just for
one thing, if the cancer had already spread to
his liver when it was discovered in his pancreas
(metastases to the liver might well not have been
detectable at that point), surgery to his pancreas
wouldn't have helped, so the delay may not have
done any harm.

And apparently he spent months after his diagnosis
consulting with many physicians. Delaying the
surgery was a thoughtful, considered decision, not
a hasty, panicky one, and certainly not a blind one.

Several physicians (including one on his team) 
think that under the circumstances, delaying the
surgery wasn't an utterly unreasonable choice,
even though they would have recommended that he
have the surgery sooner.

It wasn't as cut-and-dried a situation as those
who are scornful of any nonstandard treatment (but
who, like Vaj, have no medical expertise) would
like to believe. There were many different factors
involved, the facts of most of which are known only
to his physicians and family.

The NY Times had an article going into all this the
other day:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/01/health/hindsight-is-kind-to-steve-jobss-decision-to-delay-surgery.html

http://tinyurl.com/5u8vyc8

 The only good news in this case is now I may eventually
 get Flash on my iPadbut otherwise what a waste of a
 life, all based on holding strange untenable beliefs.

Or the luck of the draw. We have no way of knowing,
and it's ignorant and arrogant to pretend otherwise.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues

Sorry about that Xeno; I was attempting some snips (still in training), changed 
my mind, and didn't put your handle back where I found it. This is a fix, 
nothing new under the sun.

From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 6:24:42 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 Well I have sparred with Curtis before on this same issue.

 I think he, Xeno and tartbrain should raise some children. That will teach 
 them that taking a moral, ethical stand against something doesn't equate to 
 not loving.

 If you really love someone you will also have hesitation getting angry at 
 them.

 These guys  don't realize how intellectual, cold, heartless they sound.

 I mean Curtis can't say anything to Barry? That means his is a very 
 superficial relationship, no love, no feelings.

Ravi,

How can you be sure I am not a practitioner of the Casey Anthony school of 
child rearing? I cannot speak for Curtis and tartbrain regarding your comments. 
And I have only been following this thread from time to time rather shallowly, 
since the aftermath of a winter storm has greatly reduced my access to the 
Internet. 

I have gotten angry at people I like and love, and sometimes it has been simply 
to get them to modify their behaviour which was causing problems for others; I 
did not actually feel involved in the anger. But as I said in a previous 
exchange, I do not see the world as having moral imperatives, but there are 
certain kinds of behavioural responses that seem to be hard wired into us. 
Ethics is an interesting subject to me, morality less so because as Bertrand 
Russell once said, it seems 'to be a function of geography', that is, it is 
related more to culture than innate values of human worth.

It is nice to know that I, and Curtis and tartbrain are cold and heartless. We 
must have worked very hard at this. It may just be we are not wrapped up in an 
obviously emotional palette as you. People have different kinds of emotional 
palettes, different buttons that can be pushed. To me you seem to be a kind of 
hot head, which implies that trivial things can set you off. 

Barry for example has said some very unkind things about Judy on various 
occasions, but in some ways I can see how she has brought responses like this 
upon herself from time to time. She approaches her interests with quite a 
passion, though I sometimes think that too much passion can warp one's 
judgment. It should be noted that people without emotion have problems making 
decisions. 

***BP: I enjoy some of your posts; I read them for the studied coolness that 
seems to belie a one sided view point about Judy and King Baby. Is there a 
reason you attempt to provoke her rather than KB? Personally, I don't think 
he's that scary. I'm sure this is not the case; one might be forgiven for 
thinking your voice comes across as sexist. This is a not uncommon in male 
boomer's, interacting with a female of Judy's competence---less true with 
millennial males. 

Emotion is a requirement for coming to certain kinds of conclusions. lack of 
emotion is actually rather rare, it has been studied in persons with certain 
types of brain damage where emotional centers of the brain were impaired, and 
these people had a hell of a time making decisions.

As for Curtis,, I do not think we have ever had an exchange. I do not find him 
heartless at all, but my appreciation of him is from afar. Some people Ravi, 
have more subtle emotions than you; after all you characterise yourself as 
being somewhat over the top. I tend to prefer to let people stew in their own 
battles. I like and dislike certain things about Barry, about Judy, but I like 
to appreciate their good sides. They both do have good sides. Between those 
two, those good sides seldom face each other. Furthermore, attempting to 
ameliorate this battle between them from an external POV doesn't seem like it 
would ever work. It would have to come from them, between them. I am not sure 
what Curtis' relationship with Barry is, but that is his department, I have no 
moral imperative that he should do something. If I want something done of that 
nature, I should do it myself instead of enlisting cronies to do it for me. And 
Judy is quite capable of defending
her POV.

