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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Several people presented on the page.
  
 http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=Spiritual_Peacemaking_Formamp
 ;t_s=44


So...

In 1980, he took a special class from the Shankaracharya of the North and 
learned how to 
charm animals...

Ummm Anyone ever hear this one before? Was this something he left out of 
Return of the 
Rishi? 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc



On Oct 30, 2006, at 9:55 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Several people presented on the page.  http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=Spiritual_Peacemaking_Formamp ;t_s=44   So...  In 1980, he took a special class from the Shankaracharya of the North and learned how to  charm animals...  Ummm Anyone ever hear this one before? Was this something he left out of Return of the  Rishi?  Can you give a direct quote or a time in the recording so we don't have to listen to the whole thing? I wonder if it works on Jack Russell Terriers?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 30, 2006, at 9:55 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
 
  Several people presented on the page.
 
  http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx? 
  content=Spiritual_Peacemaking_Formamp
  ;t_s=44
 
 
 
  So...
 
  In 1980, he took a special class from the Shankaracharya of the  
  North and learned how to
  charm animals...
 
  Ummm Anyone ever hear this one before? Was this something he  
  left out of Return of the
  Rishi?
 
 
 Can you give a direct quote or a time in the recording so we don't  
 have to listen to the whole thing? I wonder if it works on Jack  
 Russell Terriers?


Almost the first words out of his mouth.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread curtisdeltablues

There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting time line
issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a sidhi course? 
He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, some
virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me right in
his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, and some
other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  Could any of
this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?

His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  Holding out
food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  Without the
food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've got
nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic at first. 
He claims  that after the three week course with the Shankaracharya ,
he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it to come to
him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to feed the
birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds can't eat
them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain but pigeons
love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to finish.

Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  Watch his lips,
if they are moving, bingo!








--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 30, 2006, at 9:55 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
 
  Several people presented on the page.
 
  http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx? 
  content=Spiritual_Peacemaking_Formamp
  ;t_s=44
 
 
 
  So...
 
  In 1980, he took a special class from the Shankaracharya of the  
  North and learned how to
  charm animals...
 
  Ummm Anyone ever hear this one before? Was this something he  
  left out of Return of the
  Rishi?
 
 
 Can you give a direct quote or a time in the recording so we don't  
 have to listen to the whole thing? I wonder if it works on Jack  
 Russell Terriers?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly not 
before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the Boston area 
before he got invloved with the TMO.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
 learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
 Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting time line
 issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a sidhi 
course? 
 He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, some
 virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me right in
 his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, and some
 other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  Could any 
of
 this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?
 
 His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  Holding 
out
 food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  Without the
 food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've got
 nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic at first. 
 He claims  that after the three week course with the 
Shankaracharya ,
 he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it to come 
to
 him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to feed the
 birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds can't eat
 them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain but 
pigeons
 love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to finish.
 
 Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  Watch his 
lips,
 if they are moving, bingo!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread curtisdeltablues

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly not 
 before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the Boston area 
 before he got invloved with the TMO.

So he was practicing a technique like the sidhis before he met MMY? 
See my timeline problem with his story?  He was selling MMY's Chopra
technique by '87.




 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
  learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
  Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting time line
  issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a sidhi 
 course? 
  He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, some
  virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me right in
  his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, and some
  other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  Could any 
 of
  this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?
  
  His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  Holding 
 out
  food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  Without the
  food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've got
  nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic at first. 
  He claims  that after the three week course with the 
 Shankaracharya ,
  he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it to come 
 to
  him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to feed the
  birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds can't eat
  them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain but 
 pigeons
  love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to finish.
  
  Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  Watch his 
 lips,
  if they are moving, bingo!






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc



On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the Shankaracharya in 1980. That just sounds so ODD.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 30, 2006, at 9:55 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ 
wrote:
 
 
  Several people presented on the page.
 
  http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx? 
  content=Spiritual_Peacemaking_Formamp
  ;t_s=44
 
 
 
  So...
 
  In 1980, he took a special class from the Shankaracharya of the  
  North and learned how to
  charm animals...
 
  Ummm Anyone ever hear this one before? Was this something 
he  
  left out of Return of the
  Rishi?
 
 
 Can you give a direct quote or a time in the recording so we 
don't  
 have to listen to the whole thing? I wonder if it works on Jack  
 Russell Terriers?


I was wondering if it works on Filet Mignon.

