Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
Imitation TM? What would that be, exactly? Giving out phony mantras? You know, something like the names of Hindu gods and goddesses, disguised as meaningless sounds? I see what you mean. Sal On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:47 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: Bob, Do you know that the judges are teaching imitation TM or is Farrokh just doing the initiating for a reduced fee? I suspect the latter but I'm only guessing...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imitation TM? What would that be, exactly? Giving out phony mantras? You know, something like the names of Hindu gods and goddesses, disguised as meaningless sounds? I see what you mean. Sal We could reinvent it as TM-lite, and instead of meditating, everyone could just pray in a Peace Palace, with the Rajas leading the prayers, and perhaps they could speak at some point on something they find inspiring like the speeches Bevan and John H. give, all the while worshipping *His Holiness* Maharishi. And perhaps intersperse the meeting with some inspirational Gandarva Ved songs...and formalize a time to contribute donations... Hey, wait a minute! This sounds just like... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder about this meaningless sounds business. At the preparatory lecture, I always used to say the mantras were sounds the effects of which are known, or words selected for their sound quality, or something like that. I never said, meaningless sounds and I wonder whether using that phrase was ever an official instruction. It's a very unfortunate phrase, in my opinion. The reference to the sounds being meaningless as I recall was used in a specific context that it wasn't important to know the meanings of such sounds in order for them to work. If pressed, the teachers would say that the mantras had no defined meaning other than as a vehicle for transcendence. At least the way I heard it , it was a good enough explanation for me for many years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imitation TM? What would that be, exactly? Giving out phony mantras? You know, something like the names of Hindu gods and goddesses, disguised as meaningless sounds? I see what you mean. Sal On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:47 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: Bob, Do you know that the judges are teaching imitation TM or is Farrokh just doing the initiating for a reduced fee? I suspect the latter but I'm only guessing... I was just following Bob's phrasing. I suspect that TESP is just teaching outside the fee and organizatioal stucture, not just teaching the 'relaxation response'. TESP is in an ideal position to respond to a legal challange from the TMO. Is TM in the public domain? Is the Self universal? Are mantra's propietary? Important and fundemental questions. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder about this meaningless sounds business. At the preparatory lecture, I always used to say the mantras were sounds the effects of which are known, or words selected for their sound quality, or something like that. I never said, meaningless sounds and I wonder whether using that phrase was ever an official instruction. It's a very unfortunate phrase, in my opinion. Whatever associations they may have in Hinduism, as they're used in TM they're semantically meaningless sounds. They aren't words per se in any sense. I've certainly heard the phrase used of the mantras in the TM context, usually in response to the question What do the mantras mean? The questioner is typically thinking in terms of semantic content, i.e., that they're words used in sentences for communication, like ordinary language. I know all the names of gods stuff from Trancenet, but that's just inaccurate. At most, they're sounds that are associated with gods in Hinduism. But even Hindus who are taught TM are told to treat the mantra as pure sound during meditation (at least that's what I was told by a long-time TM teacher who did a lot of initiations in India way back when). If you want to get all esoteric about it, the mantras are in some sense devas, but then you have to get into the whole Nama-rupa thing and how Sanskrit syllables aren't symbolic, like regular language; they don't *stand for* things, they *are* things. And if you're going to say mantras are gods, well, you gotta first believe in gods. I'm a lot happier with impulses of creative intelligence, myself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imitation TM? What would that be, exactly? Giving out phony mantras? You know, something like the names of Hindu gods and goddesses, disguised as meaningless sounds? I see what you mean. Sal On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:47 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: Bob, Do you know that the judges are teaching imitation TM or is Farrokh just doing the initiating for a reduced fee? I suspect the latter but I'm only guessing... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder about this meaningless sounds business. At the preparatory lecture, I always used to say the mantras were sounds the effects of which are known, or words selected for their sound quality, or something like that. I never said, meaningless sounds and I wonder whether using that phrase was ever an official instruction. It's a very unfortunate phrase, in my opinion. * During the proper practice of TM, the mantras are indeed meaningless sounds (TM properly practiced has nothing to with any meaning one might assign to the mantras, but to their use as a vehicle of attention, a sound resonating with the mind in a way that leads to transcendence). Outside of the practice of TM, if Hindus want to assign meanings to the sounds, that has nothing to do with the practice of TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY has said something that Dillbeck interprets a certain way. Farrokh refuses to go along with what MMY has said. The REAL issue is: is Dillbeck right about what MMY has said or is Farrokh doing the right thing? Or can they both somehow be right? I had a good friend on International Staff in the late 70's and she said she both saw and experienced this all the time with MMY. He'd say one thing to one person and then the opposite to another and a conflict would be created. Just an advanced technique at the ashram. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: snip Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck sounds like a bozo. Actually, Michael Dillbeck is one of the nicer people in the TMO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Jerry Jarvis was tangentially involved in the St. Louis project and I predicted yrs ago that Bevan would try to shut it down to prevent a potential rebirth of Jerry as a mov't leader after MMY goes. PS - MMY wasn't at the Mahalakshmi broadcast yesterday indicating that he must be pretty ill. PSS - What if the tm masses started sending $25 donations to smart independent tm teachers like Farrokh who are actually conducting sensible, successful tm projects and jump start an alternative mov't to the one run by millionaire-financed bevan-rajas who are totally out of touch with reality. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: snip Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck sounds like a bozo. MMY has said something that Dillbeck interprets a certain way. Farrokh refuses to go along with what MMY has said. The REAL issue is: is Dillbeck right about what MMY has said or is Farrokh doing the right thing? Or can they both somehow be right? Each is certainly acting from his own level of consciousness, and I'll leave it at that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: snip Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck sounds like a bozo. Actually, Michael Dillbeck is one of the nicer people in the TMO. nice and bozo aren't a contradiction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/2/05 5:49 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY has said something that Dillbeck interprets a certain way. Farrokh refuses to go along with what MMY has said. The REAL issue is: is Dillbeck right about what MMY has said or is Farrokh doing the right thing? Or can they both somehow be right? I had a good friend on International Staff in the late 70's and she said she both saw and experienced this all the time with MMY. He'd say one thing to one person and then the opposite to another and a conflict would be created. Just an advanced technique at the ashram. The classic example was Domash. Maharishi said to Larry, Come with me. They get to the door of the Külm, Domash following, and Maharishi says to the WYMS guards, Don't let anyone past. A major confrontation ensues. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/2/05 5:53 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck sounds like a bozo. Actually, Michael Dillbeck is one of the nicer people in the TMO. He is, but power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. He's a Raja now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 5:53 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck sounds like a bozo. Actually, Michael Dillbeck is one of the nicer people in the TMO. He is, but power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. He's a Raja now. Cool! I'm a Burger King! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/1/05 10:51 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, do you know why Bevan stopped Judge Anklesaria from coming to the conference? I wonder what the stated reason was. Farrokh is not a judge. He is a lawyer and a TM teacher. LB is the one who told me the Conference/Bevan story. Maybe he can answer the question. Here is Farrokh's web site: http://www.enlightenedsentencing.org/ I have to plead the Nixon defense again. I don't remember exactly when I heard this story, or who told it to me. As it was narrated, Farrokh had worked very hard to arrange this conference, then was told by Bevan not to attend. Technically, I have to regard this as a rumor; that is, I am only reporting what I was told. If this actually happened, then to pick up on the speculation touched upon above, I can see two possible angles: 1) Bevan's well-known tendency to cut perceived rivals off at the knees came into play. 2) From, perhaps, Michael Dillbeck's point of view (this is a speculation for the sake of consideration, NOT an attribution)perhaps the rebellious tendencies shown in Farrokh's letter were already somewhat in evidence and Bevan was merely acting responsibly to keep a loose cannon in check. Combinations, permutations, alternatives, and factual information are all welcomed. Cheers. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/2/05 8:21 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. I picked up on the same thing. There's some truth in this. Naturally Bevan and others put their own spin on things, but ultimately Maharishi is calling the shots, and some people have a hard time admitting this, because it requires a major shift in one's emotional orientation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. MMY may be pure, but he's certainly said the things that Dilbeck has been challenged on. There's psychological disconnects going on all over the place within and without the TMO right now... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 5:53 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck sounds like a bozo. Actually, Michael Dillbeck is one of the nicer people in the TMO. He is, but power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. He's a Raja now. Just how seriously are the rajas taking themselves? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/2/05 10:44 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. Hard to say. I don't think M often does things like that. He usually just lets them get on board or not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 10:44 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. Hard to say. I don't think M often does things like that. He usually just lets them get on board or not. Well, word has it that M personally called one x-MUM faculty member (who had been dismissed by Bevan, probably for insubordination) and asked him to take the recertification course and take on certain projects in China afterward. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you Rick Archer. As far as I know, Maharishi has absolutely no control over his organisation. Do you want me to go into details on it.? By the way Rick, I hope, I have not offended you in any way.?? FucktheSouth is NOT my article. I just copied and pasted it. ---OriginalMessage-- From: "Rick Archer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:42:07 -0600 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. I picked up on the same thing. There's some truth in this. Naturally Bevan and others put their own spin on things, but ultimately Maharishi is calling the shots, and some people have a hard time admitting this, because it requires a major shift in one's emotional orien Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. MMY is surrounded by inepts because that's what in the mud -- if he did not want to improve the quality of life in the mud he would have stayed in the Himalayas. But, because of the necessity of going slow in unfolding enlightenment in the mud, it's just fine that inepts are slowing down the growth of the TM movement. From now on, now that a few candles have been lit around the world, the story of the TM movement will only be about India, which is the only place which could support a revival of Vedic culture. I understand Farrokh's frustration, but MMY has made it clear that the Divine Plan calls for gradual unfolding to avoid creating fear and havoc in the Kalimud. Exercise patience and good humor... Bob's school: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#luck Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. OffWorld The problem is, Farrokh had a successful program going with those Missouri judges using TM in sentencing at a couple hundred a pop, and when the judges balked at $2500/pop, Farrokh had a real problem: either lose much of the judges interest in TM, or go on his own teaching TM independently. He chose the latter, and there is a possibility that not only is the price different, but other compromises may have been made when Farrokh adapted TM into his program: The Transcendental Stress Management program is an adaptation of the Transcendental Meditation program for rehabilitation and criminal justice reform. http://enlightenedsentencing.org/about-us.htm The judge that is supposedly the head of this Transcendental Stress Mgmt program is not a TM teacher, so it's unlikely that all the TM guidelines are being followed. The TMO invited the judges to the conference to try to talk them into abandoning their effort, most likely, but that's probably not going to work. Farrokh was not invited because the TMO probably saw him as being irretrievably off track because he told the judges how to teach imitation TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 10:44 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. Hard to say. I don't think M often does things like that. He usually just lets them get on board or not. Well, word has it that M personally called one x-MUM faculty member (who had been dismissed by Bevan, probably for insubordination) and asked him to take the recertification course and take on certain projects in China afterward. Can you fill this out a bit please. More info.? Did he/she accept? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 12:19 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 10:44 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. Hard to say. I don't think M often does things like that. He usually just lets them get on board or not. Well, word has it that M personally called one x-MUM faculty member (who had been dismissed by Bevan, probably for insubordination) and asked him to take the recertification course and take on certain projects in China afterward. Sounds like Jaime Grant. Yeah, you're right. Since when is Jamie Grant x-MUM? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. OffWorld The problem is, Farrokh had a successful program going with those Missouri judges using TM in sentencing at a couple hundred a pop, and when the judges balked at $2500/pop, Farrokh had a real problem: either lose much of the judges interest in TM, or go on his own teaching TM independently. He chose the latter, and there is a possibility that not only is the price different, but other compromises may have been made when Farrokh adapted TM into his program: The Transcendental Stress Management program is an adaptation of the Transcendental Meditation program for rehabilitation and criminal justice reform. http://enlightenedsentencing.org/about-us.htm The judge that is supposedly the head of this Transcendental Stress Mgmt program is not a TM teacher, so it's unlikely that all the TM guidelines are being followed. The TMO invited the judges to the conference to try to talk them into abandoning their effort, most likely, but that's probably not going to work. Farrokh was not invited because the TMO probably saw him as being irretrievably off track because he told the judges how to teach imitation TM. Yes I know what the problem is, but my question was this: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted.? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 12:19 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 10:44 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. Hard to say. I don't think M often does things like that. He usually just lets them get on board or not. Well, word has it that M personally called one x-MUM faculty member (who had been dismissed by Bevan, probably for insubordination) and asked him to take the recertification course and take on certain projects in China afterward. Sounds like Jaime Grant. Yeah, you're right. Since when is Jamie Grant x-MUM? OffWorld ** Not too long after he praised democracy in the MUM Review: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/index.html#demomemo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh on 11/2/05 1:29 PM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm afraid I have to disagree with you Rick Archer. Thats OK. As far as I know, Maharishi has absolutely no control over his organisation. Back when I worked closely with him, in the early 70s, he had absolute control over it. He micromanaged it. Do you want me to go into details on it.? Please do. Perhaps things have changed and you know better. By the way Rick, I hope, I have not offended you in any way.?? Not at all. FucktheSouth is NOT my article. I just copied and pasted it. I know. In fact, I sent it to friends when I first saw it a while back. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/2/05 6:09 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Not too long after he praised democracy in the MUM Review: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/index.html#demomemo That could very well have gotten him canned. The common denominator of those who were booted was that they possessed some grain of independence or freedom of opinion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. OffWorld The problem is, Farrokh had a successful program going with those Missouri judges using TM in sentencing at a couple hundred a pop, and when the judges balked at $2500/pop, Farrokh had a real problem: either lose much of the judges interest in TM, or go on his own teaching TM independently. He chose the latter, and there is a possibility that not only is the price different, but other compromises may have been made when Farrokh adapted TM into his program: The Transcendental Stress Management program is an adaptation of the Transcendental Meditation program for rehabilitation and criminal justice reform. http://enlightenedsentencing.org/about-us.htm The judge that is supposedly the head of this Transcendental Stress Mgmt program is not a TM teacher, so it's unlikely that all the TM guidelines are being followed. The TMO invited the judges to the conference to try to talk them into abandoning their effort, most likely, but that's probably not going to work. Farrokh was not invited because the TMO probably saw him as being irretrievably off track because he told the judges how to teach imitation TM. Yes I know what the problem is, but my question was this: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted.? OffWorld That's unlikely to happen, for a couple reasons, one of which is that MMY clearly said that he did not care if people taught TM under some other name: In the press conference of 14May2003, Maharishi said that he did not care if TM teachers taught the practice outside of the TM bureaucracy: What I have taught, because it has it's eternal authenticity in the vedic literature and you should know that, how many? 30 - 40 thousand teachers of TM I have trained and many of them have gone on their own and they may not call it Maharishi's TM but they are teaching it in some different name here and there. So there's a lot of these, artificial things are going on, doesn't matter, as long as the man is getting something useful to make his life better, we are satisfied. Also, Farrokh has gone completely off the ranch (encouraging judges to teach TM probably not as taught by MMY), apparently, so the likelihood that he's going to come around to toe the TMO policy line is not high -- although, who knows, a personal appeal directly from MMY might help. But it's not important -- if it was, MMY would do it. All the current dysfunctionalization of the TMO outside of India is intentional -- only India counts from here on out, because only India can support the revival of Vedic civilization. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY has said something that Dillbeck interprets a certain way. Farrokh refuses to go along with what MMY has said. The REAL issue is: is Dillbeck right about what MMY has said or is Farrokh doing the right thing? Or can they both somehow be right? I had a good friend on International Staff in the late 70's and she said she both saw and experienced this all the time with MMY. He'd say one thing to one person and then the opposite to another and a conflict would be created. Just an advanced technique at the ashram. Must it necessarily be an advance technique? How about plain and simple human fallibility? Or perhaps rudeness? Or maybe short-term memory loss? Or maybe self-centeredness that doesn't take into account the feelings of others? ...all done fully in accord with the laws of nature, of course... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 5:10 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like Jaime Grant. Yeah, you're right. Since when is Jamie Grant x-MUM? There was a big faculty purge a year or two ago. Jaime, Sam James, and others. I knew about Sam, what is jamie doing now? Doesn't he have a house on the campus? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. OffWorld The problem is, Farrokh had a successful program going with those Missouri judges using TM in sentencing at a couple hundred a pop, and when the judges balked at $2500/pop, Farrokh had a real problem: either lose much of the judges interest in TM, or go on his own teaching TM independently. He chose the latter, and there is a possibility that not only is the price different, but other compromises may have been made when Farrokh adapted TM into his program: The Transcendental Stress Management program is an adaptation of the Transcendental Meditation program for rehabilitation and criminal justice reform. http://enlightenedsentencing.org/about-us.htm The judge that is supposedly the head of this Transcendental Stress Mgmt program is not a TM teacher, so it's unlikely that all the TM guidelines are being followed. The TMO invited the judges to the conference to try to talk them into abandoning their effort, most likely, but that's probably not going to work. Farrokh was not invited because the TMO probably saw him as being irretrievably off track because he told the judges how to teach imitation TM. Yes I know what the problem is, but my question was this: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted.? OffWorld That's unlikely to happen, for a couple reasons, one of which is that MMY clearly said that he did not care if people taught TM under some other name: In the press conference of 14May2003, Maharishi said that he did not care if TM teachers taught the practice outside of the TM bureaucracy: What I have taught, because it has it's eternal authenticity in the vedic literature and you should know that, how many? 30 - 40 thousand teachers of TM I have trained and many of them have gone on their own and they may not call it Maharishi's TM but they are teaching it in some different name here and there. So there's a lot of these, artificial things are going on, doesn't matter, as long as the man is getting something useful to make his life better, we are satisfied. Also, Farrokh has gone completely off the ranch (encouraging judges to teach TM probably not as taught by MMY), apparently, so the likelihood that he's going to come around to toe the TMO policy line is not high -- although, who knows, a personal appeal directly from MMY might help. But it's not important -- if it was, MMY would do it. All the current dysfunctionalization of the TMO outside of India is intentional -- only India counts from here on out, because only India can support the revival of Vedic civilization. Mmmm. Interesting perspective. If there is a guy who is a MMY devotee but does not want to do what MMY says, what does this mean? If there is a guy who is not a MMY devotee but does not want to do what MMY says, what does this mean? Can one be a devotee and not do the bidding of the object of devotion? Can one be a non-devotee and do the bidding of the non-object of devotion? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. OffWorld The problem is, Farrokh had a successful program going with those Missouri judges using TM in sentencing at a couple hundred a pop, and when the judges balked at $2500/pop, Farrokh had a real problem: either lose much of the judges interest in TM, or go on his own teaching TM independently. He chose the latter, and there is a possibility that not only is the price different, but other compromises may have been made when Farrokh adapted TM into his program: The Transcendental Stress Management program is an adaptation of the Transcendental Meditation program for rehabilitation and criminal justice reform. http://enlightenedsentencing.org/about-us.htm The judge that is supposedly the head of this Transcendental Stress Mgmt program is not a TM teacher, so it's unlikely that all the TM guidelines are being followed. The TMO invited the judges to the conference to try to talk them into abandoning their effort, most likely, but that's probably not going to work. Farrokh was not invited because the TMO probably saw him as being irretrievably off track because he told the judges how to teach imitation TM. Bob, Do you know that the judges are teaching imitation TM or is Farrokh just doing the initiating for a reduced fee? I suspect the latter but I'm only guessing... JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. OffWorld The problem is, Farrokh had a successful program going with those Missouri judges using TM in sentencing at a couple hundred a pop, and when the judges balked at $2500/pop, Farrokh had a real problem: either lose much of the judges interest in TM, or go on his own teaching TM independently. He chose the latter, and there is a possibility that not only is the price different, but other compromises may have been made when Farrokh adapted TM into his program: The Transcendental Stress Management program is an adaptation of the Transcendental Meditation program for rehabilitation and criminal justice reform. http://enlightenedsentencing.org/about-us.htm The judge that is supposedly the head of this Transcendental Stress Mgmt program is not a TM teacher, so it's unlikely that all the TM guidelines are being followed. The TMO invited the judges to the conference to try to talk them into abandoning their effort, most likely, but that's probably not going to work. Farrokh was not invited because the TMO probably saw him as being irretrievably off track because he told the judges how to teach imitation TM. Bob, Do you know that the judges are teaching imitation TM or is Farrokh just doing the initiating for a reduced fee? I suspect the latter but I'm only guessing... JohnY ** I don't know what they are doing -- that's why I used the word probably several times. However, in the absence of a specific statement by the TESP people, maybe they dumped the puja in addition to the TMO-mandated fee. I may be overreacting to the prominent display of Judge Mason's photo at the top of the site ( http://enlightenedsentencing.org/about-us.htm ), which would indicate to me that non-TM teachers are driving the organization, and might think that the puja is not essential to teaching TM. Some posters here have indicated an interest in contacting Farrokh -- maybe we'll hear an explicit statement about whether TESP is TM at a lower price, or modified in some way. I'm a little unhappy with the fact that old statements about this TM- in-sentencing thing have been changed to only