[FairfieldLife] The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
It could have been worse, interpreted as pleasure. http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html
[FairfieldLife] Diirghatamas and Yogic Flying, part 1
Rgveda I 158, 6 (RSi: diirghatamas) diirghatamaa maamateyo jujurvaan dashame yugeapaam arthaM yatiinaaM brahmaa bhavati saarathiH. Griffith (1896) 6 DÄ«rghatamas the son of MamatÄ hath come to length of days in the tenth age of human kind.He is the Brahman of the waters as they strive to reach their end and aim: their charioteer is he. Don't read more: Dirghatamas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirghatamas
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diirghatamas and Yogic Flying, part 1
Wiki: Asya Vamasya Hymn [Rco akSare -- card] Dirghatamas is famous for his paradoxical apothegms.[1] His mantras are enigmas: He who knows the father below by what is above, and he who knows the father who is above by what is below is called the poet. The Asya Vamasya (RgVeda 1.164) is one of the sages most famous poems. Early scholars (such as Deussen in his Philosophy of the Upanisads) tried to say that the poems of Dirghatamas were of a later nature because of their content, but this has no linguistic support which has been argued by modern Sanskrit scholars (such as Dr. C. Kunhan Raja in his translation of the Asya Vamasya Hymn). The reason earlier western scholars believed it was of a later origin is because of the monist views found there. They believed that early Vedic religion was pantheistic and a monist view of god evolved later in the Upanisads- but the poems of Dirghtamas (1.164.46) which say there is One Being (Ekam Sat) which is called by many names* proves this idea incorrect. * ekam sad [sic!] vipraa bahudhaa vadanti -- card
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diirghatamas
The Unfied Field Ekam Sat, *there is One Being (Ekam Sat) which is called by many names* Jai Ekam Sat, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: Wiki: Asya Vamasya Hymn [Rco akSare -- card] Dirghatamas is famous for his paradoxical apothegms.[1] His mantras are enigmas: He who knows the father below by what is above, and he who knows the father who is above by what is below is called the poet. The Asya Vamasya (RgVeda 1.164) is one of the sages most famous poems. Early scholars (such as Deussen in his Philosophy of the Upanisads) tried to say that the poems of Dirghatamas were of a later nature because of their content, but this has no linguistic support which has been argued by modern Sanskrit scholars (such as Dr. C. Kunhan Raja in his translation of the Asya Vamasya Hymn). The reason earlier western scholars believed it was of a later origin is because of the monist views found there. They believed that early Vedic religion was pantheistic and a monist view of god evolved later in the Upanisads- but the poems of Dirghtamas (1.164.46) which say there is One Being (Ekam Sat) which is called by many names* proves this idea incorrect. * ekam sad [sic!] vipraa bahudhaa vadanti -- card
[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: It could have been worse, interpreted as pleasure. http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html To explain my thinking here, for those who never became TM teachers or, for that matter, never met Maharishi or got close enough to the TMO to figure out how things worked, here's the connection I see between this research and the way things work in cults. First, the connection to child abuse/spousal abuse: Wow, that wasn't so bad. He only gave me a black eye and broke my wrist. I was expecting him to kill me this time. Guess my life isn't so bad after all. And in cult environments, see if any of these scenarios sound at all familiar: Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting to tell us that the world was on the edge of total destruction, I thought that it really was the end of the world. But then he explained that everything would be all right if I just contributed more money to the pundit project and bounced on my butt twice a day as I'm supposed to. Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting about what it takes to still be considered a TM teacher, I thought it was game over, man, and that I'd be excommunicated and cut off from the Highest Path for the rest of this life, and all subse- quent lives. Whew...all I have to do to still be part of the highest teaching is to give up my job, pay the same amount of money I originally paid to become a TM teacher all over again, and commit to teaching TM full time for the rest of my life. What a relief. Wow, when those folks at the dome told me that I was persona non grata and that they couldn't give me a dome badge because I'd seen Saint Blissananda a few years ago, I thought that was the end of it all for me. But then they explained that if I just publicly repented of my sins and promised never to do anything as stupid as think for myself again I could still be one of the Most Important People On Earth. Whew. Whew. I thought that Maharishi was going to blame US for the state of the world, as he's done so many times before. But thank the gods, it's really the fault of those low-vibe people in Scorpion Nation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists. *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks! To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, don't use up so much energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in fantasies. So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose for each of us. Nicely said, Doc. Thanks Be, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise. But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there is no point? (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be able to experience eternity). Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists. Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, ...[God] hath planted eternity in the hearts of [humankind]... http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of everything continues also. With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, no limitations. How could there be? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Yah. (Carol smiles) What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it...what a long, strange trip it's been... Except it's not all been; it continues on as an is. I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our examination. The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of our anxiety and fear, in facing them. Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less intimidating, than they first appear. Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing I have found is that once the past issues have been faced, they don't go away. Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The previous issue is still seen in its entirety, but without the sting and magnification. As a result, all the intense focus falls away, and we move on to other speed bumps. All the hard sledding eventually results in a much greater sense of presence, individual freedom, evenness, and confidence. How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Great post Doc. I've asked myself many times over How long does *this* take? Why the eff does it keep coming up to haunt me? I've often wished for a don't-give-a-damn switch,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Exorcising Demons from Second-Hand Clothes
One of my favorite dance songs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrElT8XxptU AND an oldie goldie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6k3BEU1aQM One for John and one for Doc (-: From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Exorcising Demons from Second-Hand Clothes No commercials are allowed here. Just a reminder. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: This is an amazing Karmic Koincidence!! I was just surfing the web, and check this out - This miracle product singularly exorcises demons from used clothing, while remaining faithful to the style of communication favored by Pat Robertson: http://www.shoutitout.com/en-US/Stain-Solutions/Pages/tips-and-tricks.aspx --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John wrote: Pat Robertson recommendss it. This is somewhat similar to an idea in jyotish which states that one should not wear clothes used by others. These clothes supposedly would be carrying the karma of those who had previously worn them. http://www.wbtv.com/story/21389163/robertson-encourages-exorcising-demons-from-second-hand-clothing
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!?
for all lovers of celestial music, Libera boys choir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2O5540WjuElist=AL94UKMTqg-9BZzI2jZ5DDP-IbR46elJhV From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!? sorry this is the (w)right trembling waves in the turbulent FFL -sea- link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4It44mYw2I --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15Rc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15Rc Agitated by two winds trembling waves in the turbulent sea and the frightened steersman already awaits to be shipwrecked. By duty and by love this heart is assailed; it cannot resist and seems to give up and begins to despair. Agitata da due venti by Vivaldi Originally written for a Castrato singer --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: dearest I always wish the utmost happiness for you. Including someone who inspires your heart to constancy and an ever present song runnning through your body Rushing to Dome ...and me going to sleep [:D] Stars! (Stelle! e fia ver? ah! dopo tante pene Un momento di pace a me sen viene!) ah! after so many pains A moment of peace in me doth come! And with Cecilia Bartoli we sing Riedi al soglio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU Share60 o mio ..al soglio: irata stella Se ne chiuse a te il sentiero, Pura fede, amor sincero Ti richiama al tuo splendor; Non più affanni in me non sento, Ah felice appieno io sono, Se serbai la vita, il trono All'amato... From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15Rc ay ay ay ay ay Surrounded by my colours (cool blue and FFL threads)  I was posting one day(frankly one night) ay ay ay ay ay Cecilia Bartoli sings high E flat - Riedi al soglio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU BTWmy pure pitta(or pure and pitta) Share be please patient enough to scroll downfor more to come --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rISjBGOtHhs :D Surrounded by my cool blue colours  I was painting one day  when my Muse  came to torment me.   With sadness then I left  my happy task  of celebrating the charms  of the fair FieldL.   My Muse asked me to depict  a more spiritual subject;  but she asked in vain,  for I could not do so.   With sadness then I left  my happy task  of celebrating the charms  of the fair FieldL.   An inconstant heart  may know beauty,  but its cruel destiny  prevents it from singing.   With sadness then I left  my happy task  of celebrating the charms  of the fair FieldL.  What a delightful piece which has been recorded numerous times over the years is this En medio a mis colores or, more commonly called la Canzonetta spagnuola! Narratively speaking the song about a slightly depressed painter accounts his inability to paint a worthy picture of fair Nice-of the fair FieldL(FFL). is a bit of a contrast to the extremely bouncy music style: Actually the torments of the hero are presented in a very simple piece- basically a prolonged crescendo of sound as the artist becoming more and more agitated , consisting of three strophes ending with the same couplet. Of course you could take the whole thing to a whole new level by following precisely the crescendo indications, by actually sped up with each couplet, starting somewhere near a snail's stroll finishing with a dangerously fast -tormenting- allegro. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSI92fHjB-MÂ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!?
