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[FairfieldLife] NEW BOOK: CLARITY BEYOND GENIUS: An Artistic Portrayal of Effortless Creativity and Insight employing Maharishi Mahesh Yogi [1 Attachment]
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member has proposal for Fairfield Group
I wouldn't call it a mistake so much as a situation, where time has evolved to: readdress the issue on a major level. The issue is this: for 50 plus years TM has been associated with a meditation created from India. Most all people in the western world perceives this knowledge as outside their world. Subsciously, most westerners see TM and all that it is: an unnecessary component of living, a foreign design. After SRM days, Maharishi's wish was... that western science incorporate the science of creative intelligence into western thinking. The great minds of western science, art,... all western discipline may incorporate this knowledge of life, (conceived in India) into a construct of western thought. TM today, by most people outside of progressive thinking, is still thought to be an Eastern construct with some, scientific validation. And because of this perception, millions of people will still resist this meditation because of its association to Eastern thought. When corporations create product, they advertise it's value as something one needs for betterment of self. People buy this product because of its projective value. Everybody wants it, subconsciously. Subsciously, most everybody, views TM outside their comfort circle.There is a major shift, again with TM under the watch of David Lynch Foundation...a needed boost of attention. This too will subside or flatten to a degree over time. Hopefully it will continue growing... These are the steps of progress, the way knowledge unfolds over generations. The 1% rule is limiting our reach, we want to reach beyond our expectations. Why not? Corporations rely on impacting larger percentages for survival.If TM were a nike shoe, the world would be enlightened.$250 dollars for a nike shoe...are u kidding. Learn from the big boys. MY BOOK: A PIRATE'S CALL TO MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI... IS A CALL TO ALL LONG TERM TM'ERS ...STEP UP TO THE PLATE, START WRITING YOUR BOOKS, BEGIN TO START TELLING THE WORLD, OVER AND OVER: THIS TECHNIQUE IS ABOUT MORE THAN JUST STRESS REDUCTION. Yes the world is a pile of stress, out of control and at the same time we may now begin speaking about greater genius, greater creativity, and greater goodness in the light of science. Envy or jealously may be the catalyst, which pushes the masses over the edge, into desiring more than what they have. When the masses begin to see results manifest in other people who do TM, they will wake to the realization; this is my knowledge, not India's.It's not an easy task to explain greater genius, resulting from TM. Start the process, it will unfold over time. Certaintly, all will give thanks to the tradition of masters which protected and passed on, this knowledge of life. The tradition's of this teaching should be protected and maintained behind closed doors. Emphasis should be placed upon western thought. As this knowledge spreads over time, if it is successful, than Western man will re package this technique in the light of their language. Only then will the masses take hold to the degree, it should. I understand people on blogs love to pick apart, said logic. I am not attached to these thoughts. I am just putting them out there for contemplation. Focus on the reach, not the weakness of each word or phrase. What I write is not truth, but relative impressions of the moment. Calling me an idiot, accomplishes nothing. Do better than I; I am at the bottom of such a measure, called genius. Even I, as dull as I am, can see imperfection.Dave Ryan On Friday, September 25, 2015 9:52 PM, "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Why do you think it is a mistake in the TM message? Some people aren't going to meditate, period, whether they understand its intent, or not. Even Maharishi focused on very small groups to continue the world's evolution. There is no need for 99% or more of the population to meditate. It is all about creating a catalyst. "do less and accomplish more". ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <ryandave177@...> wrote : "The fellow who wrote it mentioned that if everyone knew TM was a gateway to God, they would stand in line to learn it." This is Dave Ryan, I started this thread...Allow me to clarify my point made in reference to the statement of my earlier post.What I said was...People would line up at age 10to receivetheir key to unlock their God givenpotential as humanbeings.You may suggest TM is a gateway to God but doing so would require work, as you suggested, I agree with your theory. You said: "I think a lot of the resistance to it comes from this requirement for mechanical and regular transcending"There in lies the problem... people outside of the TM movement, view us as part of a group who think a certain way. This is normal thinking, groups think as groups do. In a sense, a group, by it's nature remov
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member has proposal for Fairfield Group
Thanks for your replys, apparantely it's just between you and I. Yes I am just throwing it out for people to chew on; I see more people are referring toTM as a step to enlightenment. It takes time; generations, I believe, for a concept to take hold. Maybe quicker with TM. I do appreciate your allowing me to chat a bit on the blog. I was hopeful other people would read the book and comment a bit, but thats not hapenning. I have another proposal for you ...I was planning to go with some advertising campaign on some of the social platforms. Spend a couple hundred dollars on advertising. I had the idea, why not spend the money on gifting to People that can relate to the experience of transcending. This book writing was a project, I had wished would provide me with some comment and feedback... to fill my days with a bit of passion in writing. There is an option on amazon to gift books to others on line. I haven't checked out the details of how to do so, but I am sure there is a way I could send the book for free to others who view this option on your blog.That may get you into trouble, with the guidelines, not filtering all work through the leaders of the TM org.That would be your call, you could read it and then decide if it would pass judgement. It makes no sence for me to continue on this site, since I am not a participant of the community. My interest: feedback on the book. There are a few serious negative blog sites out there bashing the TM movement. I am an expression of what Maharishi wished for...an individual, regularily practicing TM, in the light of one's discipline. This is an art book, poetic, visually stimulating transcendental art; a subjective experience of