[FairfieldLife] Re: to feste
Below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi feste, I think FFL has an interesting quandry in that the vast majority of participants are at that stage in life that Piaget called Generativity which refers to the desire to pass along one's knowledge and wisdom to the younger generation. Share, this is a badly simplified and inaccurate understanding of Generativity. I've been reading on it. You might consider the fact (as you are repeating verbatim what you said in an earlier post), that your reduction of this concept to the above statement badly corrupts what it is, in essence. Don't lock in so easily to what you think. Except there is no younger generation on FFL! Share, how do you define younger generation? I was born in the 60's and was a small child living a sheltered existence during that decade - that puts me on the verge of a younger generation. Sal sound like he may also be a youngster. But, no matter, as you have the essence of the term and use of the term generativity incorrect, based on what I've read. And, add to that, most of us are content with our lives so not likely to change our opinions, etc. which got us to this point. How do you know this? Based on what people write here? That's a hella arrogant statement of assumption on your part. In my case, personally (yes, I will share something personal) completely not true in terms of being content (unfortunately, maybe) and the jump in assumption you make tying the concept of being content to not likely to change our opinions is a strange philosophy and reflects your position and how you operate here. Sounds like the formula for living in a dead zone to me. Plus, Judy and I are polar opposites not only in outlook but also in temperament. We will never agree. And, you slam the door shut again. And I'm fine with that. And, one more time for good measure. However, when she's presenting opinion for fact or truth, I will express disagreement. I'm not expecting to change her mind. But I think it's important to express what I think to be true. Express what you think to be *true* all you like, but realize Share, you don't have any idea if it really is *true*. Don't be scared now, I'm not going to reply to any reply you give, as I am taking in the enormity of the resentment you have towards me. I replied to this because of the *repeat* in your verbage, without having obviously explored for yourself what it was you were professing, after your last post of this concept. I found it fascinating to read you stating that you believe negative emotions release dangerous chemicals into the body and yet, your fear and resentments towards me are alive and well and have been for a year or two now. If you'd like me to give you some substantive tips on how to release them, let me know. I might be able to teach *you* something, younger generation that I am - you'd have a daughter my age Share, if you'd been a teenage mom. Don't underestimate the power of the younger generation to inform and educate the older one.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/16/2014 8:26 PM, feste37 wrote: It's not a matter of protection. It's simply that your harassment of Share is so persistent, so unpleasant, so obsessive, that it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. No one deserves to be pursued by a harridan like you, least of all Share, who knows how to preserve civil discourse even if you don't. Oh for God's sake and mine just leave it alone. If I were Share I would tell you to back off, mind your own business and assume I can look after myself. You treat her like an invalid. You're all so cloying and claustrophobic. Anyone with an iota of self respect would be insulted by all of your concern and it's about time Share showed a bit of independence and told you all to fuck off. Actually, I'm surprised Share hasn't told you lot to fuck off and just ignore all the attempts to correct her non-approved behaviour. Or is it that she must be assimilated or driven off the forum? Who knows, without this tedious correcting and fake concern that clogs the list this place might get to be worth reading again.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I don't hate Share, feste. I think she has some big problems she's unwilling to look at that hold her back from the person she could be. Wow, you're all heart. A lot of people would pay a fortune for such a thorough therapy and we get it for free! Most people keep it private though. Doctor/patient confidentiality and all that... And I can tell you exactly what she could say that would appease me in this particular case. Want to hear it? No. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I don't know why you bother, Share. This woman hates you and will take issue with whatever you say, however you say it. Nothing you could ever say would appease her.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/16/2014 8:26 PM, feste37 wrote: It's not a matter of protection. It's simply that your harassment of Share is so persistent, so unpleasant, so obsessive, that it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. No one deserves to be pursued by a harridan like you, least of all Share, who knows how to preserve civil discourse even if you don't. Oh for God's sake and mine just leave it alone. If I were Share I would tell you to back off, mind your own business and assume I can look after myself. You treat her like an invalid. You're all so cloying and claustrophobic. Anyone with an iota of self respect would be insulted by all of your concern and it's about time Share showed a bit of independence and told you all to fuck off. Actually, I'm surprised Share hasn't told you lot to fuck off and just ignore all the attempts to correct her non-approved behaviour. Or is it that she must be assimilated or driven off the forum? Who knows, without this tedious correcting and fake concern that clogs the list this place might get to be worth reading again. As I've said before, IMO Share has an ego-investment in all of this persecution herself, otherwise she wouldn't (as she often does) start up one of the harassment campaigns again after it's died down, just to get in the last word. That's her part in all of this. That said, it's pretty amazing that the perpetrators of this harassment really don't *get* how accurate my comparisons of it to a Jr. High School Mean Girls Club really are. Whenever their lives get boring (which seems to be often), they liven them up by pouncing on someone they perceive to be weaker, and attacking her. Judy is the worst. For her it's a lifestyle. My bet is that if you went back and really analyzed the traffic on Fairfield Life, you would be unable to find *a single week* in which she has *not* found the need to correct someone. Which, in her case, means belittle them and put them down as stupid so I can appear to be smart. This is just what she DOES. We can all speculate about what *caused* this behavior in her, but there is simply no question that the behavior is present. It was present when she first showed up on a.m.t. nearly twenty years ago, it has been present pretty much every week she was posting since then, and it is present now. For Judy, Descartes' I think, therefore I am had been reduced to I correct and put down and try to intimidate, therefore I am. She really, really, really can't live without it. Ann is just a follower, primarily in it for the pats on the head and the dog biscuits she gets from Yet Another Abuser She's Chosen To Follow. She did it with Robin, not just tolerating but *applauding* his abuse of others, and now she's doing it with Judy. Her version of Descartes' statement is I'm terrified that I'm not really *anything* unless I'm trying to put down the person I've been told to put down, and in that assessment she would actually be correct. She's nothing. Emily's more of a puzzle, in that she seems to have really, really, really developed her own personal vendetta against Share. It may have *started* with her just following the girls in the Mean Girls Club, but now the opportunity to dump on Share is pretty much the only thing that draws her back to FFL. She's addicted to Judy's playbook, having found it a good fit for herself. And interestingly, she's even more in denial about her real motivations for doing this (hatred) than Judy is. On some level, I think Judy may actually be aware of how insanely vindictive she is; I don't think Emily is, or will ever be. She's in complete denial. Jim, the last member of the Mean Girls Club, is just in it for the attention. He'll do *anything* and say *anything* to get attention. We *are*, after all, talking about the guy who pretended to be a woman on this forum for several months, as if the falsely claiming to be enlightened wasn't *enough*. But he also piles on because the persecution routine is a good fit for him because his solipsism is so strongly established that he can't really feel any empathy for the people whose persecution he piles on to. All in all, it's really quite an embarrassing soap opera, played out as it is on this forum day after day, week after week, month after month, and year after year. Judy orchestrated it by creating such a poisonous atmosphere that all of this actually feels normal to many people who have had to put up with it for all these years, but it's not. It's pathological, and even more sick in supposed adults than it is in the Jr. High School girls they're emulating.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/16/2014 8:26 PM, feste37 wrote: It's not a matter of protection. It's simply that your harassment of Share is so persistent, so unpleasant, so obsessive, that it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. No one deserves to be pursued by a harridan like you, least of all Share, who knows how to preserve civil discourse even if you don't. Oh for God's sake and mine just leave it alone. If I were Share I would tell you to back off, mind your own business and assume I can look after myself. You treat her like an invalid. You're all so cloying and claustrophobic. Anyone with an iota of self respect would be insulted by all of your concern and it's about time Share showed a bit of independence and told you all to fuck off. Actually, I'm surprised Share hasn't told you lot to fuck off and just ignore all the attempts to correct her non-approved behaviour. Or is it that she must be assimilated or driven off the forum? Who knows, without this tedious correcting and fake concern that clogs the list this place might get to be worth reading again. As I've said before, IMO Share has an ego-investment in all of this persecution herself, otherwise she wouldn't (as she often does) start up one of the harassment campaigns again after it's died down, just to get in the last word. That's her part in all of this. That said, it's pretty amazing that the perpetrators of this harassment really don't *get* how accurate my comparisons of it to a Jr. High School Mean Girls Club really are. Whenever their lives get boring (which seems to be often), they liven them up by pouncing on someone they perceive to be weaker, and attacking her. Judy is the worst. For her it's a lifestyle. My bet is that if you went back and really analyzed the traffic on Fairfield Life, you would be unable to find *a single week* in which she has *not* found the need to correct someone. Which, in her case, means belittle them and put them down as stupid so I can appear to be smart. This is just what she DOES. We can all speculate about what *caused* this behavior in her, but there is simply no question that the behavior is present. It was present when she first showed up on a.m.t. nearly twenty years ago, it has been present pretty much every week she was posting since then, and it is present now. For Judy, Descartes' I think, therefore I am had been reduced to I correct and put down and try to intimidate, therefore I am. She really, really, really can't live without it. Ann is just a follower, primarily in it for the pats on the head and the dog biscuits she gets from Yet Another Abuser She's Chosen To Follow. She did it with Robin, not just tolerating but *applauding* his abuse of others, and now she's doing it with Judy. Her version of Descartes' statement is I'm terrified that I'm not really *anything* unless I'm trying to put down the person I've been told to put down, and in that assessment she would actually be correct. She's nothing. Emily's more of a puzzle, in that she seems to have really, really, really developed her own personal vendetta against Share. It may have *started* with her just following the girls in the Mean Girls Club, but now the opportunity to dump on Share is pretty much the only thing that draws her back to FFL. She's addicted to Judy's playbook, having found it a good fit for herself. And interestingly, she's even more in denial about her real motivations for doing this (hatred) than Judy is. On some level, I think Judy may actually be aware of how insanely vindictive she is; I don't think Emily is, or will ever be. She's in complete denial. Jim, the last member of the Mean Girls Club, is just in it for the attention. He'll do *anything* and say *anything* to get attention. We *are*, after all, talking about the guy who pretended to be a woman on this forum for several months, as if the falsely claiming to be enlightened wasn't *enough*. But he also piles on because the persecution routine is a good fit for him because his solipsism is so strongly established that he can't really feel any empathy for the people whose persecution he piles on to. All in all, it's really quite an embarrassing soap opera, played out as it is on this forum day after day, week after week, month after month, and year after year. Judy orchestrated it by creating such a poisonous atmosphere that all of this actually feels normal to many people who have had to put up with it for all these years, but it's not. It's pathological, and even more sick in supposed adults than it is in the Jr. High School girls they're emulating. I suppose we should be happy for so much free entertainment. I remember enjoying the Mean Girls
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Sends U.S.Troops to Iraq
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Obama is in a tough situation. But the die has been cast. The US cannot get involved in an Islamic civil war. Why can't they? If they hadn't opened the door for sectarian violence and al-Queda in 2003 this wouldn't be happening. It isn't like they weren't warned... The Iraqis had their chance to forge a nation for their own benefit, but apparently cannot do so. This is the reason the US didn't invade Iraq after the first Gulf war, the best analysis showed that a Shia/Sunni rift was all but inevitable and without a long term stabilising force they'd be better off leaving Saddam in charge. Which didn't stop the US UK encouraging the southern marsh Arabs to rise up against Saddam, promising them any help in a revolution before pulling out and leaving them high and dry and facing severe reprisals from Saddam, which they got and the attrocities formed part of the dossier presented to British MP's about how we need to get rid of Saddam! If the country had to be divided due to religious reasons, let it be so. This may be the best answer, rather than having constant bombings in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq. It's inevitable, the region was split along Shia/Sunni lines for centuries before the French and British carved it up to benefit their own imperial ends, trouble is everyone is so fired up with jihad that any Islamic state will inevitably start planning more 9/11 type attacks. And we have big plans for Iraqi oil, which is supposed to be taking over when the Saudi wells start to run dry. All a bit of a pickle really
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : On 6/16/2014 8:26 PM, feste37 wrote: It's not a matter of protection. It's simply that your harassment of Share is so persistent, so unpleasant, so obsessive, that it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. No one deserves to be pursued by a harridan like you, least of all Share, who knows how to preserve civil discourse even if you don't. Oh for God's sake and mine just leave it alone. If I were Share I would tell you to back off, mind your own business and assume I can look after myself. You treat her like an invalid. You're all so cloying and claustrophobic. Anyone with an iota of self respect would be insulted by all of your concern and it's about time Share showed a bit of independence and told you all to fuck off. Actually, I'm surprised Share hasn't told you lot to fuck off and just ignore all the attempts to correct her non-approved behaviour. Or is it that she must be assimilated or driven off the forum? Who knows, without this tedious correcting and fake concern that clogs the list this place might get to be worth reading again. As I've said before, IMO Share has an ego-investment in all of this persecution herself, otherwise she wouldn't (as she often does) start up one of the harassment campaigns again after it's died down, just to get in the last word. That's her part in all of this. That said, it's pretty amazing that the perpetrators of this harassment really don't *get* how accurate my comparisons of it to a Jr. High School Mean Girls Club really are. Whenever their lives get boring (which seems to be often), they liven them up by pouncing on someone they perceive to be weaker, and attacking her. Judy is the worst. For her it's a lifestyle. My bet is that if you went back and really analyzed the traffic on Fairfield Life, you would be unable to find *a single week* in which she has *not* found the need to correct someone. Which, in her case, means belittle them and put them down as stupid so I can appear to be smart. This is just what she DOES. We can all speculate about what *caused* this behavior in her, but there is simply no question that the behavior is present. It was present when she first showed up on a.m.t. nearly twenty years ago, it has been present pretty much every week she was posting since then, and it is present now. For Judy, Descartes' I think, therefore I am had been reduced to I correct and put down and try to intimidate, therefore I am. She really, really, really can't live without it. Ann is just a follower, primarily in it for the pats on the head and the dog biscuits she gets from Yet Another Abuser She's Chosen To Follow. She did it with Robin, not just tolerating but *applauding* his abuse of others, and now she's doing it with Judy. Her version of Descartes' statement is I'm terrified that I'm not really *anything* unless I'm trying to put down the person I've been told to put down, and in that assessment she would actually be correct. She's nothing. Emily's more of a puzzle, in that she seems to have really, really, really developed her own personal vendetta against Share. It may have *started* with her just following the girls in the Mean Girls Club, but now the opportunity to dump on Share is pretty much the only thing that draws her back to FFL. She's addicted to Judy's playbook, having found it a good fit for herself. And interestingly, she's even more in denial about her real motivations for doing this (hatred) than Judy is. On some level, I think Judy may actually be aware of how insanely vindictive she is; I don't think Emily is, or will ever be. She's in complete denial. Jim, the last member of the Mean Girls Club, is just in it for the attention. He'll do *anything* and say *anything* to get attention. We *are*, after all, talking about the guy who pretended to be a woman on this forum for several months, as if the falsely claiming to be enlightened wasn't *enough*. But he also piles on because the persecution routine is a good fit for him because his solipsism is so strongly established that he can't really feel any empathy for the people whose persecution he piles on to. All in all, it's really quite an embarrassing soap opera, played out as it is on this forum day after day, week after week, month after month, and year after year. Judy orchestrated it by creating such a poisonous atmosphere that all of this actually feels normal to many people who have had to put up with it for all these years, but it's not. It's pathological, and even more sick in supposed adults than it is in the Jr. High School girls they're emulating. I suppose we should be happy for so much free entertainment. I remember enjoying the Mean Girls movie though, maybe because it didn't go on and
