[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Yow, that's a lot of chocolate! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I was just at TDs too - I took a chance and discovered their house brand Reposado is not bad, and they hooked me again with the 3-pack of milk chocolate bars at the checkout. Mostly its the restock on Oregon Chai/regular, (hard core, at least a dozen) that brings me in though. I'm a fool for their pound plus 72% chocolate bars. I consider it health food and a necessary daily vitamin.Their whole wheat hard pasta rocks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Trader Joes came through again, no yagya needed! But I always do get a wallet spanking when I hit the check out there. I only went for the Pfeffernuesse because they were out of Lebkuchen. If there was a yagya for that I might consider the magic route to fulfillment of desire. Some year I need to nail down that recipe and liberate myself. I do make a badass Stollen this time of year, even my German friend gives it the salute. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Long as I get my pfeffernuesse cookies I'll keep my mouth shut. Certainly, you can keep your mouth shut, but it would be best to open your wallet and get a Maharishi Pfeffernuesse Cookie Yagya to maximize the fulfillment of your desire.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Sorry, I only give out my shroud to those who admit reading my posts, not cowards like...you.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It isn't that it is outfoxing science. It is a work of art by any standard and it isn't cool to destroy it because of a superstition. Science came through on dating it, so unless Jesus lived in the middle ages, it isn't him. Exactly. Fascinating that some in this discussion have blotted that fact out. The Shroud of Turin was a fake in the middle ages, and it's one now. How the fake was manufactured is rather a moot point. One can claim anything. Even that one is or was at one time enlightened. Claiming don't make it so. We need cold, hard, scientific proof, relics like the Shroud of Robin or the Shroud of Ravi or the Shroud of Jimbo. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Ok - well I'll leave your cynicism to you, as well as the whole soap-boxy stand about relics, and continue to enjoy the shroud as a mystery that has confounded scientists for years. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I don't know who's image is on the shroud, though I find it amazing that such a thing persists in outfoxing the most delicate and sophisticated analysis our physical science can produce. It isn't that it is outfoxing science. It is a work of art by any standard and it isn't cool to destroy it because of a superstition. Science came through on dating it, so unless Jesus lived in the middle ages, it isn't him. Its interesting from a perspective of what researchers continue to find out about the cloth itself and its charismatic image. Who cares if someone says its Jesus? Could be, but who cares? Not really the issue. I think it really is. If it wasn't being protected as a relic they would be able to take enough samples to answer more questions. Superstition is protecting this work of art and it is being treated differently because of that. It is really ONLY the superstition connection that makes it a matter of interest at all. That period of history was full of relics that just didn't get preserved to make it to our time. They still cannot identify how the image was made. That is mysterious and lively and interesting to me. Whether or not such an image is Jesus is impossible to prove, and far less interesting. The whole idea fascinates me in a different way. It is a window into human beliefs. Since it came from an age of relics being sold, it has the mystical credibility of a sideshow three headed dog in a bottle of formaldehyde in the back of a carnival tent. Step right up folks, Jesus' burial shroud, with his image as clear as a painting of Elvis on velvet, step right up. I saw some saint's relics in a monastery I visited. Some fingernails and cloth of some saints. Leftovers from the time the rich paid for indulgences to get out of purgatory quicker. This shroud has a context of the flim flamery of an era of relics sold for cash. It is a version of Jesus on the toast sold on ebay. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Excellent example of the misuse of science to promote a magical agenda. These guys didn't examine the shroud at Oxford. What they are doing is: The results show a short and intense burst of UV directional radiation can colour a linen cloth so as to reproduce many of the peculiar characteristics of the body image on the Shroud of Turin,' the scientists said OK, so lets take them at their word. Some of the pecular charactoristics of the image on the shroud can be duplicated by another process only found today. Real scientists might conclude that since ths technology was not around either in Jesus' time or when the Shroud was probably made, 12601390 AD, then this was probably not how the shroud was made. Oh wait, its Christmas time. Sorry. The need for Christmas miracle stories to feed the hoards trumps all! Ok, I'm onboard now. We don't know what it was that caused the image... so it was aliens. No sorry, it was magic Jesus. Jesus was magic and made a magic cloth with his magicness and now we have evidence of magical things happening at this magical time of the year. Long as I get my pfeffernuesse cookies I'll keep my mouth shut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: There's probably another explanation. Maybe the body naturally releases chemicals or certain auras after death that appear to come from ultraviolet light. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: The person under the shroud created light tuned to that frequency, leaving its impression on the fabric. Sounds like a sidha at work.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Scientists from Italy say the image was created by ultraviolet light. How can that be? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/scientists-turin-shroud-image-created-ultraviolet-lasers-182107870.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Hi Robin, Thank you for your reply. No problem at all disagreeing with me. Anyway, I read your words and I still remain unconvinced of your current waking state. Not a big deal, and I can see how you would want to erase that previous state of UC from your awareness, in addition to the entire concept. On the other hand, through your writing, you come across as open, friendly, present, humble, approachable and stable, all hallmarks of someone who approaches the world as if they have more in common with it, and those in it, than not. So there is an inconsistency to me between (1) this apparent massive internal dis-integration and reconstruction of the MZ, negating UC, enlightenment and Eastern culture(?), which sounds like it is still very much in progress, and (2) your demeanor, which I described above. Not to say that both things cannot be expressed, one internally, the other externally, at the same time. They are, and yet that means I appreciate your character more than your particular quest, although I enjoy watching it unfold. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hi Robin, You said, I certainly have had the experience of acting radically differently and experiencing myself and reality radically differently, from one second before I 'slipped into Unity' in September 1976, and one second after this event. I don't know if you read my earlier comment on this event in your life, but I am just not buying it. Not, as many would, challenging your previous experience of Unity (implying enlightenment), but that you have somehow lost it. All I can see that you lost is a context that you derived your values from for awhile, but the non-Unity Robin I don't see. The Robin I see is here and present and as available through his writing as I am to myself. Like I said before, there is a dynamism, a liveliness, a reality to your stuff that cannot be manufactured or parroted. So, I'd ask you to list please just three areas in which you no longer have the ability to become One with your environment, and those you interact with, hence your fall from Unity? Dear whynotnow: It is not that easy contemplating disagreeing with you when you have written so appreciatively and, I believe, discerningly about my posts. I feel the naturalness of your way of describing the world from your own point of view, and I can quite understand how I may seem not quite believable to you when I denounce the validity of my enlightenment, and attempt to convince others that I am through with it; that Unity Consciousness has gone right out of meforever. Rather than just list three areas in which [I] no longer have the ability to become One with [my] environment, and those [I] interact with, I am going to give you ten. 1. The actual experience of being unified with the whole universe has completely disappeared from my apprehension of reality. I am distinct and separate from and in some sense find that I exist not with respect to what is not intrinsically made of Robinwhich is everything external to me. In Unity Consciousness I not only saw the Self in everything, I was that Self, and the Oneness was as obvious to me as the air, my breathing, the sense of gravity. I was as unified with the entire cosmos as I had been, before, held completely inside the boundaries of my own individual self. 2. The sense of oneness brought with it the experience of having my own individuality (since it was subsumed inside that oneness) under the control of something other than my own free will. Spontaneous right action as Maharishi called it. Well, it certainly was spontaneous, but the real kicker here, whynotnow, was that I could not make decisions from within any primary sense of my own individuality: my individuality in a very real and empirical sense belonged to the universe, belonged to creative intelligence. My own intelligence, my own will, it was suddenly bound up with and obedient to the intelligence and will which seemed to be running the whole universe. 3. My life was not my own. I was thrust into a context of action which was not prefigured or foreshadowed in anything I had ever known being Robin before Unity Consciousness. This is what was so terrifying for me, even though at the time, I rejoiced in this imprisonment, because performing action as the enlightened man entailed a sense of cosmic freedom, the freedom to do the will of nature, which was so much bigger than I was, and presumably had an agenda which encompassed a little more than was encompassed before my ego was absorbed into the beingness at the basis of all of creation. When there was only the sense of my own personhood. 4. I did things, whynotnow, that I could never conceive of doing prior to going into Unity Consciousnessand the really extraordinary
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[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Oh just shut up and go away, you slug. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Such a fascination with excrement, Vajihad. You oughta integrate that base chaktra, otherwise you just sound like a shit head. Another of the aphorisms of Baba Jim Flanegin, the self-proclaimed Enlightened guy. They fall like snowflakes from his coprophagous mouth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
An example of being Barry'd Alive. All I can say dude, is that the TM critics ain't having much fun these days, are they? LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: The deal is, Vajihad, snip I'll have to ask Judy, if her invention of Vajihad was inspired by my use of 'Love Jihad'? I will now refer to Vaj as Vaji or better Vaj Ji. I think it has to do with the tendency to interpret any criticism of TM or TMers and the weirdass things they believe to be not only true but Truth as some kind of ill-intentioned jihad. Some can hear criticism of a belief system and under- stand it to be what it is, a criticism of a belief system. Others feel the need to take it personally, as if it were an attack on them. I've never really understood the phenomenon myself, so I can't explain it to you. I'm only reporting on how things seem to me. From my point of view, if there is a jihad going on on FFL, it has to do with TMers attempting to demonize anyone who challenges their sophomoric belief system. Denizens of FFL have gotten so used to this that they actually think it's normal. My feeling is that this is because they don't get out much, and are so used to talking only within echo chambers in which every- one shares their beliefs that they don't know how to act when they encounter different ones.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who Wants To Be In Charge of the Bunting
Ravi is not coming back. Settle down please. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I'm sorry Jim. A composition. A musical composition would certainly be in order. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: for Ravi's return. MZ, I bet you can compose a nice poem. (This is business, so reply if you'll do this) Emily, maybe you can get some nice scented candles. I think I'd recommend patchouli scent. Judy, maybe you can find some nice decorations. Bob how bout a witty little skit. I wonder if he'll come on nice like, with a friendly Fuck You Bitches, or if he'll start right in with recommending sex acts. At any rate it's only a few short 48 hours when we may be graced with his presents, (intended) again. Love, Ray
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
The name suits him really well, since he has expressed his dislike for Muslims. A perfect name for a faux Buddhist, Vajihad. Yours oughta be New Morning. Whatcha think? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: The deal is, Vajihad, snip I'll have to ask Judy, if her invention of Vajihad was inspired by my use of 'Love Jihad'? I will now refer to Vaj as Vaji or better Vaj Ji.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes video
Good for you! I worked as a senior manager for years in tech companies, and am now out of management and contracting for the government. A lot of rules and regs, but almost a complete absence of BS - it is wonderful and creative, and I enjoy developing and meeting objectives that make sense. All the best on your new life! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: The video is perfect for me.  I've never seen it either.  I'm coming up on my one year anniversary of leaving corporate - it was soo perfect and such a perfect song to accompany.  Yes, I know cassettes.  Bob keeps posting songs I have on cassette from my life prior to my life. From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 7:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yes video  Thanks for finding the video to one of my past favorites! I had this on cassette (remember those?), and the earlier Yes LPs - loved the artwork. The video is not what I expected after all these years, but then again I didn't write the song. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I found the perfect video..the end of the corporate experience...sorry, it's so perfect, I have to post it.  My PTSD therapy starts in January.  There is hope at the very very end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9goxeGdxi8feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
I don't get off on eastern spiritual superlatives, sorry. In any case, you have the same propensity for fence sitting an issue and abstractly equivocating everything with everything that nm did. He also used to stick up for Vajihad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: A perfect name for a faux Buddhist, Vajihad. Yours oughta be New Morning. Whatcha think? I already gave you my answer, but if you want to stick to that, I don't care if you call me new morning or new mourning, Judy seems to think I was bluescout, maybe they were the same, maybe not, I am open to be anybody. ;-) But don't forget the Ji. You can also call me Ji Ji, or Ji Ji 108, that would be appropriate, I think.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cassandra Wilson - I can't stand the rain
The opening scene is very Pacific Northwest. I lived in Oregon in my early twenties. Beautiful - climbed Mt. Hood once with three friends - not to the top, but up high enough (10K') that when I looked out over the mountain range, it was all snow and peaks as far as the eye could see. Also camped out near the Three Sisters once, south of Mt. Hood. Mid-July at 6,000 feet and it began snowing! Was planning to stay a month - left after three days. I did love the three months of bright blue sky summer in the Willamette Valley. Last time I was in the PNW, I taught tech in Bellevue, WA in the early 90's, with Mt. Ranier in-your-face. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Not very festive, but tomorrow's the turning point. She's got a unique voice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2BU6o0D5AAfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cassandra Wilson - I can't stand the rain
You too! - I just saw my daughter for lunch today, and its cookie baking with the family tomorrow - goes well with a frosty bottle o' bubbly!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Yeah, it is a totally appropo video.  Last year I thought it would never stop raining.  Today, its cold and sunny (emphasis on sunny)...amazing.  The hiking/backpacking here is great, but there is always the weather.  LOL on left after three days - we've packed out in the pouring rain and amidst legions of mosquitos numbers of times.  Still great country though.  I'm off to finish the holiday prep.  Have a good one. From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cassandra Wilson - I can't stand the rain  The opening scene is very Pacific Northwest. I lived in Oregon in my early twenties. Beautiful - climbed Mt. Hood once with three friends - not to the top, but up high enough (10K') that when I looked out over the mountain range, it was all snow and peaks as far as the eye could see. Also camped out near the Three Sisters once, south of Mt. Hood. Mid-July at 6,000 feet and it began snowing! Was planning to stay a month - left after three days. I did love the three months of bright blue sky summer in the Willamette Valley. Last time I was in the PNW, I taught tech in Bellevue, WA in the early 90's, with Mt. Ranier in-your-face. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Not very festive, but tomorrow's the turning point.  She's got a unique voice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2BU6o0D5AAfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
The person under the shroud created light tuned to that frequency, leaving its impression on the fabric. Sounds like a sidha at work.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Scientists from Italy say the image was created by ultraviolet light. How can that be? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/scientists-turin-shroud-image-created-ultraviolet-lasers-182107870.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Third Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Hi Robin, You said, I certainly have had the experience of acting radically differently and experiencing myself and reality radically differently, from one second before I 'slipped into Unity' in September 1976, and one second after this event. I don't know if you read my earlier comment on this event in your life, but I am just not buying it. Not, as many would, challenging your previous experience of Unity (implying enlightenment), but that you have somehow lost it. All I can see that you lost is a context that you derived your values from for awhile, but the non-Unity Robin I don't see. The Robin I see is here and present and as available through his writing as I am to myself. Like I said before, there is a dynamism, a liveliness, a reality to your stuff that cannot be manufactured or parroted. So, I'd ask you to list please just three areas in which you no longer have the ability to become One with your environment, and those you interact with, hence your fall from Unity? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: An Open Letter to Ravi Chivukula Dear Ravi, I have been intending to write this third open letter to you for some time now, but something has balked me. I have entertained some interesting and seemingly meaningful theories, intuitions about youin the aim of catching at what you are all aboutbut none of them has made it. And I am asking myself the question: Why is it taking you so long, Robin, to write back to Ravi, and to pursue this investigation to its end: Who is Ravi Chivukula and what is he all about? I have decided not to proceed with any fixed idea or specific orientation; I am just, as it were, going to try to find out where to go with thisaddressing Ravi Chivukulaas I enter into the act: writing again to Ravi Chivukula: by my account my 5th analysis. This one better be better than the first four. So, here goes: I think you are in possession of a quite extraordinary gift, Ravi. What is that gift? a certain spontaneous audacity and unconditioned perceptiveness which can rock the psyche of anyone not prepared to be ambushed by 'the truth'. What you say about certain people is not, in my estimation, the whole truth; not nearly so. But it certainly is *the* truth that is the key to seeing how they are conducting their lives within a certain fixed mode which insulates them from reality and keeps them from a certain kind of self-knowledge. I think, for the most part, they are unconscious of their defensiveness in the face of your radical ambushes of their boundaries and their privatized sense of selfhood. But the accuracyif I may judge by the uncontrollable responsesof your violent and unasked for apercus is indisputable: there is altogether too much of The lady doth protest too much to believe that you are off in your unorthodox and unanticipated transgressions. When you go at someone in your inimitable way, a person has no means, really, of refuting you: I notice this, because although you obviously generate tremendous reaction and retaliation, I never have sensed that any given individual is actually honestly and innocently experiencing that you are wrong where you have struck them where they are most vulnerable (vulnerable here means some susceptibility to self-deception, where they feel they have to keep reality at bay). So, the first thing I need to make clear is that, for all your antics and drama and outrageousnessand *transgressiveness*you are, after all, from where you say these things about people, totally quiescent and composed inside of you: the proverbially eye of the hurricane. Of course people are compelled (how could they not be?) to diagnose you as pathological, as frail, as unstableand certainly from what I gather from your past, they have some justifiable basis to proceed under this assumption;however, when it really comes down to refuting you, of facing you, of taking you on where you are coming from, they utterly fail. At least this is the impression I have taken away from this most recent episode, which led to your ostracism and opprobrium. There was very much a vigilante mind-set here at FFL in the attempt to shut you up. Not that you had not violated the first person ontology of each of your victims; of course you had. That was your intention. But was that violation a violation of the truth, of the the actual integrity of that person? I think not, even as I would never consider doing what you did; and I wonder in your inspiration to do it what purpose it fulfilled. After all, merely telling the truth about someone, what good can that do unless there is some remedial principle that is offered at the same time? But I suppose that is not in your 'dharma' [:-)]. I could not, however, fail to notice the gracious and sincere way in which you apologized to certain persons whom you had sabotaged: and the
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Evolution=Barry Criticizes TM=Barry Gets His Butt Kicked=Barry Only Criticizes Movies Now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I was hoping that Enlightened might be FFL on TV which would make for either a great comedy or an insane thriller. But that didn't happen. Have no fear. Watch Salvation Boulevard instead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYiYHfciJwE Greg Kennear plays Carl, a former Deadhead who now is a member of a megachurch led by Pastor Dan (Pierce Brosnan). All goes well (if you can call a boring, brainwashed life going well) until Pastor Dan accidentally shoots the atheist author he was just debating, and then decides to blame it all on Carl. The cult language is Christian, not Neo-Hindu, but the rap is the same and the mindset is the same. To hear the church members both lay into Carl and defend Pastor Dan -- even the ones who know that he did the shooting -- is in many ways a Fairfield Life deja vu experience...and interestingly it's both a comedy *and* an insane thriller. :-) You'd probably like it. Cool performances by Jennifer Connolly and Marisa Tomei, too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
Could be, although if that were the case and common, seems like the S of T wouldn't be a big deal? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: There's probably another explanation. Maybe the body naturally releases chemicals or certain auras after death that appear to come from ultraviolet light. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: The person under the shroud created light tuned to that frequency, leaving its impression on the fabric. Sounds like a sidha at work.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Scientists from Italy say the image was created by ultraviolet light. How can that be? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/scientists-turin-shroud-image-created-ultraviolet-lasers-182107870.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
I don't know who's image is on the shroud, though I find it amazing that such a thing persists in outfoxing the most delicate and sophisticated analysis our physical science can produce. Its interesting from a perspective of what researchers continue to find out about the cloth itself and its charismatic image. Who cares if someone says its Jesus? Could be, but who cares? Not really the issue. They still cannot identify how the image was made. That is mysterious and lively and interesting to me. Whether or not such an image is Jesus is impossible to prove, and far less interesting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Excellent example of the misuse of science to promote a magical agenda. These guys didn't examine the shroud at Oxford. What they are doing is: The results show a short and intense burst of UV directional radiation can colour a linen cloth so as to reproduce many of the peculiar characteristics of the body image on the Shroud of Turin,' the scientists said OK, so lets take them at their word. Some of the pecular charactoristics of the image on the shroud can be duplicated by another process only found today. Real scientists might conclude that since ths technology was not around either in Jesus' time or when the Shroud was probably made, 12601390 AD, then this was probably not how the shroud was made. Oh wait, its Christmas time. Sorry. The need for Christmas miracle stories to feed the hoards trumps all! Ok, I'm onboard now. We don't know what it was that caused the image... so it was aliens. No sorry, it was magic Jesus. Jesus was magic and made a magic cloth with his magicness and now we have evidence of magical things happening at this magical time of the year. Long as I get my pfeffernuesse cookies I'll keep my mouth shut. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: There's probably another explanation. Maybe the body naturally releases chemicals or certain auras after death that appear to come from ultraviolet light. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: The person under the shroud created light tuned to that frequency, leaving its impression on the fabric. Sounds like a sidha at work.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Scientists from Italy say the image was created by ultraviolet light. How can that be? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/scientists-turin-shroud-image-created-ultraviolet-lasers-182107870.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Image
I was just at TDs too - I took a chance and discovered their house brand Reposado is not bad, and they hooked me again with the 3-pack of milk chocolate bars at the checkout. Mostly its the restock on Oregon Chai/regular, (hard core, at least a dozen) that brings me in though. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Trader Joes came through again, no yagya needed! But I always do get a wallet spanking when I hit the check out there. I only went for the Pfeffernuesse because they were out of Lebkuchen. If there was a yagya for that I might consider the magic route to fulfillment of desire. Some year I need to nail down that recipe and liberate myself. I do make a badass Stollen this time of year, even my German friend gives it the salute. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Long as I get my pfeffernuesse cookies I'll keep my mouth shut. Certainly, you can keep your mouth shut, but it would be best to open your wallet and get a Maharishi Pfeffernuesse Cookie Yagya to maximize the fulfillment of your desire.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do more, accomplish more
Does Karuna (kindness) spread from you sitting in your room in the dark and watching movies endlessly? Yeah, you are the perfect example of why we don't need a Maharishi Effect. Thanks a lot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Occasionally I poke fun at those who have invested heavily in butt-bouncing for world peace, *not* because I wouldn't like to see a nicer world, but because I don't believe in the basic premise of the ME. It seems based on Maharishi's prescription for lazy living, Do less and accomplish more; do nothing and accomplish everything. Color me unconvinced that doing nothing has ever accomplished anything. Everything starts with action, even if it's as simple as helping someone up. Karuna (kindness) spreads from actually *doing* something. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwAYpLVyeFU
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newt in HyVee
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: Who exactly are these Illuminati that might round us all up? They're alien, shape-shifting, reptilian, Jewish bankers. All of 'em look like Alan Greenspan?!