Actually, can anyone tell me how long the tape is?  I started to 
listen but gave up after 5 minutes 'cause I was worried it was about 
2 hours or something and just wanted to get to the juicy parts.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

Hmmm.. I don't know what he was doing (besides practicing medicine) 
prior to joining MMY. Sounds though, like he is either lying or has 
his timeline messed up/confused. I met him before he got too involved 
with the TMO and he was a very honest, ethical person back then. But 
the TMO has been known to corrupt a person or two. ;-) (P.S. I got a 
technique in his Stoneham office back in '86 or '87, too. I cannot 
for the life of me remember what it was, though. Oh the wonders of 
the aging brain.) 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly not 
  before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the Boston 
area 
  before he got invloved with the TMO.
 
 So he was practicing a technique like the sidhis before he met MMY? 
 See my timeline problem with his story?  He was selling MMY's Chopra
 technique by '87.
 
 
 
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to 
have
   learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
   Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting time 
line
   issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a sidhi 
  course? 
   He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, some
   virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me 
right in
   his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, and 
some
   other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  Could 
any 
  of
   this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?
   
   His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  
Holding 
  out
   food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  
Without the
   food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've got
   nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic at 
first. 
   He claims  that after the three week course with the 
  Shankaracharya ,
   he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it to 
come 
  to
   him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to feed 
the
   birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds can't 
eat
   them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain but 
  pigeons
   love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to 
finish.
   
   Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  Watch 
his 
  lips,
   if they are moving, bingo!
 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 
  There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
  learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
  Shankaracharya in 1980.
 
 
 That just sounds so ODD.

I am wondering if he just got confused about the years? I am not making 
excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop and think, OK, in '84 I 
graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85, or was that '86? And 
what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF - was that 86 or 87? And 
when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or 90? I really have to 
stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+ years ago was not a 
liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who knows, maybe it's a 
combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his ego has gotten in the 
way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread curtisdeltablues

ffia1120,

Did they pick you up in a limo at the airport when you went to to get
your Chopra technique?  Nice touch.  That was really a funny move on
MMY's part letting him teach techniques without a puja.  He did a long
induction first with my eyes closed, I remember that.  It was a mix of
techniques like a yardsale package.  Some A of E technique, a nightime
technique and a magic word for health.  After leaving the movement I
felt it was particularly sketchy selling a magic word for your health
cloaked in the respectability of a doctor's office.  They say don't
tempt an honest man.  When Chopra saw us all lining up with our fists
full of dollars (I remember it had to be in cash) he must have thought
to himself, Popa needs a new pair of shoes!

I think Chopra's story was a way of distancing himself from his
association with MMY.  Making it seem like he got techniques from the
Shankaracharya was like padding his resume.  He blew his own cover by
being too specific about how he did the techniques.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hmmm.. I don't know what he was doing (besides practicing medicine) 
 prior to joining MMY. Sounds though, like he is either lying or has 
 his timeline messed up/confused. I met him before he got too involved 
 with the TMO and he was a very honest, ethical person back then. But 
 the TMO has been known to corrupt a person or two. ;-) (P.S. I got a 
 technique in his Stoneham office back in '86 or '87, too. I cannot 
 for the life of me remember what it was, though. Oh the wonders of 
 the aging brain.) 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly not 
   before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the Boston 
 area 
   before he got invloved with the TMO.
  
  So he was practicing a technique like the sidhis before he met MMY? 
  See my timeline problem with his story?  He was selling MMY's Chopra
  technique by '87.
  
  
  
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to 
 have
learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting time 
 line
issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a sidhi 
   course? 
He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, some
virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me 
 right in
his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, and 
 some
other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  Could 
 any 
   of
this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?

His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  
 Holding 
   out
food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  
 Without the
food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've got
nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic at 
 first. 
He claims  that after the three week course with the 
   Shankaracharya ,
he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it to 
 come 
   to
him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to feed 
 the
birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds can't 
 eat
them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain but 
   pigeons
love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to 
 finish.

Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  Watch 
 his 
   lips,
if they are moving, bingo!
  
 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hmmm.. I don't know what he was doing (besides practicing medicine) 
 prior to joining MMY. Sounds though, like he is either lying or has 
 his timeline messed up/confused. I met him before he got too 
 involved with the TMO and he was a very honest, ethical person 
 back then. But the TMO has been known to corrupt a person or two. 
 ;-) (P.S. I got a technique in his Stoneham office back in '86 or 
 '87, too. I cannot for the life of me remember what it was, though. 
 Oh the wonders of the aging brain.) 

