[FairfieldLife] Gluten free diet and siddhis!

[card]

Highly recommend most of us to try gluten free diet
at least for a couple of days! (No wheat, rye or, 
Lawd have mercy, barley!?)

It's way weird but after I've been on that diet
for a couple of weeks now, also the "other" saMyama-s
(not just YF) seem to have some effect, or stuff!

Well, mainly that's prolly due to my being able
to concentrate ("do" dhaaraNaa*) better, because
the constant irritation of my lungs has diminished,
I'd say at least by 90 percent!


*saMyamaH = dhaaraNaa "+" dhyaanam "+" samaadhiH

(trayam [(those) three] ekatra: saMyamaH)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion: Barry, the living embodiment of the small self

[doctordumbass]

Yep, there was no attempt on my part to do anything more than provide a 
detailed description of what I see. I agree with you that hope springs eternal, 
with anybody, though that wasn't really the message I wanted to convey. 

This is more the flip side; actions have consequences. There is an identity, a 
personality, an inertia, a signature that builds up with each of us over time, 
and although we always have the theoretical ability to change, at any time, 
creating a strong momentum in one persistent direction, will hinder our actual 
choices.

Nor is it my intent to effect any kind of change by that post. That post 
doesn't have any expectation in it, at all, nor do I. It just sort of stands 
there, by itself.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > The thing is, Barry, is you don't have to like the fact that I am 
> > enlightened (established in silence). It doesn't make a whit of difference 
> > to either of us. You don't have to like the fact that I see you, the really 
> > crappy human being that you are covered with.
> >  
> > I use the word "crappy" to describe you, because the most enjoyment I see 
> > you get out of life is making sure others see the world through 
> > crap-colored glasses, as you do, sometimes tricking them, as you did with 
> > Buck, for example. Buck has an interesting way of expressing himself, but 
> > nothing called for you to set him up with the quote, the way you did, 
> > remember? Except that it fits your agenda – According to Barry, the world 
> > is a crappy place.
> > 
> > This, then, feeds the other side of you, your hideous insecurity. When not 
> > engaged in telling the world how crappy everything is, you are spinning 
> > heroic tales about yourself. In other words, displaying the sheep-like, 
> > predictable behavior, of one enslaved by the small self.  On the one hand, 
> > you are constantly putting and pushing down others, the crappy world, as 
> > you incessantly describe it. On the other, you are constantly elevating 
> > yourself publicly, in your stories, in your context, in every way you can; 
> > the very definition of the small self in action, erecting a phallus to 
> > itself.
> > 
> > This is because you have no non-attachment, TB. You spin your mind with 
> > coffee, dull it with alcohol, distract it with movies, and occasionally 
> > take it for a dance with other things. But the one thing you cannot, for 
> > the life of you, do, is find any silence in there. Sure, like anyone else 
> > in your circumstances, you can sit quietly in a room or garden, mentally 
> > masturbating about the quiet, your fantasies, and how you will describe 
> > them later on. But, again, even the peaceful surroundings bring your mind 
> > no quiet, within itself.
> > 
> > You have wasted your time with your so called spiritual pursuits. None of 
> > them have conditioned your mind, beyond the coarseness it frequently 
> > displays. None of them have conditioned your heart, to love yourself, and 
> > perhaps extend that to others.
> > 
> > So, you remain in crap consciousness, flinging poo, from your hole in the 
> > ground, trying to drag the rest of us down to your level -- perversely 
> > gleeful, when you nearly succeed. I'll just repeat what I said initially; 
> > you don't have to like the fact that I am enlightened. It doesn't make a 
> > whit of difference to either of us. You don't have to like the fact that I 
> > see you, Barry. That doesn't matter either, because this isn't at all about 
> > me.
> >  
> > Congratulations, it is all about you.
> 
> This is an interesting post for a number of reasons. I found it very 
> readable. This is because, although it was hard hitting, it also felt, on 
> some levels, true. When a sense of truth comes through it fails to be cruel, 
> it fails to be petty. I don't want what you said to necessarily be true 
> because I actually have no agenda against Barry and some of your analysis is 
> quite damning. I am ready, at any moment, to let the sunnier, the more 
> positive life-supporting side of him (if there is one) into my awareness. 
> There have been small glimpses but it always seems to give way to an uglier, 
> meaner side.
> 
> I don't really 'get' Barry. I don't really make it my mission to do so. But I 
> do find myself responding instinctually to many of his more negative 
> postings. Not because I like to beat up on people. It is because I simply 
> can't sit by and watch when there are blatant lies being told or gratuitous 
> violence being done to other posters who don't appear to deserve it. 
> 
> But Doc, I have to give you credit for your post here. It does not come 
> across as negative which is miraculous given what you had to say. Today Judy 
> also hit some real nails on the head as well with regard to BW. Her posts 
> also read true and clear and they resounded/rang clearly.  
> 
> Anyhow, welcome back for the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion: Barry, the living embodiment of the small self

[doctordumbass]

Great song! carpe diem and all that.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > The thing is, Barry, is you don't have to like the fact that I am 
> > enlightened (established in silence). It doesn't make a whit of difference 
> > to either of us. You don't have to like the fact that I see you, the really 
> > crappy human being that you are covered with.
> >  
> > I use the word "crappy" to describe you, because the most enjoyment I see 
> > you get out of life is making sure others see the world through 
> > crap-colored glasses, as you do, sometimes tricking them, as you did with 
> > Buck, for example. Buck has an interesting way of expressing himself, but 
> > nothing called for you to set him up with the quote, the way you did, 
> > remember? Except that it fits your agenda – According to Barry, the world 
> > is a crappy place.
> > 
> > This, then, feeds the other side of you, your hideous insecurity. When not 
> > engaged in telling the world how crappy everything is, you are spinning 
> > heroic tales about yourself. In other words, displaying the sheep-like, 
> > predictable behavior, of one enslaved by the small self.  On the one hand, 
> > you are constantly putting and pushing down others, the crappy world, as 
> > you incessantly describe it. On the other, you are constantly elevating 
> > yourself publicly, in your stories, in your context, in every way you can; 
> > the very definition of the small self in action, erecting a phallus to 
> > itself.
> > 
> > This is because you have no non-attachment, TB. You spin your mind with 
> > coffee, dull it with alcohol, distract it with movies, and occasionally 
> > take it for a dance with other things. But the one thing you cannot, for 
> > the life of you, do, is find any silence in there. Sure, like anyone else 
> > in your circumstances, you can sit quietly in a room or garden, mentally 
> > masturbating about the quiet, your fantasies, and how you will describe 
> > them later on. But, again, even the peaceful surroundings bring your mind 
> > no quiet, within itself.
> > 
> > You have wasted your time with your so called spiritual pursuits. None of 
> > them have conditioned your mind, beyond the coarseness it frequently 
> > displays. None of them have conditioned your heart, to love yourself, and 
> > perhaps extend that to others.
> > 
> > So, you remain in crap consciousness, flinging poo, from your hole in the 
> > ground, trying to drag the rest of us down to your level -- perversely 
> > gleeful, when you nearly succeed. I'll just repeat what I said initially; 
> > you don't have to like the fact that I am enlightened. It doesn't make a 
> > whit of difference to either of us. You don't have to like the fact that I 
> > see you, Barry. That doesn't matter either, because this isn't at all about 
> > me.
> >  
> > Congratulations, it is all about you.
> >
> 
> Life is short, short, brother,
> (Ain't it the truth!)
> And there is no other,
> (Ain't it the truth!)
> You got to rock that rainbow
> While you still got your youth,
> Ain't it the solid truth!
> 
> Was a guy called Adam,
> (Ain't it the truth!)
> He said: "Look here, madam..."
> (Ain't it the truth!)
> "You got to bite that apple
> While you still got your tooth."
> Ain't it the mellow truth!
> 
> Lord gave you wine and gin
> To drown your troubles in,
> What's all this talk of sin?
> Rise and shine
> And fall in line.
> 
> Get that new religion
> (Ain't it the truth!)
> 'Fore you is dead pigeon
> (Ain't it the truth!)
> 'Cause when you layin' horizontal
> In that telephone booth,
> There'll be no breathin' spell,
> That's only naturell,
> Ain't it the gos-a-pel truth!
> 
> Refrain 2
> 
> Life is short, short, brother,
> (Ain't it the truth!)
> And there is no other,
> (Ain't it the truth!)
> So if you don't love livin'
> Then you're slightly uncouth,
> Ain't it the visible truth!
> 
> Said that gal DuBarry,
> (Ain't it the truth!)
> "Love is cash and carry."
> (Ain't it the truth!)
> "You got to shake it down
> Or stir it up with vermouth."
> Ain't it the dignified truth!
> 
> Life is a ripplin' brook,
> Man is a fish to cook,
> You got to bait your hook,
> Rise and shine
> And cast your line.
> 
> Got to get your possum
> (Ain't it the truth!)
> While you still in blossom
> (Ain't it the truth!)
> That went for Delilah,
> Cleopatra and Ruth:
> Them babes did mighty swell,
> They rang that Jeze-bell,
> Ain't it the gos-a-pel truth!
> It's the truth,
> The truth,
> It's the solid mellow truth!
> 
> "Ain't It the Truth by Lena Horne"
> http://youtu.be/EMSyXuvNpeM
>

[FairfieldLife] Classical Music from San Francisco

[John]

This is the station and you can listen to the music on-line.  It sounds better 
if you have a good earphone or speakers.  Hope you like it.

http://www.kdfc.com/pages/15744898.php

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion: Barry, the living embodiment of the small self

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> The thing is, Barry, is you don't have to like the fact that I am enlightened 
> (established in silence). It doesn't make a whit of difference to either of 
> us. You don't have to like the fact that I see you, the really crappy human 
> being that you are covered with.
>  
> I use the word "crappy" to describe you, because the most enjoyment I see you 
> get out of life is making sure others see the world through crap-colored 
> glasses, as you do, sometimes tricking them, as you did with Buck, for 
> example. Buck has an interesting way of expressing himself, but nothing 
> called for you to set him up with the quote, the way you did, remember? 
> Except that it fits your agenda – According to Barry, the world is a crappy 
> place.
> 
> This, then, feeds the other side of you, your hideous insecurity. When not 
> engaged in telling the world how crappy everything is, you are spinning 
> heroic tales about yourself. In other words, displaying the sheep-like, 
> predictable behavior, of one enslaved by the small self.  On the one hand, 
> you are constantly putting and pushing down others, the crappy world, as you 
> incessantly describe it. On the other, you are constantly elevating yourself 
> publicly, in your stories, in your context, in every way you can; the very 
> definition of the small self in action, erecting a phallus to itself.
> 
> This is because you have no non-attachment, TB. You spin your mind with 
> coffee, dull it with alcohol, distract it with movies, and occasionally take 
> it for a dance with other things. But the one thing you cannot, for the life 
> of you, do, is find any silence in there. Sure, like anyone else in your 
> circumstances, you can sit quietly in a room or garden, mentally masturbating 
> about the quiet, your fantasies, and how you will describe them later on. 
> But, again, even the peaceful surroundings bring your mind no quiet, within 
> itself.
> 
> You have wasted your time with your so called spiritual pursuits. None of 
> them have conditioned your mind, beyond the coarseness it frequently 
> displays. None of them have conditioned your heart, to love yourself, and 
> perhaps extend that to others.
> 
> So, you remain in crap consciousness, flinging poo, from your hole in the 
> ground, trying to drag the rest of us down to your level -- perversely 
> gleeful, when you nearly succeed. I'll just repeat what I said initially; you 
> don't have to like the fact that I am enlightened. It doesn't make a whit of 
> difference to either of us. You don't have to like the fact that I see you, 
> Barry. That doesn't matter either, because this isn't at all about me.
>  
> Congratulations, it is all about you.
>

Life is short, short, brother,
(Ain't it the truth!)
And there is no other,
(Ain't it the truth!)
You got to rock that rainbow
While you still got your youth,
Ain't it the solid truth!

Was a guy called Adam,
(Ain't it the truth!)
He said: "Look here, madam..."
(Ain't it the truth!)
"You got to bite that apple
While you still got your tooth."
Ain't it the mellow truth!

Lord gave you wine and gin
To drown your troubles in,
What's all this talk of sin?
Rise and shine
And fall in line.

Get that new religion
(Ain't it the truth!)
'Fore you is dead pigeon
(Ain't it the truth!)
'Cause when you layin' horizontal
In that telephone booth,
There'll be no breathin' spell,
That's only naturell,
Ain't it the gos-a-pel truth!

Refrain 2

Life is short, short, brother,
(Ain't it the truth!)
And there is no other,
(Ain't it the truth!)
So if you don't love livin'
Then you're slightly uncouth,
Ain't it the visible truth!

Said that gal DuBarry,
(Ain't it the truth!)
"Love is cash and carry."
(Ain't it the truth!)
"You got to shake it down
Or stir it up with vermouth."
Ain't it the dignified truth!

Life is a ripplin' brook,
Man is a fish to cook,
You got to bait your hook,
Rise and shine
And cast your line.

Got to get your possum
(Ain't it the truth!)
While you still in blossom
(Ain't it the truth!)
That went for Delilah,
Cleopatra and Ruth:
Them babes did mighty swell,
They rang that Jeze-bell,
Ain't it the gos-a-pel truth!
It's the truth,
The truth,
It's the solid mellow truth!

"Ain't It the Truth by Lena Horne"
http://youtu.be/EMSyXuvNpeM

[FairfieldLife] A dread-full photo

[Ann]

My husband had another shoot in his studio today with a woman who loves
to dance. Here is a particularly good one I thought I would share.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion: Barry, the living embodiment of the small self

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> The thing is, Barry, is you don't have to like the fact that I am enlightened 
> (established in silence). It doesn't make a whit of difference to either of 
> us. You don't have to like the fact that I see you, the really crappy human 
> being that you are covered with.
>  
> I use the word "crappy" to describe you, because the most enjoyment I see you 
> get out of life is making sure others see the world through crap-colored 
> glasses, as you do, sometimes tricking them, as you did with Buck, for 
> example. Buck has an interesting way of expressing himself, but nothing 
> called for you to set him up with the quote, the way you did, remember? 
> Except that it fits your agenda – According to Barry, the world is a crappy 
> place.
> 
> This, then, feeds the other side of you, your hideous insecurity. When not 
> engaged in telling the world how crappy everything is, you are spinning 
> heroic tales about yourself. In other words, displaying the sheep-like, 
> predictable behavior, of one enslaved by the small self.  On the one hand, 
> you are constantly putting and pushing down others, the crappy world, as you 
> incessantly describe it. On the other, you are constantly elevating yourself 
> publicly, in your stories, in your context, in every way you can; the very 
> definition of the small self in action, erecting a phallus to itself.
> 
> This is because you have no non-attachment, TB. You spin your mind with 
> coffee, dull it with alcohol, distract it with movies, and occasionally take 
> it for a dance with other things. But the one thing you cannot, for the life 
> of you, do, is find any silence in there. Sure, like anyone else in your 
> circumstances, you can sit quietly in a room or garden, mentally masturbating 
> about the quiet, your fantasies, and how you will describe them later on. 
> But, again, even the peaceful surroundings bring your mind no quiet, within 
> itself.
> 
> You have wasted your time with your so called spiritual pursuits. None of 
> them have conditioned your mind, beyond the coarseness it frequently 
> displays. None of them have conditioned your heart, to love yourself, and 
> perhaps extend that to others.
> 
> So, you remain in crap consciousness, flinging poo, from your hole in the 
> ground, trying to drag the rest of us down to your level -- perversely 
> gleeful, when you nearly succeed. I'll just repeat what I said initially; you 
> don't have to like the fact that I am enlightened. It doesn't make a whit of 
> difference to either of us. You don't have to like the fact that I see you, 
> Barry. That doesn't matter either, because this isn't at all about me.
>  
> Congratulations, it is all about you.

This is an interesting post for a number of reasons. I found it very readable. 
This is because, although it was hard hitting, it also felt, on some levels, 
true. When a sense of truth comes through it fails to be cruel, it fails to be 
petty. I don't want what you said to necessarily be true because I actually 
have no agenda against Barry and some of your analysis is quite damning. I am 
ready, at any moment, to let the sunnier, the more positive life-supporting 
side of him (if there is one) into my awareness. There have been small glimpses 
but it always seems to give way to an uglier, meaner side.

I don't really 'get' Barry. I don't really make it my mission to do so. But I 
do find myself responding instinctually to many of his more negative postings. 
Not because I like to beat up on people. It is because I simply can't sit by 
and watch when there are blatant lies being told or gratuitous violence being 
done to other posters who don't appear to deserve it. 

But Doc, I have to give you credit for your post here. It does not come across 
as negative which is miraculous given what you had to say. Today Judy also hit 
some real nails on the head as well with regard to BW. Her posts also read true 
and clear and they resounded/rang clearly.  