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
There was also a rumor going around that you kick dogs and mug old ladies. Any truth to that, Vajihad? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:39 PM, maskedzebra wrote: But thanks. Yeah, Catholicism is not for me; Jesus either. But the goddamn thing is: *they would have been* had I lived before the Second World War. Let me guess, living the existential life-style? What was that book your uncle gave you? In any event - you have to realize, at one time, this list was told in no uncertain terms: the word from the TMO was clear, RWC had gone insane and then committed suicide. It was and is actually good to know you are still alive and .relatively OK. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Such a fascination with excrement, Vajihad. You oughta integrate that base chaktra, otherwise you just sound like a shit head. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 21, 2011, at 5:58 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: There was also a rumor going around that you kick dogs and mug old ladies. Any truth to that, Vajihad? None, Rim-job Jim.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
The deal is, Vajihad, you have not exactly been forthcoming about your TM experience, dodging and weaving for years. Then Robin joins FFL, and all of your nastiness, your impotence, and your arrogance that you used to delight spraying about regarding Maharishi has now found a new target. Its pathological. Your Buddhist-Buddy-Barry has already said he enjoys the sadistic delight of poking malicious fun at others with spiritual beliefs contrary to his. That your excuse too? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:33 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: otherwise you just sound like a shit head. Yeah, so maybe my chaktras aren't aligned.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
You have an odd way of showing your concern and love. This all sounds like a recording to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 21, 2011, at 8:19 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: The deal is, Vajihad, you have not exactly been forthcoming about your TM experience, dodging and weaving for years. Then Robin joins FFL, and all of your nastiness, your impotence, and your arrogance that you used to delight spraying about regarding Maharishi has now found a new target. Its pathological. Your Buddhist-Buddy-Barry has already said he enjoys the sadistic delight of poking malicious fun at others with spiritual beliefs contrary to his. That your excuse too? I guess one of my faults is WNN that once I know a person, any person, there's a part of me that 'keeps track' of that person - should anything happen to them. If 'something' does, and I can be there to help that person - I'm there - that's just the way I am. I'd suspect, Barry's pretty much the same honestly. Probably moreso, as he's more mobile than I am. All the days we've been together All the days we've been apart Add up to a bunch of nothing If I'm not still in your heart I never want you to be Just a page in my history Someone I used to love. ( )
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes video
Thanks for finding the video to one of my past favorites! I had this on cassette (remember those?), and the earlier Yes LPs - loved the artwork. The video is not what I expected after all these years, but then again I didn't write the song. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I found the perfect video..the end of the corporate experience...sorry, it's so perfect, I have to post it. My PTSD therapy starts in January. There is hope at the very very end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9goxeGdxi8feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Do more, accomplish more
How can he do that?! He'll be the turkey! [Ta-ding] Thank you, I'll be here all week - try the veal, I hear its delicious! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: This year we planned ahead and ordered a turkey ahead of time, so we'll have one this year. Will you be saying the grace?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV yawns, plus TV kudos
Yeah, in the broader sense Vaj is always here to put down TM and Maharishi. It is his core identity. Barry's too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: What you say is probably true for Barry who is a prima-donna and a virtual peacock. But old Saffy boy seems to have much larger agenda. To show us the current condition of Robin the TM poster boy ie the net result of TM and MMY. From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TV yawns, plus TV kudos --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Seems like you are bullying Robin because he has a more public past than you do. What a coward. Shame on you. You hide, and lob bags of poo at him. In full sight of us all. That religion you are chained to must give you much comfort - just don't rub your wrists so much - it gives away your slavery. You know, it strikes me as so odd, because Robin's current animus toward TM and MMY is so similar in many respects to what Vaj has been preaching here for years, you'd think Vaj would be cheering Robin on, thrilled to have him as an ally. There has to be something else going on to explain this vendetta. It can't be just that Robin doesn't believe Vaj's claims to have been a TMer and TM teacher; Vaj has lobbed spitballs at worst toward the rest of us who doubt his TM status, whereas Robin gets nuclear missiles. I think there must be some acute thirst for vengeance at work, perhaps for a personal injury he feels Robin did him, or someone he's close to, in the past. That Robin has repudiated and essentially apologized for, regretted, and repented of the damage he did folks in what he considers his enlightened period isn't enough for Vaj. Vaj seems to feel he needs to not just bring Robin down but grind him into the dirt, destroy him as a human being. What I honestly think? 1) It is a dodge for Vaj, getting all excited about MZ, so he doesn't have to deal with his own shit, whatever that may be. 2) There is something fundamentally truthful in what MZ says, such that it irritates the hell out of Vaj. 3) With MZ around, Vaj can't waltz in anymore, mystically spouting his spiritual-sounding nonsense and have anyone care. Same with Barry - notice how they both hate MZ? Its visceral. He took their stage away without trying, and now all they can do is snarl under it, one feigning spiritual authority, the other, indifference.
[FairfieldLife] Yosemite Highwire
http://tinyurl.com/89ob2g2
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time Flies but not Beetles!
Yes! These are breathtaking and beautiful! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Terrific find, card, thanks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: http://irinawerning.com/bttf2/back-to-the-future-2-2011/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
When you first started posting, I thought what the hell is this!? Then, a while ago I began reading every word of yours, the context you create, the reality coming through, the innocence, and the world of Robin became known, with immediacy, not compared to anything else, just you. Others write about movies (sorry, couldn't resist) and stuff, yet you delve into awareness in a comprehensible way, weave a succinct explanation with no loose threads. Very skillful Robin. Which is not to say I am in agreement with everything you address, but neither do I feel I have to be, to get the genuineness of what you post. in fact, it makes you more real as a person, the ways in which you may cite your reality in some ways very different from the way I see reality, or perhaps just areas that need some filling in over time. Nonetheless, there is time, and I always have the sense from you that you will always attempt to give more of your self than you receive in return. Maybe its a Canadian thing, eh? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Judy: Robin, I'm snipping all the Vaj is-he-or-is-he-not stuff. I think most everything that needs to be said on that score this time around (it's come up on a regular basis for many years) has been said, at least to my satisfaction. Maybe something new and different will crop up next time, and we'll take it for another spin... Robin2: Agreed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: snip Robin: I was a little concerned about learning that I am a perplexing critter and that it is not surprising that you throw people for a loop sometimes. I would hope that if this is so, it does not occur when I am obviously attempting to be the opposite of this. That would be my fault clear and simple. Judy: Cheese, Robin, that wasn't intended as a criticism. You're a very unusual, complicated dude with a very unusual, complicated history. And from what you've said, you haven't been in communication with the TMer/former-TMer community for many years while you were putting yourself back together. Robin2: I understand perfectly now the context within which you were addressing my Perplexing Critterness. And I admit to having a high level of PC. Judy: You're not like anybody we've had on this group, at least since I joined it in 2005. TM apostates are a dime a dozen around here, but former cult leaders who used to be in Unity Consciousness just don't tend to drop by FFL too often, you know? Many of us have never encountered anybody with anything like your resume, so to speak, in our lives. Robin2: I am glad, Judy, you have taken notice of my very impressive resume :-) You should see me in person. I am even more fascinating than my resume. But as Mrs Bob Price says [about her husband]: a little long in the tooth. Judy: No matter how much effort you put into making yourself transparently clear, at times it's going to go over/under/ to one side of some folks' heads. I've followed your posts as closely as, if not more closely than, anyone here, and *I'm* not always sure where you're at. (I've been wildly curious about you ever since I first saw you discussed on alt.meditation.transcendental back in the late '90s, so I was tickled when you showed up on FFL.) Robin2: Don't worry: I know the close-reading you give to all my posts. And I appreciate this. Knowing there is an intelligence such as yours at FFL is something I compute each time I post there. As in: Judy is going to read this, Robin: is it up to snuff? I also realize that I am not from time to time understood quite the way I would wish to be understood. And certainly if you want to really get at what I am saying you have to go through (sometimes) a rather dense, convoluted and labyrinthine processbut it's worth it when you put the effort in, right! :-) I have a certain experience while I am articulating my own thoughts about something; that experience is the context within which I make my arguments or narrate my story. And for me, Judy, that experience means staying as near to reality as I can at all times, never losing this contact point with what is most real for me. Never separating myself out from reality such that what I am saying is mere opinion (or at least felt by *me* to be just opining). I may be wrong; but for me posting at FFL does carry with it this responsibility to be always alert to the ontological context within which I believe I exist. In this sense you could say that all my posts at FFL are 100% existential. Interesting that I got your attention even before I came onto FFL. I will try my best not to disappoint your original experience of being wildly curiousalthough I don't think those who know me in person necessarily believe I live up to the hypethe hype based on
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yosemite Highwire
um...not very saatvic, Nabs...AND EXCELLENT! Looks like the further incarnation of David Bowie plugged into several hundred amps! Thanks for sharing this, I really enjoyed it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/89ob2g2 Take a look at this view of the Yosemite by master american photographer Ansel Adams: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wrYoPBHF9I And when you blown your mind with these masterly photogtaphs, fire up your nervoussystem with this; (Do turn your volume to the MAX): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmin5WkOuPw
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
He just comes across as real, and he writes well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Nice laudation of Robin. However, you overlook his proclivity to construct his replies so that he only addresses his own notions. That is, if he answers at all. This is the definition of a monologue. In this way, Robin has become the reverse mirror-image of Vag the Defier an amusing correspondence for those who have witnessed their posting love-fest this month. Vag has something to conceal himself. Robin has something to reveal himself. But in both cases, their Oz-like canticles of honesty are flayed by parsing. Welcome to the specters hovering behind the curtain. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: When you first started posting, I thought what the hell is this!? Then, a while ago I began reading every word of yours, the context you create, the reality coming through, the innocence, and the world of Robin became known, with immediacy, not compared to anything else, just you. Others write about movies (sorry, couldn't resist) and stuff, yet you delve into awareness in a comprehensible way, weave a succinct explanation with no loose threads. Very skillful Robin. Which is not to say I am in agreement with everything you address, but neither do I feel I have to be, to get the genuineness of what you post. in fact, it makes you more real as a person, the ways in which you may cite your reality in some ways very different from the way I see reality, or perhaps just areas that need some filling in over time. Nonetheless, there is time, and I always have the sense from you that you will always attempt to give more of your self than you receive in return. Maybe its a Canadian thing, eh? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV yawns, plus TV kudos
Vajihad!! I wonder which is worse, being subjected to that, or being Barry'd Alive? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: What exactly is behind Vaj's sadistic anti-Robin campaign that he feels the need to disguise with bullshit rationalizations and clarifications? Inquiring minds want to know. Robin has been very open about his agenda; why can't Vaj be open about his? Why is he so intent on destroying Robin's hard-won progress toward well-being? RESPONSE: Rest assured, Judy, that Vaj cannot affect me in any way. I don't say this as some kind of defiant boast. I say this as a matter of empirical fact: Vaj could only touch me where I live were he willing to put his soul into his posts to me. As it is, I always feel how far off he is [both in terms of what he is aiming at in me, and in the sense that he is far off from even his own true self], even as I could write some devastating posts *to myself*. So, until or unless Vaj takes off his mask and becomes humanly accessible to meas Curtis always wasI can't even benefit from his antipathy towards me. I don't believe Vaj can help himself; he is genuinely caught in a kind of self-made matrix; and there evidently is no way out. He seems in his last post to Steve to be willing to adhere to his stated intention: to deal with me within the presentfor instance, I do not bring up his personal relationship to Pol Pot [although I have a video]. I appreciate that his attacks upon me and my reputationand my mental healthhave drawn out such a true and sincere concern in you; but I am more stable than this; else I would never had come onto FFL. Ten years ago, I would have been in no position to post at FFL. Now I am. I think I finally know what's driving Vaj, but even before this, I did not get alarmed by what he was doing. I believe the abuse from Vaj will attenuate into nothingunless prompted by one of his cohortsor his valiant defender, Steve. Thanks, Judy! To be honest, Robin, my post wasn't motivated by concern for you. I doubt there's much if anything Vaj could throw at you that you wouldn't be able to handle, no matter what tactics he was able to pick up from Mr. Pot. cough I just think it's important to call attention to what appears to be the personal nature of this particular vindictive Vajihad. His intent is obvious, but he has to hide his reasons, so he ends up floundering around like a loose cannon with a grudge so heavy it throws off his aim and he gets beaned with his own shrapnel.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Tibetan meditation practices
It doesn't have to. TM is a gentle enough technique, that by the time chakras are recognized by the TMer, its game over - might seem flashy but no big deal - doesn't have a disruptive effect. TMSP, different story.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote: Maybe TM'ers don't need chakras, anyway there is NO teaching vis-a-vis the chakras in the TM lexicon, therefore they don't exist. Certainly MMY would have told us about them, yes? Does the TMorg even believe there are such things as *chakras*? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: To be truthful, the same thing could happen with Transcendental Meditation in the wrong physiology or unsupervised. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@ wrote: http://www.jcrows.com/trogawa_mentaldisorders.html Meditation practitioners of tummo4 should know that they are apt to intensify srog-adzin-rlung, #65533;the life-grasping wind,#65533; in their body, so they need to be careful and practice correctly. Meditators of prana5 (Sanskrit for #65533;breath-control visualizations#65533;) should know that the chakras in their channels could be irreparably damaged if they do not follow the rules and therefore they need to be especially cautious. For example, a prana-practitioner is likely to react with intense fear when someone unexpectedly knocks on his door; a current of fear can soar through the visualized subtle central channel up to the head-chakra, the seat of srog-adzin-rlung, on account of what would otherwise be perceived as a slight irritation. In radical cases of faulty practice, frightening or endangering reports can cause the winds in the body of a prana-practitioner to uncontrollably surge upwards and, as a result, destroy the flow of energy in the body, even retarding the brain and leaving a victim to shake for the rest of his life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