***BP: I'm not sure how you know: Some people Ravi, have more subtle emotions 
than you; after all you characterise yourself as being somewhat over the top. 
Its always been my understanding that Ravi is a kind of yogic showman; half, 
P.T. Barnum, the other half Ramakrishna---mad as a hatter, but wily enough to 
pass the hat at the end of his performances.  

If this forum is about enlightenment, then it is only superficially about 
personalities here. Seeing beyond good and bad, beyond opposites, which means 
seeing beyond the boundaries of morality is a

[FairfieldLife] Occupy Fairfield

2011-11-05 Thread Bill Coop

News from other Occupy Wall Street protests around Iowa
.DesMoinesRegister.com
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2011/10/29/news-from-other-occupy-wall-street-protests-around-iowa/


Fairfield: In lieu of continuous occupation, a local group of protesters
organized an informational gathering in Howard Park and also screened the
documentary “The Corporation” at a local coffeehouse. Video from the park
event:

http://vimeo.com/30531665

#Occupy Fairfield: Awareness and Education from Wayside Shine Productions
on Vimeo.

One of the Fairfield supporters, Rianna Koppel, also had this to say:

I don’t want to speak on behalf of the entire Occupy Fairfield Group, but I
can speak personally on why I don’t think we are occupying a public space
consistently.

Fairfield is home to a community that is based in Transcendental
Meditation. At our university, Maharishi University of Mangement, many
students, staff, and faculty are already working on many projects that
relate directly to sustainability, consciousness, local economy, local
cooperatives — financial and otherwise, farmer’s markets and CSAs, and
many, many more.

What I think the purpose of our local Occupy movement is has to do more
with education, awareness, and continued promotion of local projects and
activities that are already taking place to support each other in our
community. I think that this is the perspective that everyone is taking
here in Fairfield, and so through the Occupy movement, we have strengthened
and rallied our community. We do not need to occupy a public space
consistently in order to do what we see as the next step from this movement.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:

 Yes, I agree that taking full responsibility for my thoughts and actions is 
 for me and me alone. Beyond that, we are all One - I agree with this 
 completely, that the stuff that makes up a tartbrain or a whynotnow7 or a Haj 
 is fundamentally the same - far more the same than different. 
 
 However there is also the paradox of investigating whatever differences we 
 may find in this Oneness, while never losing sight or contact with the 
 Oneness. That is what I enjoy, and the only way I can see to fulfill my 
 obligation to myself as a human being. Sure, We Are All One, and I enjoy 
 investigating the fractions too.
 

Do you find things to be more of an understanding? Taking responsibility, 
agreeing, fulfilling obligations, investigating/analyzing have the flavor of 
understandings. 

The intensity of lovebliss of being, not this being or that being, I find 
precludes casting harsh distinctions. At times your statements do not compute. 
But there are any number of things that I don't understand -- and are not 
things I seek or need to resolve. Simply more that some things are left to 
evaporate into wonder.  

That is why I asked, paraphrasing, does that blossom to seeing Haj as yourself, 
fundamentally, deeply, unshakably? That neither Haj nor anything else is 
outside of you, lovebliss permeating?


  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:

 Jed McKenna, who's books I respect, makes mention of ten year olds in 
 sixty year old bodies. That is what Haj, as I call him, reminds me of.

Seeing pilgrimage to Mecca in all is good. Does that blossom to seeing 
Haj within yourself? That neither Haj nor anything else is outside of 
you? Is that experience lovebliss?

Spectacularly underdeveloped emotionally and psychologically, so that 
he is reduced to playing children's games in the company of adults.

Yes, that parable is wonderful isn't it. The innocence of children and 
that state of wonder, amazement, awe, no categories, eternally fresh 
and vibrant, being the gateway to the natural state -- the threshold of 
heaven available here and everywhere. Pray adults learn from children.
   
   
   Heh - A critical difference 
  
  Differences have their place.
  
  
   between being child-like, and childish. I find Vaj as an adult to be a 
   childish dolt. 
  
  Seeing momentary distinctions (whether the projections are chidish dolts or 
  Shiva) within oneself, seeing everything as love bliss, is natural and 
  wonderful. 
  
   I would never equate my child's innocence and wonder as she grows in the 
   world with this moron's ignorant blather and deception. Your mangling of 
   an obvious point seems reactive and meaningless to me.
   
   As for 
   everything-being-my-perception-and-the-perception-couldn't-occur-if-the-object-of-perception-were-not-in-fact-within-me,
  
  Perceptions is a fun way of expressing it. That you find nothing is 
  outside of you is the key. 
  
   that and five bucks will get you a cuppa coffee, and sometimes you just 
   gotta call a dolt a dolt.:-)
  
  
  Yes, the lovebliss of dolt IS the lovebliss of dolt. A = A.