Anyhow, welcome back for the week. Your contributions are often rich and funny 
and delicious.
>

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[FairfieldLife] Ego distortion: Barry, the living embodiment of the small self

[doctordumbass]

The thing is, Barry, is you don't have to like the fact that I am enlightened 
(established in silence). It doesn't make a whit of difference to either of us. 
You don't have to like the fact that I see you, the really crappy human being 
that you are covered with.
 
I use the word "crappy" to describe you, because the most enjoyment I see you 
get out of life is making sure others see the world through crap-colored 
glasses, as you do, sometimes tricking them, as you did with Buck, for example. 
Buck has an interesting way of expressing himself, but nothing called for you 
to set him up with the quote, the way you did, remember? Except that it fits 
your agenda – According to Barry, the world is a crappy place.

This, then, feeds the other side of you, your hideous insecurity. When not 
engaged in telling the world how crappy everything is, you are spinning heroic 
tales about yourself. In other words, displaying the sheep-like, predictable 
behavior, of one enslaved by the small self.  On the one hand, you are 
constantly putting and pushing down others, the crappy world, as you 
incessantly describe it. On the other, you are constantly elevating yourself 
publicly, in your stories, in your context, in every way you can; the very 
definition of the small self in action, erecting a phallus to itself.

This is because you have no non-attachment, TB. You spin your mind with coffee, 
dull it with alcohol, distract it with movies, and occasionally take it for a 
dance with other things. But the one thing you cannot, for the life of you, do, 
is find any silence in there. Sure, like anyone else in your circumstances, you 
can sit quietly in a room or garden, mentally masturbating about the quiet, 
your fantasies, and how you will describe them later on. But, again, even the 
peaceful surroundings bring your mind no quiet, within itself.

You have wasted your time with your so called spiritual pursuits. None of them 
have conditioned your mind, beyond the coarseness it frequently displays. None 
of them have conditioned your heart, to love yourself, and perhaps extend that 
to others.

So, you remain in crap consciousness, flinging poo, from your hole in the 
ground, trying to drag the rest of us down to your level -- perversely gleeful, 
when you nearly succeed. I'll just repeat what I said initially; you don't have 
to like the fact that I am enlightened. It doesn't make a whit of difference to 
either of us. You don't have to like the fact that I see you, Barry. That 
doesn't matter either, because this isn't at all about me.
 
Congratulations, it is all about you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What are Dreams?

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > >  wrote:
> (snip)
> > >> As for dreams, I was thinking if one has a vision, is 
> > >> that real, or just a dream one had a vision. Was it an 
> > >> hallucination? Are spiritual experiences just
> > >> hallucinations?
> > > 
> > > Define "real."
> > 
> > Is the the hard question in another form?
> 
> No, I was asking how you were defining "real" with regard
> to subjective experience. As far as I'm concerned,
> subjective experience should be considered just as real as
> anything else, on its own terms. Whether the experience
> corresponds to external reality is a different question.

I think of objective experience is a construct, like a scientific theory. As 
far as I am concerned, all experience is subjective, that it is impossible to 
have a reality in which that value 'subjectivity' is absent. That means that 
whether the phenomenon experienced is internal to the body, or outside the 
body, it is all subjective. Within that there is the raw input of the senses we 
experience, which if you believe the results of neuroscience, that information 
is already massaged in various ways before there is awareness of it, and then 
there is the mind and emotions which are not direct input but two different 
kinds of response to that input, and those lie internal to the body. 
> 
> 
>  For me experience is real, but the quality of experience and thought about 
> experience is subject to distortion shall we say (or not say if you 
> disagree). By quality of experience I mean sensory experience, which is 
> sometimes misleading or incomplete because of the way the brain fills in to 
> interpret the data stream (I am not talking about thinking here). As for 
> thought, this is a representation of all else that is experienced, but as a 
> representation it is not what that all else is, though the thought itself is 
> an experience. Memory is another problem, as research seems to show that when 
> we retrieve a memory, it gets rewritten, and the memory can change in this 
> process, so it becomes a poorer representation of whatever event we once 
> experienced. If you can come up with a better way to defines these terms I 
> would like to hear it, at least we might eventually be on the same page as to 
> the definintion of words, or maybe in the same book somewhere.
> > > 
> > >> Because individual minds seem so different and interpret the world with 
> > >> such different perspectives, are we just local realities in a larger 
> > >> reality, or hallucinations in a larger reality?
> > > 
> > > Whose hallucinations?
> > 
> > This is another question of interest. My thought on this is
> > there is the field of experience, but there is no one, no
> > who, that has them. There is no entity that has experience,
> > it just simply exists that way, unadorned.
> 
> This strikes me as unhealthy in the extreme.

Why? The idea that there is an entity that has experiences is just a name, such 
as 'me' that is applied to various processes in the field of experience. We are 
trained from birth to give the body and the experiences associated with it a 
name and a characteristic, like 'there is a soul in it'. It is a form of 
conditioning. It is, in terms of growing up and managing the world and the body 
a very convenient and often useful illusion. One of the more recent 
philosophical ideas is the self, that is, our ideas of self, and sense of self 
is a 'centre of narrative gravity' much like the concept of centre of mass in 
physics. Here is a paper on the idea:

http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/selfctr.htm

That form of conditioning is loosened with meditation although initially with 
TC and CC the sense of an internal entity (or internal identity might be a 
better way of expressing it), may be increased (Atman), but that is a passing 
phase because it dissolves. Like Guru Dev's image of a doll of salt walking 
into the ocean and dissolving, the experience individual identity comes apart, 
the internal life one has begins to fade away, but it is not necessarily 
disturbing, at least if one is prepared. Even early on in meditation many 
people suddenly discover that the things they liked to do somehow seem to fall 
flat and interests change. It is like that, but far more extensive, one becomes 
as if transparent to the flow of nature, the internal narrative of the mind 
subdues and stops interpreting and sensory experience flows in without being 
twisted around in the intellect. The intellect, the thinking process then 
becomes more like a tool, useful when needed, but no longer is experienced as 
reality.
> 
> 
>  So I think of this question as not the right question to ask, though at some 
> stage of pondering what reality might be, it is pr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And where are you living today (or this hour)

[Bhairitu]

They admit to a bug though on their support site.  And yes it may not be 
effecting everyone.  I think it might have something to do with having a 
Google+ account or other similar accounts available as an optional login.

On 05/24/2013 03:26 PM, authfriend wrote:
> I read Yahoo News regularly, and they haven't been getting
> my location wrong.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> If you happen to read Yahoo News you may have noticed that for some time
>> now Yahoo can't seem to keep your selections for location in place.
>> Right now logging in it shows Los Angeles for news and Westlake, Oregon
>> for weather.  It had something else when I logged in this morning.  All
>> along I show my account logged in which of course includes my location.
>> If you set these locations it may stick around for a day but not be
>> there the next day.  Cookie problem?
>>
>> So why can't Yahoo get it straight.  It ain't my browser because when I
>> did a search this problem has been around the last few months for about
>> everyone.  No wonder we see stupid stuff on Yahoo Groups. Must be those
>> "golden geese" they hired.  Or is Merissa Mayer going to be Yahoo's
>> Carly Fiorina?
>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it 
> > > > > still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me.  
> > > > > What have I missed?
> > > > 
> > > > Possibly the line in my original post that said
> > > > that the chairs had been left upside down on the
> > > > tables *by the cleaning crew* as they cleaned 
> > > > the room the night before? 
> > > > 
> > > > Nabby's just being a religious fanatic, trying to
> > > > make excuses for a superstitious old coot being
> > > > terrified to enter the room because in India
> > > > upside-down chairs are considered a "bad omen."
> > > 
> > > How do you know they did'nt put them on the tables so they
> > > could clean. How do you know they room had been cleaned ? 
> > 
> > Exactly. And Barry did *not* say anything about
> > "as they cleaned the room the night before." He
> > added that part just for this post, while
> > pretending that's what he'd said originally.
> > 
> > On the other hand, Nabby, chairs upside-down on
> > tables doesn't really tell you much of anything
> > about the cleanliness of the floor of the room
> > one way or the other. That's what salyavin was
> > getting at.
> > 
> > > You don't, but it fits into your lifelong anti-TMO-
> > > anti-Maharishi-campaign. You're an old fool.
> > 
> > We don't know whether Maharishi assumed the room 
> > hadn't been cleaned or just freaked out at the
> > upside-down chairs either.
> 
> Do you seriously consider the possebility that Maharishi would "freak" out 
> because of some upside-down chairs ?

This is simply another story the Turq has invented because it fits his agenda, 
knowing well that this "story" can never be verified. My guess is that this 
happenned in the head of the Turq, and only there.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it 
> > > > still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me.  
> > > > What have I missed?
> > > 
> > > Possibly the line in my original post that said
> > > that the chairs had been left upside down on the
> > > tables *by the cleaning crew* as they cleaned 
> > > the room the night before? 
> > > 
> > > Nabby's just being a religious fanatic, trying to
> > > make excuses for a superstitious old coot being
> > > terrified to enter the room because in India
> > > upside-down chairs are considered a "bad omen."
> > 
> > How do you know they did'nt put them on the tables so they
> > could clean. How do you know they room had been cleaned ? 
> 
> Exactly. And Barry did *not* say anything about
> "as they cleaned the room the night before." He
> added that part just for this post, while
> pretending that's what he'd said originally.
> 
> On the other hand, Nabby, chairs upside-down on
> tables doesn't really tell you much of anything
> about the cleanliness of the floor of the room
> one way or the other. That's what salyavin was
> getting at.
> 
> > You don't, but it fits into your lifelong anti-TMO-
> > anti-Maharishi-campaign. You're an old fool.
> 
> We don't know whether Maharishi assumed the room 
> hadn't been cleaned or just freaked out at the
> upside-down chairs either.

Do you seriously consider the possebility that Maharishi would "freak" out 
because of some upside-down chairs ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it 
> > > still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me.  
> > > What have I missed?
> > 
> > Possibly the line in my original post that said
> > that the chairs had been left upside down on the
> > tables *by the cleaning crew* as they cleaned 
> > the room the night before? 
> > 
> > Nabby's just being a religious fanatic, trying to
> > make excuses for a superstitious old coot being
> > terrified to enter the room because in India
> > upside-down chairs are considered a "bad omen."
> 
> How do you know they did'nt put them on the tables so they
> could clean. How do you know they room had been cleaned ? 

Exactly. And Barry did *not* say anything about
"as they cleaned the room the night before." He
added that part just for this post, while
pretending that's what he'd said originally.

On the other hand, Nabby, chairs upside-down on
tables doesn't really tell you much of anything
about the cleanliness of the floor of the room
one way or the other. That's what salyavin was
getting at.

> You don't, but it fits into your lifelong anti-TMO-
> anti-Maharishi-campaign. You're an old fool.

We don't know whether Maharishi assumed the room 
hadn't been cleaned or just freaked out at the
upside-down chairs either.

[FairfieldLife] Trailer of a movie I've seen (literally)

[Bhairitu]

One of John Frankenheimer's more obscure films is "99 and 44/100% Dead" 
starring Richard Harris.  Some of it was shot in in Seattle just down 
the street from where I lived.  So on one Saturday afternoon as I was 
driving through the University District, I wondered why there was such a 
crowd gathered around the old elementary school building that had been 
closed for a couple years. They were shooting this explosive scene from 
the movie (very short sequence):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=byyQSmf9wqU#t=89s

I stood in the crowd watching them shoot the windows being blown out of 
the building as Harris, playing a gangster, walks away from it. It took 
three takes before the explosive charges actually worked. They had three 
Panavision cameras trained on the scene to make sure they got it.  The 
film was only recently made available on DVD.  It is truly a camp film 
and a cult favorite.  Full trailer here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=byyQSmf9wqU

Seattle was a favored location back in the 1970s for shooting movies.  
Another film "Cinderella Liberty" starring James Caan and Marsha Mason 
was also shot there and the jazz group I worked in played the cast 
party.  I accompanied James Caan as he "tried" to play a little 3/4 
blues on piano.  Sorry, no video of that though a "making of" crew did 
shoot some of the party but it wound up on the cutting room floor.

I also came home from work one night and wondered what all the trucks 
were doing parked across the street.  I had noticed earlier in the day 
that no parking posters had gone up.  The next day a scene for a TV 
movie was shot in the bar across the street.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it
> > > still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me.
> > > What have I missed?
> >
> > Possibly the line in my original post that said
> > that the chairs had been left upside down on the
> > tables *by the cleaning crew* as they cleaned
> > the room the night before?
> >
> > Nabby's just being a religious fanatic, trying to
> > make excuses for a superstitious old coot being
> > terrified to enter the room because in India
> > upside-down chairs are considered a "bad omen."
>
> How do you know they did'nt put them on the tables so they could
clean. How do you know they room had been cleaned ?
> You don't, but it fits into your lifelong
anti-TMO-anti-Maharishi-campaign. You're an old fool.

He was probably a young fool also.

On another note, I have a theory that MMY probably spotted a
particularly voracious-looking mouse under the chair and was reacting to
that. He just didn't like mice all that much.






>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it 
> > > still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me.  
> > > What have I missed?
> > 
> > Possibly the line in my original post that said
> > that the chairs had been left upside down on the
> > tables *by the cleaning crew* as they cleaned 
> > the room the night before? 
> > 
> > Nabby's just being a religious fanatic, trying to
> > make excuses for a superstitious old coot being
> > terrified to enter the room because in India
> > upside-down chairs are considered a "bad omen."
> 
> How do you know they did'nt put them on the tables so they could clean. How 
> do you know they room had been cleaned ? 
> You don't, but it fits into your lifelong anti-TMO-anti-Maharishi-campaign. 
> You're an old fool.

And yes, an old fool who missed the ferry and spending most of your time 
waiting for another boat to take you across, one that never arrived. No wonder 
you're a bitter old man.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it 
> > still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me.  
> > What have I missed?
> 
> Possibly the line in my original post that said
> that the chairs had been left upside down on the
> tables *by the cleaning crew* as they cleaned 
> the room the night before? 
> 
> Nabby's just being a religious fanatic, trying to
> make excuses for a superstitious old coot being
> terrified to enter the room because in India
> upside-down chairs are considered a "bad omen."

How do you know they did'nt put them on the tables so they could clean. How do 
you know they room had been cleaned ? 
You don't, but it fits into your lifelong anti-TMO-anti-Maharishi-campaign. 
You're an old fool.

[FairfieldLife] Re: And where are you living today (or this hour)

[authfriend]

I read Yahoo News regularly, and they haven't been getting
my location wrong.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> If you happen to read Yahoo News you may have noticed that for some time 
> now Yahoo can't seem to keep your selections for location in place.   
> Right now logging in it shows Los Angeles for news and Westlake, Oregon 
> for weather.  It had something else when I logged in this morning.  All 
> along I show my account logged in which of course includes my location.  
> If you set these locations it may stick around for a day but not be 
> there the next day.  Cookie problem?
> 
> So why can't Yahoo get it straight.  It ain't my browser because when I 
> did a search this problem has been around the last few months for about 
> everyone.  No wonder we see stupid stuff on Yahoo Groups. Must be those 
> "golden geese" they hired.  Or is Merissa Mayer going to be Yahoo's 
> Carly Fiorina?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > No, sorry, Barry, what I said about you stands. Has
> > nothing to do with how many of "us" there are.
> > 
> > You dumped on DrD just the other day for not "dealing
> > with" your criticisms of him, but you never deal with
> > others' criticisms of you. 
> 
> That's a lie, or a deliberate attempt to misconstrue
> what I said. I criticized him -- and YOU -- for never
> dealing with my criticisms of the *TM movement* and
> its idiocies.

Nope, you didn't specify which criticisms you had in
mind. In the post in question, you were criticizing *him*,
not the TM movement, in retaliation for his criticisms
of *you*.

And you make far more personal criticisms than you do
criticisms of the movement in any case. You may have
known what you had in mind, but you didn't make it clear.

> You don't even bother. What you do is
> just play "Shoot the messenger." 

Well, that isn't true of me, as you know. When you *do*
make criticisms of the TMO that have any substance to
them, I often respond substantively. Everyone here knows
this. Why do you bother to lie about it?

> I neither expect nor want people to respond to any
> criticisms of them personally.

That's revealing: You don't *want* anybody to respond
to your personal criticisms. Given what a high
percentage of them are grossly untrue, it's understandable
that you'd rather your targets didn't respond and point
out what a liar you are.

> But when people have
> a tendency to lash out and react to criticisms of
> the TM movement with *only* attacks on the critic,
> I smell cult. I certainly smell it on you.

I can't do anything about your olfactory problems
except suggest you consult an otorhinolaryngologist.
A psychiatrist might be helpful for your twisted
fantasies about the TMers here.