It is odd that you equate more than stating your opinion, without clarification, follow up, or discussion to be the limit of what you consider an expression of Self. To respond to most of the posts here, or answer someone's question, even with the intent of clarifying and deepening your own expression is out of bounds, pandering to the small self, apparently. Argue for your limitations and all that...Funny how you have moved to live in Europe from the USA and are still inside a box. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: This is along the lines of something I was thinking about as I was driving home from more errands. For the most part, I think Vaj does reply to his critics. And why should he? I'll wait. I don't care if he does or not. But if you are participating in a forum like this, (or especially this forum), then you are going to be challenged. And if you feel that the person or persons making the challenge are sincere, even if they may be harsh, then I would think you would want to respond. Why? I'm serious. WHY would you want to defend yourself? Isn't that pretty much by definition the same as defending your *self*? Sounds like a losing proposition to me. Some -- including yourself -- may have invested enough in their self-believed or projected self image to feel that they need to defend it; I have not, and feel no such need. Otherwise you may appear as though you don't have the wherewithal to back up your claims or opinions. And WHY should one care about this, or even care about backing them up? Doesn't that very *concept* imply that you're trying to *sell* those opinions or claims to others? I am not. What I write is opinion, pure and simple. I am trying to sell it to no one. But as far as I'm concerned he has no obligation to respond to any challenge. We are agreed on this then. You should extend to me the same courtesy, whether you really mean it or not. :-) People will draw their own conclusion about what motivates people here. If their lives are so empty that that's what gets them off, so be it. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Purpose of Vedic Science
...a Hindu supremacist mindset... sounds like someone doesn't want any competition to the American supremacist mindset. I don't see India starting all of the wars that we do. If this is indeed taking over India, let's wait and see what that means, before rushing to judgment, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: The real purpose of Vedic science is the establishment of Hindu supremacy. The main targets are the schools, both public and parochial, where a massive Hinduization of history and science curricula is going on. The fantastic claims of Hindu science enthusiasts are dangerous because under the current regime, they have a very good chance of finding their way into school textbooks. The Hindu nationalist groups together run some 20,000 low-cost private schools, teaching 2.4 million children, with nearly a thousand new schools coming up every month (The New York Times, May 13, 2002). These outfits also run special residential schools in tribal areas and urban slums where they openly indoctrinate disadvantaged children into hardcore nationalist ideology. These schools are the Hindu equivalent of madarasas in Pakistan. Science teaching in these schools is already heavily Hinduized. According to Tanika Sarkar (1996, 243) who has studied urban schools run by the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh, scientific education, whether on physics or mathematics, is always concluded with Hindu textual approximation mentioned as the real source of that knowledge. There is a confident disregard of authenticated detail, and of boundaries between myth and reality that postmodernists would appreciate. The Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh's agenda of Hinduization of education is now close to becoming the official policy of the Indian government. The new National Curriculum Framework for School Education announced by the current government in November 2000 promises to inculcate patriotism and national pride by indigenizing education. A major component of indigenization will be highlighting India's contribution to world wisdom which will include all the usual items, from Ayurveda to yoga. In addition, the new curricula will require that religious/spiritual teachings be judiciously integrated with all subjects so as to raise the spiritual quotient of the students.' After two years of court challenges, in September 2002, India's Supreme Court allowed the government to go ahead with the new framework. The real threat of Vedic science is not to research and development in science, but to the educational system that is gearing up to produce a Hindu supremacist mind-set. Prophets Facing Backward Meera Nanda A must read for all Vedic Science, MIU/MUM and MSAE fans past and present.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV yawns, plus TV kudos
What was he doing in the whorehouse with a limp dick? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of turquoiseb Barry Wright: You know me...I honestly feel that Maharishi had all the shakti or spiritual voltage of a limp dick in a whorehouse :-) RESPONSE: I think this a most apposite description of Maharishi and I am envious of the person who composed it. In fact it had the effect of clearing some of the residual fogginess from my Unity Consciousness daysfogginess that I didn't realize was still there. I hope that the readers at FFL will take me at my word in this: Barry has reached (he often does this) down into his soul to find the most honest and revealing means of communicating what is the truth about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. That's what I like about Barry: he goes to where it hurts deepest and the most, and draws out his rather staggering wisdom from the beautifulness of his suffering. We all feel this. No, if a person wanted to find out the ultimate truth about Maharishi Mahesh Yogicaptured in one felicitous phrasinghe could not do better than to meditate on what is said here in this post by Barry Wright. And if this doesn't tell the whole story about who Maharishi was and his effect on you and your life, then you have obviously have not attuned yourself to the personal consciousness which could sum up Maharishi with such fidelity to the truth: the truth not just per se but the truth even of Barry's own experience at the time, when he was purportedly devoted to Maharishi. You see, he knew in his soul even then that a time would come when he could tell the world who Maharishi really was. Which he finally has. And it's all here, in this one sentence. I for one find this very liberating, and consider this a gift from the one-day-after-his-birthday boy in Amsterdam. This even beats the colonoscopy putdown: that was pretty good; this is better. Jesus, are you there?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV yawns, plus TV kudos
Flagging (or perhaps flogging) his impotence, so to speak? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: What was he doing in the whorehouse with a limp dick? Waving it, like Barry does. ;-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of turquoiseb Barry Wright: You know me...I honestly feel that Maharishi had all the shakti or spiritual voltage of a limp dick in a whorehouse :-) RESPONSE: I think this a most apposite description of Maharishi and I am envious of the person who composed it. In fact it had the effect of clearing some of the residual fogginess from my Unity Consciousness daysfogginess that I didn't realize was still there. I hope that the readers at FFL will take me at my word in this: Barry has reached (he often does this) down into his soul to find the most honest and revealing means of communicating what is the truth about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. That's what I like about Barry: he goes to where it hurts deepest and the most, and draws out his rather staggering wisdom from the beautifulness of his suffering. We all feel this. No, if a person wanted to find out the ultimate truth about Maharishi Mahesh Yogicaptured in one felicitous phrasinghe could not do better than to meditate on what is said here in this post by Barry Wright. And if this doesn't tell the whole story about who Maharishi was and his effect on you and your life, then you have obviously have not attuned yourself to the personal consciousness which could sum up Maharishi with such fidelity to the truth: the truth not just per se but the truth even of Barry's own experience at the time, when he was purportedly devoted to Maharishi. You see, he knew in his soul even then that a time would come when he could tell the world who Maharishi really was. Which he finally has. And it's all here, in this one sentence. I for one find this very liberating, and consider this a gift from the one-day-after-his-birthday boy in Amsterdam. This even beats the colonoscopy putdown: that was pretty good; this is better. Jesus, are you there?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV yawns, plus TV kudos
Vaj is becoming more and more the clown under the spotlight. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Well it's interesting because the Sanskrit word for mood is bhava. The words for TM are bhavatita-dhyana, that is literally beyond moods meditation. But what is it they get enlightened in? OMG! Vaj, puhleeze! The noun 'bhaava' is obviously derived from the root 'bhuu' (to be, become). In that context it most certainly simply means 'existence', or stuff. Please, stop embarrassing yourself before it's too late... ;D Moods. Or mood management. Or lack of mood management. Whatever you want to call it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV yawns, plus TV kudos
Seems like you are bullying Robin because he has a more public past than you do. What a coward. Shame on you. You hide, and lob bags of poo at him. In full sight of us all. That religion you are chained to must give you much comfort - just don't rub your wrists so much - it gives away your slavery. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 19, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Emily Reyn wrote: Nothing to do with this, but as a side thought and as an outsider (which may discredit my next thought completely), I saw the photo that Vaj posted and followed up with an analysis akin to note the tension in the crowd...etc., etc. There was absolutely no way that anything resembling his analysis was evident from the photo- whether one knew who was in it or not - IMO of course. I guess you had to be there. There was considerable concern, as marching around FF and MIU made us look like loonies - but at least R. insisted on being out front (with the SBS print) - so it wasn't all that bad.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV yawns, plus TV kudos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Seems like you are bullying Robin because he has a more public past than you do. What a coward. Shame on you. You hide, and lob bags of poo at him. In full sight of us all. That religion you are chained to must give you much comfort - just don't rub your wrists so much - it gives away your slavery. You know, it strikes me as so odd, because Robin's current animus toward TM and MMY is so similar in many respects to what Vaj has been preaching here for years, you'd think Vaj would be cheering Robin on, thrilled to have him as an ally. There has to be something else going on to explain this vendetta. It can't be just that Robin doesn't believe Vaj's claims to have been a TMer and TM teacher; Vaj has lobbed spitballs at worst toward the rest of us who doubt his TM status, whereas Robin gets nuclear missiles. I think there must be some acute thirst for vengeance at work, perhaps for a personal injury he feels Robin did him, or someone he's close to, in the past. That Robin has repudiated and essentially apologized for, regretted, and repented of the damage he did folks in what he considers his enlightened period isn't enough for Vaj. Vaj seems to feel he needs to not just bring Robin down but grind him into the dirt, destroy him as a human being. What I honestly think? 1) It is a dodge for Vaj, getting all excited about MZ, so he doesn't have to deal with his own shit, whatever that may be. 2) There is something fundamentally truthful in what MZ says, such that it irritates the hell out of Vaj. 3) With MZ around, Vaj can't waltz in anymore, mystically spouting his spiritual-sounding nonsense and have anyone care. Same with Barry - notice how they both hate MZ? Its visceral. He took their stage away without trying, and now all they can do is snarl under it, one feigning spiritual authority, the other, indifference.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Xeno - How 'bout this for Vaj, and that other clown here who fashions himself the cyber-spiritual-cafe-blogger-of-FFL? AND its got a beat... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVmmYMwFj1I --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Vaj, will you just shut up please. You are stinking the joint up. You fuck with the truth. You are a liar. You corrupt yourself here on FFL. You are out of control. Stop it. You need a time out. Get some kind of real goal, Vaj. You are fouling your own nest. Refreshing brevity Robin! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 17, 2011, at 6:40 PM, maskedzebra wrote: RESPONSE: Not merely learning about divine things but also experiencing them�that does not come from mere intellectual acquaintance with the terms of scientific theology, but from loving the things of God and cleaving to them by affection. Fellow-feeling comes from fondness rather than from cognizance, for things understood are in the mind in the mind's own fashion, whereas desire goes out to things as they are in themselves; love would transform us into the very condition of their being. Thus, by the settled bent of his affections, a virtuous man is well apt to judge straightway the affairs of virtue; so also the lover of divine matters divinely catches their gist. Aquinas Gee, I would of thought I warranted more of a response than another quote from Dead Catholic Theologians 101. Esp. one from a mere intellectual like Aquinas? Perhaps a Desert Father for dessert next time? I wonder if Aquinas was a gelukpa in his next life? If so, he would have to feign a more universal love - no doubt difficult for RC's...
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Christmas haiku from Whole Foods...
Ah to be relevant again, eh Turqey? The only one with a decades old grudge is you, loser. Never in my ENTIRE life have I heard about someone who was part of an organization OVER FORTY YEARS AGO, and still posts about it, Every Damned Day! Still gets you up in the morning, eh? You oughta try for Guiness Book Of World Records! Most Obsessed Former Member Of A Cult. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
At least this had a mercenary purpose with someone getting paid through a cyber mugging. Somehow the purposeless ones seem worse, douchebaggery for its own sake by some sociopath with no payoff but your pain. I know. Kind of like Barry's posts...Just in it for the jab, the wince, causing others discomfort, the brutal glee! Oh yes, that sadistic little punk, he's a true blue friend to you, huh?
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Are your parents still furious with you for trying TM? Sounds like it... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 18, 2011, at 10:24 AM, seventhray1 wrote: If I were on a jury, and had to make a determination based on the evidence I have heard over my time on FFL, I would say that IMO the evidence is irrefutable (or at least beyond a reasonable doubt) that Vaj was a very active participant in the TMO. Ray: While I was at one time active in the TMO, that time has long passed. Since I was very young when I started TM (my parents had to drive me to advanced lectures) I was made to feel special and blessed and so was subject to constant offers of promotion should I want it: center SIMS president, checker, MIU visits, etc. I preferred however to stay on the sidelines, as I never trusted MMY, although was intrigued by certain aspects of his knowledge. By the time I was in my early 20's, TM and the TMSP had already unravelled due to exposure to the Holy Shankaracharya Order and numerous pundit-yogis of the Rig Veda and Patanjali tradition. My family has a long history in India and Tibet since the turn of the previous century, and were keen to relay their opinions when asked. The most egregious behavior of Vaj's I have found so far was when he intentially over posted some time back to foul up the system, just to try to test the moderators post counting, (or something along these lines). I think Alex got pretty pissed off, and I didn't blame him. And quite honestly, I thought that indicated a real lack of integrity on Vaj's part. Actually Ray other posters had been deleting their posts for many months in order to avoid overposting, and got away with it (or so it appeared to me; I'm not really sure), so I thought I'd try it. Needless to say, I didn't receive the special care the others did. I did do some ribbing at Alex, and if I offended him, he certainly has my sincere apology.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The How To Deal With A Street Crazy technique and mantra
...reply using a single-word magical mantra -- Whatever -- and then walk away. Anything else is going to turn out like punching Uncle Remus' tarbaby. Just sayin'... Just sayin', here you are in your sixties, and afraid to even respond to most of those who engage you on the forum, terrified almost, that you will be sucked into a tar-like vortex, from which you are unable to escape on your own. You have made such a totem out of judging others here, that now after years of digging that groove in your head (that's a pun...), you are so weak that even a word of meaningful response, where you are held accountable, even that small reflection of energy from you is now seen in your hallucinatory state as the inevitable road to a hellish tarbaby-like interaction - gooey, dirty and inescapable. You are so attached to your reflected self in this imaginary interaction that you write reams about it, what it will be like, how it will feel, all your defenses arrayed against the great evil: Responding to someone here as an equal. Two things: 1) You take what is said around here WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. 2) You take yourself WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. Lighten up. Take a dump. Have a cup of coffee. Think before you write. Lose your fear and grow a pair. Get over yourself. groups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As a public service, might I remind people of the proper, approved spiritual technique for dealing with a street crazy? You know, one of those angry bag ladies or gnarly old guys who suddenly jump out at you as you're walking peacefully down the street and then rant at you? Some might be tempted to interact with them, as they go on and on and on -- spewing literally thousands of words at you or anyone else who passes -- as if they were really talking to them. But they're not. They're talking to them- selves, and trying desperately to get someone -- anyone -- to talk back to them as if they were either sane, or worth talking to. But they're not. Doing so is not only a waste of your time, it reinforces the crazy person's delusions. In my experience, the most effective technique for dealing with crazies like this, whether you run into them on the street or on the Internet, is to reply using a single-word magical mantra -- Whatever -- and then walk away. Anything else is going to turn out like punching Uncle Remus' tarbaby. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Christmas haiku from Whole Foods...
