[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie review: Twixt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 06/14/2012 02:41 PM, turquoiseb wrote: Ahem. There are movies you really don't want to review. This is one. I wanted to like it, the trailer presenting it as being a kind of highly stylistic Francis-Ford-Coppola- does-Stephen-King psychic vampire mystery about a failed writer seeking both inspiration and absolution, with Edgar Allen Poe as his mentor, but I really couldn't. Coming on the heels of The Godfather III, Dracula, and especially Youth Without Youth, I fear that it stands instead as conclusive evidence that Francis Ford Coppola has lost not only his touch, but his marbles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP7cQnOcU7I Hey but it's got your favorite actor... Val Kilmer! :-D Val actually is the best thing in the movie. Consider that. :-) He has a hilarious scene as a writer with writer's block trying to come up the first lines of his new novel. He fails, and winds up drinking himself into a dream- filled stupor, which in my opinion is what's wrong with the movie. Rumor has it that this is what happened to Coppola -- he fell into an alcohol-influenced dream, his subconscious came up with the events of this film, and he decided when he woke up to make them into a movie. Bzzzt. Big mistake. The result is like a script written by Robin Carlsen -- completely subjective, and thus completely indecipherable. You can tell that it must have been a powerful dream *for the dreamer*, but he is unable to convey to the audience anything that made it all feel so mystical and magical and full of meaning and importance to him. Plus, Coppola uses a bunch of visual techniques that make him look like a first-year film student, not the director of the first two Godfather movies. He pretty much flushes his career down the toilet with this film, as far as I'm concerned. I suspect that the only person who will like it is David Lynch, because finally there will be a film that is less coherent than one of his. :-) Have you seen Haywire? Probably too violent for most here though the women here would probably love to see Gina Carano beat the shit out of some guys. Little taste of that here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFV0Uvzpz0o Saw it, was underwhelmed. She just doesn't have either the beauty or the charisma to make the transition from martial artist to movie star. Maggie Q had both, but Gina sadly doesn't. And Nude Nuns With Big Guns also has a female protagonist. Saw it in the background while working on another task. Felt that was all the attention I needed to give it.
[FairfieldLife] OMG: kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH!
It seems to me the purpose of YS III 31 kaNTha-kuupe kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH ...might well be to prevent or even treat insulin resistance aka type 2 diabetes, or whatevah! As almost everybody even up in Minnesota might know, constant hunger (kSut) and thirst (pipaasa) are some of its typical symptoms!?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: The only way out is through Now there's some wisdom. The thing about TM is that it promises that you don't have to got through as releasing the stress is supposed to be enough to return you to a state of perfect equillibrium. For many people, it is, but they tend to have a real life and not get stuck working for the TMO. Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up to its claims you wouldn't be able to get stuck. Sadly not the case and it goes some way towards explaining the astonishing amount of dysfunctional people I came across during my time in the TMO, all of whom were convinced they were operating at above average levels due to the fact they were in touch with the home of all the laws of nature and therefore, blah... blah Shame really, all these seekers getting stuck and not realising it. People who want perfection for the sake of perfection (e.g. seeking enlightenment and the perfection that lies therein) tend to be a bit skewed in their own thought processes. It's a variation of the you have control over action alone, never over the fruit thing. Being a bit skewed is the sort of thing one would expect TM to shift, according to the intro lecture. And it isn't what we find. TM seems to wind people tighter in a lot of cases, some sort of admission or study of this would show that MUM take TM research seriously in the sense of studying what it actually does. Mind you, in certain contexts, perfection for perfection's sake is useful. For example, I'm trying to revive my classical guitar technique by developing specific contact juggling techniques that overlap the coordination needed for classical guitar. The fact that these juggling techniques aren't very pretty and probably I will never master them to the point that I can perform them in public, isn't relevant to my purposes. I can sit quietly in a waiting room trying to balance a pool ball on my fingertip(s) without bothering anyone, and still, in a sense, be practicing the guitar. At last I know what people are doing with their pool balls! But again, I'm doing the exercise in the moment, rather than thinking about how I'm going to wow the crowds with a virtually invisible trick, so the search for perfection in this context isn't a big deal, on its own. It's just a preparation for something else... Just like TM and the TM-Sidhis. Poor analogy, I can see how stronger fingers might help guitar playing but for the life of me don't get how it translates to yogic flying? The belief that twitching with your eyes closed might one day turn into flying unaided seem like a stretch to this casual observer. L
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: For many people, it is, but they tend to have a real life and not get stuck working for the TMO. Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up to its claims you wouldn't be able to get stuck. Just to underscore salyavin's point, if TM had lived up to its claims, everyone here would have been in CC after 5 to 8 years, the world would be at peace, and attendance at Vedaland would be greater than attendance at Disneyland. :-) Also, Maharishi would have been remembered for real accomplishments, as opposed to having spent his last days re-enacting King Lear by filling a room with toadies who had all spent at least a million dollars to be in the room, and trying to get them to outbid each other by committing to erect the most giant phalluses called Towers Of Invincibility in his name. THAT is the lost Maharishi video I'd most like to see. I'd want to see which of the Rajas played the parts of Reagan and Goneril, falling all over themselves to stroke the the dotty old man's ego by committing to build the greatest number of giant phalluses. And I'd love to see if anyone there still had the cojones and the ethics to play Cordelia, and respond to Maharishi's demands by saying something like, The best thing I could do to honor your memory is help as many people as possible to learn TM, not create giant dicks that make you look like a giant dick yourself in the eyes of history. Hopefully there would have been at least one such Cordelia, and it would have been interesting to see what became of them, and how quickly they were disowned and excommunicated.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: For many people, it is, but they tend to have a real life and not get stuck working for the TMO. Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up to its claims you wouldn't be able to get stuck. Just to underscore salyavin's point, if TM had lived up to its claims, everyone here would have been in CC after 5 to 8 years, the world would be at peace, and attendance at Vedaland would be greater than attendance at Disneyland. :-) Also, Maharishi would have been remembered for real accomplishments, as opposed to having spent his last days re-enacting King Lear by filling a room with toadies who had all spent at least a million dollars to be in the room, and trying to get them to outbid each other by committing to erect the most giant phalluses called Towers Of Invincibility in his name. Considering FFL trends for the last few days, I expect that there may be some...uh...pushback to me saying these things. :-) And that is fine. I merely suggest that those who feel the need to respond somewhat angrily to my post should -- at the same time -- point out exactly what is *inaccurate* in my descriptions above. Maharishi *did* make all of those claims. He *did* spend his last days doing exactly what I described. I fully *understand* that these are not the things that TBs would *like* to remember him by. I'm just joining with Curtis, Rick, Marek and others here in suggesting that such memories are a valid part of both Maharishi's history, and the TMO's. We feel that there is a value in remembering the whole story, not just the parts of it we *want* to remember. If you disagree, or feel that my points are inac- curate, please present evidence that he did *not* make the claims I suggest, or that they came true. Or present a view of his last days that either disproves my version of it, or presents a valid reason why erecting a large number of giant dicks around the world will do anything to benefit humanity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - [push-back]
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: For many people, it is, but they tend to have a real life and not get stuck working for the TMO. Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up to its claims you wouldn't be able to get stuck. Just to underscore salyavin's point, if TM had lived up to its claims, everyone here would have been in CC after 5 to 8 years, the world would be at peace, and attendance at Vedaland would be greater than attendance at Disneyland. :-) Also, Maharishi would have been remembered for real accomplishments, as opposed to having spent his last days re-enacting King Lear by filling a room with toadies who had all spent at least a million dollars to be in the room, and trying to get them to outbid each other by committing to erect the most giant phalluses called Towers Of Invincibility in his name. Considering FFL trends for the last few days, I expect that there may be some...uh...pushback to me saying these things. :-) And that is fine. I merely suggest that those who feel the need to respond somewhat angrily to my post should -- at the same time -- point out exactly what is *inaccurate* in my descriptions above. Maharishi *did* make all of those claims. He *did* spend his last days doing exactly what I described. I fully *understand* that these are not the things that TBs would *like* to remember him by. I'm just joining with Curtis, Rick, Marek and others here in suggesting that such memories are a valid part of both Maharishi's history, and the TMO's. We feel that there is a value in remembering the whole story, not just the parts of it we *want* to remember. If you disagree, or feel that my points are inac- curate, please present evidence that he did *not* make the claims I suggest, or that they came true. Or present a view of his last days that either disproves my version of it, or presents a valid reason why erecting a large number of giant dicks around the world will do anything to benefit humanity. Here's a little... 'Push Back' [as per] you(r) request... Considering that Maharishi came straight from College to reside at Guru Dev's Ashram, and considering that Maharishi spent most of that time, in the rarified air of that place... It's not a great wonder, why Maharishi would have said, back in the day, that 5-8 years of stabilizing pure consciousness would provide C.C. for most people, but because of the 'thickness of consciousness in the West, this was obviously not the case... As far as what was accomplished in the later years, with the 'Rajas' and the millions of dollars, and the Tower of Invincibility and the 'Hopping in the Dome'... All of those things happened in the later years, and is not the 'whole story'... My theory of the later years, when Maharishi was in his 70's and 80's is that 'Something Happened' in 1992, when someone attempted to assasinate Maharishi by poisoning him...(as per Deepak Chopra's account)... He never fully recovered from that incident, as you can see by the pictures and videos of him, in the days since that time... I think as a 'defense mechanism', he came up with this sort of 'Story Book' tale of Rajas and Robes and so on... In that way, he felt that the C.I.A. or whomever was behind the evil plot would think he had 'gone off the deep end' and not take him 'seriously' anymore... Bhagwan Rajneesh also felt, he was 'taken out' by a C.I.A. plot during the 'Bush 41' years of 1991-92... Remember Bush senior had been the head of C.I.A. previous to him becoming V.P. to Ronald Reagan...but that's another story... Anyway, what Maharishi will be remembered for, is still being written.. He's only been gone a few years now... As far as my experience here in Fairfield, it seems that there are people here, finally beginning to experience what has been termed to be 'Enlightenment'... The Atmosphere in the Domes, is completely different these days, with the combined value of the Pundits chanting and there numbers ranging in the 1,000-1,200 area... And the value of even one person, experiencing Enlighenment which enlivens that possibility of all in that person's area... I'm not just talking about C.C. experiences, but more and more people are reporting clear indications of 'Brahman Consciousness'... The experience of complete unboundedness within, and expressions of that unboundedness without... Very beautiful experiences of Witnessing Sleep, Witnessing activity, having desire fulfilled, appreciation of the value of the heart...on and on feelings of freedom and fulfillment...complete alignment of the intuition of the 'Big Self' being lived as an 'Everyday Reality'... The atmosphere in Fairfield, is very special these days, as those few people experiencing 'Brahman' has a huge effect on the atmosphere... As far as 'hopping' or 'butt bouncing' or 'twitching' or 'whatever' that is just the 'primal expression'
