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Gate's father campaigned for an initiative to raise taxes on the rich in Washington state which didn't pass... Michael Jackson wrote: You are living in a dreamworld if you think Gates is responsible with his wealth given the fact that he is bent of helping Monsanto and the Big Pharma corporations take over the world... Reality check for MJ: You're using Windows. LoL! And, apparently you've accepted MMY's anti-GMO notion. Go figure. In modern psychology, cognitive dissonance is the discomfort experienced when simultaneously holding two or more conflicting cognitions... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
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Based on my own experience (winning fairly much selling Nokia shares some 13 years back) I think I'm in a position to confirm that. Not that I became *very* wealthy, but anyhoo... At least I, a gynophobic(?; with almost 7,5 inches, bone-press*), became much more courageous as to women! But now, I'm back in square one, so to speak. LoL and go figure! * pariNaama-taapa-saMskaara-duHkhair, **guNa-vRtti-virodhaac** ca duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: There is some research that shows that people who are very wealthy show differences in how their brains function compared to average people and that these differences start to show up pretty much instantly if someone wins a major lottery. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: There is some research that shows that people who are very wealthy show differences in how their brains function compared to average people and that these differences start to show up pretty much instantly if someone wins a major lottery. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder. Wiki: Career [edit] In 1979, aged 25, he started working for the Nestlé group and worked in different countries, including Switzerland, Spain, Belgium, Peru, Ecuador, Chile, Portugal, Czech Republic and Germany. Before his appointment as CEO of Nestlé, he was the Head of America (EVP of Americas divisions). Bulcke has described Nestlé under his tenure as 'une force tranquille' (English: 'calm strength'). He is known for having a reserved, quiet personal manner.[1] Born1954 Roeselare, West Flanders, Belgium Nationality Belgian Alma mater Katholieke Universiteit Leuven and Vlerick Leuven Gent Management School Occupation Businessman Years active1979present Salary SFr 10,749,291 Title CEO of Nestlé Term2008present Predecessor Peter Brabeck-Letmathe Successor Incumbent Spouse(s) Mrs Bulcke Children3
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: There is some research that shows that people who are very wealthy show differences in how their brains function compared to average people and that these differences start to show up pretty much instantly if someone wins a major lottery. L What are the differences? Citation, please. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: There is some research that shows that people who are very wealthy show differences in how their brains function compared to average people and that these differences start to show up pretty much instantly if someone wins a major lottery. L I was courious if brain functioning is different in wealthy people as Lawson says. I didn't find anything about brain functioning but found an article that measured physiological differences in capacity for empathy. Wealth may give you a better brain. It may make you a more strategic thinker, a savvier planner. (Research has shown that the more a person is able to imagine himself in the future, the more cash he is likely to have in his savings account.) And the cognitive benefits of affluence may accrue incrementally, speculates Dovidio, so that very rich people have better brain functioning than moderately rich people. These hypotheses are at the untested frontier of the new science... The efficiencies of the affluent brain may trigger the shutting down of what the researchers call pro-social impulses and lead people toward the kinds of behaviors that a hedge-fund manager I spoke to characterized as ruthless. They're more willing to hurt others in their quest for money, he said. When you look at people who've done exceptionally well, it tends to be the difficult people. Read more: The Money-Empathy Gap http://nymag.com/news/features/money-brain-2012-7/index4.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
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This ties in with a response I made earlier to Lawson, but which for some reason Yahoo wouldn't let me post at the time: I'd be interested in a citation about this research, if you can track it down. I've always been fascinated by the subject. It would be interesting to hear what researchers feel that these brain changes map to in terms of behavior and beliefs. One of the things I would expect -- both from those who were born and raised rich and those who become rich suddenly -- would be the development of delusions about their own self importance. The belief that people should pay attention to them and listen to their opinions, for example. I would expect that wealth translates to greater self-identification and an increasingly delusional belief in one's own self-importance and effect upon the world. I would also expect those delusions to have nothing to do with one's *real* effect on the world. In other words, I would suspect that rich people who give only the absolute minimum of their money to charity to qualify for tax deductions feel that they've done as much for humanity as people like Bill Gates, who has recently stated that his life plan is to give away 90% of his wealth before he dies. In Bill's case, I suspect it has been the influence of his wife (who, by all reports, is quite a lovely and charming woman) who has helped him to find a sense of balance with regard to his immense wealth. Other rich people have not been so lucky. This week in Paris, I've been staying near the Bastille, which is not as upscale as the Vth or VIth arrondissements, but still has its share of luxury. I live across the street from one of the most famous restaurants in Paris, called Bofinger (pronounced Beaux-fan-zhey, not the way it sounds to us Americans). From my window I can see rich people pulling up in their chauffeur-driven limos and going in to spend 150-200 per person on a meal. A few feet away from the entrance is a family that literally lives on the street there. The man, his wife, and small child live on a blanket spread out on the sidewalk. They sleep there, and obviously beg for a living. During this last week, I have not seen even ONE person going into or leaving from that restaurant give them a penny. One woman even kicked the child when she got in her way. On the other hand, *most* of the middle-class or even relatively poor working folks passing by give them money. I give them every coin in my pockets every time I pass by; I suspect I've spent more on them this last week than coffee, which at 4 a cup in the cafes I frequent is a lot. Bruce Cockburn wrote a song early in his career that kinda summed up his approach to life. Having worked busking the streets in Paris himself, he brought some authority to the words, and to the sentiment. I think that experience of relying on the compassion of others helped to turn him into the sensitive and compassionate guy he still is. Sometimes I think that the rich of this world would benefit from spending a little time on the streets