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment
I'll bet. :-) What's most hilarious is that they don't get it. Jimbo is so dumb he actually believes that Game Of Thrones is a children's fantasy, and of course Judy would never lower herself to watch something I like. Thus neither of them will ever figure out what scene I'm riffing on, where exactly Tywin Lannister is sitting, how *badly* he misunderstood and underestimated the people he believes he has a right to torment, what happens to him next, and how fitting a fate it is. It's like when I compared Judy to Meryl Streep's portrayal of the insane nun Sister Aloysius in Doubt. The parallel is perfect, but she'll never really get it because she's afraid to watch the movie. Same with Share and I comparing her to Dolores Umbridge in the Harry Potter books and movies. Her willful ignorance will keep her from ever getting how apt the comparisons are. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment I am smiling! From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 4:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment After watching the final episode of the season, I found myself thinking that Tywin Lannister is right up there in the all-time pantheon of egos who think they're better than the people they're used to intimidating, only to learn to their dismay -- and too late -- that they know nothing about them. He's right up there on that...uh...throne alongside the two J's -- Jimbo and Judy. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment
I've never seen Game of Thrones or read the books. I heard it was worth the effort but none of the books are numbered so I don't know which is the first! Someone should have a word with someone at the publishers about that.make it easy for us. And if it's been on terrestrial TV then it escaped my radar, probably on Sky or something ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'll bet. :-) What's most hilarious is that they don't get it. Jimbo is so dumb he actually believes that Game Of Thrones is a children's fantasy, and of course Judy would never lower herself to watch something I like. Thus neither of them will ever figure out what scene I'm riffing on, where exactly Tywin Lannister is sitting, how *badly* he misunderstood and underestimated the people he believes he has a right to torment, what happens to him next, and how fitting a fate it is. It's like when I compared Judy to Meryl Streep's portrayal of the insane nun Sister Aloysius in Doubt. The parallel is perfect, but she'll never really get it because she's afraid to watch the movie. Same with Share and I comparing her to Dolores Umbridge in the Harry Potter books and movies. Her willful ignorance will keep her from ever getting how apt the comparisons are. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment I am smiling! From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 4:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment After watching the final episode of the season, I found myself thinking that Tywin Lannister is right up there in the all-time pantheon of egos who think they're better than the people they're used to intimidating, only to learn to their dismay -- and too late -- that they know nothing about them. He's right up there on that...uh...throne alongside the two J's -- Jimbo and Judy. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment
Bhairitu would know more about legal access than I do, being of the eyepatch persuasion myself. I know that it's on HBO in the US, and thus tightly controlled. I don't know what it takes to watch it in the UK. I have not read the books, preferring to watch the whole TV series rather than spoil it by *sorta* knowing what's coming next. The sorta means that they have reputedly deviated from the books somewhat. IMO it's the best thing on television right now, in terms of scope and budget if nothing else. The plotting is masterful, the quality of the acting is amazing, and the sets and locations are To Die For, easily as well-done as anything in the Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit films, and in many ways better. But it's a long slog to catch up, with each season being 10 episodes long and the 4th season having just finished. How many more there will be will depend on when and if George R.R. Martin ever finishes the series of books. My plan is to watch all of the TV version, then read the books, then go back and watch the entire series again, from the start. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com I've never seen Game of Thrones or read the books. I heard it was worth the effort but none of the books are numbered so I don't know which is the first! Someone should have a word with someone at the publishers about that.make it easy for us. And if it's been on terrestrial TV then it escaped my radar, probably on Sky or something ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'll bet. :-) What's most hilarious is that they don't get it. Jimbo is so dumb he actually believes that Game Of Thrones is a children's fantasy, and of course Judy would never lower herself to watch something I like. Thus neither of them will ever figure out what scene I'm riffing on, where exactly Tywin Lannister is sitting, how *badly* he misunderstood and underestimated the people he believes he has a right to torment, what happens to him next, and how fitting a fate it is. It's like when I compared Judy to Meryl Streep's portrayal of the insane nun Sister Aloysius in Doubt. The parallel is perfect, but she'll never really get it because she's afraid to watch the movie. Same with Share and I comparing her to Dolores Umbridge in the Harry Potter books and movies. Her willful ignorance will keep her from ever getting how apt the comparisons are. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment I am smiling! From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 4:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment After watching the final episode of the season, I found myself thinking that Tywin Lannister is right up there in the all-time pantheon of egos who think they're better than the people they're used to intimidating, only to learn to their dismay -- and too late -- that they know nothing about them. He's right up there on that...uh...throne alongside the two J's -- Jimbo and Judy. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Graphing Andrew Cohen's waking state intellect
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Amongst a whole range of topics it's interesting that you also mention fulfillment of the householder vs the recluse. Maharishi made us cherish the recluse way of life because one is self-sufficient and dependent of nobody. Oh yeah? How many thousands of dollars did you beg from other people to pay for your time on Purusha? But it's valuable only if the time not used for family is spent in spiritual pursuits. Since the goal of both ways of living is fulfillment it all boils down to how the short time here is spent. When we get there the fulfillment is equal. It's also interesting to note that the majority of the Masters in the Holy tradition were householders. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : To put my experience with MMY and TM, into perspective, I grew up in the East, so all the meditation and incense, temples, holy men, and all of that, were culturally normal. I also grew up in a Western family, and was exposed to formal Western religion, which I liked, and became an altar boy. All on the backdrop of moving around South East Asia, including many explorations, of the remotest places my dad could reach. So, when TM and MMY came along, for me, at 21, in terms of my life experience, it wasn't unusual, but more of a practical and challenging solution, to make sense of an incredible life, and to continue it. I did not slow down, or uncritically give myself over to the TM Movement, though I did work for them several times, and considered TTC. All in all, though, TM and MMY have fulfilled my desire, as guides for an amazing life - more like discovering the freeway system, allowing me to get anywhere, fast, vs. a singular and limited path, to a lonely mountain top. I do recall MMY saying that the greatest fulfillment is as a householder, vs. a recluse. Seems obvious with all the manifold riches, and deep challenges, brought to us, by family and social life, that there is no greater way to live, and fully appreciate, all that this planet provides for us. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thanks - yes, I know that many people aren't comfortable discussing this stuff. I think it is the Science Of Being/Art of Living, MMY makes reference to people being embarrassed to even speak about God and religion. I am always coming up with new ways to express myself artistically, so it is easy to see spirituality and enlightenment, not in terms of singular pursuits, but one of the things we do, along with everything else. I have led an incredibly rich and diverse life, and stopped looking at a solely Eastern (or Western) perspective for spirituality, quite a long time ago. All the formal stuff is partial maps, anyway. What I discuss with David is the experiential, vs. recited or written, sequence, of the unfolding of consciousness, and noticeable events along the way. It has been really helpful for me, and pretty amazing, since we have not met one another, that our experiences, though abstract and subtle, can be shared and understood. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : well, for those inclined to discuss their experiences, great. But I think there is a natural predisposition to keep to oneself about experiences. Of course, that is just me. It's been brought up several times that the yogic flyers have been encouraged to discuss their A experiences. I don't think that would appeal to me, possibly because I don't have much in the way of flash, and also I've stepped away from the Eastern way of evaluating experiences to some extent. I've read your comments and those of David on Batgap. I find them interesting, and pretty genuine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yeah, I find that as more and more people gain enlightenment, there are many perspectives and comparisons to be made. It is like uncovering a long lost language, or experience. Many of the old texts that talk about this state of natural freedom are not useful for modern times, and householders, so it is a fun time, now, to see the truth or otherwise, of these early texts on enlightenment. Equally satisfying is being able to quickly put the lie to those who would keep enlightenment shadowy and vague, so as to exploit others for their desire for it. Or pointing out those making a mountain of their puny experiences, as a few have here, on FFL - ex-TM teachers, anyone?? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : A few years ago as I was first developing this Cartesian way of looking at mysticism and spiritual movements I drew it out on the back of an envelope and showed it then to an eminent scholar PhD in our field. He looked at it and laughed out saying, “Oh, I understand that! My wife is a PhD in mathematics.” It worked. -Buck. Yup, like in the recent thread here categorizing the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
turq, WRT Emily, I actually was ignoring her and she kept making inaccurate psychological comments to other people about my ignoring her, etc. So yeah, I took the bait to set the record straight, and partially to be minimally courteous. More about Emily since she's back on mission after her break! IMO she used to post interesting stuff here sometimes. Now, like you said, she mainly posts to analyze me. For what ultimate purpose?! And why is she so obsessed with me?! It's totally weird imho! Of course it all started over the RWC kafufel. Really, go figure! Judy is another story, being way harsher and self righteous. What compels a person to participate in such a manner so unrelentingly? And for decades! I admit it totally baffles me. Well, not totally. I have my theories.Which I'm sure you guys would LOVE to hear LOL! On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 5:06 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : On 6/16/2014 8:26 PM, feste37 wrote: It's not a matter of protection. It's simply that your harassment of Share is so persistent, so unpleasant, so obsessive, that it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. No one deserves to be pursued by a harridan like you, least of all Share, who knows how to preserve civil discourse even if you don't. Oh for God's sake and mine just leave it alone. If I were Share I would tell you to back off, mind your own business and assume I can look after myself. You treat her like an invalid. You're all so cloying and claustrophobic. Anyone with an iota of self respect would be insulted by all of your concern and it's about time Share showed a bit of independence and told you all to fuck off. Actually, I'm surprised Share hasn't told you lot to fuck off and just ignore all the attempts to correct her non-approved behaviour. Or is it that she must be assimilated or driven off the forum? Who knows, without this tedious correcting and fake concern that clogs the list this place might get to be worth reading again. As I've said before, IMO Share has an ego-investment in all of this persecution herself, otherwise she wouldn't (as she often does) start up one of the harassment campaigns again after it's died down, just to get in the last word. That's her part in all of this. That said, it's pretty amazing that the perpetrators of this harassment really don't *get* how accurate my comparisons of it to a Jr. High School Mean Girls Club really are. Whenever their lives get boring (which seems to be often), they liven them up by pouncing on someone they perceive to be weaker, and attacking her. Judy is the worst. For her it's a lifestyle. My bet is that if you went back and really analyzed the traffic on Fairfield Life, you would be unable to find *a single week* in which she has *not* found the need to correct someone. Which, in her case, means belittle them and put them down as stupid so I can appear to be smart. This is just what she DOES. We can all speculate about what *caused* this behavior in her, but there is simply no question that the behavior is present. It was present when she first showed up on a.m.t. nearly twenty years ago, it has been present pretty much every week she was posting since then, and it is present now. For Judy, Descartes' I think, therefore I am had been reduced to I correct and put down and try to intimidate, therefore I am. She really, really, really can't live without it. Ann is just a follower, primarily in it for the pats on the head and the dog biscuits she gets from Yet Another Abuser She's Chosen To Follow. She did it with Robin, not just tolerating but *applauding* his abuse of others, and now she's doing it with Judy. Her version of Descartes' statement is I'm terrified that I'm not really *anything* unless I'm trying to put down the person I've been told to put down, and in that assessment she would actually be correct. She's nothing. Emily's more of a puzzle, in that she seems to have really, really, really developed her own personal vendetta against Share. It may have *started* with her just following the girls in the Mean Girls Club, but now the opportunity to dump on Share is pretty much the only thing that draws her back to FFL. She's addicted to Judy's playbook, having found it a good fit for herself. And interestingly, she's even more in denial about her real motivations for doing this (hatred) than Judy is. On some level, I think Judy may actually be aware of how insanely vindictive she is; I don't think Emily is, or will ever be. She's in complete denial. Jim, the last member of the Mean Girls Club, is just in it for the attention. He'll do *anything* and say *anything* to get attention. We *are*, after
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to feste
feste, I aim for minimal politeness and contact as best as I can. I don't think it improves the situation to get hyper negative. Hope you're staying cool these steamy days... On Monday, June 16, 2014 5:36 PM, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You're a lot more polite than I would be under the circumstances. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi feste, I think FFL has an interesting quandry in that the vast majority of participants are at that stage in life that Piaget called Generativity which refers to the desire to pass along one's knowledge and wisdom to the younger generation. Except there is no younger generation on FFL! And, add to that, most of us are content with our lives so not likely to change our opinions, etc. which got us to this point. Plus, Judy and I are polar opposites not only in outlook but also in temperament. We will never agree. And I'm fine with that. However, when she's presenting opinion for fact or truth, I will express disagreement. I'm not expecting to change her mind. But I think it's important to express what I think to be true.