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - [push-back]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: That is why Guru Dev could do a Yagya in India, to 'End WWII' and because he was 'Operating from a non-localized Place'... Of all the delusions you recount below I find this one actually offensive. I only find it offensive by comparison to say, the delusion that TM brought down the Berlin wall, because so many people died trying to turn the axis powers around - relatives of mine and possibly yours went through hell to liberate Europe and the far east but it could all have been stopped by a little prayer. Bollocks. If yagyas are such a big screaming deal why didn't the all-powerful Guru Dev do one *before* Hitler invaded Poland? And why doesn't the TMO do one now to stop the slaughter in Syria? Wake up and smell the decaffeinated dude, you're having a great time in the domes and good for you, but it doesn't translate to any sort of effect in the outside world. Obviously and I mean really obviously. Here's a little... 'Push Back' [as per] you(r) request... Considering that Maharishi came straight from College to reside at Guru Dev's Ashram, and considering that Maharishi spent most of that time, in the rarified air of that place... It's not a great wonder, why Maharishi would have said, back in the day, that 5-8 years of stabilizing pure consciousness would provide C.C. for most people, but because of the 'thickness of consciousness in the West, this was obviously not the case... As far as what was accomplished in the later years, with the 'Rajas' and the millions of dollars, and the Tower of Invincibility and the 'Hopping in the Dome'... All of those things happened in the later years, and is not the 'whole story'... My theory of the later years, when Maharishi was in his 70's and 80's is that 'Something Happened' in 1992, when someone attempted to assasinate Maharishi by poisoning him...(as per Deepak Chopra's account)... He never fully recovered from that incident, as you can see by the pictures and videos of him, in the days since that time... I think as a 'defense mechanism', he came up with this sort of 'Story Book' tale of Rajas and Robes and so on... In that way, he felt that the C.I.A. or whomever was behind the evil plot would think he had 'gone off the deep end' and not take him 'seriously' anymore... Bhagwan Rajneesh also felt, he was 'taken out' by a C.I.A. plot during the 'Bush 41' years of 1991-92... Remember Bush senior had been the head of C.I.A. previous to him becoming V.P. to Ronald Reagan...but that's another story... Anyway, what Maharishi will be remembered for, is still being written.. He's only been gone a few years now... As far as my experience here in Fairfield, it seems that there are people here, finally beginning to experience what has been termed to be 'Enlightenment'... The Atmosphere in the Domes, is completely different these days, with the combined value of the Pundits chanting and there numbers ranging in the 1,000-1,200 area... And the value of even one person, experiencing Enlighenment which enlivens that possibility of all in that person's area... I'm not just talking about C.C. experiences, but more and more people are reporting clear indications of 'Brahman Consciousness'... The experience of complete unboundedness within, and expressions of that unboundedness without... Very beautiful experiences of Witnessing Sleep, Witnessing activity, having desire fulfilled, appreciation of the value of the heart...on and on feelings of freedom and fulfillment...complete alignment of the intuition of the 'Big Self' being lived as an 'Everyday Reality'... The atmosphere in Fairfield, is very special these days, as those few people experiencing 'Brahman' has a huge effect on the atmosphere... As far as 'hopping' or 'butt bouncing' or 'twitching' or 'whatever' that is just the 'primal expression' of that particular sutra... A more advanced version of the result of that sutra, is the ability to 'fly' to a distance place, at the speed of thought... One's body becomes very still, silent and motionless in the state, the breath very still...and then there is a fluidity of motion as one feels oneself to be merged with the akasha itself, space itself, and one feels as small and light, and one can imagine oneself and 'feel oneself' to be anywhere in 'God's Great Creation'... Whatever it takes to get beyond the 'Little Self' the small ego... That's what it takes... A great deal of purification and un-stressing can also be on the road to complete enlightenment... A complete letting go of what the mind thinks it knows, and a shift to what is known by the 'Silent Stillness Itself'... When one has an experience at that level that is 'Beyond Boundaries'... Then the effect of that is 'Non-Localized'... In other words, when one is 'Vibrating the Vibration of Brahman Consciousness'...when one is having a
[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG: kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: It seems to me the purpose of YS III 31 kaNTha-kuupe kSut-pipaasa-nivRttiH ...might well be to prevent or even treat insulin resistance aka type 2 diabetes, or whatevah! I mean that would seem to be almost the sole raison d'être for that suutra!?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Beautiful stuff, Barry. A life well-lived. What happened to Orange in those first two games? The orange was squeezed out. Are they mourning there in Amsterdam? Arjen Robben seemed angry at being replaced. Is there an 'attitude' problem with the Dutch side? Don't know about that, but Robben has a bit of a down now. Remember also he is playing for Bavaria Munich. Many of the German players are his buddies. That would make sense to me. Nice goal by Robin, however. Can't beat that German discipline. Riiight! But not just discipline, also cleverness and great technique.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie review: Twixt
On 06/14/2012 02:41 PM, turquoiseb wrote: Bzzzt. Big mistake. The result is like a script written by Robin Carlsen -- completely subjective, and thus completely indecipherable. You can tell that it must have been a powerful dream *for the dreamer*, but he is unable to convey to the audience anything that made it all feel so mystical and magical and full of meaning and importance to him. Oct 5A goldencrested wren had got into my room at night and circled round dazzled by the gaslight on the white cieling; when caught even and put out it would come in again. Ruffling the crest which is mounted over the crown and eyes like beetlebrows, I smoothed and fingered the little orange and yellow feathers which are hidden in it. Next morning I found many of these about the room and enclosed them in a letter to Cyril on his wedding day. July 22...I had a nightmare that night. I thought something or someone leapt onto me and held me quite fast: this I think woke me, so that after this I shall have had the use of reason. This first start is, I think, a nervous collapse of the same sort as when one is very tired and holding oneself at stress not to sleep yet/suddenly goes slack and seems to fall and wakes, only on a greater scale and with a loss of muscular control reaching more or less deep; this one to the chest and not further, so that I could speak, whispering at first, then louderfor the chest is the first and greatest centre of motion and action, the seat of [the soul]. I had lost all muscular stress everywhere but not sensitive, feeling where each limb lay and thinking that I could recover myself if I could move my finger, I said, and then the arm and so the whole body. The feeling is terrible: the body no longer swayed as a piece by the nervous and muscular instress seems to fall in and hang like a dead weight on the chest. I cried on the holy name and by degrees recovered myself as I thought to do. It made me think that this is how the souls in hell would be imprisoned in their bodies as in prisons and of what St. Theresa says of the 'little press in the wall' where she felt herself to be in her vision. Oct. 8Bright and beautiful day. Crests of snow could be seen on the mountains. Barraud and I walked over to Hoywell and bathed at the well and returned very joyously. The sight of the water in the well as clear as glass, greenish like beryl or aquamarine, trembling at the surface with the force of the springs, and shaping out the five foils of the well quite drew and held my eyes to it. Within a month or six weeks from this...a young man from Liverpool, Arthur Kent (?), was cured of rupture/in the water. The strong unfailing flow of the water and the chain of cures from year to year all these centuries took hold of my mind with wonder at the bounty of God in one of His saints, the sensible thing so naturally and gracefully uttering the spiritual reason of its being (which is all in true keeping with the story of St. Winefred's death and recovery) and the spring in place leading back the thoughts by its spring in time to its spring in eternity: even now the stress and buoyancy and abundance of the water is before my eyes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: [...] As I�ve commented numerous times before, Personality disordered people are the bane of email lists. All the societal filters that would prevent such a person from wreaking havoc in person are gone, so consequently they can wreak havoc on the lives of others unabated. On moderated lists, it�s less of an issue. On lightly moderated lists, it can destroy the tenor and tone of the list. Vaj, has it never occurred to you that your own obsession with TM and MMY could be described this way? Come to think of it, MY own obsession with TM and MMY could be described this way... To my mind, the obsession with diagnosing people he doesn't like (along with iranitea and Barry) with personality disorders is far more destructive of the tenor and tone of the list than anything these people do. It's insidious of you to assume I do not like Robin because I have formed this opinion. It has more to do with judging what he says. The fact that this came out here on the list, and the way it came out has more to do with the habitual obsessions of certain people here. (Hint, hint)
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Bayern Munich --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Beautiful stuff, Barry. A life well-lived. What happened to Orange in those first two games? The orange was squeezed out. Are they mourning there in Amsterdam? Arjen Robben seemed angry at being replaced. Is there an 'attitude' problem with the Dutch side? Don't know about that, but Robben has a bit of a down now. Remember also he is playing for Bavaria Munich. Many of the German players are his buddies. That would make sense to me. Nice goal by Robin, however. Can't beat that German discipline. Riiight! But not just discipline, also cleverness and great technique.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Chaim you are grandstanding again. Is this your new Palace of the Occult? Are you still on that stage even here? Consider reading the article before you comment. It gives an accurate account of Shankara's central teaching points and demonstrates the divergence between Shankara's original advaita and the yogic advaita that appeared after the fourteenth century. Ok, I didn't mean to grandstand... I will be sure to read the beginning thread so I know where the conversation started... I'm not sure how long the 'Palace of the Occult' lasted...just a few years...no biggie... I do know that Mr. Hitler thought that the Reich would last a 'Thousand Years'... One thing that has lasted beyond 1945, is the 'World and Individual Trauma' of WWII... Many people in Fairfield, are working out 'Karma' from that time period... Once you get beyond the ego, you can start to 'Feel' that some people were on the Nazi side, and others were exterminated by the Nazis, with Zyclon B, which is the same chemical used to kill 'insects'... So, all of that was 'Pretty Intense Karma'... It is known that Guru Dev, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati performed a Yagya toward to end of the war, that helped to neutralize that negative influence, and Maharishi since that time, spread the 'Knowledge far and wide'... So, this year of 2012, is the 'End of the 13 Hells'... This started when the Spanish conquered the Maya Indian Culture... The Mayans were trying to tell us, that at this time, we would be 'Purging the Deepest Samskars' especially those left over from WWII... WWII was like 'Hitting Botton' of the 13 Hells... At the end of the 13 Hells, we will have a 'New Age' based on more 'Universal Principles'...much as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, was preparing for us, as they performed the 'Yagya to End WWII'... And the taking on of the 'Deepest Karmas on Earth' by Maharishi agreeing to take on some of the 'Nazi Leadership' from that 'Past Time on Earth'...as well as many 'Holocaust Survivors'... Jai Guru Dev Very true. Maharishi certainly took upon himself the burden to help cleaning up the West after WWII by including many of the former Nazi's and their offspring in the Movement. Many here have experienced the WYMS, all of whom were sons and daughters of higher officers in the third reich. Not to mention many of the early leaders of the Movement who very clearly showed signs of grandiosity and delusion. It's truely a great task Maharishi took upon himself, one of many he solved with flying colours.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Bayern Munich Yep, I tried to translate it into English --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Beautiful stuff, Barry. A life well-lived. What happened to Orange in those first two games? The orange was squeezed out. Are they mourning there in Amsterdam? Arjen Robben seemed angry at being replaced. Is there an 'attitude' problem with the Dutch side? Don't know about that, but Robben has a bit of a down now. Remember also he is playing for Bavaria Munich. Many of the German players are his buddies. That would make sense to me. Nice goal by Robin, however. Can't beat that German discipline. Riiight! But not just discipline, also cleverness and great technique.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Don't Want Wireless Water Meters or an Expensive Opt Out in Fairfield?
From: Diane Rosenberg drosenb...@lisco.com Don’t Want Wireless Water Meters or an Expensive Opt Out in Fairfield? Here’s what you can do: 1. Attend the Environmental Utilities Committee Meeting this Monday, June 18 at 7:00 pm. Here is an announcement from Michael Halley, chairman of the committee: The next Environmental Franchise Utilities Committee meeting is scheduled for this Monday, June 18th, 7:00 PM at city hall. One of the agenda items is the radio-read meter opt-out program. Anyone interested in making a proposal on how the city can reduce the cost of this program for Fairfield residents is encouraged to come and speak. Committee meetings are generally less formal than full city council meetings so as long as everyone remains civil and respectful we can have a more casual conversation on this topic. The committee will take the feedback from this meeting to the full council on Monday, June 25th so this is a good opportunity for everyone to be part of the decision making process. 2. Write a Letter to the Editor for The Fairfield Ledger. Many letters appeared this week. Many more will keep this issue in the public eye and continue to let our city administration know that this is an important issue. It can be short or up to 400 words. The Ledger likes to print letters – it sells papers. Email: Jeff Wilson - p...@ffledger.com 3. Write a letter to your City Council representatives. Make it courteous and kind as well as assertive – you will have much more impact and open ears. Write personally to the Council member representing your Ward, the two At-Large Council members , then cc all other council members and Mayor Ed Malloy. Here is a link to get city council email addresses: http://cityoffairfieldiowa.com/index.aspx?nid=114 (click on their names). Mayor Malloy is at: mayormal...@fairfieldcityhall.com 4. Learn as much as you can about this issue. The Fairfield Safe Meters website has a lot of info: http://fairfieldsafemeters.com/ as does the Facebook page: http://facebook.com/fairfieldsafemeters 5. Keep and eye out and sign the paper petitions that will be around town starting in the next few days, even if you signed the Change.org petition. Fairfield Safe Meters is collecting signatures so they can prove Fairfield city addresses and also make this more public. The goal is to get a minimun of 1000 signatures - and many more. 6. Subscribe to the Fairfield Safe Meters email list to get the latest updates. To subscribe, send an email to fairfieldsafemet...@gmail.com with SUBSCRIBE in the Subject. 7. Pass this email on to all your friends! Thanks for all you do!