Thanks for your impressions. Really. Chopra is a 
complete mystery to me. He arrived on the TM scene
long after I had beat feet, and I've never been 
interested enough in him to read any of his books
or articles. So about the only things I've heard
about him are the badraps one tends to hear on 
TM-oriented talk forums. As a result, other than 
respecting him for his decision to beat feet and 
find his own path, I know diddleysquat about the 
man. It's good to hear some balancing opinions.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am wondering if he just got confused about the years? I am 
 not making excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop and 
 think, OK, in '84 I graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC 
 in'85, or was that '86? And what year did I work as a Ayurvdic 
 tech in FF - was that 86 or 87? And when did I pursue my graduate 
 degree -- '89 or 90? I really have to stop and think it through. 
 The Deepak I knew 20+ years ago was not a liar by any stretch 
 of the imagination. But, who knows, maybe it's a combination 
 of forgetfulness/confusion, or his ego has gotten in the 
 way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.

Just as a reality check ( or, given the source,
an unreality check :-), I'm the same way about
time. I could no more tell you the exact year
that something important happened in my life
than I could tell you who Lakshmi was sleeping
with during a particular kalpa.

For me it's not an age thang. I've always been
like this. I have *never* been able to remember
a particular calendar year and associate it with
other memories. Being somewhat of a music freak,
I tell subjective time via music. What album
was current when such-and-such happened...that
sorta thang. For example, I could not tell you
on a bet what year I met my first really serious 
girlfriend and lost it heavily over her, but I 
can without a moment's hesitation tell you 
which albums formed the soundtrack of that
period. ( The album was Aftermath, which if 
you know it should give you a clue as to how
well that particular affair turned out. :-)

Some people think in terms of calendar years,
and can relate those calendar years to the events
of their lives. But what if you were a student
for decades? Academic years don't follow calendar
years. So you'd have to remember, Such and such
happened in academic year '66-67, and really,
who's got the fuckin' time? It happened when 
Aftermath was hot on the radio and in all the
stores and in every living room I ever entered.
You'd walk into a party and Paint It Black would
be playing. You'd get bored with that party and
go to the next one and Stupid Girl would be play-
ing. Then, at the next party, Lady Jane, and at
the next one, Under My Thumb.

Calendar years? Where's the value in recollecting
your life that way? But when the recollection has
a soundtrack, and a cool one? Magic.

And if that doesn't make you feel better, remember 
that age-related memory loss is just nature's way 
of saying, Be here now.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly not 
 before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the Boston area 
 before he got invloved with the TMO.

Return of the Rishi, his autobiography, is copyright 1987. He learned TM quite 
a few years 
before that. He met Triguna in 1981 after he started TM, IIRC, though a 
skeptics website 
claims it was before he learned TM.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 
  There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
  learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
  Shankaracharya in 1980.
 
 
 That just sounds so ODD.


That was the animal-charming technique. he credits the 1980-era Shankaracharya 
(was that 
S Shatananda II or S. Vishundevananda or even S Vasudevananda, BTW?) with MMY's 
interpretation of ahimsa, which is rather interesting, in and of itself...




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:31 PM, ffia1120 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: There were some interesting claims by Chopra. He claimed to have learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the Shankaracharya in 1980. That just sounds so ODD. I am wondering if he just got confused about the years? I am not making excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop and think, "OK, in '84 I graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85, or was that '86? And what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF - was that 86 or 87? And when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or 90? I really have to stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+ years ago was not a liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who knows, maybe it's a combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his ego has gotten in the way and he is embellishing his memories a bit. Yeah I wonder the same thing. I have a very high opinion of Deepak, so I would also tend to give him slack--perhaps he was speaking "off the cuff".
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  
  On Oct 30, 2006, at 9:55 AM, sparaig wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ 
 wrote:
  
  
   Several people presented on the page.
  
   http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx? 
   content=Spiritual_Peacemaking_Formamp
   ;t_s=44
  
  
  
   So...
  
   In 1980, he took a special class from the Shankaracharya of the  
   North and learned how to
   charm animals...
  
   Ummm Anyone ever hear this one before? Was this something 
 he  
   left out of Return of the
   Rishi?
  
  
  Can you give a direct quote or a time in the recording so we 
 don't  
  have to listen to the whole thing? I wonder if it works on Jack  
  Russell Terriers?
 
 
 I was wondering if it works on Filet Mignon.
 
