[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread off_world_beings
I heard PeeWee Herman is speaking for the TMO in Vegas.

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 Please! What has the TMO become when Mr. Lynch is our
 primary spokesperson of note.
 
 --- Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Lynch coming to town 
  
  Offbeat filmmaker David Lynch has scheduled an
  appearance at the University of
  Michigan's Power Center for the Performing Arts, 121
  Fletcher St., at 7 p.m. Sept.
  25. 
  
  The director of Mulholland Drive'' and Wild at
  Heart'' - and creator of the
  television series Twin Peaks'' - is slated to
  address the creative process in
  filmmaking, and what part his 30-year practice of
  transcendental meditation has
  played in his work. The talk is free and open to the
  public. 
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please! What has the TMO become when Mr. Lynch is our
 primary spokesperson of note.

And he's primarly pitching his films and filmaking, TM is secondary.
He's into weird stuff  wait that might work.

JohnY

PS coming to Philadelphia too. (Setting up the male and female
interview lines now, but still searching for that proper vastu.)


 
 --- Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Lynch coming to town 
  
  Offbeat filmmaker David Lynch has scheduled an
  appearance at the University of
  Michigan's Power Center for the Performing Arts, 121
  Fletcher St., at 7 p.m. Sept.
  25. 
  
  The director of Mulholland Drive'' and Wild at
  Heart'' - and creator of the
  television series Twin Peaks'' - is slated to
  address the creative process in
  filmmaking, and what part his 30-year practice of
  transcendental meditation has
  played in his work. The talk is free and open to the
  public. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Please! What has the TMO become when Mr. Lynch is our
 primary spokesperson of note.
 
 --- Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Lynch coming to town 
  
  Offbeat filmmaker David Lynch has scheduled an
  appearance at the University of
  Michigan's Power Center for the Performing Arts, 121
  Fletcher St., at 7 p.m. Sept.
  25. 
  
  The director of Mulholland Drive'' and Wild at
  Heart'' - and creator of the
  television series Twin Peaks'' - is slated to
  address the creative process in
  filmmaking, and what part his 30-year practice of
  transcendental meditation has
  played in his work. The talk is free and open to the
  public. 


And who was the best spokesman for the TMO prior to Mr. Lynch?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread Vaj
Deepak rocked!


On 9/12/05 11:49 AM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And who was the best spokesman for the TMO prior to Mr. Lynch?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deepak rocked!
 
 
 On 9/12/05 11:49 AM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  And who was the best spokesman for the TMO prior to Mr. Lynch?

And once he got big enough to be noticed, he left the TMO.

The TMO created Deepak Chopra. I know. I was there. I helped.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread Vaj



On 9/12/05 12:01 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deepak rocked!
 
 
 On 9/12/05 11:49 AM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 And who was the best spokesman for the TMO prior to Mr. Lynch?
 
 And once he got big enough to be noticed, he left the TMO.
 
 The TMO created Deepak Chopra. I know. I was there. I helped.

Why *did* he leave? I assumed he just got tired of being monetarily bled to
death and other similar BS.


He went on later to get authorized by one of the Shanks I'd heard...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deepak rocked!
 

The credit card incident? 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread Rick Archer
on 9/12/05 11:08 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 9/12/05 12:01 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deepak rocked!
 
 
 On 9/12/05 11:49 AM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 And who was the best spokesman for the TMO prior to Mr. Lynch?
 
 And once he got big enough to be noticed, he left the TMO.
 
 The TMO created Deepak Chopra. I know. I was there. I helped.
 
 Why *did* he leave? I assumed he just got tired of being monetarily bled to
 death and other similar BS.

Couldn't stand the inner-circle politics - especially friction with Bevan -
and some of the weird things Maharishi was asking him to do, like renounce
his US citizenship in order to run for Prime Minister of India under the
Natural Law Party. He also took a lot of heat over some JAMA article. Wasn't
he being sued or something? And the TMO didn't stand by him.

Also, he obviously had a larger role to play that would have been stifled by
continued TMO participation.

The story is told in detail on
http://www.hindunet.org/alt_hindu/1994/msg00671.html





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread Peter


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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Deepak rocked!
   