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment
Mr. I'm-Enlightened-And-Thus-I-Just-Know-Things-That-You-Lesser-Beings-Don't is showing his ignorance again. This is what he considers a children's story and stuff for kids. Rated NSFB (Not Safe For Buck): WATCH: Every Single NSFW 'Game Of Thrones' Scene WATCH: Every Single NSFW 'Game Of Thrones' Scene The sex on “Game of Thrones” has been the topic of much discussion throughout the first two seasons of the hit HBO series. It has sparked debate about gender roles ... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo NSFW: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones' Season 3 NSFW: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones' ... The third season of Game of Thrones has come to a close, which means it's time for us to continue our highly scientific study of sex and nudity in the acclaimed H... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo WATCH: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones' Season 4 WATCH: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones'... Last night, Game of Thrones completed its fourth season and showed its (roughly) 30th minute of sex and nudity. This means it’s time for what has become a traditi... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment Regarding children's stories, I enjoy some of the old Disney animation, as an artist, and some of the newer efforts, like the Toy Story series, but the new stuff for kids, like this Lame of Thrones nonsense, holds no interest for me. As should seem obvious, I really prefer living in the real world, for grown ups. Probably a concept that you haven't quite gotten around to yet, Barry. Its a lot more fun, and you can put on your big boy pants. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'll bet. :-) What's most hilarious is that they don't get it. Jimbo is so dumb he actually believes that Game Of Thrones is a children's fantasy, and of course Judy would never lower herself to watch something I like. Thus neither of them will ever figure out what scene I'm riffing on, where exactly Tywin Lannister is sitting, how *badly* he misunderstood and underestimated the people he believes he has a right to torment, what happens to him next, and how fitting a fate it is. It's like when I compared Judy to Meryl Streep's portrayal of the insane nun Sister Aloysius in Doubt. The parallel is perfect, but she'll never really get it because she's afraid to watch the movie. Same with Share and I comparing her to Dolores Umbridge in the Harry Potter books and movies. Her willful ignorance will keep her from ever getting how apt the comparisons are. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment I am smiling! From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 4:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment After watching the final episode of the season, I found myself thinking that Tywin Lannister is right up there in the all-time pantheon of egos who think they're better than the people they're used to intimidating, only to learn to their dismay -- and too late -- that they know nothing about them. He's right up there on that...uh...throne alongside the two J's -- Jimbo and Judy. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
Emily has your number, cold, Share. Nuthin' inaccurate about it. If she says something, about either you, or Barry, it is a good idea, and a huge time saver, to listen up. I know this falls on deaf ears, too, but that is yours and Barry's issue, not mine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, WRT Emily, I actually was ignoring her and she kept making inaccurate psychological comments to other people about my ignoring her, etc. So yeah, I took the bait to set the record straight, and partially to be minimally courteous. More about Emily since she's back on mission after her break! IMO she used to post interesting stuff here sometimes. Now, like you said, she mainly posts to analyze me. For what ultimate purpose?! And why is she so obsessed with me?! It's totally weird imho! Of course it all started over the RWC kafufel. Really, go figure! Judy is another story, being way harsher and self righteous. What compels a person to participate in such a manner so unrelentingly? And for decades! I admit it totally baffles me. Well, not totally. I have my theories. Which I'm sure you guys would LOVE to hear LOL! On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 5:06 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : On 6/16/2014 8:26 PM, feste37 wrote: It's not a matter of protection. It's simply that your harassment of Share is so persistent, so unpleasant, so obsessive, that it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. No one deserves to be pursued by a harridan like you, least of all Share, who knows how to preserve civil discourse even if you don't. Oh for God's sake and mine just leave it alone. If I were Share I would tell you to back off, mind your own business and assume I can look after myself. You treat her like an invalid. You're all so cloying and claustrophobic. Anyone with an iota of self respect would be insulted by all of your concern and it's about time Share showed a bit of independence and told you all to fuck off. Actually, I'm surprised Share hasn't told you lot to fuck off and just ignore all the attempts to correct her non-approved behaviour. Or is it that she must be assimilated or driven off the forum? Who knows, without this tedious correcting and fake concern that clogs the list this place might get to be worth reading again. As I've said before, IMO Share has an ego-investment in all of this persecution herself, otherwise she wouldn't (as she often does) start up one of the harassment campaigns again after it's died down, just to get in the last word. That's her part in all of this. That said, it's pretty amazing that the perpetrators of this harassment really don't *get* how accurate my comparisons of it to a Jr. High School Mean Girls Club really are. Whenever their lives get boring (which seems to be often), they liven them up by pouncing on someone they perceive to be weaker, and attacking her. Judy is the worst. For her it's a lifestyle. My bet is that if you went back and really analyzed the traffic on Fairfield Life, you would be unable to find *a single week* in which she has *not* found the need to correct someone. Which, in her case, means belittle them and put them down as stupid so I can appear to be smart. This is just what she DOES. We can all speculate about what *caused* this behavior in her, but there is simply no question that the behavior is present. It was present when she first showed up on a.m.t. nearly twenty years ago, it has been present pretty much every week she was posting since then, and it is present now. For Judy, Descartes' I think, therefore I am had been reduced to I correct and put down and try to intimidate, therefore I am. She really, really, really can't live without it. Ann is just a follower, primarily in it for the pats on the head and the dog biscuits she gets from Yet Another Abuser She's Chosen To Follow. She did it with Robin, not just tolerating but *applauding* his abuse of others, and now she's doing it with Judy. Her version of Descartes' statement is I'm terrified that I'm not really *anything* unless I'm trying to put down the person I've been told to put down, and in that assessment she would actually be correct. She's nothing. Emily's more of a puzzle, in that she seems to have really, really, really developed her own personal vendetta against Share. It may have *started* with her just following the girls in the Mean Girls Club, but now the opportunity to dump on Share is pretty much the only thing that draws her back to FFL. She's addicted to Judy's playbook, having found it a good fit for herself. And interestingly, she's even more in denial about her real
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus
5:13-16 Ye are the salt of the earth. Mankind, lying in ignorance and wickedness, were as a vast heap, ready to putrify; but Christ sent forth his disciples, by their lives and doctrines to season it with knowledge and grace. If they are not such as they should be, they are as salt that has lost its savour. If a man can take up the profession of a Christ, and yet remain graceless, no other doctrine, no other means, can make him profitable. Our light must shine, by doing such good works as men may see. What is between God and our souls, must be kept to ourselves; but that which is of itself open to the sight of men, we must study to make suitable to our profession, and praiseworthy. We must aim at the glory of God [The Unified Field]. I feel they [hindoos] will be better off as they better incorporate science and the substantial spiritual experience of quiet time transcendent meditation in to their studies in secular public school education. Thank the Unified Field for the continuing good progress in broad science-based public education everywhere. We will all be better off for it, -Buck mjackson74 contends: I disagree with his final premise - a lot of them actually are gullible fools. http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Why Can't Hinduism Rid Itself of Fake Gurus? http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Reason is a libertarian monthly print magazine covering politics, culture, and ideas through a provocative mix of news, analysis, commentary, and reviews. View on reason.com http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
Ho-hum, another delusional psychotic rant from Barry. Does he enjoy living in this ugly fantasy world he's created? I suspect the key to it is that it enables him to project all his own flaws onto the people he hates. The most extreme example comes at the end of this post, where he attributes the orchestration of the poisonous atmosphere on FFL to me. In fact, you can trace the genesis of this atmosphere right back to his earliest FFL posts, when he started attacking me a week or so before I even got here, as I discovered as I was reading the past traffic for background. Couple more comments below... As I've said before, IMO Share has an ego-investment in all of this persecution herself, otherwise she wouldn't (as she often does) start up one of the harassment campaigns again after it's died down, just to get in the last word. That's her part in all of this. Barry to Share, August of last year: We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they areyou're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it. Given the above, the inadvertent irony in what follows is spectacular: That said, it's pretty amazing that the perpetrators of this harassment really don't *get* how accurate my comparisons of it to a Jr. High School Mean Girls Club really are. Whenever their lives get boring (which seems to be often), they liven them up by pouncing on someone they perceive to be weaker, and attacking her. Judy is the worst. For her it's a lifestyle. My bet is that if you went back and really analyzed the traffic on Fairfield Life, you would be unable to find *a single week* in which she has *not* found the need to correct someone. Which, in her case, means belittle them and put them down as stupid so I can appear to be smart. I suspect what Barry describes above is how he feels when I correct him about something. Because it's certainly not characteristic of my corrections generally. The rest is just more hallucinatory raving. This is just what she DOES. We can all speculate about what *caused* this behavior in her, but there is simply no question that the behavior is present. It was present when she first showed up on a.m.t. nearly twenty years ago, it has been present pretty much every week she was posting since then, and it is present now. For Judy, Descartes' I think, therefore I am had been reduced to I correct and put down and try to intimidate, therefore I am. She really, really, really can't live without it. Ann is just a follower, primarily in it for the pats on the head and the dog biscuits she gets from Yet Another Abuser She's Chosen To Follow. She did it with Robin, not just tolerating but *applauding* his abuse of others, and now she's doing it with Judy. Her version of Descartes' statement is I'm terrified that I'm not really *anything* unless I'm trying to put down the person I've been told to put down, and in that assessment she would actually be correct. She's nothing. Emily's more of a puzzle, in that she seems to have really, really, really developed her own personal vendetta against Share. It may have *started* with her just following the girls in the Mean Girls Club, but now the opportunity to dump on Share is pretty much the only thing that draws her back to FFL. She's addicted to Judy's playbook, having found it a good fit for herself. And interestingly, she's even more in denial about her real motivations for doing this (hatred) than Judy is. On some level, I think Judy may actually be aware of how insanely vindictive she is; I don't think Emily is, or will ever be. She's in complete denial. Jim, the last member of the Mean Girls Club, is just in it for the attention. He'll do *anything* and say *anything* to get attention. We *are*, after all, talking about the guy who pretended to be a woman on this forum for several months, as if the falsely claiming to be enlightened wasn't *enough*. But he also piles on because the persecution routine is a good fit for him because his solipsism is so strongly established that he can't really feel any empathy for the people whose persecution he piles on to. All in all, it's really quite an embarrassing soap opera, played out as it is
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
A theory provides an explanatory framework for some observation, and from the assumptions of the explanation follows a number of possible hypotheses that can be tested in order to provide support for, or challenge, the theory. Wikipedia. Warning: Opinions, assumptions and theories offered on FFLife will be challenged if based on fantasy or lies.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Graphing Andrew Cohen's waking state intellect
Like Buddhas down at a gas pump talking about enlightenment.. You are the light of the world. You cannot hide a city that has been built upon a mountain. -Matthew Fleetwood_macncheese writes: Thanks - yes, I know that many people aren't comfortable discussing this stuff. I think it is the Science Of Being/Art of Living, MMY makes reference to people being embarrassed to even speak about God and religion. I am always coming up with new ways to express myself artistically, so it is easy to see spirituality and enlightenment, not in terms of singular pursuits, but one of the things we do, along with everything else. I have led an incredibly rich and diverse life, and stopped looking at a solely Eastern (or Western) perspective for spirituality, quite a long time ago. All the formal stuff is partial maps, anyway. What I discuss with David is the experiential, vs. recited or written, sequence, of the unfolding of consciousness, and noticeable events along the way. It has been really helpful for me, and pretty amazing, since we have not met one another, that our experiences, though abstract and subtle, can be shared and understood. 7Ray writes: well, for those inclined to discuss their experiences, great. But I think there is a natural predisposition to keep to oneself about experiences. Of course, that is just me. It's been brought up several times that the yogic flyers have been encouraged to discuss their A experiences. I don't think that would appeal to me, possibly because I don't have much in the way of flash, and also I've stepped away from the Eastern way of evaluating experiences to some extent. I've read your comments and those of David on Batgap. I find them interesting, and pretty genuine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yeah, I find that as more and more people gain enlightenment, there are many perspectives and comparisons to be made. It is like uncovering a long lost language, or experience. Many of the old texts that talk about this state of natural freedom are not useful for modern times, and householders, so it is a fun time, now, to see the truth or otherwise, of these early texts on enlightenment. Equally satisfying is being able to quickly put the lie to those who would keep enlightenment shadowy and vague, so as to exploit others for their desire for it. Or pointing out those making a mountain of their puny experiences, as a few have here, on FFL - ex-TM teachers, anyone?? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : A few years ago as I was first developing this Cartesian way of looking at mysticism and spiritual movements I drew it out on the back of an envelope and showed it then to an eminent scholar PhD in our field. He looked at it and laughed out saying, “Oh, I understand that! My wife is a PhD in mathematics.” It worked. -Buck. Yup, like in the recent thread here categorizing the BATGAP.COM spiritually awakened interviewees around describing a range in typology of mystical illumination. Those interviews then come as another good place for the Cartesian graph as help in getting a handle on de-mystifying the spiritual in the discussion. Charting using the Cartesian axis can become a great aid. With enough data-points one then could even start to do a calculus looking at relative rates of spiritual-change in individuals or groups in time. I find that I place them all by typology in to a scaled Cartesian coordinate graph with abiding-awakening running from the awakened-quietist up to awakened-pietist on the vertical axis as type by transformation, and then on the horizontal axis, the modality and/or a scale of organization or satsang around them. -Buck https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/386298 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/386298 386298Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types Last year I was at a conference and one paper that I thought really stood out for our purposes here was a completely objective paper on altruistic communalism which had absolutely no consideration of spirituality. The paper only considered relative organization and the value of doing or being in groups to people. In the end of the session it opened for questions. I had sat next to a white board listening to the paper so as a prelude to asking a question I quick drew on the white board an x-y axis and labeled the vertical as relative spiritual evolution from a low of narcissism to a high of illumination. On the horizontal axis using the paper's terms I put the relative altruistic evolutionary structure of organizations. And then made my point that his was a great analysis of altruistic aspect of organizations but by example I come from a community where we also look at it a little differently to include the spiritual component in communal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus
Fleetwood writes: Many of the old texts that talk about this state of natural freedom are not useful for modern times, and householders, so it is a fun time, now, to see the truth or otherwise, of these early texts on enlightenment. Equally satisfying is being able to quickly put the lie to those who would keep enlightenment shadowy and vague, so as to exploit others for their desire for it. Or pointing out those making a mountain of their puny experiences, as a few have here, on FFL - ex-TM teachers, anyone?? 5:13-16 Ye are the salt of the earth. Mankind, lying in ignorance and wickedness, were as a vast heap, ready to putrify; but Christ sent forth his disciples, by their lives and doctrines to season it with knowledge and grace. If they are not such as they should be, they are as salt that has lost its savour. If a man can take up the profession of a Christ, and yet remain graceless, no other doctrine, no other means, can make him profitable. Our light must shine, by doing such good works as men may see. What is between God and our souls, must be kept to ourselves; but that which is of itself open to the sight of men, we must study to make suitable to our profession, and praiseworthy. We must aim at the glory of God [The Unified Field]. I feel they [hindoos] will be better off as they better incorporate science and the substantial spiritual experience of quiet time transcendent meditation in to their studies in secular public school education. Thank the Unified Field for the continuing good progress in broad science-based public education everywhere. We will all be better off for it, -Buck mjackson74 contends: I disagree with his final premise - a lot of them actually are gullible fools. http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Why Can't Hinduism Rid Itself of Fake Gurus? http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Reason is a libertarian monthly print magazine covering politics, culture, and ideas through a provocative mix of news, analysis, commentary, and reviews. View on reason.com http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment
Regarding children's stories, I enjoy some of the old Disney animation, as an artist, and some of the newer efforts, like the Toy Story series, but the new stuff for kids, like this Lame of Thrones nonsense, holds no interest for me. As should seem obvious, I really prefer living in the real world, for grown ups. Probably a concept that you haven't quite gotten around to yet, Barry. Its a lot more fun, and you can put on your big boy pants. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'll bet. :-) What's most hilarious is that they don't get it. Jimbo is so dumb he actually believes that Game Of Thrones is a children's fantasy, and of course Judy would never lower herself to watch something I like. Thus neither of them will ever figure out what scene I'm riffing on, where exactly Tywin Lannister is sitting, how *badly* he misunderstood and underestimated the people he believes he has a right to torment, what happens to him next, and how fitting a fate it is. It's like when I compared Judy to Meryl Streep's portrayal of the insane nun Sister Aloysius in Doubt. The parallel is perfect, but she'll never really get it because she's afraid to watch the movie. Same with Share and I comparing her to Dolores Umbridge in the Harry Potter books and movies. Her willful ignorance will keep her from ever getting how apt the comparisons are. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment I am smiling! From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 4:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment After watching the final episode of the season, I found myself thinking that Tywin Lannister is right up there in the all-time pantheon of egos who think they're better than the people they're used to intimidating, only to learn to their dismay -- and too late -- that they know nothing about them. He's right up there on that...uh...throne alongside the two J's -- Jimbo and Judy. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment
Um. Didn't somebody just rail against belittling and putting down as stupid the folks one corrects? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Mr. I'm-Enlightened-And-Thus-I-Just-Know-Things-That-You-Lesser-Beings-Don't is showing his ignorance again. This is what he considers a children's story and stuff for kids. Rated NSFB (Not Safe For Buck): WATCH: Every Single NSFW 'Game Of Thrones' Scene http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/17/game-of-thrones-sex-scene_n_1601883.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/17/game-of-thrones-sex-scene_n_1601883.html WATCH: Every Single NSFW 'Game Of Thrones' Scene http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/17/game-of-thrones-sex-scene_n_1601883.html The sex on “Game of Thrones” has been the topic of much discussion throughout the first two seasons of the hit HBO series. It has sparked debate about gender roles ... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/17/game-of-thrones-sex-scene_n_1601883.html Preview by Yahoo NSFW: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones' Season 3 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/game-of-thrones-sex-scenes-nudity_n_3417008.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/game-of-thrones-sex-scenes-nudity_n_3417008.html NSFW: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones' ... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/game-of-thrones-sex-scenes-nudity_n_3417008.html The third season of Game of Thrones has come to a close, which means it's time for us to continue our highly scientific study of sex and nudity in the acclaimed H... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/game-of-thrones-sex-scenes-nudity_n_3417008.html Preview by Yahoo WATCH: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones' Season 4 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/16/game-of-thrones-nudity_n_5497993.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/16/game-of-thrones-nudity_n_5497993.html WATCH: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones'... Last night, Game of Thrones completed its fourth season and showed its (roughly) 30th minute of sex and nudity. This means it’s time for what has become a traditi... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/16/game-of-thrones-nudity_n_5497993.html Preview by Yahoo From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment Regarding children's stories, I enjoy some of the old Disney animation, as an artist, and some of the newer efforts, like the Toy Story series, but the new stuff for kids, like this Lame of Thrones nonsense, holds no interest for me. As should seem obvious, I really prefer living in the real world, for grown ups. Probably a concept that you haven't quite gotten around to yet, Barry. Its a lot more fun, and you can put on your big boy pants. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'll bet. :-) What's most hilarious is that they don't get it. Jimbo is so dumb he actually believes that Game Of Thrones is a children's fantasy, and of course Judy would never lower herself to watch something I like. Thus neither of them will ever figure out what scene I'm riffing on, where exactly Tywin Lannister is sitting, how *badly* he misunderstood and underestimated the people he believes he has a right to torment, what happens to him next, and how fitting a fate it is. It's like when I compared Judy to Meryl Streep's portrayal of the insane nun Sister Aloysius in Doubt. The parallel is perfect, but she'll never really get it because she's afraid to watch the movie. Same with Share and I comparing her to Dolores Umbridge in the Harry Potter books and movies. Her willful ignorance will keep her from ever getting how apt the comparisons are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus
Whoa there. For my own TM teacher, someone who had journey-ed to learn to teach this and come to the wilderness of the West, I do puja to my TM initator every time I say or think, “Jai Guru Dev”. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome Fleetwood writes: Many of the old texts that talk about this state of natural freedom are not useful for modern times, and householders, so it is a fun time, now, to see the truth or otherwise, of these early texts on enlightenment. Equally satisfying is being able to quickly put the lie to those who would keep enlightenment shadowy and vague, so as to exploit others for their desire for it. Or pointing out those making a mountain of their puny experiences, as a few have here, on FFL - ex-TM teachers, anyone?? 5:13-16 Ye are the salt of the earth. Mankind, lying in ignorance and wickedness, were as a vast heap, ready to putrify; but Christ sent forth his disciples, by their lives and doctrines to season it with knowledge and grace. If they are not such as they should be, they are as salt that has lost its savour. If a man can take up the profession of a Christ, and yet remain graceless, no other doctrine, no other means, can make him profitable. Our light must shine, by doing such good works as men may see. What is between God and our souls, must be kept to ourselves; but that which is of itself open to the sight of men, we must study to make suitable to our profession, and praiseworthy. We must aim at the glory of God [The Unified Field]. I feel they [hindoos] will be better off as they better incorporate science and the substantial spiritual experience of quiet time transcendent meditation in to their studies in secular public school education. Thank the Unified Field for the continuing good progress in broad science-based public education everywhere. We will all be better off for it, -Buck mjackson74 contends: I disagree with his final premise - a lot of them actually are gullible fools. http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Why Can't Hinduism Rid Itself of Fake Gurus? http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Reason is a libertarian monthly print magazine covering politics, culture, and ideas through a provocative mix of news, analysis, commentary, and reviews. View on reason.com http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: to feste
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi feste, I think FFL has an interesting quandry in that the vast majority of participants are at that stage in life that Piaget called Generativity which refers to the desire to pass along one's knowledge and wisdom to the younger generation. Share, this is a badly simplified and inaccurate understanding of Generativity. I've been reading on it. You might consider the fact (as you are repeating verbatim what you said in an earlier post), that your reduction of this concept to the above statement badly corrupts what it is, in essence. Don't lock in so easily to what you think. Except there is no younger generation on FFL! Share, how do you define younger generation? I was born in the 60's and was a small child living a sheltered existence during that decade - that puts me on the verge of a younger generation. Sal sound like he may also be a youngster. But, no matter, as you have the essence of the term and use of the term generativity incorrect, based on what I've read. And, add to that, most of us are content with our lives so not likely to change our opinions, etc. which got us to this point. How do you know this? Based on what people write here? That's a hella arrogant statement of assumption on your part. In my case, personally (yes, I will share something personal) completely not true in terms of being content (unfortunately, maybe) and the jump in assumption you make tying the concept of being content to not likely to change our opinions is a strange philosophy and reflects your position and how you operate here. Sounds like the formula for living in a dead zone to me. Plus, Judy and I are polar opposites not only in outlook but also in temperament. We will never agree. And, you slam the door shut again. And I'm fine with that. And, one more time for good measure. However, when she's presenting opinion for fact or truth, I will express disagreement. I'm not expecting to change her mind. But I think it's important to express what I think to be true. Express what you think to be *true* all you like, but realize Share, you don't have any idea if it really is *true*. Don't be scared now, I'm not going to reply to any reply you give, as I am taking in the enormity of the resentment you have towards me. I replied to this because of the *repeat* in your verbage, without having obviously explored for yourself what it was you were professing, after your last post of this concept. I found it fascinating to read you stating that you believe negative emotions release dangerous chemicals into the body and yet, your fear and resentments towards me are alive and well and have been for a year or two now. If you'd like me to give you some substantive tips on how to release them, let me know. I might be able to teach *you* something, younger generation that I am - you'd have a daughter my age Share, if you'd been a teenage mom. Don't underestimate the power of the younger generation to inform and educate the older one. Knowledge, inspiration and all sorts of other gold nuggets in my life come from everywhere. No matter where you are and what age or culture of people surround you, you are bound to find things out that you didn't know before or had not seen in the same way. Share says something about contentment being a reason to stop changing or learning or altering an opinion about a thing. Who here is content, and what does content have to do with willingness to process and perhaps adopt new knowledge or information? Younger, older, animal or human - life experience, thankfully, comes from everywhere all the time. Just yesterday I watched a woman cradle her dead horse's head in her arms and keen loudly in utter, absolute grief. I was stunned by how similar we, as human beings, are in our moments of profound sorrow and how courage and acceptance is demanded of us all the time. I was in awe at the depth of her love and at her willingness to go so deep into the rawness of her feelings as she stroked his unfeeling nose and wept onto the dead and unseeing face. And I learned and I took into myself what I saw and felt and it has changed me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/16/2014 8:26 PM, feste37 wrote: It's not a matter of protection. It's simply that your harassment of Share is so persistent, so unpleasant, so obsessive, that it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. No one deserves to be pursued by a harridan like you, least of all Share, who knows how to preserve civil discourse even if you don't. Oh for God's sake and mine just leave it alone. If I were Share I would tell you to back off, mind your own business and assume I can look after myself. You treat her like an invalid. You're all so cloying and claustrophobic. Anyone with an iota of self respect would be insulted by all of your concern and it's about time Share showed a bit of independence and told you all to fuck off. Actually, I'm surprised Share hasn't told you lot to fuck off and just ignore all the attempts to correct her non-approved behaviour. Or is it that she must be assimilated or driven off the forum? Who knows, without this tedious correcting and fake concern that clogs the list this place might get to be worth reading again. That would be great. I am all for the clogs to clear. And, frankly, a veritable mountain is being made of a meagre mole hill.
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment
I have it from a high authority that calling someone stupid is only a misdemeanor if they really ARE stupid enough to consider Game Of Thrones a children's fantasy. That's almost as stupid as calling a director a Christian bigot on the basis of a movie she'd never seen. :-) From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment Um. Didn't somebody just rail against belittling and putting down as stupid the folks one corrects? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Mr. I'm-Enlightened-And-Thus-I-Just-Know-Things-That-You-Lesser-Beings-Don't is showing his ignorance again. This is what he considers a children's story and stuff for kids. Rated NSFB (Not Safe For Buck): WATCH: Every Single NSFW 'Game Of Thrones' Scene WATCH: Every Single NSFW 'Game Of Thrones' Scene The sex on “Game of Thrones” has been the topic of much discussion throughout the first two seasons of the hit HBO series. It has sparked debate about gender roles ... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo NSFW: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones' Season 3 NSFW: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones' ... The third season of Game of Thrones has come to a close, which means it's time for us to continue our highly scientific study of sex and nudity in the acclaimed H... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo WATCH: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones' Season 4 WATCH: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones'... Last night, Game of Thrones completed its fourth season and showed its (roughly) 30th minute of sex and nudity. This means it’s time for what has become a traditi... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment Regarding children's stories, I enjoy some of the old Disney animation, as an artist, and some of the newer efforts, like the Toy Story series, but the new stuff for kids, like this Lame of Thrones nonsense, holds no interest for me. As should seem obvious, I really prefer living in the real world, for grown ups. Probably a concept that you haven't quite gotten around to yet, Barry. Its a lot more fun, and you can put on your big boy pants. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'll bet. :-) What's most hilarious is that they don't get it. Jimbo is so dumb he actually believes that Game Of Thrones is a children's fantasy, and of course Judy would never lower herself to watch something I like. Thus neither of them will ever figure out what scene I'm riffing on, where exactly Tywin Lannister is sitting, how *badly* he misunderstood and underestimated the people he believes he has a right to torment, what happens to him next, and how fitting a fate it is. It's like when I compared Judy to Meryl Streep's portrayal of the insane nun Sister Aloysius in Doubt. The parallel is perfect, but she'll never really get it because she's afraid to watch the movie. Same with Share and I comparing her to Dolores Umbridge in the Harry Potter books and movies. Her willful ignorance will keep her from ever getting how apt the comparisons are.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Ho-hum, another delusional psychotic rant from Barry. Does he enjoy living in this ugly fantasy world he's created? Even more funny is that bawee admits he is the guy planted here at FFL by lurking reporters to purposefully stir up the pot so that he can generate reactions from all of the unsuspecting shmucks who post here so that the lurking, investigative reporters can see living examples of cultists and other psychological aberrational behaviour. Who is the twisted one now? Who is the one who gets pleasure and some sort of reward, either through monetary means (do they pay him in Euro or are these reporters American?) or pats on the back by his mentors the lurking reporters, or just simply gets his rocks off by baiting everyone here. Woo- you couldn't write this kind of stuff for some soap opera and and have it get any better than this. I suspect the key to it is that it enables him to project all his own flaws onto the people he hates. The most extreme example comes at the end of this post, where he attributes the orchestration of the poisonous atmosphere on FFL to me. In fact, you can trace the genesis of this atmosphere right back to his earliest FFL posts, when he started attacking me a week or so before I even got here, as I discovered as I was reading the past traffic for background. Couple more comments below... As I've said before, IMO Share has an ego-investment in all of this persecution herself, otherwise she wouldn't (as she often does) start up one of the harassment campaigns again after it's died down, just to get in the last word. That's her part in all of this. Barry to Share, August of last year: We get it that you don't care how unintelligent you come across, and that you're trying to single-handedly prove the contention of anti-TM critics that TMers are blissninnies without a brain cell in their thick skulls who will believe anything if they're told its Woo Woo enough. But do you have to be such a codependent, attention-seeking masochist about it? Not only have you been making yourself the object of pursuit of your Jr. High School-mentality tormentors, you've been doing it *purposefully*. For fuck's sake, STOP. You're even more boring than they areyou're an embarrassment to the notion of humans having intelligence. You're doing it because you're not terribly smart, or interesting, and you crave attention anyway. And you don't fucking care whether you drag a whole forum down to your level of idiocy to get it. Given the above, the inadvertent irony in what follows is spectacular: That said, it's pretty amazing that the perpetrators of this harassment really don't *get* how accurate my comparisons of it to a Jr. High School Mean Girls Club really are. Whenever their lives get boring (which seems to be often), they liven them up by pouncing on someone they perceive to be weaker, and attacking her. Judy is the worst. For her it's a lifestyle. My bet is that if you went back and really analyzed the traffic on Fairfield Life, you would be unable to find *a single week* in which she has *not* found the need to correct someone. Which, in her case, means belittle them and put them down as stupid so I can appear to be smart. I suspect what Barry describes above is how he feels when I correct him about something. Because it's certainly not characteristic of my corrections generally. The rest is just more hallucinatory raving. This is just what she DOES. We can all speculate about what *caused* this behavior in her, but there is simply no question that the behavior is present. It was present when she first showed up on a.m.t. nearly twenty years ago, it has been present pretty much every week she was posting since then, and it is present now. For Judy, Descartes' I think, therefore I am had been reduced to I correct and put down and try to intimidate, therefore I am. She really, really, really can't live without it. Ann is just a follower, primarily in it for the pats on the head and the dog biscuits she gets from Yet Another Abuser She's Chosen To Follow. She did it with Robin, not just tolerating but *applauding* his abuse of others, and now she's doing it with Judy. Her version of Descartes' statement is I'm terrified that I'm not really *anything* unless I'm trying to put down the person I've been told to put down, and in that assessment she would actually be correct. She's nothing. Emily's more of a puzzle, in that she seems to have really, really, really developed her own personal vendetta against Share. It may have *started* with her just following the girls in the Mean Girls Club, but now the opportunity to dump on Share is pretty much the only thing that draws her back to FFL. She's addicted to Judy's playbook, having found it a good fit for herself. And interestingly, she's even more in denial
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus
So you were initiated by Brahmananda Saraswati? Good to know. Of course, he never taught TM, and no other TM teacher's name appears in the puja or in the three-word buzzphrase you mindlessly repeat about someone you never met. You're losing it, Buck. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 3:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus Whoa there. For my own TM teacher, someone who had journey-ed to learn to teach this and come to the wilderness of the West, I do puja to my TM initator every time I say or think, “Jai Guru Dev”. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome Fleetwood writes: Many of the old texts that talk about this state of natural freedom are not useful for modern times, and householders, so it is a fun time, now, to see the truth or otherwise, of these early texts on enlightenment. Equally satisfying is being able to quickly put the lie to those who would keep enlightenment shadowy and vague, so as to exploit others for their desire for it. Or pointing out those making a mountain of their puny experiences, as a few have here, on FFL - ex-TM teachers, anyone?? 5:13-16 Ye are the salt of the earth. Mankind, lying in ignorance and wickedness, were as a vast heap, ready to putrify; but Christ sent forth his disciples, by their lives and doctrines to season it with knowledge and grace. If they are not such as they should be, they are as salt that has lost its savour. If a man can take up the profession of a Christ, and yet remain graceless, no other doctrine, no other means, can make him profitable. Our light must shine, by doing such good works as men may see. What is between God and our souls, must be kept to ourselves; but that which is of itself open to the sight of men, we must study to make suitable to our profession, and praiseworthy. We must aim at the glory of God [The Unified Field]. I feel they [hindoos] will be better off as they better incorporate science and the substantial spiritual experience of quiet time transcendent meditation in to their studies in secular public school education. Thank the Unified Field for the continuing good progress in broad science-based public education everywhere. We will all be better off for it, -Buck mjackson74 contends: I disagree with his final premise - a lot of them actually are gullible fools. http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Why Can't Hinduism Rid Itself of Fake Gurus? Reason is a libertarian monthly print magazine covering politics, culture, and ideas through a provocative mix of news, analysis, commentary, and reviews. View on reason.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Graphing Andrew Cohen's waking state intellect
and the ever rising price of gas! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Like Buddhas down at a gas pump talking about enlightenment.. You are the light of the world. You cannot hide a city that has been built upon a mountain. -Matthew Fleetwood_macncheese writes: Thanks - yes, I know that many people aren't comfortable discussing this stuff. I think it is the Science Of Being/Art of Living, MMY makes reference to people being embarrassed to even speak about God and religion. I am always coming up with new ways to express myself artistically, so it is easy to see spirituality and enlightenment, not in terms of singular pursuits, but one of the things we do, along with everything else. I have led an incredibly rich and diverse life, and stopped looking at a solely Eastern (or Western) perspective for spirituality, quite a long time ago. All the formal stuff is partial maps, anyway. What I discuss with David is the experiential, vs. recited or written, sequence, of the unfolding of consciousness, and noticeable events along the way. It has been really helpful for me, and pretty amazing, since we have not met one another, that our experiences, though abstract and subtle, can be shared and understood. 7Ray writes: well, for those inclined to discuss their experiences, great. But I think there is a natural predisposition to keep to oneself about experiences. Of course, that is just me. It's been brought up several times that the yogic flyers have been encouraged to discuss their A experiences. I don't think that would appeal to me, possibly because I don't have much in the way of flash, and also I've stepped away from the Eastern way of evaluating experiences to some extent. I've read your comments and those of David on Batgap. I find them interesting, and pretty genuine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yeah, I find that as more and more people gain enlightenment, there are many perspectives and comparisons to be made. It is like uncovering a long lost language, or experience. Many of the old texts that talk about this state of natural freedom are not useful for modern times, and householders, so it is a fun time, now, to see the truth or otherwise, of these early texts on enlightenment. Equally satisfying is being able to quickly put the lie to those who would keep enlightenment shadowy and vague, so as to exploit others for their desire for it. Or pointing out those making a mountain of their puny experiences, as a few have here, on FFL - ex-TM teachers, anyone?? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : A few years ago as I was first developing this Cartesian way of looking at mysticism and spiritual movements I drew it out on the back of an envelope and showed it then to an eminent scholar PhD in our field. He looked at it and laughed out saying, “Oh, I understand that! My wife is a PhD in mathematics.” It worked. -Buck. Yup, like in the recent thread here categorizing the BATGAP.COM spiritually awakened interviewees around describing a range in typology of mystical illumination. Those interviews then come as another good place for the Cartesian graph as help in getting a handle on de-mystifying the spiritual in the discussion. Charting using the Cartesian axis can become a great aid. With enough data-points one then could even start to do a calculus looking at relative rates of spiritual-change in individuals or groups in time. I find that I place them all by typology in to a scaled Cartesian coordinate graph with abiding-awakening running from the awakened-quietist up to awakened-pietist on the vertical axis as type by transformation, and then on the horizontal axis, the modality and/or a scale of organization or satsang around them. -Buck https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/386298 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/386298 386298Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types Last year I was at a conference and one paper that I thought really stood out for our purposes here was a completely objective paper on altruistic communalism which had absolutely no consideration of spirituality. The paper only considered relative organization and the value of doing or being in groups to people. In the end of the session it opened for questions. I had sat next to a white board listening to the paper so as a prelude to asking a question I quick drew on the white board an x-y axis and labeled the vertical as relative spiritual evolution from a low of narcissism to a high of illumination. On the horizontal axis using the paper's terms I put the relative altruistic evolutionary structure of organizations. And then made my point that his was a great analysis of altruistic aspect of organizations but by example I come from a