The young boy they keep hi-lighting in the video looks like he could be Jackie Evancho's brother, and even has some resemblance. I think he even has a similiar singing voice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: for all lovers of celestial music, Libera boys choir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2O5540WjuElist=AL94UKMTqg-9BZzI2jZ5DDP-\ IbR46elJhV From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!?  sorry  this is the (w)right trembling waves in the turbulent FFL -sea- link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4It44mYw2I --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15Rcà https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15Rcà Agitated by two winds trembling waves in the turbulent sea and the frightened steersman already awaits to be shipwrecked. By duty and by love this heart is assailed; it cannot resist and seems to give up and begins to despair. Agitata da due venti by Vivaldi Originally written for a Castrato singer --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: dearest I always wish the utmost happiness for you.à Including someone who inspires your heart to constancy and an ever present song runnning through your body Rushing to Dome ...and me going to sleep [:D] Stars! (Stelle! e fia ver? ah! dopo tante pene Un momento di pace a me sen viene!) ah! after so many pains A moment of peace in me doth come! And with Cecilia Bartoli we sing Riedi al soglio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU Share60 o mio ..al soglio: irata stella Se ne chiuse a te il sentiero, Pura fede, amor sincero Ti richiama al tuo splendor; Non più affanni in me non sento, Ah felice appieno io sono, Se serbai la vita, il trono All'amato... From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!? à https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15Rcà ay ay ay ay ay Surrounded by my colours (cool blue and FFL threads) à I was posting one day(frankly one night) ay ay ay ay ay Cecilia Bartoli sings high E flat - Riedi al soglio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU BTWmy pure pitta(or pure and pitta) Share be please patient enough to scroll downfor more to come --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rISjBGOtHhs :D Surrounded by my cool blue colours à I was painting one day à when my Muse à came to torment me. à à With sadness then I left à my happy task à of celebrating the charms à of the fair FieldL. à à My Muse asked me to depict à a more spiritual subject; à but she asked in vain, à for I could not do so. à à With sadness then I left à my happy task à of celebrating the charms à of the fair FieldL. à à An inconstant heart à may know beauty, à but its cruel destiny à prevents it from singing. à à With sadness then I left à my happy task à of celebrating the charms à of the fair FieldL. à What a delightful piece which has been recorded numerous times over the years is this En medio a mis colores or, more commonly called la Canzonetta spagnuola!à Narratively speaking the songà about a slightly depressed painter accounts his inability to paint a worthy picture of fair Nice-of the fair FieldL(FFL).à is a bit of a contrast to the extremely bouncy music style: Actually the torments of the hero are presented in a very simple piece- basically a prolonged crescendo of sound as the artistà becoming more and more agitated , consisting of three strophes ending with the same couplet. Of course you could take the whole thing to a whole new level by following precisely the crescendo indications, by actually sped up with each couplet, starting somewhere near a snail's stroll finishing with a dangerously fast -tormenting- allegro. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSI92fHjB-MÃ
[FairfieldLife] Meditation Research Conference Hosted by NY Academy of Sciences by Christine Schrum on February 26, 2013 - See more at: http://www.tm.org/blog/research/meditation-research-conference/
Meditation Research Conference Hosted by NY Academy of Sciences - See more at: http://www.tm.org/blog/research/meditation-research-conference/#sthash.nms5CpXO.dpuf Meditation Research Conference Hosted by NY Academy of Sciences - See more at: http://www.tm.org/blog/research/meditation-research-conference/#sthash.nms5CpXO.dpuf Meditation Research Conference Hosted by NY Academy of Sciences by Christine Schrum on February 26, 2013 - See more at: http://www.tm.org/blog/research/meditation-research-conference/#sthash.nms5CpXO.dpuf http://www.tm.org/blog/research/meditation-research-conference/ Meditation Research Conference Hosted by NY Academy of Sciences by Christine Schrum on February 26, 2013 - See more at: http://www.tm.org/blog/research/meditation-research-conference/#sthash.nms5CpXO.dpuf Meditation Research Conference Hosted by NY Academy of Sciences by Christine Schrum on February 26, 2013 - See more at: http://www.tm.org/blog/research/meditation-research-conference/#sthash.nms5CpXO.dpuf
[FairfieldLife] Meditation Research Conference
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diirghatamas and Yogic Flying, part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: Wiki: Asya Vaamasya Hymn [Rco akSare -- card] Dirghatamas is famous for his paradoxical apothegms.[1] His mantras are enigmas: He who knows the father below by what is above, and he who knows the father who is above by what is below is called the poet. The Asya Vamasya (RgVeda 1.164) is one of the sages most famous poems. Early scholars (such as Deussen in his Philosophy of the Upanisads) tried to say that the poems of Dirghatamas were of a later nature because of their content, but this has no linguistic support which has been argued by modern Sanskrit scholars (such as Dr. C. Kunhan Raja in his translation of the Asya Vamasya Hymn). The reason earlier western scholars believed it was of a later origin is because of the monist views found there. They believed that early Vedic religion was pantheistic and a monist view of god evolved later in the Upanisads- but the poems of Dirghtamas (1.164.46) which say there is One Being (Ekam Sat) which is called by many names* proves this idea incorrect. * ekam sad [sic!] vipraa bahudhaa vadanti -- card 1.164.20 dvaa suparNaa sayujaa sakhaayaa samaanaM vRkSaM pari Sasvajaate |tayoranyaH pippalaM svaadvattyanashnannanyo abhi chaakashIti || 20 Two Birds with fair wings, knit with bonds of friendship, in the same sheltering tree have found a refuge.One of the twain eats the sweet Fig-tree's fruitage; the other eating not regardeth only.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
Nice grounded, non-Woo explanation of this prohibition. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Oh no!! The favorite cafe revealed! insert gratuitous joke regarding writing that stinks... Always an inspiration, Ann! Oh shit, I didn't think of the favorite cafe aspect - too funny. Sometimes when you're surrounded by the intimate smell of yourself you can't help but write about yourself as the center of everything; the essence, the earthy reality of oneself just has to permeate the subject matter. But without getting too scatological here, I might just add that many have surmised the act of plopping oneself down with one's bum poised pertly over a toilet seat was the catalyst for many a great thought or action issuing forth as a result. Now, the audience will have to be the judge of that. We could call it Reminiscences and Remnants From the Water Closet. Perhaps we should suggest an upgrade from his current toilet into something more like the picture below. Or maybe it already looks like this. (Please forgive me Barry, I am just having a little childish fun, I'm not really pooh-poohing you here.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Barry's addled mind has slipped into its alternate reality - conjuring up imaginary characters doing imaginary things. Real life must be so tedious, boring, mundane. The need to constantly create these scenarios of good guys, bad guys, plots and devious manipulations and far-reaching underhanded plans by others is his 'escape'. His creation is a colourful world filled with characters out of novels and spy stories. We will allow him this small escape, this chance to believe his world so much more interesting than it really is. Barry's scenarios read like cheap thrillers but as long as they get him through another long, dreary day then we should be happy to allow him this small indulgence. Another grey Winter dawn. Its cold, and last night was no better than the last hundred, ...dumb bitches Yeah, yeah, yeah, yap you two little needy sausages - you'll get your food, oh fuck here comes the brat! Exit, door closed, lock secured. Ah...What, hon? I'm in the bathroom!! Laptop up: ...For those who NEED an... What?! I'll be out in a bit!! ...argument to feel alive, I guess that if the fact that most of their designated victims don't even bother... YES! A little while longer!! Go see mommy! ...to respond any more doesn't matter to them... ...I know...I can hear *you* too sweetie...be out soon!! ...and they can still declare victory anyway, the details of who they're having these imaginary arguments with don't matter, either. Damn, no paper OK, OK, Unc is coming out now...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Exorcising Demons from Second-Hand Clothes
Dr. Elliot told me that he tended someone who had just had an epileptic fit and then Elliot went to visit Maharishi. He told Maharishi what he'd just done, and Maharishi grabbed a piece of cardboard and started fanning Elliot with it by an open window -- to blow off the stresses he'd gotten onto himself. So ain't no one here wut cans laugh at Pat Robertson. Jes sayin'. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Pat Robertson recommendss it. This is somewhat similar to an idea in jyotish which states that one should not wear clothes used by others. These clothes supposedly would be carrying the karma of those who had previously worn them. http://www.wbtv.com/story/21389163/robertson-encourages-exorcising-demons-from-second-hand-clothing
[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It could have been worse, interpreted as pleasure. http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html To explain my thinking here, for those who never became TM teachers or, for that matter, never met Maharishi or got close enough to the TMO to figure out how things worked, here's the connection I see between this research and the way things work in cults. First, the connection to child abuse/spousal abuse: Wow, that wasn't so bad. He only gave me a black eye and broke my wrist. I was expecting him to kill me this time. Guess my life isn't so bad after all. And in cult environments, see if any of these scenarios sound at all familiar: Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting to tell us that the world was on the edge of total destruction, I thought that it really was the end of the world. But then he explained that everything would be all right if I just contributed more money to the pundit project and bounced on my butt twice a day as I'm supposed to. Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting about what it takes to still be considered a TM teacher, I thought it was game over, man, and that I'd be excommunicated and cut off from the Highest Path for the rest of this life, and all subse- quent lives. Whew...all I have to do to still be part of the highest teaching is to give up my job, pay the same amount of money I originally paid to become a TM teacher all over again, and commit to teaching TM full time for the rest of my life. What a relief. Wow, when those folks at the dome told me that I was persona non grata and that they couldn't give me a dome badge because I'd seen Saint Blissananda a few years ago, I thought that was the end of it all for me. But then they explained that if I just publicly repented of my sins and promised never to do anything as stupid as think for myself again I could still be one of the Most Important People On Earth. Whew. Whew. I thought that Maharishi was going to blame US for the state of the world, as he's done so many times before. But thank the gods, it's really the fault of those low-vibe people in Scorpion Nation. Come ON someone, react please. Barry has just tried to push all the buttons he could find to get somebody to pay attention to him. I'm not interested enough in this subject to react but I have done my part by at least acknowledging his post. Anyone?