 Actually, can anyone tell me how long the tape is?  I started to 
 listen but gave up after 5 minutes 'cause I was worried it was about 
 2 hours or something and just wanted to get to the juicy parts.


I started it and took my ex to work and it was still going when I got back 
nearly an hour 
later...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  
  On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
  
   There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
   learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
   Shankaracharya in 1980.
  
  
  That just sounds so ODD.
 
 I am wondering if he just got confused about the years? I am not making 
 excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop and think, OK, in '84 I 
 graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85, or was that '86? And 
 what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF - was that 86 or 87? And 
 when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or 90? I really have to 
 stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+ years ago was not a 
 liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who knows, maybe it's a 
 combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his ego has gotten in the 
 way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.


Check the timeline of his rewriting his books several times over the years 
without 
mentioning it in the copyright. Quite fascinating. MOST authors hope to get 
people to buy 
a newer version of their book, so they make it clear that there is a rewrite, 
but Chopra 
conceals this fact.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 ffia1120,
 
 Did they pick you up in a limo at the airport when you went to to get
 your Chopra technique?  Nice touch.  That was really a funny move on
 MMY's part letting him teach techniques without a puja.  He did a long
 induction first with my eyes closed, I remember that.  It was a mix of
 techniques like a yardsale package.  Some A of E technique, a nightime
 technique and a magic word for health.  After leaving the movement I
 felt it was particularly sketchy selling a magic word for your health
 cloaked in the respectability of a doctor's office.  They say don't
 tempt an honest man.  When Chopra saw us all lining up with our fists
 full of dollars (I remember it had to be in cash) he must have thought
 to himself, Popa needs a new pair of shoes!
 
 I think Chopra's story was a way of distancing himself from his
 association with MMY.  Making it seem like he got techniques from the
 Shankaracharya was like padding his resume.  He blew his own cover by
 being too specific about how he did the techniques.


Chopra's techniques were not meant to be consciousness-raising per se, but on 
the 
physical level of health, so a puja wasn't relevant, or such has always been my 
take.

And way back when, Chopra would accept checks made out to the Maharishi 
Foundation, 
and only accept room, board and expense money for himself.

Ironically, when he did THAT, no-one respected him in the New Age movement, but 
now 
that he charges many times as much as he used to, he brags about donating 10 
percent to 
charity and everyone who denounced him back then oohs and ahs about his 
generosity.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

Curtis,
No, I did not get picked up in a limo at the airport. I was invited 
(along with some other TMers) to his daughter's Indian dance recital -
- can't remember what it's called - kind of like a coming out dance 
recital(?) - and I drove to his office the following day. It was '87.

Your description of the techniques I can no longer remember sounds 
familiar, though.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ffia1120,
 
 Did they pick you up in a limo at the airport when you went to to 
get
 your Chopra technique?  Nice touch.  That was really a funny move on
 MMY's part letting him teach techniques without a puja.  He did a 
long
 induction first with my eyes closed, I remember that.  It was a mix 
of
 techniques like a yardsale package.  Some A of E technique, a 
nightime
 technique and a magic word for health.  After leaving the movement I
 felt it was particularly sketchy selling a magic word for your 
health
 cloaked in the respectability of a doctor's office.  They say don't
 tempt an honest man.  When Chopra saw us all lining up with our 
fists
 full of dollars (I remember it had to be in cash) he must have 
thought
 to himself, Popa needs a new pair of shoes!
 
 I think Chopra's story was a way of distancing himself from his
 association with MMY.  Making it seem like he got techniques from 
the
 Shankaracharya was like padding his resume.  He blew his own cover 
by
 being too specific about how he did the techniques.
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Hmmm.. I don't know what he was doing (besides practicing 
medicine) 
  prior to joining MMY. Sounds though, like he is either lying or 
has 
  his timeline messed up/confused. I met him before he got too 
involved 
  with the TMO and he was a very honest, ethical person back then. 
But 
  the TMO has been known to corrupt a person or two. ;-) (P.S. I 
got a 
  technique in his Stoneham office back in '86 or '87, too. I 
cannot 
  for the life of me remember what it was, though. Oh the wonders 
of 
  the aging brain.) 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ 
wrote:
   
I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly 
not 
before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the 
Boston 
  area 
before he got invloved with the TMO.
   
   So he was practicing a technique like the sidhis before he met 
MMY? 
   See my timeline problem with his story?  He was selling MMY's 
Chopra
   technique by '87.
   