Sri Chinmoy or Esse as we call him, was the guru of Doctor Frederick Lenz, Barry's Guru for a long time. Vaj says Esse is a quack like Maharishi. So we can easily imagine the trips Nightmare On Freddy Street did on Barry's head - Turq gave this guy tens of thousands of dollars, and to this day claims Freddie performed siddhis. Freddie said he was the incarnation of Rama, the seventh avatar of Vishnu. He also kept a .38 around to persuade women to have sex with him. He ended up walking into Long Island Sound to drown himself, full of Valium and wearing a dog collar. Now we know why Barry would rather spend thousands of posts bashing Maharishi, who he interacted with briefly over 40 years ago, and yet the meglomaniacal Freddie, conjurer, con man, rapist, and suicide, who Barry spent over a decade with, rarely gets a mention from him. Barry sticks to the safe topics - the well worn tracks of his opinions; Bash Maharishi, Bash the TMO, Bash the TMers...but, never ever say a word about Freddy... Why? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I apologize for rushing here. (in case anyone cases). The small electrical project at my place of business yesterday that was supposed to be over at 1:00 pm took till 4:30. Then today, I needed to pick up my (late) Mom's VW which had been parked for 6 weeks and had a new battery. I figured the car would need to be jumped and came prepared. I just didn't figure that once I called AAA that they also wouldn't be able to solve the problem and that I will have to get the battery charged, and probably find out that it is bad, then go back to AAA who installed the battery originally. Oh well. But checking in for a moment, I have wanted to convey to you, Robin, that IMHO you have dealt with these challenges (astras) sent your way by Vaj quite well. I t hink you are entirely within your rights to claim that these events took place some 25 years ago, and that you were, at that time, a different person with a different set of beliefs. Vaj of course will claim differently, but the fact that you have kept to yourself for the past 25 years is a pretty good indicator, again, IMHO, that you have taken time to re-evaluate your perspectives. So, what I want to say is that I enjoy your posts, and that I think Vaj's arrows will shortly lose their momentum. I think it is already happpening. They may be moving the category of surprising, or even mildly scandalous, to somewhat boring. I'm off now on more errands. Love, 7th ray, aka Steve --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Dear Vaj: Yeah, the Bob guy goofed big-time here. Good that you caught him in this faux pas. I think you may have done himthe Bob guya favour, After all, he just has to know about Carlos Santana's attitude towards Chinmoy to realize that to quote this guy (SC) as some paragon of wisdom is going to kick up in his (BP's) face. I maintain my animus against all things Eastern, because that is how I got out from under the hallucination of my enlightenment. As soon as someone quotes some Guru (who lived in my lifetimeother than Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who is very differenteven with all his problems), the universeor so it seems to merefuses to lend any kind of support; so one is suddenly on one's own. I think Bob Price quite brilliant [see my eulogy when he had unsubscribed]; but as soon as he turned in the direction of Sri Chinmoy he diminishedat least for that momenthis credibility. Although not necessarily in the minds of FFL readers; but in the mind of the intelligence behind creation [IMO]. As for my sins of the past to which you refer, I have paid for them, I am still paying for them, and I will pay for them. I think it not a particularly valid form of argument to bring in the business of what someone said in their notorious and disavowed past, when quite clearly that person (who allegedly acted in some way which can be seen to have been wrong) has radically changed their philosophyand has stated quite publicly that they were in an hallucinatory state at the time. I ask you to come at me based upon what you can infer from my posts at FFL, Vaj: I am sure all of us have done things we are not proud of, especially when we go back nearly 30 years. But I suppose I had it coming, given my desperation regarding your approach here at FFL. But all this is part of a past that I repudiate. I am happy to be held accountable for all my actions in my post-Unity waking state consciousness, Vaj. But not when I as an individual seemed to have become cosmic. You see, had I now met the Robin I was then (early 1980's), I would have approached him as someone deceived, even with all his sincerity and the obviously sense that he was experiencing his actions as under the aegis and even control of cosmic intelligence. Try to deal with the issues
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
But I believe Vaj himself has helped clear up that mystery. Oh? And how has he managed to do that, if I may ask? Just to fill in the blanks, once and for all: When he was in the seventh grade, Vaj had his mom drive him to the TM center once for a free cookie (She wouldn't get out of the car). They almost made him a checker that very day, according to Vaj, and made him feel special (he got *two* carob chip cookies, for one thing). But Vaj knew from his parents that it wouldn't please the god-man they had close ties to, from their yearly visits to Busch Gardens Tampa Bay, a tropical paradise, and home to HH The Wizard of Oz. Leaving the TM Center that day after his one visit, Vaj got a stomachache. Suddenly, he didn't want any more of those damned carob cookies! Screw mahesh (yeah that's what he'd call him...mahesh, he sneered) and TM! I've probably revealed more than I should have, but I wanted to confirm Vaj's (very) brief involvement with TM. A good friend of Vaj's who was there during the cookie incident knows *exactly* what I'm talking about...first initial, K. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: It is entirely possible that Vaj could have gleaned or picked up particulars about TM and Robin's group from reading materials or from discussing these particulars with other people. And in light what he mentioned a short time ago, it may be that this the case. What I am saying is that Vaj, has for the most part come across as credible to me on the topics in which he opines, including TM and the Vedic Tradition. Really? You believe he's always described the instructions for TM accurately? Yes, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. For me that has both plusses and minuses, but mostly plusses, (by a long shot). There is also the burden of proof each of us might require, i.e. preponderance of evidence (civil case), and beyond a reasonable doubt (criminal case). As to the accusation that Vaj was not a participant of the TMO, you may inclined to draw a conclusion based on a preponderance of evidence, whereas I would want more substantial evidence (beyond a reasonable doubt). You've switched conclusions. Your original post said there was evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that he *was* a TMO participant. In any case, my conclusion is based on *absence* of any evidence for that premise; plus in one case *negative* evidence: By me, the inability to correctly cite the instructions for the practice of TM is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that Vaj was never a TM teacher. But I believe Vaj himself has helped clear up that mystery. Oh? And how has he managed to do that, if I may ask? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: If I were on a jury, and had to make a determination based on the evidence I have heard over my time on FFL, I would say that IMO the evidence is irrefutable (or at least beyond a reasonable doubt) that Vaj was a very active participant in the TMO. What evidence have you seen that Vaj has TMO-related knowledge and understanding that he could *not* have obtained except by being an active participant in the TMO? Is there anything he's said that could not be accounted for by his having read TMO-related materials and/or spoken to people who *were* active in the TMO? Those testifying in court on Vaj's behalf would surely be cross-examined to that effect, and if they couldn't come up with anything solid, the prosecution would use that failure to impeach their testimony to the jury. To me the only evidience, (or lack of evidence in this case) is that no one, here at least, seems to have personal knowledge of his participation. But no one here, except on one ocassion, (Jim Flanagan), has ever brought this up. How could anyone have personal knowledge of his participation if he doesn't use his real name and won't even cite any of the facts of that participation? He's been asked over and over and over again for such facts, like the name of his initiator or the date and location of his TTC, and he refuses to respond, even though those facts wouldn't identify him in and of themselves. And based on what I have heard here, Vaj also has an intimate understanding of Robin's past stint as being the leader of his own spirtitual group. Again, what understanding of Robin's past has Vaj demonstrated that he could *not* have obtained except by active participation in the TMO? What does Vaj know about Robin that he could not have learned from reading pertinent material (such as Robin's books, which contain his own detailed accounts of that period) and/or talked with
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Why not just get off the fence? It'll feel like a new morning.;-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: Hmm, since there are so many TM teachers on this board, nay even 'enlightened' ones, of what importance is it, that Vaj did TM or not? We have enough information about TM right? There are, just to cite an example many TMers here, who will swear that TM is the best spiritual technique, without ever trying all the others, so judging other techniques on the basis of what one has studied oneself, is at least not such an unusual business it seems. I say all this without actually *knowing* Vaj's involvement or non-involvement in TM. I never thought he was a TM teacher, and, in the past, have myself expressed doubt about his involvement. And yet, that does not mean that all he says is invalid, in fact I find several points -on TM - where I agree with him, and he exhibits knowledge, obviously others are missing out. Not the type of internal knowledge about TM, that initiators have, but knowledge about other things, that do bring the TM experience into a certain perspective which I find valid. And he is actually the only one who brings in this perspective, so it is rare, crucial. I do not join his overall judgement on TM or all things Maharishi, as I think he is going clearly overboard here, but it is a matter of judgement, where I see the whole thing in an overall positive light - with all criticsim, and he chooses to see it negative - but so what? Do not other's here adore and eulogize TM and Maharishi in an overly romantic way, while stating simultaneausly it is the most deceptive way, the devil invented? Or did I misread something here? How honest and serious can a person be, making simultaneously such contradictory statements? Talking of integrity. Just sayin' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: This message following from the archive seems to be a reference to Vaj's TM knowledge. As I have been on the forum for only less than a year, this is before my knowledge of who what writing what about whom. So doubt about Vaj seems to go back some time, more than half a decade. I have removed some personal references from the message (indicated by *). It seems as if one of the posters also does not appear as there are three levels of posts in the message, but only two posters mentioned. I do not know who they are. [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money t3rinity Tue, 17 May 2005 07:14:40 -0700 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM is just meditation with supports. The support is the mantra. Supports are like training wheels. Eventually you drop the training wheels. You really don't seem to have ever learned TM. It is as if you never learned it. I'm not being sarcastic. Any TM'r reading your posts, it is as if you really don't understand the technique. How would he? If he ever learned TM he must have forgotten it completely. * Not, that it is wrong to have many interests. But I wonder, how you can be a Nathist, as he claims he is initiated into the Nath order, and a Shri Vidhya practitionar, of the Shankara order, and a Tibetan Buddhist at the same time. That's just like if you are a Mormon, a Catholic priest, and a Babtist simultaneausly, while just 2-3 years ago he was a Freemasonic brother. I think it's relatively easy to just gather info's from the net, read some books, watch some discussion. It's quite another thing to follow a path committedly over decades. So I think Vaj aka Vajranatha aka * aka * just wants to show up. - TM involves some cultish jargon, and anyone involved therein tends to pick that up - it is hard to disguise habit. Vaj never seems to me to 'sound' or 'feel' like a TMer. That is not a proof, but his explanation that he just does not want to use those expressions seems a bit lame, since he does not seem to be able to translate them to different language in a way that they are still recognisable. For example in the 1960s Maharishi said TM 'lures the mind'. That is not common today in TM-speak, but the intent is recognisable as a feature of how TM works. He seems well versed in other things not related directly to TM; I think he would have a stronger presence here if he just owned up that he was not a teacher, and maybe not even a TM meditator, and played to his strong points. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: It is entirely possible that Vaj could have gleaned or picked up particulars about TM and Robin's group from reading materials or from discussing these
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Do you still enjoy molesting children, Vaj, or just animals now? You are one sick, perverted Buddhist. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 17, 2011, at 7:02 PM, maskedzebra wrote: RESPONSE II: Not every love has the quality of friendship. In the first place it is reserved to that love for another which wills his well-being. When what we will is not the other's good for his sake, but the desire of it as it affects us, that is not friendship, but self-regarding love and some sort of concupiscence. Neither does benevolence suffice for friendship; in addition a mutual loving is required, for friend is friend to friend. This interplay of well-wishing is founded on companionship. It's shown that Buddhists in higher states of consciousness meditate on objectless compassion: love beyond mere objects. How sad for Aquinas' circle jerk. It does sound like the perfect rationale for child molesters - how clever! You should send that one to Jerry Sandusky, I bet he'd find great consolation in it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi Chivukula
Wrong. Its not all about you, Vaj. You said some dumb shit and you got called on it, independently, by three people. Despite your lofty pretenses to the contrary, the three of us had nothing to do with one another, except by coincidence. So the best you can summon up is the the whole world is mad, yet I alone am sane, defense? So lifeless, knee-jerk reacting, easily overriding who you think you are, Vaj. You're nothin' special acting like this - Buddha wouldn't pick his nose with a mean little moron like you. Pointing the finger at everyone but yourself You're a mean little evasive jerk (honestly the nicest word I can use). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Sent from my iPad On Dec 17, 2011, at 7:24 PM, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: So now you are Vag, the critiquer of Christian contemplation â knower of what's authentic and what is not. How illuminating of you. So where did you arrive at direct experience of Christian contemplation? Have you submitted yourself to the teachings of a Catholic or Orthodox priest/theologian of the church? Do you follow a Catholic or Orthodox sacramental life? Do you claim to have a teacher/starets of noetic prayer? If you cannot declare your allegiance to one of these essential ingredients of Christian contemplative life then you only know about it from something you've read. If so, then you don't know what you are talking about in this realm. If you do have a Christian contemplative teacher, then who is it? Confess or shut up your pompous posturing. Oh look, the inquisition showed up!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
Oops, I thought I was interacting with another adult, Bob. My mistake. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Save it for Ravi Jim, he has a much bigger heart than I do. Do you have any clue how dumb your second paragraph makes you sound? From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:49:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi Hi Bob, I did not try to cyber lynch Ravi, so please include me with Oboe and the others. RD has been on here a long time and Ravi's stuff didn't fit the object of his rant, however well intentioned. As for the implication to us all through the video clip, I grew up with brown people, not whiteys. I lived mostly in SE Asia until I was 19. They raised me. I spoke the languages of Indonesia, the Philippines and Hong Kong. Thankfully the last two were primarily English, with a smattering of Tagalog and Cantonese. Also lived in Mexico, Spain, Fiji, and Surinam. So no big deal about Ravi having a really, really good tan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: RD, Since the *attempted* cyber lynching appears to be all but over, except for the clean up, I have a couple of questions for you below; From: raunchydog raunchydog@ Hi Robin,àRD: I really don't know Ravi very well at all. I haven't read his posts with much interest except to notice that he has had some enjoyable back and forth banter with Denise/Emily and Bob Price. My initial experience of Ravi was about a year ago when he got into such a depressive state that we had extensive discussions about his mental health and concern that he might commit suicide. Since then I see that he has come back from the brink but rightly or wrongly, I still see him as an unstable individual with the potential to go off the rails again. Given his history, I think Alex's explanation for what might have happened with Ravi in the past seems to ring true. ***BP: Do I understand correctly that the reason you *attempted* to provoke Ravi was your concern for his mental stability? Do I also understand correctly that the *attempted* lynching of Raja Ravi Yogi, by pretty much all of FFL (excluding Judy, Edg and Oboe) was also out of concern for his mental health; and we should ignore the fact that the *attempted* lynching was lead by those paragons of emotional maturity Curtis and Bubbles? In addition, the stated fact: I really don't know Ravi very well at all. is no barrier to your meditation or an accurate diagnosis of his mental state, and further, being the trained mental health professionals that you and the Alex must so obviously be, the two of you had no doubt that provoking him was the high road to his recovery? I want to thank you for clearing that up; I'm a bit slow; I had thought it was that the two of you were being passive aggressive and working on some issues, and Ravi, as always, was more than   happy to help you out.àhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgKXK9giPYQfeature=related Alex: I can see why many traditions of awakening get the samskara/vasana inner work out of the way before awakening, because once sole identity with the I/me story is broken, it is tempting to disregard the story as unimportant and let it act out messily. Also, for people with serious mental health issues, nondual awakening can make matters worse. ***BP: I'm sure I'm wrong about this; on the off chance Raja Ravi Yogi was using closet and Mother Teresa as a metaphors for ignorance and hypocrisy respectively, would it be fair to interpret yours and Alex's posts as *attempts*, to provoke Ravi; and having the heart of a lion, in a herd of zebras, he accommodated you? ààhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLFi9Xd7yys RDOG: As long as Ravi isn't threatening to do himself in, I don't make any claims to know the nature of his present mental stability. I'm just circumspect about it. ***BP: Since most of us didn't know Raja Ravi Yogi was attempting to off himself (including Ravi) the fact that you and the Alex have his back, will make all of us rest much easier. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l81W-jcOuj0 RDOG: Ravi claims he is enlightened. I don't know what that means to him or to anyone else. We all have a POV about it. Maybe I'm misjudging him, or just plain don't understand him but I get the feeling that he thinks his enlightenment gives him a pass to be Mr. Natural of inhibitions. I don't know if anyone's perception of him as enlightened has any bearing on how they choose to interact with him. Regardless, IMO it shouldn't be an excuse to treat him with deference or give him a pass if he chooses
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
Hi Nabs, I don't have plans to investigate further now, though I can see this as being very enlivening. Glad I heard about it. If I ever retire, I'll keep it in mind. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: It looks valid enough. There is kind of that 20 second or so sneak peek at the end. Looks like it has to be done in a group. $85 is very reasonable. I certainly look forward to try it. Will it have any purpose for you Jim ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
I am not a TMer, but my impression is that the course is conducted in a group as was shown, and various parts of the physiology of the model are simply pulsed on and off, to the sounds of the Veda. Rather than being something up in the mind, the participants are probably instructed to simply place their attention on the blinking body part, which is synchronized to the particular Vedic hymn being played at the time. This then promotes healing or at least waking up that particular area of the body by the attendee's own attention, enlivened by the Vedic vibrations. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@ wrote: its not mindfulness So what is it according to you? Really a kind of a technique, or just a knowledge presentation? Tell us, what do TMers feel that it is?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
He actually keeps lists of people he doesn't like, up to six now, on this forum alone? If that is the case, I am pretty sure it doesn't stop with FFL. I wonder if he scribbles the names down feverishly on little Post-It notes while in his cubicle at work? Folding them and thrusting them deep into the pocket of his Dockers, so that the next time he visits a cafe for some unloading, I mean writing, and draws a blank, he can plunge his grimy hand into his right front pocket and out emerges his little hater list. Ahh, Inspiration!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: What I've noticed for some time is that there are some people on this forum who not only feel that they have the right to use the people whose ideas they don't like as punching bags, they actually seem to feel that their victims owe it to them to punch back. I owe them nothing. Nada. Zip. Bupkus. They can say anything about me they want, and chances are (for the 6 people on my written off as bad bets list) I'll never even see what they write. This seems to piss them off no end, because what they seem to want is for me to take what they write -- and them -- seriously, and get into it with them, in some head-to-head argument that they can then imagine they won. Not gonna happen. I mean, you gotta admit, that it is a little odd that maybe 90% of Barry's interactions here are between BarryI and BarryII. I guess that's what they call inadvertent irony. But I wonder why Barry feels like he needs to reiterate this other point repeatedly. He's made it clear that he doesn't read the posts of certain people, and has it in his mind that they are wringing their hands about it. And then he sets up the big gotcha, that if you respond to something he says, then it proves whatever point he is trying to make. Oh well. P.S. I like Barry, but I don't think he cares for me much.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
Well said - You should invite some of the course participants who experienced benefits over to your place so you can act snide and superior around them, and tell them what fools they are! Invite KB too! And if they are too wimpy to go for popping pills and getting cut open, the only real ways to heal, suggest they try leeches. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I am not a TMer, but my impression is that the course is conducted in a group as was shown, and various parts of the physiology of the model are simply pulsed on and off, to the sounds of the Veda. Rather than being something up in the mind, the participants are probably instructed to simply place their attention on the blinking body part, which is synchronized to the particular Vedic hymn being played at the time. This then promotes healing or at least waking up that particular area of the body by the attendee's own attention, enlivened by the Vedic vibrations. Whynot, Yep, you got it. It is very Buddhistic like in practice. The teachers introduce it telling how to use the 'attention' then turn on the gizmo that conducts the meditation. Then you keep eyes open? On the video it says: visualizing Brahm, that's another new element. Also they may play a Maharishi or Tony tape. People are there experientially for the technique. The point is to sit through the guided meditation. It is a type of samyama when you get the hang of it. That is my experience being there. Best Regards, -Buck in FF I was thinking that they would be playing the part of the Veda Tony imagines relates to that part of the body while the audience sits in the group trance after a meditation listening to the Vedic drone. If they had pacifiers and glow rings we could call it a rave. The A of E and Chopra technique is a real departure from Maharishi's usual schtick. Can you imagine the initiator's answer to any question from another system that described this practice? It would get labeled superficial moodmaking before they were done describing it. I was thinking that the brain doesn't have sensation receptors and our internal organs have very few. The whole thing is another imaginarium exercise carefully couched in lawyer generated language to imply but not make direct health claims. But back in the day it would have worked for me. Everything worked for me. That is the nature of being really good at maintaining trance states. In mixed martial arts the term worked for a match means that it was fake with a predetermined outcome, think professional wrestling. The larger issue is that imagining healing is a long way from actual healing and $85 is still too much for a placebo that could be accomplished with a 2 cent sugar pill or a capsule of magic Vedic leper dust. (Do NOT open those capsules and pour it into your eggnog instead of nutmeg. There is not enough Christmas punch in the world to take the funk off of that part zombie part funeral pyre ash flavor no matter how magically healthful they are for your imaginary dosha imbalance. Basically they are taking Tony's SCI integration metaphor literally as if any of our MIU course connections between one discipline and another was not just a metaphor but was a cognition of how things actually are, really really. But if viewed as a normal to low ticket price for a headline music act, and knowing how much fun this will be for all those who it works for, the $85 is probably well worth it for the ride. I would have considered it a bargain at any price. I have to admit to feeling happy that they are still generating new material for us. My hope is that they ramp this up and can evolve beyond this 60's technology (doesn't it remind you of that vibration football game or electronic Battleship?) and get into some video game technology. Or better yet, something for my Wii cuz then at least I will get the health benefit of getting up off my ass. I wish that posting on FFL had a Wii connection, don't you? Maybe I should be using voice recognition software while bouncing on a mini tramp! Now I know what to put in that little note I'm gunna burn in the fire place with the smoke wafting all the way to the North Pole. Where Raja Ram lives dressed in silk and imagining more imaginarium gifts for his movement children while serving up an actual X-Box 360 WITH connect for his real kids.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
Thanks for the confirmation Buck - You say 'being there' - have you been more than once, or is it a set number of times in order to have the practice become automatic? If I am in confidential territory, please let me know - I am just interested to compare this stuff to techniques which evolve from the siddhis naturally. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I am not a TMer, but my impression is that the course is conducted in a group as was shown, and various parts of the physiology of the model are simply pulsed on and off, to the sounds of the Veda. Rather than being something up in the mind, the participants are probably instructed to simply place their attention on the blinking body part, which is synchronized to the particular Vedic hymn being played at the time. This then promotes healing or at least waking up that particular area of the body by the attendee's own attention, enlivened by the Vedic vibrations. Whynot, Yep, you got it. It is very Buddhistic like in practice. The teachers introduce it telling how to use the 'attention' then turn on the gizmo that conducts the meditation. Also they may play a Maharishi or Tony tape. People are there experientially for the technique. The point is to sit through the guided meditation. It is a type of samyama when you get the hang of it. That is my experience being there. Best Regards, -Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
Hi Bob, You weren't here when Ravi was putting on quite a show upon his arrival on FFL. It was done brilliantly, with real links to mental hospitals, doctors and psychiatrists. I was not taken in, but many others were, and it was truly an alarming experience for them. After all, no one knew Ravi at that point. So you may want to consider that, before calling people hypocrites. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: I read all these posts, when they were posted. Unless you're doing a Curtis; you seem to have missed my point. I do not agree with yours or Alex's interpretation of your exchanges with Ravi.  I don't believe the two of you are anywhere near as innocent as you'd like the other posters to believe. Alex is passive aggressive, read his projections response to me last night. You, on the other hand, are being hypocritical; I have no reason to think it's (like Curtis), a permanent affliction, or, (like Bubbles), that you're a low functioning sociopath, but your explanations are BS (hope that doesn't offend). There are numerous examples of Ravi's points that were completely ignored in the rush to *cyber* lynch him, I've already mentioned the obvious metaphors he was using; everyone ignored his explanation that one might be forgiven for thinking someone who uses a handle like yours might not be offended by some colorful language; chivalry my ass, you're all hypocrites. But like Watergate, or the sudden stop---to the fall, the cover-up was worse than the break in. I think the posts after Ravi, and Judy, posted out stink to high heaven of the basest type of mob thinking, and all of you (not you Bubbles we understand your challenges) should be ashamed of yourselves. *Attempting* to get even with someone by discussing their past and present mental health is nasty, but pretending you're doing it out of some type of concern for a fellow human being, is the worst type of hypocrisy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy#Jung_on_the_General_Hypocrisy_of_Man From: raunchydog raunchydog@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 5:34:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: RD, Since the *attempted* cyber lynching appears to be all but over, except for the clean up, I have a couple of questions for you below; From: raunchydog raunchydog@ Hi Robin,àRD: I really don't know Ravi very well at all. I haven't read his posts with much interest except to notice that he has had some enjoyable back and forth banter with Denise/Emily and Bob Price. My initial experience of Ravi was about a year ago when he got into such a depressive state that we had extensive discussions about his mental health and concern that he might commit suicide. Since then I see that he has come back from the brink but rightly or wrongly, I still see him as an unstable individual with the potential to go off the rails again. Given his history, I think Alex's explanation for what might have happened with Ravi in the past seems to ring true. ***BP: Do I understand correctly that the reason you *attempted* to provoke Ravi was your concern for his mental stability? Incorrect. I've already explained the motivation for my actions and the sequence of events here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297639 Out of respect for your friendship with Ravi, I'll answer you question. Just for the record, despite the row I've had with Ravi, I don't dislike him. Since I'm going into far more detail explaining myself than I expected, I hope you will at least follow the threads I have outlined before judging me. In a nutshell: Ravi gay baited Alex. I gay baited Ravi. Ravi ranted about blowjobs. I dropped it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297404 I thought Ravi dropped it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297409 Then I commented on Vaj's link here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297443 Ravi took offense and for no apparent reason, he launched into another abusive rant about blowjobs here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297571 At that point Rick stepped in and I stepped back. I did not respond to Ravi's rant. In fact I'm on record saying Ravi should not be censored here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297765 I don't know anything about Ravi's mental health other than he is no longer talking about suicide. For all the reasons I explained, the notion that I provoked Ravi because I was concerned for his mental stability seems to imply cruel intent on my part and is simply not true. Do I also understand correctly that the *attempted* lynching of
[FairfieldLife] KB's Hater List Betting Pool [was Re: Hey Ravi]
I was thinking we could hold a KB Hater List Betting Pool. Everyone chips in a buck each and the person who guesses closest to the number of people actually on KB's **global** hater list, wins. Of course we would have to enlist a confidant of Turq's who has actually seen the list, and that would be tough. Next best course would be to enlist members with absolute integrity, perhaps Judy and MZ, to confidentially come to a best estimate, which would then be held privately by an FFL moderator, along with the proceeds, until the drawing takes place. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Be careful, using handles like *Bubbles* and not playing along with the *viewer* defense might land you in slot seven, although, on behalf of the six, the air is a lot cleaner over here; a lot less gas. From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 6:45:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: I like Barry too, but I don't think he cares for me much either. I honestly don't think about you much at all, except when you post something funny. Which, to your credit, happens from time to time. :-) All in all, though, I think some of you on this forum need to get a life that doesn't revolve around the other people on this forum and either what you think of them or what they think of you. Checking the water to see if the crocodile was paying attention and he grabbed the chicken on the string. As the crocodile sinks out of sight, back into the brackish water, Bubbles, are seen on the surface. Test completed. : ) (You do read the posts for which you claim not to?) Your above quote about some of you, are you placing users in a same category of who you think are needing, to get a life that doesn't revolve around the other people on this forum, when that may just be in your own head? LOL Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
Fair enough - At this point, I think Ravi is sick of reading my stuff about him. Completely hilarious video! I wonder if the guy in it now walks around with a t-shirt that reads, I licked the Pope's face? As for KB/Bubbles, I hope you'll contribute to the betting pool! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: I lurked for some time before I posted, you might want to consider that before questioning my choice of words. And please, don't think I don't enjoy your posts, I have watched you more than once send *Bubbles* to bed for the afternoon. And as I said I'm sure Raja Ravi Yogi thinks I'm nuts to include you with the gang bangers. Now its time for my nails. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Xy1nI4Wzwfeature=related From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 9:11:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi Hi Bob, You weren't here when Ravi was putting on quite a show upon his arrival on FFL. It was done brilliantly, with real links to mental hospitals, doctors and psychiatrists. I was not taken in, but many others were, and it was truly an alarming experience for them. After all, no one knew Ravi at that point. So you may want to consider that, before calling people hypocrites. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: I read all these posts, when they were posted. Unless you're doing a Curtis; you seem to have missed my point. I do not agree with yours or Alex's interpretation of your exchanges with Ravi. àI don't believe the two of you are anywhere near as innocent as you'd like the other posters to believe. Alex is passive aggressive, read his projections response to me last night.àYou, on the other hand, are being hypocritical; I have no reason to think it's (like Curtis), a permanent affliction, or, (like Bubbles), that you're a low functioning sociopath, but your explanations are BS (hope that doesn't offend). There are numerous examples of Ravi's points that were completely ignored in the rush to *cyber* lynch him, I've already mentioned the obvious metaphors he was using; everyone ignored his explanation that one might be forgiven for thinking someone who uses a handle like yours might not be offended by some colorful language; chivalry my ass, you're all hypocrites. But like Watergate, or the sudden stop---to the fall, the cover-up was worse than the break in. I think the posts after Ravi, and Judy, posted out stink to high heaven of the basest type of mob thinking, and all of you (not you Bubbles we understand your challenges) should be ashamed of yourselves. *Attempting* to get even with someone by discussing their past and present mental health is nasty, but pretending you're doing it out of some type of concern for a fellow human being, is the worst type of hypocrisy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy#Jung_on_the_General_Hypocrisy_of_Man From: raunchydog raunchydog@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 5:34:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: RD, Since the *attempted* cyber lynching appears to be all but over, except for the clean up, I have a couple of questions for you below; From: raunchydog raunchydog@ Hi Robin,ÃâàRD: I really don't know Ravi very well at all. I haven't read his posts with much interest except to notice that he has had some enjoyable back and forth banter with Denise/Emily and Bob Price. My initial experience of Ravi was about a year ago when he got into such a depressive state that we had extensive discussions about his mental health and concern that he might commit suicide. Since then I see that he has come back from the brink but rightly or wrongly, I still see him as an unstable individual with the potential to go off the rails again. Given his history, I think Alex's explanation for what might have happened with Ravi in the past seems to ring true. ***BP: Do I understand correctly that the reason you *attempted* to provoke Ravi was your concern for his mental stability? Incorrect. I've already explained the motivation for my actions and the sequence of events here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297639 Out of respect for your friendship with Ravi, I'll answer you question. Just for the record, despite the row I've had with Ravi, I don't dislike him. Since I'm going into far more detail explaining myself than I expected, I hope you will at least follow the threads I have outlined before judging me. In a nutshell: Ravi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sattvic horror movies I'm looking forward to
Actual yogis who develop these abilities often seem to develop a spontaneous knowledge of workable holistic forms of medicine along with their omniscience. That's what happened to my grandmaster, he was just a peasant kid with little education, yet the kings of the Himalaya sought him out for treatment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=945CPuRUZv8 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 8, 2011, at 12:46 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Have you seen Limitless yet? I saw it and was blown away by the implications. And with the rapid acceleration of smart drug use on campuses it was well within the believable. The question will be whether or not overclocking our CPU is inherently dangerous or not. So far there seems to be a bar tab for everything they have come up with. But that limit may not last. I'll bet just getting closer with fewer side affect will work just fine for most of us. Actual yogis who develop these abilities often seem to develop a spontaneous knowledge of workable holistic forms of medicine along with their omniscience. That's what happened to my grandmaster, he was just a peasant kid with little education, yet the kings of the Himalaya sought him out for treatment. As westerners, we tend to boo hoo these things, because no one in the west was really experiencing these states - until an American Dzogchenpa actually attained the Body of Light several years ago. When the Catholic church realized humans were experiencing it, they were forced to investigate as well - after all it appeared their founder had as well. I suspect we'll eventually find out some heretofore unknown properties of human DNA. It's really just a matter of time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
I put your dialog below through a speech converter, and it came up with this. The accuracy of the software is amazing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4W1xXymQ-c --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I have to admit to feeling happy that they are still generating new material for us. My hope is that they ramp this up and can evolve beyond this 60's technology (doesn't it remind you of that vibration football game or electronic Battleship?) and get into some video game technology. Or better yet, something for my Wii cuz then at least I will get the health benefit of getting up off my ass. Sign me up for that. Can't you just imagine? One of the TMO WII games could be called Shoot The Heretic, in which tiny versions of Off The Vedic Program slime run around on your TV screen doing nasty things and you have to zap them. Because that's the dharmic thing to do, doncha know. :-) Now I know what to put in that little note I'm gunna burn in the fire place with the smoke wafting all the way to the North Pole. Where Raja Ram lives dressed in silk and imagining more imaginarium gifts for his movement children while serving up an actual X-Box 360 WITH connect for his real kids. Interesting image. Sadly, probably true. Maybe he will invent...uh, excuse me...cognize an Eating Like A Raja game, in which you as Raja have to wave your WII at the screen (and by WII I am definitely referring to the controller for the game platform of that name, not anything non-Vedic) to select which of the seven meals prepared for you tonight to eat, and which to throw away. That would certainly be a good educational program for children. :-) I've gotta figure that some Indian programmers have all the code ready for the Mahabharata Game, it is tailor made for serious gaming. They are probably just waiting on the financing to roll it out. A series on the Puranas would be so cool. Perhaps the young uns in India want Tour of Duty instead. That would be a real loss of the tradition in my book. It all just writes itself. You pick your Istideva in the beginning and follow their limitations and power through the game. Or maybe a Holy Tradition game where you have to get past the naked perv Shukadeva before he flashes you with his virtuously unused wiener. Hey maybe we should be working on a cyber temple site where you can make offerings to a linghum or whatever online. I can so see Grannie Patel sitting in front of a laptop with a candle in her hand and a wax proof cover for the keyboard. Unfortunately the Indians who would go for it are not into computers and the people into computers are into porn. Hard to beat the live cams on slave girls sites for viewer eyeballs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extraordinary Results from Course on Vedic Physiology
What a good idea - I like the price, and it appears it is open to non-TM practitioners too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Maharishi's Global Family Chat Summary December 3, 2011 Extraordinary Results from Course on Vedic Physiology A course to align oneself with the Veda, Total Natural Law, has become an extraordinary success. [Dr Alarik] Early this year Dr. Morris suggested to Drs Alarik and Cynthia Arenander that they design a course based on Maharaja's discovery that the human physiology is the expression of Veda. The course they created is entitled `The Individual is Cosmic'. The central feature is an electronic model, which Maharishi designed and refined over many years, to demonstrate the correspondences between the verses of Rik Ved and aspects of the human physiology. The model, developed by the Ministry of Health of the Global Country of World Peace, shows the physiology, and the relevant part lights up and blinks when the corresponding verses of the Veda are recited. [Model] Extraordinary results The first course was offered in June, and participants had such unexpected and excellent results that more and more people have joined each course and now the 8th course is about to start. Many people just keep attending as many courses as they can, as the experience of healing and growth of consciousness just keep on improving. A course participant wrote, `I am amazed at how quickly my health disorders just poof disappeared! I have worked on my health for years. Imagine, now having something that is so easy, quick, enjoyable and long lasting. What a great gift to humanity! It is the future in health care coming to us NOW! Thank you Maharishi, Maharaja and the Health Ministry.' [Group] How does it work? The course includes both intellectual understanding and experience of Vedic recitations. Dr Arenander gave a brilliant explanation of how the evolutionary, healing effects are generated. When awareness settles, it becomes Self-referral, and the innate intelligence of the body, which is Veda, is enlivened. All possibilities are enlivened in the memory of order in Veda, which is the internal structure of the Self. This is `self-repair mechanism'the order does it itself. Veda, Total Natural Law, gives rise to the DNA as the perfect expression of Total Natural Law, which in turn gives rise to the physiology. When through daily living some `dust' collectsstress or disorder accumulatesand the physiology no longer functions according to the original design, then we can return to the Veda to reset it. Maharishi called this `Putting Atma to practice'. The Vedic recitation enlivens the perfect sequential expression of DNA and physiology. What you see you become Putting our attention on the Vedic sequence creates brainwave coherence and enlivens the genetic sequence of the DNA. When the genes are reset, they in turn reset the physiology to a more ideal and healthy functioning. This is the physiological reality of the Vedic saying `What you see you become'. Available in Europe this month At the end of December Drs Arenander will begin a tour of Europe: MERU, Holland 27 to 31 December United Kingdom 6 to 9 January Italy 14 and 15 January Spain 17 to 22 January Turkey 23 to 29 January Everyone is welcome, including non-meditators. Apply early for the MERU course by email at: courses@... https://mail.google.com/mail/h/koodde1z53jk/?v=bcs=whto=courses@maha\ rishi.net or at http://www.globalcountrycourses.com/events/winter/index.php#assembly http://www.globalcountrycourses.com/events/winter/index.php#assembly For the national courses please book through your national office.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Released: Early Book by Maharishi Out of Print For Over 40 Years
Cool story Curtis - I was wondering if the newly released book was 'sanitized' too. I like the idea of a compendium of his writing - all of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: I have fond memories of that book. It was pieced together from small SRM pamphlets. I have a few copies of them somewhere. I would be curious to see if they edited the material at all from the original. I first read it when I was 10 years old on Nantucket Island while on vacation with my parents. That would have been 1967. My brother bought the book as an excuse to hide on the beach and smoke cigarettes away from my parents at age 15. I don't believe I got through the whole thing then and am sure he didn't. It sat in my brother's bookshelf till I found it at age 16 right before I started. It's spine was riddled with the bbs holes that marked most of the book spines in his bookshelf, but I still have the copy in my Maharishi stuff box. I really would be curious if they left it alone or messed with it like they did Hermit in the House. When I was at MIU I had a chance to read through a bunch of transcripts of talks Maharishi gave in India in the early 60's. It included some wacky stuff including entering another body if yours wears out so you can continue your yoga. It is far from the sanitized Maharishi teaching they present today including his wacky two nervous systems ideas. But it would be nice if they were more honest about his actual teaching and how it progressed through his life, published it all and let people choose for themselves what they think. I have no skin in the game now but if I was still involved I would be really pissed to still be denied access to his full teaching. Glad you posted this Nabby. I remember how exotic and authoritative it all sounded back in 1975 when I started TM. The initiators of my course did not appreciate my questions based on my knowledge from the book before starting, I do remember that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: [Transcendental Meditation with Questions and Answers] Transcendental Meditation with Questions and Answers By Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Softcover, 168 pages Published in 2011 This beautiful and charming book is being released after more than 40 years being out-of-print. It consists of two parts. Part One is a talk on Transcendental Meditation given by Maharishi from March 1960 to mid 1961, when Maharishi held evening discourses in London, England. Part Two consists of questions addressed to Maharishi by audiences attending his lectures and the answers given by Maharishi. Topics Include: How All Things Have Their Origin in Absolute Bliss Consciousness The Cure for Suffering The Way to Realisation through the Absolute Consciousness Bliss-Attribute of the Divine The Development of Higher Consciousness Unfoldment of Latent Faculties The Ultimate Goal of Transcendental Meditation Timeless Tradition of Knowledge On Faith and Religion and God Realisation MantraA Specific Sound and Its Value The Role of an Enlightened Master (Teacher or Guide) There is an ever-increasing state of chaos in the world; tension increases daily in the individual, in social life, in national affairs, and international relations. The great and urgent need is for something to re-establish harmony in the individual human being and to give him peace; only from such an inner peace can wisdom and happiness be born. All that we call wisdom today, all knowledge, the whole process of endless fact-gathering must utterly fail to satisfy the real needs of man; for these real needs are called happiness, understanding, and wisdom, and they are not vain and unworldly aspirations but man's birthright. - Maharishi, 1961, London Price: $19.95 Item# TMQA