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Robin - Down to Zero
Emily, I always think of this song, when I see your name here, you probably know it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLQiFlgSVYs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brp8Va8XVQwfeature=fvwrel Dear Robin, Such a great joy to hear from you again. Thank you for infusing FFL with a little humor and wisdom and poetry and positive energy. Your presence is a gift here and your perspicacity is not easily matched. I am off to the beach today to unplug for a couple of weeks, but I wanted to let you know how very much I enjoyed reading your posts this week. ~Em
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Robin - Down to Zero
Yes, but: Emily tries and understands, ah oh/ She's not inclined to borrow somebody's dreams for today.../ [She'll] keep [her] mind and play. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: Emily, I always think of this song, when I see your name here, you probably know it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLQiFlgSVYs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brp8Va8XVQwfeature=fvwrel Dear Robin, Such a great joy to hear from you again. Thank you for infusing FFL with a little humor and wisdom and poetry and positive energy. Your presence is a gift here and your perspicacity is not easily matched. I am off to the beach today to unplug for a couple of weeks, but I wanted to let you know how very much I enjoyed reading your posts this week. ~Em
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
emptybill: What is Advaita? What is Yoga? Both Sankhya and Yoga are concerned with the two principles: Purusha and prakriti. Prakriti is composed of the 32 tattwas which are maintained by the three constituents of nature, namely the three gunas. You should know that the Purusha is completely and totally separate from the prakriti, that's why they call it the Transcendental Absolute. So, we have relative and absolute qualities of life, a material existence and another - which is beyond the forces born of nature. Do we agree so far? The force of prakriti is called samsara, which has been described by Shakya the Muni as a like a 'wheel', eternally in motion, with twelve spokes symbolizing the 'Twelve-fold Chain of Causation', much like the whirling flames that shoot out as God Shiva does the 'Tandava Dance'. The wheel then, symbolizes the revolving cycle of transmigration, brought about by the law of cause and effect, or karma. According to the Shakya, the purpose of yoga is to thin out the taints of past karma, the samkaras. The Adi Shankara agrees with this in his commentary on the 'Vivarna of Vyasa on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras' and MMY seems to agree when he stated that 'TM' is NOT the cause of enlightenment. The practice simply provides the ideal opportunity for the transcending. Patanjali says: When thought ceases, the Transcendental Absolute stands by itself, refers to Itself, as a witness to the world - (YS I.1.3} tada drastuh svarupe vasthanam.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Robin - Down to Zero
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Yes, but: Emily tries and understands, Your call here. Maybe she understands you (or you feel understood by her), but not me. LOL ah oh/ She's not inclined to borrow somebody's dreams for today.../ [She'll] keep [her] mind and play. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Emily, I always think of this song, when I see your name here, you probably know it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLQiFlgSVYs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brp8Va8XVQwfeature=fvwrel Dear Robin, Such a great joy to hear from you again. Thank you for infusing FFL with a little humor and wisdom and poetry and positive energy. Your presence is a gift here and your perspicacity is not easily matched. I am off to the beach today to unplug for a couple of weeks, but I wanted to let you know how very much I enjoyed reading your posts this week. ~Em
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Barry dosen't understand that Emily has true love and concern for him. Thank you, however, for the advice. I think, by the way, that Emily has the last word here. What she managed to say, well, it seemed the whole universe was listening and Barry could not answer her. And never will. She spoke the truth in both of her e-mails addressed to Mr Wright who is an intelligent and interesting person, by the way. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Robin, please note that Barry hates attention. You can talk to me, IraniTea, Judy, Share and Raunchy. By the way Robin, please elaborate on this point you mentioned below. This particular fresco you mention. Did you ever get to Bologna and enter the Basilica of San Petronio to see the fresco of The Last Judgment by Giovanni da Moedena? My friend The Ayatollah did not like Mohammed's final fate as depicted there. Being bound to a rock in Hell, getting clawed by demons. --- Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear Jason, I can't separate out that particular passage in my letter to Barry. The whole thing is a unity (what I wrote there, despite it's seeming desultory appearance). To elaborate on this point would destroy the integrity of what I createdunder the inspiration of approaching someone who finds me a repellent or tedious or narcissistic or mentally disturbed human being. I responded to his post as best I could. What you read there is all of a piece, even as it seemingly is composed of separate and disparate pieces. On the other hand, if you wish me to talk about Islam in relationship to Dante putting Mohammed in the Eight Circle of Hell, I am glad to do that. Muslims are ultra-sincere about their religion and they are extremely sensitive to any disparaging references to their Prophetas we know from the life of Salman Rushdie, himself raised in a Muslim household in India. In my various trips to the Middle East I talked to numerous Muslims, and became friends with a devout Islamic scholar (a convert). I think I know how a Muslim thinksboth the Shi'a and the Sunni (they are very different by the way: this is most important to know for instance in understanding Iran as opposed say, to Saudi Arabia). But all devout Muslims are almost incapable of tolerating any criticism of MohammedThis is what Islam does to you if you give yourself to it. You are never the same. About Barry hating attention, I know what you mean here, Jason. Barry will be Barry no matter what. My motive in responding to him was because he thought it fitting to continue to depict medisingenuouslyas someone suffering under some kind of mania. This is absurd, as even his good friend Curtis knew. But as long as he feels he needs to do this, I will, if I feel it is appropriate, find some way to answer him. What I wrote today, that was, for me, the only way to respond to what he had written. Thank you, however, for the advice. I think, by the way, that Emily has the last word here. What she managed to say, well, it seemed the whole universe was listeningand Barry could not answer her. And never will. She spoke the truth in both of her e-mails addressed to Mr Wrightwho is an intelligent and interesting person, by the way. Robin --- Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Beautiful stuff, Barry. A life well-lived. What happened to Orange in those first two games? Are they mourning there in Amsterdam? Arjen Robben seemed angry at being replaced. Is there an 'attitude' problem with the Dutch side? That would make sense to me. Nice goal by Robin, however. Can't beat that German discipline. Did you know that Max von Sydow says that Ingmar Bergman actually got to play chess with Deathand lived to tell about it? I guess it's hard being a Clear if we are to go by John Travolta's troublesalthough Tom is said to be terrific in Rock of Ages. I think Matt and Trey pretty much insure that Mitt won't be talking about his underwearlike Bill did in '92. Did you know they call the Nissan GT-R Godzilla? If I get Boris Johnson to come, you will have a beer with me, right? Sometimes being a conservative is all right. Someone told me you would go after Saint Francis of Assisi if he posted on FFL. Gertrude Elizabeth Margaret Anscombe, she was Thomas Nagel's teacher at Cambridge, and now it seems, with his book coming out in September [Oxford], they are getting a little closer metaphysically. What is New York all about? They booed Tim Tebow when he showed up at a Yankees game. That maybe was the first moment when Jesus couldn't explain to him what was happening. Saying the Rosary, it ain't what it used to be. Did you ever get to Bologna and enter the Basilica of San Petronio to see the fresco of The Last Judgment by Giovanni da Moedena? My friend The
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Barry dosen't understand that Emily has true love and concern for him. Emily maybe full of love, but she doesn't understand Barry either: That he is completely truthful to himself and authentic. She could learn much from Barry. Thank you, however, for the advice. I think, by the way, that Emily has the last word here. What she managed to say, well, it seemed the whole universe was listening and Barry could not answer her. And never will. She spoke the truth in both of her e-mails addressed to Mr Wright who is an intelligent and interesting person, by the way. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Robin, please note that Barry hates attention. You can talk to me, IraniTea, Judy, Share and Raunchy. By the way Robin, please elaborate on this point you mentioned below. This particular fresco you mention. Did you ever get to Bologna and enter the Basilica of San Petronio to see the fresco of The Last Judgment by Giovanni da Moedena? My friend The Ayatollah did not like Mohammed's final fate as depicted there. Being bound to a rock in Hell, getting clawed by demons. --- Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Jason, I can't separate out that particular passage in my letter to Barry. The whole thing is a unity (what I wrote there, despite it's seeming desultory appearance). To elaborate on this point would destroy the integrity of what I createdunder the inspiration of approaching someone who finds me a repellent or tedious or narcissistic or mentally disturbed human being. I responded to his post as best I could. What you read there is all of a piece, even as it seemingly is composed of separate and disparate pieces. On the other hand, if you wish me to talk about Islam in relationship to Dante putting Mohammed in the Eight Circle of Hell, I am glad to do that. Muslims are ultra-sincere about their religion and they are extremely sensitive to any disparaging references to their Prophetas we know from the life of Salman Rushdie, himself raised in a Muslim household in India. In my various trips to the Middle East I talked to numerous Muslims, and became friends with a devout Islamic scholar (a convert). I think I know how a Muslim thinksboth the Shi'a and the Sunni (they are very different by the way: this is most important to know for instance in understanding Iran as opposed say, to Saudi Arabia). But all devout Muslims are almost incapable of tolerating any criticism of MohammedThis is what Islam does to you if you give yourself to it. You are never the same. About Barry hating attention, I know what you mean here, Jason. Barry will be Barry no matter what. My motive in responding to him was because he thought it fitting to continue to depict medisingenuouslyas someone suffering under some kind of mania. This is absurd, as even his good friend Curtis knew. But as long as he feels he needs to do this, I will, if I feel it is appropriate, find some way to answer him. What I wrote today, that was, for me, the only way to respond to what he had written. Thank you, however, for the advice. I think, by the way, that Emily has the last word here. What she managed to say, well, it seemed the whole universe was listeningand Barry could not answer her. And never will. She spoke the truth in both of her e-mails addressed to Mr Wrightwho is an intelligent and interesting person, by the way. Robin --- Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Beautiful stuff, Barry. A life well-lived. What happened to Orange in those first two games? Are they mourning there in Amsterdam? Arjen Robben seemed angry at being replaced. Is there an 'attitude' problem with the Dutch side? That would make sense to me. Nice goal by Robin, however. Can't beat that German discipline. Did you know that Max von Sydow says that Ingmar Bergman actually got to play chess with Deathand lived to tell about it? I guess it's hard being a Clear if we are to go by John Travolta's troublesalthough Tom is said to be terrific in Rock of Ages. I think Matt and Trey pretty much insure that Mitt won't be talking about his underwearlike Bill did in '92. Did you know they call the Nissan GT-R Godzilla? If I get Boris Johnson to come, you will have a beer with me, right? Sometimes being a conservative is all right. Someone told me you would go after Saint Francis of Assisi if he posted on FFL. Gertrude Elizabeth Margaret Anscombe, she was Thomas Nagel's teacher at Cambridge, and now it seems, with his book coming out in September [Oxford], they are getting a little closer metaphysically. What is New York all about? They booed Tim Tebow when he showed
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
emptybill: It gives an accurate account of Shankara's central teaching points and demonstrates the divergence between Shankara's original advaita and the yogic advaita that appeared after the fourteenth century. Advaita Vedanta is just a restatement of Vajrayana Buddhism, the 'Consciousness Only' school. Almost all the Upaanishads were composed after the Shakya's passing. According to the consciousness only school, 'chit' is thought, 'citta' is conciousness - 'citta vriti' means the turning of thought in the mind. ''Nirodha' is cessation - the turnings have stopped, ceased, come to a halt, stilled, blown out, made peaceful, 'nirvana'. According to Patanjali, Yoga is concerned with *isolation*, 'kaivalya', from the prakriti; the cessation of the fluctuations of the mindstuff; the attainment of freedom. The problem is, you can't have freewill and be under the power of another; that would be a contradiction in terms, would it not? We are either free or we are not; if free, then there is no need for yoga practice. If we are not free, then by what means are we to free ourselves? It's that simple - there is either other-power or self-power. The other power is termed 'maya' and the Transcendent Power is termed 'Self-power'. The power of this world is maya, that is, the illusion that we are separate from the Purusha. It's like a veil, that when pulled, reveals the real. All the Vedanta sampradayas accept maya in one form or another. It's a state of mind, where the individual 'wakes up' to reality - comes alive to his own inner bodhi nature. However, there is a trick: maya is not real, yet not unreal, nor both nor neither! According Chaitanya, the exact way that maya produces the world, yet at the same time, remains one in the Purusha, 'adwaita', is really indescribable. Patanjali says: Otherwise you identify with the turning of thoughts - vritti sarupyam itaratra (YS I.1.4). Otherwise, you identify with the thoughts, get overwhelmed by them, and before you know it, you are thinking, 'this is my body, this is my self', and forgetting that you are in reality the Transcendental Person - the Purusha looking over your self.