   
   
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:

 There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed 
to 
  have
 learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
 Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting 
time 
  line
 issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a 
sidhi 
course? 
 He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, 
some
 virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me 
  right in
 his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, 
and 
  some
 other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  
Could 
  any 
of
 this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?
 
 His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  
  Holding 
out
 food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  
  Without the
 food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've 
got
 nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic 
at 
  first. 
 He claims  that after the three week course with the 
Shankaracharya ,
 he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it 
to 
  come 
to
 him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to 
feed 
  the
 birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds 
can't 
  eat
 them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain 
but 
pigeons
 love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to 
  finish.
 
 Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  
Watch 
  his 
lips,
 if they are moving, bingo!
   
  
 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:31 PM, ffia1120 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
 
  On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 
  There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
  learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
  Shankaracharya in 1980.
 
 
  That just sounds so ODD.
 
  I am wondering if he just got confused about the years? I am not  
  making
  excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop and think, OK, in  
  '84 I
  graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85, or was that '86? And
  what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF - was that 86 or 87? And
  when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or 90? I really have to
  stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+ years ago was not a
  liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who knows, maybe it's a
  combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his ego has gotten in the
  way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.
 
 
 Yeah I wonder the same thing. I have a very high opinion of Deepak,  
 so I would also tend to give him slack--perhaps he was speaking off  
 the cuff.


Chopra NEVER spoke off-the-cuff. His skill is in making it sound like he does.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread Peter



--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or
 '86. Certainly not 
  before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital
 in the Boston area 
  before he got invloved with the TMO.
 
 Return of the Rishi, his autobiography, is copyright
 1987. He learned TM quite a few years 
 before that. He met Triguna in 1981 after he started
 TM, IIRC, though a skeptics website 
 claims it was before he learned TM.

He hooked up with MMY in 1981. I saw and spoke with
him  in Washington, DC when Purusha just started. He
was just a regular joe back then. Very open and
friendly. I had no idea who he was. I just sat down
next to him for lunch and chatted. All these claims
about learning techniques from the Shankaracharya in
1980 are BS on his part.




 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread Peter



--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:31 PM, ffia1120 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
 vajranatha@ wrote:
  
  
   On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues
 wrote:
  
   There were some interesting claims by Chopra. 
 He claimed to have
   learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga
 Sutras from the
   Shankaracharya in 1980.
  
  
   That just sounds so ODD.
  
   I am wondering if he just got confused about the
 years? I am not  
   making
   excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop
 and think, OK, in  
   '84 I
   graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85,
 or was that '86? And
   what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF -
 was that 86 or 87? And
   when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or
 90? I really have to
   stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+
 years ago was not a
   liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who
 knows, maybe it's a
   combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his
 ego has gotten in the
   way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.
  
  
  Yeah I wonder the same thing. I have a very high
 opinion of Deepak,  
  so I would also tend to give him slack--perhaps he
 was speaking off  
  the cuff.
 
 
 Chopra NEVER spoke off-the-cuff. His skill is in
 making it sound like he does.

Chopra was not involved in spiritual pursuits prior to
his involvement with the TMO which started in 1981. 


 
 
 
 
 
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2006-10-30 Thread rmy108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
  vajranatha@ wrote:
  
   
   On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:31 PM, ffia1120 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
  vajranatha@ wrote:
   
   
On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues
  wrote:
   
There were some interesting claims by Chopra. 
  He claimed to have
learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga
  Sutras from the
Shankaracharya in 1980.
   
   
That just sounds so ODD.
   
I am wondering if he just got confused about the
  years? I am not  
making
excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop
  and think, OK, in  
'84 I
graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85,
  or was that '86? And
what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF -
  was that 86 or 87? And
when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or
  90? I really have to
stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+
  years ago was not a
liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who
  knows, maybe it's a
combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his
  ego has gotten in the
way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.
   
   
   Yeah I wonder the same thing. I have a very high
  opinion of Deepak,  
   so I would also tend to give him slack--perhaps he
  was speaking off  
   the cuff.
  
  
  Chopra NEVER spoke off-the-cuff. His skill is in
  making it sound like he does.
 
 Chopra was not involved in spiritual pursuits prior to
 his involvement with the TMO which started in 1981. 
 
 
  
  Deepak teaches his versions of the sidhis based on the Shiva 
Sutras. He worked with brahmins from Benares Hindu University and the 
Shankaracharya and some local pundits in America (or at least he 
gives credit to all of those people).  But it was not in 1980.  It 
was after he left the TMO.  He also used the same sources to develop 
his meditation technique, which he calls Primordial Sound meditation 
(which is NOT the same technique that he taught in his TM years).
Primordial Sound meditation is the same as TM, but he uses a 
different pool of mantras.   His version of the sidhis is different 
from the TM sidhis in that he uses different sutras and uses them 
differently.
  