> Or would you like to finally deal with my two posts
> a short while back about "The Missionary Position?"
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/343976
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/343977
> 
> You didn't respond to that at all. Try to do it now
> without turning into a diatribe against me personally. 
> I don't think you can.

I'll repeat what I said earlier:

"Just because something can be called a criticism
doesn't make it either valid or insightful, worth
making the effort to 'deal with.' Perhaps that's
what TMers are good at, knowing when a criticism
is so obviously feeble that all it merits is
mockery of the critic."

You obviously took a lot of time with these and
were very proud of them. Sorry you didn't get the
response you believed you deserved, but I thought
they were pretty lame even for you.

And in any case, they weren't criticisms of the TM
movement, they were personal attacks against your
"enemies" on FFL (except for the "celebrities"
afterthought post, which was just as lame as the
first).

Just for fun, I'll put what you snipped from my post
back in so everyone sees what you were unable to
respond to:

The truth is that your rotten behavior has seriously
alienated people on FFL all by itself, entirely
independently of any case anyone has made.

What makes you think you're entitled to dump on us
all the time, but we don't have the same privilege?
After all, our criticisms of you are legitimate;
yours of us are just made-up rants that have no
connection to reality.

But it's good to have it in writing from you that
you consider Ravi, Ann, DrD, raunchydog, and Nabby
(and me) to be lesser beings. Do you think that makes
you appear smart and admirable? Are you aware that
this is hardly the majority opinion on FFL?

There's only *one* of you, remember. Haven't you ever
considered how utterly EMBARRASSING it is to have
asserted your opinion of your personal superiority so
blatantly?

Why you repeatedly choose to *validate* what we say
about you is your little secret. But don't expect us
to refrain from saying it as long as you persist in
confirming it. If you can't control your hatefulness,
you're going to get beaten up and made fun of 
repeatedly. Get used to it.

Did you seriously think you were going to *dissuade*
us with this post??

[FairfieldLife] And where are you living today (or this hour)

[Bhairitu]

If you happen to read Yahoo News you may have noticed that for some time 
now Yahoo can't seem to keep your selections for location in place.   
Right now logging in it shows Los Angeles for news and Westlake, Oregon 
for weather.  It had something else when I logged in this morning.  All 
along I show my account logged in which of course includes my location.  
If you set these locations it may stick around for a day but not be 
there the next day.  Cookie problem?

So why can't Yahoo get it straight.  It ain't my browser because when I 
did a search this problem has been around the last few months for about 
everyone.  No wonder we see stupid stuff on Yahoo Groups. Must be those 
"golden geese" they hired.  Or is Merissa Mayer going to be Yahoo's 
Carly Fiorina?

[FairfieldLife] JFL: Top Ten!

[card]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPU3Cg7LdTU

>From the comments[sic!]:


Airaj Raheem 

Brother, You are very confused I don't want to say bad about any religion but 
to be very TRUE every year lots of people will covert to ISLAM compare 
to any other religion in the world. If you are wise please do comparative study 
of all the religions I'm sure you will come out the Dark. Follow religion NOT 
by CHANCE(as your ancestors follow that) but follow it by CHOICE(doing proper 
research and finding the truth). May Allah show you the right path(Ameen).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why religion is ludicrous

[Bhairitu]

On 05/24/2013 02:12 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
> They make up "rules," declare them "invented by God," and then find ways
> around them whenever it is convenient. The religious version of "There's
> an app for that" is "There's an exception for that." Great little
> article from Scientific American on how the Catholic Church once
> declared beavers a fish:
>
> http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/thoughtful-animal/2013/05/23/once-up\
> on-a-time-the-catholic-church-decided-that-beavers-were-fish/
>   
>  pon-a-time-the-catholic-church-decided-that-beavers-were-fish/>

Tribal chieftains in cahoots with the tribe's medicine man to keep the 
tribe members in line without force by using fear of the unknown.

[FairfieldLife] Why religion is ludicrous

[turquoiseb]

They make up "rules," declare them "invented by God," and then find ways
around them whenever it is convenient. The religious version of "There's
an app for that" is "There's an exception for that." Great little
article from Scientific American on how the Catholic Church once
declared beavers a fish:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/thoughtful-animal/2013/05/23/once-up\
on-a-time-the-catholic-church-decided-that-beavers-were-fish/
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> No, sorry, Barry, what I said about you stands. Has
> nothing to do with how many of "us" there are.
> 
> You dumped on DrD just the other day for not "dealing
> with" your criticisms of him, but you never deal with
> others' criticisms of you. 

That's a lie, or a deliberate attempt to misconstrue
what I said. I criticized him -- and YOU -- for never
dealing with my criticisms of the *TM movement* and
its idiocies. You don't even bother. What you do is
just play "Shoot the messenger." 

I neither expect nor want people to respond to any
criticisms of them personally. But when people have
a tendency to lash out and react to criticisms of
the TM movement with *only* attacks on the critic,
I smell cult. I certainly smell it on you.

Or would you like to finally deal with my two posts
a short while back about "The Missionary Position?"

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/343976

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/343977

You didn't respond to that at all. Try to do it now
without turning into a diatribe against me personally. 
I don't think you can.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[Share Long]

Thanks, Judy, you are too kind for sure (-:  Happy Memorial Day weekend!





 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:57 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
Engineered Food
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Well, my mind is even more positively boggled that yours is
> positively boggled after reading MY post!  So there!

That's OK, Share, don't worry about it. You can't help
yourself, obviously.

> 
>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:24 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> Engineered Food
> 
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Not amazing at all IMO. I personally know of the TMO's penchant for 
> > cleanliness. OTOH I had already told turq that I had never before seen nor 
> > heard of Maharishi being superstitious though I believed him when he said 
> > that Maharishi wouldn't enter the room. Nabby's explanation, that the room 
> > had not been cleaned and that's why Maharishi did not enter, made perfect 
> > sense to me.
> 
> Even more amazing--positively mind-boggling, in fact--that
> it would continue to make sense to you after you read my post.
> 
> > 
> >  From: authfriend 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:38 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> > Engineered Food
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it.  And it still passed me 
> > > by!  It seems reasonable to me.  What have I missed?
> > 
> > Amazing.
> > 
> > Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could
> > both mean the room hadn't been cleaned yet.
> > 
> > Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could
> > also both mean the room *had* been cleaned.
> > 
> > > 
> > >  From: salyavin808 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> > > Engineered Food
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > huh?!ÃÆ'‚  turq, I never heard that 
> > > > > one!ÃÆ'‚  You aren't doing an irony thing, are you?!
> > > > 
> > > > A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. 
> > > > The world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ?
> > > 
> > > "A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned"
> > > 
> > > That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite
> > > reasonable until you stop and think about it
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it. And it 
> still passed me by! It seems reasonable to me.  
> What have I missed?

Possibly the line in my original post that said
that the chairs had been left upside down on the
tables *by the cleaning crew* as they cleaned 
the room the night before? 

Nabby's just being a religious fanatic, trying to
make excuses for a superstitious old coot being
terrified to enter the room because in India
upside-down chairs are considered a "bad omen."

Some "invincibility," eh? 

I saw his face. The man was TERRIFIED. Even Jerry,
who was standing right there, was shocked. He'd
never seen Maharishi so scared by anything. 

I repeat my position -- possibly the most super-
stitious person I've ever met on this planet. 


> 
>  From: salyavin808 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> Engineered Food
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > huh?!  turq, I never heard that one!  You aren't doing an irony 
> > > thing, are you?!
> > 
> > A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The 
> > world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ?
> >
> 
> "A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned"
> 
> That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite
> reasonable until you stop and think about it
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Petition to offer meditation in schools

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> U
> 
> This appears to be a ploy to get his book better known.
> 
> Mark Landau is the author of the book he is advocating everyone read
> to learn how to do the meditation he advocates the US encourage all
> students to learn.

>From used sandal salesman to new-age meditation huckster... that's quite a 
>career arc.

[FairfieldLife] Re: [Old?] Er...uption!

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
>
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV6SmY04WdE
>

Ex oriente lux?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=gpvcgGckFKE&NR=1

Amazing sense of rhythm?

[FairfieldLife] [Old?] Er...uption!

[card]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV6SmY04WdE

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[Ravi Chivukula]

Not to mention he wants us to prove his "evilnessitude" - hilarious and 
ridiculous that, no one calls him or any others evil here and this is the only 
way he can avoid addressing criticisms of his specific behavior, by obscuring 
valid, demonstrable, objectionable behavior of his as the vague and unprovable 
"evilnessitude".


On May 24, 2013, at 11:19 AM, "authfriend"  wrote:

> No, sorry, Barry, what I said about you stands. Has
> nothing to do with how many of "us" there are.
> 
> You dumped on DrD just the other day for not "dealing
> with" your criticisms of him, but you never deal with
> others' criticisms of you. Do you really think nobody
> notices your hypocrisy?
> 
> The truth is that your rotten behavior has seriously
> alienated people on FFL all by itself, entirely
> independently of any case anyone has made.
> 
> What makes you think you're entitled to dump on us
> all the time, but we don't have the same privilege?
> After all, our criticisms of you are legitimate;
> yours of us are just made-up rants that have no
> connection to reality.
> 
> But it's good to have it in writing from you that
> you consider Ravi, Ann, DrD, raunchydog, and Nabby
> (and me) to be lesser beings. Do you think that makes
> you appear smart and admirable? Are you aware that
> this is hardly the majority opinion on FFL?
> 
> There's only *one* of you, remember. Haven't you ever
> considered how utterly EMBARRASSING it is to have
> asserted your opinion of your personal superiority so
> blatantly?
> 
> Why you repeatedly choose to *validate* what we say
> about you is your little secret. But don't expect us
> to refrain from saying it as long as you persist in
> confirming it. If you can't control your hatefulness,
> you're going to get beaten up and made fun of 
> repeatedly. Get used to it.
> 
> Did you seriously think you were going to *dissuade*
> us with this post??
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Bottom line, Judy, is that there are only four 
> > of you. With an occasional "pile on" from Nabby
> > and Raunchydog. No one else really bothers with
> > you, unless one of you actually says something
> > interesting by accident. :-)
> > 
> > You're preaching *to each other*. If you really
> > had a case to make about my (and Curtis' and
> > Steve's and Vaj's) evilnessitude, it seems to
> > me that you could have made it and gotten a 
> > hearty round of approval by now. If you haven't,
> > after all these years, you should get used to
> > the idea that the only people you're EVER going
> > to get that round of approval from are your
> > own minions. 
> > 
> > I mean, haven't you ever considered how utterly
> > EMBARRASSING it is to have Ravi, Ann, Jimbo,
> > Raunchydog, and Nabby as your only fans? Low
> > hanging fruit. 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Have you ever noticed how important Barry, FFL's one-man
> > > Hate Brigade, feels it is to let us all know how little
> > > he's affected by what the folks who are trying to clue
> > > him in to himself are saying?
> > > 
> > > If he were really not affected, he wouldn't worry about
> > > whether we thought he was. But he obviously cares a great
> > > deal about convincing us that he doesn't care.
> > > 
> > > Jumping up and down and screaming, "I don't give a shit
> > > what you horrible people say about me! I don't care, I
> > > don't care, I'm not affected. Look, damn it, I'm not
> > > paying you any attention, can't you see? I'm being just
> > > as hateful as you all keep saying I am!" doesn't quite
> > > convey the impression he wants it to.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Have you ever noticed that the Hate Brigade tends to
> > > > justify why they obsess on me by coming up with 
> > > > metaphors for how *much* what I say *bothers* them?
> > > > 
> > > > And then they give speeches about "non-attachment."
> > > > Go figure. 
> > > > 
> > > > If I were to come up with a metaphor for how much
> > > > the things Ann or Jimbo or Judy or Ravi say affect
> > > > me...uh...let's see. Using Ann's tortured metaphor
> > > > syntax (she really *did* learn to Write Badly from
> > > > Robin, didn't she?):
> > > > 
> > > > * Think of a gnat flying through a room, making so
> > > > little impact on the room that the only ones who
> > > > even notice its existence are other gnats. 
> > > > 
> > > > That's all I can come up with. Sorry... :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Really. Does the spoiled little rich girl think 
> > > > that people actually CARE what she thinks of them?
> > > > Or that they have any reaction whatsoever?
> > > > 
> > > > THAT is the whole issue. They are convinced that
> > > > people CARE about the things they say, as if they
> > > > "mattered." They don't. They're gnats. The only
> > > > thing one can do with gnats -- out of compassion,
> > > > you understand -- is to remind them every so often
> > > > of their gnatitu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[Ravi Chivukula]

Not to mention he wants us to prove his "evilnessitude" - hilarious and 
ridiculous that, no one calls him or any others evil here and this is the only 
way he can avoid addressing criticisms of his specific behavior, by obscuring 
valid, demonstrable, objectionable behavior of his as the vague and unprovable 
"evilnessitude".

On May 24, 2013, at 11:19 AM, "authfriend"  wrote:

> evilnessitude

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Well, my mind is even more positively boggled that yours is
> positively boggled after reading MY post!  So there!

That's OK, Share, don't worry about it. You can't help
yourself, obviously.



> 
>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:24 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> Engineered Food
>  
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Not amazing at all IMO. I personally know of the TMO's penchant for 
> > cleanliness. OTOH I had already told turq that I had never before seen nor 
> > heard of Maharishi being superstitious though I believed him when he said 
> > that Maharishi wouldn't enter the room. Nabby's explanation, that the room 
> > had not been cleaned and that's why Maharishi did not enter, made perfect 
> > sense to me.
> 
> Even more amazing--positively mind-boggling, in fact--that
> it would continue to make sense to you after you read my post.
> 
> > 
> >  From: authfriend 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:38 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> > Engineered Food
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it.  And it still passed me 
> > > by!  It seems reasonable to me.  What have I missed?
> > 
> > Amazing.
> > 
> > Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could
> > both mean the room hadn't been cleaned yet.
> > 
> > Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could
> > also both mean the room *had* been cleaned.
> > 
> > > 
> > >  From: salyavin808 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> > > Engineered Food
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > huh?!ÃÆ'‚  turq, I never heard that 
> > > > > one!ÃÆ'‚  You aren't doing an irony thing, are you?!
> > > > 
> > > > A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. 
> > > > The world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ?
> > > 
> > > "A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned"
> > > 
> > > That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite
> > > reasonable until you stop and think about it
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[Share Long]

Well, my mind is even more positively boggled that yours is positively boggled 
after reading MY post!  So there!





 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
Engineered Food
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Not amazing at all IMO. I personally know of the TMO's penchant for 
> cleanliness. OTOH I had already told turq that I had never before seen nor 
> heard of Maharishi being superstitious though I believed him when he said 
> that Maharishi wouldn't enter the room. Nabby's explanation, that the room 
> had not been cleaned and that's why Maharishi did not enter, made perfect 
> sense to me.

Even more amazing--positively mind-boggling, in fact--that
it would continue to make sense to you after you read my post.

> 
>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:38 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> Engineered Food
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it.  And it still passed me by!  It 
> > seems reasonable to me.  What have I missed?
> 
> Amazing.
> 
> Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could
> both mean the room hadn't been cleaned yet.
> 
> Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could
> also both mean the room *had* been cleaned.
> 
> > 
> >  From: salyavin808 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> > Engineered Food
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > huh?!  turq, I never heard that one!  You aren't doing 
> > > > an irony thing, are you?!
> > > 
> > > A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The 
> > > world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ?
> > 
> > "A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned"
> > 
> > That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite
> > reasonable until you stop and think about it
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness - Hardware and Software

[Richard J. Williams]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > ---  Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jason, I liked your analogy and I think Judy asks a valid
> > > > question.  What say you?
> > > > 
> > > > ---  "Jason"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > Allow me to rephrase the topic.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Judy's thesis is this.  There is a dark room. You are inside 
> > > > > it in darkness.  There is bright light outside. The windows 
> > > > > are covered with blinds with no light coming in.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You slowly open it a little bit with very dim light coming 
> > > > > in. Later you let some more light come in.  it's brighter. 
> > > > > Again later you allow a little more light to come in.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The room slowly become brighter and brighter until it's 
> > > > > fully illuminated from the light outside.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Salyawin's thesis is this.  You are in a dark room.  You 
> > > > > have a bulb and very tiny batteries.  You connect the 
> > > > > batteries to the bulb and get a very dim light.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Later, you connect it to a bigger set of batteries and the 
> > > > > light is slightly brighter.  A little later, you connect it 
> > > > > to a even larger battery and so on.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The room becomes brighter and brighter untill it's fully 
> > > > > illuminated with powerfull batteries.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which is could be correct?
> > > > > 
> > > > > If consciousness is an emergent phenomena that comes from 
> > > > > the ability to sense the outside universe, it would need the 
> > > > > hardware. It would be objective.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If consciousness came from the intelligence of the totality 
> > > > > of nature's laws, it's a software issue.  The Qualia aspect 
> > > > > of reality is interesting. It's subjective.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bring it on, Xeno Taxius, Judy, Salyawin. 
> > > > >
> > > ---  "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How do you account for the "you" in either of the above
> > > > scenarios? Where did it come from?
> > > 
> > > Could it be that the self-awareness or the feeling of "I am" 
> > > is inherent or intrinsic in everything starting from an 
> > > electron.
> > 
> > Wl...maybe.
> > 
> > > If every electron "knows" the position of every other 
> > > electron in the universe..
> > > 
> > > I think you nailed me.  Got to give you credit.  Well played 
> > > Judy.
> > 
> > It's amazing how easy it is to overlook.
> > 
> > Some scientific folks insist very firmly that the sense of
> > self is just an illusion that processes in the brain create.
> > 
> > Oh? And what/who is being fooled by it?
> 
> Another part of the illusion. Go to sleep and they both disappear.
> Clever stuff.
>
Maybe the comic anecdote about Thales was correct: 

Watching the sky he fell into a well; or perhaps he 
prognosticated a bumper crop.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna, was Discussion of John Hagelin, Ph.D., sexploits

[Richard J. Williams]

John jr_esq:
> ...the Srimad Bhagavatam mentioned that Krishna 
> made love to the gopis at the same time.  And, 
> each one believed she was the only one who was 
> with Krishna.
>
The key word here is 'ambrosia', the 'Food of the 
Gods', or in the case of Krishna and the Gopis, 
the 'Ras', the divine nectar. 

> IMO, this was the meaning of the rasa dance that 
> Krishna and gopis performed during the Full Moon.
>
Apparently, having sexual relations is ideal 
during the Autumn moon, this I can agree with no
hesitation. 

However, to be attacked, when you're just a baby, 
by dozens of frenzied cow-girls in the middle of 
the night is pure tantric, that's fer sure! LoL!

You can call it a 'rasa dance', or you can call 
it a folky dance if you want to, but one thing is 
clear, all the gopis were adult married women. 

Go figure.

So, sometimes the term 'rasa' refers to certain 
base persons who merely imitate the moods of 
'prema', love, for material gain or personal 
enjoyment.

So, "rasiks" imagine that they feel the divine 
emotions of Krishna or Radharani. Yet, these 
persons do not really understand that the term 
'rasa' means 'transcendental nectar', not in the 
sense of mundane pleasure, but 'nectar' in the 
sense of effortless, spontaneous transcendental 
devotional service. 

And so, in In Braj, the holy land of Krishna and 
Radha, such miscreants who imagine that Radharani 
is merely a physical object are termed 'bhogis', 
or mere mood-makers. Sometimes these pretenders
are called 'a-babas', from Sanskrit, i.e., 'guys
that hanker after many smooth things'. 

> > > FWIW, wasn't it mainly morality that almost prevented 
> > > Krishna
> > >
> > Which one - the baby Krishna of Brindaban, the teenage 
> > Krishna, son of Devaki, or the warrior Krishna of 
> > Dwarka, who had 15000 wives?
> >  
> > > from fulfilling his duty as a kshatriya?
> > > 
> > Ramakrishna once remarked that he wanted to taste sugar,
> > not be sugar. Some devotees of Krishna actually aspire 
> > to dress up like Radha, the divine lover. 
> > 
> > To this end, some bhaktas in India like to dress in 
> > women's clothing - 'saribhekis' - in imitation of 
> > Srimati Radharani. 
> > 
> > Thus, some of the Vaishnavas came to be called 'rasiks', 
> > as in the 'nectar' of erotic ambrosia. 
> > 
> > The so-called rasiks then tried to reverse engineer the 
> > original Sahajiya Buddhist philosophical system, and 
> > turned it upside down, calling Sri Radha the 'active' 
> > female principle, and Krishna the 'static', in order 
> > to represent the highest state of bliss attained by 
> > man through maithuna, or tantric ritual coitus.
> > 
> > Go figure. 
> > 
> > Not sure if this was the cause of Krishna not, or
> > fulfilling his duty as a Kshatriya, but I would assume
> > that he had sexual relations with at least a few of 
> > his wives, as time permitted, in between fighting in 
> > wars and other stuff.
> > 
> > LoL!
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[Ravi Chivukula]

Thank you dear and you have a good weekend too.

On May 24, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Share Long  wrote:

> Hope all the Dr. RCs have a wonderful Memorial Day weekend (-:
> 
> From: Ravi Chivukula 
> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion
> 
>  
> Yeah dear Dr RC, Psy. D, UCLA - the compassionate, empathetic therapist. I 
> love the man, he has a hard job to do. The pain, suffering, sacrifice the man 
> had to endure.
> 
> But don't forget the other two RC's - fucking fundamentalists, cultists both. 
> I'm telling you dear, they are out to get you - beware !!!
> 
> 
> On May 23, 2013, at 10:58 AM, Share Long  wrote:
> 
>>  
>> thanks for being patient with me, Dr. RC
>> 
>> From: Ravi Chivukula 
>> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion
>> 
>>  
>> Salyavin,
>> 
>> You missed my point, I was addressing Barry's unhealthy attention seeking 
>> behavior not denying his or anyone's need for attention.
>> 
>> Every one needs attention. I myself learned to find emotionally healthy ways 
>> to express my need for attention which requires a healthy display of 
>> vulnerability and I also learned to express empathy - as in acknowledge 
>> others need for attention and their vulnerability.
>> 
>> I learned all this, in a very hard way though, by my 30th year, and here's 
>> Barry a 65 plus old adult emotionally stunted, no healthy of expressing 
>> attention, no healthy ways of empathizing with others.
>> 
>> Vulnerability equates to weakness, empathy equates to weakness. Share's 
>> another - she is afraid she will be controlled by fundamentalists if she 
>> displays any vulnerability.
>> 
>> 
>> On May 23, 2013, at 9:25 AM, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Barry Wright wants attention
>>> 
>>> Why do you lot give him so much if you object to it?
>>> 
>>> > 
>>> > Barry Wright loves attention
>>> > 
>>> > Barry Wright would kill for attention
>>> > 
>>> > Yet he can't reveal it. He is the very troll, attention slut he accuses 
>>> > others of. I call him emotionally stunted - a therapist, psychologist who 
>>> > follow attachment theory may call him dismissive-avoidant.
>>> > 
>>> > He is a Rama/Lenz TB - now he had to yell and scream at others being TB's.
>>> > 
>>> > Share and Xeno are his fans.
>>> > 
>>> > Pathetic.
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > On May 23, 2013, at 8:41 AM, "Ann"  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > "I yam what I yam, as Popeye used to say. I don't
>>> > > > really give much of a shit what other people think
>>> > > > of what I yam."--Barry Wright, last week
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > The interesting thing about Barry's posts is
>>> > > > that while he claims he doesn't give much of
>>> > > > a shit what other people think of what he is,
>>> > > > he still obviously wants to make absolutely
>>> > > > sure we know what *he* thinks of what he is.
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Well that worked. :-)
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > Doc, I have no interest in anything you say because it's
>>> > > > > always the same -- "**I** am > > being enlightened or even halfway 
>>> > > > > intelligent here> and 
>>> > > > > you're not!!!" 
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > Because you'd obviously gotten *your* buttons pushed this
>>> > > > > week by me stating obvious truths about the TMO and 
>>> > > > > reminding people of your somewhat sordid FFL past, I 
>>> > > > > figured I'd just "help you out the door" by pushing your 
>>> > > > > buttons even more. And it worked. "You're toast, and I'm 
>>> > > > > not." That's my counterpart of your act. :-)
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > You can rant your fantasies about my life all you want.
>>> > > > > In fact, do so more often, and at the beginning of a 
>>> > > > > week, so we don't have to listen to them all week. :-)
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > But I'll stand on the posts I make themselves. If any-
>>> > > > > one actually *believes* that I was affected by anything
>>> > > > > you said in your button-pushed rants this week, that is
>>> > > > > their prerogative, and their folly. I just saw an oppor-
>>> > > > > tunity to get you out of our hair, and took it. 
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > And I might do it again next week, because frankly you're
>>> > > > > too stupid to realize what's being done to you and learn
>>> > > > > from it. Or I might just ignore your silly ass entirely, 
>>> > > > > which will have exactly the same effect. :-)
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > It's YOU that yearns for attention, for pats on the back, 
>>> > > > > and for "support" from your fellow minions, not me. THAT
>>> > > > > is what 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness - Hardware and Software

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > ---  Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason, I liked your analogy and I think Judy asks a valid
> > > > > question.  What say you?
> > > > > 
> > > > > ---  "Jason"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > (snip)
> > > > > > Allow me to rephrase the topic.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Judy's thesis is this.  There is a dark room. You are inside 
> > > > > > it in darkness.  There is bright light outside. The windows 
> > > > > > are covered with blinds with no light coming in.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You slowly open it a little bit with very dim light coming 
> > > > > > in. Later you let some more light come in.  it's brighter. 
> > > > > > Again later you allow a little more light to come in.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The room slowly become brighter and brighter until it's 
> > > > > > fully illuminated from the light outside.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Salyawin's thesis is this.  You are in a dark room.  You 
> > > > > > have a bulb and very tiny batteries.  You connect the 
> > > > > > batteries to the bulb and get a very dim light.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Later, you connect it to a bigger set of batteries and the 
> > > > > > light is slightly brighter.  A little later, you connect it 
> > > > > > to a even larger battery and so on.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The room becomes brighter and brighter untill it's fully 
> > > > > > illuminated with powerfull batteries.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Which is could be correct?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If consciousness is an emergent phenomena that comes from 
> > > > > > the ability to sense the outside universe, it would need the 
> > > > > > hardware. It would be objective.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If consciousness came from the intelligence of the totality 
> > > > > > of nature's laws, it's a software issue.  The Qualia aspect 
> > > > > > of reality is interesting. It's subjective.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bring it on, Xeno Taxius, Judy, Salyawin. 
> > > > > >
> > > > ---  "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > How do you account for the "you" in either of the above
> > > > > scenarios? Where did it come from?
> > > > 
> > > > Could it be that the self-awareness or the feeling of "I am" 
> > > > is inherent or intrinsic in everything starting from an 
> > > > electron.
> > > 
> > > Wl...maybe.
> > > 
> > > > If every electron "knows" the position of every other 
> > > > electron in the universe..
> > > > 
> > > > I think you nailed me.  Got to give you credit.  Well played 
> > > > Judy.
> > > 
> > > It's amazing how easy it is to overlook.
> > > 
> > > Some scientific folks insist very firmly that the sense of
> > > self is just an illusion that processes in the brain create.
> > > 
> > > Oh? And what/who is being fooled by it?
> > 
> > Another part of the illusion. Go to sleep and they both disappear.
> > Clever stuff.
> 
> See what I mean? I think the absolute inability to grasp
> the problem must be congenital, like color-blindness and
> tone-deafness.

Maybe some people just grasp the wrong problem?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness - Hardware and Software

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > ---  Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jason, I liked your analogy and I think Judy asks a valid
> > > > question.  What say you?
> > > > 
> > > > ---  "Jason"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > Allow me to rephrase the topic.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Judy's thesis is this.  There is a dark room. You are inside 
> > > > > it in darkness.  There is bright light outside. The windows 
> > > > > are covered with blinds with no light coming in.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You slowly open it a little bit with very dim light coming 
> > > > > in. Later you let some more light come in.  it's brighter. 
> > > > > Again later you allow a little more light to come in.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The room slowly become brighter and brighter until it's 
> > > > > fully illuminated from the light outside.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Salyawin's thesis is this.  You are in a dark room.  You 
> > > > > have a bulb and very tiny batteries.  You connect the 
> > > > > batteries to the bulb and get a very dim light.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Later, you connect it to a bigger set of batteries and the 
> > > > > light is slightly brighter.  A little later, you connect it 
> > > > > to a even larger battery and so on.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The room becomes brighter and brighter untill it's fully 
> > > > > illuminated with powerfull batteries.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which is could be correct?
> > > > > 
> > > > > If consciousness is an emergent phenomena that comes from 
> > > > > the ability to sense the outside universe, it would need the 
> > > > > hardware. It would be objective.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If consciousness came from the intelligence of the totality 
> > > > > of nature's laws, it's a software issue.  The Qualia aspect 
> > > > > of reality is interesting. It's subjective.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bring it on, Xeno Taxius, Judy, Salyawin. 
> > > > >
> > > ---  "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How do you account for the "you" in either of the above
> > > > scenarios? Where did it come from?
> > > 
> > > Could it be that the self-awareness or the feeling of "I am" 
> > > is inherent or intrinsic in everything starting from an 
> > > electron.
> > 
> > Wl...maybe.
> > 
> > > If every electron "knows" the position of every other 
> > > electron in the universe..
> > > 
> > > I think you nailed me.  Got to give you credit.  Well played 
> > > Judy.
> > 
> > It's amazing how easy it is to overlook.
> > 
> > Some scientific folks insist very firmly that the sense of
> > self is just an illusion that processes in the brain create.
> > 
> > Oh? And what/who is being fooled by it?
> 
> Another part of the illusion. Go to sleep and they both disappear.
> Clever stuff.

See what I mean? I think the absolute inability to grasp
the problem must be congenital, like color-blindness and
tone-deafness.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness - Hardware and Software

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> > 
> > ---  Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Jason, I liked your analogy and I think Judy asks a valid
> > > question.  What say you?
> > > 
> > > ---  "Jason"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > (snip)
> > > > Allow me to rephrase the topic.
> > > > 
> > > > Judy's thesis is this.  There is a dark room. You are inside 
> > > > it in darkness.  There is bright light outside. The windows 
> > > > are covered with blinds with no light coming in.
> > > > 
> > > > You slowly open it a little bit with very dim light coming 
> > > > in. Later you let some more light come in.  it's brighter. 
> > > > Again later you allow a little more light to come in.
> > > > 
> > > > The room slowly become brighter and brighter until it's 
> > > > fully illuminated from the light outside.
> > > > 
> > > > Salyawin's thesis is this.  You are in a dark room.  You 
> > > > have a bulb and very tiny batteries.  You connect the 
> > > > batteries to the bulb and get a very dim light.  
> > > > 
> > > > Later, you connect it to a bigger set of batteries and the 
> > > > light is slightly brighter.  A little later, you connect it 
> > > > to a even larger battery and so on.
> > > > 
> > > > The room becomes brighter and brighter untill it's fully 
> > > > illuminated with powerfull batteries.
> > > > 
> > > > Which is could be correct?
> > > > 
> > > > If consciousness is an emergent phenomena that comes from 
> > > > the ability to sense the outside universe, it would need the 
> > > > hardware. It would be objective.
> > > > 
> > > > If consciousness came from the intelligence of the totality 
> > > > of nature's laws, it's a software issue.  The Qualia aspect 
> > > > of reality is interesting. It's subjective.
> > > > 
> > > > Bring it on, Xeno Taxius, Judy, Salyawin. 
> > > >
> > ---  "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > How do you account for the "you" in either of the above
> > > scenarios? Where did it come from?
> > 
> > Could it be that the self-awareness or the feeling of "I am" 
> > is inherent or intrinsic in everything starting from an 
> > electron.
> 
> Wl...maybe.
> 
> > If every electron "knows" the position of every other 
> > electron in the universe..
> > 
> > I think you nailed me.  Got to give you credit.  Well played 
> > Judy.
> 
> It's amazing how easy it is to overlook.
> 
> Some scientific folks insist very firmly that the sense of
> self is just an illusion that processes in the brain create.
> 
> Oh? And what/who is being fooled by it?

Another part of the illusion. Go to sleep and they both disappear.
Clever stuff.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Not amazing at all IMO. I personally know of the TMO's penchant for 
> cleanliness. OTOH I had already told turq that I had never before seen nor 
> heard of Maharishi being superstitious though I believed him when he said 
> that Maharishi wouldn't enter the room. Nabby's explanation, that the room 
> had not been cleaned and that's why Maharishi did not enter, made perfect 
> sense to me.

Even more amazing--positively mind-boggling, in fact--that
it would continue to make sense to you after you read my post.


> 
>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:38 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> Engineered Food
>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it.  And it still passed me by!  It 
> > seems reasonable to me.  What have I missed?
> 
> Amazing.
> 
> Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could
> both mean the room hadn't been cleaned yet.
> 
> Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could
> also both mean the room *had* been cleaned.
> 
> > 
> >  From: salyavin808 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> > Engineered Food
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > huh?!  turq, I never heard that one!  You aren't doing 
> > > > an irony thing, are you?!
> > > 
> > > A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The 
> > > world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ?
> > 
> > "A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned"
> > 
> > That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite
> > reasonable until you stop and think about it
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[authfriend]

No, sorry, Barry, what I said about you stands. Has
nothing to do with how many of "us" there are.