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: emptybill: It gives an accurate account of Shankara's central teaching points and demonstrates the divergence between Shankara's original advaita and the yogic advaita that appeared after the fourteenth century. Advaita Vedanta is just a restatement of Vajrayana Buddhism, the 'Consciousness Only' school. Almost all the Upaanishads were composed after the Shakya's passing. Where I am coming from, where I just spend the last 3 month, buses have sign-boards saying: Nagarjuna, there is a popular cement brand called Nagarjuna as well, I used to have philosophical discussions with my friend, walking on the street, when a bus, having a huge sign 'Nagarjuna' was just passing by. I think people there don't know much about him, as there are hardly any Buddhists in the population, but about 400 kms north there is this place 'Nagarjunakonda' where Nagarjuna spent most of his life in the forests. According to the consciousness only school, 'chit' is thought, 'citta' is conciousness - 'citta vriti' means the turning of thought in the mind. ''Nirodha' is cessation - the turnings have stopped, ceased, come to a halt, stilled, blown out, made peaceful, 'nirvana'. According to Patanjali, Yoga is concerned with *isolation*, 'kaivalya', from the prakriti; the cessation of the fluctuations of the mindstuff; the attainment of freedom. The problem is, you can't have freewill and be under the power of another; that would be a contradiction in terms, would it not? We are either free or we are not; if free, then there is no need for yoga practice. If we are not free, then by what means are we to free ourselves? It's that simple - there is either other-power or self-power. The other power is termed 'maya' and the Transcendent Power is termed 'Self-power'. The power of this world is maya, that is, the illusion that we are separate from the Purusha. It's like a veil, that when pulled, reveals the real. All the Vedanta sampradayas accept maya in one form or another. It's a state of mind, where the individual 'wakes up' to reality - comes alive to his own inner bodhi nature. However, there is a trick: maya is not real, yet not unreal, nor both nor neither! According Chaitanya, the exact way that maya produces the world, yet at the same time, remains one in the Purusha, 'adwaita', is really indescribable. Patanjali says: Otherwise you identify with the turning of thoughts - vritti sarupyam itaratra (YS I.1.4). Otherwise, you identify with the thoughts, get overwhelmed by them, and before you know it, you are thinking, 'this is my body, this is my self', and forgetting that you are in reality the Transcendental Person - the Purusha looking over your self.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: Where I am coming from, where I just spend the last 3 month, buses have sign-boards saying: Nagarjuna, there is a popular cement brand called Nagarjuna as well, I used to have philosophical discussions with my friend, walking on the street, when a bus, having a huge sign 'Nagarjuna' was just passing by. I think people there don't know much about him, as there are hardly any Buddhists in the population, but about 400 kms north there is this place 'Nagarjunakonda' where Nagarjuna spent most of his life in the forests. http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1hl=enclient=ubuntusa=Nchannel=fsb\ iw=1167bih=568tbm=ischtbnid=Jp7JTUT2JIWOoM:imgrefurl=http://www.face\ book.com/people/Nagarjuna-Cement/11705356588docid=qPQP7XhwlE5KJMim\ gurl=http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41633_11705356588_\ 4896_n.jpgw=133h=149ei=aD7bT_ziD8zN4QSD3MDWCgzoom=1 http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1hl=enclient=ubuntusa=Nchannel=fsb\ iw=1167bih=568tbm=ischtbnid=vEMtZOkOFVZsfM:imgrefurl=http://www.prot\ ocolindia.com/clients_cement.htmldocid=xREOKCJtMjfaYMimgurl=http://www\ .protocolindia.com/client_logo/Nagarjuna-Cement.jpgw=150h=100ei=aD7bT\ _ziD8zN4QSD3MDWCgzoom=1
[FairfieldLife] Eye Witness to Khomeni
Organizational Life-cycle of spiritual groups Witnessing Khomeni in the flesh.. These reflections on Khomeni are fantastik aside from your own subjective state of mind.. Did you really see him? How did you go about that? You got press credentials or a pass as a Canadian journalist? Your analysis of him as a spiritual leader is really interesting given all that we have experienced, even just living in Fairfield and being witness to a host of Sat Gurus and spiritual people sitting and visiting with us here. That continum of shakti charisma melded with character traits I find interesting to meter out in the life of what may well start out as spiritual movements which become political and social revolutionary movements. This shakti scale is not much accounted for in academic political science accounts of a Khomeni, Pol Pot, or a Mao or Stalin in personality. At most the spiritual component is just acknowledged as a 'charisma'. But in the cases of some of these, do these people lack on empathic neurons in a way that makes them spiritual and sociopaths? Your first hand account evidently raises this and points to that discussion again about powerful sociopaths in spiritual organizations. I think your observation of yet another infamous 20th Century sociopath could well add to academic understandings about the life of some spiritual organizations. Spiritual and Sociopathology: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/307846 Observing Khomeni: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/312097 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: I couldn't help but feel embarrassed and concerned when I saw this excerpt from one of my books (strongly discountenanced by the way: I don't like any of them: they should all be burned!) posted at FFL. And I would like to say a few thingsnot in my defense, but in explanation for how it could come to be that I would write so enthusiastically and uncritically about someone like Ayatollah Khomeini. Now I have gone on the record to say that my Unity Consciousness experience was both very real (enlightenment does exist, it is an actual 'style of functioning' of the nervous system as Maharishi has claimed: enlightenment, then, is both a mechanical and metaphysical state of consciousness: and I believe it can be objectively determined; that is, one can apply criteria to decide whether someone is enlightened or not enlightened) and yet an hallucination. When I speak of Unity Consciousness as a hallucination I mean that it produces an essentially unreal apprehension of the universe, of oneself, of reality. Even though that experience is like nothing anyone has ever known, even on LSD (I remember in the moment when I was actually becoming enlightened thinking: Well, this is what LSD was pointing towards): It is so much more profound (than LSD), and it carries with it the imprimatur of what appears to be the very intelligence of the cosmos. And it takes away from oneself the sense of the primacy of volitional action; that is, one's actions appear to conform to Maharishi's principle of spontaneous right actionwithout even the capacity to make those actions existentially selective. That is, originating in choice, deliberation, arbitrariness. Unity Consciousness means apprehending oneself as unified with what seems to be reality, while simultaneously finding oneself governed in one's behaviour by that same reality, a reality which is deeper and more intelligent and more all-encompassing than the individual awareness which determined one's life before enlightenment. Now when the Iranian students seized the American Embassy in Tehran in September 1979 I recognized *from within my Unity Consciousness*, from within the hallucination of my enlightenment, that something essentially religious as opposed to something merely political was happening. These young Iranians seemed to be acting out of a religious experience of the objective truthfulness of Shi'a Islam, and a conviction therefore that they were doing the will of God (Allah:I believe there may be a difference however :-) ) in taking these American diplomats and embassy personnel hostageagainst all international law. In a sense I felt their actions, as transgressive as they appeared to be on one level, to be, on another level, transcendent, coming out of an experience of reality (via Shi'a Islam) which was very real for them. Something, then, along the lines of 'spontaneous right action'. I determined to get to Iran and find out more about this, and, after writing a small book about the crisis, I left for Tehran in January 1980, determined to interview the main players. I was unable to see Khomeni during that visit, but I did enter the American Embassy where I spoke to the leader (a woman) of the students who were were holding the Americans hostageI didn't see
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Where I am coming from, where I just spend the last 3 month, buses have sign-boards saying: Nagarjuna, there is a popular cement brand called Nagarjuna as well, I used to have philosophical discussions with my friend, walking on the street, when a bus, having a huge sign ' Nagarjuna' was just passing by. I think people there don't know much about him, as there are hardly any Buddhists in the population, but about 400 kms north there is this place 'Nagarjunakonda' where Nagarjuna spent most of his life in the forests. http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1hl=enclient=ubuntusa=Nchannel=fsb\ iw=1167bih=568tbm=ischtbnid=Jp7JTUT2JIWOoM:imgrefurl=http://www.face\ book.com/people/Nagarjuna-Cement/11705356588docid=qPQP7XhwlE5KJMim\ gurl=http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41633_11705356588_\ 4896_n.jpgw=133h=149ei=aD7bT_ziD8zN4QSD3MDWCgzoom=1 http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1hl=enclient=ubuntusa=Nchannel=fsb\ iw=1167bih=568tbm=ischtbnid=vEMtZOkOFVZsfM:imgrefurl=http://www.prot\ ocolindia.com/clients_cement.htmldocid=xREOKCJtMjfaYMimgurl=http://www\ .protocolindia.com/client_logo/Nagarjuna-Cement.jpgw=150h=100ei=aD7bT\ _ziD8zN4QSD3MDWCgzoom=1 As I've mentioned before, in the days shortly after I walked away from the TMO, I shared an apartment with a fellow who went off to TTC in India. When he returned he brought me a gift -- a bottle of Guru brand beer. I kept it for many years, although I never tasted it because he told me it was really, really, really bad. I always loved the idea, and used to bring it out at parties and entertain with a comedy routine based on what its *advertising campaign must have been like. Can't you imagine it? A bunch of way holy holy men trudge up the hill to their caves in the evening, after a day of working with their disciples down in the town below. They strip off the tops of their dhotis and sit around in their undershirts, complaining for a few minutes about the long, hard grind of their work day. But then some- one brings out a six-pack of Guru. They pass the bottles around, pop the tops off of them, and take a sip, and the heavy karmas of the day just fade away, as they raise their bottles and toast each other, saying, Man, that's a Guru! :-) [http://www.indiaoverland.biz/forum-img/guru.jpg] http://www.indiaoverland.biz/forum-img/guru.jpg http://www.indiaoverland.biz/forum-img/guru.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: emptybill: What is Advaita? What is Yoga? Both Sankhya and Yoga are concerned with the two principles: Purusha and prakriti. Prakriti is composed of the 32 tattwas which are maintained by the three constituents of nature, namely the three gunas. You should know that the Purusha is completely and totally separate from the prakriti, that's why they call it the Transcendental Absolute. So, we have relative and absolute qualities of life, a material existence and another - which is beyond the forces born of nature. Do we agree so far? The force of prakriti is called samsara, which has been described by Shakya the Muni as a like a 'wheel', eternally in motion, with twelve spokes symbolizing the 'Twelve-fold Chain of Causation', much like the whirling flames that shoot out as God Shiva does the 'Tandava Dance'. The wheel then, symbolizes the revolving cycle of transmigration, brought about by the law of cause and effect, or karma. According to the Shakya, the purpose of yoga is to thin out the taints of past karma, the samkaras. The Adi Shankara agrees with this in his commentary on the 'Vivarna of Vyasa on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras' and MMY seems to agree when he stated that 'TM' is NOT the cause of enlightenment. The practice simply provides the ideal opportunity for the transcending. Patanjali says: When thought ceases, the Transcendental Absolute stands by itself, refers to Itself, as a witness to the world - (YS I.1.3} tada drastuh svarupe vasthanam. IIRC Shankara did not use the word Advaita for his philosophy, rather it would have been called Sankhya at the time. Please also bear in mind, that discrimination, Viveka, was the basis of Shankaras teaching. Discrimination between Purusha and Prakriti, Brahman and Maya, therefore one of the works attributed to him is called Vivekachudamani or Crest jewel of discrimination. Shankara, like Nagarjuna, was adhering to the doctrine of two truths, as it is already mentioned in the Upanishads. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-truths_doctrine I have read much, but not yet all of the article by James Swartz, but I have a hard time believing he represents Shankara in any way. For me this is more like Neo-Advaita disguised as traditional Advaita
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Where I am coming from, where I just spend the last 3 month, buses have sign-boards saying: Nagarjuna, there is a popular cement brand called Nagarjuna as well, I used to have philosophical discussions with my friend, walking on the street, when a bus, having a huge sign ' Nagarjuna' was just passing by. I think people there don't know much about him, as there are hardly any Buddhists in the population, but about 400 kms north there is this place 'Nagarjunakonda' where Nagarjuna spent most of his life in the forests. http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1hl=enclient=ubuntusa=Nchannel=fsb\ iw=1167bih=568tbm=ischtbnid=Jp7JTUT2JIWOoM:imgrefurl=http://www.face\ book.com/people/Nagarjuna-Cement/11705356588docid=qPQP7XhwlE5KJMim\ gurl=http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41633_11705356588_\ 4896_n.jpgw=133h=149ei=aD7bT_ziD8zN4QSD3MDWCgzoom=1 http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1hl=enclient=ubuntusa=Nchannel=fsb\ iw=1167bih=568tbm=ischtbnid=vEMtZOkOFVZsfM:imgrefurl=http://www.prot\ ocolindia.com/clients_cement.htmldocid=xREOKCJtMjfaYMimgurl=http://www\ .protocolindia.com/client_logo/Nagarjuna-Cement.jpgw=150h=100ei=aD7bT\ _ziD8zN4QSD3MDWCgzoom=1 As I've mentioned before, in the days shortly after I walked away from the TMO, I shared an apartment with a fellow who went off to TTC in India. When he returned he brought me a gift -- a bottle of Guru brand beer. I kept it for many years, although I never tasted it because he told me it was really, really, really bad. I always loved the idea, and used to bring it out at parties and entertain with a comedy routine based on what its *advertising campaign must have been like. Can't you imagine it? A bunch of way holy holy men trudge up the hill to their caves in the evening, after a day of working with their disciples down in the town below. They strip off the tops of their dhotis and sit around in their undershirts, complaining for a few minutes about the long, hard grind of their work day. But then some- one brings out a six-pack of Guru. They pass the bottles around, pop the tops off of them, and take a sip, and the heavy karmas of the day just fade away, as they raise their bottles and toast each other, saying, Man, that's a Guru! :-) [http://www.indiaoverland.biz/forum-img/guru.jpg] http://www.indiaoverland.biz/forum-img/guru.jpg http://www.indiaoverland.biz/forum-img/guru.jpg Yes, great story. That's very much like India, the profane and the 'holy' are very often close together. Don't forget Durga Wines. At school walls you find paintings of celebrities like Buddha and Che Chevara, together with other saints and social reformers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cornrows
Super video, raunchy. Really lovely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: I'm vacationing in Jamaica. Cornrows and beads are beautiful. http://youtu.be/E16dKX1rnMA
[FairfieldLife] sun flares happening, hunker down