[FairfieldLife] Re: History of the Eagles
A couple of people wrote me offline about this, agreeing with my assessment of the Eagles as America's best rock 'n roll band, ever. Thus I'll follow up on my original post to see whether anyone else has different ideas of who the Best American Band Ever might be. I have to hold out for the Eagles, for many reasons. One is their unique sound, that heavenly blending of voices on their classic songs. In the documentary I commented on earlier, there is a great moment in which legendary rock producer Glyn Johns described meeting the Eagles. They came seeking him, because he was considered the best, but he listened to them and came away underwhelmed, telling them he had no interest in producing their records. And he was about to walk out when he heard them improvising around Seven Bridges Road in the studio they were rehearsing in. THAT stopped him in his tracks. See the documentary or listen to the clip below; those harmonies still have that same ability. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-q7Mih69KE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-q7Mih69KE Another reason they were the best was the songwriting. Superb. Top flight, matched only by a handful of other songwriters in history. Don Henley and Glenn Frey were a natural songwriting duo from Day One, and learned a lot from people like Jackson Browne and Joni Mitchell along the way. Many of their songs are as close to Art as rock 'n roll has ever gotten. The third is their very longevity. As is discussed (and recorded in the documentary), rock 'n roll bands are almost *destined* to break up. *Everybody* in a band expects it to break up at any moment, just because of the constant volatility of creative people bumping uglies with each others' egos to create music. And, of course, the Eagles were not immune to this. But they got over it. When they did, in fact, the first song that Glenn and Don wrote together -- the first *day* they got together again after 14 years apart -- was a little ditty called Get Over It: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gek3maVEoLY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gek3maVEoLY Even on the level of financial and popular success, the Eagles rule. If asked, Who released the record album that sold the most copies in history, most people would cite the Beatles, or Elvis. No way, Jose...it was a certain California band. There is a reason the Eagles hold that honor, and it's *all over* this great documentary. So if you have Showtime, or when it comes out on DVD or Bluray, again I highly recommend it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: For those of my generation who were, as I am, total music freaks in our youth, there is a certain nostalgia we share that is associated with remembering the classic bands of that youth. We've certainly seen that here in FFL posters' uber-nostalgic reminisences of the Beatles. Until the Beatles broke up, that is. And yet, if you think about it, there really wasn't a real on-the-scene documentary of the Beatles' breakup. The closest we have is the footage from Let It Be of their last public performance as a band. Segue to America, and to what was arguably the best rock 'n roll band that country has ever produced, the Eagles. I found them early, back when a couple of them were still Linda Ronstadt's backup band. And then I watched them take off as Linda and Jackson Browne and others first covered their songs, and then found their versions dwarfed by the sound of the originals. Let's face it, the Eagles were the quintessential California Band. Try to come up with more iconic songs about that crazy state -- and that crazy state of mind -- than Take It Easy and Hotel California. And then they imploded, and went the way of so many bands before them, breaking up and not even *speaking* to one another for 14 years, saying they'd never get together until hell freezes over. And then, all those years later, getting back together for the Hell Freezes Over tour, and recording the album that celebrates it not after a few months of getting their performing act back together on the road, but on their *first* performance together in 14 years. That's class. The Eagles were one seriously class act, and still are. Oh, if we only had a documentary of what went down when *they* broke up, as so many bands before and after them have done. All the drama both onstage and off, all of the things that led up to it, all of the other musicians they interacted with, and what happened later, everything. We do. There were cameras on the scene -- early on, at the time of the breakup, and later on, up to the present day. And all of it was compiled into a remarkable rockumentary and released recently as a two-part, three-hour special on the Showtime Network. And it's superb. Whether you lived through that era like I did or just followed along while listening to the records, if you've ever loved these guys' songs, don't miss this almost Castanedan recapitulation of where they came
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!?
Steve, you put me to work this morning (-: I have to admit it's still a little strange to hear such a mature voice coming from such a young body. Anyway here is Jackie with Sarah... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qecULT01iE According to wiki, Jackie has a younger brother but there was no mention of his also being a singer. I think in Salve Me the Libera soloist is either Tom Cully or Liam O'Kane. His singing voice probably won't remain similar to Jackie's for much longer. From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!? The young boy they keep hi-lighting in the video looks like he could be Jackie Evancho's brother, and even has some resemblance. I think he even has a similiar singing voice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: for all lovers of celestial music, Libera boys choir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2O5540WjuElist=AL94UKMTqg-9BZzI2jZ5DDP-IbR46elJhV From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!?  sorry  this is the (w)right trembling waves in the turbulent FFL -sea- link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4It44mYw2I --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15Rc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15Rc Agitated by two winds trembling waves in the turbulent sea and the frightened steersman already awaits to be shipwrecked. By duty and by love this heart is assailed; it cannot resist and seems to give up and begins to despair. Agitata da due venti by Vivaldi Originally written for a Castrato singer --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: dearest I always wish the utmost happiness for you. Including someone who inspires your heart to constancy and an ever present song runnning through your body Rushing to Dome ...and me going to sleep [:D] Stars! (Stelle! e fia ver? ah! dopo tante pene Un momento di pace a me sen viene!) ah! after so many pains A moment of peace in me doth come! And with Cecilia Bartoli we sing Riedi al soglio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU Share60 o mio ..al soglio: irata stella Se ne chiuse a te il sentiero, Pura fede, amor sincero Ti richiama al tuo splendor; Non più affanni in me non sento, Ah felice appieno io sono, Se serbai la vita, il trono All'amato... From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15Rc ay ay ay ay ay Surrounded by my colours (cool blue and FFL threads)  I was posting one day(frankly one night) ay ay ay ay ay Cecilia Bartoli sings high E flat - Riedi al soglio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU BTWmy pure pitta(or pure and pitta) Share be please patient enough to scroll downfor more to come --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rISjBGOtHhs :D Surrounded by my cool blue colours  I was painting one day  when my Muse  came to torment me.   With sadness then I left  my happy task  of celebrating the charms  of the fair FieldL.   My Muse asked me to depict  a more spiritual subject;  but she asked in vain,  for I could not do so.   With sadness then I left  my happy task  of celebrating the charms  of the fair FieldL.   An inconstant heart  may know beauty,  but its cruel destiny  prevents it from singing.   With sadness then I left  my happy task  of celebrating the charms  of the fair FieldL.  What a delightful piece which has been recorded numerous times over the years is this En medio a mis colores or, more commonly called la Canzonetta spagnuola! Narratively speaking the song about a slightly depressed painter accounts his inability to paint a worthy picture of fair Nice-of the fair FieldL(FFL). is a bit of a contrast to the extremely bouncy music style: Actually the torments of the hero are presented in a very simple piece- basically a prolonged crescendo of sound as the artist becoming more and more agitated , consisting of three strophes ending with the same couplet. Of course you could take the whole thing to a whole new level by following precisely the crescendo indications, by actually
[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
Its a very weak attempt on his part. The main thing I noticed is that Barry speaks about Maharishi as if he is an immediate threat to Barry, and his sensibilities. Guess no one told this dork that Maharishi passed away *over five years ago*. LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It could have been worse, interpreted as pleasure. http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html To explain my thinking here, for those who never became TM teachers or, for that matter, never met Maharishi or got close enough to the TMO to figure out how things worked, here's the connection I see between this research and the way things work in cults. First, the connection to child abuse/spousal abuse: Wow, that wasn't so bad. He only gave me a black eye and broke my wrist. I was expecting him to kill me this time. Guess my life isn't so bad after all. And in cult environments, see if any of these scenarios sound at all familiar: Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting to tell us that the world was on the edge of total destruction, I thought that it really was the end of the world. But then he explained that everything would be all right if I just contributed more money to the pundit project and bounced on my butt twice a day as I'm supposed to. Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting about what it takes to still be considered a TM teacher, I thought it was game over, man, and that I'd be excommunicated and cut off from the Highest Path for the rest of this life, and all subse- quent lives. Whew...all I have to do to still be part of the highest teaching is to give up my job, pay the same amount of money I originally paid to become a TM teacher all over again, and commit to teaching TM full time for the rest of my life. What a relief. Wow, when those folks at the dome told me that I was persona non grata and that they couldn't give me a dome badge because I'd seen Saint Blissananda a few years ago, I thought that was the end of it all for me. But then they explained that if I just publicly repented of my sins and promised never to do anything as stupid as think for myself again I could still be one of the Most Important People On Earth. Whew. Whew. I thought that Maharishi was going to blame US for the state of the world, as he's done so many times before. But thank the gods, it's really the fault of those low-vibe people in Scorpion Nation. Come ON someone, react please. Barry has just tried to push all the buttons he could find to get somebody to pay attention to him. I'm not interested enough in this subject to react but I have done my part by at least acknowledging his post. Anyone?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