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extraordinary Results from Course on Vedic Physiology
I'll probably hack my own version together at some point. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: What a good idea - I like the price, and it appears it is open to non-TM practitioners too. Jepp, you'll have no problems attending this Jim :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sattvic horror movies I'm looking forward to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: snip He had cognized mantras, but also various herbal formulas and a system of acupuncture. People said the stoned wheat pizza crust he threw was to die for, and that '66 Vette that he roared around in was the shnizzit! Four on the floor baby! It was said he could frikkin' say your name backwards and you'd never be bothered by horseflies again, ever, in your entire life. He once built a 1/10 scale replica of the Bahrain Hilton in his backyard, out of toothpicks - no glue, just balancing, and then to show the impermanence of matter, blew it away in seconds while chanting '...dontpaddlememum...' or something like that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Released: Early Book by Maharishi Out of Print For Over 40 Years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Cool story Curtis - I was wondering if the newly released book was 'sanitized' too. I like the idea of a compendium of his writing - all of it. I was wrong about the dates, this book came our in 68 so it must have been then or maybe as late as 69 when I first tried to read it. I can't imagine the movement being open with all his material which is too bad because the people who would care aren't getting any younger. The access I had was all hush hush and my library connection was completely paranoid about letting me read it all. Some of it reads as if Maharishi was just telling stories to keep people on the course back then. Then there are supposed to be tapes Maharishi made without an audience. What a shame that they wont see the light of day for people into his teaching. If they were all on disks there could be a massive volunteer project to at least go through them and put them into search categories. **Yeah, too bad. Maybe it gets done at some point. When I see how cavalier the movement is about his teaching it reinforces my opinion that there really is no there there. He was just an intro lecture spouting machine, cranking out the basics again and again and again and again... I often had that feeling on TTC through the hours of tapes. **Ah, the hours of tape. yep. Many years ago, I bought some cassette tapes (remember those?) of Maharishi's sort of all time fave talks, and last listened to them about five years ago, and was surprised that they were ok. Not worth endless repetition, but nonetheless, original and held my interest for the most part. I have some VHS tapes of him too. I always enjoy seeing the audience shots from the 70's, the guys wearing the maroon sport jackets and striped ties, before it all went to creme, with 'stache, and hair sorta long but not really. Then with granny dresses, long straight hair and oval rim glasses, the women all looking pretty and invisible. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I have fond memories of that book. It was pieced together from small SRM pamphlets. I have a few copies of them somewhere. I would be curious to see if they edited the material at all from the original. I first read it when I was 10 years old on Nantucket Island while on vacation with my parents. That would have been 1967. My brother bought the book as an excuse to hide on the beach and smoke cigarettes away from my parents at age 15. I don't believe I got through the whole thing then and am sure he didn't. It sat in my brother's bookshelf till I found it at age 16 right before I started. It's spine was riddled with the bbs holes that marked most of the book spines in his bookshelf, but I still have the copy in my Maharishi stuff box. I really would be curious if they left it alone or messed with it like they did Hermit in the House. When I was at MIU I had a chance to read through a bunch of transcripts of talks Maharishi gave in India in the early 60's. It included some wacky stuff including entering another body if yours wears out so you can continue your yoga. It is far from the sanitized Maharishi teaching they present today including his wacky two nervous systems ideas. But it would be nice if they were more honest about his actual teaching and how it progressed through his life, published it all and let people choose for themselves what they think. I have no skin in the game now but if I was still involved I would be really pissed to still be denied access to his full teaching. Glad you posted this Nabby. I remember how exotic and authoritative it all sounded back in 1975 when I started TM. The initiators of my course did not appreciate my questions based on my knowledge from the book before starting, I do remember that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: [Transcendental Meditation with Questions and Answers] Transcendental Meditation with Questions and Answers By Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Softcover, 168 pages Published in 2011 This beautiful and charming book is being released after more than 40 years being out-of-print. It consists of two parts. Part One is a talk on Transcendental Meditation given by Maharishi from March 1960 to mid 1961, when Maharishi held evening discourses in London, England. Part Two consists of questions addressed to Maharishi by audiences attending his lectures and the answers given by Maharishi. Topics Include: How All Things Have Their Origin in Absolute Bliss Consciousness The Cure for Suffering The Way to Realisation through
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Center in Lancaster for sale - article
They may still own the Livingston Manor property in upstate New York, and the Waverly, MO property near Kansas City. Also South Fallsburg, NY. There was a sidhaland in Florida, and they still have a center or two in the DC area. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: It is a lovely and grand old estate with terrific trees on the property. It is now run down, altho usable and charming. The TMO redid many bathrooms. From photograghs I have seen, I believe that there is still the same flowery, pretty carpeting throughout that was installed by the TMO nearly 26 years ago when Deepak had offices there. Probably costs a fortune to heat it in winter. So the TMO owns very little in the US now. MUM and what else? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.telegram.com/article/20111207/NEWS/112079969/1237
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
Hi Robin, It may be that all of what you see in Ravi is accurate, and I am neither out to castigate or judge him in any way. I suppose I could have deconstructed it and said that in terms of a cost/benefit analysis, Ravi's point failed. He was being a dick. Doesn't mean he always is, or that I now dislike him. None of that, but if we want to keep analyzing the one post, I always and easily reach the same conclusion about it, in an entirely accepting way. It adds to my impression of Ravi is all. He is over it, and I am too. Haven't you ever acted like a dick? Its a great learning experience, often inadvertent, and nothing particularly wrong with it, as long as it is not used as a routine method of interaction. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hi Robin, you said,...we are once again in the dilemma of attempting to come up with a version of truth which is at least equal to whatever truth was behind Ravi's intoxicated and violent desecrations. What Ravi struck in certain people became the motivational basisalbeit unconsciousfor their retaliation, and their assumption of having, as a consensus began to develop, dealt him a death blow. I had no such dilemma. I get along well with Ravi - whatever else he is, he's no bullshit, wide open. However the target of one of his rants is someone who I don't think warranted the frontal assault as I called it. It is my opinion and I can appreciate anyone else feeling the reverse. However it was a clear cut and simple reaction on my part, and there was no dilemma or larger metaphysical reality being confronted. Ravi was being a dick. Doesn't make him a bad guy, but I wanted to mention it. I am kind of amazed at the traction around it all though. RESPONSE: I understand what you are saying here, whynotnow. Of course, given your response, you genuinely felt Ravi was being a dick. But you see, you never explained why you thought Ravi was being a dick*in this sense*: you never attempted to get behind what Ravi was doing, what his intention was, the extent to which he was drawing upon some rather personal and intuitive intimacy with the person to whom he was addressing. You took his languageand I admit it was offensive, transgressive in the extremeand made that the issue. In order to reach the conclusionor even have the pure sensationthat Ravi was being a dickyou have to make the case that his dickness overwhelmed whatever sincere attempt Ravi was making to provoke, confront, arouse the other person. I don't know Ravi's relationship to anyone at FFL; I have come too late to pick up on this. But I did recognize, in each one of Ravi's profane and scurrilous posts, that he was creating a sense of knowingness of the specific person he was writing to which could either be ignored (because it failed to hit the mark), or could be denied (because it didn't hit the mark), or could be argued against (because it didn't hit the mark). As it wasor so it played this way for me, who still does not know the persons on FFL as well as you do, and as well, presumably, as Ravi doesthe persons who were the subject of Ravi's attack (and in particular the person to whom you are referring)did not choose *to meet Ravi on the ground of his abuse and violation*. If you felt Ravi did wrong, then you should havein my opiniondeconstructed his post by showing that the context of offensiveness created by his language overshadowed and made irrelevant whatever he was trying to do or say. My conclusion was, whynotnow, that Ravi intended to produce the exact reaction that he got; and in that sense he, not the rest of us, was vindicated. Now I suppose you will want to argue with what I have said here. But please understand me, whynotnow: I experienced (without the requisite factual knowledge that presumably other persons are privy to, including the target of Ravi's appeal/provocation) that Ravi was determined to disarm and disorient the person he was talking to; and I felt, in the subsequent response of each person who had been selected as the target for one of his rants, that no one took Ravi down the way he should have been taken down if the issue was, in the final analysis, the one which everyone seemed to reach an agreement about: Ravi is crazy, rude, immature, insensitive, deluded and so on. I don't think Raviassuming he has some level of real sanity and rationality to himfelt that *any* comment made about him which was critical, in any way went to the issues he was trying to raise in his spectacularly abusive posts. You see, whynotnow, it all comes down to this: I believe that Raviand I don't pretend to understand him except as a sort of phenomenon: the person Ravi escapes my comprehension perfectlywent deeper, took more chances, was more self-controlled even
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Center in Lancaster for sale - article
Yeah, that's right -- I heard that too, but had forgotten. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of whynotnow7 Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:35 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Center in Lancaster for sale - article They may still own the Livingston Manor property in upstate New York, and the Waverly, MO property near Kansas City. Also South Fallsburg, NY. I believe S. Fallsburg was sold to the Muktananda group many years ago. Too bad Mark Merideth (BooLives) is no longer with us. He was good at ferreting out these things. There was a sidhaland in Florida, and they still have a center or two in the DC area. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Susan wayback71@ wrote: It is a lovely and grand old estate with terrific trees on the property. It is now run down, altho usable and charming. The TMO redid many bathrooms. From photograghs I have seen, I believe that there is still the same flowery, pretty carpeting throughout that was installed by the TMO nearly 26 years ago when Deepak had offices there. Probably costs a fortune to heat it in winter. So the TMO owns very little in the US now. MUM and what else? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.telegram.com/article/20111207/NEWS/112079969/1237 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4665 - Release Date: 12/07/11
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi How the FUCK are ya?
Aw, that's mean, Rick, but maybe if Edg has insomnia it will put him to sleep quickly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Edg, required watching: David Wants to Fly http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-fly http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-fly From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:38 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi How the FUCK are ya? Vaj, I haven't seen the film. But, yeah, the brainwashing at MSAE was there, but not extra-there. It was about the same as any other parochial school with an agenda to push besides reading, writing and arithmetic. Maharishi, Pope, same deal. I was okay with it, because I actively engaged all my children about philosophy -- regularly, daily. I wasn't allowing any movement creep to abuse them for not being sycophants. We'd talk about how those who are not yet enlightened can make mistakes and that we have to put up with this until everyone evolves out of their pettiness. Like that. It was only after decades that it became impossible to spin the fact that all the dweebs and cretins and power-mongers and evangelists who had holed up in movement niches were NOT evolving any faster and all the results of TM for all of us were results from evolving merely due to the normal aging processes. Period. Try waking up to that and having four kids you've mindfully put into the system. Well, they all survived it, but I can't look them in the eye about it. Shoulda shoulda shouldathat's me. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 7, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Duveyoung wrote: What was I thinking? I mean, right there in the first lecture, the guy giving it was obviously not a golden child striding the world and solving problems everywhere. He was a wimp, reading out of the Science of Being and the Art of Living, and an obvious lover of cucumber sandwiches. Yeah, whoa, what a glorious spiritual leader this guy was. Gunna take me to the promise land. I bought it. Edg I thought of you when I watched David Wants to Fly for the first time and they showed the kids at the Marshy School of the Age of Enlightenment singing some sing-song SCI lullaby. I had to wonder your reaction when you saw it - or was that something (this brainwashing of the innocents) that you were already well aware of? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4665 - Release Date: 12/07/11
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
It looks valid enough. There is kind of that 20 second or so sneak peek at the end. Looks like it has to be done in a group. $85 is very reasonable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Well, $85 is rather inexpensive. Good for the TMO not to overcharge!!! Hope it really works for people. I always liked the parallels between the cosmic and the individual physiology. And in response to Barry, yes, sometimes placebos do work - at least for a while and more often with certain types of problems (pain). There is an interesting article in this week's New Yorker about placebos and the research being done at Harvard on the whole area. Well, if I were out there, I would spring for this course. Sounds at the least sweet, and perhaps really powerful. And since I love all the astronomy and universe/multiverse/black holes info and photos and concepts then this will at least feed into that fascination. Did MMY himself develop this with Rajaram? Or is this really Rajaram's invention? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: Waht does the new course cost? AS an aside, this is rather amzing that a new course is being offered. they are expanidn gon the MMY's TM and siddhis -a new step. It could also be that they need the income from this course. I would love to see an official description of it and how it all works. Your info is always welcome, but I can't really figure out what this is all about from your description and the way you write. $85. Here is an intro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSMrAB4vV_c The Individual is Cosmic: Experience the Beautiful Electronic Model of Vedic Physiology --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Dear Turq, Yep, the thing that I heard that was interesting was the positioning of the 'Ved and Physiology' course, which is taught as a continuing education course, as a technique. It is a technique that is practiced like a guided meditation, a mindfulness meditative process that effectively clears and turns on the subtle energetic system. In presentation it blends sci-ency and vedic terminology. They don't use the term, 'chakra' but that is what they are working on. They are catching up to where so much of the meditating community has gone on to otherwise. To me this was interesting in the 'post-founder era' in that they can now proceed in a progressive way towards offering a teaching as developed spiritual technique. It is a blending of sciency and vedic TM nomenclature. As a course it has been piloted on campus here, at Vlodrop and movement facilities. Bevan at the lecture mentioned that over 200 have taken the course here. Taking the course features an electronic audio-visual gizmo which Nadaraam and Maharishi devised that leads the meditation through the physiology. It is good, it will ground a lot of people in their subtle system bodies and probably improve a lot of health in people who can be bright on their top registers but dull and not hardly embodied otherwise. It provides something spiritually that was missing for TM virgins that will be good. It is highly amusing that it is a mindfulness kind of process. It is the thing to take on campus right now. People are repeating it, taking it two and three times more, for the experiential component of meditating with the audio-visual guidance. FFL, -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Sounds really good - glad you were able to go. Yep, I have to thank Raja John Hagelin for granting me an exemption to attend the meeting. It was very nice . Thank you for providing this information, Buck. I was going to ask how someone who was recently turned down for a dome pass got to attend. And I'm happy that you *got* to attend, if you found it valuable or meaningful. Really. But, that said, was there anything *in particular* he said that resonated with you? You are often WAY too vague on this forum. Just as I'd like to see King Tony deal with a real world audience for once, I'd like to see you get real with us for once and tell us what still gets you off about the TM dogma.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi How the FUCK are ya?
Hey, stop that feste! Facts have NO PLACE among these prejudices!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 7, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Duveyoung wrote: What was I thinking? I mean, right there in the first lecture, the guy giving it was obviously not a golden child striding the world and solving problems everywhere. He was a wimp, reading out of the Science of Being and the Art of Living, and an obvious lover of cucumber sandwiches. Yeah, whoa, what a glorious spiritual leader this guy was. Gunna take me to the promise land. I bought it. Edg I thought of you when I watched David Wants to Fly for the first time and they showed the kids at the Marshy School of the Age of Enlightenment singing some sing-song SCI lullaby. I had to wonder your reaction when you saw it - or was that something (this brainwashing of the innocents) that you were already well aware of? MSAE Achievements from 2010 - 2011 School Year 1 National Merit Scholar Eastern Iowa Science and Engineering Fair (EISEF) 40 Top Awards State Science and Technology Fair of Iowa, 14 Top awards: Overall Senior High Team Reserve Champions and Senior High Semi-Finalists 3 First Place Awards 4 Second Place awards 3 Third Place Awards Iowa Energy Center award Intel Excellence in Computer Science Award Top National and International Science Awards: Water Environment Federation: U.S. Stokholm Junior Prize 4th Place International Intel Science and Engineering Fair Gold and Bronze Medals at International Sustainable World Energy Engineering Environment Project Olympiad Iowa Poetry Association: Honorable Mention, published work in Lyric Iowa 2011 Iowa Destination ImagiNation Competition: Five First Place Awards Global Destination Imagination Competition, creative problem solving competition: Fourth and Fifth Place Southeast Iowa Super Conference Art Competition: Nine Top Awards, âBest of Show Congressional Art Competition: Honorable Mention Tennis Class 1-A Runner-up State Champion
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
Hi Bob, I did not try to cyber lynch Ravi, so please include me with Oboe and the others. RD has been on here a long time and Ravi's stuff didn't fit the object of his rant, however well intentioned. As for the implication to us all through the video clip, I grew up with brown people, not whiteys. I lived mostly in SE Asia until I was 19. They raised me. I spoke the languages of Indonesia, the Philippines and Hong Kong. Thankfully the last two were primarily English, with a smattering of Tagalog and Cantonese. Also lived in Mexico, Spain, Fiji, and Surinam. So no big deal about Ravi having a really, really good tan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: RD, Since the *attempted* cyber lynching appears to be all but over, except for the clean up, I have a couple of questions for you below; From: raunchydog raunchydog@... Hi Robin, RD: I really don't know Ravi very well at all. I haven't read his posts with much interest except to notice that he has had some enjoyable back and forth banter with Denise/Emily and Bob Price. My initial experience of Ravi was about a year ago when he got into such a depressive state that we had extensive discussions about his mental health and concern that he might commit suicide. Since then I see that he has come back from the brink but rightly or wrongly, I still see him as an unstable individual with the potential to go off the rails again. Given his history, I think Alex's explanation for what might have happened with Ravi in the past seems to ring true. ***BP: Do I understand correctly that the reason you *attempted* to provoke Ravi was your concern for his mental stability? Do I also understand correctly that the *attempted* lynching of Raja Ravi Yogi, by pretty much all of FFL (excluding Judy, Edg and Oboe) was also out of concern for his mental health; and we should ignore the fact that the *attempted* lynching was lead by those paragons of emotional maturity Curtis and Bubbles? In addition, the stated fact: I really don't know Ravi very well at all. is no barrier to your meditation or an accurate diagnosis of his mental state, and further, being the trained mental health professionals that you and the Alex must so obviously be, the two of you had no doubt that provoking him was the high road to his recovery? I want to thank you for clearing that up; I'm a bit slow; I had thought it was that the two of you were being passive aggressive and working on some issues, and Ravi, as always, was more than happy to help you out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgKXK9giPYQfeature=related Alex: I can see why many traditions of awakening get the samskara/vasana inner work out of the way before awakening, because once sole identity with the I/me story is broken, it is tempting to disregard the story as unimportant and let it act out messily. Also, for people with serious mental health issues, nondual awakening can make matters worse. ***BP: I'm sure I'm wrong about this; on the off chance Raja Ravi Yogi was using closet and Mother Teresa as a metaphors for ignorance and hypocrisy respectively, would it be fair to interpret yours and Alex's posts as *attempts*, to provoke Ravi; and having the heart of a lion, in a herd of zebras, he accommodated you?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLFi9Xd7yys RDOG: As long as Ravi isn't threatening to do himself in, I don't make any claims to know the nature of his present mental stability. I'm just circumspect about it. ***BP: Since most of us didn't know Raja Ravi Yogi was attempting to off himself (including Ravi) the fact that you and the Alex have his back, will make all of us rest much easier. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l81W-jcOuj0 RDOG: Ravi claims he is enlightened. I don't know what that means to him or to anyone else. We all have a POV about it. Maybe I'm misjudging him, or just plain don't understand him but I get the feeling that he thinks his enlightenment gives him a pass to be Mr. Natural of inhibitions. I don't know if anyone's perception of him as enlightened has any bearing on how they choose to interact with him. Regardless, IMO it shouldn't be an excuse to treat him with deference or give him a pass if he chooses to be an asshole. ***BP: This one caught my attention as it seems to be going viral (think recent posts from Rick, Curtis and Bubbles), is there any training needed to be able to measure another persons state of consciousness, or motivation, for that matter? If so, I'm thinking we need an inspector certification to avoid people running around making claims that cannot be substantiated (you know, things like: I was just kidding; he over reacted, because my feelings are hurt---that sort of thing); I'm thinking ISO 666 would be catchy, since most of 9000 is gone. We