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment
For the newbies and lurkers who don't get the reference below, this is the post I refer to: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/126122 Note that *Judy Stein*, ostensible paragon of integrity and speaker of truth, relying on an article written by someone else about a person she already didn't like, was the one who came up with the phrase Mel Gibson, Christian Bigot in the title. That phrase did not appear in the article. Note also *her* addition at the end of the post: To highlight what the writer tactfully leaves implicit, Gibson has slandered the Maya and mangled history for the purpose of exalting the purported superiority of Christianity. All about a movie she *had never seen* and *still* has never seen. I'd call that STOOOPID, wouldn't you? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment I have it from a high authority that calling someone stupid is only a misdemeanor if they really ARE stupid enough to consider Game Of Thrones a children's fantasy. That's almost as stupid as calling a director a Christian bigot on the basis of a movie she'd never seen. :-) From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment Um. Didn't somebody just rail against belittling and putting down as stupid the folks one corrects? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Mr. I'm-Enlightened-And-Thus-I-Just-Know-Things-That-You-Lesser-Beings-Don't is showing his ignorance again. This is what he considers a children's story and stuff for kids. Rated NSFB (Not Safe For Buck): WATCH: Every Single NSFW 'Game Of Thrones' Scene WATCH: Every Single NSFW 'Game Of Thrones' Scene The sex on “Game of Thrones” has been the topic of much discussion throughout the first two seasons of the hit HBO series. It has sparked debate about gender roles ... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo NSFW: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones' Season 3 NSFW: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones' ... The third season of Game of Thrones has come to a close, which means it's time for us to continue our highly scientific study of sex and nudity in the acclaimed H... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo WATCH: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones' Season 4 WATCH: All The Sex And Nudity From 'Game Of Thrones'... Last night, Game of Thrones completed its fourth season and showed its (roughly) 30th minute of sex and nudity. This means it’s time for what has become a traditi... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment Regarding children's stories, I enjoy some of the old Disney animation, as an artist, and some of the newer efforts, like the Toy Story series, but the new stuff for kids, like this Lame of Thrones nonsense, holds no interest for me. As should seem obvious, I really prefer living in the real world, for grown ups. Probably a concept that you haven't quite gotten around to yet, Barry. Its a lot more fun, and you can put on your big boy pants. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'll bet. :-) What's most hilarious is that they don't get it. Jimbo is so dumb he actually believes that Game Of Thrones is a children's fantasy, and of course Judy would never lower herself to watch something I like. Thus neither of them will ever figure out what scene I'm riffing on, where exactly Tywin Lannister is sitting, how *badly* he misunderstood and underestimated the people he believes he has a right to torment, what happens to him next, and how fitting a fate it is. It's like when I compared Judy to Meryl Streep's portrayal of the insane nun Sister Aloysius in Doubt. The parallel is perfect, but she'll never really get it because she's afraid to watch the movie. Same with Share and I comparing her to Dolores Umbridge in the Harry Potter books and movies. Her willful ignorance will keep her from ever getting how apt the comparisons are.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : ...For Judy, Descartes' I think, therefore I am had been reduced to I correct and put down and try to intimidate, therefore I am. She really, really, really can't live without it... Typed below seems to be the first work where Descartes comes up with I think, therefore I am. This is really a perfect description of nature of ego, which is the nature of one's identity based on thought. As I believe I mentioned before some time ago, I know someone who prior to learning TM was fearful that if he/she had no thoughts, he/she would cease to exist. Most people's identity and sense of existing seems to be based on this sort of experience. This hardly seems to be the basis on which to found a philosophy grounded on the concept of 'truth'. I am interested in what Judy thinks of this little dictum of Descartes, divorced from this particular broadside. René Descartes - Le Discours de la Méthode (1637) [English translation below the original French] QUATRIÈME PARTIE. Je ne sais si je dois vous entretenir des premières méditations que j'y ai faites; car elles sont si métaphysiques et si peu communes, qu'elles ne seront peut-être pas au goût de tout le monde: et toutefois, afin qu'on puisse juger si les fondements que j'ai pris sont assez fermes, je me trouve en quelque façon contraint d'en parler. J'avois dès long-temps remarqué que pour les moeurs il est besoin quelquefois de suivre des opinions qu'on sait être fort incertaines, tout de même que si elles étoient indubitables, ainsi qu'il a été dit ci-dessus: mais pource qu'alors je désirois vaquer seulement à la recherche de la vérité, je pensai qu'il falloit que je fisse tout le contraire, et que je rejetasse comme absolument faux tout ce en quoi je pourrois imaginer le moindre doute, afin de voir s'il ne resteroit point après cela quelque chose en ma créance qui fût entièrement indubitable. Ainsi, à cause que nos sens nous trompent quelquefois, je voulus supposer qu'il n'y avoit aucune chose qui fût telle qu'ils nous la font imaginer; et parce qu'il y a des hommes qui se méprennent en raisonnant, même touchant les plus simples matières de géométrie, et y font des paralogismes, jugeant que j'étois sujet à faillir autant qu'aucun autre, je rejetai comme fausses toutes les raisons que j'avois prises auparavant pour démonstrations; et enfin, considérant que toutes les mêmes pensées que nous avons étant éveillés nous peuvent aussi venir quand nous dormons, sans qu'il y en ait aucune pour lors qui soit vraie, je me résolus de feindre que toutes les choses qui m'étoient jamais entrées en l'esprit n'étoient non plus vraies que les illusions de mes songes. Mais aussitôt après je pris garde que, pendant que je voulois ainsi penser que tout étoit faux, il falloit nécessairement que moi qui le pensois fusse quelque chose; et remarquant que cette vérité, je pense, donc je suis, étoit si ferme et si assurée, que toutes les plus extravagantes suppositions des sceptiques n'étoient pas capables de l'ébranler, je jugeai que je pouvois la recevoir sans scrupule pour le premier principe de la philosophie que je cherchois. FOURTH PART I am in doubt as to the propriety of making my first meditations in the place above mentioned matter of discourse; for these are so metaphysical, and so uncommon, as not, perhaps, to be acceptable to every one. And yet, that it may be determined whether the foundations that I have laid are sufficiently secure, I find myself in a measure constrained to advert to them. I had long before remarked that, in relation to practice, it is sometimes necessary to adopt, as if above doubt, opinions which we discern to be highly uncertain, as has been already said; but as I then desired to give my attention solely to the search after truth, I thought that a procedure exactly the opposite was called for, and that I ought to reject as absolutely false all opinions in regard to which I could suppose the least ground for doubt, in order to ascertain whether after that there remained aught in my belief that was wholly indubitable. Thus, because our senses sometimes deceive us, I wanted to assume that there was anything that was such that we have imagined; and because there are men who are mistaken in reasoning, affecting even the simplest material of geometry, falling into paralogisms [a piece of illogical or fallacious reasoning, especially one that appears superficially logical or that the reasoner believes to be logical], thinking that I was about to fail as all the others, I rejected as false all reasons I had already taken for demonstrations; and finally, whereas all the same thoughts as we are awake we can also come when we sleep when then none of them are true, I resolved to pretend that all the things that which entered into my mind [l'esprit], were not more true than the illusions of my dreams. But immediately after I took care
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus
On 6/17/2014 9:00 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: So you were initiated by Brahmananda Saraswati? Good to know. Of course, he never taught TM, and no other TM teacher's name appears in the puja or in the three-word buzzphrase you mindlessly repeat about someone you never met. You're losing it, Buck. In a way, we all learned how to meditate from Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, if by TM you mean /meditation that is transcendental./ When people were around SBS they didn't even need a meditation technique - /meditation was/ - just being near him. The acronym TM is just a catch-phrase, coined by you and the TMO in an effort to make us believe you were teaching us something different or special - like a trademarked gimmick you got from a guru. Get some smarts, Barry - and get back to us when you've got something original to teach. There's no TM - and everyone meditates to a certain degree, even without a technique. Go figure. *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, June 17, 2014 3:42 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus Whoa there. For my own TM teacher, someone who had journey-ed to learn to teach this and come to the wilderness of the West, I do puja to my TM initator every time I say or think, “Jai Guru Dev”. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome Fleetwood writes: Many of the old texts that talk about this state of natural freedom are not useful for modern times, and householders, so it is a fun time, now, to see the truth or otherwise, of these early texts on enlightenment. Equally satisfying is being able to quickly put the lie to those who would keep enlightenment shadowy and vague, so as to exploit others for their desire for it. Or pointing out those making a mountain of their puny experiences, as a few have here, on FFL - ex-TM teachers, anyone?? 5:13-16 Ye are the salt of the earth. Mankind, lying in ignorance and wickedness, were as a vast heap, ready to putrify; but Christ sent forth his disciples, by their lives and doctrines to season it with knowledge and grace. If they are not such as they should be, they are as salt that has lost its savour. If a man can take up the profession of a Christ, and yet remain graceless, no other doctrine, no other means, can make him profitable. Our light must shine, by doing such good works as men may see. What is between God and our souls, must be kept to ourselves; but that which is of itself open to the sight of men, we must study to make suitable to our profession, and praiseworthy. We must aim at the glory of God [The Unified Field]. I feel they [hindoos] will be better off as they better incorporate science and the substantial spiritual experience of quiet time transcendent meditation in to their studies in secular public school education. Thank the Unified Field for the continuing good progress in broad science-based public education everywhere. We will all be better off for it, -Buck mjackson74 contends: I disagree with his final premise - a lot of them actually are gullible fools. http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print image http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Why Can't Hinduism Rid Itself of Fake Gurus? http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Reason is a libertarian monthly print magazine covering politics, culture, and ideas through a provocative mix of news, analysis, commentary, and reviews. View on reason.com http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus [1 Attachment]
On 6/17/2014 8:42 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Whoa there. For my own TM teacher, someone who had journey-ed to learn to teach this and come to the wilderness of the West, I do puja to my TM initator every time I say or think, “Jai Guru Dev”. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome Like. Fleetwood writes: Many of the old texts that talk about this state of natural freedom are not useful for modern times, and householders, so it is a fun time, now, to see the truth or otherwise, of these early texts on enlightenment. Equally satisfying is being able to quickly put the lie to those who would keep enlightenment shadowy and vague, so as to exploit others for their desire for it. Or pointing out those making a mountain of their puny experiences, as a few have here, on FFL - ex-TM teachers, anyone?? 5:13-16 Ye are the salt of the earth. Mankind, lying in ignorance and wickedness, were as a vast heap, ready to putrify; but Christ sent forth his disciples, by their lives and doctrines to season it with knowledge and grace. If they are not such as they should be, they are as salt that has lost its savour. If a man can take up the profession of a Christ, and yet remain graceless, no other doctrine, no other means, can make him profitable. Our light must shine, by doing such good works as men may see. What is between God and our souls, must be kept to ourselves; but that which is of itself open to the sight of men, we must study to make suitable to our profession, and praiseworthy. We must aim at the glory of God [The Unified Field]. I feel they [hindoos] will be better off as they better incorporate science and the substantial spiritual experience of quiet time transcendent meditation in to their studies in secular public school education. Thank the Unified Field for the continuing good progress in broad science-based public education everywhere. We will all be better off for it, -Buck mjackson74 contends: I disagree with his final premise - a lot of them actually are gullible fools. http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print image http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Why Can't Hinduism Rid Itself of Fake Gurus? http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Reason is a libertarian monthly print magazine covering politics, culture, and ideas through a provocative mix of news, analysis, commentary, and reviews. View on reason.com http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake Gurus [1 Attachment]
On 6/17/2014 8:29 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Fleetwood writes: Many of the old texts that talk about this state of natural freedom are not useful for modern times, and householders, so it is a fun time, now, to see the truth or otherwise, of these early texts on enlightenment. Equally satisfying is being able to quickly put the lie to those who would keep enlightenment shadowy and vague, so as to exploit others for their desire for it. Or pointing out those making a mountain of their puny experiences, as a few have here, on FFL - ex-TM teachers, anyone?? Like. 5:13-16 Ye are the salt of the earth. Mankind, lying in ignorance and wickedness, were as a vast heap, ready to putrify; but Christ sent forth his disciples, by their lives and doctrines to season it with knowledge and grace. If they are not such as they should be, they are as salt that has lost its savour. If a man can take up the profession of a Christ, and yet remain graceless, no other doctrine, no other means, can make him profitable. Our light must shine, by doing such good works as men may see. What is between God and our souls, must be kept to ourselves; but that which is of itself open to the sight of men, we must study to make suitable to our profession, and praiseworthy. We must aim at the glory of God [The Unified Field]. I feel they [hindoos] will be better off as they better incorporate science and the substantial spiritual experience of quiet time transcendent meditation in to their studies in secular public school education. Thank the Unified Field for the continuing good progress in broad science-based public education everywhere. We will all be better off for it, -Buck mjackson74 contends: I disagree with his final premise - a lot of them actually are gullible fools. http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print image http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Why Can't Hinduism Rid Itself of Fake Gurus? http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Reason is a libertarian monthly print magazine covering politics, culture, and ideas through a provocative mix of news, analysis, commentary, and reviews. View on reason.com http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/03/why-cant-hinduism-rid-itself-of-fake-gur/print Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
Oh, don't be silly, feste. Of course you're protecting her, along with the rest of the White Knights. But nobody else on FFL, as far as I can see, seems to need such protection, even when they're being harassed (by Barry, for example) in the most unpleasant and obsessive ways. You have double standards and a huge blind spot where Share is concerned, feste. You've bought into the fake Goody Two-Shoes image she works so hard to project, but you never notice when the phony mask slips and reveals the real Share underneath. The rest of us here are pretty much WYSIWYG, thank goodness. But that isn't the case with Share, and it grates on those of us who value authenticity and honesty. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's not a matter of protection. It's simply that your harassment of Share is so persistent, so unpleasant, so obsessive, that it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. No one deserves to be pursued by a harridan like you, least of all Share, who knows how to preserve civil discourse even if you don't. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : But you obviously feel Share needs protection. Anybody else on FFL need to be protected, or is it just Share, do you think? Also, people here constantly talk about others' problems (real or imagined), and I don't recall your ever speaking up about it before. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I don't think people here need other people to diagnose some big problem that they supposedly have. People have different approaches to life, that's all. I don't think you are in a position to know what Share's problems are, or even if she has any. She is under no obligation to engage with anybody here or answer questions on demand, especially from those who do not wish her well. I think she is remarkably polite to you, given your relentless hostility and patronizing manner toward her. You noted a few days ago that posting to FFL was a hobby of yours. Well, it is Share's hobby too, so I think you should leave her alone to enjoy it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I don't hate Share, feste. I think she has some big problems she's unwilling to look at that hold her back from the person she could be. And I can tell you exactly what she could say that would appease me in this particular case. Want to hear it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I don't know why you bother, Share. This woman hates you and will take issue with whatever you say, however you say it. Nothing you could ever say would appease her.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Elizabeth Warren May be the One
Bhairitu, grass roots is exactly what's happening in FF wrt the Heartland Co-op situation. A local fellow has started a group called AHEAD and they're following guidelines from an organization called The Democracy School, which I think also grew out of a community's attempt to deal with environmental pollution. OMG! The closest we've come to physical violence in FF is when the Rt 34 bypass was being discussed. One friend said she actually felt afraid when she and her husband attended a meeting about it. Anyway, Iowa DOT ruled in favor of going south, rather than north by campus, and that night, a whole row of cars on campus had their car windows smashed out! On Saturday, June 14, 2014 2:58 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: You'll probably find more tea partiers that are pro-alternative health than you will find in the liberal ranks. Some liberals tend to be mindlessly pro-science and think alternative care is quackery even though it is being validated by research every day. Not all people aligning themselves with the tea party movement are conservatives either but more populist in dialectic. We had one candidate, a long time Democrat, campaign amongst the tea partiers against our 40 year Congressman, George Miller, because he felt that George sold us out on single payer health care. What is really needed is a grass roots movement not aligned with either party who will run the career politicians and corporate shills out of town, state and DC. The revolution should begin in your own community by seeing if your city council really has the interest of it's citizens in mind or their own pocketbooks. The latter happens because no one wants to run for these offices except opportunists. Or locally I heard that one person who did make on the council and was planning to run for re-election was told not to or he would not live to take office. On 06/14/2014 12:13 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bhairitu, huh?! Why are Tea Partyers anti GMO? That surprises me. I think there were only 22 Dems who voted against the Monsanto Protection bill. On Saturday, June 14, 2014 2:01 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Pro-GMO and Pro-Monsanto is political suicide. We need to actively campaign against anyone thus so. Unfortunately the majority of anti-GMO candidates are Tea Partiers. On 06/14/2014 10:43 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: John, I think it's a mixed bag wrt Elizabeth Warren. She's getting a lot of press and she's a fresh face. BUT, she's inexperienced. Her vote pro Monsanto might alienate the liberals. Her championing leniency on college loans might alienate blue color liberals. If there are any left in the US! How is she on abortion? Yes, she's taking on the banksters, and that's a great start, but consequently, where will her campaign funding come from? Did you ever get a chance to look at her chart? On Saturday, June 14, 2014 11:28 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: One writer states she's presidential material. What do you think? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/elizabeth-warren-not-hill_b_5491171.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment
Companies like HBO and Showtime were caught with their pants down when the public started going streaming, much more than they ever anticipated. The premium channels would probably just like to sell the episodes the next day streaming like many of the cable networks do but they are bound by contracts with the telecoms. When those expire I expect they will make them available sooner streaming. HBO just made True Detective available streaming but it can cost almost as much as buying the Blu-ray disc. But you wind up owning it on the cloud. I watched one episode of Thrones when I had HBO but it was not my cuppa tea. Even among much of the drek that is TV there is still plenty for me to choose from and I still like to limit how much time I spend watching (contrary to what FFL'ers believe). On 06/17/2014 03:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bhairitu would know more about legal access than I do, being of the eyepatch persuasion myself. I know that it's on HBO in the US, and thus tightly controlled. I don't know what it takes to watch it in the UK. I have not read the books, preferring to watch the whole TV series rather than spoil it by *sorta* knowing what's coming next. The sorta means that they have reputedly deviated from the books somewhat. IMO it's the best thing on television right now, in terms of scope and budget if nothing else. The plotting is masterful, the quality of the acting is amazing, and the sets and locations are To Die For, easily as well-done as anything in the Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit films, and in many ways better. But it's a long slog to catch up, with each season being 10 episodes long and the 4th season having just finished. How many more there will be will depend on when and if George R.R. Martin ever finishes the series of books. My plan is to watch all of the TV version, then read the books, then go back and watch the entire series again, from the start. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ** I've never seen Game of Thrones or read the books. I heard it was worth the effort but none of the books are numbered so I don't know which is the first! Someone should have a word with someone at the publishers about that.make it easy for us. And if it's been on terrestrial TV then it escaped my radar, probably on Sky or something ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'll bet. :-) What's most hilarious is that they don't get it. Jimbo is so dumb he actually believes that Game Of Thrones is a children's fantasy, and of course Judy would never lower herself to watch something I like. Thus neither of them will ever figure out what scene I'm riffing on, where exactly Tywin Lannister is sitting, how *badly* he misunderstood and underestimated the people he believes he has a right to torment, what happens to him next, and how fitting a fate it is. It's like when I compared Judy to Meryl Streep's portrayal of the insane nun Sister Aloysius in Doubt. The parallel is perfect, but she'll never really get it because she's afraid to watch the movie. Same with Share and I comparing her to Dolores Umbridge in the Harry Potter books and movies. Her willful ignorance will keep her from ever getting how apt the comparisons are. *From:* Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:03 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment I am smiling! *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, June 16, 2014 4:10 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] For Michael -- Game Of Thrones comment After watching the final episode of the season, I found myself thinking that Tywin Lannister is right up there in the all-time pantheon of egos who think they're better than the people they're used to intimidating, only to learn to their dismay -- and too late -- that they know nothing about them. He's right up there on that...uh...throne alongside the two J's -- Jimbo and Judy. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Daniel Ingram: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 06/17/2014
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Sends U.S.Troops to Iraq
On 6/17/2014 3:43 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Obama is in a tough situation. But the die has been cast. The US cannot get involved in an Islamic civil war. Why can't they? If they hadn't opened the door for sectarian violence and al-Queda in 2003 this wouldn't be happening. It isn't like they weren't warned... The Iraqis had their chance to forge a nation for their own benefit, but apparently cannot do so. This is the reason the US didn't invade Iraq after the first Gulf war, the best analysis showed that a Shia/Sunni rift was all but inevitable and without a long term stabilising force they'd be better off leaving Saddam in charge. Which didn't stop the US UK encouraging the southern marsh Arabs to rise up against Saddam, promising them any help in a revolution before pulling out and leaving them high and dry and facing severe reprisals from Saddam, which they got and the attrocities formed part of the dossier presented to British MP's about how we need to get rid of Saddam! If the country had to be divided due to religious reasons, let it be so. This may be the best answer, rather than having constant bombings in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq. It's inevitable, the region was split along Shia/Sunni lines for centuries before the French and British carved it up to benefit their own imperial ends, trouble is everyone is so fired up with jihad that any Islamic state will inevitably start planning more 9/11 type attacks. And we have big plans for Iraqi oil, which is supposed to be taking over when the Saudi wells start to run dry. All a bit of a pickle really The U.S., Britain and Europe have an insatiable appetite for oil, maybe greater now than a few years ago. And now there is a panic - Russian oil and gas may be turned off any day. The U.S. and Britain have left a power void in Iraq and now it's being filled by insurgents. Iran will own Iraq in a few years. We will probably go to war to protect Saudi Arabia. At any rate, there won't be a stable Middle East anytime soon. Maybe it's time to implement Plan B since that smart diplomacy doesn't seem to be working out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Sends U.S.Troops to Iraq
On 6/17/2014 12:54 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: If the country had to be divided due to religious reasons, let it be so. This may be the best answer, rather than having constant bombings in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq. I'm not convinced that dividing up Iraq along sectarian lines is going to stop the constant bombings in Baghdad or elsewhere in Iraq. There's no Iraqi state now - it's a full scale civil war already. Iran will step in to fill the power void left by the U.S. That's what I think - Iran will be the new super-power in the Middle East.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
For decades?? Share, you've known me for less than a single decade. What on earth would lead you to think you knew what I've been doing for decades? It couldn't be that you're taking Barry's word as gospel, could it? I've certainly been hammering Barry for decades (or almost two), but as you've been told several times now, he's been hammering me at least as relentlessly, and far more nastily, for the same length of time. As I noted, he was attacking me shortly after his arrival on FFL, well before I ever got here. I'm afraid your theories will need to be revised to take facts into account. Judy is another story, being way harsher and self righteous. What compels a person to participate in such a manner so unrelentingly? And for decades! I admit it totally baffles me. Well, not totally. I have my theories. Which I'm sure you guys would LOVE to hear LOL!
[FairfieldLife] Do Purusha(s) Have Agency (the capacity to act)
From my minimalist way of understanding, Shyam Ranganathan is suggesting, as he did in his translation and commentary of the Yoga sSutra that Purusha = Person indeed does have Agency according to the great philosopher Maharishi Patanjali. The Sankhya Karika appears to state that it is nature that brings about freedom, while Patañjali’s view seems to be that it is persons that are the explanation of freedom (I write about this in my introduction to my translation). The relevant points of comparison are the Sankhya Karika 17, 44–45, 62–64, where the person is described as irrelevant to the process of liberation, and Yoga Sutra I.21, IV.18, and IV.29 where persons and their self improvement are treated as instrumental to liberation . . . http://indianphilosophyblog.org/2014/03/07/moral-standing-and-yoga/ irrelevant to the process of liberation sayest the Sankhya Karika persons and their self improvement are treated as instrumental to liberation sayest the Yoga Sutra Letting go for a moment (or two) everything you've read, thought and talked about, concentrated on, contemplated . . . and based on your Person(al) experience of tens of thousands of hours of meditation, what sez you? Do Purusha(s) = You have agency regarding their/Your realization, enlightenment and liberation? Or as the Sankhya Karika and Vedanta suggest, from my understanding, Purusha, Person, Pure Awareness, is but the observer with no capacity to act at all. And what did Maharishi have to say?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
Barry! Re: Emily's more of a puzzle, in that she seems to have really, really, really developed her own personal vendetta against Share. It may have *started* with her just following the girls in the Mean Girls Club, but now the opportunity to dump on Share is pretty much the only thing that draws her back to FFL. She's addicted to Judy's playbook, having found it a good fit for herself. And interestingly, she's even more in denial about her real motivations for doing this (hatred) than Judy is. On some level, I think Judy may actually be aware of how insanely vindictive she is; I don't think Emily is, or will ever be. She's in complete denial. SHARE, CHECK OUT THESE LYRICS! HEY, JUST IN CASE YOU ARE CURIOUS, THE KEY TO GETTING OVER RESENTMENT IS MEDITATING ON A WORD THAT STARTS WITH F; KNOW WHAT IT IS? HAVE A GREAT DAY SHARE. LOVE, EM Say What You Need To Say John Mayer Lyrics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfWcPu7g2k8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfWcPu7g2k8 Say What You Need To Say John Mayer Lyrics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfWcPu7g2k8 this time i am going to do the karate kid 2010 View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfWcPu7g2k8 Preview by Yahoo Barry! Ah ha ha ha. This is so funny! [Note to self: Do try and figure out why you laugh so hard on this forum; there must be something terribly wrong with you, considering the way you seem to offend certain others with your sense of humor. Try and develop a softer edge; you can do it. You and your ego have the ability to effect change within you! If that doesn't work, try tapping it out! Or, take note of what is written on the website for the Sedona Method (see below) - letting go of feelings is easy for Share! It's working for Share, it might work for you too. She is *not* holding onto fear of you and the assumption you are *mean* based on her own inability to be accountable for her own behavior stemming back to the RWC kerfuffle. She did *not* etch out, on a stone tablet, to be forever referred to as *proof*, her judgment of you (that she apparently took from Barry's playbook) that she *knows* to be *true*, because she thinks it is!] It is not that feelings don’t occasionally appear to be justified. It’s just that feelings are only feelings; feelings are not who we are—and we can easily let them go http://www.sedona.com/sample-of-process.asp. Choosing to let them go frees us to perceive what is actually here, and to act, or refrain from acting, accordingly. This translates into an ability to handle life: to make stronger, clearer choices. It allows you and me to act in ways that support us in achieving our goals and aspirations, as opposed to sabotaging them. I have seen the process of letting go of the emotions grow into an ability to have more money http://www.sedona.com/financial-abundance.asp, better relationships http://www.sedona.com/relationships.asp, more radiant health and physical well-being http://www.sedona.com/health-and-wellness.asp, and an ability to be happy, calm, and focused, no matter what is going on around us. If you've tried mental techniques, you know that it is very difficult to create a change. It requires massive energy and focus. It's a hard thing to do! But releasing operates on the feeling level. It's easy. You can let go of years of mental programs and accumulated feelings in just seconds using the Sedona Method's unique techniques http://www.sedona.com/how-the-sedona-method-is-unique.asp. There are no complicated processes or reprogramming or affirmations to plaster all over your computer-screen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Graphing Andrew Cohen's waking state intellect
God Nabby, can you not see the ridiculous nature of your statement? Marshy himself was the most co-dependent person you ever saw - he didn't do a damn thing on his own - he had people cut his hair, cook his food, AND especially supply him with the money to lead the life of a dilettante leech and near sociopath. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Graphing Andrew Cohen's waking state intellect From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Amongst a whole range of topics it's interesting that you also mention fulfillment of the householder vs the recluse. Maharishi made us cherish the recluse way of life because one is self-sufficient and dependent of nobody. Oh yeah? How many thousands of dollars did you beg from other people to pay for your time on Purusha? But it's valuable only if the time not used for family is spent in spiritual pursuits. Since the goal of both ways of living is fulfillment it all boils down to how the short time here is spent. When we get there the fulfillment is equal. It's also interesting to note that the majority of the Masters in the Holy tradition were householders. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : To put my experience with MMY and TM, into perspective, I grew up in the East, so all the meditation and incense, temples, holy men, and all of that, were culturally normal. I also grew up in a Western family, and was exposed to formal Western religion, which I liked, and became an altar boy. All on the backdrop of moving around South East Asia, including many explorations, of the remotest places my dad could reach. So, when TM and MMY came along, for me, at 21, in terms of my life experience, it wasn't unusual, but more of a practical and challenging solution, to make sense of an incredible life, and to continue it. I did not slow down, or uncritically give myself over to the TM Movement, though I did work for them several times, and considered TTC. All in all, though, TM and MMY have fulfilled my desire, as guides for an amazing life - more like discovering the freeway system, allowing me to get anywhere, fast, vs. a singular and limited path, to a lonely mountain top. I do recall MMY saying that the greatest fulfillment is as a householder, vs. a recluse. Seems obvious with all the manifold riches, and deep challenges, brought to us, by family and social life, that there is no greater way to live, and fully appreciate, all that this planet provides for us. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Thanks - yes, I know that many people aren't comfortable discussing this stuff. I think it is the Science Of Being/Art of Living, MMY makes reference to people being embarrassed to even speak about God and religion. I am always coming up with new ways to express myself artistically, so it is easy to see spirituality and enlightenment, not in terms of singular pursuits, but one of the things we do, along with everything else. I have led an incredibly rich and diverse life, and stopped looking at a solely Eastern (or Western) perspective for spirituality, quite a long time ago. All the formal stuff is partial maps, anyway. What I discuss with David is the experiential, vs. recited or written, sequence, of the unfolding of consciousness, and noticeable events along the way. It has been really helpful for me, and pretty amazing, since we have not met one another, that our experiences, though abstract and subtle, can be shared and understood. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : well, for those inclined to discuss their experiences, great. But I think there is a natural predisposition to keep to oneself about experiences. Of course, that is just me. It's been brought up several times that the yogic flyers have been encouraged to discuss their A experiences. I don't think that would appeal to me, possibly because I don't have much in the way of flash, and also I've stepped away from the Eastern way of evaluating experiences to some extent. I've read your comments and those of David on Batgap. I find them interesting, and pretty genuine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yeah, I find that as more and more people gain enlightenment, there are many perspectives and comparisons to be made. It is like uncovering a long lost language, or experience. Many of the old texts that talk about this state of natural freedom are not useful for modern times, and householders, so it is a fun time, now, to see the truth or otherwise, of these early texts on enlightenment. Equally satisfying is being able to quickly put the lie to those who would keep enlightenment
[FairfieldLife] For Sal
A Game of Thrones A Clash of Kings A Storm of Swords A Feast for Crows A Dance with Dragons
[FairfieldLife] Re: Graphing Andrew Cohen's waking state intellect
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Sends U.S.Troops to Iraq
It may be so. But the Sunni militants can't operate as easily when most of the people are Shiites. The neighbors and local imams can alert the central government troops of any potential terrorist cell activities. IMO, Obama and his team are already making negotiations with Iran to step in and the roles both countries will play to keep Iraq afloat for at least the time being. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/17/2014 12:54 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: If the country had to be divided due to religious reasons, let it be so. This may be the best answer, rather than having constant bombings in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq. I'm not convinced that dividing up Iraq along sectarian lines is going to stop the constant bombings in Baghdad or elsewhere in Iraq. There's no Iraqi state now - it's a full scale civil war already. Iran will step in to fill the power void left by the U.S. That's what I think - Iran will be the new super-power in the Middle East.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Sal
Ta! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : A Game of Thrones A Clash of Kings A Storm of Swords A Feast for Crows A Dance with Dragons
[FairfieldLife] Re: Graphing Andrew Cohen's waking state intellect
It seems some mistakes are here and there as my answer trotted along without a text... Anyway Mr. Fleetwood: You seem to be in good company as the majority of the Masters in The Holy Tradition were householders :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Sends U.S.Troops to Iraq
Salyavin, My reply is in blue letters. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Obama is in a tough situation. But the die has been cast. The US cannot get involved in an Islamic civil war. Why can't they? If they hadn't opened the door for sectarian violence and al-Queda in 2003 this wouldn't be happening. It isn't like they weren't warned... The US administration has learned that Bush made a mistake in attacking Iraq in the first place. Bush was acting like a gunslinger from Texas without thinking about the situation before and after making the attack against Saddam. The Iraqis had their chance to forge a nation for their own benefit, but apparently cannot do so. This is the reason the US didn't invade Iraq after the first Gulf war, the best analysis showed that a Shia/Sunni rift was all but inevitable and without a long term stabilising force they'd be better off leaving Saddam in charge. Which didn't stop the US UK encouraging the southern marsh Arabs to rise up against Saddam, promising them any help in a revolution before pulling out and leaving them high and dry and facing severe reprisals from Saddam, which they got and the attrocities formed part of the dossier presented to British MP's about how we need to get rid of Saddam! This is the reason why I believe Bush 1 was a better decision maker than George W. Bush 1 knew what his mission was and did not bother going after Saddam, knowing the complications that would result. But George W was poorly advised by his cabinet staff that Saddam had WMD. I believe the National Security Agency and Condaleeza Rice are to blame for providing the erroneous information. The CIA chief, at the time, disagreed with the idea that Saddam had WMD. For this position, George W later awarded the chief a Congressional Medal of Honor for his role in the invasion. When I saw this on TV, I thought I was seeing a movie parody of of the government's absurdity. It's very clear now that George W's pre-emptive war doctrine was a fiasco. If the country had to be divided due to religious reasons, let it be so. This may be the best answer, rather than having constant bombings in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq. It's inevitable, the region was split along Shia/Sunni lines for centuries before the French and British carved it up to benefit their own imperial ends, trouble is everyone is so fired up with jihad that any Islamic state will inevitably start planning more 9/11 type attacks. And we have big plans for Iraqi oil, which is supposed to be taking over when the Saudi wells start to run dry. All a bit of a pickle really The Iraq War scenario is like a very complicated chess game. The Americans and European allies were looking at their interest, primarily the stabilization of the Middle East and the acquisition of oil, as the main goals. But Bush gravely miscalculated the pawns, or the people of Iraq, which had allegiances based on sectarian lines and not by geographical boundaries. IMO, Obama knows the sectarian issue that's plaguing the Iraqi government. That's why he stated he will not send American troops back in there. The question now is: can he make the right decision given the factors that he's dealt with?