Om, that explains a lot. Nava, You got a lot packed in that post. Makes sense in context why the maha-mantras were not taught in the TM movement and in the end that Maharishi was cooking up some technique around a mechanical device to help activate the subtle bodies en lieu of a teaching using the vibratory of like the Gayatri mantra to activate and tune the subtle system. Makes sense too why the lady saint Karunamayi created such furor in the conservative Brahmins a few years ago for teaching caste-less people the Gayatri Mantra, like even to Women and Westerners. Gads.Thanks also for the comments about why they burned Maharishi in cremation v putting him in the ground or water. So, it is okay to return the body to the elements otherwise too. Lot of Saints also been put in the ground or sent down the river in water. Someone over coffee this morning in Paradiso started to rattle off the list of saints who were put in the ground or the water to return to the elements; Even non-Brahmin saints. Thanks for your insight. Love from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic
[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
OMG I see clearly now clear free of the influence of TMO engrams, state of Cleared Theta Clear [http://i.imgur.com/fSV89.gif] DEAR-CLEAR -ANN Your wish is my command How can I live like this, don't you understand? You know your wish is my command Now my life is in the palm of your hand Memories of better times Seem to be so far behind You took a hold of the reigns I'm left behind to feel the pain Trampled underneath your feet Wandering down an empty street You let me have just a little taste Then slapped the smile right off my face Your wish is my command How can I live like this, don't you understand? You know your wish is my command Now DECISIONS are in the palm of your hand [http://images.jayisgames.com/soniclover_button_screenshot2.gif] OR [:D] [http://www.beyourbrilliantbest.com/push%20red%20button.gif] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It could have been worse, interpreted as pleasure. http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-les\ s-intense-than-expected/52004.html To explain my thinking here, for those who never became TM teachers or, for that matter, never met Maharishi or got close enough to the TMO to figure out how things worked, here's the connection I see between this research and the way things work in cults. First, the connection to child abuse/spousal abuse: Wow, that wasn't so bad. He only gave me a black eye and broke my wrist. I was expecting him to kill me this time. Guess my life isn't so bad after all. And in cult environments, see if any of these scenarios sound at all familiar: Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting to tell us that the world was on the edge of total destruction, I thought that it really was the end of the world. But then he explained that everything would be all right if I just contributed more money to the pundit project and bounced on my butt twice a day as I'm supposed to. Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting about what it takes to still be considered a TM teacher, I thought it was game over, man, and that I'd be excommunicated and cut off from the Highest Path for the rest of this life, and all subse- quent lives. Whew...all I have to do to still be part of the highest teaching is to give up my job, pay the same amount of money I originally paid to become a TM teacher all over again, and commit to teaching TM full time for the rest of my life. What a relief. Wow, when those folks at the dome told me that I was persona non grata and that they couldn't give me a dome badge because I'd seen Saint Blissananda a few years ago, I thought that was the end of it all for me. But then they explained that if I just publicly repented of my sins and promised never to do anything as stupid as think for myself again I could still be one of the Most Important People On Earth. Whew. Whew. I thought that Maharishi was going to blame US for the state of the world, as he's done so many times before. But thank the gods, it's really the fault of those low-vibe people in Scorpion Nation. Come ON someone, react please. Barry has just tried to push all the buttons he could find to get somebody to pay attention to him. I'm not interested enough in this subject to react but I have done my part by at least acknowledging his post. Anyone?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Diirghatamas and Yogic Flying, part 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: Wiki: Asya Vaamasya Hymn [Rco akSare -- card] Dirghatamas is famous for his paradoxical apothegms.[1] His mantras are enigmas: He who knows the father below by what is above, and he who knows the father who is above by what is below is called the poet. The Asya Vamasya (RgVeda 1.164) is one of the sages most famous poems. Early scholars (such as Deussen in his Philosophy of the Upanisads) tried to say that the poems of Dirghatamas were of a later nature because of their content, but this has no linguistic support which has been argued by modern Sanskrit scholars (such as Dr. C. Kunhan Raja in his translation of the Asya Vamasya Hymn). The reason earlier western scholars believed it was of a later origin is because of the monist views found there. They believed that early Vedic religion was pantheistic and a monist view of god evolved later in the Upanisads- but the poems of Dirghtamas (1.164.46) which say there is One Being (Ekam Sat) which is called by many names* proves this idea incorrect. * ekam sad [sic!] vipraa bahudhaa vadanti -- card 1.164.20 dvaa suparNaa sayujaa sakhaayaa samaanaM vRkSaM pari Sasvajaate |tayoranyaH pippalaM svaadvattyanashnannanyo abhi chaakashIti || pada-paaTha, attemp at: dvaa suparNaa sayujaa sakhaayaa samaanam; vRkSam; pari Sasvajaate |tayoH; anyaH pippalam; svaadu; atti (eats, *not* 'ate'); anashnan; anyaH; abhi chaakashIti || 20 Two Birds with fair wings, knit with bonds of friendship, in the same sheltering tree have found a refuge.One of the twain eats the sweet Fig-tree's fruitage; the other eating not regardeth only.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFM5YHVMEZs# http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFM5YHVMEZs# --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Steve, you put me to work this morning (-: I have to admit it's still a little strange to hear such a mature voice coming from such a young body. Anyway here is Jackie with Sarah... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qecULT01iE According to wiki, Jackie has a younger brother but there was no mention of his also being a singer. I think in Salve Me the Libera soloist is either Tom Cully or Liam O'Kane. His singing voice probably won't remain similar to Jackie's for much longer. From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!?  The young boy they keep hi-lighting in the video looks like he could be Jackie Evancho's brother, and even has some resemblance. I think he even has a similiar singing voice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: for all lovers of celestial music, Libera boys choir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2O5540WjuElist=AL94UKMTqg-9BZzI2jZ5DDP-\ IbR46elJhV From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!? àsorry àthis is the (w)right trembling waves in the turbulent FFL -sea- link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4It44mYw2Ià--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15RcÃâ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15RcÃâ Agitated by two winds trembling waves in the turbulent sea and the frightened steersman already awaits to be shipwrecked. By duty and by love this heart is assailed; it cannot resist and seems to give up and begins to despair. Agitata da due venti by Vivaldi Originally written for a Castrato singer --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: dearest I always wish the utmost happiness for you.Ãâ Including someone who inspires your heart to constancy and an ever present song runnning through your body Rushing to Dome ...and me going to sleep [:D] Stars! (Stelle! e fia ver? ah! dopo tante pene Un momento di pace a me sen viene!) ah! after so many pains A moment of peace in me doth come! And with Cecilia Bartoli we sing Riedi al soglio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU Share60 o mio ..al soglio: irata stella Se ne chiuse a te il sentiero, Pura fede, amor sincero Ti richiama al tuo splendor; Non più affanni in me non sento, Ah felice appieno io sono, Se serbai la vita, il trono All'amato... From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!? Ãâ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15RcÃâ ay ay ay ay ay Surrounded by my colours (cool blue and FFL threads) Ãâ I was posting one day(frankly one night) ay ay ay ay ay Cecilia Bartoli sings high E flat - Riedi al soglio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU BTWmy pure pitta(or pure and pitta) Share be please patient enough to scroll downfor more to come --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rISjBGOtHhs :D Surrounded by my cool blue colours Ãâ I was painting one day Ãâ when my Muse Ãâ came to torment me. Ãâ Ãâ With sadness then I left Ãâ my happy task Ãâ of celebrating the charms Ãâ of the fair FieldL. Ãâ Ãâ My Muse asked me to depict Ãâ a more spiritual subject; Ãâ but she asked in vain, Ãâ for I could not do so. Ãâ Ãâ With sadness then I left Ãâ my happy task Ãâ of celebrating the charms Ãâ of the fair FieldL. Ãâ Ãâ An inconstant heart Ãâ may know beauty, Ãâ but its cruel destiny Ãâ prevents it from singing. Ãâ Ãâ With sadness then I left Ãâ my happy task Ãâ of celebrating the charms Ãâ of the fair FieldL. Ãâ What a delightful piece which has been recorded numerous times over the years is this En medio a mis colores or, more commonly called la Canzonetta spagnuola!Ãâ Narratively speaking the songÃâ about a slightly depressed painter accounts his inability to paint a worthy picture of fair Nice-of the fair FieldL(FFL).Ãâ is a bit of a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Exorcising Demons from Second-Hand Clothes
Share, I can't click on your links. It appears that there's an alpha character before the link that's suppressing the blue highlight for the links. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: One of my favorite dance songs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrElT8XxptU AND an oldie goldie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6k3BEU1aQM One for John and one for Doc (-: From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Exorcising Demons from Second-Hand Clothes  No commercials are allowed here. Just a reminder. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: This is an amazing Karmic Koincidence!! I was just surfing the web, and check this out - This miracle product singularly exorcises demons from used clothing, while remaining faithful to the style of communication favored by Pat Robertson: http://www.shoutitout.com/en-US/Stain-Solutions/Pages/tips-and-tricks.aspx --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John wrote: Pat Robertson recommendss it. This is somewhat similar to an idea in jyotish which states that one should not wear clothes used by others. These clothes supposedly would be carrying the karma of those who had previously worn them. http://www.wbtv.com/story/21389163/robertson-encourages-exorcising-demons-from-second-hand-clothing