  
  The credit card incident?
 
 Do tell!

It was just low level, though perhaps understated, humor -- linking
rocked as in rocked his world, with past allegations that charges
for a call girl showed up on Depak's credit card at one point. The
case ( as well as sexual harrassment charges in San Diego) were
settled in court -- though frankly I forget the details. You can find
fuller stories on 
Trancenet and San Diego Union if you are truly interested. 

Not to be confused with Harold Bloomfields sexual misconduct case in
San Diego.

There is something about high profile TMO-related doctors in San
Diego. Is it the air? The sun, surf and shakti?  




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread Vaj



On 9/12/05 12:28 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deepak rocked!
 
 
 The credit card incident?
 
 Do tell!

Yes, please do!




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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 He also took a lot of heat over some JAMA article. Wasn't
 he being sued or something? And the TMO didn't stand by him.

Aiee, no.  The issue was whether Chopra would sue JAMA
and the writer of the article.  Two TMO-related
organizations were already suing, weren't having much
success, and wanted Chopra to join them, but wouldn't
pay his legal fees, as I understand it.

The article took aim at the TMO in general, but at
Chopra in particular, accusing him of dishonesty in
submitting his own article to JAMA on Maharishi
Ayur-Veda without revealing his financial connections
to the TMO (along with his co-authors, Triguna and
another big TMO scientific cheese whose name I can't
recall at the moment).

It was purported to be an expose of the TMO's dirty
doings but was in fact a carefully crafted tissue of
fractional truths designed to convey an impression
contrary to fact.  It caused the TMO no end of grief.

The writer didn't lie outright, so there wasn't much
of a legal case against him, and the suit was
eventually dismissed without prejudice.

The writer got all kinds of awards for his great
courage and dedication to the truth.  (This was
Andrew Skolnick, whom I mentioned in a different
context in another post.  Skolnick was a regular
participant on alt.m.t some years back, and there's
endless analysis of his article and the legal case
in the archives if anyone is interested.  It's
pretty complicated.)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
  
  --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Deepak rocked!

   
   The credit card incident?
  
  Do tell!
 
 It was just low level, though perhaps understated, humor -- linking
 rocked as in rocked his world, with past allegations that
 charges for a call girl showed up on Depak's credit card at one 
 point. The case ( as well as sexual harrassment charges in San 
 Diego) were settled in court -- though frankly I forget the 
 details. You can find fuller stories on Trancenet and San Diego 
 Union if you are truly interested. 

Don't know about the sexual harassment case, but the
credit card thing turned out to be untrue; Chopra was
able to document that he was out of the country at the
time the credit card was charged.  I'm not sure they
ever figured out who had made the charge, or if it was
even genuine.

In any case, the right-wing Weekly Standard, which had
published the accusation, was forced to recant and,
as I recall, publish an apology.



 
 Not to be confused with Harold Bloomfields sexual misconduct case in
 San Diego.
 
 There is something about high profile TMO-related doctors in San
 Diego. Is it the air? The sun, surf and shakti?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   
   
   --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deepak rocked!
 

The credit card incident?
   
   Do tell!
  
  It was just low level, though perhaps understated, humor -- linking
  rocked as in rocked his world, with past allegations that
  charges for a call girl showed up on Depak's credit card at one 
  point. The case ( as well as sexual harrassment charges in San 
  Diego) were settled in court -- though frankly I forget the 
  details. You can find fuller stories on Trancenet and San Diego 
  Union if you are truly interested. 
 
 Don't know about the sexual harassment case, but the
 credit card thing turned out to be untrue; Chopra was
 able to document that he was out of the country at the
 time the credit card was charged.  I'm not sure they
 ever figured out who had made the charge, or if it was
 even genuine.
 
 In any case, the right-wing Weekly Standard, which had
 published the accusation, was forced to recant and,
 as I recall, publish an apology.
 

Yes, that sounds correct. I am sketchy on the details. 

Like I said, it was just a low level joke. Not an intended slur on
Chopra, though that may have been the result.

But there is a pattern, a if there is smoke .. sort of thing in my
mind. I have read accounts of Chopra using a very heavy handed lawyer
to clamp down on any bad PR. Seeking truth was not the issue, was my
impression. Rather it was to such down the story. That may or may
not have applied to the credit card story. And the sexual harrassement
cases at his center in La Jolla. 

But there were also a number of stories in the local San Diego papers
on Chopra's management style and business practices -- sourced from
former employees -- that raised eyebrows. Maybe all false. But in my
mind, there is a pattern. And the hard-hitting lawyer appears to be
fact -- if transcripts of conversations are to believed. Anyway, there
is smoke coming from a number of directions. No actual fires? Perhaps.
Perhaps not. I am open, but for me, the jury is still out as to
whether all is pure and pristine in Chopra land. 

But I like the guy's lectures, and some of his books.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 But there were also a number of stories in the local San Diego 
 papers on Chopra's management style and business practices -- 
 sourced from former employees -- that raised eyebrows. Maybe all 
 false. But in my mind, there is a pattern. And the hard-hitting 
 lawyer appears to be fact -- if transcripts of conversations are to 
 believed. Anyway, there is smoke coming from a number of 
 directions. No actual fires? Perhaps. Perhaps not. I am open, but 
 for me, the jury is still out as to whether all is pure and 
 pristine in Chopra land.

I'm no fan of Chopra, and I wouldn't be at all
surprised to learn all was not pure and pristine
in Chopra land.

By the same token, though, he's been a tempting
target for a lot of less-than-pure-and-pristine
muckraking efforts.  I take both sides with a 
large saltshaker handy.

 But I like the guy's lectures, and some of his books.

When he was teaching and writing about MMY's knowledge
straight, there was none better.  He lost me when he
began to veer off into moodmaking and other New Agey
stuff.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   
   
   --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deepak rocked!
 

The credit card incident?
   
   Do tell!
  
  It was just low level, though perhaps understated, humor -- linking
  rocked as in rocked his world, with past allegations that
  charges for a call girl showed up on Depak's credit card at one 
  point. The case ( as well as sexual harrassment charges in San 
  Diego) were settled in court -- though frankly I forget the 
  details. You can find fuller stories on Trancenet and San Diego 
  Union if you are truly interested. 
 
 Don't know about the sexual harassment case, but the
 credit card thing turned out to be untrue; Chopra was
 able to document that he was out of the country at the
 time the credit card was charged.  I'm not sure they
 ever figured out who had made the charge, or if it was
 even genuine.
 
 In any case, the right-wing Weekly Standard, which had
 published the accusation, was forced to recant and,
 as I recall, publish an apology.


But there appears to have been a number of call girl charges. Its
implausible he was out of the country for all of them. 

Also, minor point, but the posting vs transaction date on the charges
could be used to create true but empty claims of being out of the
country -- that is when it was posted. 

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.pakistan/browse_thread/thread/3ef5871e12e5bb9a/d98cf734c3217d9d?lnk=stq=deepak+chopra+credit+card+prostitute+OR+call+girl+source:the_weekly_standardrnum=4hl=en#d98cf734c3217d9d

...His lawyer, Michael Flynn, vehemently denied the
   charges. 'Total horse--,' he called them. But it is
   hardly Bangert's word against Chopra's lawyer's. She
   has produced Chopra's American Express credit-card
   vouchers with the imprint of her escort service The
   credit card reads, 'Dr. Deepak Chopra Pres. MAPI Inc.'
   Chopra was the former president and a consultant to
   MAPI [Maharishi Ayurveda Products International] at the
   time.

   Bangert volunteered to take a lie-detector test, which
   we took her up on -- and which she passed, even after
   our examiner asked her the same questions four times.
   When I inquired whether Chopra would be willing to take
   a lie-detector test, his lawyer said, 'You think
   Chopra's gonna spend five minutes on this stupid
   thing?'

   Maybe not, but Flynn, whose in-your-face tactics a
   former New York magazine fact-checker described as 'one
   of the most unpleasant things I've ever endured,' spent
   nearly 30 highly combative minutes on the phone with
   me, bandying countercharges, offering a host of
   defenses, and providing no documentation for
   either

   Overall, I asked Flynn to corroborate his assertions
   or offer evidence to discredit Judy Bangert 26 times in
   the course of our interview Flynn threatened
   repeatedly to sue for libel. 'If [Chopra] wants me to
   tell you to go jump in the f--ing lake -- print
   whatever you want, and then we'll bring a lawsuit to
   expose the truth,' was one of his gentler admonitions.

   {In a startling coincidence, Mr. Flynn is associated
   with well-known cult-fighting lawyer, Ford Greene. Ford
   Greene, known for his cases against the Moonies and
   others, declined to represent Jonie Flint in her case
   against Chopra because of a conflict of interest
   through his working relationship with Flynn.} 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread Peter


--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip
 
 
 But there appears to have been a number of call girl
 charges. Its
 implausible he was out of the country for all of
 them.

Well maybe he has a really big...ernever mind.

 
 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

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--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am open, but for me, the jury is
 still out as to
 whether all is pure and pristine in Chopra land. 
 
 But I like the guy's lectures, and some of his
 books.

The earlier ones were all ghost written by a guy on
purusha!



 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread Rick Archer
on 9/12/05 12:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I am open, but for me, the jury is
 still out as to
 whether all is pure and pristine in Chopra land.
 
 But I like the guy's lectures, and some of his
 books.
 
 The earlier ones were all ghost written by a guy on
 purusha!

Huntley Dent. He left Purusha and continued writing Deepak books. I think
he's ghost written most of them, including the Merlin novel. He's a rich
dude now. He's nearly blind and has his monitor adjusted to make the type
really big. Reportedly he can hold a lot of information in his head and type
it out without having to see what's on his monitor all the time.

I taught Deepak's intro TM course in the Cambridge center. Ted Weisman
initiated him. He was a bit skeptical at first but warmed up quickly. Ted
and I visited him at his house and later stayed in his parents' house in New
Delhi for two months during the Vedic Science conference. Deepak always
struck me as very sweet, unassuming, and good-hearted in those days. I think
fame and ambition may have gotten a grip on him.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread Cliff
Kelly and I just saw him a few weeks ago at the Omega Institute in Rhinebeck,
NY.  We were there helping to teach a course on Sacred Sex (www.artofbeing.com),
and Deepak was there teaching a week seminar.  I'd worked with him for
a few months at MIU-CNL in DC back in 1984-85, and he had asked Maharishi
if I could be his main assistant.  M chose an Indian couple (Anju and Sushil) 
instead, which apparently didn't work out well at all.

In any case, Deepak recognized me, but did the I'm a celebrity now and you
don't have anything to offer me courteous blow-off routine.  Understandable,
I suppose.  But the simplicity and genuine caring that I felt in him back 20 
years
ago was completely absent.  Sad...



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 9/12/05 12:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I am open, but for me, the jury is
  still out as to
  whether all is pure and pristine in Chopra land.
  
  But I like the guy's lectures, and some of his
  books.
  
  The earlier ones were all ghost written by a guy on
  purusha!
 
 Huntley Dent. He left Purusha and continued writing Deepak books. I think
 he's ghost written most of them, including the Merlin novel. He's a rich
 dude now. He's nearly blind and has his monitor adjusted to make the type
 really big. Reportedly he can hold a lot of information in his head and type
 it out without having to see what's on his monitor all the time.
 
 I taught Deepak's intro TM course in the Cambridge center. Ted Weisman
 initiated him. He was a bit skeptical at first but warmed up quickly. Ted
 and I visited him at his house and later stayed in his parents' house in New
 Delhi for two months during the Vedic Science conference. Deepak always
 struck me as very sweet, unassuming, and good-hearted in those days. I think
 fame and ambition may have gotten a grip on him.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Kelly and I just saw him a few weeks ago at the Omega Institute in 
Rhinebeck,

snip

In any case, Deepak recognized me, but did the I'm a celebrity now 
and you
 don't have anything to offer me courteous blow-off routine.  
Understandable,
 I suppose.  But the simplicity and genuine caring that I felt in him 
back 20 years
 ago was completely absent.  Sad...

I believe Deepak's true colors have been illustrated in this and some 
of the previous posts.  But how is it that this kind of fraudulant 
personality still gets play. I mean you can say that the lesser 
educated may be fair fodder for the evangelists, but Deepak's 
audience is the sophisticated, well educated, new agers.  Do they not 
recognize what seems so obvious to me?

lurk
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 9/12/05 12:01 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Deepak rocked!
  
  
  On 9/12/05 11:49 AM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  And who was the best spokesman for the TMO prior to Mr. Lynch?
  
  And once he got big enough to be noticed, he left the TMO.
  
  The TMO created Deepak Chopra. I know. I was there. I helped.
 
 Why *did* he leave? I assumed he just got tired of being monetarily 
bled to
 death and other similar BS.

Chopra was selling his books hand-over-fist due to TMO efforts at 
publicity. A large portion of Purusha was dedicated full-time to 
promoting him, not to mention many of us field volunteers who saw his 
potential as a great PR figurehead if promoted properly. CHopra was 
making a LOT of money off the TMO but bowed out as his fame grew to 
the point where he no longer needed TMO backing to sell his stuff. He 
also started pocketing his lecturer's fees, rather than donating them 
to the Maharishi Ayurveda Foundation.

 
 
 He went on later to get authorized by one of the Shanks I'd heard...

The successor to Swami Vasudevananda whom everyone on this forum 
feels is a non-entity.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[...]
 I am open, but for me, the jury is still out as to
 whether all is pure and pristine in Chopra land. 
 
 But I like the guy's lectures, and some of his books.

His books written during his time with MMY are quite nice, imho, but 
the stuff that came later is kinda ick, again IMHO.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread Rick Archer
on 9/12/05 10:29 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Just about any Deepak fan gets turned off to Deepak once they read
 _Return of the Rishi_. Even though most New Agers don't like TM, they
 can recognize a scam artist by what he fails to say about himself
 once he gets famous.(Return of the Rishi is CHopra's autobiography
 and has been out of print for many, many years).

What is it about Return of the Rishi that turns them off?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 9/12/05 10:29 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Just about any Deepak fan gets turned off to Deepak once they read
  _Return of the Rishi_. Even though most New Agers don't like TM, 
they
  can recognize a scam artist by what he fails to say about himself
  once he gets famous.(Return of the Rishi is CHopra's autobiography
  and has been out of print for many, many years).
 
 What is it about Return of the Rishi that turns them off?

What Chopra has neglected to say about his origins since he stopped 
having it published.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch coming to Ann Arbor 9/25

2005-09-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [...]
  The article took aim at the TMO in general, but at
  Chopra in particular, accusing him of dishonesty in
  submitting his own article to JAMA on Maharishi
  Ayur-Veda without revealing his financial connections
  to the TMO (along with his co-authors, Triguna and
  another big TMO scientific cheese whose name I can't
  recall at the moment).
 
 Hari Sharma. CHopra and Hari really should have known better. Hari
 had gotten a million dollar long-term grant from MAF around that 
 timeto do research and it was very shady (in a who-gives-a-f-ck-
 anyway? sort of way) to fail to mention that. Fortunately for Hari, 
 Skolnick didn't realize the time-frame for getting the grant. I 
 didn't find out til years later, and Hari couldn't answer the 
 timeframe question without referring to his notes when I asked him 
 about it.

Yeah, I still wonder if there was some element
of a set-up or sting on JAMA's part.  I wonder
whether JAMA may have known much of what it 
subsequently reported as having discovered
after the fact, and deliberately misled Chopra
et al. about what was required in the
declaration; or at least knew when it received
the declaration that it wasn't complete, and
instead of sending it back for the authors to fix,
or bagging their article entirely, accepted the
declaration and went ahead and published the
article knowing it was  going to cry foul and
smear the authors and the TMO.

The embarrassment to JAMA for having been
hoodwinked was far outweighed by the plaudits
it--and especially Skolnick--received for
exposing the purported malefactors.

Not to exonerate Chopra and Sharma, but I think
there was some cooperation from JAMA.  I'd love
to get Chopra drunk sometime and ask him point-
blank exactly what went on.





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