You dumped on DrD just the other day for not "dealing
with" your criticisms of him, but you never deal with
others' criticisms of you. Do you really think nobody
notices your hypocrisy?

The truth is that your rotten behavior has seriously
alienated people on FFL all by itself, entirely
independently of any case anyone has made.

What makes you think you're entitled to dump on us
all the time, but we don't have the same privilege?
After all, our criticisms of you are legitimate;
yours of us are just made-up rants that have no
connection to reality.

But it's good to have it in writing from you that
you consider Ravi, Ann, DrD, raunchydog, and Nabby
(and me) to be lesser beings. Do you think that makes
you appear smart and admirable? Are you aware that
this is hardly the majority opinion on FFL?

There's only *one* of you, remember. Haven't you ever
considered how utterly EMBARRASSING it is to have
asserted your opinion of your personal superiority so
blatantly?

Why you repeatedly choose to *validate* what we say
about you is your little secret. But don't expect us
to refrain from saying it as long as you persist in
confirming it. If you can't control your hatefulness,
you're going to get beaten up and made fun of 
repeatedly. Get used to it.

Did you seriously think you were going to *dissuade*
us with this post??


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Bottom line, Judy, is that there are only four 
> of you. With an occasional "pile on" from Nabby
> and Raunchydog. No one else really bothers with
> you, unless one of you actually says something
> interesting by accident. :-)
> 
> You're preaching *to each other*. If you really
> had a case to make about my (and Curtis' and
> Steve's and Vaj's) evilnessitude, it seems to
> me that you could have made it and gotten a 
> hearty round of approval by now. If you haven't,
> after all these years, you should get used to
> the idea that the only people you're EVER going
> to get that round of approval from are your
> own minions. 
> 
> I mean, haven't you ever considered how utterly
> EMBARRASSING it is to have Ravi, Ann, Jimbo,
> Raunchydog, and Nabby as your only fans? Low
> hanging fruit. 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Have you ever noticed how important Barry, FFL's one-man
> > Hate Brigade, feels it is to let us all know how little
> > he's affected by what the folks who are trying to clue
> > him in to himself are saying?
> > 
> > If he were really not affected, he wouldn't worry about
> > whether we thought he was. But he obviously cares a great
> > deal about convincing us that he doesn't care.
> > 
> > Jumping up and down and screaming, "I don't give a shit
> > what you horrible people say about me! I don't care, I
> > don't care, I'm not affected. Look, damn it, I'm not
> > paying you any attention, can't you see? I'm being just
> > as hateful as you all keep saying I am!" doesn't quite
> > convey the impression he wants it to.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Have you ever noticed that the Hate Brigade tends to
> > > justify why they obsess on me by coming up with 
> > > metaphors for how *much* what I say *bothers* them?
> > > 
> > > And then they give speeches about "non-attachment."
> > > Go figure. 
> > > 
> > > If I were to come up with a metaphor for how much
> > > the things Ann or Jimbo or Judy or Ravi say affect
> > > me...uh...let's see. Using Ann's tortured metaphor
> > > syntax (she really *did* learn to Write Badly from
> > > Robin, didn't she?):
> > > 
> > > * Think of a gnat flying through a room, making so
> > > little impact on the room that the only ones who
> > > even notice its existence are other gnats. 
> > > 
> > > That's all I can come up with. Sorry...  :-)
> > > 
> > > Really. Does the spoiled little rich girl think 
> > > that people actually CARE what she thinks of them?
> > > Or that they have any reaction whatsoever?
> > > 
> > > THAT is the whole issue. They are convinced that
> > > people CARE about the things they say, as if they
> > > "mattered." They don't. They're gnats. The only
> > > thing one can do with gnats -- out of compassion,
> > > you understand -- is to remind them every so often
> > > of their gnatitudeness.  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[Share Long]

Not amazing at all IMO.  I personally know of the TMO's penchant for 
cleanliness.  OTOH I had already told turq that I had never before seen nor 
heard of Maharishi being superstitious though I believed him when he said that 
Maharishi wouldn't enter the room.  Nabby's explanation, that the room had not 
been cleaned and that's why Maharishi did not enter, made perfect sense to me.  
   





 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:38 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
Engineered Food
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it.  And it still passed me by!  It 
> seems reasonable to me.  What have I missed?

Amazing.

Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could
both mean the room hadn't been cleaned yet.

Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could
also both mean the room *had* been cleaned.

> 
>  From: salyavin808 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> Engineered Food
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > huh?!  turq, I never heard that one!  You aren't doing an irony 
> > > thing, are you?!
> > 
> > A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The 
> > world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ?
> >
> 
> "A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned"
> 
> That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite
> reasonable until you stop and think about it
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness - Hardware and Software

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
[...]
> 
> It's amazing how easy it is to overlook.
> 
> Some scientific folks insist very firmly that the sense of
> self is just an illusion that processes in the brain create.
> 
> Oh? And what/who is being fooled by it?
>

Those same scientists often embrace Buddhism because it is "realistic." Susan 
Blackmore practices daily affirmations to remind herself that her self isn't 
real.

Mindfulness and concentrative meditation practices tend to suppress the 
activity of the parts of the brain thought to be responsible for "sense of 
self."  This worship of no-self has led to one neuroscientist who is a victim 
of a severe stroke, which coincidentally damaged the parts of her brain that 
such practices suppress, to write a book called _My Stroke of Insight_ where 
she celebrates her enlightenment and balanced brain functioning (brought about 
by the selective damage).

I tend to wince at the mindfulness advocates in the scientific community, if 
you haven't guessed that already.

L

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Petition to offer meditation in schools

[sparaig]

U

This appears to be a ploy to get his book better known.

Mark Landau is the author of the book he is advocating everyone read to learn 
how to do the meditation he advocates the US encourage all students to learn.

Though, it is an interesting idea that the DLF might want to try,


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Mark Landau [mailto:m...@iloveyouandforgiveyou.org] 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:42 AM
> To: Rick Archer
> Subject: Petition to offer meditation in schools
> 
>  
> 
> Hey Rick, would you post this to FFL and consider posting it to your
> Facebook page? Hope things are good with you. Many thanks, m
> 
>  
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
>  
> 
> Please consider reading, signing and sharing this petition.
> 
>  
> 
> https://www.change.org/petitions/arne-duncan-and-tony-miller-us-secretary-an
> d-deputy-secretary-of-education-offer-the-love-forgiveness-meditation-in-50-
> school-pilot-projects
> 
>  
> 
> I believe any noise made about teaching meditation in our schools carries
> positive potential for our country and the world.
> 
>  
> 
> If I can get to 100 signatures, Change.org   help kicks
> in.
> 
>  
> 
> Many thanks and well wishes to all of you,
> 
>  
> 
> m
> 
> iloveyouandforgiveyou.org  
> 
> The Love and Forgiveness Meditation
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What are Dreams?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
(snip)
> >> As for dreams, I was thinking if one has a vision, is 
> >> that real, or just a dream one had a vision. Was it an 
> >> hallucination? Are spiritual experiences just
> >> hallucinations?
> > 
> > Define "real."
> 
> Is the the hard question in another form?

No, I was asking how you were defining "real" with regard
to subjective experience. As far as I'm concerned,
subjective experience should be considered just as real as
anything else, on its own terms. Whether the experience
corresponds to external reality is a different question.



 For me experience is real, but the quality of experience and thought about 
experience is subject to distortion shall we say (or not say if you disagree). 
By quality of experience I mean sensory experience, which is sometimes 
misleading or incomplete because of the way the brain fills in to interpret the 
data stream (I am not talking about thinking here). As for thought, this is a 
representation of all else that is experienced, but as a representation it is 
not what that all else is, though the thought itself is an experience. Memory 
is another problem, as research seems to show that when we retrieve a memory, 
it gets rewritten, and the memory can change in this process, so it becomes a 
poorer representation of whatever event we once experienced. If you can come up 
with a better way to defines these terms I would like to hear it, at least we 
might eventually be on the same page as to the definintion of words, or maybe 
in the same book somewhere.
> > 
> >> Because individual minds seem so different and interpret the world with 
> >> such different perspectives, are we just local realities in a larger 
> >> reality, or hallucinations in a larger reality?
> > 
> > Whose hallucinations?
> 
> This is another question of interest. My thought on this is
> there is the field of experience, but there is no one, no
> who, that has them. There is no entity that has experience,
> it just simply exists that way, unadorned.

This strikes me as unhealthy in the extreme.




 So I think of this question as not the right question to ask, though at some 
stage of pondering what reality might be, it is probably a very useful question.
> > 
> >> I tend to think that thought creates a reality or the appearance of 
> >> reality, if the thoughts are taken at least as seriously as what they 
> >> point to. 
> >> 
> >> I also think most take thoughts more seriously than what they point to and 
> >> mask the underlying reality, which while it seems to have a texture, so to 
> >> speak, is undefined, except when we think. No thoughts, no mantra in 
> >> meditation gives an experiential clue as to that undefined reality, of 
> >> which one cannot speak, but that is just the beginning step in the process 
> >> of attempting to discover what that 'what one cannot define' is. The real 
> >> goal is to apprehend that undefined value when wide awake and in activity 
> >> in every aspect of experience.
> > 
> > Er, yes, TM 101. 
> 
> Well, I am a simpleton.
> > 
> > But also throughout the range of nonwaking state, including
> > dreaming and deep sleep. John was speculating about whether 
> > "apprehension of the undefined value" while dreaming would
> > enable solutions to waking-state problems. Barry didn't get
> > this, or chose to misunderstand John as referring to a dream
> > of transcendence, i.e., a dream of the absence of experience
> > as that state occurs in meditation when there are no thoughts
> > and no mantra, an impossibility by definition (but not what
> > John had in mind at all).
> >
> Gotta go. Family intervenes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: IRS: YOU'RE FIRED!

[Richard J. Williams]

"And 2010 was the year Democrats went full bore 
pressuring the IRS to investigate nonprofit 
politicking, which resulted in the IRS targeting 
Tea Party and other nonprofit applicants who 
were ideological opponents."

"Letters from 10 high-profile Democrats to 
then-IRS commissioner Doug Shulman pressured the 
IRS to investigate nonprofit politicking, even 
threatening legislation to change IRS standards 
if the IRS didn't act."

'Political Pressure on the IRS Began
'http://tinyurl.com/pmu9q97


> "However, after learning that the practice had 
> stopped and that the inspector general was 
> investigating, Shulman said he didn't tell 
> anyone..."
> 
> 'IRS replaces official in tea party controversy'
> Associated Press:
> http://tinyurl.com/o4mltuu
> 
> 'Schumer and Franken Dodging Questions About IRS'
> http://tinyurl.com/ne84xa5
>

[FairfieldLife] All the Way to the Top?

[Richard J. Williams]

"If the voters had known in October about the IRS, 
Benghazi, AP and Fox News scandals, Obama would not 
have been elected!" "Government agencies were used 
to persecute political opponents in an election 
year." Go figure.

'Lois Lerner Directly Involved in IRS Targeting'
The Corner:
http://tinyurl.com/omhk2zp

'Tax Prof: Day 15'
http://tinyurl.com/nbnlsxmHow 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > huh?! turq, I never heard that one! You aren't doing an 
> > irony thing, are you?!
> 
> You haven't been paying attention. I think irony is
> for pussies.

What does it mean when someone who thinks irony is for
pussies is always saying things that are inadvertently
ironic, I wonder?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it.  And it still passed me by!  It 
> seems reasonable to me.  What have I missed?

Amazing.

Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could
both mean the room hadn't been cleaned yet.

Chairs on the tables and chairs on the floor could
also both mean the room *had* been cleaned.


> 
>  From: salyavin808 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> Engineered Food
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > huh?!  turq, I never heard that one!  You aren't doing an irony 
> > > thing, are you?!
> > 
> > A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The 
> > world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ?
> >
> 
> "A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned"
> 
> That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite
> reasonable until you stop and think about it
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness - Hardware and Software

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> 
> ---  Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Jason, I liked your analogy and I think Judy asks a valid
> > question.  What say you?
> > 
> > ---  "Jason"  wrote:
> > >
> > (snip)
> > > Allow me to rephrase the topic.
> > > 
> > > Judy's thesis is this.  There is a dark room. You are inside 
> > > it in darkness.  There is bright light outside. The windows 
> > > are covered with blinds with no light coming in.
> > > 
> > > You slowly open it a little bit with very dim light coming 
> > > in. Later you let some more light come in.  it's brighter. 
> > > Again later you allow a little more light to come in.
> > > 
> > > The room slowly become brighter and brighter until it's 
> > > fully illuminated from the light outside.
> > > 
> > > Salyawin's thesis is this.  You are in a dark room.  You 
> > > have a bulb and very tiny batteries.  You connect the 
> > > batteries to the bulb and get a very dim light.  
> > > 
> > > Later, you connect it to a bigger set of batteries and the 
> > > light is slightly brighter.  A little later, you connect it 
> > > to a even larger battery and so on.
> > > 
> > > The room becomes brighter and brighter untill it's fully 
> > > illuminated with powerfull batteries.
> > > 
> > > Which is could be correct?
> > > 
> > > If consciousness is an emergent phenomena that comes from 
> > > the ability to sense the outside universe, it would need the 
> > > hardware. It would be objective.
> > > 
> > > If consciousness came from the intelligence of the totality 
> > > of nature's laws, it's a software issue.  The Qualia aspect 
> > > of reality is interesting. It's subjective.
> > > 
> > > Bring it on, Xeno Taxius, Judy, Salyawin. 
> > >
> ---  "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > How do you account for the "you" in either of the above
> > scenarios? Where did it come from?
> 
> Could it be that the self-awareness or the feeling of "I am" 
> is inherent or intrinsic in everything starting from an 
> electron.

Wl...maybe.

> If every electron "knows" the position of every other 
> electron in the universe..
> 
> I think you nailed me.  Got to give you credit.  Well played 
> Judy.

It's amazing how easy it is to overlook.

Some scientific folks insist very firmly that the sense of
self is just an illusion that processes in the brain create.

Oh? And what/who is being fooled by it?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[Share Long]

Salyavin, I stopped and thought about it.  And it still passed me by!  It seems 
reasonable to me.  What have I missed?  





 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:05 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
Engineered Food
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > huh?!  turq, I never heard that one!  You aren't doing an irony thing, 
> > are you?!
> 
> A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The 
> world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ?
>

"A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned"

That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite
reasonable until you stop and think about it


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge

[sound of stillness]

How many seeds have been germinated from Guru Dev's Grace?

Transcendental Meditation Organization

Others?

How many people other than in India have  learned TM through the TMO in the 
past 12 months? Past 36? 

How many TM Centers are there in the USA?

Is the TMO sustainable without donations, scholarships?

Other than having 325,000? Pandits in India what is the Grande Plan for the 
next 20 years for the rest of the global village?

What plans are in place to transition to the next generation of Rajas?

If an organization were to allocate the TMO $1 Billion for each continent per 
year for the next 20 years would there be professional management in place to 
make the best use of the funds?

Jai Guru Dev


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
>
> Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge
> Catalina Island, USA, 10 October, 1961
> 
> 
> Maharishi speaks about his divine master Guru Dev, His Divinity Brahmanand 
> Saraswati, Jagadguru Bhagavan Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Bhadrikashram, 
> Himalayas
> 
> "As Shakaracharya, he was found to have the great intellect of the first 
> Shankaracharya and the heart of Buddha, the loveable, soft heart of Buddha 
> and the great intellect of Shankara, and that was his personality. He 
> wouldn't go much in details of the philosophical discussions, but what he 
> spoke was simple truths of life, but very simple, so piercing they went 
> straight home to heart.
> 
>  Those were the meetings in open air—all the time in open, except in the 
> rains, open air meetings. We used to have sixteen, twenty, twelve, eight, 
> twelve big, big mics to cover the range of about 50,000 people, 100,000 
> people—like that, just for his evening discourses. And he would hardly speak 
> thirty minutes, forty. Forty minutes was the maximum that he went sometimes. 
> But every word that he spoke was so powerful, was so piercing, was so 
> convincing.
> 
> First people would see him and would be transformed to all good life. 
> Whatever remained there, buried in the subconscious, will come out when they 
> hear his words.
> 
> Very great atheists have just been transformed, not by the logic or not by 
> the deep exposition of anything great which they did not know before, but the 
> truth exposed in so simple words and in such great force of life-force, that 
> they couldn't but only be transformed. The motorcar will pass from there and 
> he would be speaking, and if the car is not very fast, if the driver happens 
> to hear some words, immediately he'll put up the break and stop and 
> listen—can't pass on; he has to stop. Such charm was there in his words, and 
> such great simplicity and depth of thought, and he charmed the child and the 
> old all alike. It was a pin-drop silence of 50,000, 100,000 people, just 
> pin–drop.
>  
> Before him used to speak some big, learned Pandits—famous, big, learned 
> Pandits of northern India. They go with Shakaracharya all the time. That is 
> customary, some famous astrologers in his retinue, some big, famous 
> professors of Vedant, of Yoga—all these, they go along with him. So these 
> big, big, huge intellectual giants used to speak before him. Some would speak 
> one hour, some would speak half an hour like that, and there was a marked 
> difference in what they spoke and what he spoke.
> 
> And for initiations it was, it was, it was an unprecedented gathering to take 
> initiations from him. Just it was tremendous, tremendous. Those who have seen 
> those days have been so fortunate, and those who have seen me moving about in 
> that atmosphere, they know how the grace of Guru Dev has dawned and how when 
> they hear the stories in these parts, how it is happening, what is happening, 
> then they say: Oh, it's not surprise, yes, he has received the grace of Guru 
> Dev. All but his grace and nothing else.
> 
> Except his grace, I don't have anything, and God willing the whole world is 
> going to enjoy. So we are fortunate, and all of you are very fortunate to 
> have his grace so far from India, but the fortune is there. Only we have to 
> share our fortune with all our fellow men, and we have to do our utmost what 
> we can to bring this meditation to all the people in all the ways possible 
> for everyone of us.
> 
> This, if I could have some real, good cooperation of all the people who come 
> in my contact, it would be something. The whole world will become so full 
> with all sublime essence of human life. Humanity will be changed into 
> divinity just direct. We have seen his life, so we know what divine could be 
> in man's life: just fullness of divinity. That is all the strength that I 
> have, and that you should fee in yourself. Such great power, such great 
> wisdom, such great bliss.
> That is something about Guru Dev.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > huh?!  turq, I never heard that one!  You aren't doing an irony thing, 
> > are you?!
> 
> A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The 
> world is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ?
>


"A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned"

That's the sort of statement that can pass you by as being quite
reasonable until you stop and think about it

[FairfieldLife] Global March Against Monsanto Tomorrow (May 25th)

[Bhairitu]

May 25th at 2 PM at locations across the world.  Find your local march here:
http://occupy-monsanto.com/march-against-monsanto-may-25-2013/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[Share Long]

Plus I've heard that the cotton crops, at least in India, are given heavy doses 
of pesticides, so in that case, even cotton isn't ideal.  And a friend who 
worked in a clothing warehouse mentioned that big crates of clothing are packed 
with pesticides to keep the bugs out during shipment.  He never wore anything 
new before washing it.  





 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
Engineered Food
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> I also heard Maharishi say, and I'll paraphrase, that wearing unnatural 
> fabrics would cause unfamiliar diseases for which there is no known cure.

Thanks Share. That could be many fabrics today ofcourse. Maharishi only wore 
silk and encouraged everyone to do the same or wear pure cotton. It seems they 
are also now genetically modefying cotton. "They" are probably Montsanto, the 
same company that graced the world with Agent Orange.


>  From: nablusoss1008 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:31 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> Engineered Food
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of 
> > spirituality we discuss on FFL?  So why would Buck a conservative meditator 
> > be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's  where FFL and FF as a 
> > community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual 
> > and spiritual Fairfield.  Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in 
> > the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating 
> > together.  Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us 
> > that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice.  Now that the 
> > health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I 
> > certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum 
> > and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group 
> > meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it 
> > arrives,
> > -Buck
> 
> And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO 
> and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> huh?!  turq, I never heard that one!  You aren't doing an irony thing, are 
> you?!

A room with a chair upside down simply means it hasn't been cleaned. The world 
is full of rooms, why enter one that is unclean ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> I also heard Maharishi say, and I'll paraphrase, that wearing unnatural 
> fabrics would cause unfamiliar diseases for which there is no known cure.


Thanks Share. That could be many fabrics today ofcourse. Maharishi only wore 
silk and encouraged everyone to do the same or wear pure cotton. It seems they 
are also now genetically modefying cotton. "They" are probably Montsanto, the 
same company that graced the world with Agent Orange.



>  From: nablusoss1008 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:31 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> Engineered Food
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of 
> > spirituality we discuss on FFL?  So why would Buck a conservative meditator 
> > be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's  where FFL and FF as a 
> > community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual 
> > and spiritual Fairfield.  Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in 
> > the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating 
> > together.  Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us 
> > that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice.  Now that the 
> > health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I 
> > certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum 
> > and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group 
> > meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it 
> > arrives,
> > -Buck
> 
> And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO 
> and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
>
> Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge
> Catalina Island, USA, 10 October, 1961
> 
> 
> Maharishi speaks about his divine master Guru Dev, His Divinity Brahmanand 
> Saraswati, Jagadguru Bhagavan Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Bhadrikashram, 
> Himalayas
> 
> "As Shakaracharya, he was found to have the great intellect of the first 
> Shankaracharya and the heart of Buddha, the loveable, soft heart of Buddha 
> and the great intellect of Shankara, and that was his personality. He 
> wouldn't go much in details of the philosophical discussions, but what he 
> spoke was simple truths of life, but very simple, so piercing they went 
> straight home to heart.
> 
>  Those were the meetings in open air—all the time in open, except in the 
> rains, open air meetings. We used to have sixteen, twenty, twelve, eight, 
> twelve big, big mics to cover the range of about 50,000 people, 100,000 
> people—like that, just for his evening discourses. And he would hardly speak 
> thirty minutes, forty. Forty minutes was the maximum that he went sometimes. 
> But every word that he spoke was so powerful, was so piercing, was so 
> convincing.
> 
> First people would see him and would be transformed to all good life. 
> Whatever remained there, buried in the subconscious, will come out when they 
> hear his words.
> 
> Very great atheists have just been transformed, not by the logic or not by 
> the deep exposition of anything great which they did not know before, but the 
> truth exposed in so simple words and in such great force of life-force, that 
> they couldn't but only be transformed. The motorcar will pass from there and 
> he would be speaking, and if the car is not very fast, if the driver happens 
> to hear some words, immediately he'll put up the break and stop and 
> listen—can't pass on; he has to stop. Such charm was there in his words, and 
> such great simplicity and depth of thought, and he charmed the child and the 
> old all alike. It was a pin-drop silence of 50,000, 100,000 people, just 
> pin–drop.
>  
> Before him used to speak some big, learned Pandits—famous, big, learned 
> Pandits of northern India. They go with Shakaracharya all the time. That is 
> customary, some famous astrologers in his retinue, some big, famous 
> professors of Vedant, of Yoga—all these, they go along with him. So these 
> big, big, huge intellectual giants used to speak before him. Some would speak 
> one hour, some would speak half an hour like that, and there was a marked 
> difference in what they spoke and what he spoke.
> 
> And for initiations it was, it was, it was an unprecedented gathering to take 
> initiations from him. Just it was tremendous, tremendous. Those who have seen 
> those days have been so fortunate, and those who have seen me moving about in 
> that atmosphere, they know how the grace of Guru Dev has dawned and how when 
> they hear the stories in these parts, how it is happening, what is happening, 
> then they say: Oh, it's not surprise, yes, he has received the grace of Guru 
> Dev. All but his grace and nothing else.
> 
> Except his grace, I don't have anything, and God willing the whole world is 
> going to enjoy. So we are fortunate, and all of you are very fortunate to 
> have his grace so far from India, but the fortune is there. Only we have to 
> share our fortune with all our fellow men, and we have to do our utmost what 
> we can to bring this meditation to all the people in all the ways possible 
> for everyone of us.
> 
> This, if I could have some real, good cooperation of all the people who come 
> in my contact, it would be something. The whole world will become so full 
> with all sublime essence of human life. Humanity will be changed into 
> divinity just direct. We have seen his life, so we know what divine could be 
> in man's life: just fullness of divinity. That is all the strength that I 
> have, and that you should fee in yourself. Such great power, such great 
> wisdom, such great bliss.
> That is something about Guru Dev.


Beautiful, thanks for posting !

[FairfieldLife] FW: Petition to offer meditation in schools

[Rick Archer]

 

 

From: Mark Landau [mailto:m...@iloveyouandforgiveyou.org] 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:42 AM
To: Rick Archer
Subject: Petition to offer meditation in schools

 

Hey Rick, would you post this to FFL and consider posting it to your
Facebook page? Hope things are good with you. Many thanks, m

 

Hi everyone,

 

Please consider reading, signing and sharing this petition.

 

https://www.change.org/petitions/arne-duncan-and-tony-miller-us-secretary-an
d-deputy-secretary-of-education-offer-the-love-forgiveness-meditation-in-50-
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I believe any noise made about teaching meditation in our schools carries
positive potential for our country and the world.

 

If I can get to 100 signatures, Change.org   help kicks
in.

 

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The Love and Forgiveness Meditation

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eclipse Pic

[Carol]

What a beautiful photo. TY!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> In this May 20, 2012 file photo, hikers watch an annular eclipse from
> Papago Park in Phoenix. The annular eclipse, in which the moon passes in
> front of the sun leaving only a golden ring around its edges, was
> visible to wide areas across China, Japan and elsewhere in the region
> before moving across the Pacific to be seen in parts of the western
> United States.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> huh?! turq, I never heard that one! You aren't doing an 
> irony thing, are you?!

You haven't been paying attention. I think irony is
for pussies. 

No, I actually witnessed this, at Squaw Valley in
1968. The cleaning crew had left a number of chairs
upside down on tables in the large meeting room we
were supposed to use, and Maharishi arrived early.

He took one look inside, turned white as a ghost,
and backed out of the room. He refused to enter it
until all of the chairs had been set upright again.

Go figure. 

But we *are*, after all, talking about the same guy
who interpreted an icicle forming on his balcony as
a divinely-created Shiva lingam. Based on the time 
I spent around him, I would have to classify MMY
as one of the most superstitious people I've ever
met. 


> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 8:29 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> Engineered Food
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > I also heard Maharishi say, and I'll paraphrase, that wearing 
> > unnatural fabrics would cause unfamiliar diseases for which 
> > there is no known cure.
> 
> Yeah, but Maharishi was also so superstitious that he'd
> refuse to enter a room in which a chair was upside down.
> So I'd take any "warnings" of his with a shaker of salt.
> 
> > 
> >  From: nablusoss1008 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:31 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> > Engineered Food
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of 
> > > spirituality we discuss on FFL?  So why would Buck a conservative 
> > > meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's  where FFL and 
> > > FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things 
> > > spiritual and spiritual Fairfield.  Well, obviously firstly I am most 
> > > interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of 
> > > meditators meditating together.  Science and our long spiritual 
> > > experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount 
> > > spiritual practice.  Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's 
> > > to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair 
> > > warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the 
> > > danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is 
> > > forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives,
> > > -Buck
> > 
> > And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of 
> > GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What are Dreams?

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
>>>  wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>>
>> I was thinking that if a person had transcendental dreams, 
>> then the solutions to problems in the waking consciousness 
>> would be rehearsed and reenacted during the dream state in 
>> a blissful way. He or she would then actually perform a 
>> creative solution during the waking state to fix the 
>> problem, whether it be in relationships or work issues.
> 
> Sometimes John's cluelessness amazes me, even after 
> all this time. There can never be any such thing as
> a remembered "transcendental dream," because if it
> had any attributes you can remember, it wasn't 
> transcendental. 
> 
> If you disagree, describe a period of "transcendence" 
> that you experienced in TM for me. In detail. I'll 
> wait... :-)
>
 Okay, I'll start, but it might be a while before you hear anything, 
 perhaps forever, so in the spirit of anticipation, hold your breath until 
 you hear from me.
 
 This tread got me thinking 'is anything transcendental'? The mind imagines 
 that there is a 'transcendent', but is there? Whatever we might think 
 about the nature of consciousness, we all have experiences, which in 
 aggregate is just experience. If we define experience in general, as a 
 field, nothing happens outside experience in general whether the 
 experience is something like a coffee pot, or what we call transcendence 
 in meditation. But transcendence is not outside experience, it is just 
 another flavour or qualia of experience.
>>> 
>>> If you want to *redefine* experience as a "field,"
>>> maybe you could get away with this. But by the normal
>>> definition of "experience," transcendental pure
>>> consciousness in meditation (no thoughts, no mantra)
>>> isn't "an experience," it's the *absence* of experience,
>>> beyond experience. As Barry points out, it's
>>> attributeless, qualia-less.
>> 
>> I was kinda playing with the words. We use these words a lot, but exactly 
>> how do all these words that we refer to consciousness, being, pure 
>> consciousness, transcendence, relate to one another, and that depends on how 
>> we define them, and understand those definitions.
>> 
>> Does 'pure consciousness' equal 'being' or is there some subtle difference? 
>> Is the absence of experience conscious or not? Is there such a thing as 
>> non-existence as opposed to existence if were are on the level of being?
>>> 
>>> By "transcendental dream," John was most likely
>>> referring to witnessing the experience of dreaming,
>>> not having a dream of the transcendent. Barry could
>>> have figured that out, but he preferred to ignore
>>> what John wrote ("problems...rehearsed and reenacted
>>> during the dream state in a blissful way") so he
>>> could put John down.
>>>
>> My first comment was primarily aimed at Turq's last paragraph. 
>> 
>> As for dreams, I was thinking if one has a vision, is that real, or just a 
>> dream one had a vision. Was it an hallucination? Are spiritual experiences 
>> just hallucinations?
> 
> Define "real."

Is the the hard question in another form? For me experience is real, but the 
quality of experience and thought about experience is subject to distortion 
shall we say (or not say if you disagree). By quality of experience I mean 
sensory experience, which is sometimes misleading or incomplete because of the 
way the brain fills in to interpret the data stream (I am not talking about 
thinking here). As for thought, this is a representation of all else that is 
experienced, but as a representation it is not what that all else is, though 
the thought itself is an experience. Memory is another problem, as research 
seems to show that when we retrieve a memory, it gets rewritten, and the memory 
can change in this process, so it becomes a poorer representation of whatever 
event we once experienced. If you can come up with a better way to defines 
these terms I would like to hear it, at least we might eventually be on the 
same page as to the definintion of words, or maybe in the same book somewhere.
> 
>> Because individual minds seem so different and interpret the world with such 
>> different perspectives, are we just local realities in a larger reality, or 
>> hallucinations in a larger reality?
> 
> Whose hallucinations?

This is another question of interest. My thought on this is there is the field 
of experience, but there is no one, no who, that has them. There is no entity 
that has experience, it just simply exists that way, unadorned. So I think of 
this question

[FairfieldLife] Alon Halel Geva: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 05/24/2013

[Rick Archer]

 


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[FairfieldLife] IRS: YOU'RE FIRED!

[Richard J. Williams]

"However, after learning that the practice had 
stopped and that the inspector general was 
investigating, Shulman said he didn't tell 
anyone..."

'IRS replaces official in tea party controversy'
Associated Press:
http://tinyurl.com/o4mltuu

'Schumer and Franken Dodging Questions About IRS'
http://tinyurl.com/ne84xa5

[FairfieldLife] LB Shriver

[Rick Archer]

Message: [From Jennifer and Doug Hamilton]

hi jonas and friends of LB

amazingly, LB is still with us. he is, true to form, taking the 'pace
of the elephant' through his transition. he is bed bound, very weak,
drinking sips and not eating. he is very quiet much of the time, which
is his greatest solace. meditation and inner work are his main focus
now.

his brother, TA, is visiting him...much healing there.

LB is getting 24/7 care. he is amazingly well controlled in his pain,
very lucid when awake (less often), and tender in his emotions for all
the love and attention flowing his way. the room is most definitely
filled with light. he has received alot of light work from those of us
attending him. meditating there with him is glorious. physically he is
radically diminishedbut the power of his years of practice has
built a mighty reservoir of chi that he is really living off of and
accounts for his amazing durability in this journey toward his
transition into the Life Eternal.

and thanks to all of you who have upheld our dear LB through this
momentous time in a life! that we should all be so lucky to have such
loving, devoted and generous friends!

as this continue to change, i will try to be more prompt about
reporting! please forgive my oversight on this!

please pass this on...

love and all blessings, jennifer and doug hamilton

P.S. from Jonas: I wrote Jennifer thanking her for all she is doing
for L.B. and let her know there certainly is no need to apologize.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What are Dreams?