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!?
I'd like to attribute something goofy like this to not having coffee, but I'm not a coffee drinker. Maybe just rushing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: The young boy they keep hi-lighting in the video looks like he could be Jackie Evancho's brother, and even has some resemblance. I think he even has a similiar singing voice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: for all lovers of celestial music, Libera boys choir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2O5540WjuElist=AL94UKMTqg-9BZzI2jZ5DDP-\ \ IbR46elJhV From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!?  sorry  this is the (w)right trembling waves in the turbulent FFL -sea- link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4It44mYw2I --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15Rcà https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15Rcà Agitated by two winds trembling waves in the turbulent sea and the frightened steersman already awaits to be shipwrecked. By duty and by love this heart is assailed; it cannot resist and seems to give up and begins to despair. Agitata da due venti by Vivaldi Originally written for a Castrato singer --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: dearest I always wish the utmost happiness for you.à Including someone who inspires your heart to constancy and an ever present song runnning through your body Rushing to Dome ...and me going to sleep [:D] Stars! (Stelle! e fia ver? ah! dopo tante pene Un momento di pace a me sen viene!) ah! after so many pains A moment of peace in me doth come! And with Cecilia Bartoli we sing Riedi al soglio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU Share60 o mio ..al soglio: irata stella Se ne chiuse a te il sentiero, Pura fede, amor sincero Ti richiama al tuo splendor; Non più affanni in me non sento, Ah felice appieno io sono, Se serbai la vita, il trono All'amato... From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!? à https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15Rcà ay ay ay ay ay Surrounded by my colours (cool blue and FFL threads) à I was posting one day(frankly one night) ay ay ay ay ay Cecilia Bartoli sings high E flat - Riedi al soglio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU BTWmy pure pitta(or pure and pitta) Share be please patient enough to scroll downfor more to come --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rISjBGOtHhs :D Surrounded by my cool blue colours à I was painting one day à when my Muse à came to torment me. à à With sadness then I left à my happy task à of celebrating the charms à of the fair FieldL. à à My Muse asked me to depict à a more spiritual subject; à but she asked in vain, à for I could not do so. à à With sadness then I left à my happy task à of celebrating the charms à of the fair FieldL. à à An inconstant heart à may know beauty, à but its cruel destiny à prevents it from singing. à à With sadness then I left à my happy task à of celebrating the charms à of the fair FieldL. à What a delightful piece which has been recorded numerous times over the years is this En medio a mis colores or, more commonly called la Canzonetta spagnuola!à Narratively speaking the songà about a slightly depressed painter accounts his inability to paint a worthy picture of fair Nice-of the fair FieldL(FFL).à is a bit of a contrast to the extremely bouncy music style: Actually the torments of the hero are presented in a very simple piece- basically a prolonged crescendo of sound as the artistà becoming more and more agitated , consisting of three strophes ending with the same couplet. Of course you could take the whole thing to a whole new level by following precisely the crescendo indications, by actually sped up with each couplet, starting somewhere near a snail's stroll finishing with a dangerously fast -tormenting- allegro. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSI92fHjB-MÃ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!? to merudanda
dear merudanda we must be realistic. sigh. I am doomed to be forever a philistine about opera. Cecilia and her 3 octave voice are amazing. Somehow she does not move me. I think it is the melodic tone of traditional opera that doesn't resonate for me. OTOH I like the songs in Phantom of the Opera. Perhaps I am simply a silly romantic when it comes to music. It is kapha season now. Perhaps the 2 winds won't be so turbulent. Wishing union for you with your wright one (-: From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15Rc Agitated by two winds trembling waves in the turbulent sea and the frightened steersman already awaits to be shipwrecked. By duty and by love this heart is assailed; it cannot resist and seems to give up and begins to despair. Agitata da due venti by Vivaldi Originally written for a Castrato singer --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: dearest I always wish the utmost happiness for you. Including someone who inspires your heart to constancy and an ever present song runnning through your body Rushing to Dome ...and me going to sleep Stars! (Stelle! e fia ver? ah! dopo tante pene Un momento di pace a me sen viene!) ah! after so many pains A moment of peace in me doth come! And with Cecilia Bartoli we sing Riedi al soglio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU Share60 o mio ..al soglio: irata stella Se ne chiuse a te il sentiero, Pura fede, amor sincero Ti richiama al tuo splendor; Non più affanni in me non sento, Ah felice appieno io sono, Se serbai la vita, il trono All'amato... From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling!?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAK2xF15Rc ay ay ay ay ay Surrounded by my colours (cool blue and FFL threads)  I was posting one day(frankly one night) ay ay ay ay ay Cecilia Bartoli sings high E flat - Riedi al soglio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfj2dvAuRU BTWmy pure pitta(or pure and pitta) Share be please patient enough to scroll downfor more to come --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rISjBGOtHhs :D Surrounded by my cool blue colours  I was painting one day  when my Muse  came to torment me.   With sadness then I left  my happy task  of celebrating the charms  of the fair FieldL.   My Muse asked me to depict  a more spiritual subject;  but she asked in vain,  for I could not do so.   With sadness then I left  my happy task  of celebrating the charms  of the fair FieldL.   An inconstant heart  may know beauty,  but its cruel destiny  prevents it from singing.   With sadness then I left  my happy task  of celebrating the charms  of the fair FieldL.  What a delightful piece which has been recorded numerous times over the years is this En medio a mis colores or, more commonly called la Canzonetta spagnuola! Narratively speaking the song about a slightly depressed painter accounts his inability to paint a worthy picture of fair Nice-of the fair FieldL(FFL). is a bit of a contrast to the extremely bouncy music style: Actually the torments of the hero are presented in a very simple piece- basically a prolonged crescendo of sound as the artist becoming more and more agitated , consisting of three strophes ending with the same couplet. Of course you could take the whole thing to a whole new level by following precisely the crescendo indications, by actually sped up with each couplet, starting somewhere near a snail's stroll finishing with a dangerously fast -tormenting- allegro. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSI92fHjB-MÂ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Exorcising Demons from Second-Hand Clothes
Hmmm, it's ok in your reply. Anyway both on youtube. The first is Shout by Tears for Fears. That's the one for you. The second is Shout Shout by Ernie Maresca, a golden oldie and thus for our golden oldie Doc (-: From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Exorcising Demons from Second-Hand Clothes Share, I can't click on your links. It appears that there's an alpha character before the link that's suppressing the blue highlight for the links. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: One of my favorite dance songs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrElT8XxptU AND an oldie goldie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6k3BEU1aQM One for John and one for Doc (-: From: John To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Exorcising Demons from Second-Hand Clothes  No commercials are allowed here. Just a reminder. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: This is an amazing Karmic Koincidence!! I was just surfing the web, and check this out - This miracle product singularly exorcises demons from used clothing, while remaining faithful to the style of communication favored by Pat Robertson: http://www.shoutitout.com/en-US/Stain-Solutions/Pages/tips-and-tricks.aspx --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John wrote: Pat Robertson recommendss it. This is somewhat similar to an idea in jyotish which states that one should not wear clothes used by others. These clothes supposedly would be carrying the karma of those who had previously worn them. http://www.wbtv.com/story/21389163/robertson-encourages-exorcising-demons-from-second-hand-clothing
[FairfieldLife] Real Examples of Patanjali's Sutras
1. Knowledge of the atom is the result of the sanyama of the Sun. 2. Knowledge of the subparticles of the atom is the result of the sanyama of the Moon. 3. Knowledge of the standard model in physics refers to the sanyama of Dhruva. Strangely enough, an element of Rahu, which is represented by the Large Hadron Collider at CERN, is needed to prove and discover new subparticles, like the Higgs Boson, in physics.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc
Thanks Doc. What you state makes sense to me. Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective. I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how our hearts actually help us make decisions. Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul Pearsall. One of those books is The Heart's Code. Reading the accounts of organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is fascinating. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists. *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks! To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, don't use up so much energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in fantasies. So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose for each of us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise. But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there is no point? (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be able to experience eternity). Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists. Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, ...[God] hath planted eternity in the hearts of [humankind]... http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of everything continues also. With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, no limitations. How could there be? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Yah. (Carol smiles) What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it...what a long, strange trip it's been... Except it's not all been; it continues on as an is. I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our examination. The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of our anxiety and fear, in facing them. Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less intimidating, than they first appear. Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing I have found is that once the past issues have been faced, they don't go away. Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The previous issue is still seen in its entirety, but without the sting and magnification. As a result, all the intense focus falls away, and we move on to other speed bumps. All the hard sledding eventually results