[FairfieldLife] Super Canon from the Navy
It could hit targets from 100 miles away. That distance is roughly from San Francisco to Sacramento, CA. IOW, you can't even see who or what you're firing at. That means, a GPS system must be used to hone in on the exact target. http://portal.kiplinger.com/slideshow/business/T057-S010-9-military-technologies-that-will-change-warfare/index.html http://portal.kiplinger.com/slideshow/business/T057-S010-9-military-technologies-that-will-change-warfare/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Sends U.S.Troops to Iraq
Good analysis - Yep, Bush was acting on the sentiment in the US, post-911, that No One Fucks With The US, And Gets Away With It. But he overplayed his hand, surrounded by a bunch of hotheads, and got us locked into a position that is only defensible as total, continuous war, on terror, which quickly becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Tough for the US to back down, now, without looking weak and conciliatory, at a time when Russia's and China's needs for economic markets are growing. My bet is on Obama calling for stiff sanctions, as a face-saving measure, while ramping up the CIA in-country, waiting for an eventual schism in Iraq, under Islamic rule. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, My reply is in blue letters. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Obama is in a tough situation. But the die has been cast. The US cannot get involved in an Islamic civil war. Why can't they? If they hadn't opened the door for sectarian violence and al-Queda in 2003 this wouldn't be happening. It isn't like they weren't warned... The US administration has learned that Bush made a mistake in attacking Iraq in the first place. Bush was acting like a gunslinger from Texas without thinking about the situation before and after making the attack against Saddam. The Iraqis had their chance to forge a nation for their own benefit, but apparently cannot do so. This is the reason the US didn't invade Iraq after the first Gulf war, the best analysis showed that a Shia/Sunni rift was all but inevitable and without a long term stabilising force they'd be better off leaving Saddam in charge. Which didn't stop the US UK encouraging the southern marsh Arabs to rise up against Saddam, promising them any help in a revolution before pulling out and leaving them high and dry and facing severe reprisals from Saddam, which they got and the attrocities formed part of the dossier presented to British MP's about how we need to get rid of Saddam! This is the reason why I believe Bush 1 was a better decision maker than George W. Bush 1 knew what his mission was and did not bother going after Saddam, knowing the complications that would result. But George W was poorly advised by his cabinet staff that Saddam had WMD. I believe the National Security Agency and Condaleeza Rice are to blame for providing the erroneous information. The CIA chief, at the time, disagreed with the idea that Saddam had WMD. For this position, George W later awarded the chief a Congressional Medal of Honor for his role in the invasion. When I saw this on TV, I thought I was seeing a movie parody of of the government's absurdity. It's very clear now that George W's pre-emptive war doctrine was a fiasco. If the country had to be divided due to religious reasons, let it be so. This may be the best answer, rather than having constant bombings in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq. It's inevitable, the region was split along Shia/Sunni lines for centuries before the French and British carved it up to benefit their own imperial ends, trouble is everyone is so fired up with jihad that any Islamic state will inevitably start planning more 9/11 type attacks. And we have big plans for Iraqi oil, which is supposed to be taking over when the Saudi wells start to run dry. All a bit of a pickle really The Iraq War scenario is like a very complicated chess game. The Americans and European allies were looking at their interest, primarily the stabilization of the Middle East and the acquisition of oil, as the main goals. But Bush gravely miscalculated the pawns, or the people of Iraq, which had allegiances based on sectarian lines and not by geographical boundaries. IMO, Obama knows the sectarian issue that's plaguing the Iraqi government. That's why he stated he will not send American troops back in there. The question now is: can he make the right decision given the factors that he's dealt with?
[FairfieldLife] Another illustration why Islam must be restrained by force
European Slaves in The Islamic Empire. http://secularafrican.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/european-slaves-in-the-islamic-empire/ http://secularafrican.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/european-slaves-in-the-islamic-empire/ European Slaves in The Islamic Empire. http://secularafrican.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/european-slaves-in-the-islamic-empire/ There are key differences between the Atlantic Slave Trade and the Eastern Slave Trade (aka Arab/ Islamic Slave Trade). While the Atlantic Slave Trade ... View on secularafrican.word... http://secularafrican.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/european-slaves-in-the-islamic-empire/ Preview by Yahoo http://secularafrican.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/european-slaves-in-the-islamic-empire/ http://secularafrican.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/european-slaves-in-the-islamic-empire/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Super Canon from the Navy
Always a little horrifying to see cutting-edge technology used for this. But, remote death, and destruction, is the ONLY way to perpetuate war, on a massive scale. Soldier on soldier butchery, in this modern age, would bring the whole thing to a rapid close, especially if the Generals, and Commander-In-Chief, had to physically charge into battle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : It could hit targets from 100 miles away. That distance is roughly from San Francisco to Sacramento, CA. IOW, you can't even see who or what you're firing at. That means, a GPS system must be used to hone in on the exact target. http://portal.kiplinger.com/slideshow/business/T057-S010-9-military-technologies-that-will-change-warfare/index.html http://portal.kiplinger.com/slideshow/business/T057-S010-9-military-technologies-that-will-change-warfare/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Chopra's Consciousness Challenge....
Worth a read. Woomeister Chopra challenges science to explain consciousness with a Randi style prize. The money suggests he feels confident that there is no scientific solution to the hard problem of consciousness- in the same way that James Randi feels confident there is no paranormal. The trouble for Chopra is that, while no one has managed to demonstrate even a tiny morsel of magical powers, we know quite a lot about consciousness already. Here's hoping for a swift solution to the hard problem as he's one bullshit artist I'd like to see with some egg on his face. And a million bucks would be a lot of egg. Deepak Chopra embarrasses himself by offering a million-dollar prize http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ Deepak Chopra embarrasses himself by offering a million-... http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ I realize now that Chopra's affliction with Maru's Syndrome—the condition described by Dr. Maru as When I see a box, I cannot help but enter—is ... View on whyevolutionistrue.wor... http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Purusha(s) Have Agency (the capacity to act)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, soundofstillness@... wrote : From my minimalist way of understanding, Shyam Ranganathan is suggesting, as he did in his translation and commentary of the Yoga sSutra that Purusha = Person indeed does have Agency according to the great philosopher Maharishi Patanjali. The Sankhya Karika appears to state that it is nature that brings about freedom, while Patañjali’s view seems to be that it is persons that are the explanation of freedom (I write about this in my introduction to my translation). The relevant points of comparison are the Sankhya Karika 17, 44–45, 62–64, where the person is described as irrelevant to the process of liberation, and Yoga Sutra I.21, IV.18, and IV.29 where persons and their self improvement are treated as instrumental to liberation . . . http://indianphilosophyblog.org/2014/03/07/moral-standing-and-yoga/ irrelevant to the process of liberation sayest the Sankhya Karika persons and their self improvement are treated as instrumental to liberation sayest the Yoga Sutra Letting go for a moment (or two) everything you've read, thought and talked about, concentrated on, contemplated . . . and based on your Person(al) experience of tens of thousands of hours of meditation, what sez you? Do Purusha(s) = You have agency regarding their/Your realization, enlightenment and liberation? NO Or as the Sankhya Karika and Vedanta suggest, from my understanding, Purusha, Person, Pure Awareness, is but the observer with no capacity to act at all. And what did Maharishi have to say? Ask one of former teachers here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Chopra's Consciousness Challenge....
So you don't like Ol' Deepak, eh? why, pray tell? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 5:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Chopra's Consciousness Challenge Worth a read. Woomeister Chopra challenges science to explain consciousness with a Randi style prize. The money suggests he feels confident that there is no scientific solution to the hard problem of consciousness- in the same way that James Randi feels confident there is no paranormal. The trouble for Chopra is that, while no one has managed to demonstrate even a tiny morsel of magical powers, we know quite a lot about consciousness already. Here's hoping for a swift solution to the hard problem as he's one bullshit artist I'd like to see with some egg on his face. And a million bucks would be a lot of egg. Deepak Chopra embarrasses himself by offering a million-dollar prize Deepak Chopra embarrasses himself by offering a million-... I realize now that Chopra's affliction with Maru's Syndrome—the condition described by Dr. Maru as When I see a box, I cannot help but enter—is ... View on whyevolutionistrue.wor... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Do Purusha(s) Have Agency (the capacity to act)
On 6/17/2014 1:07 PM, soundofstilln...@ymail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: From my minimalist way of understanding, Shyam Ranganathan is suggesting, as he did in his translation and commentary of the Yoga sSutra that Purusha = Person indeed does have Agency according to the great philosopher Maharishi Patanjali. The Sankhya Karika appears to state that it is nature that brings about freedom, while Patañjali’s view seems to be that it is persons that are the explanation of freedom (I write about this in my introduction to my translation). The relevant points of comparison are the Sankhya Karika 17, 44–45, 62–64, where the person is described as irrelevant to the process of liberation, and Yoga Sutra I.21, IV.18, and IV.29 where persons and their self improvement are treated as instrumental to liberation . . . http://indianphilosophyblog.org/2014/03/07/moral-standing-and-yoga/ irrelevant to the process of liberation sayest the Sankhya Karika persons and their self improvement are treated as instrumental to liberation sayest the Yoga Sutra Letting go for a moment (or two) everything you've read, thought and talked about, concentrated on, contemplated . . . and based on your Person(al) experience of tens of thousands of hours of meditation, what sez you? Do Purusha(s) = You have agency regarding their/Your realization, enlightenment and liberation? Or as the Sankhya Karika and Vedanta suggest, from my understanding, Purusha, Person, Pure Awareness, is but the observer with no capacity to act at all. And what did Maharishi have to say? In commenting on Bhagavad Gita, Maharishi has brought our attention to the existence of the gunas, whose concern is action, which, in every case, is the result of the interplay of three constituents born of nature - eternal becoming, termed prakriti in the Gita. Rajas, sattva and tamas - these three propensities regulate the state of action and are relative to each other and to all that exists in the phenomenal world. That is, nature, which is everything, is subject to the law of causation - cause and effect. It is the gunas, without exception, that govern all action-reaction in the material world, according to the rishis. However, Maharishi has also called our attention to the fact that nature, governed by the three gunas, is entirely separate from the transcendental field - the field of Being, termed Purusha in the Gita. Work cited: On the Bhagavad Gita By Maharishi Mahesh Yogi II., v. 45, p. 126 VI., v. 1, p. 384
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Sends U.S.Troops to Iraq
On 6/17/2014 2:27 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It may be so. But the Sunni militants can't operate as easily when most of the people are Shiites. The neighbors and local imams can alert the central government troops of any potential terrorist cell activities. According to what I've read, the insurgents are passing through Sunni dominated districts but they will be slowed or maybe stopped before they get to Baghdad. Boots on the ground won't come from Syria because their forces are already stretched thin. Iran already has some QUDS forces inside Iraq. Partitioning Iraq along sectarian lines is too complicated. The problem is, the insurgents now have millions of dollars in gold looted from the bank. IMO, Obama and his team are already making negotiations with Iran to step in and the roles both countries will play to keep Iraq afloat for at least the time being. Probably the only thing that save Iraq as a nation is boots on the ground to rout out and destroy the ISIS. Who is going to do that? The problem is, we stopped after invading Afghanistan and Iraq - we should have taken over the whole Middle East - after all, we created it in the first place - lines drawn in the sand after WW II. Instead, we isolated ourselves and let the dictators and religious extremists take over. Now, we have to deal with nuclear armed religious sects based on opposing religious sectarianism. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/17/2014 12:54 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: If the country had to be divided due to religious reasons, let it be so. This may be the best answer, rather than having constant bombings in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq. I'm not convinced that dividing up Iraq along sectarian lines is going to stop the constant bombings in Baghdad or elsewhere in Iraq. There's no Iraqi state now - it's a full scale civil war already. Iran will step in to fill the power void left by the U.S. That's what I think - Iran will be the new super-power in the Middle East.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Super Canon from the Navy
I'm afraid future wars will be fought by remote control with the Generals looking at their computer laptops to conduct the attacks and maneuvers. We already have the drones in operation to kill targets. Very soon, we'll have robot soldiers to initiate the surge against enemy combatants after pummeling the area with aerial bombings and tomahawk missiles. War will become methodical, clinical, precise, quick and extremely deadly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Always a little horrifying to see cutting-edge technology used for this. But, remote death, and destruction, is the ONLY way to perpetuate war, on a massive scale. Soldier on soldier butchery, in this modern age, would bring the whole thing to a rapid close, especially if the Generals, and Commander-In-Chief, had to physically charge into battle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : It could hit targets from 100 miles away. That distance is roughly from San Francisco to Sacramento, CA. IOW, you can't even see who or what you're firing at. That means, a GPS system must be used to hone in on the exact target. http://portal.kiplinger.com/slideshow/business/T057-S010-9-military-technologies-that-will-change-warfare/index.html http://portal.kiplinger.com/slideshow/business/T057-S010-9-military-technologies-that-will-change-warfare/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Consciousness Challenge....