[Richard J. Williams]

> > Perhaps me meant Witnessing Dreaming?
> >
turquoise:
> Then say so. I was quibbling over the sloppy use
> of language, that's all. If you're going to use
> the word "transcendental," and in a MMY context,
> at least have the grace to use it as he defined
> it.
>
"'Transcendental' means to go beyond; 'meditation'
means thinking. Hence, 'Transcendental Meditation'
means to go beyond thinking." - Charles Lutes

http://www.maharishiphotos.com/tmintro.html
   


> > Though, I've no reason to think that an arbitrary
> > dream, enlightened or no, is going to be more
> > important to the waking state if one is enlightened
> > or not.
>
> There are some (myself among them) who feel that
> developing the ability to do lucid dreaming (also
> referred to as Tibetan Dream Yoga) can be useful
> in teaching skills that will become useful when
> traversing the Bardo between death and rebirth.
> But to believe that, you have to believe in such
> transitions, and in reincarnation.
>
> There are also those (Native American shamans,
> for example) who believe that confronting one's
> fears in the dream plane help to develop the
> ability to do so more effectively when awake.
>
> But, as you say, none of these things have
> anything to do with enlightenment per se, and
> can be done by people who've never heard of
> the concept of enlightenment, and who do not
> seek it.
>
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , turquoiseb wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "John" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking that if a person had transcendental dreams,
> > > > then the solutions to problems in the waking consciousness
> > > > would be rehearsed and reenacted during the dream state in
> > > > a blissful way. He or she would then actually perform a
> > > > creative solution during the waking state to fix the
> > > > problem, whether it be in relationships or work issues.
> > >
> > > Sometimes John's cluelessness amazes me, even after
> > > all this time. There can never be any such thing as
> > > a remembered "transcendental dream," because if it
> > > had any attributes you can remember, it wasn't
> > > transcendental.
> > >
> > > If you disagree, describe a period of "transcendence"
> > > that you experienced in TM for me. In detail. I'll
> > > wait...  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion

[Share Long]

Hope all the Dr. RCs have a wonderful Memorial Day weekend (-:





 From: Ravi Chivukula 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion
 


  
Yeah dear Dr RC, Psy. D, UCLA - the compassionate, empathetic therapist. I love 
the man, he has a hard job to do. The pain, suffering, sacrifice the man had to 
endure.

But don't forget the other two RC's - fucking fundamentalists, cultists both. 
I'm telling you dear, they are out to get you - beware !!!



On May 23, 2013, at 10:58 AM, Share Long  wrote:


  
>thanks for being patient with me, Dr. RC
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ravi Chivukula 
>To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego distortion
> 
>
>
>  
>Salyavin,
>
>
>You missed my point, I was addressing Barry's unhealthy attention seeking 
>behavior not denying his or anyone's need for attention.
>
>
>Every one needs attention. I myself learned to find emotionally healthy ways 
>to express my need for attention which requires a healthy display of 
>vulnerability and I also learned to express empathy - as in acknowledge others 
>need for attention and their vulnerability.
>
>
>I learned all this, in a very hard way though, by my 30th year, and here's 
>Barry a 65 plus old adult emotionally stunted, no healthy of expressing 
>attention, no healthy ways of empathizing with others.
>
>
>Vulnerability equates to weakness, empathy equates to weakness. Share's 
>another - she is afraid she will be controlled by fundamentalists if she 
>displays any vulnerability.
>
>
>
>On May 23, 2013, at 9:25 AM, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
>
>  
>>
>>
>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
>>wrote:
>>>
>>> Barry Wright wants attention
>>
>>Why do you lot give him so much if you object to it?
>>
>>> 
>>> Barry Wright loves attention
>>> 
>>> Barry Wright would kill for attention
>>> 
>>> Yet he can't reveal it. He is the very troll, attention slut he accuses 
>>> others of. I call him emotionally stunted - a therapist, psychologist who 
>>> follow attachment theory may call him dismissive-avoidant.
>>> 
>>> He is a Rama/Lenz TB - now he had to yell and scream at others being TB's.
>>> 
>>> Share and Xeno are his fans.
>>> 
>>> Pathetic.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 23, 2013, at 8:41 AM, "Ann"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> > 
>>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > "I yam what I yam, as Popeye used to say. I don't
>>> > > really give much of a shit what other people think
>>> > > of what I yam."--Barry Wright, last week
>>> > > 
>>> > > The interesting thing about Barry's posts is
>>> > > that while he claims he doesn't give much of
>>> > > a shit what other people think of what he is,
>>> > > he still obviously wants to make absolutely
>>> > > sure we know what *he* thinks of what he is.
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Well that worked. :-)
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > Doc, I have no interest in anything you say because it's
>>> > > > always the same -- "**I** am > > being enlightened or even halfway 
>>> > > > intelligent here> and 
>>> > > > you're not!!!" 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > Because you'd obviously gotten *your* buttons pushed this
>>> > > > week by me stating obvious truths about the TMO and 
>>> > > > reminding people of your somewhat sordid FFL past, I 
>>> > > > figured I'd just "help you out the door" by pushing your 
>>> > > > buttons even more. And it worked. "You're toast, and I'm 
>>> > > > not." That's my counterpart of your act. :-)
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > You can rant your fantasies about my life all you want.
>>> > > > In fact, do so more often, and at the beginning of a 
>>> > > > week, so we don't have to listen to them all week. :-)
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > But I'll stand on the posts I make themselves. If any-
>>> > > > one actually *believes* that I was affected by anything
>>> > > > you said in your button-pushed rants this week, that is
>>> > > > their prerogative, and their folly. I just saw an oppor-
>>> > > > tunity to get you out of our hair, and took it. 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > And I might do it again next week, because frankly you're
>>> > > > too stupid to realize what's being done to you and learn
>>> > > > from it. Or I might just ignore your silly ass entirely, 
>>> > > > which will have exactly the same effect. :-)
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > It's YOU that yearns for attention, for pats on the back, 
>>> > > > and for "support" from your fellow minions, not me. THAT
>>> > > > is what put you on the bench. 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > While you're on the No Self Control Bench for the next
>>> > > > few days, say hello to all of your other multiple FFL
>>> > > > personalities for me. I, for one, can't wait to meet
>>> > > > the next one, when you dis

[FairfieldLife] baby's life saved with 3D printed device

[Share Long]

Sometimes Kurweil newsletter has the coolest news...


http://www.kurzweilai.net/babys-life-saved-with-3d-printed-device-to-restore-breathing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[Share Long]

huh?!  turq, I never heard that one!  You aren't doing an irony thing, are you?!





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 8:29 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
Engineered Food
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> I also heard Maharishi say, and I'll paraphrase, that wearing 
> unnatural fabrics would cause unfamiliar diseases for which 
> there is no known cure.

Yeah, but Maharishi was also so superstitious that he'd
refuse to enter a room in which a chair was upside down.
So I'd take any "warnings" of his with a shaker of salt.

> 
>  From: nablusoss1008 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:31 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> Engineered Food
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of 
> > spirituality we discuss on FFL?  So why would Buck a conservative meditator 
> > be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's  where FFL and FF as a 
> > community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual 
> > and spiritual Fairfield.  Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in 
> > the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating 
> > together.  Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us 
> > that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice.  Now that the 
> > health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I 
> > certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum 
> > and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group 
> > meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it 
> > arrives,
> > -Buck
> 
> And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO 
> and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge& L.B's Book on Dev?

[Richard J. Williams]

WLeed3:
> L.B's Book on Dev?
>
You might consider keying SHRIVER in the search box. 

LoL!

http://tinyurl.com/pah73ek

[FairfieldLife] Flying Bear is First to Levitate in TM Siddhis Program - Witnesses

[Ann]

Actually, now that I have your attention:
"In this April 26, 2012 file photo provided by the CU Independent, shows
a bear that wandered into the University of Colorado Boulder, Colo.,
dorm complex Williams Village falling from a tree after being
tranquilized by Colorado wildlife officials. Colorado University police
spokesman Ryan Huff said the bear was likely 1-3 years old and weighed
somewhere between 150-200 pounds."

[FairfieldLife] Eclipse Pic

[Ann]

In this May 20, 2012 file photo, hikers watch an annular eclipse from
Papago Park in Phoenix. The annular eclipse, in which the moon passes in
front of the sun leaving only a golden ring around its edges, was
visible to wide areas across China, Japan and elsewhere in the region
before moving across the Pacific to be seen in parts of the western
United States.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 71 worthless souls who voted against GMO labeling

[Jason]

The political-system should be accountable to the 'social
system'

It's the corporate-system that should be accountable to the
political-system, and not the other way around.

Right now things are upside-down.  A potential dystopia in
the making.

A 'socialistic political system' will balance out the
'capitalistic economic system'.  A sort of yin-yang balance.
  If the military and various other govt agencies are funded
by the state, why not the electoral system.

endoftheamericandream.com/archives/corporatism-is-not-capita
lism-7-things-about-the-monolithic-predator-corporations-tha
t-dominate-our-economy-that-every-american-should-know
 



---  Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Bought and paid for by big agra here are the 71 worthless Senators who
> voted against Senator Bernie Sanders amendment which would have
allowed
> GMO labeling:
>
> Alexander (R-TN)
> Ayotte (R-NH)
> Baldwin (D-WI)
> Barrasso (R-WY)
> Baucus (D-MT)
> Blunt (R-MO)
> Boozman (R-AR)
> Brown (D-OH)
> Burr (R-NC)
> Carper (D-DE)
> Casey (D-PA)
> Chambliss (R-GA)
> Coats (R-IN)
> Coburn (R-OK)
> Cochran (R-MS)
> Collins (R-ME)
> Coons (D-DE)
> Corker (R-TN)
> Cornyn (R-TX)
> Cowan (D-MA)
> Crapo (R-ID)
> Cruz (R-TX)
> Donnelly (D-IN)
> Durbin (D-IL)
>  Enzi (R-WY)
> Fischer (R-NE)
> Franken (D-MN)
> Gillibrand (D-NY)
> Graham (R-SC)
> Grassley (R-IA)
> Hagan (D-NC)
> Harkin (D-IA)
> Hatch (R-UT)
> Heitkamp (D-ND)
> Heller (R-NV)
> Hoeven (R-ND)
> Inhofe (R-OK)
> Isakson (R-GA)
> Johanns (R-NE)
> Johnson (D-SD)
> Johnson (R-WI)
> Kaine (D-VA)
> Kirk (R-IL)
> Klobuchar (D-MN)
> Landrieu (D-LA)
> Lee (R-UT)
> Levin (D-MI)
> McCain (R-AZ)
>  McCaskill (D-MO)
> McConnell (R-KY)
> Menendez (D-NJ)
> Moran (R-KS)
> Nelson (D-FL)
> Paul (R-KY)
> Portman (R-OH)
> Pryor (D-AR)
> Risch (R-ID)
> Roberts (R-KS)
> Rubio (R-FL)
> Scott (R-SC)
> Sessions (R-AL)
> Shaheen (D-NH)
> Shelby (R-AL)
> Stabenow (D-MI)
> Thune (R-SD)
> Toomey (R-PA)
> Udall (D-CO)
> Vitter (R-LA)
> Warner (D-VA)
> Warren (D-MA)
> Wicker (R-MS)
>
> BTW, my two Senators supported the amendment.  More here:
>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/23/gmo-labeling-bill-genetically-m\
odified-food_n_3325972.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> I also heard Maharishi say, and I'll paraphrase, that wearing 
> unnatural fabrics would cause unfamiliar diseases for which 
> there is no known cure.

Yeah, but Maharishi was also so superstitious that he'd
refuse to enter a room in which a chair was upside down.
So I'd take any "warnings" of his with a shaker of salt.

> 
>  From: nablusoss1008 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:31 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
> Engineered Food
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of 
> > spirituality we discuss on FFL?  So why would Buck a conservative meditator 
> > be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's  where FFL and FF as a 
> > community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual 
> > and spiritual Fairfield.  Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in 
> > the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating 
> > together.  Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us 
> > that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice.  Now that the 
> > health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I 
> > certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum 
> > and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group 
> > meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it 
> > arrives,
> > -Buck
> 
> And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO 
> and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge& L.B's Book on Dev?

[WLeed3]

Does he still have the papers on Guru Dev's talks? Is he going or intending 
 to publish such? Was it but a scam to raise moneys from at least 9 of us 
funding  him to do so? WAS ITA A SCAM? Perhaps he may speak on such before 
t long. 
 
Several including my self are will to proceed with what eve in necessary to 
 so publish including the funding for it in full. At least 3 were told upon 
 investing with this project & HIM, it was ready except for the  
appropriate cove for this tome. That may or may not be the case we know  not???
 
Hoping the man can hold his head high & be recognized for his works on  
this important project.  That would be a most fitting honor. One of  a life 
time of dedication to this & far more.
 
In a message dated 5/24/2013 7:24:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dickm...@lisco.com writes:



Guru Dev and  the Revival of Knowledge
Catalina  Island, USA, 10 October, 1961



Maharishi speaks about his  divine master Guru Dev, His Divinity Brahmanand 
Saraswati, Jagadguru Bhagavan  Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, 
Bhadrikashram, Himalayas

“As Shakaracharya, he was  found to have the great intellect of the first 
Shankaracharya and the heart of  Buddha, the loveable, soft heart of Buddha 
and the great intellect of  Shankara, and that was his personality. He wouldn’
t go much in details of the  philosophical discussions, but what he spoke 
was simple truths of life, but  very simple, so piercing they went straight 
home to heart.

Those were the meetings in  open air—all the time in open, except in the 
rains, open air meetings. We used  to have sixteen, twenty, twelve, eight, 
twelve big, big mics to cover the  range of about 50,000 people, 100,000 people—
like that, just for his evening  discourses. And he would hardly speak 
thirty minutes, forty. Forty minutes was  the maximum that he went sometimes. 
But every word that he spoke was so  powerful, was so piercing, was so 
convincing.

First people would see him  and would be transformed to all good life. 
Whatever remained there, buried in  the subconscious, will come out when they 
hear his words.

Very great atheists have  just been transformed, not by the logic or not by 
the deep exposition of  anything great which they did not know before, but 
the truth exposed in so  simple words and in such great force of life-force, 
that they couldn’t but  only be transformed. The motorcar will pass from 
there and he would be  speaking, and if the car is not very fast, if the 
driver happens to hear some  words, immediately he’ll put up the break and stop 
and listen—can’t pass on;  he has to stop. Such charm was there in his 
words, and such great simplicity  and depth of thought, and he charmed the 
child  
and the old all alike. It was a pin-drop silence of 50,000, 100,000 people, 
 just pin–drop.

Before him used to speak some big, learned  Pandits—famous, big, learned 
Pandits of northern India. They go with  Shakaracharya all the time. That is 
customary, some famous astrologers in his  retinue, some big, famous 
professors of Vedant, of Yoga—all these, they go  along with him. So these big, 
big, 
huge intellectual giants used to speak  before him. Some would speak one 
hour, some would speak half an hour like  that, and there was a marked 
difference in what they spoke and what he  spoke.

And for initiations it  was, it was, it was an unprecedented gathering to 
take initiations from him.  Just it was tremendous, tremendous. Those who 
have seen those days have been  so fortunate, and those who have seen me moving 
about in that atmosphere, they  know how the grace of Guru Dev has dawned 
and how when they hear the stories  in these parts, how it is happening, what 
is happening, then they say: Oh,  it's not surprise, yes, he has received 
the grace of Guru Dev. All but his  grace and nothing else.

Except his grace, I don’t  have anything, and God willing the whole world 
is going to enjoy. So we are  fortunate, and all of you are very fortunate to 
have his grace so far from  India, but the fortune is there. Only we have 
to share our fortune with all  our fellow men, and we have to do our utmost 
what we can to bring this  meditation to all the people in all the ways 
possible for everyone of  us.

This, if I could have some  real, good cooperation of all the people who 
come in my contact, it would be  something. The whole world will become so 
full with all sublime essence of  human life. Humanity will be changed into 
divinity just direct. We have seen  his life, so we know what divine could be 
in man’s life: just fullness of  divinity. That is all the strength that I 
have, and that you should fee in  yourself. Such great power, such great 
wisdom, such great  bliss.
That is something about Guru Dev.

[FairfieldLife] TM Axioms

[Buck]

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > We were COMMANDED by Jerry Jarvis to not attend lectures of other 
> > teachings, because, "The lecturer will warmly greet the TM initiator's 
> > being in the audience and thus the audience will ask itself 'Why is that TM 
> > teacher there except for him having doubts about TM?'"  
> >
> 
> Yep, that TM anti-saint fealty test is an axiom the meditating community has 
> nearly most wholly rejected.  Of course in contradiction Maharishi actually 
> sent people to see saints and other spiritual luminaries who were teachers.  
> Guru Dev certainly advocated it.   In contradiction?   So much for axioms. 
> 
>

If anything the anti-saint policy has turned the spotlight on TM's confusion.