meditating artist in activity: a positive fresh approach to understanding the one's value, and benefit of this meditation. Unless u have another suggestion, I will move on, but I do appreciate the effortthanks...let me know what you decide Dave Ryan On Saturday, September 26, 2015 7:23 AM, "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I appreciate your concern, though I do not see it as a problem. People come to TM or not, according to their awareness and need. It could be called 'green cheese' for some and they would still start the practice. Sure the world has some stress, though I for one feel that things are headed in the right direction. TM will always be around.Yes, the David Lynch Foundation is further integrating TM with Western thought. Thanks for sharing more about this book, and your thinking. I have no need to pick apart what you are saying, or belittle you, though I see what you are proposing as a natural process that we can engage with or not, according to our personal desires. The "world" will be fine, either way.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <ryandave177@...> wrote : I wouldn't call it a mistake so much as a situation, where time has evolved to: readdress the issue on a major level. The issue is this: for 50 plus years TM has been associated with a meditation created from India. Most all people in the western world perceives this knowledge as outside their world. Subsciously, most westerners see TM and all that it is: an unnecessary component of living, a foreign design. After SRM days, Maharishi's wish was... that western science incorporate the science of creative intelligence into western thinking. The great minds of western science, art,... all western discipline may incorporate this knowledge of life, (conceived in India) into a construct of western thought. TM today, by most people outside of progressive thinking, is still thought to be an Eastern construct with some, scientific validation. And because of this perception, millions of people will still resist this meditation because of its association to Eastern thought. When corporations create product, they advertise it's value as something one needs for betterment of self. People buy this product because of its projective value. Everybody wants it, subconsciously. Subsciously, most everybody, views TM outside their comfort circle.There is a major shift, again with TM under the watch of David Lynch Foundation...a needed boost of attention. This too will subside or flatten to a degree over time. Hopefully it will continue growing... These are the steps of progress, the way knowledge unfolds over generations. The 1% rule is limiting our reach, we want to reach beyond our expectations. Why not? Corporations rely on impacting larger percentages for survival.If TM were a nike shoe, the world would be enlightened.$250 dollars for a nike shoe...are u kidding. Learn from the big boys. MY BOOK: A PIRATE'S CALL TO MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI... IS A CALL TO ALL LONG TERM TM'ERS ...STEP UP TO THE PLATE, START WRITING YOUR BOOKS, BEGIN TO START TELLING THE WORLD, OVER AND OVER: THIS TECHNIQUE IS ABOUT MORE THAN JUST STRESS RE
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member has proposal for Fairfield Group
thanks for your reply,my comment on one pointedness... I have noticed many people around the world who teach and recommend disciplines of health, including meditation practice: don't actually regularily practice their recommended disciplines in daily living.Many play the part (seminaring themselves to death, thinking ...they are growing); wearing the cloth of perceived value. When I was 19 years of age, before even starting TM or any kind of healthy thinking beyond high school, I made a personal decision: challenged myself to live a righteous lifestyle. To me that meant, being a good person in living, no matter what I become in life. Even the best people on the planet , are f... ups: I thought, now that's a tough goal. My mind was set, in that personal moment, one afternoon. To this day, I have followed that "good person" principle in all relationships. I've screwed up and made mistakes, but never have I faultered from the intention of good behavior. At work, in marriage, with strangers..the principle stands, unshakeable in all situations. Simply put...that is my one pointed-ness in living. It requires integrity, honestly, and acceptance of others as is. People talk a good game of living: few practice it on a daily basis. What's it done for me? Nothing more than, I am proud of my choices and who I've become. Far from perfect: my intention is great. I enjoy this kind of back and forth, it fills a passion and keeps my mind thinking...thanks for that... Not sure what goes from here? I was hopeful some would read my book and I could have that give and take. I could care less about selling the book for profit, but I have to charge enough to break even. If no one wants to buy it, I will eventually put it out for free on free book sites, I guess. You are in the middle of TM land...my book fits, a gift of sort for those who transcend. If I wanted money I would have wrote about sex, romance and violence. I'm an expat, near the jungle on the border of Thailand and Mirimar, a bit crazy to do so, but not as crazy as living in Fairfield...no? Dave Ryan On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 6:00 AM, "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi, and Welcome - I read the available excerpts of your book - I am curious about your statement below that you are more one pointed and disciplined than most. In what domain, and what has that done for you lately? :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <ryandave177@...> wrote : Thank you for invitation to FAIRFIELD GROUPMy name is Dave Ryan, I have been practicing TM since 1972; Sidhi program: (govenor on 1976 flying course).Graduate of MIU: Santa Barbara, Calif...73-77...Fairfield to flying course; finished with a BIDS degree at MIU. MS:Health Education, Univ of Colorado/UCLA, post graduate work, 78, 79.Created: Ryan's Brush Inc. 1984...Art creation in commercial and private settings. Retired from working America, 2009, at age 57.I currently live, travel and volunteer my services in South East Asia. Living a simple life. My reason for joining your group is simple: A book came through me: in a sense, without permission of self. Meaning it flowed from within (not unusual). The audience it was meant for: myself and people who are familiar with and experience finer levels of thought during Transcendental Meditation. I live, off the beaten path, in simple settings, by choice. I am not really connected to western civilization, except for this sharing: a bit of connection and feedback. I am more one pointed and disciplined, than most. I wrote this book, plopped it on amazon KDP select program and as expected it sits with few takers. Out of respect, I