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rare video of Robin and Ravi on YouTube
Thanks for the clarification, RD. You seem normal and friendly and thoughtful, so I am taken aback at this all out frontal assault on you. My original reaction to Ravi was something along the lines of please point that thing somewhere else. :-) Anyway glad to have you here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I just don't get it, I guess. Must've come in after the movie started :-) You haven't missed the movie, Jim. We're still in the middle of the cartoon. Just to bring you up to speed, Ravi's still mad, because according to seventhray1 Steve, I cleaned his clock. If you're interested you can follow the thread: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297010 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297014 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297021 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297022 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297188 RD strikes back: Gay Couples get married in India is red meat for Ravi. Will he bite? Obviously, he thought the link to India's third sex was delicious. It set him off on such a righteous rant about hijras, Gandhi, liberals and commies, he must have shot off a gigantic wad for all the jerking off he did about it. Ravi, the self-proclaimed narcissistic asshole, says he's enlightened. I wouldn't want him to have a hissy fit, so I won't say I doubt him. It's just that perhaps his standards aren't very high if he has me confused with Mother Theresa. Let's see...what else gets Ravi's panties in a twist? Oh yeah. Alex and Tom are gay. Tom? Unless Ravi claims he gave him a blow job, I'd say he's just making that up. Amazingly, he just figured out that Alex is out of the closet. Hello? Now that he's discovered a new best gay friend, he's all aflutter posting videos for Alex. Why do I get the feeling he's trying to get a date? Hey, Alex, Ravi probably isn't your type but you do have something in common. You both like pussies. Holy Shit Cats! http://youtu.be/5hjoDOnzr5s http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297222 seventhray1 jumps in: I'd say Ravi just got his clock cleaned. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297227 Ravi can dish is out but he can't take it, so he goes on a rant fantasy about RD giving him blow jobs: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297267 And Mother Theresa giving him blow jobs: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297268 seventhray1 jumps in: Do you think you'll get the reaction you want with this post Rav? To say it's in poor taste, doesn't quite do it. I'll go on record saying I think you should be given a one week hiatus. Rick? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297284 seventhray1 jumps in: I think Ravi is missing some of the subtleties of western culture. He equates his use of the word blowjob with Raunchy's and doesn't seem to see any difference. Raunchy is Mack the Knife. Ravi is Chainsaw Massacre. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297389 That's it in a nutshell, Jim. I don't know why Ravi is still ranting about blowjobs. Maybe he needs to find another hobby. His antics remind me of my 4-year old little brother gleefully waving his tiny pecker around in hopes I would run shrieking, Ma! Larry is showing his pee-pee again! Can anyone explain why liking Vaj's link put such a bee in his bonnet? Liking Vaj's link has nothing to do with liking Vaj. Or maybe it was the too close to home Robin and Ravi thang? Thin-skinned, overreaction, perhaps? Regardless, it was a funny video.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
Its really pretty easy to just disregard the whole enlightenment issue here. If anyone, in any state of awareness goes over the line and is perceived by the group here as annoying or insulting, what does their awareness have to do with it? Its apples and oranges. No one is more or less responsible because of their state of awareness. An asshole is an asshole and a nice person is just that. Trying to tie any behavior to someone's state of consciousness is like tying it to their skin color, or sexual preference. Now perhaps Ravi, having set himself up as some sort of yogic teacher or expressed that desire anyway is more vulnerable to the claims here that if a person is enlightened, self-realized, awakened, AND a teacher, they can't just get up in anyone's face with the excuse that the universe made me do it. But really it boils down to group dynamics, exclusive of someone's perceived, expressed, or imagined state of consciousness. If someone is being a jerk, it gets back to them, and I personally don't think the Universe much cares how enlightened they are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I don't like it either, Curtis. I don't generally engage in such rank personal attacks. I agree it stinks up the place. Maybe if I were enlightened, I wouldn't have a hint of conscience about it. I would simply disown responsibility for my actions and claim, as Ravi does, the existence made me do it. It looks to me like crazy wisdom has shifted from spiritually realized people behaving eccentrically to assholes acting out and justifying it as somehow being spiritual. Which is not to say that complete assholes can't have amazing realization. Adi Franklin Bubba Free Da John Jones Samraj could very well have been highly realized, but as a human being, he was very dysfunctional and acted out in ways that were highly inappropriate. I can see why many traditions of awakening get the samskara/vasana inner work out of the way before awakening, because once sole identity with the I/me story is broken, it is tempting to disregard the story as unimportant and let it act out messily. Also, for people with serious mental health issues, nondual awakening can make matters worse.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
The thing about enlightenment is that it grows from the inside out. A person can be experiencing total, completely restful, surging bliss within, but until that is fully integrated with the outer world, including thoughts and emotions, things can look very different from the outside, looking in. Then integration starts to happen, and the contrast between the overwhelming blissful freedom within, and the day to day existence lessens and merges, so that an appreciation and richness now infuses the outer world, and the inner radiance exists to serve, enjoy and appreciate that, rather than being lost in the inner cosmic paradise all of the time. Or, so I've heard... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I don't like it either, Curtis. I don't generally engage in such rank personal attacks. I agree it stinks up the place. Maybe if I were enlightened, I wouldn't have a hint of conscience about it. I would simply disown responsibility for my actions and claim, as Ravi does, the existence made me do it. By the way, nice to see you back. Bah! Yet another example of CC.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
Could be, though that again raises the point -- Are we reacting to Ravi's behavior, regardless, or trying to set this up as a teachable moment in which we align Ravi's behavior with an assumption about his consciousness, or his mental health? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of whynotnow7 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:42 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi Its really pretty easy to just disregard the whole enlightenment issue here. If anyone, in any state of awareness goes over the line and is perceived by the group here as annoying or insulting, what does their awareness have to do with it? Its apples and oranges. No one is more or less responsible because of their state of awareness. An asshole is an asshole and a nice person is just that. Trying to tie any behavior to someone's state of consciousness is like tying it to their skin color, or sexual preference. Now perhaps Ravi, having set himself up as some sort of yogic teacher or expressed that desire anyway is more vulnerable to the claims here that if a person is enlightened, self-realized, awakened, AND a teacher, they can't just get up in anyone's face with the excuse that the universe made me do it. But really it boils down to group dynamics, exclusive of someone's perceived, expressed, or imagined state of consciousness. If someone is being a jerk, it gets back to them, and I personally don't think the Universe much cares how enlightened they are. I think that a partial awakening prior to significant diminishing of ego and working out of its quirks can intoxicate and aggrandize the ego, magnifying its faults. One may feel exempted from personal responsibility, since from their perspective, personhood seems to no longer be running the show. Or as Alex put it, it is tempting to disregard the story as unimportant and let it act out messily. Also, for people with serious mental health issues, nondual awakening can make matters worse. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I don't like it either, Curtis. I don't generally engage in such rank personal attacks. I agree it stinks up the place. Maybe if I were enlightened, I wouldn't have a hint of conscience about it. I would simply disown responsibility for my actions and claim, as Ravi does, the existence made me do it. It looks to me like crazy wisdom has shifted from spiritually realized people behaving eccentrically to assholes acting out and justifying it as somehow being spiritual. Which is not to say that complete assholes can't have amazing realization. Adi Franklin Bubba Free Da John Jones Samraj could very well have been highly realized, but as a human being, he was very dysfunctional and acted out in ways that were highly inappropriate. I can see why many traditions of awakening get the samskara/vasana inner work out of the way before awakening, because once sole identity with the I/me story is broken, it is tempting to disregard the story as unimportant and let it act out messily. Also, for people with serious mental health issues, nondual awakening can make matters worse. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4660 - Release Date: 12/06/11
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
Yeah, as my wife says, Everyone thinks they are a better driver than they are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of whynotnow7 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi Could be, though that again raises the point -- Are we reacting to Ravi's behavior, regardless, or trying to set this up as a teachable moment in which we align Ravi's behavior with an assumption about his consciousness, or his mental health? In my case, the latter. I'm interested in the correlation between various stages of awakening and behavior, and also in the common tendency for people to assume they are more (or less) enlightened than they actually are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of whynotnow7 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:42 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi Its really pretty easy to just disregard the whole enlightenment issue here. If anyone, in any state of awareness goes over the line and is perceived by the group here as annoying or insulting, what does their awareness have to do with it? Its apples and oranges. No one is more or less responsible because of their state of awareness. An asshole is an asshole and a nice person is just that. Trying to tie any behavior to someone's state of consciousness is like tying it to their skin color, or sexual preference. Now perhaps Ravi, having set himself up as some sort of yogic teacher or expressed that desire anyway is more vulnerable to the claims here that if a person is enlightened, self-realized, awakened, AND a teacher, they can't just get up in anyone's face with the excuse that the universe made me do it. But really it boils down to group dynamics, exclusive of someone's perceived, expressed, or imagined state of consciousness. If someone is being a jerk, it gets back to them, and I personally don't think the Universe much cares how enlightened they are. I think that a partial awakening prior to significant diminishing of ego and working out of its quirks can intoxicate and aggrandize the ego, magnifying its faults. One may feel exempted from personal responsibility, since from their perspective, personhood seems to no longer be running the show. Or as Alex put it, it is tempting to disregard the story as unimportant and let it act out messily. Also, for people with serious mental health issues, nondual awakening can make matters worse. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: I don't like it either, Curtis. I don't generally engage in such rank personal attacks. I agree it stinks up the place. Maybe if I were enlightened, I wouldn't have a hint of conscience about it. I would simply disown responsibility for my actions and claim, as Ravi does, the existence made me do it. It looks to me like crazy wisdom has shifted from spiritually realized people behaving eccentrically to assholes acting out and justifying it as somehow being spiritual. Which is not to say that complete assholes can't have amazing realization. Adi Franklin Bubba Free Da John Jones Samraj could very well have been highly realized, but as a human being, he was very dysfunctional and acted out in ways that were highly inappropriate. I can see why many traditions of awakening get the samskara/vasana inner work out of the way before awakening, because once sole identity with the I/me story is broken, it is tempting to disregard the story as unimportant and let it act out messily. Also, for people with serious mental health issues, nondual awakening can make matters worse. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4660 - Release Date: 12/06/11 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4660 - Release Date: 12/06/11
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
Once about every six months you say something I can agree with, and you said it here: A lot of the enlightened just don't measure up to the hype about enlightenment IMO. Just sayin'. Yes. EXACTLY - There Is SO MUCH HYPE About It, that it makes a normal conversation about it almost impossible. Talk about preconceptions. Probably only second to everyone's assumptions about death. Enlightenment grows from within. When it is apparent, its f*ckin' obvious, and if it isn't that is obvious too. But it doesn't do anything, anymore than we do anything when we wake up in the morning. It just happens as the result of an intent desire. People who are awake inside, having taken root in silence, for the first time in their endless progression of life, like to make it known at first. Released from prison! Oh my god! Everything falls away, unravels. Sometimes the unraveling takes place awkwardly, but if the person is true to their silence within, the awkward stage doesn't last very long, and then on to the next adventure; deeper silence. Enlightenment blossoms as an internal process though. Aside from some sadhana, there really isn't much monkey see, monkey do in all of it. Not much value in aping someone else's behavior, or attempting to judge it any further than is it likable or not. Everyone's gotta live their life still. No one gets out of here alive and all that. We somehow end up with this highly distorted story of what Enlightenment is, and how the Enlightened are supposed to act, speak and think. Let's do ourselves a favor and just drop it - basically a road to nowhere. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of whynotnow7 Could be, though that again raises the point -- Are we reacting to Ravi's behavior, regardless, or trying to set this up as a teachable moment in which we align Ravi's behavior with an assumption about his consciousness, or his mental health? In my case, the latter. I'm interested in the correlation between various stages of awakening and behavior, and also in the common tendency for people to assume they are more (or less) enlightened than they actually are. Well said. Especially coming from someone who has arguably sat down (either in person or via Skype) with more of the self-proclaimed enlightened than anyone else on this forum, or anywhere else, for that matter. More? Less? Even just making par. A lot of the enlightened just don't measure up to the hype about enlightenment IMO. Just sayin'. What's your feeling about it all, Rick, this far into your BATGAP project? I'm honestly curious, and speak as a fan. I think what you're doing is important work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
Unfortunate for me?! As in I should be shocked that (you think) Barry insulted me? Why on earth would I be? Don't you have to go mow the lawn or something?... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Unfortunately for you: your hype might have been part of the hype he was talking about - but I'm pretty sure he meant to say tripe. ;-) On Dec 6, 2011, at 6:02 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: Once about every six months you say something I can agree with, and you said it here: A lot of the enlightened just don't measure up to the hype about enlightenment IMO. Just sayin'. Yes. EXACTLY - There Is SO MUCH HYPE About It, that it makes a normal conversation about it almost impossible. Talk about preconceptions. Probably only second to everyone's assumptions about death. Enlightenment grows from within. When it is apparent, its f*ckin' obvious, and if it isn't that is obvious too. But it doesn't do anything, anymore than we do anything when we wake up in the morning. It just happens as the result of an intent desire. People who are awake inside, having taken root in silence, for the first time in their endless progression of life, like to make it known at first. Released from prison! Oh my god! Everything falls away, unravels. Sometimes the unraveling takes place awkwardly, but if the person is true to their silence within, the awkward stage doesn't last very long, and then on to the next adventure; deeper silence. Enlightenment blossoms as an internal process though. Aside from some sadhana, there really isn't much monkey see, monkey do in all of it. Not much value in aping someone else's behavior, or attempting to judge it any further than is it likable or not. Everyone's gotta live their life still. No one gets out of here alive and all that. We somehow end up with this highly distorted story of what Enlightenment is, and how the Enlightened are supposed to act, speak and think. Let's do ourselves a favor and just drop it - basically a road to nowhere.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
Some of it may be hypocrisy, but I think Barry has called wolf so many times with his gotcha routines that people for the most part just tune him out now. Ravi on the other hand engages people and there's at least something to talk about. Barry is just a tired old man, spinning the same ol' same ol'. He is starting to sound like that Merlin of Exxon guy that shows up every now and again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Could be, though that again raises the point -- Are we reacting to Ravi's behavior, regardless, or trying to set this up as a teachable moment in which we align Ravi's behavior with an assumption about his consciousness, or his mental health? What's interesting to me is that most of Ravi's posts are loving, playful, funny, often even wise, but we freak out when he has a negative outburst and start discussing his mental health, even asking whether he should have freedom of speech or be ejected from the forum. Yet there are others here whose posts are *routinely* negative, whose tone typically is demeaning harshness, to use Curtis's phrase, frequently coldly, calculatingly cruel and hateful, and we seem to have learned to take them in stride, without wondering about the writers' mental health. We had one of those posts this morning, in which the writer not only went to considerable lengths to harshly demean those he calls crazies (i.e., his critics), but actually recommended his own twisted form of censorship by counseling others not to interact with the crazies in order to freeze them out and make them shut up. And there wasn't a peep of objection. Indeed, Curtis emerges from lurkdom to pompously pronounce judgment on Ravi while arrogantly declining to concern himself with the possibility that there may be worse transgressors of the social compact holding forth here. He chastises Ravi for what he perceives to be homophobia, apparently having entirely forgotten the remarks of the negative poster described above intended to insult Robin by suggesting he was gay (not to mention his betrayal of Curtis's confidence by citing something Curtis had said to him in private email that, taken out of context, made Curtis appear to be impugning Robin's sexuality as well). Curtis further fulminates over Ravi's insults to a woman when he has never been upset by the demeaning harshness with which the negative poster treats women he doesn't like. It's fine with Curtis to call a woman a dumb cunt too stupid to live as long as there's no mention of blow jobs. (BTW, Curtis, the word is aplomb, not aplaumb, and it's never used in the plural.) Bob and Obbajeeba are right, the hypocrisy around here is so thick you could cut it with a knife. It makes me physically ill. Thank goodness I have only one more post left this week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
Hi Robin, you said,...we are once again in the dilemma of attempting to come up with a version of truth which is at least equal to whatever truth was behind Ravi's intoxicated and violent desecrations. What Ravi struck in certain people became the motivational basisalbeit unconsciousfor their retaliation, and their assumption of having, as a consensus began to develop, dealt him a death blow. I had no such dilemma. I get along well with Ravi - whatever else he is, he's no bullshit, wide open. However the target of one of his rants is someone who I don't think warranted the frontal assault as I called it. It is my opinion and I can appreciate anyone else feeling the reverse. However it was a clear cut and simple reaction on my part, and there was no dilemma or larger metaphysical reality being confronted. Ravi was being a dick. Doesn't make him a bad guy, but I wanted to mention it. I am kind of amazed at the traction around it all though. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Could be, though that again raises the point -- Are we reacting to Ravi's behavior, regardless, or trying to set this up as a teachable moment in which we align Ravi's behavior with an assumption about his consciousness, or his mental health? What's interesting to me is that most of Ravi's posts are loving, playful, funny, often even wise, but we freak out when he has a negative outburst and start discussing his mental health, even asking whether he should have freedom of speech or be ejected from the forum. Yet there are others here whose posts are *routinely* negative, whose tone typically is demeaning harshness, to use Curtis's phrase, frequently coldly, calculatingly cruel and hateful, and we seem to have learned to take them in stride, without wondering about the writers' mental health. We had one of those posts this morning, in which the writer not only went to considerable lengths to harshly demean those he calls crazies (i.e., his critics), but actually recommended his own twisted form of censorship by counseling others not to interact with the crazies in order to freeze them out and make them shut up. And there wasn't a peep of objection. Indeed, Curtis emerges from lurkdom to pompously pronounce judgment on Ravi while arrogantly declining to concern himself with the possibility that there may be worse transgressors of the social compact holding forth here. He chastises Ravi for what he perceives to be homophobia, apparently having entirely forgotten the remarks of the negative poster described above intended to insult Robin by suggesting he was gay (not to mention his betrayal of Curtis's confidence by citing something Curtis had said to him in private email that, taken out of context, made Curtis appear to be impugning Robin's sexuality as well). Curtis further fulminates over Ravi's insults to a woman when he has never been upset by the demeaning harshness with which the negative poster treats women he doesn't like. It's fine with Curtis to call a woman a dumb cunt too stupid to live as long as there's no mention of blow jobs. (BTW, Curtis, the word is aplomb, not aplaumb, and it's never used in the plural.) Bob and Obbajeeba are right, the hypocrisy around here is so thick you could cut it with a knife. It makes me physically ill. Thank goodness I have only one more post left this week. RESPONSE: Anyone who tries to answer Judy here will necessarily contradict themselves. And by this, I mean that Judy's post holds within itself so much more reality than those posts which have attempted to turn Ravi into a lunatic. Moral intelligencein the context of the metaphysics of postmodernismrequires that we goes as far as we can to open ourselves to the truth, no matter how devastating or hurtful it is to us. The self-righteousness of some FFL posters in the wake of Ravi's uninhibited violations of the privacy of selfhood has re-made reality and would have us make of Ravi that which would enable us to escape from whatever *possible* truths, or semi-truths, he was hitting in his shameless and unabashed style of insult. Judy here has made certain the anaesthetic starts to wear off, so that we are once again in the dilemma of attempting to come up with a version of truth which is at least equal to whatever truth was behind Ravi's intoxicated and violent desecrations. What Ravi struck in certain people became the motivational basisalbeit unconsciousfor their retaliation, and their assumption of having, as a consensus began to develop, dealt him a death blow. Ravi lives; he is the strangest creature I have ever come across. But I think we should alland most everyone of us has been subject to his ecstatic abusesattempt, first of all, to see
[FairfieldLife] Re: !Gambling is Now Okay in the Domes!