[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Its a very weak attempt on his part. The main thing I noticed is that Barry speaks about Maharishi as if he is an immediate threat to Barry, and his sensibilities. Guess no one told this dork that Maharishi passed away *over five years ago*. LOL Maharishi isn't a threat to the Turq anymore. It's all those TM'ers that don't seem to want to go away that is bugging him. And they are INCREASING. Not to mention all those darned DOMES he sees popping up all over Europe in an alarming number. Just imagine the poor fellow taking a ride in his old battered Peugot 306 in the countryside. It's a torture for him to see all those F* Maharishi Golden DOMES everywhere ! He scares the hell out of PoppinParis at every turn when he imagines seeing another of those F DOMES just at the end of the road. He can relax only when he wakes up and realize it was just a nightmarish vision of how Europe will look like in 2213.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc
Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the Institute of HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the heart overflows sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp intellect must organize something. The book sounds cool too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: Thanks Doc. What you state makes sense to me. Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective. I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how our hearts actually help us make decisions. Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul Pearsall. One of those books is The Heart's Code. Reading the accounts of organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is fascinating. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists. *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks! To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, don't use up so much energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in fantasies. So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose for each of us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise. But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there is no point? (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be able to experience eternity). Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists. Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, ...[God] hath planted eternity in the hearts of [humankind]... http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of everything continues also. With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, no limitations. How could there be? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Yah. (Carol smiles) What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it...what a long, strange trip it's been... Except it's not all been; it continues on as an is. I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our examination. The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of our anxiety and fear, in facing them. Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less intimidating, than they first appear. Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing I have found is that once the past issues
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc
Here's one link to HeartMath. http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html There is a story, of course, as to how I 'chanced' upon HeartMath's work in the early 2000s as I perused the (now obsolete, RIP) bookshelves at Borders intuitively perusing for my next book to read. Take heart! ;) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the Institute of HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the heart overflows sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp intellect must organize something. The book sounds cool too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Thanks Doc. What you state makes sense to me. Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective. I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how our hearts actually help us make decisions. Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul Pearsall. One of those books is The Heart's Code. Reading the accounts of organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is fascinating. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists. *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks! To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, don't use up so much energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in fantasies. So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose for each of us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise. But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there is no point? (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be able to experience eternity). Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists. Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, ...[God] hath planted eternity in the hearts of [humankind]... http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of everything continues also. With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, no limitations. How could there be? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Yah. (Carol smiles) What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it...what a long, strange trip it's been... Except it's not all been; it continues on as an is. I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our examination. The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of our anxiety and fear, in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
I need to find the Primordial Sound tape as I think it has the Gayatri Mantra on it. In ayurveda Om is considered useful to calm vata though Ram is favored. On 02/28/2013 06:30 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
When all the snow starts melting, the kaphaness of kapha season is gonna hit like a ton of bricks. I wonder if there's a sound that's good for all 3 doshas just as there are a few foods that are good for all 3. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? I need to find the Primordial Sound tape as I think it has the Gayatri Mantra on it. In ayurveda Om is considered useful to calm vata though Ram is favored. On 02/28/2013 06:30 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: When all the snow starts melting, the kaphaness of kapha season is gonna hit like a ton of bricks. I wonder if there's a sound that's good for all 3 doshas just as there are a few foods that are good for all 3. I have it on great authority that the sound of gargling is the ticket in terms of the ultimate anti-kapha sound and the food of choice is candy corn but made with molasses not brown sugar. Oh, and in a pinch, spinach with a little malt vinegar and pepper is marvelous for that pesky kaphaness. Happy Spring! From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?  I need to find the Primordial Sound tape as I think it has the Gayatri Mantra on it. In ayurveda Om is considered useful to calm vata though Ram is favored. On 02/28/2013 06:30 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press,
[FairfieldLife] Unintelligent Design
Human Evolution: Gain Came With Painby Ann Gibbons on 16 February 2013. http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2013/02/16/sn-bad-evolution.jpg [sn-bad-evolution.jpg] http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/assets_c/2013/02/sn-bad-evolution\ -thumb-autox600-16223.jpg Ouch. Shin splints are just part of the joy of being human. BOSTONHumans are the most successful primates on the planet, but our bodies wouldn't win many awards for good design. That was the consensus of a panel of anthropologists who described in often-painful (and sometimes personal) detail just how poor a job evolution has done sculpting the human form http://aaas.confex.com/aaas/2013/webprogram/Session5714.html here Friday at the annual meeting of AAAS (which publishes ScienceNOW). Using props and examples from the fossil record, the scientists showed how the very adaptations that have made humans so successfulsuch as upright walking and our big, complex brainshave been the result of constant remodeling of an ancient ape body plan that was originally used for life in the trees. This anatomy isn't what you'd design from scratch, said anthropologist Jeremy DeSilva of Boston University. Evolution works with duct tape and paper clips. Starting with the foot, DeSilva held up a cast with 26 bones and said: You wouldn't design it out of 26 moving parts. Our feet have so many bones because our ape-like ancestors needed flexible feet to grasp branches. But as they moved out of the trees and began walking upright on the ground in the past 5 million years or so, the foot had to become more stable, and bit by bit, the big toe, which was no longer opposable, aligned itself with the other toes and our ancestors developed an arch to work as a shock absorber. The foot was modified to remain rigid, said DeSilva. A lot of BandAids were stuck on these bones. But the bottom line was that our foot still has a lot of room to twist inwards and outwards, and our arches collapse. This results in: ankle sprains, plantar fasciitis, Achilles tendonitis, shin splints, and broken ankles. These are not modern problems, due to stiletto heels; Fossils show broken ankles that have healed as far back as 3 million years ago. A better design for upright walking and running, DeSilva said, would be a foot and ankle like an ostrich. An ostrich's ankle and lower leg bones are fused into a single structure, which puts a kick into their stepand their foot has only two toes that aid in running. Why can't I have a foot like that? asked DeSilva. One reason is that ostriches trace their upright locomotion back 230 million years to the age of dinosaurs, while our ancestors walked upright just 5 million years ago. Turning up the pain threshold a notch, anatomist and paleoanthropologist Bruce Latimer of Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio, limped to the podium, dangling a twisted human backbone as evidence of real pain. If you want one place cobbled together with duct tape and paper clips it's the back, said Latimer, a survivor of back surgery. When humans stood upright, they took a spine that had evolved to be stiff for climbing and moving in trees and rotated it 90 degrees, so it was verticala task Latimer compared to stacking 26 cups and saucers on top of each other (vertebrae and discs) and then, balancing a head on top. But so as not to obstruct the birth canal and to get the torso balanced above our feet, the spine has to curve inwards (lordosis), creating the hollow of our backs. That's why our spines are shaped like an S. All that curving, with the weight of the head and stuff we carry stacked on top, creates pressure that causes back problemsespecially if you play football, do gymnastics, or swim the butterfly stroke. In the United States alone, 700,000 people suffer vertebral fractures per year and back problems are the sixth leading human malady in the world. If you take care of it, your spine will get you through to about 40 or 50, said Latimer. After that, you're on your own. Paleoanthropologist Karen Rosenberg of the University of Delaware, Newark, moved beyond pain. As our bodies had to adapt to upright walking and bigger brains, they had to balance both of those changes with the limitations of the birth canaland allowing enough mothers and babies to survive that the big-brained, upright walking species didn't go extinct. Death in childbirth used to be leading cause of death for women in reproductive years. That's because compared with other primates, humans give birth to babies with larger bodies and brainson average, human babies are 6.1% of their mother's body size compared with chimp babies (3.3%) and gorilla babies (2.7%). Despite the high risks for death and injury in childbirth, our ancestors' solution to the problem was to give birth with social support. Today, humans rely on culture, often in the form of modern medicine, to change that outcome, using assisted birth with doctors or midwives, for example. One sign of that is that is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