am not using trademarked words of TM movement, thus my generic keywords are not tapping into people who transcend on a regular basis as I. I priced the book so most can afford and gave it away for free under KDP Select 5 day promotion. I had hope a TM'er would pick it up and they may connect to my blog for back and forth comment. The more negative the comment, the better as it shapes or challenges more projection of love, on my end...if that makes sense to you. It would certaintly enrich my life to share and challenge thought with those who experience greater awareness in thought. I am outside the box, a rebel of sort, and I am most certaintly respectful of Maharishi's wishes and expectations of us all. I did not ask permission or grace from within the TM org. to write or publish this book. Reason being, the book is not about TM, it is a subjective experience, a work of effortless discovery of clarity in thinking. Book addresses my subjective experience of connection to cosmos; man, woman and nature. Subjective experience comes as word. The book addresses politics, capitalism, human behavior and perception. 75 % of book is prose and verse leading, logic of mind. Over 150 images
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member has proposal for Fairfield Group
"The fellow who wrote it mentioned that if everyone knew TM was a gateway to God, they would stand in line to learn it." This is Dave Ryan, I started this thread...Allow me to clarify my point made in reference to the statement of my earlier post.What I said was...People would line up at age 10to receivetheir key to unlock their God givenpotential as humanbeings.You may suggest TM is a gateway to God but doing so would require work, as you suggested, I agree with your theory. You said: "I think a lot of the resistance to it comes from this requirement for mechanical and regular transcending"There in lies the problem... people outside of the TM movement, view us as part of a group who think a certain way. This is normal thinking, groups think as groups do. In a sense, a group, by it's nature removes it's thinking away from the whole. Others outside of the group are not included. We all unconsciously isolate each other's position by definition of who or what we claim to be. Belief or identification of self, sets us apart from each other. Groups draw and groups alienate, by their nature. So... people view TM as something outside of their own world, thats how they think, TM people think a certain way and thats ok for them. What the TM movement has failed to do: is communicate to the world what TM really is. The TM group should have said, I'm sorry, I'm your new neighbor, I found this key on the street next to your driveway, is this your key? Of course they would be delighted and excited to get their key back, they didn't have a spare key to drive their vehicle, now locked in garage. I am glad you have your key back and I am happy to have found it for you. You must be excited, oh yes, that key opens my world to all that I am. enjoy...doneWhen the movement speaks of TM, there is a personna of ownership...we're giving u this technique and these are the conditions. twice a day, only from us. Once a person begins TM, then they know this knowledge is their's...it's what they have always wanted. A key to fulfillment. Prior to that, people think this knowledge of TM is outside of themselves...which it's not!!! TM and all that it represents, is the people's knowledge, it's not owned by the TM org. The TM people just found the owner's key, next to their driveway. This awareness of ownership, is not known by the masses. If they knew what TM was, they would tear down the doors to get back their possessions. On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 6:46 PM, "olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Oh yeah, there are lots of meditations - I used TM as an example because it is mentioned in the book that began this discussion. The fellow who wrote it mentioned that if everyone knew TM was a gateway to God, they would stand in line to learn it. I am interested in exploring the reasons that may not happen. I think a lot of the resistance to it comes from this requirement for mechanical and regular transcending, and subsequent integration - It can make life uncomfortable for awhile, dealing with whatever it uncovers. That's my theory, so far. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote : Not all disciplines emphasizepracticing meditation twice a day. Some just emphasize using itas needed. It's good to step out of the shadow of TM and it'snarrow definitions and find out what other paths do. I know, theymay want to throw you out of the dome for that but other guruswill actually have you visit saints, temples, gurus and ashrams. I think the restrictions were to keep the money flow tight. Andof course the guilt aspect of you won't be supporting world peaceif you don't at least meditate or fly twice a day. That's avariation on the old "Master Game" called "sin." On 09/23/2015 04:21 PM, olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]wrote: Those could be useful adjustments, though you still havethe basic "problem" with TM, of transcending twice a day-- If TM can be considered a technology, we are used tohaving our tech delivered with no downside, except cost.TM represents the benefits of tech; acceleration,expansion, ease, etc., but the integration of it all, thework, must still get done, to ensure continued benefits -like building our own TV, instead of buying one. Somepeople don't want to do all the work. Also, because it isan intra-personal technology, demonstrating the benefitscan be tricky, at best. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...>wrote : Therewas a report on FFL about anIndian ayurvedic doctor who visited and offered toteach correctmeditation. He maintained that TM was too "shotgun"and therewere better ways using ayurveda to teach meditation. I've beensaying this for years as the TM technique is prettymuch for pittaor rajasic types. That might mean if you're a bitkapha TM mightbe fattening. Some
[FairfieldLife] New member has proposal for Fairfield Group
Thank you for invitation to FAIRFIELD GROUPMy name is Dave Ryan, I have been practicing TM since 1972; Sidhi program: (govenor on 1976 flying course).Graduate of MIU: Santa Barbara, Calif...73-77...Fairfield to flying course; finished with a BIDS degree at MIU. MS:Health Education, Univ of Colorado/UCLA, post graduate work, 78, 79.Created: Ryan's Brush Inc. 1984...Art creation in commercial and private settings. Retired from working America, 2009, at age 57.I currently live, travel and volunteer my services in South East Asia. Living a simple life. My reason for joining your group is simple: A book came through me: in a sense, without permission of self. Meaning it flowed from within (not unusual). The audience it was meant for: myself and people who are familiar with and experience finer levels of thought during Transcendental Meditation. I live, off the beaten path, in simple settings, by choice. I am not really connected to western civilization, except for this sharing: a bit of connection and feedback. I am more one pointed and disciplined, than most. I wrote this book, plopped it on amazon KDP select program and as expected it sits with few takers. Out of respect, I am not using trademarked words of TM movement, thus my generic keywords are not tapping into people who transcend on a regular basis as I. I priced the book so most can afford and gave it away for free under KDP Select 5 day promotion. I had hope a TM'er would pick it up and they may connect to my blog for back and forth comment. The more negative the comment, the better as it shapes or challenges more projection of love, on my end...if that makes sense to you. It would certaintly enrich my life to share and challenge thought with those who experience greater awareness in thought. I am outside the box, a rebel of sort, and I am most certaintly respectful of Maharishi's wishes and expectations of us all. I did not ask permission or grace from within the TM org. to write or publish this book. Reason being, the book is not about TM, it is a subjective experience, a work of effortless discovery of clarity in thinking. Book addresses my subjective experience of connection to cosmos; man, woman and nature. Subjective experience comes as word. The book addresses politics, capitalism, human behavior and perception. 75 % of book is prose and verse leading, logic of mind. Over 150 images of my art, reflecting the themes of each verse. So here is a link to my book if u are curious..look inside the book of 463 pages..u can pull up 10% for free to read.If u like the book's potential for discussion and enjoyment, I'll gift u a copy if you'll read it. You can tear it apart or not, just let me know if this book would be a benefit to this site. If not please let me know as well...book link below with reviews thanks Dave Ryan http://www.amazon.com/PIRATES-CALL-MAHARISHI-MAHESH-YOGI-ebook/dp/B0140UAU1O/ref=sr_1_1?s=books=UTF8=1442278180=1-1=a+pirates+call
[FairfieldLife] Cosmic Awareness Reveals Details of 2012
Over the last year or so, Cosmic Awareness channelings have revealed the details of exactly what will happen December 21, 2012. I have gathered most of the question and answer sessions about this astounding Ascension event into a single 100-page free downloadable PDF file. I think you will find it as profound and amazing as I have. You can download it here (and feel free to pass it on): http://www.transactual.com/cac/cachome.html -- Dave
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'
But, hey, we're not a religion! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi praises the Vedic Pandits of India for their profound awakening of Total Natural Law by Global Good News staff writer Global Good News 7 February 2007 In a recent global celebration, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi praised the Vedic Pandits in India who had performed a Vedic Yagya as part of the awakening of all the impulses of silence and dynamism present throughout creation. Maharishi explained that these two enormous fields of intelligence the field of silence pertaining to knowledge, and the field of dynamism pertaining to actionhad been awakened by the Vedic Pandits, and that they had done a marvelous job in arousing of the power of the unmanifest field of eternal silence, Total Natural Lawor in the English language, Maharishi said, 'the Will of God'. 'It's the Will of God that is the Administrator of the universe,' Maharishi said. 'The whole galactic universe is very well known to be an ever-expanding universe. From where does this ever-expanding energy and intelligence come?' Maharishi asked. 'It is expanding everything in all directions, in such variety of expansion, of infinityunboundednessfrom where does this come?' 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality,' Maharishi said, 'the unmanifest, the nature of the transcendental fieldCosmic Intelligence, which administers the universe most silently and most naturally with perfect order' 'It is the nature of Natural Law, the nature of life, the nature of Self, the nature of the cosmic Selfand individual nature has as its potential this cosmic nature.' For more information about Maharishi's Vedic Science and Technology, visit: www.vedicknowledge.com/ and maharishi- programmes.globalgoodnews.com. For more information about Maharishi Yagyas, visit: www.maharishitm.org/jyotish/yagya. Copyright © 2007 Global Good News(sm) Service
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'
But, hey, we're not a religion! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi praises the Vedic Pandits of India for their profound awakening of Total Natural Law by Global Good News staff writer Global Good News 7 February 2007 In a recent global celebration, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi praised the Vedic Pandits in India who had performed a Vedic Yagya as part of the awakening of all the impulses of silence and dynamism present throughout creation. Maharishi explained that these two enormous fields of intelligence the field of silence pertaining to knowledge, and the field of dynamism pertaining to actionhad been awakened by the Vedic Pandits, and that they had done a marvelous job in arousing of the power of the unmanifest field of eternal silence, Total Natural Lawor in the English language, Maharishi said, 'the Will of God'. 'It's the Will of God that is the Administrator of the universe,' Maharishi said. 'The whole galactic universe is very well known to be an ever-expanding universe. From where does this ever-expanding energy and intelligence come?' Maharishi asked. 'It is expanding everything in all directions, in such variety of expansion, of infinityunboundednessfrom where does this come?' 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality,' Maharishi said, 'the unmanifest, the nature of the transcendental fieldCosmic Intelligence, which administers the universe most silently and most naturally with perfect order' 'It is the nature of Natural Law, the nature of life, the nature of Self, the nature of the cosmic Selfand individual nature has as its potential this cosmic nature.' For more information about Maharishi's Vedic Science and Technology, visit: www.vedicknowledge.com/ and maharishi- programmes.globalgoodnews.com. For more information about Maharishi Yagyas, visit: www.maharishitm.org/jyotish/yagya. Copyright © 2007 Global Good News(sm) Service
[FairfieldLife] Flying vs. Hopping
So, let me get this straight: The TMO continues to liberally use terms like yogic flying, group flying, flying together, etc. MMY, Bevan, Hagelin, and the rich guys in the funny gold crowns utter those terms all the time. But what they really mean is hopping. Obviously, they don't use the term, yogic hopping. They should. To be clear, I use the term flying to mean hovering in the air. No one that we know of has achieved that. Were it to happen, I'm sure the TMO would trot out the videotape. So that means that terms including the word flying are merely spin. After nearly thirty years, no one has flown. And a reasonable person could conclude that it's probable that no one is going to fly. Claims need to be tested. Outrageous claims need to be tested even more rigoously. Yogic flying has failed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping
It's a deceptive marketing term as no one has flown or is flying. Your personal experience is valid for you, but I, for one, am not buying it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: So, let me get this straight: The TMO continues to liberally use terms like yogic flying, group flying, flying together, etc. MMY, Bevan, Hagelin, and the rich guys in the funny gold crowns utter those terms all the time. But what they really mean is hopping. Obviously, they don't use the term, yogic hopping. They should. To be clear, I use the term flying to mean hovering in the air. No one that we know of has achieved that. Were it to happen, I'm sure the TMO would trot out the videotape. So that means that terms including the word flying are merely spin. After nearly thirty years, no one has flown. And a reasonable person could conclude that it's probable that no one is going to fly. Claims need to be tested. Outrageous claims need to be tested even more rigoously. Yogic flying has failed. It is a marketing term based on the name of the sutra. In any case, its a good thing not to get too hung up on the common physical manifestation of the sutra. The end goal is spiritual freedom, Self- realization, and the 'flying' technique definitely hastens the development of that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping
Yet, no one has flown. No one is flying. This problem could have been avoided by simply not calling it flying or making the claims for flying. I have the original print ads used by the TMO when they rolled this program out. They were fraught with untruth, as the succeeding decades have born out. And yet, the TMO continues to talk about yogic flying. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: So, let me get this straight: The TMO continues to liberally use terms like yogic flying, group flying, flying together, etc. MMY, Bevan, Hagelin, and the rich guys in the funny gold crowns utter those terms all the time. But what they really mean is hopping. Obviously, they don't use the term, yogic hopping. They should. To be clear, I use the term flying to mean hovering in the air. No one that we know of has achieved that. Were it to happen, I'm sure the TMO would trot out the videotape. So that means that terms including the word flying are merely spin. After nearly thirty years, no one has flown. And a reasonable person could conclude that it's probable that no one is going to fly. Claims need to be tested. Outrageous claims need to be tested even more rigoously. Yogic flying has failed. It is a marketing term based on the name of the sutra. In any case, its a good thing not to get too hung up on the common physical manifestation of the sutra. The end goal is spiritual freedom, Self- realization, and the 'flying' technique definitely hastens the development of that. Next to TM, my experience is that the flying technique was the best thing since apple pie. Having said that, I wonder what they trade off has been? I am convinced that, more than the 3 or 4 other major errors of MMY's reign over the TMO, the way he came out with the flying technique is what is responsible for the almost total demise of the TMO and the popularity of TM. So: on the one hand, he came out with this wonderful flying program; yet, on the other, the way he came out with it destroyed the Movement. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping
I kinda don't think Patanjali used the term flying. But the TMO minions use it all the time. Just dial up the Maharishi Channel listen to Bevan and The Boys talk about yogic flying. I know, I know, to the TB's, flying means hopping or bouncing or whatever goes on, but to the rest of us, flying means flying, and that's just not happening. If it walks like a duck The original print ads used in rolling out the program in the 70s promise the ability to levitate, invisibility, etc. It was flim-flam then, and it's flim-flam now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: It is a marketing term based on the name of the sutra. Do the Yoga Sutras actually call it flying? Because if that's the case, Dave should complain about Patanjali, not the TMO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping
Not my last name. It all comes down to honesty. They promised: - Levitation - Flying - Invisibility - Strength of an Elephant - Master of Nature ... among other things. I'm quoting from the advertising purchased by the movement. None of it was true, then or now. Yet thousands of dollars in course fees were collected from people who believed these things would come to pass, mostly because MMY says. I believe people and organizations that engage in deceptive or dishonest behavior should be held accountable. The TMO lied in its marketing of the TM-Sidhi program and continues to perpetuate a myth by its use of the term yogic flying. I do not doubt that others have found value in the program and I'm not disputing those claims. But concrete claims were made about powers that would derive from the practice, money changed hands, and people were mislead, all at the hands of MMY's TMO. He's accountable, just like the rest of us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: So, let me get this straight: The TMO continues to liberally use terms like yogic flying, group flying, flying together, etc. MMY, Bevan, Hagelin, and the rich guys in the funny gold crowns utter those terms all the time. But what they really mean is hopping. Obviously, they don't use the term, yogic hopping. They should. To be clear, I use the term flying to mean hovering in the air. No one that we know of has achieved that. Were it to happen, I'm sure the TMO would trot out the videotape. So that means that terms including the word flying are merely spin. After nearly thirty years, no one has flown. And a reasonable person could conclude that it's probable that no one is going to fly. Claims need to be tested. Outrageous claims need to be tested even more rigoously. Yogic flying has failed. Works as they said it would, for me. Of course, it sounds like you never actually paid attention to what was said, but only looked at the purty pictures. Your last name isn't Specter, is it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping
Whether or not Patanjali used the term flying is not the point. The TMO did and does. Nobody's flying. My complaint is not with Patanjail's writings. It's with the TMO's claims. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: I kinda don't think Patanjali used the term flying. You 'kinda' would be wrong. Start your complaint with Patanjali. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping
As I said in another post, my complaint is not with Patanjali or his writings. My complaint is with the TMO. They used, and continue to use, the term flying. Nobody's flying. They made a claim, continue to make it, took people's money, continue to take it, on deception. That's my only point. No more; no less. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: It is a marketing term based on the name of the sutra. Do the Yoga Sutras actually call it flying? Because if that's the case, Dave should complain about Patanjali, not the TMO. Passage through the sky seems to be the most likely title for the sutra. BTW, David, if you were to use one word to describe passage through the sky, what would it be? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping
Everybody doesn't know that. Yogic Flying That's the term the TMO uses. Sounds like flying to me. Sounds like a claim of flying as well. What difference does it make? The truth. That's the difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: Whether or not Patanjali used the term flying is not the point. The TMO did and does. Nobody's flying. My complaint is not with Patanjail's writings. It's with the TMO's claims. The TMO doesn't claim anybody's flying. If everybody knows nobody's flying, what the hell difference does it make what it's called? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping
Yogic Flying, used everyday by the TMO. Could that mean, oh, I don't know flying? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: As I said in another post, my complaint is not with Patanjali or his writings. My complaint is with the TMO. They used, and continue to use, the term flying. Nobody's flying. They made a claim, continue to make it, No, they don't continue to make the claim that anybody's flying. They say explicitly that no flying is taking place. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping
You're almost right. I'm not, as you point out, complaining about people who characterize their activities as flying, even if they're not. I'm merely attempting to hold the TMO accountable for their dubious claims about their ability to teach people to fly. We hold companies accountable in this country for making false claims about products they offer for sale. Flying is a product; it's for sale. It's bogus. The TMO knows it. But they continue to make the offer. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason reveals in your words here that what you are ACTUALLY saying here is that you are not complaining about people who use the term flying in regard to the sutra (eg. Patanjali), but you are telling us that you want to complain about the TMO.any excuse will do eh? OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: Whether or not Patanjali used the term flying is not the point. The TMO did and does. Nobody's flying. My complaint is not with Patanjail's writings. It's with the TMO's claims. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: I kinda don't think Patanjali used the term flying. You 'kinda' would be wrong. Start your complaint with Patanjali. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Flying vs. Hopping
Want to see the ads they used? http://www.lwmgserver.com/tm-ads/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: As I said in another post, my complaint is not with Patanjali or his writings. My complaint is with the TMO. They used, and continue to use, the term flying. Nobody's flying. They made a claim, continue to make it, No, they don't continue to make the claim that anybody's flying. They say explicitly that no flying is taking place. It's been 22 years since I took the Sidhis course, but I have zero recollection of being promised that I'd fly. It was thoroughly explained that we were being taught a technique for spiritual development, and I think we even had to sign a document stating that we understood that the Sidhis program is about growth of consciousness and not about acquiring superhuman powers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
Here's the point: Photographs aside, a critical thinker will ask if there is any evidence that anyone has ever levitated. There is not. No one is going to levitate either, I'm asserting. It's all more BS from the TMO. Those who believe that levitation is happening or will happen are probably those who accept everything that MMY says, without any critical examination. I, for one, think it's all crap ... VooDoo TM, was was referenced earlier. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Just for the record, since about 1984, the TMO has been quite clear that actual flying has not yet been achieved, and that all practitioners are doing is hopping. Yes, but 1977-1983 were some crazy, mixed-up, wild- ass years. :) ...add dishonesty to the mix. Publishing photos of flyers in the uppermost apex of the hopping parabola is, intentially, deceitful and that's exactly what the TMO did. There's 100+ possible points in the hopping parabola...gee, why pick the one at the apex to publicize? Uh, Shemp, you need to give this one just a *teensy* bit more thought. Enlighten me, Judy, why it was NOT dishonest publicizing photographs of flyers in the apex of the hopping parabola... Think it through, Shemp. Start by explaining the deception involved: 1. What would someone assume *incorrectly* if they saw a photo taken at the apex of the parabola rather than at a lower point? Gee, I dunno, Judy, that the person was LEVITATING and FLOATING in the air maybe? BT. Why would they NOT think that if the photo were taken at a lower point of the parabola? Try again, please. 2. What would their *correct* assumption be if the hop were shown at a lower point? Think it through, Judy, and ask yourself who should be doing the assuming: Non sequitur. those promoting and distributing photos of alleged levitationor...those reading their papers over their morning coffee. Do you think that the TMO acted morally and honestly back in the '70s when they released those photos? I'll address that once you've addressed the point on the parabola issue. Every time you can't answer a question or you are befuddled, you always do the same thing: you say I'll answer that once you've addressed my question. Translation: Shemp realizes his bit about the point on the parabola was REELY dumb. He can't admit that, of course, so he tries to change the subject. That doesn't work, so now he thinks he'll try projecting *his* befuddlement and inability to answer *my* questions onto *me*. I guess he thinks at least some folks here are dumb enough to fall for it. do me a favor: ignore my posts and don't comment on them anymore, please. Sorry, but I'll continue to comment exactly as I see fit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
Very well said. Have you read Sam Harris' book, End of Faith, or something like that? He says pretty much the same thing. And, normally, I don't care if people want to belief preposterous stuff, but lately with people strapping on bombs and blowing themselves up in coffee houses because they believe that 70 virgins will greet them in paradise, it hits a lot closer to home. And that's much worse than a bunch of lemmings who have the delusion that people can fly, but certainly cut from the same non-critical thinking cloth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that you are even discussing the impossibility of flying is the result of a very successful marketing campaign isn't it? Based on people hopping around, MMY asserted that people would soon fly. Now, so many years later, for a dwindling group, the hope remains. This is one of the most fascinating lenses to view people's beliefs. The question for me is how could otherwise bright people believe something so patently absurd? The answer to that question goes right to the heart of how humans develop beliefs. It goes to the heart of what makes us human, and may be the thing that ends up destroying us. Right now different groups in the Middle East believe that God gave them a piece of land. Based on that belief they are killing each other. How can people believe that hopping is the first stage of flying, or that God gave their group a piece of land? We all have to find our own answers don't we? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: Here's the point: Photographs aside, a critical thinker will ask if there is any evidence that anyone has ever levitated. There is not. No one is going to levitate either, I'm asserting. It's all more BS from the TMO. Those who believe that levitation is happening or will happen are probably those who accept everything that MMY says, without any critical examination. I, for one, think it's all crap ... VooDoo TM, was was referenced earlier. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Just for the record, since about 1984, the TMO has been quite clear that actual flying has not yet been achieved, and that all practitioners are doing is hopping. Yes, but 1977-1983 were some crazy, mixed-up, wild- ass years. :) ...add dishonesty to the mix. Publishing photos of flyers in the uppermost apex of the hopping parabola is, intentially, deceitful and that's exactly what the TMO did. There's 100+ possible points in the hopping parabola...gee, why pick the one at the apex to publicize? Uh, Shemp, you need to give this one just a *teensy* bit more thought. Enlighten me, Judy, why it was NOT dishonest publicizing photographs of flyers in the apex of the hopping parabola... Think it through, Shemp. Start by explaining the deception involved: 1. What would someone assume *incorrectly* if they saw a photo taken at the apex of the parabola rather than at a lower point? Gee, I dunno, Judy, that the person was LEVITATING and FLOATING in the air maybe? BT. Why would they NOT think that if the photo were taken at a lower point of the parabola? Try again, please. 2. What would their *correct* assumption be if the hop were shown at a lower point? Think it through, Judy, and ask yourself who should be doing the assuming: Non sequitur. those promoting and distributing photos of alleged levitationor...those reading their papers over their morning coffee. Do you think that the TMO acted morally and honestly back in the '70s when they released those photos
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
I apologize for not reading the earlier posts where you quoted extensively from Harris. You're right about him. He reflects my thinking as well. Esentially, it comes down to this. Claims made require testing. MMY's claims with regard to yogic flying have been found seriously wanting and those desiring to believe those claims in the face of no supporting evidence are deluding themselves. The TMO is real good about advancing delusion. Jyotish falls into that area as well. And while we're at it, let's test yagyas too! I think I know what the results will show. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes that was right out of Sam Harris' perspective! He is one of my favorite thinkers. I must add that I was a full believer in all things TM at one time so my critique of this kind of belief is also a critique of my own former beliefs. Taking on and then shedding the beliefs of TM was an important experience for me. I am fascinated by people with more spiritual beliefs than I myself hold. This Yahoo group seems especially tolerant of different views and the rights of people expressing them. I agree with your point that blending crazy beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the theoretical and into the world of holy shit! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: Very well said. Have you read Sam Harris' book, End of Faith, or something like that? He says pretty much the same thing. And, normally, I don't care if people want to belief preposterous stuff, but lately with people strapping on bombs and blowing themselves up in coffee houses because they believe that 70 virgins will greet them in paradise, it hits a lot closer to home. And that's much worse than a bunch of lemmings who have the delusion that people can fly, but certainly cut from the same non- critical thinking cloth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The fact that you are even discussing the impossibility of flying is the result of a very successful marketing campaign isn't it? Based on people hopping around, MMY asserted that people would soon fly. Now, so many years later, for a dwindling group, the hope remains. This is one of the most fascinating lenses to view people's beliefs. The question for me is how could otherwise bright people believe something so patently absurd? The answer to that question goes right to the heart of how humans develop beliefs. It goes to the heart of what makes us human, and may be the thing that ends up destroying us. Right now different groups in the Middle East believe that God gave them a piece of land. Based on that belief they are killing each other. How can people believe that hopping is the first stage of flying, or that God gave their group a piece of land? We all have to find our own answers don't we? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: Here's the point: Photographs aside, a critical thinker will ask if there is any evidence that anyone has ever levitated. There is not. No one is going to levitate either, I'm asserting. It's all more BS from the TMO. Those who believe that levitation is happening or will happen are probably those who accept everything that MMY says, without any critical examination. I, for one, think it's all crap ... VooDoo TM, was was referenced earlier. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Just for the record, since about 1984, the TMO has been quite clear that actual flying has not yet been achieved, and that all practitioners are doing is hopping. Yes, but 1977-1983 were some crazy, mixed- up, wild- ass