[FairfieldLife] Post Count

2011-11-05 Thread FFL PostCount

Fairfield Life Post Counter
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137 messages as of (UTC) Sat Nov 05 23:57:15 2011

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10 Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
10 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
 8 whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com
 8 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net
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 5 Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com
 4 Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Occupy Fairfield



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@... wrote:

 News from other Occupy Wall Street protests around Iowa
 .DesMoinesRegister.com
 http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2011/10/29/news-from-other-occupy-wall-street-protests-around-iowa/
 
 
 Fairfield: In lieu of continuous occupation, a local group of protesters
 organized an informational gathering in Howard Park and also screened the
 documentary The Corporation at a local coffeehouse. Video from the park
 event:
 
 http://vimeo.com/30531665
 

Nice video.  

Who the woman singing at the end? Local FF? She wonderfully revitalizes a song 
that time has calcified.



 #Occupy Fairfield: Awareness and Education from Wayside Shine Productions
 on Vimeo.
 
 One of the Fairfield supporters, Rianna Koppel, also had this to say:
 
 I don't want to speak on behalf of the entire Occupy Fairfield Group, but I
 can speak personally on why I don't think we are occupying a public space
 consistently.
 
 Fairfield is home to a community that is based in Transcendental
 Meditation. At our university, Maharishi University of Mangement, many
 students, staff, and faculty are already working on many projects that
 relate directly to sustainability, consciousness, local economy, local
 cooperatives  financial and otherwise, farmer's markets and CSAs, and
 many, many more.
 
 What I think the purpose of our local Occupy movement is has to do more
 with education, awareness, and continued promotion of local projects and
 activities that are already taking place to support each other in our
 community. I think that this is the perspective that everyone is taking
 here in Fairfield, and so through the Occupy movement, we have strengthened
 and rallied our community. We do not need to occupy a public space
 consistently in order to do what we see as the next step from this movement.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Occupy Seattle photos

They moved from the concrete park downtown (Westlake) to the landscaped front 
yard of Seattle Central Community College where they threw down some additional 
straw.  It's located on Capitol Hillthe hill of diversity in Seattle. 

From: authfriend jst...@panix.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 4:20 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Occupy Seattle photos

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 I was walking around yesterday working on a project and came
 across Occupy Seattle.  Note the 20 minute meditation schedule
 at the end.  This seems to be the magic meditation number :)

Terrific photos. Looks a lot more comfortable than
Zucotti Park.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

Judy, what was the name of that Book on Cancer you referred to as a good 
read?  

From: authfriend jst...@panix.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 4:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
snip
 Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the
 strange idea that he could force a rare form of
 pancreatic CA into remission through diet.

Actually, no, that isn't at all clear. Just for
one thing, if the cancer had already spread to
his liver when it was discovered in his pancreas
(metastases to the liver might well not have been
detectable at that point), surgery to his pancreas
wouldn't have helped, so the delay may not have
done any harm.

And apparently he spent months after his diagnosis
consulting with many physicians. Delaying the
surgery was a thoughtful, considered decision, not
a hasty, panicky one, and certainly not a blind one.

Several physicians (including one on his team) 
think that under the circumstances, delaying the
surgery wasn't an utterly unreasonable choice,
even though they would have recommended that he
have the surgery sooner.

It wasn't as cut-and-dried a situation as those
who are scornful of any nonstandard treatment (but
who, like Vaj, have no medical expertise) would
like to believe. There were many different factors
involved, the facts of most of which are known only
to his physicians and family.

The NY Times had an article going into all this the
other day:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/01/health/hindsight-is-kind-to-steve-jobss-decision-to-delay-surgery.html

http://tinyurl.com/5u8vyc8

 The only good news in this case is now I may eventually
 get Flash on my iPad…but otherwise what a waste of a
 life, all based on holding strange untenable beliefs.

Or the luck of the draw. We have no way of knowing,
and it's ignorant and arrogant to pretend otherwise.

[FairfieldLife] Absorbing Sins

Swami Swaroopanand quote

Gurudeva [SBS]used to give upadesha (initiation) without any fees. He used to 
say 

'If I accept any gift from the disciple (or fees), then his sins are 
transmitted to me.'

From that angle, MMY is perhaps one of the most generous teachers to have 
walked the planet.

On the other hand, SBS used to say, do not give me your donations, give me your 
sins. (a different slant on the above quote)

I like the latter approach and mechanism. (It is simple. And pwerful in that 
taking back a gift is not polite -- and hardly productive. That is, naturally  
sense of commitment is stronger)  

However, it has periodically  occurred to me that a teacher is limited by karma 
in what they can give. Thus the injunction to serve the wise -- serving them 
(and/or donating) creates a  weather-like karmic low pressure point and grace 
is able to flow more fully. 

Then again, simply attention on teachers (here and now, or otherwise) appears 
to bring (a type of) grace.

What do you find?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 Judy, what was the name of that Book on Cancer you referred
 to as a good read?

Sorry, don't recall referring to any such book. Could you
be thinking of someone else?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Occupy Fairfield