You mean the monsoon season? Today in California it was winter overnight, spring in the morning, summer in the afternoon and fall in the evening. :-D I found the tape. I need to digitize it so it's easier to find sections and EQ it better. Om Rama Krisna Hari is for pitta but may also be tridoshic. On 02/28/2013 01:07 PM, Share Long wrote: When all the snow starts melting, the kaphaness of kapha season is gonna hit like a ton of bricks. I wonder if there's a sound that's good for all 3 doshas just as there are a few foods that are good for all 3. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? I need to find the Primordial Sound tape as I think it has the Gayatri Mantra on it. In ayurveda Om is considered useful to calm vata though Ram is favored. On 02/28/2013 06:30 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups:
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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: The Obama And Harry Reid Tax Scam
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The key to overcoming cult thinking
On 02/26/2013 08:37 AM, turquoiseb wrote: It's really fascinating having a break from work and thus catching up on The Master, the new TV series called Cult, and the best of them all, The Following, *all* while reading Fairfield Life and tuning in to another forum still inhabited by diehard Rama freaks. CW Cult just got moved to Friday night because it didn't have enough followers (er ratings). Two episodes and I'm still waiting for things to get started. Maybe next week. I'll see The Master is available tomorrow nearby. Netflix can be dreadful on weekends due to rebuffering caused by too much demand apparently (no one 'cept Netflix knows for sure). The Master is at plenty of kiosks but often only the DVD and I want to see it HD on BluRay.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It could have been worse, interpreted as pleasure. http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html To explain my thinking here, for those who never became TM teachers or, for that matter, never met Maharishi or got close enough to the TMO to figure out how things worked, here's the connection I see between this research and the way things work in cults. First, the connection to child abuse/spousal abuse: Wow, that wasn't so bad. He only gave me a black eye and broke my wrist. I was expecting him to kill me this time. Guess my life isn't so bad after all. And in cult environments, see if any of these scenarios sound at all familiar: Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting to tell us that the world was on the edge of total destruction, I thought that it really was the end of the world. But then he explained that everything would be all right if I just contributed more money to the pundit project and bounced on my butt twice a day as I'm supposed to. Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting about what it takes to still be considered a TM teacher, I thought it was game over, man, and that I'd be excommunicated and cut off from the Highest Path for the rest of this life, and all subse- quent lives. Whew...all I have to do to still be part of the highest teaching is to give up my job, pay the same amount of money I originally paid to become a TM teacher all over again, and commit to teaching TM full time for the rest of my life. What a relief. Wow, when those folks at the dome told me that I was persona non grata and that they couldn't give me a dome badge because I'd seen Saint Blissananda a few years ago, I thought that was the end of it all for me. But then they explained that if I just publicly repented of my sins and promised never to do anything as stupid as think for myself again I could still be one of the Most Important People On Earth. Whew. Whew. I thought that Maharishi was going to blame US for the state of the world, as he's done so many times before. But thank the gods, it's really the fault of those low-vibe people in Scorpion Nation. Come ON someone, react please. Barry has just tried to push all the buttons he could find to get somebody to pay attention to him. I'm not interested enough in this subject to react but I have done my part by at least acknowledging his post. Anyone? Maybe Share can provide Barry an endless list of healers so he can spend the rest of his life trying to heal the tremendous trauma inflicted on him by the TMO, all those decades ago. Such a burden carrying that around, crying out in pain on any Internet forum where people will listen. Let the healing begin!
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc
I'd enjoy hearing that if you care to share it. I flashed through the link to HeartMath, and there is some great stuff in there, will return for a larger meal later - liked the change in perspective, from the traditional approach, brain impulses influencing the heart, to the heart's influence, comprehensively affecting even our immediate environment. Also liked the charts comparing different emotional states with micro changes in heart voltage and regularity. I have a slow pulse - normal resting pulse is about 50 bpm, and has gone down slowly over the years. Hope that you recover quickly and completely from your surgery, and they are giving you lots of pain medication. I am always a baby when it comes to post operative pain (especially dental), and make sure I get strong meds. I don't have any carpal tunnel symptoms, possibly because I never learned to touch type - Thank God computers were invented! I've hunted and pecked my way through an entire career, focused on writing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: Here's one link to HeartMath. http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html There is a story, of course, as to how I 'chanced' upon HeartMath's work in the early 2000s as I perused the (now obsolete, RIP) bookshelves at Borders intuitively perusing for my next book to read. Take heart! ;) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the Institute of HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the heart overflows sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp intellect must organize something. The book sounds cool too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Thanks Doc. What you state makes sense to me. Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective. I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how our hearts actually help us make decisions. Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul Pearsall. One of those books is The Heart's Code. Reading the accounts of organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is fascinating. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists. *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks! To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, don't use up so much energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in fantasies. So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose for each of us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise. But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there is no point? (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be able to experience eternity). Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists. Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, ...[God] hath planted eternity in the hearts of [humankind]... http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of everything continues also. With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, no limitations. How could there be? --- In
[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNjH23ucIE4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It could have been worse, interpreted as pleasure. http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html To explain my thinking here, for those who never became TM teachers or, for that matter, never met Maharishi or got close enough to the TMO to figure out how things worked, here's the connection I see between this research and the way things work in cults. First, the connection to child abuse/spousal abuse: Wow, that wasn't so bad. He only gave me a black eye and broke my wrist. I was expecting him to kill me this time. Guess my life isn't so bad after all. And in cult environments, see if any of these scenarios sound at all familiar: Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting to tell us that the world was on the edge of total destruction, I thought that it really was the end of the world. But then he explained that everything would be all right if I just contributed more money to the pundit project and bounced on my butt twice a day as I'm supposed to. Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting about what it takes to still be considered a TM teacher, I thought it was game over, man, and that I'd be excommunicated and cut off from the Highest Path for the rest of this life, and all subse- quent lives. Whew...all I have to do to still be part of the highest teaching is to give up my job, pay the same amount of money I originally paid to become a TM teacher all over again, and commit to teaching TM full time for the rest of my life. What a relief. Wow, when those folks at the dome told me that I was persona non grata and that they couldn't give me a dome badge because I'd seen Saint Blissananda a few years ago, I thought that was the end of it all for me. But then they explained that if I just publicly repented of my sins and promised never to do anything as stupid as think for myself again I could still be one of the Most Important People On Earth. Whew. Whew. I thought that Maharishi was going to blame US for the state of the world, as he's done so many times before. But thank the gods, it's really the fault of those low-vibe people in Scorpion Nation. Come ON someone, react please. Barry has just tried to push all the buttons he could find to get somebody to pay attention to him. I'm not interested enough in this subject to react but I have done my part by at least acknowledging his post. Anyone? Maybe Share can provide Barry an endless list of healers so he can spend the rest of his life trying to heal the tremendous trauma inflicted on him by the TMO, all those decades ago. Such a burden carrying that around, crying out in pain on any Internet forum where people will listen. Let the healing begin!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: snip The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. Real Samadhi? By being buried. How does that work exactly? The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press, 1970 Read more: Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 6, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh Other titles of interst: 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' by Mircea Eliade Princeton University Press; 2004 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, Philosophy and Practice' by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur Hohm Press, 2001