themselves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0abqtW4mgg Oh I have been a beggar And shall be one again And few the ones with help to lend Within the world of men One day I walk in flowers one day I walk on stones Today I walk in hours One day I shall be home I've sat on the street corner And watched the bootheels shine And cried out glad and cried out sad With every voice but mine One day I walk in flowers one day I walk on stones Today I walk in hours One day I shall be home One day I shall be home --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: There is some research that shows that people who are very wealthy show differences in how their brains function compared to average people and that these differences start to show up pretty much instantly if someone wins a major lottery. I was courious if brain functioning is different in wealthy people as Lawson says. I didn't find anything about brain functioning but found an article that measured physiological differences in capacity for empathy. Wealth may give you a better brain. It may make you a more strategic thinker, a savvier planner. (Research has shown that the more a person is able to imagine himself in the future, the more cash he is likely to have in his savings account.) And the cognitive benefits of affluence may accrue incrementally, speculates Dovidio, so that very rich people have better brain functioning than moderately rich people. These hypotheses are at the untested frontier of the new science... The efficiencies of the affluent brain may trigger the shutting down of what the researchers call pro-social impulses and lead people toward the kinds of behaviors that a hedge-fund manager I spoke to characterized as ruthless. They're more willing to hurt others in their quest for money, he
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Cardemaister! Are you really writing about your masculine body parts in Sanskrit?! Only on FFL (-: Anyway, probably some jyotish explanation for the gynophobia. How about some nice yagyas or pujas for Venus and or Moon? Congratulations on your, to use Sho-gun language, lavish endowments. Perhaps such engenders fear on a subtle level because if one is rejected anyway, it makes one mistakenly think there's a lack elsewhere in one's offerings? Not to mention the unrealistic expectations. I have wondered if the marriages of some movie stars aren't hindered by their being so gorgeous and consequently expecting spouse to be always totally enamored. When that does not happen, all hell breaks loose. Maybe it's more difficult to have realistic expectations about love and marriage when one is extraordinarily gifted in some way whether it be in looks or riches or athletic prowess. From: card cardemais...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water Based on my own experience (winning fairly much selling Nokia shares some 13 years back) I think I'm in a position to confirm that. Not that I became *very* wealthy, but anyhoo... At least I, a gynophobic(?; with almost 7,5 inches, bone-press*), became much more courageous as to women! But now, I'm back in square one, so to speak. LoL and go figure! * pariNaama-taapa-saMskaara-duHkhair, **guNa-vRtti-virodhaac** ca duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: There is some research that shows that people who are very wealthy show differences in how their brains function compared to average people and that these differences start to show up pretty much instantly if someone wins a major lottery. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
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L, a few decades ago, I got to the point where I literally had $25 to my name. I can say from experience, that definitely does something to the brain functioning! The system is often flooded with the chemicals of fear. Now I have financial security and that too does something to the brain though in the positive direction. I think the bar for financial security might be set lower for me as I live in a fairly inexpensive place and am content with a comfortable but simple lifestyle. And that bar might be set fairly high for people who lived through the Great Depression. I've read that many lottery winners spend most of their winnings pretty quickly whereas many wealthy people are reportedly frugal. It would be interesting to compare their fMRIs. From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water There is some research that shows that people who are very wealthy show differences in how their brains function compared to average people and that these differences start to show up pretty much instantly if someone wins a major lottery. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
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Wasn't your dad the CEO of Kraft at one time? From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: There is some research that shows that people who are very wealthy show differences in how their brains function compared to average people and that these differences start to show up pretty much instantly if someone wins a major lottery. Well, although this sounds fascinating it is not actually telling me anything specific. Can you elaborate? Perhaps the endorphins produced by the euphoria of winning lots of money causes this - or what? It doesn't sound like anything that is hard wired in there because apparently a particular circumstance had to bring out the differences in how their brains function. Pray, do tell more. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Wasn't your dad the CEO of Kraft at one time? Yes, from 1973 until 1985 when he retired. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
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Aha! The mini-marshmallows!! AND the ultimate food product, Cheese Whiz(R)!!! When I was a kid, we lived places where fresh dairy products were unavailable. So when Mom brought home a block of Velveeta(R) from the PX, it was *Game On*! I also had the unusual opportunity to live among the wealthy, while not coming from a family with money. We were one of the only families in the Foreign Service, actually living on my Dad's salary. Most of the others were independently wealthy, not having to work, though still had a sense of duty and service to their country. So, my friends and acquaintances tended to be well off, when I was growing up. I didn't notice any wealth-specific traits. Sure, some were jerks, but a lot of them were cool, too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Wasn't your dad the CEO of Kraft at one time? Yes, from 1973 until 1985 when he retired. From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Aha! The mini-marshmallows!! AND the ultimate food product, Cheese Whiz(R)!!! When I was a kid, we lived places where fresh dairy products were unavailable. So when Mom brought home a block of Velveeta(R) from the PX, it was *Game On*! I also had the unusual opportunity to live among the wealthy, while not coming from a family with money. We were one of the only families in the Foreign Service, actually living on my Dad's salary. Most of the others were independently wealthy, not having to work, though still had a sense of duty and service to their country. So, my friends and acquaintances tended to be well off, when I was growing up. I didn't notice any wealth-specific traits. Sure, some were jerks, but a lot of them were cool, too. Phew, for a few moments I thought you might not like me any more because my dad was a CEO! As a child we were moved around every three or four years my whole life until our final 'resting place' in Chicago in 1973. Part of that time was in Europe (I was 9 when we moved to Germany and 17 when we were finally transferred back to the US from England). I loved every moment of the moving and the experiences. I had so many friends in the same boat; many of the fathers were execs but some were military and others were foreign students wanting the excellent education the International schools I attended had to offer for their children. All in all an extremely enriching experience. I am pretty sure rich people are no more jerky or not jerky than less rich people. I can't quite believe this subject would even really come up. It is pretty ridiculous. For sure many rich people or conglomerations of people have too much power but that goes for governments, mobs of fanatics and various religious organizations. It is not so much about the money but about what humans do with their situation. Just because one has a healthy bank account does not mean they automatically become despots or overly selfish. But you know that, it is not even worth bringing up it is so simplistic a concept. Anyway, I certainly don't identify with wealth or money. It is not who I am. I simply look at it as an amazing opportunity to do more of what I want to do and it can buy me a certain amount of free time if I were to so choose (which I haven't). I have quite a bit of that Puritan work ethic in there so although I could have 'retired' at the age of 40 when my last parent died I wouldn't have considered it. Instead, I never worked harder in my life running a 25 horse training and boarding stable with 13 hour work days, riding multiple horses a day, teaching lessons and working the barn. It was hard work and gruelling at times just like any business can be. For me there will be no retirement. I don't understand what that concept means. However, because I love my current job I am very, very fortunate. I have never felt otherwise; I am not sure why life has been so amazingly good to me. Even if I were to end up drooling and paralyzed in a wheel chair tomorrow I will never feel otherwise. My life has been a supreme gift in every way. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Wasn't your dad the CEO of Kraft at one time? Yes, from 1973 until 1985 when he retired. From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
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Billionairism is a mental disorder. salyavin: Quite right, I always put £5 into a jar to help pay my ever escalating ultility bills whenever I have a cup of coffee. It's only fair - these guys have got massive yachts to maintain... According to what I've read, over in Sweden, the migrants get welfare, free access to schools up to university, a public transport system, free libraries and free healthcare. Go figure. Youth gang riots in the Swedish capital Stockholm have entered fifth straight night. Hundreds of mostly immigrant teenagers tore through the suburbs, smashing windows and burning cars in the country's worst outbreak of violence in years. 'Fifth night of youth rioting rocks Stockholm' http://tinyurl.com/nv59zcu
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@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
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On 05/27/2013 08:51 PM, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? Better to just rich and have the rich defend themselves than say some rich. How rich is rich? Those here who have read my posts over the years know that I'm not talking about the millionaire down the street. The clue was in my final statement in the post. There used to be this term back in the 50s and 60s: nouveau rich. That meant people who just became rich, would often unwisely flaunt their wealth even in a few years become nouveau poor. Later we called these yuppies. Wealth is a responsibility. I can change someone. And BTW, I not just someone casting aspersions from the peanut gallery. My own brother was an on again off again millionaire defense contractor (so I can also be a critic of the latter having seen it from the inside.). And if one thinks I'm jealous, I did okay in the 1990s as a tech guy. I'll talk about wealth more and billionaires when I respond to Turq's post. , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: Billionairism is a mental disorder. salyavin: Quite right, I always put £5 into a jar to help pay my ever escalating ultility bills whenever I have a cup of coffee. It's only fair - these guys have got massive yachts to maintain... According to what I've read, over in Sweden, the migrants get welfare, free access to schools up to university, a public transport system, free libraries and free healthcare. Go figure. They do everywhere in Europe, how is this relevant to what I said? according to the Swedes I know the amount of immigration is causing unrest because of the amount it costs the locals who have spent years paying in only to get their entitlement reduced to spread the money out. Same story all over Europe, everything is getting cut back to pay the billionaire bankers back for ruining the economy but they are the only ones who will not be suffering, them and their private school lackeys in government, there will be jobs for the boys when they get out of power, just keep the Tobin tax low and the old school ties will do their work. Revolution soon if everyone isn't too tired from running just to stand still Youth gang riots in the Swedish capital Stockholm have entered fifth straight night. Hundreds of mostly immigrant teenagers tore through the suburbs, smashing windows and burning cars in the country's worst outbreak of violence in years. 'Fifth night of youth rioting rocks Stockholm' http://tinyurl.com/nv59zcu
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When I was living in Redmond (home of Microsoft) near Seattle around 1990, local newscaster Jean Enerson did an interview with Bill Gates. She asked him about his wealth. You would have loved his Buddhist like response. He knew he had money but it was out there somewhere and didn't think about it much nor had much attachment too it. Bill's father was a corporate attorney and most likely advised Bill when Microsoft start flowing with money. Most likely his income got turned over to a good financial management firm. Which is what many people do who find themselves coming into money. Or like the old nouveau rich might just blow all that money and become nouveau poor. The TV series Lost made an example of this out of the character Hurley who as a slacker fast food employee wins a big lottery prize. He does wisely have a financial services firm invest that money. There were some episodes where he checks in with them and finds out that he owns some company he has been having some problems with. Gates is an accidental billionaire just like Facebook's Zuckerberg. But those two are miles apart in personality. I once was liason between Gates and my company's President who had made a statement of displeasure about Microsoft to the press and so Bill had one of his VPs contact me because I had been involved with Microsoft in a Silicon Valley consortium known as Games PC. Gates was interested in what we thought Microsoft could be doing to make things better. I had also attended a Computer Bowl at the Tech Museum in San Jose which Gates was a co-emcee. Afterwards at the reception I was standing with one of our company programmers who had also attended the Bowl as Gates came walking our way. The main crowd was smoking so I commented looks like someone else doesn't care much for cigarette smoke. He got a few feet away and was suddenly mobbed by some of the crowd. He kept looking over at us and I think he had spied my company jacket and wanted to ask about the company. Rumors were he wanted to buy us as we distributed his pet project software for him. When I lived for that brief time in the 1969-70 in Mill Valley it was at the home of a woman who was from an old money family. I've mentioned here before that the father made the kids go out an earn a living on their own before they were allowed their trust fund. He wanted them to learn the value of money and how to be responsible with wealth. There are indeed good billionaires like Gates, Buffet, Mark Cuban, George Lucas, etc. They are responsible with their wealth. But the guy from Nestle's (unless that was a clever punk) seems a bit arrogant like the old aristocracy of Europe. BTW, I've been enjoying the Brazilian TV series on HBO Preamar which is about an investment banker who loses his job but doesn't tell his family (tells them he's on a sabbatical). It's very much about class conflict in Brazil and his fall from grace and trying to pick up the pieces. His mistake as a banker was that he invested some of the firm's clients in Madoff's scam. On 05/28/2013 03:59 AM, turquoiseb wrote: This ties in with a response I made earlier to Lawson, but which for some reason Yahoo wouldn't let me post at the time: I'd be interested in a citation about this research, if you can track it down. I've always been fascinated by the subject. It would be interesting to hear what researchers feel that these brain changes map to in terms of behavior and beliefs. One of the things I would expect -- both from those who were born and raised rich and those who become rich suddenly -- would be the development of delusions about their own self importance. The belief that people should pay attention to them and listen to their opinions, for example. I would expect that wealth translates to greater self-identification and an increasingly delusional belief in one's own self-importance and effect upon the world. I would also expect those delusions to have nothing to do with one's *real* effect on the world. In other words, I would suspect that rich people who give only the absolute minimum of their money to charity to qualify for tax deductions feel that they've done as much for humanity as people like Bill Gates, who has recently stated that his life plan is to give away 90% of his wealth before he dies. In Bill's case, I suspect it has been the influence of his wife (who, by all reports, is quite a lovely and charming woman) who has helped him to find a sense of balance with regard to his immense wealth. Other rich people have not been so lucky. This week in Paris, I've been staying near the Bastille, which is not as upscale as the Vth or VIth arrondissements, but still has its share of luxury. I live across the street from one of the most famous restaurants in Paris, called Bofinger (pronounced Beaux-fan-zhey, not the way it sounds to us Americans). From my window I can see rich people pulling up in their
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water
You are living in a dreamworld if you think Gates is responsible with his wealth given the fact that he is bent of helping Monsanto and the Big Pharma corporations take over the world. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water When I was living in Redmond (home of Microsoft) near Seattle around 1990, local newscaster Jean Enerson did an interview with Bill Gates. She asked him about his wealth. You would have loved his Buddhist like response. He knew he had money but it was out there somewhere and didn't think about it much nor had much attachment too it. Bill's father was a corporate attorney and most likely advised Bill when Microsoft start flowing with money. Most likely his income got turned over to a good financial management firm. Which is what many people do who find themselves coming into money. Or like the old nouveau rich might just blow all that money and become nouveau poor. The TV series Lost made an example of this out of the character Hurley who as a slacker fast food employee wins a big lottery prize. He does wisely have a financial services firm invest that money. There were some episodes where he checks in with them and finds out that he owns some company he has been having some problems with. Gates is an accidental billionaire just like Facebook's Zuckerberg. But those two are miles apart in personality. I once was liason between Gates and my company's President who had made a statement of displeasure about Microsoft to the press and so Bill had one of his VPs contact me because I had been involved with Microsoft in a Silicon Valley consortium known as Games PC. Gates was interested in what we thought Microsoft could be doing to make things better. I had also attended a Computer Bowl at the Tech Museum in San Jose which Gates was a co-emcee. Afterwards at the reception I was standing with one of our company programmers who had also attended the Bowl as Gates came walking our way. The main crowd was smoking so I commented looks like someone else doesn't care much for cigarette smoke. He got a few feet away and was suddenly mobbed by some of the crowd. He kept looking over at us and I think he had spied my company jacket and wanted to ask about the company. Rumors were he wanted to buy us as we distributed his pet project software for him. When I lived for that brief time in the 1969-70 in Mill Valley it was at the home of a woman who was from an old money family. I've mentioned here before that the father made the kids go out an earn a living on their own before they were allowed their trust fund. He wanted them to learn the value of money and how to be responsible with wealth. There are indeed good billionaires like Gates, Buffet, Mark Cuban, George Lucas, etc. They are responsible with their wealth. But the guy from Nestle's (unless that was a clever punk) seems a bit arrogant like the old aristocracy of Europe. BTW, I've been enjoying the Brazilian TV series on HBO Preamar which is about an investment banker who loses his job but doesn't tell his family (tells them he's on a sabbatical). It's very much about class conflict in Brazil and his fall from grace and trying to pick up the pieces. His mistake as a banker was that he invested some of the firm's clients in Madoff's scam. On 05/28/2013 03:59 AM, turquoiseb wrote: This ties in with a response I made earlier to Lawson, but which for some reason Yahoo wouldn't let me post at the time: I'd be interested in a citation about this research, if you can track it down. I've always been fascinated by the subject. It would be interesting to hear what researchers feel that these brain changes map to in terms of behavior and beliefs. One of the things I would expect -- both from those who were born and raised rich and those who become rich suddenly -- would be the development of delusions about their own self importance. The belief that people should pay attention to them and listen to their opinions, for example. I would expect that wealth translates to greater self-identification and an increasingly delusional belief in one's own self-importance and effect upon the world. I would also expect those delusions to have nothing to do with one's *real* effect on the world. In other words, I would suspect that rich people who give only the absolute minimum of their money to charity to qualify for tax deductions feel that they've done as much for humanity as people like Bill Gates, who has recently stated that his life plan is to give away 90% of his wealth before he dies. In Bill's case, I suspect it has been the influence of his wife (who, by all reports, is quite a lovely and charming woman) who has helped him to find a sense of balance with regard to his immense wealth. Other rich
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water
Well, what I said was an oversimplification, but here's one article that discusses things: http://nymag.com/news/features/money-brain-2012-7/ L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: There is some research that shows that people who are very wealthy show differences in how their brains function compared to average people and that these differences start to show up pretty much instantly if someone wins a major lottery. L What are the differences? Citation, please. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
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Yep, but he is nothing like the Koch Brothers who earned their wealth the old fashioned way: they inherited it and keep messing with US politics. Not saying the Gates and Buffet too are all that wonderful. Buffet though has particularly has tried to kick Americans in the butt and demand higher taxes on the rich and eliminating loopholes. Don't think that Gates would be opposed to that either. Gate's father campaigned for an initiative to raise taxes on the rich in Washington state which didn't pass. On 05/28/2013 09:43 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: You are living in a dreamworld if you think Gates is responsible with his wealth given the fact that he is bent of helping Monsanto and the Big Pharma corporations take over the world. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water When I was living in Redmond (home of Microsoft) near Seattle around 1990, local newscaster Jean Enerson did an interview with Bill Gates. She asked him about his wealth. You would have loved his Buddhist like response. He knew he had money but it was out there somewhere and didn't think about it much nor had much attachment too it. Bill's father was a corporate attorney and most likely advised Bill when Microsoft start flowing with money. Most likely his income got turned over to a good financial management firm. Which is what many people do who find themselves coming into money. Or like the old nouveau rich might just blow all that money and become nouveau poor. The TV series Lost made an example of this out of the character Hurley who as a slacker fast food employee wins a big lottery prize. He does wisely have a financial services firm invest that money. There were some episodes where he checks in with them and finds out that he owns some company he has been having some problems with. Gates is an accidental billionaire just like Facebook's Zuckerberg. But those two are miles apart in personality. I once was liason between Gates and my company's President who had made a statement of displeasure about Microsoft to the press and so Bill had one of his VPs contact me because I had been involved with Microsoft in a Silicon Valley consortium known as Games PC. Gates was interested in what we thought Microsoft could be doing to make things better. I had also attended a Computer Bowl at the Tech Museum in San Jose which Gates was a co-emcee. Afterwards at the reception I was standing with one of our company programmers who had also attended the Bowl as Gates came walking our way. The main crowd was smoking so I commented looks like someone else doesn't care much for cigarette smoke. He got a few feet away and was suddenly mobbed by some of the crowd. He kept looking over at us and I think he had spied my company jacket and wanted to ask about the company. Rumors were he wanted to buy us as we distributed his pet project software for him. When I lived for that brief time in the 1969-70 in Mill Valley it was at the home of a woman who was from an old money family. I've mentioned here before that the father made the kids go out an earn a living on their own before they were allowed their trust fund. He wanted them to learn the value of money and how to be responsible with wealth. There are indeed good billionaires like Gates, Buffet, Mark Cuban, George Lucas, etc. They are responsible with their wealth. But the guy from Nestle's (unless that was a clever punk) seems a bit arrogant like the old aristocracy of Europe. BTW, I've been enjoying the Brazilian TV series on HBO Preamar which is about an investment banker who loses his job but doesn't tell his family (tells them he's on a sabbatical). It's very much about class conflict in Brazil and his fall from grace and trying to pick up the pieces. His mistake as a banker was that he invested some of the firm's clients in Madoff's scam. On 05/28/2013 03:59 AM, turquoiseb wrote: This ties in with a response I made earlier to Lawson, but which for some reason Yahoo wouldn't let me post at the time: I'd be interested in a citation about this research, if you can track it down. I've always been fascinated by the subject. It would be interesting to hear what researchers feel that these brain changes map to in terms of behavior and beliefs. One of the things I would expect -- both from those who were born and raised rich and those who become rich suddenly -- would be the development of delusions about their own self importance. The belief that people should pay attention to them and listen to their opinions, for example. I would expect that wealth translates to greater self-identification and an increasingly delusional belief in one's own self-importance and effect upon the world. I would also expect those delusions to have nothing
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I'm more concerned with his supporting Monsanto, making Monsanto GMO crops the cornerstone of his outreach to so-called help third world countries grow enough food, having a revolving door between his Monsanto and his foundations - high level Monsanto executives slipping into Gate's foundations: Dr. Robert Horsch, a former Monsanto executive for 25 years who developed Roundup, to head up AGRA (Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa) back in 2006. According to a report published in La Via Campesina back in 2010, 70 percent of AGRA's grantees in Kenya work directly with Monsanto, and nearly 80 percent of the Gates Foundation funding is devoted to biotechnology (http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_21606.cfm). Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com Gates is a sorry sob who mis-uses his wealth to try to assist huge corporations in taking over the world. He is a sorrier and more devious bastard than Marshy himself. At least Marshy only wanted money for himself. He didn't try to help make slaves out of everyone on earth. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water Yep, but he is nothing like the Koch Brothers who earned their wealth the old fashioned way: they inherited it and keep messing with US politics. Not saying the Gates and Buffet too are all that wonderful. Buffet though has particularly has tried to kick Americans in the butt and demand higher taxes on the rich and eliminating loopholes. Don't think that Gates would be opposed to that either. Gate's father campaigned for an initiative to raise taxes on the rich in Washington state which didn't pass. On 05/28/2013 09:43 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: You are living in a dreamworld if you think Gates is responsible with his wealth given the fact that he is bent of helping Monsanto and the Big Pharma corporations take over the world. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water When I was living in Redmond (home of Microsoft) near Seattle around 1990, local newscaster Jean Enerson did an interview with Bill Gates. She asked him about his wealth. You would have loved his Buddhist like response. He knew he had money but it was out there somewhere and didn't think about it much nor had much attachment too it. Bill's father was a corporate attorney and most likely advised Bill when Microsoft start flowing with money. Most likely his income got turned over to a good financial management firm. Which is what many people do who find themselves coming into money. Or like the old nouveau rich might just blow all that money and become nouveau poor. The TV series Lost made an example of this out of the character Hurley who as a slacker fast food employee wins a big lottery prize. He does wisely have a financial services firm invest that money. There were some episodes where he checks in with them and finds out that he owns some company he has been having some problems with. Gates is an accidental billionaire just like Facebook's Zuckerberg. But those two are miles apart in personality. I once was liason between Gates and my company's President who had made a statement of displeasure about Microsoft to the press and so Bill had one of his VPs contact me because I had been involved with Microsoft in a Silicon Valley consortium known as Games PC. Gates was interested in what we thought Microsoft could be doing to make things better. I had also attended a Computer Bowl at the Tech Museum in San Jose which Gates was a co-emcee. Afterwards at the reception I was standing with one of our company programmers who had also attended the Bowl as Gates came walking our way. The main crowd was smoking so I commented looks like someone else doesn't care much for cigarette smoke. He got a few feet away and was suddenly mobbed by some of the crowd. He kept looking over at us and I think he had spied my company jacket and wanted to ask about the company. Rumors were he wanted to buy us as we distributed his pet project software for him. When I lived for that brief time in the 1969-70 in Mill Valley it was at the home of a woman who was from an old money family. I've mentioned here before that the father made the kids go out an earn a living on their own before they were allowed their trust fund. He wanted them to learn the value of money and how to be responsible with wealth. There are indeed good billionaires like Gates, Buffet, Mark Cuban, George Lucas, etc. They are responsible with their wealth. But the guy from Nestle's (unless that was a clever punk) seems a bit arrogant like the old aristocracy of Europe. BTW, I've been
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water
That sounds like change in how the brain functions to me: The efficiencies of the affluent brain may trigger the shutting down of what the researchers call pro-social impulses and lead people toward the kinds of behaviors that a hedge-fund manager I spoke to characterized as ruthless. They're more willing to hurt others in their quest for money, he said. When you look at people who've done exceptionally well, it tends to be the difficult people. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: There is some research that shows that people who are very wealthy show differences in how their brains function compared to average people and that these differences start to show up pretty much instantly if someone wins a major lottery. L I was courious if brain functioning is different in wealthy people as Lawson says. I didn't find anything about brain functioning but found an article that measured physiological differences in capacity for empathy. Wealth may give you a better brain. It may make you a more strategic thinker, a savvier planner. (Research has shown that the more a person is able to imagine himself in the future, the more cash he is likely to have in his savings account.) And the cognitive benefits of affluence may accrue incrementally, speculates Dovidio, so that very rich people have better brain functioning than moderately rich people. These hypotheses are at the untested frontier of the new science...� The efficiencies of the affluent brain may trigger the shutting down of what the researchers call pro-social impulses and lead people toward the kinds of behaviors that a hedge-fund manager I spoke to characterized as ruthless. They're more willing to hurt others in their quest for money, he said. When you look at people who've done exceptionally well, it tends to be the difficult people. Read more: The Money-Empathy Gap http://nymag.com/news/features/money-brain-2012-7/index4.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
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I cited one article earlier. Here's another: http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~camerer/scanecon.pdf neuroeconomics is a new way of looking at how humans work with wealth and so on. The basic idea is that just assuming that humans are rational when they make plans is really bad science. The same people who destroyed the world economy for a sake of a few billion, likely also love their children and grandchildren and probably hope to meet their great-great-grandchildren if they are lucky, and yet didn't think at all about the long-term impact of their behavior on their own extended families, letalone the rest of the world. Economists need to take into account human nature, not just ivory tower math about capitalism being good, just because rational greed will maximize everyone's economic benefits -people aren't rational, ever,, and really rich people are irrational in different ways than non-really-rich. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This ties in with a response I made earlier to Lawson, but which for some reason Yahoo wouldn't let me post at the time: I'd be interested in a citation about this research, if you can track it down. I've always been fascinated by the subject. It would be interesting to hear what researchers feel that these brain changes map to in terms of behavior and beliefs. One of the things I would expect -- both from those who were born and raised rich and those who become rich suddenly -- would be the development of delusions about their own self importance. The belief that people should pay attention to them and listen to their opinions, for example. I would expect that wealth translates to greater self-identification and an increasingly delusional belief in one's own self-importance and effect upon the world. I would also expect those delusions to have nothing to do with one's *real* effect on the world. In other words, I would suspect that rich people who give only the absolute minimum of their money to charity to qualify for tax deductions feel that they've done as much for humanity as people like Bill Gates, who has recently stated that his life plan is to give away 90% of his wealth before he dies. In Bill's case, I suspect it has been the influence of his wife (who, by all reports, is quite a lovely and charming woman) who has helped him to find a sense of balance with regard to his immense wealth. Other rich people have not been so lucky. This week in Paris, I've been staying near the Bastille, which is not as upscale as the Vth or VIth arrondissements, but still has its share of luxury. I live across the street from one of the most famous restaurants in Paris, called Bofinger (pronounced Beaux-fan-zhey, not the way it sounds to us Americans). From my window I can see rich people pulling up in their chauffeur-driven limos and going in to spend 150-200� per person on a meal. A few feet away from the entrance is a family that literally lives on the street there. The man, his wife, and small child live on a blanket spread out on the sidewalk. They sleep there, and obviously beg for a living. During this last week, I have not seen even ONE person going into or leaving from that restaurant give them a penny. One woman even kicked the child when she got in her way. On the other hand, *most* of the middle-class or even relatively poor working folks passing by give them money. I give them every coin in my pockets every time I pass by; I suspect I've spent more on them this last week than coffee, which at 4� a cup in the cafes I frequent is a lot. Bruce Cockburn wrote a song early in his career that kinda summed up his approach to life. Having worked busking the streets in Paris himself, he brought some authority to the words, and to the sentiment. I think that experience of relying on the compassion of others helped to turn him into the sensitive and compassionate guy he still is. Sometimes I think that the rich of this world would benefit from spending a little time on the streets themselves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0abqtW4mgg Oh I have been a beggar And shall be one again And few the ones with help to lend Within the world of men One day I walk in flowers one day I walk on stones Today I walk in hours One day I shall be home I've sat on the street corner And watched the bootheels shine And cried out glad and cried out sad With every voice but mine One day I walk in flowers one day I walk on stones Today I walk in hours One day I shall be home One day I shall be home --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: There is some research that shows that people who are very wealthy show differences in how their brains function compared to average people and that these differences start
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water
Gates got $20 million from his parents to kickstart Microsoft, IIRC. Steve Wozniak sold his calculator and Steve Jobs sold his VW bus in order to kickstart Apple. They sound roughly equivalent to me L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Yep, but he is nothing like the Koch Brothers who earned their wealth the old fashioned way: they inherited it and keep messing with US politics. Not saying the Gates and Buffet too are all that wonderful. Buffet though has particularly has tried to kick Americans in the butt and demand higher taxes on the rich and eliminating loopholes. Don't think that Gates would be opposed to that either. Gate's father campaigned for an initiative to raise taxes on the rich in Washington state which didn't pass. On 05/28/2013 09:43 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: You are living in a dreamworld if you think Gates is responsible with his wealth given the fact that he is bent of helping Monsanto and the Big Pharma corporations take over the world. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water When I was living in Redmond (home of Microsoft) near Seattle around 1990, local newscaster Jean Enerson did an interview with Bill Gates. She asked him about his wealth. You would have loved his Buddhist like response. He knew he had money but it was out there somewhere and didn't think about it much nor had much attachment too it. Bill's father was a corporate attorney and most likely advised Bill when Microsoft start flowing with money. Most likely his income got turned over to a good financial management firm. Which is what many people do who find themselves coming into money. Or like the old nouveau rich might just blow all that money and become nouveau poor. The TV series Lost made an example of this out of the character Hurley who as a slacker fast food employee wins a big lottery prize. He does wisely have a financial services firm invest that money. There were some episodes where he checks in with them and finds out that he owns some company he has been having some problems with. Gates is an accidental billionaire just like Facebook's Zuckerberg. But those two are miles apart in personality. I once was liason between Gates and my company's President who had made a statement of displeasure about Microsoft to the press and so Bill had one of his VPs contact me because I had been involved with Microsoft in a Silicon Valley consortium known as Games PC. Gates was interested in what we thought Microsoft could be doing to make things better. I had also attended a Computer Bowl at the Tech Museum in San Jose which Gates was a co-emcee. Afterwards at the reception I was standing with one of our company programmers who had also attended the Bowl as Gates came walking our way. The main crowd was smoking so I commented looks like someone else doesn't care much for cigarette smoke. He got a few feet away and was suddenly mobbed by some of the crowd. He kept looking over at us and I think he had spied my company jacket and wanted to ask about the company. Rumors were he wanted to buy us as we distributed his pet project software for him. When I lived for that brief time in the 1969-70 in Mill Valley it was at the home of a woman who was from an old money family. I've mentioned here before that the father made the kids go out an earn a living on their own before they were allowed their trust fund. He wanted them to learn the value of money and how to be responsible with wealth. There are indeed good billionaires like Gates, Buffet, Mark Cuban, George Lucas, etc. They are responsible with their wealth. But the guy from Nestle's (unless that was a clever punk) seems a bit arrogant like the old aristocracy of Europe. BTW, I've been enjoying the Brazilian TV series on HBO Preamar which is about an investment banker who loses his job but doesn't tell his family (tells them he's on a sabbatical). It's very much about class conflict in Brazil and his fall from grace and trying to pick up the pieces. His mistake as a banker was that he invested some of the firm's clients in Madoff's scam. On 05/28/2013 03:59 AM, turquoiseb wrote: This ties in with a response I made earlier to Lawson, but which for some reason Yahoo wouldn't let me post at the time: I'd be interested in a citation about this research, if you can track it down. I've always been fascinated by the subject. It would be interesting to hear what researchers feel that these brain changes map to in terms of behavior and beliefs. One of the things I would expect -- both from those who were born and raised rich and those who become rich suddenly -- would be the development
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water
Then did you read the article with video I originally linked too? Or are you just reacting to the thread title and chatter? I would think the Nestle's board of directors ought to send that guy off to the funny farm because he WILL hurt their profits making such statements. That's why I almost wondered if it was a punk like the Yes Men do. But then it's been around long enough to be debunked. On 05/28/2013 10:24 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I'm more concerned with his supporting Monsanto, making Monsanto GMO crops the cornerstone of his outreach to so-called help third world countries grow enough food, having a revolving door between his Monsanto and his foundations - high level Monsanto executives slipping into Gate's foundations: Dr. Robert Horsch, a former Monsanto executive for 25 years who developed Roundup, to head up AGRA (Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa) back in 2006. According to a report published in La Via Campesina back in 2010, 70 percent of AGRA's grantees in Kenya work directly with Monsanto, and nearly 80 percent of the Gates Foundation funding is devoted to biotechnology (http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_21606.cfm). Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com Gates is a sorry sob who mis-uses his wealth to try to assist huge corporations in taking over the world. He is a sorrier and more devious bastard than Marshy himself. At least Marshy only wanted money for himself. He didn't try to help make slaves out of everyone on earth. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water Yep, but he is nothing like the Koch Brothers who earned their wealth the old fashioned way: they inherited it and keep messing with US politics. Not saying the Gates and Buffet too are all that wonderful. Buffet though has particularly has tried to kick Americans in the butt and demand higher taxes on the rich and eliminating loopholes. Don't think that Gates would be opposed to that either. Gate's father campaigned for an initiative to raise taxes on the rich in Washington state which didn't pass. On 05/28/2013 09:43 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: You are living in a dreamworld if you think Gates is responsible with his wealth given the fact that he is bent of helping Monsanto and the Big Pharma corporations take over the world. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water When I was living in Redmond (home of Microsoft) near Seattle around 1990, local newscaster Jean Enerson did an interview with Bill Gates. She asked him about his wealth. You would have loved his Buddhist like response. He knew he had money but it was out there somewhere and didn't think about it much nor had much attachment too it. Bill's father was a corporate attorney and most likely advised Bill when Microsoft start flowing with money. Most likely his income got turned over to a good financial management firm. Which is what many people do who find themselves coming into money. Or like the old nouveau rich might just blow all that money and become nouveau poor. The TV series Lost made an example of this out of the character Hurley who as a slacker fast food employee wins a big lottery prize. He does wisely have a financial services firm invest that money. There were some episodes where he checks in with them and finds out that he owns some company he has been having some problems with. Gates is an accidental billionaire just like Facebook's Zuckerberg. But those two are miles apart in personality. I once was liason between Gates and my company's President who had made a statement of displeasure about Microsoft to the press and so Bill had one of his VPs contact me because I had been involved with Microsoft in a Silicon Valley consortium known as Games PC. Gates was interested in what we thought Microsoft could be doing to make things better. I had also attended a Computer Bowl at the Tech Museum in San Jose which Gates was a co-emcee. Afterwards at the reception I was standing with one of our company programmers who had also attended the Bowl as Gates came walking our way. The main crowd was smoking so I commented looks like someone else doesn't care much for cigarette smoke. He got a few feet away and was suddenly mobbed by some of the crowd. He kept looking over at us and I think he had spied my company jacket and wanted to ask about the company. Rumors were he wanted to buy us as we distributed his pet project software for him. When I lived for that brief time in the 1969-70 in Mill Valley it was at the home of a woman who was from an old money family. I've
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Well, what I said was an oversimplification, but here's one article that discusses things: Oversimplification, yes I agree. That's why I Googled for an answer and ended up linking to the same article in a previous post. There is interesting research about money creating an empathy gap but I don't buy the premise of the article entirely. The underlying message to 99% of the readers is, Be glad you're not a rich S.O.B. Poor is good. Rich is bad. Now quitcherbitchin about the 1%. Against a background of calls for federal and state budgets cuts and austerity for the poor, I think the article oversimplifies a complex topic for purposes of propaganda. http://nymag.com/news/features/money-brain-2012-7/ L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: There is some research that shows that people who are very wealthy show differences in how their brains function compared to average people and that these differences start to show up pretty much instantly if someone wins a major lottery. L What are the differences? Citation, please. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water
you created with care and with the intention of pursuing your art. Sounds like heaven to me. Congratulations - you have beauty inside and outside. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Wasn't your dad the CEO of Kraft at one time? Yes, from 1973 until 1985 when he retired. From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water
. You have obviously worked hard at a job not necessarily totally to your liking and yet here you are, relatively young and very healthy with the people you cherish around you in an environment you created with care and with the intention of pursuing your art. Sounds like heaven to me. Congratulations - you have beauty inside and outside. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Wasn't your dad the CEO of Kraft at one time? Yes, from 1973 until 1985 when he retired. From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water
There is some research that shows that people who are very wealthy show differences in how their brains function compared to average people and that these differences start to show up pretty much instantly if someone wins a major lottery. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are Pretty sweeping statement here. How rich is rich? What makes all rich people deluded? Why so angry at rich people? Does being rich change someone or do only assholes become rich? What is the antidote, becoming poor? , here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deluded Nestle CEO on your right to water
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Just to give you an example how deluded the rich are, here's an article and video about the Nestle CEO who wants all water privatized. This asshat doesn't care about people, just about money. He needs a visit form Lord Yama and soon. http://www.trueactivist.com/nestle-ceo-water-is-not-a-human-right-should-be-privatized/ Billionairism is a mental disorder. Quite right, I always put £5 into a jar to help pay my ever escalating ultility bills whenever I have a cup of coffee. It's only fair - these guys have got massive yachts to maintain. I can't bear to think of our billionaire overlords being laughed at by thieving Russian oligarchs for only having three helicopters. It's down to us!