  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

On Oct 30, 2006, at 8:32 PM, rmy108 wrote:Deepak teaches his versions of the sidhis based on the Shiva Sutras. He worked with brahmins from Benares Hindu University and the Shankaracharya and some local pundits in America (or at least he gives credit to all of those people). But it was not in 1980. It was after he left the TMO. He also used the same sources to develop his meditation technique, which he calls Primordial Sound meditation (which is NOT the same technique that he taught in his TM years). Primordial Sound meditation is the same as TM, but he uses a different pool of mantras. His version of the sidhis is different from the TM sidhis in that he uses different sutras and uses them differently. Are you an initiate of his techniques or is this something you heard form someone else?Fascinating, thanks. Benares Hindu University is the creme de la creme. Many, if not most of the 350,000 Brahmin pundits who were displaced from Kashmir by the Islamic occupation there landed in Benares. It's always been a Hindu Noah's Ark, but now even moreso.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
  vajranatha@ wrote:
  
   
   On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:31 PM, ffia1120 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
  vajranatha@ wrote:
   
   
On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues
  wrote:
   
There were some interesting claims by Chopra. 
  He claimed to have
learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga
  Sutras from the
Shankaracharya in 1980.
   
   
That just sounds so ODD.
   
I am wondering if he just got confused about the
  years? I am not  
making
excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop
  and think, OK, in  
'84 I
graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85,
  or was that '86? And
what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF -
  was that 86 or 87? And
when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or
  90? I really have to
stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+
  years ago was not a
liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who
  knows, maybe it's a
combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his
  ego has gotten in the
way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.
   
   
   Yeah I wonder the same thing. I have a very high
  opinion of Deepak,  
   so I would also tend to give him slack--perhaps he
  was speaking off  
   the cuff.
  
  
  Chopra NEVER spoke off-the-cuff. His skill is in
  making it sound like he does.
 
 Chopra was not involved in spiritual pursuits prior to
 his involvement with the TMO which started in 1981. 

When did he learn TM, according to your understanding? My recollection is that 
it was 
some months or years prior to meeting MMY.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread gullible fool


My guess would be the primoridal sound technique. I
got that in Stoneham in May 88, right before another
trip to ff. 

--- ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hmmm.. I don't know what he was doing (besides
 practicing medicine) 
 prior to joining MMY. Sounds though, like he is
 either lying or has 
 his timeline messed up/confused. I met him before he
 got too involved 
 with the TMO and he was a very honest, ethical
 person back then. But 
 the TMO has been known to corrupt a person or two.
 ;-) (P.S. I got a 
 technique in his Stoneham office back in '86 or '87,
 too. I cannot 
 for the life of me remember what it was, though. Oh
 the wonders of 
 the aging brain.) 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 curtisdeltablues 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120
 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or
 '86. Certainly not 
   before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital
 in the Boston 
 area 
   before he got invloved with the TMO.
  
  So he was practicing a technique like the sidhis
 before he met MMY? 
  See my timeline problem with his story?  He was
 selling MMY's Chopra
  technique by '87.
  
  
  
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 curtisdeltablues 
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
There were some interesting claims by Chopra. 
 He claimed to 
 have
learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga
 Sutras from the
Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some
 interesting time 
 line
issues.  Is he describing his experience with
 MMY on a sidhi 
   course? 
He mixes up a few different techniques in his
 description, some
virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which
 he sold to me 
 right in
his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700
 in around '87, and 
 some
other forgiveness techniques common in new age
 seminars.  Could 
 any 
   of
this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?

His magic bird attraction story also has
 problems for me.  
 Holding 
   out
food to tame birds makes them come to you for
 the food.  
 Without the
food he would have an unusual story.  With the
 food you've got
nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound
 like magic at 
 first. 
He claims  that after the three week course
 with the 
   Shankaracharya ,
he would see a bird on a tree and have the
 intention for it to 
 come 
   to
him and it would. Later he mentions using
 grain or nuts to feed 
 the
birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts,
 most birds can't 
 eat
them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't
 want grain but 
   pigeons
love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense
 up start to 
 finish.

Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is
 lying?  Watch 
 his 
   lips,
if they are moving, bingo!
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc