[FairfieldLife] Hilarious
http://www.worldunionoftheuniversitiesofacademicexcellence.com/ I like the one called FairyTale University. If I didn't know Peter Hübner's background I'd say he was being satirical. But PH doesn't do satire so he's probably deadly serious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientology Squirrel
...catalogue for a new-age bordello If only ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientology Squirrel
The explanatory model for TM and the TM-siddhis was an intellectual joke. replace was with is. It is of course one of the large number of reason why MUM is shunned by academics, especially those who actually know something about quantum mechanics. The notion that Hagelin is a renowned quantum field theorist is a bigger joke. notorious ex-quantum field theorist being more accurate.
[FairfieldLife] Absolute Silence
Has anyone noticed the strange silence emanating from the TMO in regards to the events in Egypt? Usually they wet themselves with excitement over signs of rising world consciousness. One would have thought that overthrowing a corrupt, authoritarian dictatorship where family and friends of the leader pocket the wealth of an economy would be a reason to rejoice. Insight isn't a quality one generally credits the leadership of the TMO with. So I can't think of any reason for them to be silent. Can anyone else?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_reply@ wrote: Has anyone noticed the strange silence emanating from the TMO in regards to the events in Egypt? Maybe they are afraid it will happen to themselves. Are you suggesting they might be developing insight? That really would be a sign of rising world consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Maharishi is gone. They are increasingly like a rudderless vessel. :-) Yes, I think that is more probable than that they might be developing insight into their real status. They don't have Maharishi to tell them how to handle new and surprising events so they don't know what to do. Is the situation a good thing, meaning relatively peaceful hand over of power. Or a bad thing because a de-facto king cannot pass the crown to his eldest son because the proles won't stand for it, which upsets the notion that hereditary monarchs will be the rulers in the coming Vedic civilization? It presents a real puzzle for them, peaceful removal of a king by disenchanted lower classes, that's not how Vedic civilization is supposed to work, it's almost democracy. Of course there might be some hazy awareness that their own position in the TMO emulates that of Mubarak and his cronies in Egypt. They will of course have to make some comment at some point and it will be fun to read the crazy logical contortions they'll have to go through to justify the notion that world consciousness is rising and removing an authoritarian leader who rips off his country and enriches his friends and family is just the sort of things that's supposed to happen.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Absolute Silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_reply@ wrote: Has anyone noticed the strange silence emanating from the TMO in regards to the events in Egypt? Has anyone noticed that it's the top Positive Trends item on the Global Good News home page? Two of the other seven top positive items are related: Obama's speech, and the stock market rising. It's the explaining that comes after the reporting which is more amusing. The guys on the news desk put things on the site that sound good to them, but they're not always approved of by the top cats. Obviously they have to report it as good news because everyone else thinks it is so they have to make an attempt to claim the credit. It's in the weeks ahead where they have to trot out explanations as to why removing an autocratic and kleptocratic regime is a good thing, but err, umm that doesn't apply to us
[FairfieldLife] Re: Surveying
A list of wishes isn't a plan. The biggest stumbling block is going to be Faculty: *Grow the faculty to accommodate projected enrollment growth and establish endowed professorships for the recruitment and retention of distinguished scholars For the very obvious reason that MUM is so far out of mainstream of academic life that no one would want to pollute their resume by being associated with it. They might be able to raise the money required for new buildings, but they aren't going to raise the academic credibility required for new staff. Anyone know what happened to the University in Kansas? With the price of wheat this year the local farmers might be looking at that land with a view to buying it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: (MUM) is preparing to embark on a comprehensive campaign to ensure the lasting vibrancy of Maharishi's Consciousness-Based education on the campus in Fairfield and programs that extend around the world. In order to seize opportunities and surmount challenges critical to the University's continued growth and excellence, the promise of the future will need to be met with proportional investment in the following priorities that are central to its mission, values and identity: Students: *Increase the number of endowed undergraduate and graduate scholarships offered to effectively recruit/retain top students, increase enrollment to 1,200 on the Fairfield campus and grow the retention rate to 80 percent *Enhance all aspects of the Consciousness-Based foundation of students' experience on campus *Enhance residential life by maximizing the efficacy of staff, policies, activities and facilities while promoting an inclusive living environment for all students *Expand the range/number of social, cultural, athletic, and academic activities *Broaden career counseling services and job placement efforts Faculty: *Grow the faculty to accommodate projected enrollment growth and establish endowed professorships for the recruitment and retention of distinguished scholars Facilities: *Continue to create a campus that is in accord with natural law by developing residence halls, classroom space and cultural venues that are sustainable, carbon neutral and apply the principles of Maharishi Vedic Architecture *Undertake priority projects and renovations central to the University's mission and necessary for creating an optimal MUM campus community Medical School: *Create the world's first medical school based on the principles of Maharishi Ayurveda with an integrated approach to health and healthcare Maharishi School: *Endow scholarships for students and faculty positions of our flagship K-12 school on the MUM campus Promoting Consciousness-Based Education and Peace Creation Worldwide: *Collaborate with existing institutions and help establish new partnerships to effectively bring Consciousness-Based education to a global audience *Increase the number of participants in peace-creating groups on MUM's campus and in Maharishi Vedic City to create national invincibility and world peace MUM stands on the threshold of an important period of growth and expansion and the leadership has commissioned a planning study to assess the University's capacity to raise $50 million for the endowment over five years. As a valuable member of our community, your opinion on this matter is extremely important. I invite you to provide your perceptions about the University and the proposed campaign ... ... Thank you,
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
Anyone have news from Kansas? The part finished empty shell of Maharishi Central University will be going up for sale as farmland sometime in the next couple of years. News from Kansas http://tinyurl.com/34ewjk4 Looks like it's already gone back to being farmland, albeit organic farmland owned by the TMO. I wonder if the farmer has ever been paid for helping out, or if he has to pay an above market rent to farm there. Sounds like they're still clinging to the idea that it's all going to be OK when the economy turns and then they can take it out of hibernation and students will flock there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
Slowly, very slowly, the awful truth is beginning to make it through to the top guys in the TMO. But it's already too late to save MUM, it has no credibility in the academic world and so it can't get new staff. So no amount of economizing will allow it to survive. This news is just the first step towards the inevitable closure of MUM, with all that implies for the rest of the movement. When times are tough and people have to make tough choices they reveal their real priorities. You can be pretty sure that Girish's palace and Tony's Paris pad won't be sacrificed to keep MUM alive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote: I think there is not much money left to support all the things going on: India brahmastan buildings, MUM, NYC's Broad Steet building, the Maharishi schools, Vlodrop, and salaries or whatever for the top folks all over the world. All expensive ventures begun during different times. The TMO has been trying to sell the Broad St property for at least 9 months now. Without MMY and then the economy, I suspect donations are way way down. And very few initiations. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:59 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM only to 'Survive' Dateline: Maharishi University of Management Bevan insturcts faculty and staff that MUM is just to survive, tighten up Don't do anything new. This was the mission laid out by Bevan the other day in tele conferance meeting that he called in to from somewhere. What did he mean by this? Survive could have many meanings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
Does anyone really know the style in which Girish lives? AFIK he built a no expense spared palace ostensibly for Maharishi to come back to India to, while knowing that (a) Maharishi wasn't going to be around for long and (b) Maharishi had no plans to return. Then he told M that he'd built a wonderful palace for him and M said, I'm not interested, you can keep it, whereupon Girish said Gee thanks uncle, I am most honoured. There are pictures of it somewhere but I can't be bothered to find them. Anyone have news from Kansas? The part finished empty shell of Maharishi Central University will be going up for sale as farmland sometime in the next couple of years. It'll be interesting to see if they'll realise where Bevan's/Maharishi's fear based administration has led them, or if they'll carry on blaming everyone else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_reply@ wrote: Slowly, very slowly, the awful truth is beginning to make it through to the top guys in the TMO. But it's already too late to save MUM, it has no credibility in the academic world and so it can't get new staff. So no amount of economizing will allow it to survive. This news is just the first step towards the inevitable closure of MUM, with all that implies for the rest of the movement. When times are tough and people have to make tough choices they reveal their real priorities. You can be pretty sure that Girish's palace and Tony's Paris pad won't be sacrificed to keep MUM alive. Does anyone really know the style in which Girish lives? If MUM goes, I think that means the TMO goes. When this falls apart, it will be most interesting to see how the top people live out their lives - will they have oodles of money squirreled away, or be getting by on very little.? Living in FF or some TM enclave in Vlodrop, or getting far away from it all? For TM teachers, the TMO was incredibly stingy - and I imagine the same goes for their treatment of MUM faculty, too. My guess is that if Bevan is beginning to ring the alarm bells publicly, then he and the other top people are way way ahead of what they are talking about. I bet they have already begun the plan to dismantle things. I have no idea who runs the money and disperses it, or what is left of it. But it would be a really interesting process to watch from the inside. And what about the value of MUM- selling the land and buildings? Wouldn't it be wild if some fundie Christian college bought the place? Honestly, I would be sad to see the place close - at least in its ideal form, the whole idea is a worthy one. It is the center of the organization for TM people. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: I think there is not much money left to support all the things going on: India brahmastan buildings, MUM, NYC's Broad Steet building, the Maharishi schools, Vlodrop, and salaries or whatever for the top folks all over the world. All expensive ventures begun during different times. The TMO has been trying to sell the Broad St property for at least 9 months now. Without MMY and then the economy, I suspect donations are way way down. And very few initiations. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:59 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM only to 'Survive' Dateline: Maharishi University of Management Bevan insturcts faculty and staff that MUM is just to survive, tighten up Don't do anything new. This was the mission laid out by Bevan the other day in tele conferance meeting that he called in to from somewhere. What did he mean by this? Survive could have many meanings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Israel to continue its invasion of the West Bank.
Stick to the point Willy. As far as I can see US interests in the Middle East and around the world are subordinate to the interests of a few Israeli settlers. The settlers choose which chunks of real estate they think they own by virtue of a message from god someone supposedly had a few thousand years ago, go and build there, kicking off anyone already living there, and the US is expected to roll-over and support them. Of course the people kicked off the land don't like it, and they don't like the fact that the US just rolls-over and supports them, including financing them. US support depends on the shrinking minority of people who think that by allowing Israelis to claim the promised land it will bring the second coming and the rapture and all that. But then there are the hangers on like you who are bright enough to see that the second coming isn't going to happen, but still identify with the overall group ethos of the right. So they have to find a way to justify Israeli actions without stating that Israel should have unquestioned support because they're hastening the second coming. So they twist themselves into all kinds of logical knots and morally questionable positions to stay with the group ethos, even though if the very same logic were applied to them they'd be the first to reach for their guns to defend themselves. You need to be able to disentangle some of the ideas of the right from the rest of the junk they believe in and not just pony up dubious arguments to defend the indefensible. The bare fact of the matter is that if the world knew then what it knows now, Israel would never have been created. It was a mistake to allow a country to be carved out of other people's territory on the basis of someone's brush with schiziod delusions back in the Bronze Age. The idea that a group of people should own a slice of real estate because one of their ancestors had voices in their head a few thousand years ago is quite clearly wrong. A mistake has been made, the hole has been dug and can't be undug, but the very least they can do is stop digging themselves even deeper by mistreating their neighbours. The entire ethos of Israel is based on the notion that they are god's chosen people and therefore other people are untermenschen, lesser beings. You might give unquestioning support to their actions and find ways to justify them and even vote your tax dollars to support them, but it's not a two way street. They think you are lower down the cosmic hierarchy than you, a useful fool who can be relied on to cough up cash to keep them going. The return on the investment is terrible. Three trillion dollars fighting a war on behalf of Israel which has left America nearly bankrupt, and they haven't even got the good grace to stop stealing from their neighbors. America has no strategic interest in maintaining unquestioned support for Israel. Nothing comes back the other way. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: guyfawkes: Israel was created at a time when old colonial powers thought it was OK to steal other people's land... So, you're saying that Israel shouldn't exist as a nation, and you're agreeing with the Iranian dictator and Hamas that Israel should be wiped off the map. That's your solution to the problem? To exterminate the Jews and then give the land of Judah to the terrorists, Hamas? Apparently you have not thought this through, so I'm wondering why you're opening your big pie hole now. You're not even making any sense, Guy. and create a new country as a colony. Israel has invaded other people's territory and stolen their property. If a gang of thugs broke into your house you'd want to defend yourself, but you think that allowing Palestinians the right to defend themselves against invaders is wrong. Your logic is terrible. Please explain in detail how Israel invading another country is the moral equivalent of a wimp beating up a gang of thugs. Bearing in mind that the people who used to live in the country now called Israel were never asked if they wanted a new state created on their land. Have you ever considered reading a history book, Mr. Fawkes? The Muslim countries sided with Adolph Hitler in WW II and they lost the war. Can you give me any reason why these places - Jordan, Syria, and the 'Gaza Strip' should exist now as nations, after taking sides with the Nazis? How many democracies exist in the Middle East? Before the war, the 'Left Bank' was part of Jordan and the 'Gaza Strip' belonged to Egypt. The people you are calling 'Palestinians' are Jordanians and Egyptians. So, why can't 'Jews' that live in Judah and Jerusalem be termed 'Palestinians'?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Israel to continue its invasion of the West Bank.
The Arabs lost the war, so the land now belongs to the Israelis. Interesting logic Willy. So if a someone raided your house, tied you up, raped your wife, and made off with your most treasured possessions it would be ok would it? According to you then yes it would be ok because you'd have lost to the intruder.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Israel to continue its invasion of the West Bank.
No it's a very good analogy. Israel was created at a time when old colonial powers thought it was OK to steal other people's land and create a new country as a colony. Israel has invaded other people's territory and stolen their property. If a gang of thugs broke into your house you'd want to defend yourself, but you think that allowing Palestinians the right to defend themselves against invaders is wrong. Your logic is terrible. Please explain in detail how Israel invading another country is the moral equivalent of a wimp beating up a gang of thugs. Bearing in mind that the people who used to live in the country now called Israel were never asked if they wanted a new state created on their land. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Very poor analogy. More like a gang of thugs breaks into a wimps house and the wimp beats the crap out of the intruders who then complain to the police that someone bigger and badder beat them up and they want the stuff they left behind and justice now! From: guyfawkes91 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 11:00:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Israel to continue its invasion of the West Bank.  The Arabs lost the war, so the land now belongs to the Israelis. Interesting logic Willy. So if a someone raided your house, tied you up, raped your wife, and made off with your most treasured possessions it would be ok would it? According to you then yes it would be ok because you'd have lost to the intruder.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MGF Chat Summary - Raja Luis and Dr. Robert Roth
Two countries have requested implementation in their police forces, which are highly militarized. Birds of a feather flock together. The TMO always did well when mixing with dictators. Promises of invincibility go down well with people who have good reason to be scared of their own population. But rather more interesting is the influx of media types, who one normally expects to be free spirits and not at all keen on authoritarian systems. I think there's likely to be a culture clash at some point. Maybe some of them will do a bit of background research, or maybe get their accountants to do some due diligence on the money flows. If you see poor teachers and yet the upper echelons are building palaces for themselves you don't need a high powered forensic accountant to work out what's going on.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is TM a religion (?)
Thus, if the first two answers are yes it is a religion, yes? Then string theory is a religion. The practice address fundamental and ultimate questions having to do with deep and imponderable matters. And it is comprehensive in nature. The real difference isn't the holidays, funny hats or dietary restrictions it's how people deal with information that conflicts with their beliefs. If string theory were a religion, and the LHC found evidence against it, then string theorists would ignore the evidence. In fact if the LHC does find evidence against string theory people will simply abandon string theory. What makes TM a religion isn't the funny hats, dietary restrictions or ceremonies, it's the fact that evidence against perceived wisdom is ignored or reinterpreted to support the received ideas. E.g. the collapse of the markets during the IAA.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Successors Tony Nadaar and Girish Verma AND Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, Shanka
The fairy tale told here isn't quite true. The real deal is that Girish built the palace without asking Maharishi first and then said Oh great one we've built a palace for you so you can come back to India, whereupon Maharishi replied I'm not coming back you can keep it, whereupon Girish replied You mean we get to live in the palace we've built for you! Gee thanks uncle ;-) Well I guess a video of the palace it's a close as we're likely to get to an independent audit of the accounts. It's pretty clear were the bulk of that $7 a go to teach poor kids in India is going. Interesting that the link to the picture of the latest(some argument here) Shankaracharya is on Paul Mason's website. Does someone not know the full story? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_re...@... wrote: Brahmachari Girish Chandra Varma built Brahma Nivas as a home for Maharishi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acvFlpbBWE0feature=related Shankaracharya Arrival, Sahasrachandi Mahayagya Ram Mandir Dedication The Nine Nights of Mother Divine, Navaratri, were celebrated with a Sahasrachandi Mahayagya at Brahma Nivas, in Bhopal India, at the end of March and beginning of April 2009. At Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's request Brahmachari Girish Chandra Varma built Brahma Nivas as a home for Maharishi. It is now the residence of Brahmachari Girish ji who is the Chairman of Maharishi Shiksha Samsthan and head of Maharishi Ved Vigyan Vishwa Vidya Peeth (MP), the Maharishi Pandit organization. The yagya featured 121 pandits who are now in residence at the National Headquarters of MP, located directly across the road from Brahma Nivas and only a km from the Maharishi Vidya Mandir School in Ratanpur with over 2600 students grades K-12 (10+2). The pandits' yagya in the morning was followed by tales of the Ramayana each evening, accompanied by presentations by special speakers, all in Hindi. The first speaker on the first night of the yagya was Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math. (there are reports that Swami Madhavashram is now the 'official' Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath..http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/Shantanand.htm) His entry to the audience hall is shown, followed by some clips from the last day of the yagya, the concluding circumambulation of the yagya enclosure, and then footage from the inauguration of a permanent Ram Mandir which stands right next to the temporary Yagya Shala, between it and Brahma Nivas. Girishji has now announced that the yagya will continue with daily performance for an entire year. Homage To Maharishi Mahesh Yogi+ Cremation Of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi-Video http://living.oneindia.in/yoga-spirituality/faith-mysticism/2008/maharis\ hi-mahesh-yogi-cremation-homage.html According to the wish of the late Maharishi, all the arrangements of his funeral were made under the guidance of Shankaracharya Vasudevanand Saraswati The mortal remains of the spiritual guru were brought at Arail Ashram here on Saturday. His successors Tony Nadaar and Girish Verma, along with 60 others, had brought the body from Holland. Girish Verma: http://www.e-gyan.net/index.jsp With All the Best Wishes in Maharishi's Third Year of Invincibility - Global Ram Raj. Jai Guru Dev, Jai Maharishi Brahmachari Girish Chandra Varma
[FairfieldLife] The Skeptical Inquirer's view on AGW
This is the view of skeptics view of AGW in this months Skeptical Inquirer http://tinyurl.com/y8wedpo Warning!! These people are professional skeptics so they think about things, give a lot of importance to evidence and they understand thermodynamics. Example paragraphs The global warming debate continues, at least among the science-challenged. The calculation of the mass of CO2 produced from burning a gallon of gasoline was the subject of a recent vigorous disagreement on the letters page of our local newspaper. This is a question that a decent high school chemistry student should be able to answer, but the highly opinionated letter writers were not able to resolve their differences, despite the fact that reaction stoichiometry is indisputably settled science. Likewise, a competent high school physics student understands how the so-called greenhouse effect works and that conservation of energy is also settled science. It has been known for over a hundred years that adding CO2 to the atmosphere increases its infrared opacity, and when this happens, more energy from sunlight enters Earth's atmosphere than escapes. The atmosphere must heat up on average. There is no scientific debate about this fact, and nobody has ever published a zero-warming theory to explain how it could be otherwise. So if you want to preserve the illusion that climate change denial is being skeptical and clever you might prefer not to read it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DailyTech - Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Can anyone find a reputable rebuttal to this?: The laws of thermodynamics are generally considered to be pretty reliable. There's a simple equation that relates heat flow to temperature and insulation. Joseph Fourier in 1845 worked out that greenhouse gases must be keeping the Earth nice and warm because if they didn't then the Earth would surely freeze. The other reliable indicators of global temperatures are glaciers. The snouts of glaciers are sensitive to changes from -0.1 deg C to +0.1 deg C, for obvious reasons, and they respond to to decades long temperature changes, not the daily, weekly or even yearly weather. Nearly all the glaciers around the world are shrinking. The only possible explanation is that temperatures averaged over decades must be rising. It's difficult to work out long term changes in global temperatures from the daily and seasonal variation seen by thermometers, but deep soil temperatures, which are protected from short term changes corroborate the other evidence of rising temperatures. All in all pretty much all scientists except those who identify with the nut-job fringe are OK about accepting that the laws of thermodynamics still work as per the equations, and therefore the Earth is warming.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Growing Glaciers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Here's another one. A climate change denier friend keeps sending me this stuff. Can anyone offer scientific evidence to the contrary?: http://www.iceagenow.com/growing_glaciers.htm Sounds like they're not the sort of person to let facts get in the way of a comforting fairy tale so scientific evidence might not be what they need. Maybe a word with Santa Claus would do the trick. Or failing that actual real people who can verify that snow ain't what it used to be, like Innuit or ski-resort owners. People who live near the snow line where they can see the evidence with their own eyes are never climate change deniers. So your friend would have to get through to them. Mind someone like Sarah Palin can deny AGW when large parts of Alaska are losing permafrost so even seeing the evidence with your own eyes isn't enough for some people.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thousands of Indian Children Ready to Learn TM - Only $7 or 5 euro a Student
Can we see a breakdown of where the $7 goes? E.g what percentage goes to paying the TM teachers doing the actual teaching (don't laugh all of you) and what percentage is used to fund silk cushions in Tony's Paris apartment and Girish's palace in India? Will independently audited accounts be available? Â We need your help only 7 US$ or 5 Euro is needed for a student to learn TM
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Message from Raja Raam
The words a delicacy are a really strange choice. Sweet truth. How it translates is, If I call this turd floating in the punchbowl a delicacy, no one will notice it's a turd. The following statement is not really accurate since Maharishi-ji never said to me the following in those terms: Maharishi had told him that, in the tradition of rulership, having the support of a Royal Family brought stability and strength to the Kingdom. I think it's a case of Hagelin being so much in the habit of telling untruths and little white lies, as is everyone at the top of the TMO, that he thought he could spin the story a bit and no one would raise an eyebrow. No one ever has in the past. The simple fact that someone has had their wrists slapped in public for telling a lie is an interesting new development for the movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Raja Ram
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Granted, I've been off the scene here on FFL for many months due to pressing life issues. Butcan anyone tell me what exactly happened with the money raised for all of those at risk children? I don't recall seeing any posts showing thousands of kids being initiated. (Again I may have missed this.I'm the first to admit.) So, all that money that was raised from the huge McCartney/Starr concert in NYC? Does everyone have a clear accounting of how it was used? Again, I've been off the scene here and just want to know that this money didn't land in the pockets of Girish Varma and family instead of, um, at risk children. Well King Tony has a nice condo in Paris paid for out of movement funds, and knowing what the movement style is like it's probably packed full of gold embroidered silk cushions and gold leaf covered seats with a stack of silver cutlery he can use for the 25 dishes he has his servants prepare for each meal. So that part of the cash is safe from the Varma mafia. Simply asking where has the money gone? will get your dome badge revoked.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Raja Ram
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From a friend: I email back and forth with an old friend who is on Purusha and is up in Uttar Kashi. In fact he was the one that told me about Toni's marital status. And then he followed up with this: Apparently Raja John (Hagelin) gave a clearer understanding about Raja Ram's situation these days. He said that under M's guidance Raja Raam purchased and lives in a 2 story condo in Paris. He lives on one floor and his family on the other. He spends the vast majority of his time doing the special program that M designed for him and doing research and writing on Ved in the Ramayana, and Movement administration. Raja John said he thought RR is as deeply steeped in silence as any Purusha and maintains what could be called an ideal Purusha program and routine. This is wonderful news, he's getting closer and closer to leading a normal life. If he could extend his daily routine with a trip to a local cafe with his family, or maybe descend into the subway and rub shoulders with the sweaty masses, he might get some insight into his true position. He could be really daring and try actually teaching TM in Paris and living on a teacher's income. If he spent a year doing that the administration of the movement would really change for the better. The more I hear about this the more impressed I am with the guy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Raja Ram
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: Apparently Raja John (Hagelin) gave a clearer understanding about Raja Ram's situation these days. He said that under M's guidance Raja Raam purchased and lives in a 2 story condo in Paris. He lives on one floor and his family on the other. Do you think anyone is going to buy this? That sucker is likely living the high life, sans robe, and crown, having morning coffee at a cafe, lunch at a bisto, dinner and wine at a nice French restaraunt. Brilliant! Bring it on! Apart from the fact that he's dining off of money that has been taken from impoverished teachers, or should be going to support pundits or at risk kids, getting out of the Vlodrop madhouse provides an education he badly needs. So it could be money well spent. I think it could be hard for people to get their heads around this one. The harder the better. Eventually the mental contortions required will become too much even for the most hardened TB and then, like an overwound clock, the mechanism will fly apart. Once they are forced to admit that Maharishi wasn't always right they have to sift through all of their beliefs and work out which ones are right and which one's aren't. Superb!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is married with 2 daughters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@... wrote: If we assume that information is true The best place to start is to assume that it's false unless we hear independent corroboration. This has been running for a few hours now and it's such a hot item that someone should know someone who has more inside info, but it hasn't turned up yet and as the hours pass it's looking more like it's false. Which leaves some very disturbing alternatives (1) It's a prank on us losers on FFL who are so willing to believe anything wrong about the TMO that we'll believe a false story without asking questions. But then it was sent by someone who either carelessly or carefully left the trail brian64705 horsfi...@ Since even reading FFL,let alone posting something, will get someone fired from MUM faculty, then either Brian (AFIK one of the saner members of MUM faculty) is considering other career options, or someone is maliciously and not very cleverly trying to get him fired. (2) Tony really did say he has a wife and family, but... actually he doesn't. It's all in his mind (sorry, on the level of consciousness). We know that he genuinely thinks he's the ruler of the world and that most of the people around him would be certified insane if they ever met up with a psychiatrist while dressed in full regalia. So initially his confession would be taken at face value by JH. Then when they researched it a bit, like show us the wife and kids then?, they found there was nothing, and now have to face up to the fact that the king is a complete lunatic. So it's all gone quiet as the terrible truth sinks in. If so this could be the moment when insight dawns and some of them realize they'd lost the plot and the people around him are now starting to think man that was some strong acid, did we really pay a million bucks to dress up as kings? Yeeesh!. (1) is the most probable as pranks have been played before. But I'll feel sorry for Brian who will have some awkward explanations to do. If on the other hand the rumor is true then the TBs will have to learn new advanced mental gymnastics to handle the cognitive dissonance. Those of us who long ago realized that the movement is completely bonkers only have to raise an eyebrow and manage a smug smile. Signs of normalcy are a good thing, but normalcy is such an alien concept in the TMO elite that it's bound to cause upsets.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is married with 2 daughters
While this is good advice, and prudent, speaking as someone who has been having fun playing with the very *concept* of this happening -- true or false -- I think that it's already had value as a kind of What if... scenario. Well thinking about the what-ifs does leave me doubled up with laughter. For a start that spoof letter that went round a while back, not the Queen search one, but the one about all the rajas starting a new program to preserve a royal family and aristocracy, looking for volunteers, will actually turn out to be prophetic. They'll all be wanting some of the action. Then of course people can speculate about what might happen to a little girl who's been brought up to think she's a princess of an important country, and has her first taste of the real world, probably in the VIP lounge of some airport. You mean you don't know that I'm the Princess of the Global Country!! (stamps feet) , Never heard of it mam, did you pack your bags yourself? The whole idea is just too wacky to be true.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is married with 2 daughters
. According to my sources at Radiance, the TM Ideal Village, the story is false. But, it is interesting reading the messages posted to FFL so far: apparently there are more TBs on FFL than Turq ever imagined! LOL! This is a classic thread! Should be added to the FFL 'Hall of Flames', fer sure. Talk about people being 'suggestible. And nosey. Go figure. Ok it's false, it was just too wacky to be true. So who is trying to land Brian Horsfield into deep trouble? The traceback on the initial email was either a case of spoofing a random member of MUM faculty to give the email some credibility or someone deliberately targeting Brian in the hope of getting him fired from MUM. Either way it's pretty sick. Brian is a good guy, although even if he was one of the nutty ones it was still a sick thing to do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is married with 2 daughters
Brian is an FFL subscriber with the no email option. He posted here back in 2008 when he was promoting kangen water. But we can't be sure it was the real Brian Horsfield can we. It seems very unlikely that it is the one on MUM faculty. So either there's another genuine Brian Horsfield deep enough into TM to be able to craft a believable letter from JH, or he's picked someone from MUM faculty to spoof. The real Brian promoting kangen water? Surely not, this is the geologist who found the first Canadian diamond while working for De-Beers, I can't believe he's really sunk that low.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is married with 2 daughters
I missed how Brian Horsfield is involved in this. Please explain. In the root email for this thread making the announcement, on the right hand side where it displays the sender details it says brian64705 horsfi...@... That was something that at first made me think it might even be true. But then the real Brian wouldn't be risking his job by posting on FFL would he.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is married with 2 daughters
Here is what looks to me like it may be the original source email: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BuddhaAtTheGasPump/message/1837 That almost looks like independent corroboration! It's often the case that places like NZ will get hot news from the TMO before bigger more uptight countries do because they don't have a ton of people trying to work out what the spin should be and how it should be slanted for the meditators. If it is real then the MUM PR guys won't be giving the full details until they've doctored the info. Though we still have to consider the possibility that the whole thing is on the level of consciousness. Until we've seen the birth certificates we can't be sure that Tony didn't just have a wet dream and not realize that it wasn't real, he does dress up as king of the world you know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is married with 2 daughters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_reply@ wrote: The real Brian promoting kangen water? Surely not, this is the geologist who found the first Canadian diamond while working for De-Beers, I can't believe he's really sunk that low. See for yourself: http://www.google.com/search?hl=ensafe=offq=kangen+%22Brian+Horsfieldaq=foq=aqi= http://is.gd/6skVg And, if you look on his Facebook page, he's got a link to a Facebook group that's about one of the magic MLM fruit juice schemes. Fairfield has always been a magnet for network marketing. OMG! A brilliant geologist who found the first Canadian diamond selling magic fruit juice via MLM. That is terrible!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is married with 2 daughters
Can anyone think of a rich Lebanese family with very close movement connections and a daughter who used to hang out in Vlodrop but hasn't been seen around for a few years? Just asking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is married with 2 daughters
I mean, you'd be putting the signature of The World's Most Important Scientist Ever under a load of horsecrap. How often does *that* happen? AFIK every time he signs his name. More intriguingly though there is a Brian Horsfield on MUM faculty. So it could be that he knows he's got to look for another job and didn't care about everyone tracing the comment back to him, or the faker is impersonating someone on MUM faculty. My crystal ball tells me that the TMO has a series of highly entertaining Jerry Springer moments in its future. Has Bevan disappeared to have John Hagelin's love child? Did Tony Nader secretly have a sex change op so he could have his own child? Does John Konhaus have a good reason to avoid the rays of the full moon? When will TB's brains explode with the effort involved in double-double-double-double-think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam is married with 2 daughters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: it is not a practical joke when you sign someone's name to something they did not write, it is just a lie If it is a lie then landing Brian Horsfield in deep doo-doo isn't just a lie, it's pretty malicious stuff. We'll have to wait for the official announcement. Though the complicated logistics involved in maintaining a secret family while at Vlodrop kinda suggests it's not true. If it is official then we'll have to have go through all the usual royalty related stuff. Mugs and plates with pictures of the royal family on them, fawning courtiers, TMO papparazi chasing the little dears around town as they try to sample normal life by getting drunk in night clubs, bust ups with boyfriends, divorces and so on. Wouldn't it be amazing if they turned out normal. I think I'll send a children's book to Vlodrop as a present, The Emperor's New Clothes by Hans Christian Anderson. It's important they learn early on what their real status is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bevan?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: no sight or mention of him Jan 12? new financial controlling group of the Dillbecks, Hagelin and one unamed RajRajeshwari, anyone here know her name? Well that is a sign of rising age of enlightenment even I can believe in! Quietly air brushing him from history won't undo the damage he's done though. A public recognition of his crimes against humanity and a reversal of his actions in excluding people would make a good start in healing the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Only 506 shopping days left until the Rapture
Evidently, he was wrong, LaCasse allowed, but this time it is going to happen. There was some doubt last time, but we didn't have any proofs. This time we do. Would his opinion of Camping change if May 21, 2011, ended without incident? I can't even think like that, LaCasse said. Everything is too positive right now. There's too little time to think like that. Amazing isn't it. But it's exactly the same kind of nutjob thinking that leads people to believe there's something in Tony Nader's work finding parallels between human physiology and vedic literature, or John Hagelin's ideas on much the same subject. Oh yes and the ME, even though there's not a shred of evidence that can stand up to critical scrutiny. I'll make a prediction, in 30 years time on January 12th there will be a few old people left in Vedic City and Vlodrop, (MUM having closed 15 years before) and they'll be sitting around still dressed up in crowns and gowns telling each other how wonderful they are, praising each other for their achievements and that finally this year will see the dawn of sat yuga. Every other trace of the movement in the West will have vanished by then, the pundits will have got jobs in call centers in Mumbai because the money will have run out, but the top people will still be sending out letters begging for money to support project X,Y,Z, and Tony Nader will still be having 25 dishes cooked for each meal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: INVINCIBILITY IN GUYANA BY GOVERNMENT INSTITUTION
--- Maharishi's Global Family Chat 29.12.2009 Guyana is transitioning to invincibility with a series of Yogic Flying courses beginning in the coming days, which will create enough flyers for invincibility. Raja Luis explained that this is the first time a country has made the transition to invincibility based on a project undertaken by a government institution without the Movement being established in the country. Invincible against what? Invasion from St Kitts or Guadaloupe? Nothing much happens there anyway. I bet no one notices any difference.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?
I haven't had contact with Deans in over 27 years but I knew him when he was a regular working stiff and I can tell you this: he was the most successful person in his field, was a go-getter, and there wasn't anything spaced out about the guy. This is not someone who had to escape to the confines of the Movement because he couldn't make it in the real world. He outshined everyone in the real world. The medical term is ideology, it rots the brain and makes intelligent people do stupid things. There are plenty of examples in the TMO of otherwise bright well organized people who get infected with ideology and then behave as if they've had parts of their brains removed. Technically they have, but without having had the operation, they've silently shut down parts of their intelligence in order to be with the group. It's not something that's unique to the TMO, other groups can get infected too. In fact so common that it's the rule rather than the exception. Look at the number of otherwise bright scientists who think that the laws of thermodynamics no longer apply to the earth's atmosphere and therefore by some miracle increasing CO2 isn't going to make the earth warmer. A simple hand calculation, as Fourier did in 1845, would show that it can't possibly work like that, yet to be with the group they'll shut off parts of their brains and believe obvious nonsense even though they have the intelligence and training to actually sit down and do a hand calculation to show that it's nonsense. Michael Shermer in The borderlands of science relates an example of someone being hypnotized to forget that the number 8 exists. They'll count on their fingers 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,9,10,11. They know the real answer is not 11 but they can't work out why they keep getting 11 when they count their fingers. Even an explanation won't help them, they have to be un-hypnotized to be able to see the number 8 again. Google groupthink for other examples of clever people doing dumb things. If Ashley Deans was taken out of the TMO and recovered his intelligence he'd most likely be a very sensible person.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
One contingent is contending to take the proceeds, buy prime land cheaper in South America through the TMo down there, farm it 'organically' with cheap labor as an enlightened movement business supporting the TMo Why does the TMO need constant support from businesses? It has a good meditation technique and teachers who have left the movement have demonstrated that it's possible to build a viable business on the basis of a valued service. There should be no need for endless begging for money. The TMO has in effect become a fund raising and property development business with a small sideline in spiritual development and in time the small sideline will die out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: A Courts-Martial 1) Sale of 600 prime acres of failed farming. 2)Sale of Folded school building. It'll be slow death by a thousand cuts. Most people saw it coming decades ago but the plane was kept in the air by credulous wealthy donors. Now the machinery meets the geology and we have what's known as Controlled Flight into Terrain. That's aviation terminology for flying a perfectly serviceable aircraft into the side of a mountain due to pilot error. In this case, the underlying idea is perfectly good, and there's a viable business teaching a good mediation technique to the general public. But there's not a viable business in sucking money from wealthy donors so that a bunch of nut jobs in crowns who think they rule the world can spend it on vanity projects. The danger is that the good part of the business will go down the toilet with the bad parts. It'll be interesting to watch the slow stages. My guess is that they'll sell of every last building and parcel of land before they'll take off their crowns and admit they've made TM a laughing stock. At this point in the game the few remaining ones are still holding onto the idea that the cosmic cavalry will turn up at the last minute to save the day, i.e. use the last drop of money in the organization to pay for a phase transition. The next stage will be the growing realization that it's not going to happen, and they've left it too late to change course. The obvious candidate for the next round of land auctions is the university in Kansas. Because that'll be a much bigger loss of face than selling off surplus bits in Fairfield then when it finally happens (and it must do) we'll know that the magnitude of the tragedy is finally dawning on people and there might even be a chance to get them to listen to reason and common sense. Though not if Bevan has any say in the matter. Oh well they can't say they weren't warned.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Org's legal threatens The Examiner
History seems to show that it takes waging 'total war' to bring a-social terrorists in. (Shays, secessionists, Sioux, Apache, Islamisists) Like Bill Goldstein doing the bidding and taking the war on non-meditators to the front-doors like of the un-civil and anti-TM insurgents. It will be 'total war'. It is the final solution. Non-meditation is the problem. Non-meditators are the problem. Sal, come in before it is too late for you. The science is very clear on this, just be civil. It is spiritual suicide to resist. Come back to regular meditation. Jai Adi Shankara, Is Freedom Fighting they do. Goldstein and that Goldman too are just troopers doing the bidding of our TM Rajas. I doubt that all of the 'rajas' are in favor of abusing the legal system to wage war on dissenting opinions. If you follow the tracks back there's one big spider at the center of the web of intrigue. Without Bevan as the prime instigator of harsh treatment of people these attitudes would not gain much traction. We all know that Bevan has a natural aptitude for channeling the dark side of the force, something encouraged by the position he is now in. The only other 'raja' who gets the hots for stamping on people is John Konhaus (a.k.a King Konghaus) and he probably thinks that legal system is for wimps and they should just shoot dissenters. Underneath the silly hats most of those people are actually quite pleasant and mild mannered, even though by medical standards they are close to being certifiably insane.
[FairfieldLife] Elementary Physics of CO2 in a bottle
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8394168.stm?ls I was wondering if the effect would be big enough to show up in a small bottle, and sure enough it is. So all those climate change deniers can get baking soda, vinegar, plastic bottles and thermometers and do the basic science themselves. Except of course for some people faith is more important than fact. So I'd hazard a guess that they'll either (a) refuse to watch the video (b)watch it and claim the video was fixed, (c) watch it, do the experiment and then claim a global conspiracy had fixed their thermometers/lamps/baking soda or worst of all (d) watch it, do the experiment themselves, see that yes CO2 does keep things warmer and then still insist that extra CO2 in the atmosphere is unrelated to global warming. Some people are just plain nuts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Climategate Master Criminal received $22.6 Million!
For someone who supposedly cares about science - you sure seem complacent Hugo! Odd. A reasonable position. Time and data will do the arguing. There's only so much the fringe element can deny. Glaciers are visibly melting, sea levels are rising, CO2 is going up. Only the irredeemably stupid can't see the connection. Why waste time arguing with the irredeemably stupid?
[FairfieldLife] Re: We should end this anti-scientific nonsense now!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anHuOAXIl0M Too much money involved! Where would these so called research scientists get their funding...? The Repubs should just go the whole way and threaten to repeal the laws of thermodynamics if they ever get in again. That's the only way adding insulation to the Earth's atmosphere isn't going to lead to global warming in the long run. (except for guns of course, they'll still the laws of thermodynamics for guns to work)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culprits behind the Man Made Global Warming Scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wg...@... wrote: Michael Mann, James Hansen, Phil Jones, Michael Oppenheimer, Stephen Schneider, Kevin Trenberth these are but a few of the big guns of global warming alarmism who are unfavorably exposed in the documents that were posted on the Internet by unknown hackers who penetrated the computer system of the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at Britain's University of East Anglia. http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/238\ 3-climategate-e-mail-scandal-could-melt-copenhagen-plans You missed out Joseph Fourier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Fourier) , John Tyndall, Lord Kelvin, Max Planck, Albert Einstein, Svante Arrhenius, Arvid Högbom and many others. They are all part of a long term plot by the liberal media to fool the public with their clever mathematical tricks. The so called laws of thermodynamics are clearly a liberal media scam designed to generate a continual income in research grants. The history of the plot has been exposed here http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: I believe this demeans the TMO and TM Program
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[FairfieldLife] Re: We should end this anti-scientific nonsense now!
The Repubs should just go the whole way and threaten to repeal the laws of thermodynamics if they ever get in again. That's the only way adding insulation to the Earth's atmosphere isn't going to lead to global warming in the long run. Yes, that would almost be as wacky as declaring a building block of life -- CO2 -- as a pollutant which was done recently. Without repealing the laws of thermodynamics how do the Repubs plan to deal with the fact that adding extra CO2 into the atmosphere must keep the planet warmer in the long run?
[FairfieldLife] Re: We should end this anti-scientific nonsense now!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Where would these so called research scientists get their funding...? guyfawkes91 wrote: The Repubs should just go the whole way and threaten to repeal the laws of thermodynamics if they ever get in again. That's the only way adding insulation to the Earth's atmosphere isn't going to lead to global warming in the long run. (except for guns of course, they'll still the laws of thermodynamics for guns to work) Don't you just hate those Republicans! Yes. The Southern States are a global pain in the butt. The world would be better off without them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to leave a cult with style
Buddhism is a stagnated religion obsessed with authority just like all the other major religions. Cough, cough, umm, pause, and wait for Nabby to realize what he's just written ( whilst trying not to burst out laughing).
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Hagelin Explains the Unified Field
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: To All: He does a good job in explaining the concept. But most people who are not meditators cannot fully understand the idea. Still, there are some who are meditators and still fail to understand or refuse to understand because the ego gets in the way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjZvaYBe2_Mfeature=related It'll be interesting to see how much twisting and turning and full on doublethink he manages when CERN announce that there is no unified field. It'll take them a few years to accumulate the evidence so don't expect the idea to be headline news for a while yet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Who is it, That seeks...War?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: The Israelis, do not want war...the people in Israel, do not want war... Quite right the Israelis don't want war, they just want to steal other people's land without having them fight back. If only people wouldn't fight back when they have their property stolen from them then we wouldn't have war.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Who is it, That seeks...War?...'
I am absolutely in favor of a safe place for Jews to live, Why give any group of people special privileges just because of deeply held religious belief? They're adults who believe in fairy tales, they don't deserve any special treatment, apart from possibly thorazine. If enough people got together and believed in Santa Claus would you say they deserved to have land given to them in the Canadian Arctic that had been taken from the local Inuit? deeply held religious belief is no different. The existence of a country based on the idea that someone's imaginary friend is a real estate broker who can cut a deal on millions of acres of land without the consent of the people who actually own it is an insult to every intelligent person.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Any comments? ; )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: If Sutil wins today (Sunday), we migth be forced to listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMNCR-qs95w cough Well, methinks it's next to impossible that Adrian could win... Adrian Sutil is German so it would be the German national anthem played if he wins. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Sutil). Force India is owned by an Indian, but is actually a British engineering team with German and Italian drivers. Next year there'll be an American team, owned by an American, using American built engines and car. They might even have an American driver, which would make the team very odd in F1 terms because every other team is heavily multi-cultural and international. The big question in the paddock though is can they go round corners?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Force, India!
It's slightly ironic, that Force India uses Ferrari engines (I believe)! They use the same Mercedes engines that Brawn and McLaren use.
[FairfieldLife] Darwin movie will not be showing in America
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6173399/Charles-Darwin-film-too-controversial-for-religious-America.html Nutjobs Rule!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sutil (Force India) plays some boogie woogie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: (The recent success of Force India might be an idiosyncratic indication that the yagyas performed by Maharishi's pandits are effective...?) ;) Unlikely. The only thing Indian about Force India is the owner. Like most F1 teams it's right in the heart of Scorpion Nation Britain. It's just one of the many F1 teams in Motorsport Valley which happen to have foreign owners.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Force, India!
Nothing short of ultrahypermegasensational! Force India (Fisichella) ended up second after Ferrari (Kimi The Red-nose Drunkard)! FI had zero points before this race! That might well be ominous, let me tell ya... It's good to see an underdog do well and put pressure on the top dogs. FI chasing a Ferrari! what a year! It's edge of your seat stuff nearly every race. Monza will be something.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Force, India!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: Yeehaw. As we say here in Finland: Kyä lähtee! http://www.formula1.com/ If anyone tells you Formula One racing is predictable, they werenât watching at Spa on Saturday as Giancarlo Fisichella took pole position for Force India ahead of Toyotaâs Jarno Trulli and BMW Sauberâs Nick Heidfeld. Yes, you read that right. You missed out the bit about Hamilton and Button being knocked out in Q2 and Ferrari having one car last on the grid. This year has been wonderfully unpredictable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh, this is the best news of all!
Let's see if the Brown Shirts will stop us from talking there... The Brown Shirts are the right wing idiots who are too intellectually impaired to engage in intelligent discussion, so they stifle it by shouting. A real debate involves people taking turns so both sides actually get to make their points and hear each others' points. The shouters in the town hall meetings have been trying to prevent that, because they wouldn't fare too well in an actual debate. Their imaginary objections would soon be refuted. Same would happen in a town hall on global warming. How about a town hall meeting to liven up the debate on whether Pi is equal to 3 (as it implies in the Bible). Is Pi equal to 3? Let the audience decide.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Daily Kos: Who are the Shouters?
The main problem is that people with money, want to feel special, first in line... That's all... Which makes it that much stranger that the loudest protests are coming from not very well off old whites. The kind of people most likely to benefit from a proper health care system. I think that they're worried America will go communist like Sweden (that's near Russia, so they must be commies, which proves it)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Is Consciousness a Wave or a Particle?'
To conclude, Hagelin has misused the terms Unified Field in a dishonest fashion since although Pure Consciousness can be said to be Unified; fields are relative entities. John is actually aware of the problem. He's invented a pleasant story to make Maharishi happy, and now he can't back out. He has to make a distinction between self-interacting and self-referencing and if you listen to some of the stuff he says you'll realize that he's trying to cover up the gap by hand waving arguments. His problem, and deep down he knows this, is that the type of self-reference he wants to believe is the unified field is specifically excluded by special relativity. You're correct, fields are relative entities, the whole point of quantum field theory is to reconcile quantum mechanics with special relativity. As long as he's only talking to a credulous audience he can cover up these points and even convince himself, but if he were to talk to a knowledgeable audience they'd spot the problem immediately.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message to Invincible America from Raja John Hagelin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_re...@... wrote: I agree with what you say about Hagelin, but Tony Nader is intellectually very capable. He has both an MD and PhD from reputable institutions (one at least, possibly both, from The American University in Beirut, Lebanon which his is country of origin. Even very clever and educated people can leave behind their intelligence and education when they get caught up in ideologies. He's passed exams but the only ideas he's had are obvious junk to anyone who knows how to put together a logical argument. His principle skill has been to cultivate favor with MMY and that is an area where he was a genius. Evidence;- he together with David Orme-Johnson were scheduled to speak at a conference on ethno-botany, i.e. medical herbs from a scientists point of view. They were bringing the Ayurvedic point of view and as is normal at these conferences had given the organizers abstracts of their talks in advance. So people were expecting some serious scientists talking intelligently about learning what ancient Indian culture knows about the medical uses of plants. What they got was something completely different. TN and DOJ turned up with a news film crew in tow so there could be a news report on MAV presented at a scientific conference. They ignored their abstracts and instead spoke about TM and the consciousness of plants, dissed everyone connected with the event and left after their allotted lectures without listening to other lectures or socializing with other participants. So the net result was strongly negative for the academic credibility of MIU (as it was then) and TM and MAV in general. But crucially TN had a video tape of himself giving a talk on MAV at a scientific conference which he could show to MMY, and report on a great success, rapturous audience and so on, the kind of thing MMY liked to hear. As far as TN was concerned that was the whole point of the exercise, not to spread knowledge and boost the standing of MIU, but to boost his own standing with MMY, even at the expense of the credibility of MIU. If you listen to TN's talks you'll notice that they're full of flattery and information free statements like this is such beautiful knowledge and not a lot else besides. People who are eager to boost their own standing in the TMO at the expense of the standing of the TMO in wider society should be regarded with deepest suspicion. Although John and Tony are both very clever I'd identify the crucial difference as being that John does at least have a clear exit route from insanity. His ideas are open to being falsified and he'd have to change his mind if better evidence came along which refuted unified field theories. Tony's ideas are such a pile of elephant dung they're not even capable of being falsified so his exit route from insanity is less clear. His theories make no predictions, they're just a random collection of co-incidences with no thread of explanation. The only falsification one can make is to point that out, which is blindingly obvious to anyone with an appropriate education but invisible to people in the TMO. His exit route from insanity is more likely to come from a slow realization that dressing up as a king isn't a good way to present the TMO to the public. As the number of people at the court of Vlodrop decreases over the next 10 to 20 years he'll slowly realize something is wrong. Whereas John is likely to have to face up to reality when the results from CERN come in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message to Invincible America from Raja John Hagelin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_re...@... wrote: I agree with most of what you say. He was quite determined from way back in around 1980 when he appeared on the scene to do whatever MMY asked him and more. In fact, this is the reason he gives (privately) that MMY chose him to be the King - he always went the extra mile - including the Harvard debacle and the example you give below. This does not take away from his intellectual ability in my opinion - it is a character trait. In contrast, Chopra was asked to behave similarly and basically refused seeing what he was being asked to become. I agree that he's a bright guy, but what does detract from his intellectual ability is what he's produced since getting his PhD. His ideas are complete junk and given that he's had a top notch education he should have realized that they are complete junk. All the other highly educated and clever people around him should also have realized that they're total nonsense, but no one has spoken out. It's much the same with John Hagelin, very bright guy and so on, but he's spent so much time thinking up daft ideas to present to Maharishi that he's lost the ability to tell sense from nonsense. He now thinks people sitting in a dome in the middle of America can move trillions of tons of water around the Pacific to create the developing El-Nino which is inhibiting hurricane formation this year. Because the TMO has attracted a lot of very bright people, who have then behaved as if they've forgotten their education, then we have to ask how that process works. Taken individually these people are usually very nice guys (with obvious exceptions), but when they get together a group dynamic takes over which makes them behave otherwise. Irving Janis studied this phenomena Why do groups of highly intelligent people do some really dumb things and came up with the notion of groupthink, (google it you'll see that the TMO has all the characteristics). A combination of peer pressure, the Milgram phenomena, the fact that people are doing mental techniques which increase susceptibility to suggestion, ideology, silencing dissenting views and so on, all conspire to create an environment where some very dumb ideas can flourish unchecked. It certainly is a character trait which allows some people to always follow orders without question, and other people to stop at some point and start to question the orders. I'm not impressed with Deepak's output, but the fact that he did have the integrity to stop at some point and say whoooa this is getting too crazy, I'm outa here is a point in his favor. The question isn't how clever John Hagelin is, or Tony or any of the other very bright people the movement used to be able to attract. That can be taken as read. The question is why they're behaving as if they've had an operation to surgically remove their intelligence. Eventually the extremely dumb ideas have to make contact with reality. It'll be rather like cleaning up after a particularly wild party involving mind altering substances. Did we really spend millions on a university in the middle of nowhere that no one wants to go to?, Did we really dress up as kings and issue decrees?, Did we really think we could move zillions of tons of water around the Pacific by thought alone?, What are these tall empty buildings doing all over the place? Towers of Invincibility?, Oh my God, how embarrassing. (sigh) That was some powerful acid
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message to Invincible America from Raja John Hagelin
*** Peak hurricane season is in September. [Peak Of Season] http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gifs/peakofseason.gif This year you have to factor in a developing El-Nino which reduces the number of hurricanes in the Atlantic. But then also you have to factor in the evidence that people will believe what they want to believe regardless of logic or reason. Even more so if it makes them part of an elite group who believe they're controlling the destiny of the world. Then all evidence to the contrary is is disregarded.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message to Invincible America from Raja John Hagelin
That's the ting with these Capricorns...~ The Truth About Capricorns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIjBO26qjYMfeature=fvst
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message to Invincible America from Raja John Hagelin
What would be better; the continuation of Kali Yuga or accepting Bevan as a fact ? Bevan is the essence of Kali Yuga. He's the leader of the nutjob faction in Vlodrop. He's the main obstruction that's stopping the TMO move towards becoming more acceptable to the public and for people who have learned TM going on to become teachers. Tony Nader wanted to drop the prices so more people would learn and Bevan wouldn't allow it, though I hear that he's now been overruled. Whenever the movement has shown harshness or hardheartedness towards people, Bevan is there encouraging people towards more harshness. He is the driving force behind the plans to use legal teams to silence dissent. Wherever there has been dubious financial dealings Bevan is there. If you add up everything he's ever done you'll see that the sum total of Bevan's achievements has been to take all the social capital that the movement had in the late '70s and convert it into a lot of pompous long winded speeches that have no purpose other than to cement his authority. Everyone, rajas included, will breathe a sigh of relief when he breathes his last. In a few years MUM will close because it can't get the staff. That is Bevan's doing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message to Invincible America from Raja John Hagelin
[Although, FWIW, I would not at all be surprised if Hagelin bailed one of these days. Of the three (Hagelin, Morris, Ram), I think he is the only one with the strength to do so and definitely the only one with any chance of making it in the real world. Given the culture Ram comes from, if he prostrates himself again and again and again(something he should be used to by now) before his family and if they have money, he would be covered, I guess.] Hagelin is an interesting case. I think there is some part of him which is dimly aware that he's spouting junk. All that time with proper scientists and having to do hard calculations must have left an impression somewhere. He's the one who has to work hardest to keep himself convinced of what he's saying because he does have the intelligence and the training to work out that it's garbage. The others, Bevan and Tony, don't have the intellect to appreciate fine points of reason and logic. Hagelin keeps himself convinced by making lots of speeches to people who know little or nothing about science and getting plenty of adulation from the credulous. All these people think I'm wonderful therefore I must be right is the rather distorted reasoning going on there. If he withdrew from the adoring crowds and sat down with a pencil and paper to work things out he might start having doubts Of the other characters, Tony is quite a mild mannered person, even if he doesn't have the training and natural aptitude to spot that his ideas are garbage, he does at least have the temperament to stop the wilder nutjobs at Vlodrop getting too far out of sync with reality. Seeing as he wears a crown and issues decrees that's a relative thing only by comparison with people like Schiffgens, Konhaus and Morris who really are out of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message to Invincible America from Raja John Hagelin
But underneath it all, I have always seen great weakness - the classic bully syndrome. Am I the only one? Lots of FFL members mention truthfully (as I have also seen) his assholeness, but I have always thought of him as being a very weak person. Mmmm. I'd say he was weak in the sense that he's got no real ideas of his own. He can only iterate over (and over and over) what other people have said. The only ideas he comes up with are things like I know let's pay money to bankrupt people who disagree with us with legal bills Not a sign of the most incisive or perceptive intellect is it? He's an enforcer, a classic bully who rises through the ranks of an organization as it treads the path to fascism. People fear him but no one likes him. He's has little or no support in the ranks other than from the terminally simple minded. If the TMO moves away from fear based administration he'll be left behind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is the US on the Brink of Fascism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: http://www.truthout.org/080909A?n Article which eloquently makes a point I've tried to make a couple of times in the past week. I'm confused. Is this the onset of Sat Yuga (cultural integrity, upright moral values, purity and all that) or is it then phase transition letting out all the demons? Or has it got nothing at all to do with group meditation? it escalates, as minor thuggery turns into beatings, killings, and systematic tagging of certain groups for elimination, all directed by people at the very top of the power structure. What you mean like Bevan getting the TMO legal dept to go after people he doesn't like?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is the US on the Brink of Fascism?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: What a load of paranoid claptrap. The best people to make the diagnosis would be Germans since they have recent experience of the disease.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Org implements internet and blogging strategies
For a young person considering a commitment for their university education to an educational institution which is considered inconsequential within the higher education academic community, the amount of anti-TMO information that is out there is a pretty big hurdle for the MUM/TMO to cross. If you do a few searches you'll find that the TMO policy is to have so many different positive websites that they'll push the negative ones out of the first page rankings. If you check google trends to see what the search activity is for Transcendental Meditation you see that a large proportion of it comes from Fairfield IA. So it looks like there're a few people in Fairfield doing regular searches of all mentions of Transcendental Meditation so they can respond. If you read the responses to various articles you can spot the planted comments, but the other comments show that the public are so easily taken in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's possible to plant completely false memories in 25% of humans
If these tests are correct, then after a few iterations of this up to 25% of the people listening to these talks are going to start believing that the theory is a fact. Ok then you've got a select group of 25% of the population who now believe something which you just made up is a real fact. Why stop there? If they believe X, which is false by the way, is true, then you can start using that as a fact and introduce another made up fact Y. Maybe a few will drop out but you'll be left with a core of true believers. Keep iterating and building on the facts. You'll lose people along the way but the ones that are left can be sold anything. Before you know it you can have people believing that a country which exists only in their imaginations can take over the world by building towers of invincibility where people dressed up as kings can zap the unbelievers with their coherence rays, and they'll keep giving you money to make it happen. I know it sounds crazy but it might work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 114-year-old nude on a wine label too much for Alabamans
Challenge : You must drive across Alabama without getting shot... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HPZpYKCpwY They nearly didn't make it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: This article caught my eye for a couple of reasons. First, I'm a fan of Belle Epoche art (also called Art Nouveau), and own an original copy of the 1895 poster that this wine label was based on. Second, the very idea that some uptight prig or prigs in Alabama thought this image showed a person posed in an immoral or sensuous manner just makes me roll my eyes. What is WRONG with Americans that they are so terrified of the human body...and by extension, their OWN bodies? Third, the very idea that these prigs thought that they had to ban the sale of the wine carrying this label TO ADULTS (who, after all, are the only people allowed buy wine in Alabama) is stores and restaurants is mind-boggling. Have Americans completely lost their minds? Winery's Nude Nymph Causes State Ban Winery says they will not be changing its label [storyImage1] For some wine lovers a nude nymph is artistic expression while for others it is offensive trash. A wine label showing a nude nymph is too much for Alabama http://www.nbclosangeles.com/topics?topic=Alabama 's liquor control agency, which has told restaurants and stores not to sell the product. The label on Cycles Gladiator wine, produced by Hahn Family Wines in Soledad http://www.nbclosangeles.com/topics?topic=Soledad , Calif., shows a vintage 1895 advertising poster for Cycles Gladiator bicycles. The French poster features a nude nymph flying beside a winged bicycle. Bob Martin http://www.nbclosangeles.com/topics?topic=Bob+Martin , staff attorney for the Alabama Alcoholic Beverage Control Board http://www.nbclosangeles.com/topics?topic=Alabama+Alcoholic+Beverage+Co\ ntrol+Board , said the board's license bureau rejected the label last year as inappropriate for sale in the state. Early this month, a citizen sent a bottle of the wine to the board's enforcement bureau to show it was being sold in stores, he said. The board then sent a letter to stores and restaurants reminding them that sale of the product is prohibited, he said Friday. Alabama's liquor regulations prohibit labels with a person posed in an immoral or sensuous manner, Martin said. Hahn President Bill Leigon said Friday the company had been selling its product in Alabama since 2006 until it ran into problems with the label. It is not pornographic, he said. There have been no problems in the other 49 states where it is sold, he said. He said the wine had remained available in Alabama after the label was rejected last year because he was unaware of the rejection. He said that when the ABC Board http://www.nbclosangeles.com/topics?topic=ABC+Board 's letter went out, all the wine was picked up from stores and restaurants. The problem with the label were first reported Friday by the Mobile Press-Register. Leigon could change the label and resume sales in Alabama, but he said he won't. It is a gorgeous piece of work, he said.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awkward Questions about Jesus
Anyway, if you want to see a really well-crafted bit of comedy, see the clip. It's a classic. Have you seen the others in the series? Satan is everywhere http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3xKS4EPzCANR=1 Is it just muslims that blow up planes? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-vybA54BF4feature=related No holds barred comedy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awkward Questions about Jesus
No holds barred comedy. OMG, OMG, OMG!! I can barely breath this is so funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al3CCSEl-fMNR=1 .. if it goes to hell it can have cheese on toast Followed by this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZdXr--4QAfeature=related In sickness#65279; or in health. May the force be with you..because you're worth it I think I'd die of laughter if I watched a whole show.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: To All: Here's an interesting proposition from John Hagelin. It appears that he got this idea from the vedic literatures. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84_kXpsDJEk John's problem is that he never strays outside his comfort zone. He only ever gives talks to non-physicists who don't know anything much about the subject matter. If he had the courage to make some presentations at physics conferences (if they'd accept his abstracts), then they'd rip him to pieces and he'd have to start thinking deeply about how to defend his ideas. Because no one ever questions him, then he never has to think, and because he never has to think then he just goes round and round on an endless loop of new-age TMO happy clappy speak. He's a bright guy, if he ever gets into a situation where he has to do some deep thinking he might get somewhere. But endless repetitions of flawed arguments to zombie audiences isn't going to get him there. I actually wonder if the renewed intensity of him making recordings of his lectures isn't due to some deep seated awareness that he's got things wrong and that he's trying to reconcile the cognitive dissonance by getting frantic about making people believe him. (cf When prophecies fail look it up). For a physicist the cognitive dissonance of believing in the ME and at the same time knowing that if the ME was real it would have to violate the principle of energy conservation must be pretty severe. I guess it helps him to stop thinking about it by standing up and talking to zombified audiences who just nod appreciatively and say this is such beautiful knowledge. He could almost convince himself he's right, until he gets a pencil and paper out and does some calculating. It'll be interesting to see how he handles whatever results come out of CERN in the next few years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam
FWIW, what he's saying in this clip isn't some weird idea he dreamed up himself. The quantum foam concept came from John Wheeler back in the 1950s. The notion that the bubbles give birth to universes was proposed by physicist Andrei Linde in the 1990s. It's one of several competing approaches in the field of theoretical physics. In that exotic context, it's mainstream. It isn't Hagelin's physics that physicists have a problem with; it's the connections he makes to consciousness and the Vedic literature. There are interesting issues which JH could make some headway with except that he never has to think. All he ever does is talk in superficial terms to people who don't know much about the subject. If you look closely at what he's saying then all he's doing is endlessly shuffling a pack of cards with various new agey or TMO speak sayings on them. He never gets to the point of being able to calculate something or prove something. On the other hand, there's a bunch of highly credentialed (non-TM) physicists who are convinced there are very strong connections to be made between physics principles and consciousness. That's not mainstream yet, but it's getting there. Yes but they present arguments in a very meticulous way appropriate for high level physicists. In any case, space time foam is done away with in string theory, so if he's arguing the case for space-time-foam being connected to TC then he's also inadvertently arguing that string theory is wrong and therefore his connections between Vedic literature and string theory are an exact correlation between VL and a theory which is wrong. But because no one ever argues with him he never has to stop and think these things through.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam
Hagelin is to science what Dan Brown is to literature. You rate him that highly?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam
John Hagelin was honored with a Kilby International Award for his work in particle physics leading to the development of super-string grand unified field theories. Which doesn't mean anything. He's now a salesman for an idea (the ME) which requires abandoning conservation of energy. I'll quote from Peter Woit's book about string theory Not even wrong where he mentions the case of Hagelin as an example of a bright guy gone mad Virtually every theoretical physicist in the world rejects all of this as nonsense and the work of a crackpot, but Hagelin's case shows that crackpots can have PhDs from the Harvard Physics Department ...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam
(Caveat: I'm not arguing that Hagelin's ideas connecting theoretical physics with TM are correct, only that Barry's ideas about Hagelin are INcorrect, especially his puerile analogy with Dan Brown.) All physicists would agree with Barry on that point.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Space/Time Foam
A bit like Satyendra Nath Bose was ripped into pieces? :D Oddly enough, the major purpose of the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland is to find the Higgs boson, a particle named for SN Bose who theoretically proposed it. Clarification:- Bosons are named after Bose. The hypothetical Higgs Boson is named after Peter Higgs who proposed it. Bosons are well known, the Higgs Boson has not yet been discovered. The idea that the LHC was built to find the Higgs may be the way the thing is presented to the public, but it's not the way it's seen amongst scientists. If the LHC doesn't find the Higgs then that would be bigger discovery than finding it because that would falsify a larger number of theories than finding it and therefore provide more information.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin on Consciousness
Note that he can only get his stuff published on YouTube.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Pandits at the Brahmasthan
Yes, it was very kind of him, wasn't it? Especially since the rest of the message gives absolutely no hint why he went to all that trouble. The idea is that if people are fobbed off with pictures of pundits (especially young kids, they're so cute) then they won't ask for independently audited accounts. Especially accounts for the last 10 years when a few hundred mill has gone to India and all there is to show for it is um, err, well um .. look here's some pictures of cute kids, if you don't give $200 a month then the kid gets it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum Theory of Reality
Don't git yourself hung up waiting on just a bozon or whatever. If the Higgs boson doesn't show up then super-symmetric particle theories will have to be junked. If super-symmetric theories are junked then so are super-symmetric string theories, including Hagelin's favorite variant. The implication would then be that there's an exact correlation between the structure of Vedic literature and a theory of physics which has turned out to be garbage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The hate of so called Buddhists towards Maharishi
The science seems genuine and urgent. Extreme measures evidently should be in order now for all community. I wish the TMmovement well and hope for the best. The time is now come to meditate collectively. The science is revealing and evident. The word seems is the key word here. It seems good until you look at it closely and then it isn't. This is especially the case with the research on the ME. It sounds OK only as long as you don't do any thinking or simple calculations, if you do then it falls to pieces. There is urgency, but not urgency to get large groups, that's not going to make any difference whatsoever. The urgency is to get new TM teachers who can work full time and earn a living. That would require a major cultural adjustment for the movement and there's not much sign of that happening, or even an awareness that it needs to happen. The cultural adjustment required to make things work is that the national organizations and especially international should stop being parasites and leave teachers alone to get on with it. If teachers can't afford to teach, then few will opt to become teachers, and if few opt to become teachers then the movement will die. Groups, towers of invincibility, regal courts are all things which get in the way of teachers being able to make a living. It's ruthlessly simple logic. Everything that stands in the way of letting teachers to earn a living through teaching has to be thrown overboard (especially Bevan, he's the major deadweight at the moment).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The hate of so called Buddhists towards Maharishi
Yeah, evidently the Hagelin, the TMmovement presently are in the middle of a larger cultural/spiritual revolution and these TM-haters are no better than counter-revolutionaries. You know what history does with counter-revolutionaries? Is something about a right to bare arms. snip These people are dangerous and should be dealt with directly. One of the dangers which people have to guard themselves against is getting so attached to an ideology that they start to believe that unbelievers should be dealt with directly. History records that when such ideas take over a group of people, e.g. communism, nazism, various forms of religious zealotry then the end is disaster. Not only that but the accumulated experience of the 20th century would make new entrants to TM become incredibly wary of talk along the lines of These people are dangerous and should be dealt with directly. when referring to dissidents. How many new TMers are going to get the hots for JH if he starts giving speeches about dealing directly with unbelievers. It turns on the old faithful and turns off new entrants. The bare fact of the matter is that on its own TM is good and people enjoy it and tell their friends. On its own it would spread very well. There isn't really very much can be done by an opposition to prevent it spreading. Except one thing.. They can work the believers into a frenzy so that they start to see opposition, spies and saboteurs everywhere and react with extreme paranoia and therefore make the organization repugnant to alert people. On its own the business of teaching TM would flourish, but it has a mostly parasitic organization living off of the basic business which sucks the life out of it and drives intelligent people away. During WWII the allies considered assassinating Hitler, but decided against it because he was such a terrible commander that it suited their purposes to leave him in charge. If he were removed then generals who knew what they were doing take over and make things much harder for the allies. I think if people believe that the CIA, or other agents are against the movement then they should consider that nothing the CIA or the TM-Free blog or anyone else against TM could be as bad as Emanuel Schiffgens in Berlin, or maintaining silly prices, or dressing people up as fantasy kings. No one needs to do anything against TM while these people are in charge, just leave them be and they'll fuck it up themselves without external assistance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM enrollment etc
Figures for students can go up and down according to political and economic circumstances. More revealing would be the number of new staff they're taking on. Since they have a very low academic credibility and are well known for not paying very well then I'd hazard a guess that they're slowly losing more than they're gaining. There would have to be a point where MUM simply can't continue for lack of staff. Of course many of the existing staff would work for nothing well past retirement so things could be kept going for a few decades using just the die hard TBs while they wait for the phase transition. I think the academic element will die out and the movement will just be left selling high priced courses and treatments to the few that can afford it. Except of course that even fewer of those would become teachers, so on present trends it'll die out in 30 to 40 years. Unless something happens to set the movement on a different track.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Strangely familiar descriptions
The article is about the SS -- der Schutzstaffel -- in Germany. Interesting parallels, eh? But it's probably just a coincidence... No it's not a coincidence. It's a well known and well studied phenomena which is a form of groupthink, look it up. You'll find that kind of thing manifesting in different forms in many places and many periods of history. The only thing that makes it very odd is that TM is supposed to counteract all the nastiness which goes along with that mode of thinking. Well it does to some extent, but not enough to make the TMO palatable. The kind of belief system that tells people that unbelievers must be dealt with directly (see other posts on this forum) has always been the source of misery. If people feel like that then I recommend watching Life of Brian as an antidote.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Strangely familiar descriptions
Check out Goebbels title, contained the words, 'public enlightenment'...strange? [Dr. Josef Goebbels, Gauleiter of Berlin and Minister for Propaganda and Public Enlightenment]. What a brilliant find, it's as it it were lifted straight from the pages of some movement pamphlet. Except it's rather brief, almost modest by TMO standards, it it were a real TMO position it would be Dr Bevan Morris, Minister for Propaganda and Public Enlightement and Commander in Chief of the Western Invincibility Forces, Gauleiter of The Tower of Invincibility, Nazgul in Chief, Intergalactic Supreme Vizier and so on for a few pages of pompous positions Did you know the Nazis had a program called Strength Through Joy. They were keen on invincibility as well you know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM enrollment etc
They (the mix of old conservative administration (Bevan's) and some pragmatic progressives who have not been found out yet) If that line means what I think it means, pragmatic progressives who haven't been thrown out yet then it pretty much sums up the problem. They're too much caught up in doctrinaire loyalty testing rather than intelligent thinking. At any other educational institution losing 60 to 70% of students in the first year would require a major rethink, firing the people responsible, getting some advice, dumping the programs that repel people and building on the programs that attract people. But at MUM, it's taken as read that what's really required is to be even more doctrinaire to boost coherence. The problem is that Bevan, Hagelin co have an ideology which says if we get more coherence then it will cause a phase transition and more people will come. The answer to all problems is more coherence rather than more sense. But due to a misunderstanding of coherence, they then try to be extremely doctrinaire which drives people away, and they haven't yet got their heads round it. From their point of view it's phase transition time and the problems are due not to a lack of elementary common sense, but some unstressing during the phase transition and when it's over then everything will be alright, people will fall at their feet to be bullied and bossed around by the supreme rulers of the galaxy. It'll take a long time for sense to seep in. When people are caught up in delusional thinking and slowly start to come out of it, there's a point at which they gain insight into their condition and realize that the ideas they've been so certain of are not real. For people outside the elite inner circle of the TMO insight comes a bit more easily because they have to interact with the real world, but for those like Bevan and Hagelin it's going to be a long slow march back to reality.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Orme-Johnson - pdf of published paper
I think someone has a bit of explaining to do. If CERN doesn't find evidence for a UF then someone is going to have a lot of explaining to do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: As I suggested earlier in the week, I consider the Harry Potter books to be *easily* on the same footing as the Vedas. The films a little less so, except for the most recent one, because it contains something that the Vedic Rishis never dreamed of in their wildest cognitions, and would be horrified to even attempt -- humor. The Vedic Rishis would consider humor beneath them; I tend to con- sider it beyond their grasp, and value them and their cognitions accordingly. Itihasa means the final laughter
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM enrollment etc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Bevan is a fanatic, John is not. John just has to assume more power. John is certainly more mild in temperament but he is still hooked on the ideology of more coherence rather than more elementary common sense as a solution to the problems facing MUM. The idea that someone who wears a crown and describes himself as .. at the pinnacle of achievement amongst the elite cadre of scientists working to complete Einstein's vision is not a fanatic requires a redefinition of the word fanatic. He's way out there on Planet Fantasy. The power balance between Bevan Hagelin is interesting, Bevan has less support from the people below him than does Hagelin and few would be sad if he went. AFAIK it's the faction around Bevan which is the main roadblock to more sensible prices. But Hagelin's authority derives to some degree from his supposed grasp of physics (which most physicists would question), and in particular his favorite brand of string theory. If evidence for a unified field doesn't show up at CERN or Fermilab and the rest of the scientific community concludes that there is no unified field theory then he'll have to do some fast thinking and his authority might be damaged.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Level of Intelligence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: When our awareness is open to this level of intelligence within ourself then the organizing power of Natural Law is spontaneously awake in our intellect, mind, senses, and behaviour, and all our thought, speech, and action spontaneously flows in the evolutionary direction of Natural Law. Maharishi on perfect management Given the management of the TMO over the last decades, the name Maharishi University of Management would appear to be an oxymoron; rather like the Dick Cheney Institute of Business Ethics or the Richard Nixon School of Moral Philosophy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of 2012....
The original prediction, has to do with our earthly planet, aligning with the center of our Milky Way Galaxy, Here's how to think about that statement. Get a wheel, say a bicycle wheel, now mark one point with some chalk, then turn the wheel round. Then ask yourself the question is there any point on the circle where this chalk mark is more aligned with the wheel hub than any other point You ought to see that no point on the rim is more aligned with the hub than any other point. (If not keep trying until the light goes on). The solar system and the earth with it orbits the centre of the galaxy at a roughly constant distance. There is no point at which it's more aligned with the centre than any other point. So the whole idea of this planet becoming more aligned with the centre of the Milky Way Galaxy in 2012 is completely nuts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Popular Maharishi Ayurveda mercury and heavy metals medicine
Here's some of the metals in it: Swaran Siddha Makaradwaj (mercury and sulphur) Lauh bhasma (oxidized iron, a.k.a. rust) Abhrak bhasma (aluminum/potassium) Vanga bhasma (tin) Serve with EDTA infusion; stirred, not shaken... So when people refer to the inner circle as being as mad as hatters they're really quite accurate. The term as mad as a hatter (cv Alice in Wonderland) came from a time when hatters routinely used mercury for something to do with hats, got mercury poisoning and went mad. It explains a lot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello from the UK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, davidpalmer108 davidpalmer...@... wrote: I came across your group by chance the other day, and have been trying to catch up with your insane banter ever since. How you treated that poor lady who thanked you for letting her join was quite scandalous, but I guess one must expect a tough initiation from a group like yours. I agree, the level of rudeness in this group is nearly as embarrassing as the level of pomposity and obsequity in the official TMO. Post some intelligent comments and help to improve the signal to noise ratio.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
1) The Rig Veda, our oldest human text, describes the geography of Northern India, including the seven rivers. 2)The Vedic Calendar was based on astronomical data, which places the Vedic Culture in Northern India. So it's clearly not the cognition of the mechanics of creation then, unless it's only about the creation of one small bit of the earth's surface. I guess the TMO will be trying to match the geography of northern india to the structure of unified field theories to prove that india is the fount of all civilization.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two links to make TM TBs feel better
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: 1. The TM organization is NOT the most laughable spiritual organization on the planet, or the most prone to moodmaking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=USv=-6KGZ4UQjgc http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=USv=-6KGZ4UQjgc 2. There *is* an explanation for Scorpion Nation -- http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3146/2884652691_580ccf0586_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3146/2884652691_580ccf0586_o.jpg [http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3146/2884652691_580ccf0586_o.jpg] I seem to remember YF in the early days was like that.