Big sunspot AR1504 has developed a 'beta-gamma-delta' magnetic field that harbors energy for strong solar flares. NOAA forecasters estimate a 65% chance of M-flares and a 5% chance of X-flares during the next 24 hours. X-flare alerts. INCOMING CMES: On June 14th, for the second day in a row, sunspot AR1504 erupted and hurled a CME toward Earth. The fast-moving (1360 km/s) cloud is expected to sweep up a previous CME and deliver a combined blow to Earth's magnetic field on June 16th around 10:16 UT.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Barry dosen't understand that Emily has true love and concern for him. Emily maybe full of love, but she doesn't understand Barry either: That he is completely truthful to himself and authentic. She could learn much from Barry. http://youtu.be/BbcMVVs4XDM Thank you, however, for the advice. I think, by the way, that Emily has the last word here. What she managed to say, well, it seemed the whole universe was listening and Barry could not answer her. And never will. She spoke the truth in both of her e-mails addressed to Mr Wright who is an intelligent and interesting person, by the way. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Robin, please note that Barry hates attention. You can talk to me, IraniTea, Judy, Share and Raunchy. By the way Robin, please elaborate on this point you mentioned below. This particular fresco you mention. Did you ever get to Bologna and enter the Basilica of San Petronio to see the fresco of The Last Judgment by Giovanni da Moedena? My friend The Ayatollah did not like Mohammed's final fate as depicted there. Being bound to a rock in Hell, getting clawed by demons. --- Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Jason, I can't separate out that particular passage in my letter to Barry. The whole thing is a unity (what I wrote there, despite it's seeming desultory appearance). To elaborate on this point would destroy the integrity of what I createdunder the inspiration of approaching someone who finds me a repellent or tedious or narcissistic or mentally disturbed human being. I responded to his post as best I could. What you read there is all of a piece, even as it seemingly is composed of separate and disparate pieces. On the other hand, if you wish me to talk about Islam in relationship to Dante putting Mohammed in the Eight Circle of Hell, I am glad to do that. Muslims are ultra-sincere about their religion and they are extremely sensitive to any disparaging references to their Prophetas we know from the life of Salman Rushdie, himself raised in a Muslim household in India. In my various trips to the Middle East I talked to numerous Muslims, and became friends with a devout Islamic scholar (a convert). I think I know how a Muslim thinksboth the Shi'a and the Sunni (they are very different by the way: this is most important to know for instance in understanding Iran as opposed say, to Saudi Arabia). But all devout Muslims are almost incapable of tolerating any criticism of MohammedThis is what Islam does to you if you give yourself to it. You are never the same. About Barry hating attention, I know what you mean here, Jason. Barry will be Barry no matter what. My motive in responding to him was because he thought it fitting to continue to depict medisingenuouslyas someone suffering under some kind of mania. This is absurd, as even his good friend Curtis knew. But as long as he feels he needs to do this, I will, if I feel it is appropriate, find some way to answer him. What I wrote today, that was, for me, the only way to respond to what he had written. Thank you, however, for the advice. I think, by the way, that Emily has the last word here. What she managed to say, well, it seemed the whole universe was listeningand Barry could not answer her. And never will. She spoke the truth in both of her e-mails addressed to Mr Wrightwho is an intelligent and interesting person, by the way. Robin --- Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Beautiful stuff, Barry. A life well-lived. What happened to Orange in those first two games? Are they mourning there in Amsterdam? Arjen Robben seemed angry at being replaced. Is there an 'attitude' problem with the Dutch side? That would make sense to me. Nice goal by Robin, however. Can't beat that German discipline. Did you know that Max von Sydow says that Ingmar Bergman actually got to play chess with Deathand lived to tell about it? I guess it's hard being a Clear if we are to go by John Travolta's troublesalthough Tom is said to be terrific in Rock of Ages. I think Matt and Trey pretty much insure that Mitt won't be talking about his underwearlike Bill did in '92. Did you know they call the Nissan GT-R Godzilla? If I get Boris Johnson to come, you will have a beer with me, right? Sometimes being a conservative is all right. Someone told me you would go after Saint Francis of Assisi if he posted on FFL. Gertrude Elizabeth Margaret Anscombe, she was Thomas Nagel's teacher at
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turquoiseb: Or present a view of his last days that either disproves my version of it, or presents a valid reason why erecting a large number of giant dicks around the world will do anything to benefit humanity... Of course, the Maharishi can't hold a candle to all of your life accomplishments! LoL! 'Maharishi's World' by Hemant Kumar A modern worldwide movement spanning 80 countries. This is the world of the modern Maharishi. Satellite dishes and a 24-hour channel, exclusive mind-body centres set in the most beautiful acreage in Europe, mansions and castles where the rich and famous pay daunting sums of money to heal their souls. Hemant Kumar took a tour of the Maharishi's empire and found a fantasyland, where opulence and luxury meet Vedic mantras and Vastu. It's the biggest wooden house in netherlands. not a single metal pin or nail has been driven into the seasoned cedar. Finnish artisans handcrafted wooden pins and rivets to take the place of metallic nails and screws. Famous German architect Ike Hartman pored over reams of original Vastu inscribed in Sthapatya Ved, to design the house. A generous coat of neem oil protects the wood from termite. When the cedar catches the late evening sun, its golden paint simply ignites. And the house glows--like a gigantic ladle overflowing with molten gold. And then, as the sun goes down, up goes the quartet of fountains on the sprawling lawns across the building. Transfixed, I watch the spectacle unfold like a giant slide show. The place is Vlodrop (pronounced Flow-Drop), some 300 km south of Amsterdam. This is where the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi lives and from where he presides over his vast empire girdling the globe and growing ever larger. It's so quiet here you can hear yourself think. I enter the main building and a long, scented corridor lined with slippers. And yet, not a sound. I raise a questioning eyebrow at Atilla, the young Austrian driver who picked me up at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport. Fingers on his lips, he points out my room to me. I unlatch the door, and with a whispered TM time, I must rush too, Atilla disappears down the hallway. My room would put any five-star hotel suite to shame. It's plush, elegant and beautifully decorated. It's part of a huge building, housing more than 500 people, each of them sitting absolutely still, deep in meditation--Transcendental Meditation (TM). At this very moment the man responsible for this modern, mystical nirvana is meditating in his glass-encased veranda. At 85, the Maharishi still meditates six to seven hours daily and works longer than any of his ablest lieutenants can. It is said that no one knows how many hours the Maharishi actually sleeps. He turns in only after midnight and is up again before dawn. In the swinging '60s, when he landed in Europe, the Maharishi encountered a dazed, confused generation. Rebellious youngsters freaking out on the decadent pop culture of the hippies. Marriages wrecking on the bedrock of alcoholism, mistrust and promiscuity. The Beatles and Flower Power. Anti-war demonstrations and the search for an elusive elixir. Inner peace? It was as rare as virginity on Pennsylvania Avenue. At first, they didn't understand what this short,dark man from the Far East was saying to them in his broken English and a deeply eastern accent. But soon enough, they began to trickle in. The trickle changed to a flood. And today, the Maharishi's organisation is a worldwide movement spanning 80 countries. For millions of people in these countries TM twice daily is as essential as brushing their teeth, probably more. The ashram complex is built in a forest clearing. Next to the Maharishi's house is an imposing late-19th-century mansion with more than a 100 large rooms and a labyrinthine network of hallways, gangways and thickly carpeted corridors. It's morning. The Maharishi is listening to Yajur Veda chants on his music system. Outside, the whole place is abuzz with activity. The appetising sound of huge stainless-steel vessels clanging in the kitchen downstairs. The loud chhanngg of rai, hing and curry leaves crackling in pure ghee. Breakfast is being prepared for 500 people and for the Maharishi. A man is snipping white lilies in the sprawling lawn to make a bouquet for the Maharishi. Another pushes a wheelbarrow in the organic vegetable garden, whistling a tune. Indian, European or American, they all greet each other with hands folded and a Jai Guru Dev. This heady cocktail of curry leaves, ghee, Jai Guru Dev, and kurta-pyjama in the heart of white man's Europe would seem ludicrous were it not so genuine and warm and natural in this setting. The greeting 'Jai Guru Dev' is the Maharishi's tribute to his guru, Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath. At the stroke of nine, a young Yajur Veda pandit takes up position in the Brahma Sthaan, the most important place in the Maharishi's house. For the next three hours, he will chant the Veda in its purest form
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is no such thing as Enlightenment
Well said, Richard. I love it when you write like this. ( Go figure.) *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: emptybill: It gives an accurate account of Shankara's central teaching points and demonstrates the divergence between Shankara's original advaita and the yogic advaita that appeared after the fourteenth century. Advaita Vedanta is just a restatement of Vajrayana Buddhism, the 'Consciousness Only' school. Almost all the Upaanishads were composed after the Shakya's passing. According to the consciousness only school, 'chit' is thought, 'citta' is conciousness - 'citta vriti' means the turning of thought in the mind. ''Nirodha' is cessation - the turnings have stopped, ceased, come to a halt, stilled, blown out, made peaceful, 'nirvana'. According to Patanjali, Yoga is concerned with *isolation*, 'kaivalya', from the prakriti; the cessation of the fluctuations of the mindstuff; the attainment of freedom. The problem is, you can't have freewill and be under the power of another; that would be a contradiction in terms, would it not? We are either free or we are not; if free, then there is no need for yoga practice. If we are not free, then by what means are we to free ourselves? It's that simple - there is either other-power or self-power. The other power is termed 'maya' and the Transcendent Power is termed 'Self-power'. The power of this world is maya, that is, the illusion that we are separate from the Purusha. It's like a veil, that when pulled, reveals the real. All the Vedanta sampradayas accept maya in one form or another. It's a state of mind, where the individual 'wakes up' to reality - comes alive to his own inner bodhi nature. However, there is a trick: maya is not real, yet not unreal, nor both nor neither! According Chaitanya, the exact way that maya produces the world, yet at the same time, remains one in the Purusha, 'adwaita', is really indescribable. Patanjali says: Otherwise you identify with the turning of thoughts - vritti sarupyam itaratra (YS I.1.4). Otherwise, you identify with the thoughts, get overwhelmed by them, and before you know it, you are thinking, 'this is my body, this is my self', and forgetting that you are in reality the Transcendental Person - the Purusha looking over your self.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Barry dosen't understand that Emily has true love and concern for him. Emily maybe full of love, but she doesn't understand Barry either: That he is completely truthful to himself and authentic. She could learn much from Barry. Iranitea, there's only one problem with this: where is the evidence in Emily's posts of some failure of sensitivity, openness, receptivity to Barry? For what you say to be true requires that Emily in a sense suffers from the same failing as Barry does (allegedly, if we are to believe Emily's posts to Barry from yesterday). I am sure Barry himself has never heard himself described like this (or if he has, he has not taken it to heart) else we, we readers who wish to understand Barry with all our might, would have felt the inviolable poise and equability in his posts that must be there for what you say here (about Barry) to be the case. Is there anyone else on FFL (such as yourself?) who fits the description you make about Barry: he is completely truthful to himself and authentic? Because, iranitea, if I understand you, Emily *could* learn much from Barry, but she is *not* learning from Barry. Ergo, Emily is somehow prejudiced or biased against Barry such as to deprive her of what there is in Barry's posts which could edify her. I think, therefore, you need, iranitea, to explain what it is about Emily's posts which demonstrateat least for youhow she is missing out on the wisdom (I must assume wisdom not limited to being imparted only to Emily) that is there inside of Barry's posts for the discerning and humble reader. In other words, *where and how Emily is blocking out what Barryand, I must assume, realitywishes to inculcateor would inculcateby virtue of Barry always being completely truthful to himself and authentic*? Contrary to what you assert here, iranitea, I believe Emily is very anxious to give the most generous and fair reading of Barry that is possible. This, at least, is what I glean from a close reading of her posts. She is as willing and conscientious as any poster on FFL to find the good in everyone. I would wish you to cite a single example of an Emily post where she, quite explicitly, demonstrates the basis of your thesis. She could learn much from Barry: That sentence, iranitea, it does not, when you utter it, associate itself in your heart and mind with a specific and felt particular datum. For it to have a purchase on reality, you must, when you write it, hold within yourself the experience of how it is true inside your experience, and inside your knowledge of both Emily and Barry. Otherwise, it is merely a cliche, or the vaguest generalization. Whereas, if you read both of Emily's posts to Barry, they are very personal, heartfelt, and sincere, and carry inside of them a very real experience of Barryand not just this; even a love for Barry (as Jason has pointed out). That is why, when a disinterested person reads them (Emily's two posts about Barry from yesterday), there is a sense of their truthfulness, for Emily is appealing to Barry from within the desire she has sustained right through to this moment, to do justice to Barry, to understand him, to see him in the best possible light. Emily may be full of love, but she doesn't understand Barry either: That he is completely truthful to himself and authentic. This very well may be true, iranitea; but you have chosen to declare it to be true without possessing within yourself the kind of experiential evidence which would allow the rest of us to wish to be disabused of a notion of Barry which seems to contradict this avowal. Look here, iranitea: Should it be the case (your affirmation about Barry Wright corresponds to the actual truth of the matter: reality would agree with you) that Barry Wright conforms to your description of him, then many more persons than Emily don't understand Barry either. You see, iranitea, *I would really like to find out that what you have said here is true*, but I feel you are being more then parsimonious with adducing the evidence for its plausibility. Would you consider furnishing some proof of your contention that I might join you and become a believer and supporter of Barry Wright? I would dearly love to be converted to your position vis-a-vis Barry Wright, iraniteaassuming for the sake of argument that you are objectively correctbefore I have to die. Now don't misunderstand me: I am constantly looking for evidence which would challenge my assumptions about Barry Wright, but until you wrote what you did this morning, I have not been able to find anything which would implicitly suggest such evidence is extant. However, you have not done what I would want someone to do who contradicted my judgment of Barry: viz. provide corroborating proof. I don't say such proof
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: [...] As I�ve commented numerous times before, Personality disordered people are the bane of email lists. All the societal filters that would prevent such a person from wreaking havoc in person are gone, so consequently they can wreak havoc on the lives of others unabated. On moderated lists, it�s less of an issue. On lightly moderated lists, it can destroy the tenor and tone of the list. Vaj, has it never occurred to you that your own obsession with TM and MMY could be described this way? Come to think of it, MY own obsession with TM and MMY could be described this way... To my mind, the obsession with diagnosing people he doesn't like (along with iranitea and Barry) with personality disorders is far more destructive of the tenor and tone of the list than anything these people do. It's insidious of you to assume (Insidious isn't quite the word you want here.) I do not like Robin because I have formed this opinion. It has more to do with judging what he says. The fact that this came out here on the list, You mean, the fact that you and Barry decided to attack him by claiming he's psychotic. and the way it came out You mean, by your searching the Web for something to use against him, finding something he wrote 30 years ago, and then quoting it without context as if it were evidence of the state of his mental health today. has more to do with the habitual obsessions of certain people here. (Hint, hint) Yes, no hints needed, I already pointed out that you did this in an attempt to revenge yourself on me for having called you out for pulling the same faux-diagnosing stunt back in December (both times when you figured he wasn't around to defend himself). As I've noted, this all says much more about *your* state of mental health (not to mention your integrity) than about his or mine. BTW, you aren't supposed to be reading, or at least responding, to anything I say, remember?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Barry dosen't understand that Emily has true love and concern for him. Emily maybe full of love, but she doesn't understand Barry either: That he is completely truthful to himself and authentic. She could learn much from Barry. Iranitea, there's only one problem with this: where is the evidence in Emily's posts of some failure of sensitivity, openness, receptivity to Barry? Robin, I think there's a hidden assumption in all this that needs to be stated up front, or it throws a monkey wrench into the analysis: that if Barry is, as iranitea claims, completely truthful to himself and authentic, then *what he says* must reflect reality. I'm not sure this is the case. He could well be completely truthful to himself and authentic without necessarily reflecting reality in what he says. Is Emily suggesting that Barry is not being truthful to himself and authentic, or is she suggesting that he is simply undiscerning about reality? We might find no evidence whatsoever in Emily's posts of a failure of sensitivity, openness, and receptivity to Barry, yet still think she is wrong about either suggestion. The further question arises: What, specifically, could Emily learn from Barry? Is iranitea suggesting that she could learn that Barry is completely truthful to himself and authentic? Or is he suggesting that Emily is not completely truthful to herself and authentic but could learn how to be from Barry? Or is he referring to the hidden assumption, that Emily could learn about reality from what Barry says, because what he says reflects reality? The analysis of iranitea's statement would proceed differently, it seems to me, depending on whether one accepts the hidden assumption: that if Barry is completely truthful to himself and authentic, then what he says must reflect reality. For what you say to be true requires that Emily in a sense suffers from the same failing as Barry does (allegedly, if we are to believe Emily's posts to Barry from yesterday). I am sure Barry himself has never heard himself described like this (or if he has, he has not taken it to heart) else we, we readers who wish to understand Barry with all our might, would have felt the inviolable poise and equability in his posts that must be there for what you say here (about Barry) to be the case. Is there anyone else on FFL (such as yourself?) who fits the description you make about Barry: he is completely truthful to himself and authentic? Because, iranitea, if I understand you, Emily *could* learn much from Barry, but she is *not* learning from Barry. Ergo, Emily is somehow prejudiced or biased against Barry such as to deprive her of what there is in Barry's posts which could edify her. I think, therefore, you need, iranitea, to explain what it is about Emily's posts which demonstrateat least for youhow she is missing out on the wisdom (I must assume wisdom not limited to being imparted only to Emily) that is there inside of Barry's posts for the discerning and humble reader. In other words, *where and how Emily is blocking out what Barryand, I must assume, realitywishes to inculcateor would inculcateby virtue of Barry always being completely truthful to himself and authentic*? Contrary to what you assert here, iranitea, I believe Emily is very anxious to give the most generous and fair reading of Barry that is possible. This, at least, is what I glean from a close reading of her posts. She is as willing and conscientious as any poster on FFL to find the good in everyone. I would wish you to cite a single example of an Emily post where she, quite explicitly, demonstrates the basis of your thesis. She could learn much from Barry: That sentence, iranitea, it does not, when you utter it, associate itself in your heart and mind with a specific and felt particular datum. For it to have a purchase on reality, you must, when you write it, hold within yourself the experience of how it is true inside your experience, and inside your knowledge of both Emily and Barry. Otherwise, it is merely a cliche, or the vaguest generalization. Whereas, if you read both of Emily's posts to Barry, they are very personal, heartfelt, and sincere, and carry inside of them a very real experience of Barryand not just this; even a love for Barry (as Jason has pointed out). That is why, when a disinterested person reads them (Emily's two posts about Barry from yesterday), there is a sense of their truthfulness, for Emily is appealing to Barry from within the desire she has sustained right through to this moment, to do justice to Barry, to understand him, to see him in the best possible light. Emily may be full of love, but she doesn't understand Barry
[FairfieldLife] Yffers of little faith (shraddhaa)!
Jesus Walks on the Water 22 Immediately Jesus made the disciples get into the boat and go on ahead of him to the other side, while he dismissed the crowd. 23 After he had dismissed them, he went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. Later that night, he was there alone, 24 and the boat was already a considerable distance from land, buffeted by the waves because the wind was against it. 25 Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. 26 When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. It's a ghost, they said, and cried out in fear. 27 But Jesus immediately said to them: Take courage! It is I. Don't be afraid. 28 Lord, if it's you, Peter replied, tell me to come to you on the water. 29 Come, he said. Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, Lord, save me! 31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. You of little faith, he said, why did you doubt? 32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movie review: Twixt
On 06/14/2012 11:05 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: On 06/14/2012 02:41 PM, turquoiseb wrote: Ahem. There are movies you really don't want to review. This is one. I wanted to like it, the trailer presenting it as being a kind of highly stylistic Francis-Ford-Coppola- does-Stephen-King psychic vampire mystery about a failed writer seeking both inspiration and absolution, with Edgar Allen Poe as his mentor, but I really couldn't. Coming on the heels of The Godfather III, Dracula, and especially Youth Without Youth, I fear that it stands instead as conclusive evidence that Francis Ford Coppola has lost not only his touch, but his marbles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP7cQnOcU7I Hey but it's got your favorite actor... Val Kilmer! :-D Val actually is the best thing in the movie. Consider that. :-) He has a hilarious scene as a writer with writer's block trying to come up the first lines of his new novel. He fails, and winds up drinking himself into a dream- filled stupor, which in my opinion is what's wrong with the movie. Rumor has it that this is what happened to Coppola -- he fell into an alcohol-influenced dream, his subconscious came up with the events of this film, and he decided when he woke up to make them into a movie. Bzzzt. Big mistake. The result is like a script written by Robin Carlsen -- completely subjective, and thus completely indecipherable. You can tell that it must have been a powerful dream *for the dreamer*, but he is unable to convey to the audience anything that made it all feel so mystical and magical and full of meaning and importance to him. Plus, Coppola uses a bunch of visual techniques that make him look like a first-year film student, not the director of the first two Godfather movies. He pretty much flushes his career down the toilet with this film, as far as I'm concerned. I suspect that the only person who will like it is David Lynch, because finally there will be a film that is less coherent than one of his. :-) I look forward to seeing it to form my own opinion. I've been a fan of Coppola's latest works.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: The only way out is through Now there's some wisdom. The thing about TM is that it promises that you don't have to got through as releasing the stress is supposed to be enough to return you to a state of perfect equillibrium. For many people, it is, but they tend to have a real life and not get stuck working for the TMO. Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up to its claims you wouldn't be able to get stuck. Hmmm??? People get stuck in all sorts of situations, TM or no. If you have made a conscious decision not to explore new hobbies, new sports, new educational opportunities, then of course you get stuck, no matter what you are or are not doing. Sadly not the case and it goes some way towards explaining the astonishing amount of dysfunctional people I came across during my time in the TMO, all of whom were convinced they were operating at above average levels due to the fact they were in touch with the home of all the laws of nature and therefore, blah... blah Shame really, all these seekers getting stuck and not realising it. People who want perfection for the sake of perfection (e.g. seeking enlightenment and the perfection that lies therein) tend to be a bit skewed in their own thought processes. It's a variation of the you have control over action alone, never over the fruit thing. Being a bit skewed is the sort of thing one would expect TM to shift, according to the intro lecture. And it isn't what we find. TM seems to wind people tighter in a lot of cases, some sort of admission or study of this would show that MUM take TM research seriously in the sense of studying what it actually does. And I believe it does shift one's overall mental and physical health towards the better and the preliminary results of the research being done at Norwich University definitely support my belief. However, the kind of overwhelmingly dynamic activity that you see in a cadet in a 4 year military academy is at the far edge of healthy activity,, while the kind of thing you (from what I have heard) see sidhas do in Fairfield, is at the other. Mind you, in certain contexts, perfection for perfection's sake is useful. For example, I'm trying to revive my classical guitar technique by developing specific contact juggling techniques that overlap the coordination needed for classical guitar. The fact that these juggling techniques aren't very pretty and probably I will never master them to the point that I can perform them in public, isn't relevant to my purposes. I can sit quietly in a waiting room trying to balance a pool ball on my fingertip(s) without bothering anyone, and still, in a sense, be practicing the guitar. At last I know what people are doing with their pool balls! But again, I'm doing the exercise in the moment, rather than thinking about how I'm going to wow the crowds with a virtually invisible trick, so the search for perfection in this context isn't a big deal, on its own. It's just a preparation for something else... Just like TM and the TM-Sidhis. Poor analogy, I can see how stronger fingers might help guitar playing but for the life of me don't get how it translates to yogic flying? The belief that twitching with your eyes closed might one day turn into flying unaided seem like a stretch to this casual observer. and so,, what if it doesn't? The TM-Sidhis are meant to be a special kind of activity that allows one to be in a pure-consciousness + activity state, where the activity is of a type that tends to draw one away from PC more than normal activity. This trains the nervous system to be more likely to experience turiyatita in normal situations, or so the theory goes. Published research backs up the claim that the TM-Sidhis (not just yogic flying) does create such a situation during practice. I don't know of any research that shows that it promotes PC outside of practice, however. L
[FairfieldLife] Yogananda interviews Ramana Maharshi
1935, through Y's Secretary, C. Richard Wright: http://www.scribd.com/doc/59658814/Paramhansa-Yogananda-and-Richard-Wright-Interview-Ramana-Maharshi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Robin, there is no need for me to answer this 'question', as these are not real questions. You are already prejudiced, and what you say here is not coming from a place of honesty and truthfulness, but rather from an attempt to draw either of us into a discussion, but you are certainly not open. And for Judy it is even worse, she is only out to win another battle,twisting arguments. If you would actually read Barry's posts, you would have got a more spiritual perspective on this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Barry dosen't understand that Emily has true love and concern for him. Emily maybe full of love, but she doesn't understand Barry either: That he is completely truthful to himself and authentic. She could learn much from Barry. Iranitea, there's only one problem with this: where is the evidence in Emily's posts of some failure of sensitivity, openness, receptivity to Barry? For what you say to be true requires that Emily in a sense suffers from the same failing as Barry does (allegedly, if we are to believe Emily's posts to Barry from yesterday). I am sure Barry himself has never heard himself described like this (or if he has, he has not taken it to heart) else we, we readers who wish to understand Barry with all our might, would have felt the inviolable poise and equability in his posts that must be there for what you say here (about Barry) to be the case. Is there anyone else on FFL (such as yourself?) who fits the description you make about Barry: he is completely truthful to himself and authentic? Because, iranitea, if I understand you, Emily *could* learn much from Barry, but she is *not* learning from Barry. Ergo, Emily is somehow prejudiced or biased against Barry such as to deprive her of what there is in Barry's posts which could edify her. I think, therefore, you need, iranitea, to explain what it is about Emily's posts which demonstrateat least for youhow she is missing out on the wisdom (I must assume wisdom not limited to being imparted only to Emily) that is there inside of Barry's posts for the discerning and humble reader. In other words, *where and how Emily is blocking out what Barryand, I must assume, realitywishes to inculcateor would inculcateby virtue of Barry always being completely truthful to himself and authentic*? Contrary to what you assert here, iranitea, I believe Emily is very anxious to give the most generous and fair reading of Barry that is possible. This, at least, is what I glean from a close reading of her posts. She is as willing and conscientious as any poster on FFL to find the good in everyone. I would wish you to cite a single example of an Emily post where she, quite explicitly, demonstrates the basis of your thesis. She could learn much from Barry: That sentence, iranitea, it does not, when you utter it, associate itself in your heart and mind with a specific and felt particular datum. For it to have a purchase on reality, you must, when you write it, hold within yourself the experience of how it is true inside your experience, and inside your knowledge of both Emily and Barry. Otherwise, it is merely a cliche, or the vaguest generalization. Whereas, if you read both of Emily's posts to Barry, they are very personal, heartfelt, and sincere, and carry inside of them a very real experience of Barryand not just this; even a love for Barry (as Jason has pointed out). That is why, when a disinterested person reads them (Emily's two posts about Barry from yesterday), there is a sense of their truthfulness, for Emily is appealing to Barry from within the desire she has sustained right through to this moment, to do justice to Barry, to understand him, to see him in the best possible light. Emily may be full of love, but she