Many of the popular physics writers, like Hawking and Krauss, don't believe in including consciousness in their cosmological theories. If they did, they'd realize that their assumptions about the beginning of the universe to be illogical and wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Worth a read. Woomeister Chopra challenges science to explain consciousness with a Randi style prize. The money suggests he feels confident that there is no scientific solution to the hard problem of consciousness- in the same way that James Randi feels confident there is no paranormal. The trouble for Chopra is that, while no one has managed to demonstrate even a tiny morsel of magical powers, we know quite a lot about consciousness already. Here's hoping for a swift solution to the hard problem as he's one bullshit artist I'd like to see with some egg on his face. And a million bucks would be a lot of egg. Deepak Chopra embarrasses himself by offering a million-dollar prize http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ Deepak Chopra embarrasses himself by offering a million-... http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ I realize now that Chopra's affliction with Maru's Syndrome—the condition described by Dr. Maru as When I see a box, I cannot help but enter—is ... View on whyevolutionistrue.wor... http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Another illustration why Islam must be restrained by force
It is an economic imperative that we stabilize the world's oil supply. The question is, how do we do that? With smart diplomacy - or failing that, with force of arms? When you come up against a violent, religious fanatic, extremist bent on destroying us, are we just going to sit back and be destroyed? There will be no solution to the Middle East problem so long as religious extremists are in control - it's a training camp for jihad. Go figure. On 6/17/2014 4:25 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: European Slaves in The Islamic Empire. http://secularafrican.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/european-slaves-in-the-islamic-empire/ image http://secularafrican.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/european-slaves-in-the-islamic-empire/ European Slaves in The Islamic Empire. http://secularafrican.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/european-slaves-in-the-islamic-empire/ There are key differences between the Atlantic Slave Trade and the Eastern Slave Trade (aka Arab/ Islamic Slave Trade). While the Atlantic Slave Trade ... View on secularafrican.word... http://secularafrican.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/european-slaves-in-the-islamic-empire/ Preview by Yahoo http://secularafrican.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/european-slaves-in-the-islamic-empire/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Consciousness Challenge....
On 6/17/2014 7:40 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Many of the popular physics writers, like Hawking and Krauss, don't believe in including consciousness in their cosmological theories. If they did, they'd realize that their assumptions about the beginning of the universe to be illogical and wrong. Apparently there is nothing in physics that indicates that there should be a human consciousness. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Worth a read. Woomeister Chopra challenges science to explain consciousness with a Randi style prize. The money suggests he feels confident that there is no scientific solution to the hard problem of consciousness- in the same way that James Randi feels confident there is no paranormal. The trouble for Chopra is that, while no one has managed to demonstrate even a tiny morsel of magical powers, we know quite a lot about consciousness already. Here's hoping for a swift solution to the hard problem as he's one bullshit artist I'd like to see with some egg on his face. And a million bucks would be a lot of egg. Deepak Chopra embarrasses himself by offering a million-dollar prize http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ image http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ Deepak Chopra embarrasses himself by offering a million-... http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ I realize now that Chopra's affliction with Maru's Syndrome—the condition described by Dr. Maru as When I see a box, I cannot help but enter—is ... View on whyevolutionistrue.wor... http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Do Purusha(s) Have Agency (the capacity to act)
SoundofStillness, I used the concordance to Maharishi's Gita translation and checked the references under effort. Chapter 4, vs 12 to 15 seem useful wrt to your question. In vs 12, Maharishi makes the point that animals depend on the force of evolution to move upward. But humans have freedom of action and therefore development depends upon how he acts and what he does. Also in vs 12 Maharishi introduces the idea that the Lord gives rise to all action AND at the same time is separate from it. this is elaborate on in the next few verses. On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 6:01 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/17/2014 1:07 PM, soundofstilln...@ymail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: From my minimalist way of understanding, Shyam Ranganathan is suggesting, as he did in his translation and commentary of the Yoga sSutra that Purusha = Person indeed does have Agency according to the great philosopher Maharishi Patanjali. The Sankhya Karika appears to state that it is nature that brings about freedom, while Patañjali’s view seems to be that it is persons that are the explanation of freedom (I write about this in my introduction to my translation). The relevant points of comparison are the Sankhya Karika 17, 44–45, 62–64, where the person is described as irrelevant to the process of liberation, and Yoga Sutra I.21, IV.18, and IV.29 where persons and their self improvement are treated as instrumental to liberation . . . http://indianphilosophyblog.org/2014/03/07/moral-standing-and-yoga/ irrelevant to the process of liberation sayest the Sankhya Karika persons and their self improvement are treated as instrumental to liberation sayest the Yoga Sutra Letting go for a moment (or two) everything you've read, thought and talked about, concentrated on, contemplated . . . and based on your Person(al) experience of tens of thousands of hours of meditation, what sez you? Do Purusha(s) = You have agency regarding their/Your realization, enlightenment and liberation? Or as the Sankhya Karika and Vedanta suggest, from my understanding, Purusha, Person, Pure Awareness, is but the observer with no capacity to act at all. And what did Maharishi have to say? In commenting on Bhagavad Gita, Maharishi has brought our attention to the existence of the gunas, whose concern is action, which, in every case, is the result of the interplay of three constituents born of nature - eternal becoming, termed prakriti in the Gita. Rajas, sattva and tamas - these three propensities regulate the state of action and are relative to each other and to all that exists in the phenomenal world. That is, nature, which is everything, is subject to the law of causation - cause and effect. It is the gunas, without exception, that govern all action-reaction in the material world, according to the rishis. However, Maharishi has also called our attention to the fact that nature, governed by the three gunas, is entirely separate from the transcendental field - the field of Being, termed Purusha in the Gita. Work cited: On the Bhagavad Gita By Maharishi Mahesh Yogi II., v. 45, p. 126 VI., v. 1, p. 384
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Super Canon from the Navy
War is the product of an adolescent mind. We need to take away the toys from these boys. On 06/17/2014 05:25 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm afraid future wars will be fought by remote control with the Generals looking at their computer laptops to conduct the attacks and maneuvers. We already have the drones in operation to kill targets. Very soon, we'll have robot soldiers to initiate the surge against enemy combatants after pummeling the area with aerial bombings and tomahawk missiles. War will become methodical, clinical, precise, quick and extremely deadly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Always a little horrifying to see cutting-edge technology used for this. But, remote death, and destruction, is the ONLY way to perpetuate war, on a massive scale. Soldier on soldier butchery, in this modern age, would bring the whole thing to a rapid close, especially if the Generals, and Commander-In-Chief, had to physically charge into battle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : It could hit targets from 100 miles away. That distance is roughly from San Francisco to Sacramento, CA. IOW, you can't even see who or what you're firing at. That means, a GPS system must be used to hone in on the exact target. http://portal.kiplinger.com/slideshow/business/T057-S010-9-military-technologies-that-will-change-warfare/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
Here's what I find kind of interesting, if I've got it right. When a person returns to posting after being away for a while, you expect a fresh perspective, like we got from RD, with that beautiful poem, and also noticing that she refrains from participating in negativity. (okay, 2016 campaign hasn't started (-; But then Edg comes back, full of all that old anger towards Richard, as though the disagreements were yesterday. Like I say, I'm not sure if Richard said something that triggered Edg on this last round, but it seemed to come out of nowhere. And really, that's kind of scary to think that a person hasn't changed in so many months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote : A theory provides an explanatory framework for some observation, and from the assumptions of the explanation follows a number of possible hypotheses that can be tested in order to provide support for, or challenge, the theory. Wikipedia. Warning: Opinions, assumptions and theories offered on FFLife will be challenged if based on fantasy or lies.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
When did Marshy ever change? He told the same old story for decades and lied every time he told them. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 11:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann Here's what I find kind of interesting, if I've got it right. When a person returns to posting after being away for a while, you expect a fresh perspective, like we got from RD, with that beautiful poem, and also noticing that she refrains from participating in negativity. (okay, 2016 campaign hasn't started (-; But then Edg comes back, full of all that old anger towards Richard, as though the disagreements were yesterday. Like I say, I'm not sure if Richard said something that triggered Edg on this last round, but it seemed to come out of nowhere. And really, that's kind of scary to think that a person hasn't changed in so many months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote : A theory provides an explanatory framework for some observation, and from the assumptions of the explanation follows a number of possible hypotheses that can be tested in order to provide support for, or challenge, the theory. Wikipedia. Warning: Opinions, assumptions and theories offered on FFLife will be challenged if based on fantasy or lies.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
Hey Michael, how you doin'? Now, that is sort of funny. That wasn't the question I asked, but you have knack of tying anything to your usual theme. Yes, no doubt there was a lot of repetition in MMY's message. Yes, it could get rather dull. But for me, well, I found many gems. I gained insight into Vedic knowledge and Hindu scriptures. You hear the criticism that M was no student of Hinduism or the Vedas. And it seems that most of that criticism centers on the mantras, or whether he was qualified to have the role of a teacher, or one of so many other technical points. Like any of that mattered to me. Not! I found his knowledge of the Vedas to be profound. I think his commentary of the Gita was profound. Please, show me otherwise, other than some technical point that because he wasn't a Brahman, he wasn't authorized to have the role he assumed. I'm not saying that things didn't get a little topsy turvy in the last 15 years ago, because I think they did, but I'm still riding the wave of what I got. And yes, I got my money's worth. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : When did Marshy ever change? He told the same old story for decades and lied every time he told them. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 11:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann Here's what I find kind of interesting, if I've got it right. When a person returns to posting after being away for a while, you expect a fresh perspective, like we got from RD, with that beautiful poem, and also noticing that she refrains from participating in negativity. (okay, 2016 campaign hasn't started (-; But then Edg comes back, full of all that old anger towards Richard, as though the disagreements were yesterday. Like I say, I'm not sure if Richard said something that triggered Edg on this last round, but it seemed to come out of nowhere. And really, that's kind of scary to think that a person hasn't changed in so many months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote : A theory provides an explanatory framework for some observation, and from the assumptions of the explanation follows a number of possible hypotheses that can be tested in order to provide support for, or challenge, the theory. Wikipedia. Warning: Opinions, assumptions and theories offered on FFLife will be challenged if based on fantasy or lies.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann
And it's also kind of funny. One day you'll get a bunch of posts here about how he wasn't qualified to be a teacher of meditation because of this reason or that reason, or that he didn't follow the traditional Indian protocols, and then the next day you'll get an equal number of posts describing what a traditional Hindu he was, trying to foist that agenda on his organization. I will say that there was an emphasis put on the Hindu side of things. Hindu holy days etc. I never had a problem with it, but it isn't of much interest to me now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Hey Michael, how you doin'? Now, that is sort of funny. That wasn't the question I asked, but you have knack of tying anything to your usual theme. Yes, no doubt there was a lot of repetition in MMY's message. Yes, it could get rather dull. But for me, well, I found many gems. I gained insight into Vedic knowledge and Hindu scriptures. You hear the criticism that M was no student of Hinduism or the Vedas. And it seems that most of that criticism centers on the mantras, or whether he was qualified to have the role of a teacher, or one of so many other technical points. Like any of that mattered to me. Not! I found his knowledge of the Vedas to be profound. I think his commentary of the Gita was profound. Please, show me otherwise, other than some technical point that because he wasn't a Brahman, he wasn't authorized to have the role he assumed. I'm not saying that things didn't get a little topsy turvy in the last 15 years ago, because I think they did, but I'm still riding the wave of what I got. And yes, I got my money's worth. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : When did Marshy ever change? He told the same old story for decades and lied every time he told them. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 11:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Ann Here's what I find kind of interesting, if I've got it right. When a person returns to posting after being away for a while, you expect a fresh perspective, like we got from RD, with that beautiful poem, and also noticing that she refrains from participating in negativity. (okay, 2016 campaign hasn't started (-; But then Edg comes back, full of all that old anger towards Richard, as though the disagreements were yesterday. Like I say, I'm not sure if Richard said something that triggered Edg on this last round, but it seemed to come out of nowhere. And really, that's kind of scary to think that a person hasn't changed in so many months. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog@... wrote : A theory provides an explanatory framework for some observation, and from the assumptions of the explanation follows a number of possible hypotheses that can be tested in order to provide support for, or challenge, the theory. Wikipedia. Warning: Opinions, assumptions and theories offered on FFLife will be challenged if based on fantasy or lies.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra's Consciousness Challenge....
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Many of the popular physics writers, like Hawking and Krauss, don't believe in including consciousness in their cosmological theories. If they did, they'd realize that their assumptions about the beginning of the universe to be illogical and wrong. Um, why? Why would they include consciousness in cosmological theories and why would it be illogical? Or are you saying it's impossible for Deepak's money to be claimed for some spiritual reason? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Worth a read. Woomeister Chopra challenges science to explain consciousness with a Randi style prize. The money suggests he feels confident that there is no scientific solution to the hard problem of consciousness- in the same way that James Randi feels confident there is no paranormal. The trouble for Chopra is that, while no one has managed to demonstrate even a tiny morsel of magical powers, we know quite a lot about consciousness already. Here's hoping for a swift solution to the hard problem as he's one bullshit artist I'd like to see with some egg on his face. And a million bucks would be a lot of egg. Deepak Chopra embarrasses himself by offering a million-dollar prize http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ Deepak Chopra embarrasses himself by offering a million-... http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ I realize now that Chopra's affliction with Maru's Syndrome—the condition described by Dr. Maru as When I see a box, I cannot help but enter—is ... View on whyevolutionistrue.wor... http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/deepak-chopra-embarrasses-himself-by-offering-a-million-dollar-prize/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] How Iraq Can Win Against ISIS
Obama and his generals most likely have already thought of this strategy. If not, they should be fired. Here are the steps: 1. When ISIS start the attack of Baghdad, let the Kurds from the north take over the town of Mosul to cut-off the supply route of ISIS. Also, let the Kurds seal off the main border town next to Syria to prevent any reinforcements of ISIS. 2. Request Assad to attack the ISIS stronghold in Syria. 3. Request Iran to patrol its borders to ward-off any insurgents to infiltrate Iraq from the east. If need be, their troops can move in to towns east of Baghdad if ISIS attack from the east. 4. Have the American special forces monitor the Iraqi troops in Baghdad to make sure that they hold their positions and fight ISIS who should be attacking from the main route to Mosul. 5. Have American drones patrol the movements of the insurgents in the main highway from Mosul. 6. Have American warplanes attack the ISIS convoy during their siege of Baghdad. The main idea is to isolate the attacking forces of the insurgents and be pummeled by American aerial attacks and bombings. IMO, this would demoralize the insurgents and flee for cover. A victory against the insurgents will definitely boost the morale of the Iraqi people and its government.