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
I once practiced the original, non-VooDoo TM, that is, until the movement started to make claims of levitation, invisibility, etc. At that moment, I began to question what I was involved with, and for the first time, think critically about it. I retreated as hastily as I could. In the decades since then, the TMO has paraded out wealthy rajas in gold crowns, advanced astrology as legitimate science, charged huge bucks for pandits to chant yagyas to avert the danger that has not come, dictated that home and office must have east or north entrances, claims of lowering crime rates,and much more hoo-hah, while all the time claiming that practioners are flying. Where are the critical thinkers? Certainly not in the TM movement. The meditation was nice, but we were sold a bill of goods, and I'm so glad that I did not buy into the program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I practise the TM Program. That is the practise of the TM Technique as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for 15-20 minutes twice a day balanced by activity during the rest of the waking state. And the instructions for this activity is very specific: action according to the TM Program is acting according to your own tradition, your own culture, your own way of life, with everything that you want to do, using your own common sense. Voodoo TM is something else entirely. It is what I suspect over 90% of those involved fulltime with the TMO practise. Voodoo TM is the practise of the TM Technique as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for 15-20 minutes twice a day balanced by a very separate and distinctive activity during the rest of the waking state from the activity performed by those who practise the TM Program. And the daily activity of those who practise Voodoo TM is, specifically, a Guru-dictated, Bhakti-based blind belief system performed within the orbit of a cult. What to eat, how to dress, what kind of home to live in, what kind of candy bars and honey to eat, what political views to hold. This is a cult-based activity. It is in direct opposition to and completely different from the instructions for the TM Program. Which path are YOU on? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
I once practiced the original, non-VooDoo TM, that is, until the movement started to make claims of levitation, invisibility, etc. At that moment, I began to question what I was involved with, and for the first time, think critically about it. I retreated as hastily as I could. In the decades since then, the TMO has paraded out wealthy rajas in gold crowns, advanced astrology as legitimate science, charged huge bucks for pandits to chant yagyas to avert the danger that has not come, dictated that home and office must have east or north entrances, claims of lowering crime rates,and much more hoo-hah, while all the time claiming that practioners are flying. Where are the critical thinkers? Certainly not in the TM movement. The meditation was nice, but we were sold a bill of goods, and I'm so glad that I did not buy into the program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I practise the TM Program. That is the practise of the TM Technique as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for 15-20 minutes twice a day balanced by activity during the rest of the waking state. And the instructions for this activity is very specific: action according to the TM Program is acting according to your own tradition, your own culture, your own way of life, with everything that you want to do, using your own common sense. Voodoo TM is something else entirely. It is what I suspect over 90% of those involved fulltime with the TMO practise. Voodoo TM is the practise of the TM Technique as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for 15-20 minutes twice a day balanced by a very separate and distinctive activity during the rest of the waking state from the activity performed by those who practise the TM Program. And the daily activity of those who practise Voodoo TM is, specifically, a Guru-dictated, Bhakti-based blind belief system performed within the orbit of a cult. What to eat, how to dress, what kind of home to live in, what kind of candy bars and honey to eat, what political views to hold. This is a cult-based activity. It is in direct opposition to and completely different from the instructions for the TM Program. Which path are YOU on? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International
TM is not a religion? PUH-lease! TM claims it is not a religion, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. TM is nothing more then westernized, fundamentalist Hindusim. Nothing wrong with that, but TM's denials only go so far. How else does one explain Rajas, yagnas, God-consciousness, celebrations to saints, and all the other trappings that now typify the TMO. It's a religion and the TB's are part of the congregation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, InterFaith Charities Secretariat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Season's Greetings May the New Year brings you and your loved ones Health, Wealth Prosperity. Click here to view the full card on Net or paste the following link in your browser http://www.interfaithcharities.org/gc/200512.php From: Bir Grewall, family staff - Sponsored By : Financial Advisors of America Inc. www.faoai.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] please note: TM is not a religion and I personally am against religion. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International
TM is not a religion? PUH-lease! TM claims it is not a religion, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. TM is nothing more then westernized, fundamentalist Hindusim. Nothing wrong with that, but TM's denials only go so far. How else does one explain Rajas, yagnas, God-consciousness, celebrations to saints, and all the other trappings that now typify the TMO. It's a religion and the TB's are part of the congregation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, InterFaith Charities Secretariat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Season's Greetings May the New Year brings you and your loved ones Health, Wealth Prosperity. Click here to view the full card on Net or paste the following link in your browser http://www.interfaithcharities.org/gc/200512.php From: Bir Grewall, family staff - Sponsored By : Financial Advisors of America Inc. www.faoai.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] please note: TM is not a religion and I personally am against religion. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