Now that the TMO is loosening up a bit, and to get a better flavor for the Movement's current cultural sensibilities, I felt it was important to go straight to the source, the man, the myth, the magnificent, Raja Ram! So I prepared some questions for him, so that the next time you, or someone else runs into him, they could perhaps get some answers? I feel these carefully chosen questions will then reveal the cultural biases of the Movement, serving as key data points as the TMO charts its way forward: Dear Raja Ram, Jai Guru Dev: 1. You've got kids. Which Shrek movie do they like best? 2. What do you think of David Bowie? 3. Ever had Ben and Jerry's ice cream? or Hagen Daz? 4. Who is a more spiritually accomplished guitarist, Eric Clapton or Jimi Hendrix? 5. Do you ever do your flying technique when you fly on a plane? 6. Do you miss Paris, now that you are in Idaho, I mean Iowa? Can you still buy Chanel in Vedic City? 7. White swans or black swans? 8. Do any of you guys really LIKE bagpipe music? 9. Have you ever maxed out your TMO credit card? 10. What is your favorite champagne? 11. What is the title of your next book? 12. Do you ever yell at your servants? 13. What would you do if you discovered your kids sneaking a smoke? 14. How many times have you been to the zoo? 15. Have you ever knocked off your crown going through a doorway? If yes, did you kick someone's ass for it? 16. Lego or Lincoln Logs? 17. Palm trees or pine trees? 18. Orange juice or grapefruit juice? 19. Coke or Pepsi? 20. Jack Daniels or Stoli? 21. What's your favorite TV show from the 60's? 22. Who was your favorite star on Bonanza? If anyone other than Adam, Hoss, Pa, or Little Joe, Why? 23. Who was hotter, (I Dream Of) Jeanie or Samantha (Bewitched)? 24. Ever start a fire intentionally? 25. Are you good at Scrabble? How about Risk? 26. If Maharishi were alive today and he went to a Halloween party, who would he dress up as? 27. Do you burn a lot of incense? 28. Got any of that weight-in-gold left? 29. Ever order a double-double at In and Out Burger, or send out for one? 30. Would you like to just say fuck it and disappear for a month, charter some yacht in the Med? 31. Tonight Show or Late Show? 32. Mercedes or Jaguar? 33. When was the last time you were drunk? Did you attempt to drive home? 34. Corn Flakes, or Rice Crispies? And finally, 35. Do you ever act like Bevan is your bodyguard, and get him to rough up people you don't like? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: It's shocking, it is so without spiritual discipline and order. Bingo is coming next? Yep, the Dome overseers are thus polluting our Domes. Shake not the tawny dice! Gambling with Games of Chance at the Domes And they kick people out of the domes for sitting with saints? The Path July 1893 RIG-VEDA ON GAMBLING The following excellent remarks are probably the oldest in the world upon the vice of gambling. They are found in Rig Veda, x, 34. It is admitted that these Vedic hymns are anterior to the time of Homer and Hesiod. The Hindus claim an antiquity for them which carries us back thousands upon thousands of years prior to the oldest date allowed by European Orientalists. Those who have a theosophical acquaintance with the Vedas will incline to the estimate of the Hindus, inasmuch as European opinion is constantly altering on the subject, and besides has not had quite a century of experience in which to form itself. Muir says these hymns were composed certainly 1,000 years before our era, but that is too ridiculously low an estimate and will have erelong to be revised upon further proofs and discoveries. The present hymn is given as showing what was then thought of gambling. The tumbling airborn products (1) of the great Vibhidaka tree delight me as they continue to roll upon the dice-board. The exciting dice seem to me like a draught of the soma-plant growing on Mount Miyavat. My wife never quarrelled with me nor despised me; she was kind to me and to my friends. But I for the sake of the partial dice have spurned my devoted spouse. My mother-in-law detests me, my wife rejects me. In my need I find no comforter. I cannot discover what is the enjoyment of the gambler any more than I can perceive what is the happiness of a worn-out hack horse. Others pay court to the wife of the man whose wealth, is coveted by the impetuous dice. His father, mother, brothers cry out, We know nothing of him; take him away bound! When I resolve not to be tormented by them because I am abandoned by my friends who withdraw from me, yet as soon as the brown dice, when they are thrown, make a rattling sound I hasten to their rendezvous
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
The chamomile I am enjoying this wonderful evening, precisely steeped, ensconced in a delicate, perfect cup, tendrils of escaping tea steam wafting through the cheery room is just...just the cat's pajamas! Have A *Nice* Day!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: My first attempt to reply to this post got eaten. I will try again. I guess you have to look at one's track record and frequency in making such remarks. I've made my share. It just shows how I can be guilty of the same behavior I am condemning in Ravi. I remember exactly what provoked me to make such a remark. I felt she was mood making. It shows my intolerance. Although I have to say, that I don't regret making that remark, and under the same circumstances, I might very well make it again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Look, I'm rushing here, but a couple things. IIRC, Ravi at one point, once he realized Sal was a she, and not a he, said he felt he should show a little more decorum. I realize I may get pegged as a sexist, but I'm just telling you what he said. So, if someone is on record with saying something like that, and then goes into a profane tirade, against a female he feels insulted him, or his beloved, then I call that being a hypocrite. Of course Ravi has a long history of abiding by rules he holds as sacred one day, and then breaking them the next. That's part of being enlightened, of course. Second, we are a public forum. Even though in the past, I've said I'm not a prude, I guess I am a little. And, blast me if you will Bob, but I'm thinking of some of the casual readers to FFL, and I include my wife in this, (although I think it is rare that she might read it). Yea, I might have felt a little embarrassed by Ravi's BJ tirade. But since I had voiced an objection earlier, and no one else chimed in, I assumed no one else had a problem with it. And that was okay with me. In light of what you've written now, how do you explain what you wrote back in Oct 2008? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/193702 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg140748.html Let's have a party in your mouth. Everybody can come. That's obviously a not so subtle reference to oral sex, and you directed it and the rest of your cruel invective at a woman whose only crime was making a friendly chatty post about coffee. How can you write a post like that but object to Ravi's BJ tirade?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guess Bruce Cockburn's latest wasn't inaccessible, after all...
OMG!? He said it AGAIN? Dude, as they say here in California, you've got issues. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Finally...a Canadian Christian worth listening to. ;-) Vaj, you made me spit my juice out with that one!!! Good luck dealing with the obsessives, BTW. I'm outa here when it comes to them Promises, promises. This is particularly amusing because as everyone other than Turq knows,the biggest obsessive here is . . . Turq himself. Exactly why I'm outa here is an empty promise, just as it has been the umpty other times he's made it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms with your analysis. HA HA HA!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:49 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: I think it's important to distinguish between meditation forms that help samskaras be dissolved and those that plant sattvic seeds in the mind to overwhelm the rajasic and tamasic weeds. One method is like planting many flowers in a garden so that they overwhelm the weeds to the point they're barely noticeable, the other is like dissolving the weeds at the roots so the garden's already present state can emerge. So which is which? Are you saying TM is more like one of these than the other. Both methods sound positive. From my experience, I would say TM was more like #2. But that was also coupled with a lot of introspection and work on my part to root out tendencies that were causing me problems. For me TM was more like a break in the action and a balm for mind and body. Sorry Ray, the correct answer was door number one. Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms with your analysis. Thanks for examples of tecniques that utilize #1. But just to be clear, since you reverse the order in the first and second parts of your paragraph, I found TM to aid in a dissolving of the samskaras. I'm not getting the planting of sattwic seeds as it pertains to the practice of TM. Care to be more specific about that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guess Bruce Cockburn's latest wasn't inaccessible, after all...
...back deeply inside his head, where he can overcome his emotional issues with fantasies.(since you asked) :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Where are you going, Turq? Where is he going? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: OMG!? He said it AGAIN? Dude, as they say here in California, you've got issues. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Finally...a Canadian Christian worth listening to. ;-) Vaj, you made me spit my juice out with that one!!! Good luck dealing with the obsessives, BTW. I'm outa here when it comes to them Promises, promises. This is particularly amusing because as everyone other than Turq knows,the biggest obsessive here is . . . Turq himself. Exactly why I'm outa here is an empty promise, just as it has been the umpty other times he's made it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Emily
S., Alex Central Iowa - Proximity to Golden Domes Of Knowledge. Former student of several techniques that reduce dependence. Note ties to anti-capitalist movements, family relative alleged member of World Government (re: 1997, S.; CIA ref.). Code rainbow. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKk00OYKhU There ya go. That was really just the body, though, which I thought was very nice. I like a little hair on a man's chest. (There's a personal glimpse for you, feste.) I can just imagine the FBI file... Stein, Judith Female. Editor. Ex-smoker. Lives on Jersey Shore. Likes hunky, conventionally handsome men with a little chest hair.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
If I had to guess, he was asked to pull it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: FWIW, Vaj has also deleted quite a few of the posts he's made about Robin in the past (made before Robin joined us; Alex might know when he deleted them). I can do a search of the web activity log, but all it will show is the time and date of the deletion and the post number. It doesn't show the subject line of the deleted post. The post number lets me look up the posting time of the posts before and after the deletion, and referencing the alternate web archive for posts made in that time slot might bring up the deleted post. But, it's really tedious work. http://alex.natel.net/misc/vaj_deleted.jpg Yeah, too much of a hassle to track down the exact posts that were deleted. What I'm wondering is whether a bunch were deleted when Robin first joined us--or perhaps after I'd suggested to Robin that he check out the discussions we'd had about him in the past. If so, and if the deleted post numbers fell in the time frame of specific past discussions about Robin, it might be worth the trouble to track down what the deleted posts said. But I wouldn't ask you to do that. What *is* interesting is the timing of Vaj's deletion of the photo. That happened only a few minutes after raunchy made her comparison of Vaj's photo with what she said were photos of the old church that was torn down. As it happens, I didn't think the bell tower in raunchy's photo was the same as the one in Vaj's photo; there were several distinct differences if you looked closely. A little later she posted a correction saying the photo she'd found was of the *new* church, for which a replica of the old bell tower had been built. If it wasn't an *exact* replica, that could account for the differences I saw between that bell tower and the one in Vaj's photo; Vaj's photo could have been of the old church. In any case, I'm wondering, would there have been any other ways to verify from Vaj's photo that it was--or was not-- actually taken in Fairfield? Maybe he didn't delete it as a result of raunchy's post. But the timing is curiously close. And why would he have deleted it so soon after having made such a big deal of it? What was in the photo that he suddenly decided he didn't want us to see after all?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
You're practically throwing in the towel here VJ...When I read this, your language indicates that you are not putting yourself in the category of a certain type of person [who]...decides to pay and undergo TM initiation. So now, after all the challenges to your immediately suspect claim about having practiced and taught TM and the TMSP, you're like, f*ck it...I don't care if they know I never did that stuff... - wow. A case of the Holiday Blues or what? You're giving in, huh? OK, well glad you are past it. Now, see how much easier it is, having shed that lie? Yeah, you are just some family guy who gets his strokes being known as a Big Buddha Boy. Pretty harmless really, so, hell, proselytize all you want about your Path, and just let all of that nonsense about ,I did TM, wash away. Happy Holidays! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 2:14 PM, feste37 wrote: I am aware that more than a few TM meditators have hypersensitivities, but I'm not sure that is always a bad thing: they have their antennae up to detect anything that might be harmful and coming their way, so as best to avoid it (food sensitivities, for example). I have hypersensitivities of my own, but I don't think TM or the TMSP had any effect on them, one way or another. It's just part of the makeup of the personality. But that's just my experience. It's a psychological fact (from independent studies on TM) that a certain type of person self selects and decides to pay and undergo TM initiation - and that self selection all occurs from how that particular segment reacts to the intro lecture content. I guess the question then becomes what unique vulnerabilities does this group of humans have?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guess Bruce Cockburn's latest wasn't inaccessible, after all...
The only effect of the heavily precious David WTF was as a sedative. VJ, get a life, please! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip Actually, the recurrent pattern is with each new revelation of the sex life, destroyed lives or lack of lineage of HH Mahesh, they flip out on the victim(s) of their choice. The latest blow was the release of David Wants to Fly into the collective consciousness of America. The CIA really should have had some jet helicopters with trained psychotherapists and psychiatrists on standby, just in case. Ready to pick up and sedate the TM critics driven out of their gourds with frustration when most TMers took the film pretty much in stride, resulting in grandiose hallucinations like this: Thankfully FFL and folks like us were on the ready to combat the demon of their collective shadow and defuse the bomb of explosive unstressing. The TM critics on FFL can be proud that they've prevented the TMO from falling apart, huh? cackle
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guess Bruce Cockburn's latest wasn't inaccessible, after all...
Au contraire, authfriend, B2 reveals himself to be the consummate diplomat. After all, you did notice how he did *not* ask Turq back, or lament his departure? He was just bidding him a goodbye that hid those omissions rather well. As long as Turq leaves, who cares what the reasons might be? I say, Well Done!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip FFL is like a cage full of canaries in a mine. When tensions rise in the US there is more Maharishi talk. It's like they retreat into remembering their better days of the 1970s and their good times with TM. Well, that's one of the stupider things you've said on FFL, Bhairitu, in a whole bunch of different respects. Sheesh, I hope you don't believe your own crap. What will happen if YahooGroups goes away? YahooGroups isn't the only forum platform on the Web.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
I saw it, and yeah it was hardly worth the effort. Big coup - heh, so maybe it was removed out of sheer embarrassment... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: If I had to guess, he was asked to pull it. Well, for anyone who saw the pic on the website, it's more than likely still in their browser cache. I was able to retrieve it from mine this morning. I don't see what the big deal is... it's a blurry Polaroid shot in poor condition. I didn't even think to save it when it was first posted because it's such a crummy pic.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rare video of Robin and Ravi on YouTube
Why the hard on for raunchy? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Dear raunchy, wow I knew it. I knew you were being modest when I called you the Mother Teresa of c@ck s$ckers and you humbly declined it. No one would have dared to lift a finger if you had just spent your time in the silent inner retreat of s$cking an enlightened c@ck for the rest of your life on planet earth. But by s$cking the c@ck of a proven liar like Vaj, an outcast, an untouchable, a self professed leper like Vaj you have shown to all intelligent, discerning posters on FFL that you are the Mother Teresa of the c@ck s$ckers. May I dare another equally deserving leper - Barry, check with HH Gandhi King Curtis, he is well versed with Vaj and Barry. This sacrifice of yours will not go unrewarded my dear raunchy. After your death you will ascend to heaven and forever reside in the paradise of enlightened c@ckamania, the rest of eternity spending your time s$ cking 72 of the never used, dumbed by years of useless tapas, tough to arouse enlightened c@cks. I bown to you raunchy with tear filled eyes. P.S in heaven if they offer you Jesus Ramana's c@cks just grab it. They are indeed totally unused and very hard to be aroused. You will also run into many sexually repressed enlightened yogi c@cks from India who are equally well deserving. Stay away from that Krishna, his is the most used. Even virgins in India pine and yearn for his c@ck. On Dec 4, 2011, at 8:56 AM, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: LOL! Naked Guy gives whole new meaning to self-referral. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV1ccge6Jcs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rare video of Robin and Ravi on YouTube
I just don't get it, I guess. Must've come in after the movie started :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: And Mr. Jim, she started it, why am I being punished? On Dec 5, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Huh? It's in her handle, she is the raunchy doll. She hates to be called Mother Teresa..LOL.. On Dec 5, 2011, at 4:21 PM, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Why the hard on for raunchy? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Dear raunchy, wow I knew it. I knew you were being modest when I called you the Mother Teresa of c@ck s$ckers and you humbly declined it. No one would have dared to lift a finger if you had just spent your time in the silent inner retreat of s$cking an enlightened c@ck for the rest of your life on planet earth. But by s$cking the c@ck of a proven liar like Vaj, an outcast, an untouchable, a self professed leper like Vaj you have shown to all intelligent, discerning posters on FFL that you are the Mother Teresa of the c@ck s$ckers. May I dare another equally deserving leper - Barry, check with HH Gandhi King Curtis, he is well versed with Vaj and Barry. This sacrifice of yours will not go unrewarded my dear raunchy. After your death you will ascend to heaven and forever reside in the paradise of enlightened c@ckamania, the rest of eternity spending your time s$ cking 72 of the never used, dumbed by years of useless tapas, tough to arouse enlightened c@cks. I bown to you raunchy with tear filled eyes. P.S in heaven if they offer you Jesus Ramana's c@cks just grab it. They are indeed totally unused and very hard to be aroused. You will also run into many sexually repressed enlightened yogi c@cks from India who are equally well deserving. Stay away from that Krishna, his is the most used. Even virgins in India pine and yearn for his c@ck. On Dec 4, 2011, at 8:56 AM, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: LOL! Naked Guy gives whole new meaning to self-referral. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV1ccge6Jcs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guess Bruce Cockburn's latest wasn't inaccessible, after all...
I was wondering which planet that is - My guess was Jupiter since it appeared in that spot during last year or perhaps two years ago. Those strong winds this week blew away the atmospheric dust so I was able to take some very clear pictures of the moon as it was rising tonight. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: snip For a pattern change, folks should step outside and take a look at Jupiter near the Moon. I did a little while ago while putting out the grabage. ;-) http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/visible-planets-tonight-mars-jupiter-venus-saturn-mercury But the temps are supposed to get down to freezing tonight (crystal clear sky) and that's not what I moved to California for.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guess Bruce Cockburn's latest wasn't inaccessible, after all...
I was able to take pictures of the moons in orbit around it last time - I oughta try that again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: Jupiter has been really spectacular this year. Several times, I've looked at it through 10x50 binoculars and have been able to see four of its moons. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I was wondering which planet that is - My guess was Jupiter since it appeared in that spot during last year or perhaps two years ago. Those strong winds this week blew away the atmospheric dust so I was able to take some very clear pictures of the moon as it was rising tonight. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip For a pattern change, folks should step outside and take a look at Jupiter near the Moon. I did a little while ago while putting out the grabage. ;-) http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/visible-planets-tonight-mars-jupiter-venus-saturn-mercury But the temps are supposed to get down to freezing tonight (crystal clear sky) and that's not what I moved to California for.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome meeting with Maharaja-ji
What did he have to say? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: You missed a great knowledge meeting tonite in Fairfield. -Buck Was like watching a Jerry Jarvis in the old days answer questions in meetings for having spent so much time around Maharishi. He's [Rajaraam] a fine teacher that way. He's bright, sharp, funny, kind, and calls things like they are. Was well attended qa format. We are very fortunate to announce that Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam-ji will speak in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome on Monday night (December 5th) at 8:15 pm. This will be a knowledge presentation with questions and answers. Jai Guru Dev Please bring your program badge. (Meditators should contact the Invincible America Assembly Office at 472-1212, and meditating MUM students should bring their University ID.)