  
> > Are you ignoring that dome badges are lost by anyone BUT Hegelin who would 
> > be on one of Rick's panels?  L.B. got banned, right?  
> >
> 
>  
> > Hegelin -- why was he there except that the movement is reaching out in 
> > desperation? 
> > 
> > Of course, Maharishi can be seen as ecumenical and all-embracing of 
> > everything divine in the actions of others, but that was just good 
> > marketing to keep the priests and nuns and others from getting upset while 
> > he raked in the millons.  Truth be told, TM practice comes along with TM 
> > philosophy, and TM philosophy has core axioms that are logically contrary 
> > to those of other religious efforts.  TM is a religion.  Period.
> > 
> > And, Judy, would you please take a stance on Hegelin's quote.  Do you agree 
> > with his precise wording? 
> > 
> > "In the yoga sutras of Patangali, which is the classic text of yoga, there 
> > are techniques to transcend -- transcending meditations for example -- 
> > which just take the mind like a rock to sink deeply into the transcendental 
> > source of thought."
> > 
> > Tell us YOUR CONTEXT if you want to be clear here, what you mean when you 
> > use the words "mind, consciousness, awareness." 
> > 
> > Do you, say, 90-100% believe that Hegelin is enlightened by your standards? 
> > Just asking for your hunch -- of course you can't know for sure.  If you 
> > think he's clear about definitions, then, well, I don't think there much 
> > hope that you're clear about definitions.  I think Hegelin is nothing more 
> > than a well rehearsed parrot, and the parrot was given the wrong aphorisms 
> > to spout by rote.  He's surface clever, and I bet he'd be exposed as a 
> > buffoon if, say, he'd agree to be interviewed by Rick instead of being on a 
> > panel and then ESCAPING FROM QUESTIONS.
> > 
> > Edg
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> > > (snip)
> > > > No way, Maharishi would have done the same panel that even faintly 
> > > > suggested there were "other meditations that could lead to
> > > > transcendence."
> > > 
> > > Maharishi himself said that, for pete's sake.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Consciousness - Hardware and Software

[Jason]

---  Share Long  wrote:
>
> Jason, I liked your analogy and I think Judy asks a valid
> question.  What say you?
> 
> 
> ---  "Jason"  wrote:
> >
> (snip)
> > Allow me to rephrase the topic.
> > 
> > Judy's thesis is this.  There is a dark room. You are inside 
> > it in darkness.  There is bright light outside. The windows 
> > are covered with blinds with no light coming in.
> > 
> > You slowly open it a little bit with very dim light coming 
> > in. Later you let some more light come in.  it's brighter. 
> > Again later you allow a little more light to come in.
> > 
> > The room slowly become brighter and brighter until it's 
> > fully illuminated from the light outside.
> > 
> > Salyawin's thesis is this.  You are in a dark room.  You 
> > have a bulb and very tiny batteries.  You connect the 
> > batteries to the bulb and get a very dim light.  
> > 
> > Later, you connect it to a bigger set of batteries and the 
> > light is slightly brighter.  A little later, you connect it 
> > to a even larger battery and so on.
> > 
> > The room becomes brighter and brighter untill it's fully 
> > illuminated with powerfull batteries.
> > 
> > Which is could be correct?
> > 
> > If consciousness is an emergent phenomena that comes from 
> > the ability to sense the outside universe, it would need the 
> > hardware. It would be objective.
> > 
> > If consciousness came from the intelligence of the totality 
> > of nature's laws, it's a software issue.  The Qualia aspect 
> > of reality is interesting. It's subjective.
> > 
> > Bring it on, Xeno Taxius, Judy, Salyawin. 
> >
> >
---  "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> How do you account for the "you" in either of the above
> scenarios? Where did it come from?
>

Could it be that the self-awareness or the feeling of "I am" 
is inherent or intrinsic in everything starting from an 
electron.

If every electron "knows" the position of every other 
electron in the universe..

I think you nailed me.  Got to give you credit.  Well played 
Judy.




---  "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
>
> Which side of a coin is the true side, heads or tails? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghan Students Protest Women's Equal Rights Decree

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Yep, these struggles are the steps of progress in enlarging equal rights for 
> all.  Om yes, How is Girish Varma and the TM movement doing in India with 
> women's rights?  Our India partners?  In the end even Girish will have been 
> seen to have helped in the fight for equal rights even for women.  
> Enlargement in the human experience of equal rights is the force of change 
> inherent in the Unified Field.  That is the human story on this planet.  It 
> is right and natural law that every human is born with, to experience the 
> Self as the Unified Field.  We must all fight to open this even for our 
> neighbor.  
>

We should be abdicating our responsibility as spiritual Americans if we 
withdraw only to have the Taliban enslave the women of that part of the world 
again and deny them their true spirituality.  Ignorance is way too expensive 
for all of us to endure. 



The Meissnner Effect [ME] of coherent consciousness now is a powerful weapon on 
our side.  We should deploy it aggressively and more widely.   Our public 
policy in science, technology, and human spirituality as Americans should be 
that everyone should come now to meditation.
> Our's is a liberation army on the move.
> -Buck in the Dome
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > >
> > > The decree on Elimination of Violence Against Women, which includes a ban 
> > > on child marriage and forced marriage, makes domestic violence a crime 
> > > and says rape victims cannot be prosecuted for adultery. It also outlaws 
> > > "ba'ad," a traditional practice of exchanging women or girls to settle 
> > > disputes or debts.
> > >
> > 
> > It is called civilizing; bringing equal rights to all.  Including the 
> > inalienable fundamental human right to transcend in all.  Enlarging equal 
> > rights is a large part and duty of Being American.  It is good we are there 
> > with the civilized part of the world in force.  It would be better if we 
> > could get the David Lynch Foundation in there too teaching the children in 
> > the schools how to meditate. 
> > -Buck in the Dome 
> >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Fundamentalism is hard to erase.  But Afghans now realize that they are 
> > > > under the watchful eyes of the modern world.  Will they eventually 
> > > > change?
> > > > 
> > > > http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-students-protest-womens-rights-decree-073905010.html
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[Share Long]

I also heard Maharishi say, and I'll paraphrase, that wearing unnatural fabrics 
would cause unfamiliar diseases for which there is no known cure.





 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:31 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically 
Engineered Food
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of 
> spirituality we discuss on FFL?  So why would Buck a conservative meditator 
> be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's  where FFL and FF as a 
> community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual 
> and spiritual Fairfield.  Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in the 
> welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating 
> together.  Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us 
> that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice.  Now that the 
> health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I 
> certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and 
> everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group 
> meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it 
> arrives,
> -Buck

And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO 
and proposed a ban on all GMO products.


 

[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge

[Dick Mays]

Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge
Catalina Island, USA, 10 October, 1961


Maharishi speaks about his divine master Guru Dev, His Divinity Brahmanand 
Saraswati, Jagadguru Bhagavan Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Bhadrikashram, 
Himalayas

“As Shakaracharya, he was found to have the great intellect of the first 
Shankaracharya and the heart of Buddha, the loveable, soft heart of Buddha and 
the great intellect of Shankara, and that was his personality. He wouldn’t go 
much in details of the philosophical discussions, but what he spoke was simple 
truths of life, but very simple, so piercing they went straight home to heart.

 Those were the meetings in open air—all the time in open, except in the rains, 
open air meetings. We used to have sixteen, twenty, twelve, eight, twelve big, 
big mics to cover the range of about 50,000 people, 100,000 people—like that, 
just for his evening discourses. And he would hardly speak thirty minutes, 
forty. Forty minutes was the maximum that he went sometimes. But every word 
that he spoke was so powerful, was so piercing, was so convincing.

First people would see him and would be transformed to all good life. Whatever 
remained there, buried in the subconscious, will come out when they hear his 
words.

Very great atheists have just been transformed, not by the logic or not by the 
deep exposition of anything great which they did not know before, but the truth 
exposed in so simple words and in such great force of life-force, that they 
couldn’t but only be transformed. The motorcar will pass from there and he 
would be speaking, and if the car is not very fast, if the driver happens to 
hear some words, immediately he’ll put up the break and stop and listen—can’t 
pass on; he has to stop. Such charm was there in his words, and such great 
simplicity and depth of thought, and he charmed the child and the old all 
alike. It was a pin-drop silence of 50,000, 100,000 people, just pin–drop.
 
Before him used to speak some big, learned Pandits—famous, big, learned Pandits 
of northern India. They go with Shakaracharya all the time. That is customary, 
some famous astrologers in his retinue, some big, famous professors of Vedant, 
of Yoga—all these, they go along with him. So these big, big, huge intellectual 
giants used to speak before him. Some would speak one hour, some would speak 
half an hour like that, and there was a marked difference in what they spoke 
and what he spoke.

And for initiations it was, it was, it was an unprecedented gathering to take 
initiations from him. Just it was tremendous, tremendous. Those who have seen 
those days have been so fortunate, and those who have seen me moving about in 
that atmosphere, they know how the grace of Guru Dev has dawned and how when 
they hear the stories in these parts, how it is happening, what is happening, 
then they say: Oh, it's not surprise, yes, he has received the grace of Guru 
Dev. All but his grace and nothing else.

Except his grace, I don’t have anything, and God willing the whole world is 
going to enjoy. So we are fortunate, and all of you are very fortunate to have 
his grace so far from India, but the fortune is there. Only we have to share 
our fortune with all our fellow men, and we have to do our utmost what we can 
to bring this meditation to all the people in all the ways possible for 
everyone of us.

This, if I could have some real, good cooperation of all the people who come in 
my contact, it would be something. The whole world will become so full with all 
sublime essence of human life. Humanity will be changed into divinity just 
direct. We have seen his life, so we know what divine could be in man’s life: 
just fullness of divinity. That is all the strength that I have, and that you 
should fee in yourself. Such great power, such great wisdom, such great bliss.
That is something about Guru Dev.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> One of Eileen Dannemann's early activisms on GMO's was getting the MUM food 
> services to inform their suppliers that MUM was not going to buy GMO food.  
> This was a long time ago.  That meant having the campus going over to be an 
> organic food service.  She dragged Bevan and the campus administration to it 
> and in a sequence she was able to tell Maharishi directly about it and bring 
> him to it.  He was always a practical guy about things like this.
> -Buck in the Dome

Much glory to this lady !

[FairfieldLife] NBC NEWS: Transcendental Meditation /High Blood Pressure

[merlin]

NBC NEWS: 

Transcendental Meditation 

/High Blood Pressure 

Clinical Trial 
___.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFOr37RTI3k

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> John FAgan withdrew from GMO science and founded Genetic ID around that same 
> time, so I doubt if MMY came up with the idea in a vacuum. I suspect that 
> John F. was explaining concerns he had to MMY and MMY triggered on the 
> implications for Ayurveda and came out with his stance.

I met John Fagan when I was working with the Natural Law Party.
We were attending a conference on GMOs at London University and
did a really interesting and entertaining presentation on what
he saw as the dangers.

He told us TMers that he had more to say back at our secret
UK HQ in a mansion in Kensington and I was quite excited at
getting what I thought would be some 'hot off the press' info
about GM.

Turned out to be another depressing introductory lecture into
vedic "science" with loads of bollocks about how GM alters the
intention of "nature" and will affect consciousness blah blah,
natural law blah blah, eternal karmic consequences blah blah.

I'm sure that deep down in his education he learned that DNA 
is a cross between a virus and a bacteria and never had any
intentions, it just makes copies of itself and does so very 
well but with the occasional mutation, the eventual accumulative upshot of 
which is life as we know it, all of which share common
genes and unique ones. No SCI required.

It did make me wonder whether the NLP stance was based on anything
other than mystical whimsy and whether I should be supportive of
what could be a useful science. 

But at the end of the day I think GM shouldn't be introduced until
we can be certain it isn't going to blow up in our faces one day.
That and the fact I don't like the idea of the world's food supply
being in the hands of biotech companies with their patented genes
and 'one use only' seeds that are dependent on their own brand pest-icide.

But then we've all been eating it for years without realising
anyway. Hey ho.



> L
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of 
> > > spirituality we discuss on FFL?  So why would Buck a conservative 
> > > meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's  where FFL and 
> > > FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things 
> > > spiritual and spiritual Fairfield.  Well, obviously firstly I am most 
> > > interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of 
> > > meditators meditating together.  Science and our long spiritual 
> > > experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount 
> > > spiritual practice.  Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's 
> > > to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair 
> > > warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the 
> > > danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is 
> > > forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives,
> > > -Buck
> > 
> > And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of 
> > GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fakest reviews you'll ever encounter?

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
>
> 
> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?&item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=6752#pdpTab
>

All or most of those might well be written by a ghost writer, or
whatever...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[Buck]

One of Eileen Dannemann's early activisms on GMO's was getting the MUM food 
services to inform their suppliers that MUM was not going to buy GMO food.  
This was a long time ago.  That meant having the campus going over to be an 
organic food service.  She dragged Bevan and the campus administration to it 
and in a sequence she was able to tell Maharishi directly about it and bring 
him to it.  He was always a practical guy about things like this.
-Buck in the Dome

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > John FAgan withdrew from GMO science and founded Genetic ID around that 
> > same time, so I doubt if MMY came up with the idea in a vacuum. I suspect 
> > that John F. was explaining concerns he had to MMY and MMY triggered on the 
> > implications for Ayurveda and came out with his stance.
> > 
> > L
> >
> 
> Eileen Dannemann " is considered the grandmother of many of the anti GMO 
> coalitions" also early spawned Maharishi, John Fagen and the now famous 
> activist, Jeffery Smith on the GMO subject.  
> 
>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of 
> > > > spirituality we discuss on FFL?  So why would Buck a conservative 
> > > > meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's  where FFL 
> > > > and FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about 
> > > > things spiritual and spiritual Fairfield.  Well, obviously firstly I am 
> > > > most interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers 
> > > > of meditators meditating together.  Science and our long spiritual 
> > > > experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of 
> > > > paramount spiritual practice.  Now that the health threatening 
> > > > mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I certainly feel 
> > > > it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum and 
> > > > everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group 
> > > > meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it 
> > > > arrives,
> > > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of 
> > > GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Fakest reviews you'll ever encounter?

[card]

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?&item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=6752#pdpTab

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> John FAgan withdrew from GMO science and founded Genetic ID around that same 
> time, so I doubt if MMY came up with the idea in a vacuum. I suspect that 
> John F. was explaining concerns he had to MMY and MMY triggered on the 
> implications for Ayurveda and came out with his stance.
> 
> L
>

Eileen Dannemann " is considered the grandmother of many of the anti GMO 
coalitions" also early spawned Maharishi, John Fagen and the now famous 
activist, Jeffery Smith on the GMO subject.  

 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of 
> > > spirituality we discuss on FFL?  So why would Buck a conservative 
> > > meditator be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's  where FFL and 
> > > FF as a community more ideally are about and well should be about things 
> > > spiritual and spiritual Fairfield.  Well, obviously firstly I am most 
> > > interested in the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of 
> > > meditators meditating together.  Science and our long spiritual 
> > > experience here clearly shows us that meditating together is of paramount 
> > > spiritual practice.  Now that the health threatening mechanisms of GMO's 
> > > to the human system is figured out I certainly feel it is urgent and fair 
> > > warning to meditators on this forum and everywhere to be aware of the 
> > > danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group meditation numbers. Forewarned is 
> > > forearmed; Avert the danger before it arrives,
> > > -Buck
> > 
> > And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of 
> > GMO and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[sparaig]

John FAgan withdrew from GMO science and founded Genetic ID around that same 
time, so I doubt if MMY came up with the idea in a vacuum. I suspect that John 
F. was explaining concerns he had to MMY and MMY triggered on the implications 
for Ayurveda and came out with his stance.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of 
> > spirituality we discuss on FFL?  So why would Buck a conservative meditator 
> > be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's  where FFL and FF as a 
> > community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual 
> > and spiritual Fairfield.  Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in 
> > the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating 
> > together.  Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us 
> > that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice.  Now that the 
> > health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I 
> > certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum 
> > and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group 
> > meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it 
> > arrives,
> > -Buck
> 
> And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO 
> and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Pro-GMO Scientist Refutes Genetically Engineered Food

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Om, So what is the connection between GMO's and the larger matters of 
> > spirituality we discuss on FFL?  So why would Buck a conservative meditator 
> > be spending any time on FFL writing about GMO's  where FFL and FF as a 
> > community more ideally are about and well should be about things spiritual 
> > and spiritual Fairfield.  Well, obviously firstly I am most interested in 
> > the welfare of the Dome meditation and the numbers of meditators meditating 
> > together.  Science and our long spiritual experience here clearly shows us 
> > that meditating together is of paramount spiritual practice.  Now that the 
> > health threatening mechanisms of GMO's to the human system is figured out I 
> > certainly feel it is urgent and fair warning to meditators on this forum 
> > and everywhere to be aware of the danger GMO's may pose to our Dome group 
> > meditation numbers. Forewarned is forearmed; Avert the danger before it 
> > arrives,
> > -Buck
> 
> And don't forget that Maharishi was the first to point out the dangers of GMO 
> and proposed a ban on all GMO products.
>

More accurately, actually in a sequence it was Eileen Dannemann who first 
brought it to the attention of the movement community and Maharishi.  She was 
the original anti GMO activist.