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted
On the c0ntrary, I think it would be a good place to experience PeeC --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Oh no!! The favorite cafe revealed! insert gratuitous joke regarding writing that stinks... Always an inspiration, Ann! Oh shit, I didn't think of the favorite cafe aspect - too funny. Sometimes when you're surrounded by the intimate smell of yourself you can't help but write about yourself as the center of everything; the essence, the earthy reality of oneself just has to permeate the subject matter. But without getting too scatological here, I might just add that many have surmised the act of plopping oneself down with one's bum poised pertly over a toilet seat was the catalyst for many a great thought or action issuing forth as a result. Now, the audience will have to be the judge of that. We could call it Reminiscences and Remnants From the Water Closet. Perhaps we should suggest an upgrade from his current toilet into something more like the picture below. Or maybe it already looks like this. (Please forgive me Barry, I am just having a little childish fun, I'm not really pooh-poohing you here.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Barry's addled mind has slipped into its alternate reality - conjuring up imaginary characters doing imaginary things. Real life must be so tedious, boring, mundane. The need to constantly create these scenarios of good guys, bad guys, plots and devious manipulations and far-reaching underhanded plans by others is his 'escape'. His creation is a colourful world filled with characters out of novels and spy stories. We will allow him this small escape, this chance to believe his world so much more interesting than it really is. Barry's scenarios read like cheap thrillers but as long as they get him through another long, dreary day then we should be happy to allow him this small indulgence. Another grey Winter dawn. Its cold, and last night was no better than the last hundred, ...dumb bitches Yeah, yeah, yeah, yap you two little needy sausages - you'll get your food, oh fuck here comes the brat! Exit, door closed, lock secured. Ah...What, hon? I'm in the bathroom!! Laptop up: ...For those who NEED an... What?! I'll be out in a bit!! ...argument to feel alive, I guess that if the fact that most of their designated victims don't even bother... YES! A little while longer!! Go see mommy! ...to respond any more doesn't matter to them... ...I know...I can hear *you* too sweetie...be out soon!! ...and they can still declare victory anyway, the details of who they're having these imaginary arguments with don't matter, either. Damn, no paper OK, OK, Unc is coming out now...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
I remember back in the early 80's when I used to wear a coat and tie to work, and nice leather shoes, I used to get a shoe shine at a dry cleaner place, where they also did alterations. I was up on the little bench getting a shoe shine when the fellow working at the sewing machine right in front of me had an epileptic fit. It was a strange site to behold, and it sort of felt like it was happening in slow motion. It saddened me that on subsequent visits he was no longer there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It could have been worse, interpreted as pleasure. http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-les\ s-intense-than-expected/52004.html To explain my thinking here, for those who never became TM teachers or, for that matter, never met Maharishi or got close enough to the TMO to figure out how things worked, here's the connection I see between this research and the way things work in cults. First, the connection to child abuse/spousal abuse: Wow, that wasn't so bad. He only gave me a black eye and broke my wrist. I was expecting him to kill me this time. Guess my life isn't so bad after all. And in cult environments, see if any of these scenarios sound at all familiar: Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting to tell us that the world was on the edge of total destruction, I thought that it really was the end of the world. But then he explained that everything would be all right if I just contributed more money to the pundit project and bounced on my butt twice a day as I'm supposed to. Wow, when Maharishi called that meeting about what it takes to still be considered a TM teacher, I thought it was game over, man, and that I'd be excommunicated and cut off from the Highest Path for the rest of this life, and all subse- quent lives. Whew...all I have to do to still be part of the highest teaching is to give up my job, pay the same amount of money I originally paid to become a TM teacher all over again, and commit to teaching TM full time for the rest of my life. What a relief. Wow, when those folks at the dome told me that I was persona non grata and that they couldn't give me a dome badge because I'd seen Saint Blissananda a few years ago, I thought that was the end of it all for me. But then they explained that if I just publicly repented of my sins and promised never to do anything as stupid as think for myself again I could still be one of the Most Important People On Earth. Whew. Whew. I thought that Maharishi was going to blame US for the state of the world, as he's done so many times before. But thank the gods, it's really the fault of those low-vibe people in Scorpion Nation. Come ON someone, react please. Barry has just tried to push all the buttons he could find to get somebody to pay attention to him. I'm not interested enough in this subject to react but I have done my part by at least acknowledging his post. Anyone?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
You are funny Ann. Thanks for making me smile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: When all the snow starts melting, the kaphaness of kapha season is gonna hit like a ton of bricks. I wonder if there's a sound that's good for all 3 doshas just as there are a few foods that are good for all 3. I have it on great authority that the sound of gargling is the ticket in terms of the ultimate anti-kapha sound and the food of choice is candy corn but made with molasses not brown sugar. Oh, and in a pinch, spinach with a little malt vinegar and pepper is marvelous for that pesky kaphaness. Happy Spring! From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?  I need to find the Primordial Sound tape as I think it has the Gayatri Mantra on it. In ayurveda Om is considered useful to calm vata though Ram is favored. On 02/28/2013 06:30 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much of anything else. Best Regards from Fairfield, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: navashok: Where does the TM technique come from? From India and the Vedas? LoL! According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European people, Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality (102). I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. Work cited: 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' by Mircea
[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: Maybe Share can provide Barry an endless list of healers so he can spend the rest of his life trying to heal the tremendous trauma inflicted on him by the TMO, all those decades ago. Such a burden carrying that around, crying out in pain on any Internet forum where people will listen. Let the healing begin! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La70eV1mTe0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La70eV1mTe0
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: You are funny Ann. Thanks for making me smile. And thanks for taking this the 'right' way. I really do like to play around and, even more than that, I like it when people don't take me too seriously. I sort of wonder if Share didn't think I was being negative but we all have to have a laugh at each other and at ourselves once in a while - don't we? I mean, I laugh at myself all the time and I definitely laugh at others. The whole human condition, if you don't chuckle at it once in a while, is positively cringe-worthy or at least worth a tear or two. But you really do have a lot of heart even if you run a little too often for that suit of armour of yours when you're playing knight. Still, there are far worse faults plus, I see I'm growing on you! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: When all the snow starts melting, the kaphaness of kapha season is gonna hit like a ton of bricks. I wonder if there's a sound that's good for all 3 doshas just as there are a few foods that are good for all 3. I have it on great authority that the sound of gargling is the ticket in terms of the ultimate anti-kapha sound and the food of choice is candy corn but made with molasses not brown sugar. Oh, and in a pinch, spinach with a little malt vinegar and pepper is marvelous for that pesky kaphaness. Happy Spring! From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition?  I need to find the Primordial Sound tape as I think it has the Gayatri Mantra on it. In ayurveda Om is considered useful to calm vata though Ram is favored. On 02/28/2013 06:30 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and advocate it. There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though supportive of the movement did not allow. The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. Dear Nava, Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge has saved India from `Om. I have been lectured several times on this very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone else going back use Om to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the distribution of sages on mantras. I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of
[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Maybe Share can provide Barry an endless list of healers so he can spend the rest of his life trying to heal the tremendous trauma inflicted on him by the TMO, all those decades ago. Such a burden carrying that around, crying out in pain on any Internet forum where people will listen. Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear! Let the healing begin!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: It could have been worse, interpreted as pleasure. Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear! http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It could have been worse, interpreted as pleasure. Towards thee I row, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear! Do you presume to criticize the Great Oz? Om, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/02/27/pain-can-turn-to-pleasure-if-less-intense-than-expected/52004.html
[FairfieldLife] First Photo of Alien Planet
This is great science and engineering work. The next feat should be to see the cloud tops of these alien planets. http://news.yahoo.com/1st-photo-alien-planet-forming-snapped-telescope-153016924.html