doesn't understand Barry either: That he is completely truthful to himself and authentic. This very well may be true, iranitea; but you have chosen to declare it to be true without possessing within yourself the kind of experiential evidence which would allow the rest of us to wish to be disabused of a notion of Barry which seems to contradict this avowal. Look here, iranitea: Should it be the case (your affirmation about Barry Wright corresponds to the actual truth of the matter: reality would agree with you) that Barry Wright conforms to your description of him, then many more persons than Emily don't understand Barry either. You see, iranitea, *I would really like to find out that what you have said here is true*, but I feel you are being more then parsimonious with adducing the evidence for its plausibility. Would you consider furnishing some proof of your contention that I might join you and become a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: [...] As I�ve commented numerous times before, Personality disordered people are the bane of email lists. All the societal filters that would prevent such a person from wreaking havoc in person are gone, so consequently they can wreak havoc on the lives of others unabated. On moderated lists, it�s less of an issue. On lightly moderated lists, it can destroy the tenor and tone of the list. Vaj, has it never occurred to you that your own obsession with TM and MMY could be described this way? Come to think of it, MY own obsession with TM and MMY could be described this way... To my mind, the obsession with diagnosing people he doesn't like (along with iranitea and Barry) with personality disorders is far more destructive of the tenor and tone of the list than anything these people do. It's insidious of you to assume (Insidious isn't quite the word you want here.) Disingenuous! For example, it is disingenuous of you to cut the sentence at this place, if you read only the second half, you get the opposite meaning. I do not like Robin because I have formed this opinion. It has more to do with judging what he says. The fact that this came out here on the list, You mean, the fact that you and Barry decided to attack him by claiming he's psychotic. and the way it came out You mean, by your searching the Web for something to use against him, finding something he wrote 30 years ago, and then quoting it without context as if it were evidence of the state of his mental health today. has more to do with the habitual obsessions of certain people here. (Hint, hint) Yes, no hints needed, I already pointed out that you did this in an attempt to revenge yourself on me for having called you out for pulling the same faux-diagnosing stunt back in December (both times when you figured he wasn't around to defend himself). As I've noted, this all says much more about *your* state of mental health (not to mention your integrity) than about his or mine. BTW, you aren't supposed to be reading, or at least responding, to anything I say, remember?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogananda interviews Ramana Maharshi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: 1935, through Y's Secretary, C. Richard Wright: http://www.scribd.com/doc/59658814/Paramhansa-Yogananda-and-Richard-Wright-Interview-Ramana-Maharshi God, just like the Unified Field. Great quote. -Buck in the Dome PARAMHANSA YOGANANDA MEETS ANDINTERVIEWS RAMANA MAHARSHI November 29 th , 1935 Swami Yogananda, with four others, arrived at 8:45 a.m. He looks big, but gentle andwell groomed. He has dark flowing hair, hanging over his shoulders. The group hadlunch in the Ashram.Mr. C.R. Wright, his secretary, asked: `How shall I realize God?'M. (Ramana Maharshi):'God is an unknown entity. Moreover, He is external. Whereas,the Self is always with you and it is you. Why do you leave out what is intimate and go infor what is external?'D. (Mr. C.R. Wright): `What is this Self again?'M.: `The self is known to every one but not clearly. You always exist. The Be-ing is theSelf. I AM is the name of God. Of all the definitions of god, none is indeed so well putas the Biblical statement. I AM THAT I AM in Exodus (Chap. 3) There are otherstatements such as Brahmaivaham, Aham Brahmasmi and Soham. But none is so directas the name JEHOVAH = I AM. The Absolute Being is what is It is the Self. It is God.Knowing the Self, God is known. In fact, God is none other than the Self.'
[FairfieldLife] Re: I have a complaint!
Im not so sure about that. Having read a few of your posts you seem to be a very smart, interesting, non mean-spirited, reasonable, thinking person. But you could convince me otherwise if you like. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Thus far, I seem to be on the sidelines of this he is worse/she is worse/you are worse, deception/lying/self-deception/etc-wise. Why have you guys apparently left me out? I can deceive/lie/self-decieve/etc with the best of 'em. L (feeling ignored because I'm just not bad enough, apparently)
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jun 09 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Jun 16 00:00:00 2012 550 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jun 15 23:48:20 2012 50 authfriend jst...@panix.com 45 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 39 Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 38 iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com 38 Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com 33 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com 31 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 27 Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us 25 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net 23 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 23 Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com 21 Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com 20 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 20 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 18 sparaig lengli...@cox.net 16 wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com 12 John jr_...@yahoo.com 9 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 8 salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com 8 feste37 fest...@yahoo.com 7 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 4 marekreavis reavisma...@sbcglobal.net 4 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 4 awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 Richard rich...@infinitepie.net 3 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 2 oxcart49 oxcart2...@yahoo.ca 2 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 2 Susan waybac...@yahoo.com 2 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 2 Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 2 Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com 1 jedi_spock jedi_sp...@yahoo.com 1 dan ward hawkeye422...@yahoo.com 1 curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com 1 Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@gmail.com 1 Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com 1 PaliGap compost...@yahoo.co.uk 1 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 1 emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com 1 at_man_and_brah...@sbcglobal.net at_man_and_brah...@sbcglobal.net Posters: 41 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Symmetry
Simple and elegant and powerful. Worth the three minutes it takes to watch it. By Everynone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEQskIsHKT8feature=youtube_gdata_player
[FairfieldLife] Re: sun flares happening, hunker down
Another important reason to be meditating in the Domes. Sounds like a perfect storm of solar flares. Seen the movie. The science would seems to indicate that the Domes' convex shape and the gold covering wards off both M-flares and X. Expect to be meditating doing the long round in the Domes that day. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Big sunspot AR1504 has developed a 'beta-gamma-delta' magnetic field that harbors energy for strong solar flares. NOAA forecasters estimate a 65% chance of M-flares and a 5% chance of X-flares during the next 24 hours. X-flare alerts. INCOMING CMES: On June 14th, for the second day in a row, sunspot AR1504 erupted and hurled a CME toward Earth. The fast-moving (1360 km/s) cloud is expected to sweep up a previous CME and deliver a combined blow to Earth's magnetic field on June 16th around 10:16 UT.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: 'Maharishi's World' by Hemant Kumar A modern worldwide movement spanning 80 countries. This is the world of the modern Maharishi. Satellite dishes and a 24-hour channel, exclusive mind-body centres set in the most beautiful acreage in Europe, mansions and castles where the rich and famous pay daunting sums of money to heal their souls. Hemant Kumar took a tour of the Maharishi's empire and found a fantasyland, where opulence and luxury meet Vedic mantras and Vastu. It's the biggest wooden house in netherlands. not a single metal pin or nail has been driven into the seasoned cedar. Finnish artisans handcrafted wooden pins and rivets to take the place of metallic nails and screws. Famous German architect Ike Hartman pored over reams of original Vastu inscribed in Sthapatya Ved, to design the house. A generous coat of neem oil protects the wood from termite. When the cedar catches the late evening sun, its golden paint simply ignites. And the house glows--like a gigantic ladle overflowing with molten gold. And then, as the sun goes down, up goes the quartet of fountains on the sprawling lawns across the building. Transfixed, I watch the spectacle unfold like a giant slide show. The place is Vlodrop (pronounced Flow-Drop), some 300 km south of Amsterdam. This is where the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi lives and from where he presides over his vast empire girdling the globe and growing ever larger. It's so quiet here you can hear yourself think. I enter the main building and a long, scented corridor lined with slippers. And yet, not a sound. I raise a questioning eyebrow at Atilla, the young Austrian driver who picked me up at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport. Fingers on his lips, he points out my room to me. I unlatch the door, and with a whispered TM time, I must rush too, Atilla disappears down the hallway. My room would put any five-star hotel suite to shame. It's plush, elegant and beautifully decorated. It's part of a huge building, housing more than 500 people, each of them sitting absolutely still, deep in meditation--Transcendental Meditation (TM). At this very moment the man responsible for this modern, mystical nirvana is meditating in his glass-encased veranda. At 85, the Maharishi still meditates six to seven hours daily and works longer than any of his ablest lieutenants can. It is said that no one knows how many hours the Maharishi actually sleeps. He turns in only after midnight and is up again before dawn. In the swinging '60s, when he landed in Europe, the Maharishi encountered a dazed, confused generation. Rebellious youngsters freaking out on the decadent pop culture of the hippies. Marriages wrecking on the bedrock of alcoholism, mistrust and promiscuity. The Beatles and Flower Power. Anti-war demonstrations and the search for an elusive elixir. Inner peace? It was as rare as virginity on Pennsylvania Avenue. At first, they didn't understand what this short,dark man from the Far East was saying to them in his broken English and a deeply eastern accent. But soon enough, they began to trickle in. The trickle changed to a flood. And today, the Maharishi's organisation is a worldwide movement spanning 80 countries. For millions of people in these countries TM twice daily is as essential as brushing their teeth, probably more. The ashram complex is built in a forest clearing. Next to the Maharishi's house is an imposing late-19th-century mansion with more than a 100 large rooms and a labyrinthine network of hallways, gangways and thickly carpeted corridors. It's morning. The Maharishi is listening to Yajur Veda chants on his music system. Outside, the whole place is abuzz with activity. The appetising sound of huge stainless-steel vessels clanging in the kitchen downstairs. The loud chhanngg of rai, hing and curry leaves crackling in pure ghee. Breakfast is being prepared for 500 people and for the Maharishi. A man is snipping white lilies in the sprawling lawn to make a bouquet for the Maharishi. Another pushes a wheelbarrow in the organic vegetable garden, whistling a tune. Indian, European or American, they all greet each other with hands folded and a Jai Guru Dev. This heady cocktail of curry leaves, ghee, Jai Guru Dev, and kurta-pyjama in the heart of white man's Europe would seem ludicrous were it not so genuine and warm and natural in this setting. The greeting 'Jai Guru Dev' is the Maharishi's tribute to his guru, Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath. At the stroke of nine, a young Yajur Veda pandit takes up position in the Brahma Sthaan, the most important place in the Maharishi's house. For the next three hours, he will chant the Veda in its purest form as the Maharishi engages in the activities of the day. This primordial sound has a healing and purifying effect. That is why, mantra
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: [...] As I�ve commented numerous times before, Personality disordered people are the bane of email lists. All the societal filters that would prevent such a person from wreaking havoc in person are gone, so consequently they can wreak havoc on the lives of others unabated. On moderated lists, it�s less of an issue. On lightly moderated lists, it can destroy the tenor and tone of the list. Vaj, has it never occurred to you that your own obsession with TM and MMY could be described this way? Come to think of it, MY own obsession with TM and MMY could be described this way... To my mind, the obsession with diagnosing people he doesn't like (along with iranitea and Barry) with personality disorders is far more destructive of the tenor and tone of the list than anything these people do. It's insidious of you to assume (Insidious isn't quite the word you want here.) Disingenuous! For example, it is disingenuous of you to cut the sentence at this place, if you read only the second half, you get the opposite meaning. Oh, please. It's obvious the two halves go together. It's insidious of you to assume doesn't make any sense by itself. Assume what? Assume that you do not like Robin because... etc. And your second sentence in that second half would contradict the second part of the first sentence if that second part were a sentence by itself, i.e., not linked to the It's disingenuous of you... in the first half. Plus which, I put my interruption in parentheses to make it clear I was breaking into your sentence in the middle to highlight the word you got wrong. Look, it's clear you're trying to distract attention from the fact that you used the wrong word. That's at least understandable, but it's a really feeble attempt to do so. Especially since you didn't respond to anything else in the post. If you're going to be disingenuous, at least try to find a more convincing way to do it. How come you're still reading and responding to my posts after having told Barry he was right when he advised you not to do so? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/311954 Let's repeat the first half here, out of fairness, because now there's so much in between that it might actually be confusing otherwise: It's insidious of you to assume I do not like Robin because I have formed this opinion. It has more to do with judging what he says. The fact that this came out here on the list, You mean, the fact that you and Barry decided to attack him by claiming he's psychotic. and the way it came out You mean, by your searching the Web for something to use against him, finding something he wrote 30 years ago, and then quoting it without context as if it were evidence of the state of his mental health today. has more to do with the habitual obsessions of certain people here. (Hint, hint) Yes, no hints needed, I already pointed out that you did this in an attempt to revenge yourself on me for having called you out for pulling the same faux-diagnosing stunt back in December (both times when you figured he wasn't around to defend himself). As I've noted, this all says much more about *your* state of mental health (not to mention your integrity) than about his or mine. BTW, you aren't supposed to be reading, or at least responding, to anything I say, remember?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate and Radiate, The Golden Dome Program.
I can but perish if I go, I am resolved to try, For if I stay away I know I must forever die. What meditation is this that will take us all home, O glory, hallelujah! And safely land us on the Unified Field's bright shore? O glory, hallelujah! (refrain) 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelu, hallelu; 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelujah! This Meditation landed all who have gone before, O glory, hallelujah! And meditation is able to land still more, O glory, hallelujah! (refrain) 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelu, hallelu; 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelujah! The winds may blow, and the billows may foam, O glory, hallelujah! But this meditation is able to land us all home, O glory, hallelujah! If I arrive there, then, before you do, O glory, hallelujah! I'll tell them all that you are coming up, too. O glory, hallelujah! (refrain) 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelu, hallelu; 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelujah! Om Shanti, Shanti! Om, The Golden Domes yield A thousand sacred sweets Before we reach the heav'nly fields, Or walk the golden streets. (fugue) Then let your songs abound, And ev'ry tear be dry; We're marching through Nature's ground To fairer worlds on high. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Do you have a valid Dome Badge? Apply today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: For our common good we could use a few more good meditators to get the numbers higher even. Come join the group meditation and be of service to all as well as yourself. Come join us, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This call now is to 'Avert the danger before it comes'. The prescription may well come to be conscription. However, avert the danger before it comes and volunteer now, the Group Meditation is daily at 7:30am and 5:00pm in Fairfield. Resolve now to join up. It's a fabulous place to meditate. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Being an old and conservative meditator, the spiritual societal and world indication is getting bad enough that, I think we should institute a draft on meditators for the Dome. Bring up the reserves to steady the ME. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: IMO, the attractiveness of Fairfield is due to its eclectic nature, emphasis on eclectic.  You are a part of that.  You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.  OR, People, like horses, will only do what they have a mind to do. Well the problem is the free-loaders who have no sense of civic virtue. The ones that just sit back. Yep, dang Free-loaders. -Buck in the Dome From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate and Radiate, The Golden Dome Program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: The 'Meissner effect' is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor during its transition to the superconducting state.  The ME. Civic virtue is the cultivation of habits of personal living that are claimed to be important for the success of the community. You know, the Domes are really an extraordinary place to meditate.  It's there in the spiritual experience and so too says the science now.  '..the words safety, honor, closure, sacred stand out.' To me an old guard meditator I find it a complete blight of character in some meditators who would come to live here in Fairfield and not make use of the Domes.  Not contribute.  That people would even quit and then move away certainly gives one
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate and Radiate, The Golden Dome Program.
I'll go to meditate , though my sin Hath like a mountain rose; I know its courts, I'll enter in, Whatever may oppose. I can but perish if I go, I am resolved to try, For if I stay away I know I must forever die. What meditation is this that will take us all home, O glory, hallelujah! And safely land us on the Unified Field's bright shore? O glory, hallelujah! (refrain) 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelu, hallelu; 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelujah! This Meditation landed all who have gone before, O glory, hallelujah! And meditation is able to land still more, O glory, hallelujah! (refrain) 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelu, hallelu; 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelujah! The winds may blow, and the billows may foam, O glory, hallelujah! But this meditation is able to land us all home, O glory, hallelujah! If I arrive there, then, before you do, O glory, hallelujah! I'll tell them all that you are coming up, too. O glory, hallelujah! (refrain) 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelu, hallelu; 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelujah! Om Shanti, Shanti! Om, The Golden Domes yield A thousand sacred sweets Before we reach the heav'nly fields, Or walk the golden streets. (fugue) Then let your songs abound, And ev'ry tear be dry; We're marching through Nature's ground To fairer worlds on high. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Do you have a valid Dome Badge? Apply today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: For our common good we could use a few more good meditators to get the numbers higher even. Come join the group meditation and be of service to all as well as yourself. Come join us, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This call now is to 'Avert the danger before it comes'. The prescription may well come to be conscription. However, avert the danger before it comes and volunteer now, the Group Meditation is daily at 7:30am and 5:00pm in Fairfield. Resolve now to join up. It's a fabulous place to meditate. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Being an old and conservative meditator, the spiritual societal and world indication is getting bad enough that, I think we should institute a draft on meditators for the Dome. Bring up the reserves to steady the ME. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: IMO, the attractiveness of Fairfield is due to its eclectic nature, emphasis on eclectic.  You are a part of that.  You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.  OR, People, like horses, will only do what they have a mind to do. Well the problem is the free-loaders who have no sense of civic virtue. The ones that just sit back. Yep, dang Free-loaders. -Buck in the Dome From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate and Radiate, The Golden Dome Program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: The 'Meissner effect' is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor during its transition to the superconducting state.  The ME. Civic virtue is the cultivation of habits of personal living that are claimed to be important for the success of the community. You know, the Domes are really an extraordinary place to meditate.  It's there in the spiritual experience and so too says the science now.  '..the words safety, honor, closure, sacred stand out.' To me an old guard meditator
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate and Radiate, The Golden Dome Program.
Come, humble sinner, in whose breast A thousand thoughts revolve. Come with your guilt and fear oppressed, And make this last resolve. I'll go to meditate , though my vasana Hath like a mountain rose; I know its courts, I'll enter in, Whatever may oppose. I can but perish if I go, I am resolved to try, For if I stay away I know I must forever die. What meditation is this that will take us all home, O glory, hallelujah! And safely land us on the Unified Field's bright shore? O glory, hallelujah! (refrain) 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelu, hallelu; 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelujah! This Meditation landed all who have gone before, O glory, hallelujah! And meditation is able to land still more, O glory, hallelujah! (refrain) 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelu, hallelu; 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelujah! The winds may blow, and the billows may foam, O glory, hallelujah! But this meditation is able to land us all home, O glory, hallelujah! If I arrive there, then, before you do, O glory, hallelujah! I'll tell them all that you are coming up, too. O glory, hallelujah! (refrain) 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelu, hallelu; 'Tis the Golden Dome Meditation, hallelujah! Om Shanti, Shanti! Om, The Golden Domes yield A thousand sacred sweets Before we reach the heav'nly fields, Or walk the golden streets. (fugue) Then let your songs abound, And ev'ry tear be dry; We're marching through Nature's ground To fairer worlds on high. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Do you have a valid Dome Badge? Apply today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: For our common good we could use a few more good meditators to get the numbers higher even. Come join the group meditation and be of service to all as well as yourself. Come join us, -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This call now is to 'Avert the danger before it comes'. The prescription may well come to be conscription. However, avert the danger before it comes and volunteer now, the Group Meditation is daily at 7:30am and 5:00pm in Fairfield. Resolve now to join up. It's a fabulous place to meditate. -Buck in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Being an old and conservative meditator, the spiritual societal and world indication is getting bad enough that, I think we should institute a draft on meditators for the Dome. Bring up the reserves to steady the ME. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: IMO, the attractiveness of Fairfield is due to its eclectic nature, emphasis on eclectic.  You are a part of that.  You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.  OR, People, like horses, will only do what they have a mind to do. Well the problem is the free-loaders who have no sense of civic virtue. The ones that just sit back. Yep, dang Free-loaders. -Buck in the Dome From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditate and Radiate, The Golden Dome Program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: The 'Meissner effect' is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor during its transition to the superconducting state.  The ME. Civic virtue is the cultivation of habits of personal living that are claimed to be important for the success of the community. You know, the Domes are really an
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Gee, Robin, next time I ask you questions, do you think you could you try to be a little more comprehensive in your responses? ;-) Thank you. Lots to chew on. I don't see anything to argue with right off the bat, but I may come up with a few points later on. Oh, here's a question. You briefly mention experiencing feedback from reality. I'm not sure how many of us try to discern what such feedback might be, or would know it if we received it. We know about feedback from other people to something we say; and we might recognize feedback from reality in terms of a negative or positive result of something we do. But you seem to be referring to more than this, as if it were, perhaps, some kind of signal one might receive through the ether, so to speak, if one were looking for it. When you have the time and the inclination, I'd be interested to hear you discuss this a bit. If I wanted to do this, how would I go about it? I should add, this had been puzzling me when you were here before; I just never took the opportunity to ask you about it. It seems as if it would be a very useful tool that everyone should have and know how to use, yet it doesn't seem to be part of the common wisdom.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: The only way out is through Now there's some wisdom. The thing about TM is that it promises that you don't have to got through as releasing the stress is supposed to be enough to return you to a state of perfect equillibrium. For many people, it is, but they tend to have a real life and not get stuck working for the TMO. Not really the point though is it? If TM lived up to its claims you wouldn't be able to get stuck. Hmmm??? People get stuck in all sorts of situations, TM or no. If you have made a conscious decision not to explore new hobbies, new sports, new educational opportunities, then of course you get stuck, no matter what you are or are not doing. Erm, I meant stuck with mental health problems like anxiety, control freaker, obsessive behaviours, depression, anger management. I've seen all of this a lot in the TMO and in people that have been doing it 20-30 years, when the claim is that TM eradictes stress related problems. And I believe it does shift one's overall mental and physical health towards the better and the preliminary results of the research being done at Norwich University definitely support my belief. However, the kind of overwhelmingly dynamic activity that you see in a cadet in a 4 year military academy is at the far edge of healthy activity,, while the kind of thing you (from what I have heard) see sidhas do in Fairfield, is at the other. Shame the researchers aren't studying some of the long term TMers I've come across. Mind you, in certain contexts, perfection for perfection's sake is useful. For example, I'm trying to revive my classical guitar technique by developing specific contact juggling techniques that overlap the coordination needed for classical guitar. The fact that these juggling techniques aren't very pretty and probably I will never master them to the point that I can perform them in public, isn't relevant to my purposes. I can sit quietly in a waiting room trying to balance a pool ball on my fingertip(s) without bothering anyone, and still, in a sense, be practicing the guitar. At last I know what people are doing with their pool balls! But again, I'm doing the exercise in the moment, rather than thinking about how I'm going to wow the crowds with a virtually invisible trick, so the search for perfection in this context isn't a big deal, on its own. It's just a preparation for something else... Just like TM and the TM-Sidhis. Poor analogy, I can see how stronger fingers might help guitar playing but for the life of me don't get how it translates to yogic flying? The belief that twitching with your eyes closed might one day turn into flying unaided seem like a stretch to this casual observer. and so,, what if it doesn't? You've been had is what. But the TMO train you to rationalise your way round that, you'll probably tell me that the siddhis are designed to speed up the positive effects of TM and not to gain supernormal powers - which is what the word siddhi actually means. The TM-Sidhis are meant to be a special kind of activity that allows one to be in a pure-consciousness + activity state, where the activity is of a type that tends to draw one away from PC more than normal activity. This trains the nervous system to be more likely to experience turiyatita in normal situations, or so the theory goes. Published research backs up the claim that the TM-Sidhis (not just yogic flying) does create such a situation during practice. I don't know of any research that shows that it promotes PC outside of practice, however. :-D L