talk about the Transcendental Stress Management Program: By significantly increasing stress-coping ability, enhancing clarity of thinking and enhancing self-esteem, the Transcendental Stress Management program supplements traditional rehabilitative programs. It helps students develop internal counseling on the streets to support the external counseling received in traditional programs. Hon. Judge David C. Mason May 7, 1997 ** Originally, this statement said the Transcendental Meditation Program, not TESP, and there was concern among the judges about the puja: http://www.mum.edu/TheReview/96-97/10-30-96.html#judge Bob http://geocities.com/bbrigante Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/2/05 6:18 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the current dysfunctionalization of the TMO outside of India is intentional -- only India counts from here on out, because only India can support the revival of Vedic civilization. You don't think the Indian TMO is dysfunctional? From what I hear it's much worse than in the West. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 6:18 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the current dysfunctionalization of the TMO outside of India is intentional -- only India counts from here on out, because only India can support the revival of Vedic civilization. You don't think the Indian TMO is dysfunctional? From what I hear it's much worse than in the West. * Yeah, everything about India is a mess, but not by design, as is the case with the miscues of the TMO in the West. The price of TM instruction has not been raised in India, which indicates that MMY does not want to put any barriers to expansion of the movement there, and India must be successful if the world is going to change: In the mou.org Press Conference 26 June 2002, Maharishi said: India is the only country which can assume a parental role for every country of the world with this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities Dear Michael: There are things enough in the movement to cause us all, and you, consternation and dismay. Our not being re-certified, as many thousands of teachers, should not be one of them. We, like all the disenfranchised ex-TM teachers, are not under your jurisdiction or anyone else's! You and other leaders should save your intimidation tactics and pontification for your handful of re-certified teachers. We have no interest in having our research published in the movement's volume of scientific research. Don't delude yourself into thinking that we want to be in the in crowd. (In, of course, refers to the in-sane crowd who wish to be certified accordingly!) You guys have never appreciated our work here with the 15 judges and what it means in terms of reversal of the NJ court cases. Our consternation and surprise at the behavior of the movement's leadership is amplified by the many thousands of ex-TM teachers around the world whose TM centers are all closed as the movement tries to rebuild the entire world and to face every building eastwards! The movement can't run one small university (MUM enjoys one of the lowest ranks in the US) or its own small movement (more TM teachers are now OUT of the movement than in), but it wants to rule the world! Fat chance! Don't come knocking on our door when the movement needs legal support, as they did in the NC property case (Steve Rubin had us send all our tapes and endorsements to the movement's lawyers) and when Richard Beall tried to establish his charter school in NC. And don't come asking for endorsements from the judges either. The movement's leadership has entirely overlooked the hard work done by the judges, especially Judge Mason, against a hostile press, the ACLU and a judicial commission investigating him, for his involvement in TM. Small and petty thinking is the order of the day instead by Messrs. Bevan, John and company. We are quite happy with our work and don't need pompous rajas lording it over us. You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. And by the way, we know very well that you KNEW we were not re- certified. Your assertion that you didn't was downright dishonest! And Michael, don't delude yourself into believing that too many people are paying you guys attention. You all put on a good show for entertainment - capes, crowns, gowns, limos, bagpipes and all - but that's about all. The amazing sycophancy of the remaining few makes it all dull and predictable. Whoever cares to watch is being entertained, but the volume is turned off! Because frankly, who needs this sort of thing? The days of lording it over people are over. The days of monarchs long past. Wake up guys! Hiding behind the Master won't last forever. Good luck! PS: We have heard from various sources of the desire of the TM movement to confront us legally. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Please be advised that the judges associated with TESP have secured for us a legal representative, in the event that the TM movement feels the need to address us legally. TESP teaches Transcendental Stress Management or TSM. We do not teach Transcendental Meditation or TM. Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria The Enlightened Sentencing Project (TESP) Administrative Office 202 Tiffin Ave Ferguson, MO 63135 Visit our website at www.tesp.org Tel: 314 521 ROCK ON FARROKH ! I'M WITH YOU ! ! ! I always admired your work and wished I could have done more to help. I will do so if I get a chance. Exemplary work. Some of the best ever done in the TM - Movement (despite years of neglect by MUM and TM movement...disgrace). BACK OFF RAJAS ! ! ! OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, do you know why Bevan stopped Judge Anklesaria from coming to the conference? I wonder what the stated reason was. Farrokh Anklesaria is not a judge -- he was a British lawyer: http://fairfield.freehosting.net/96-97winter/judge.html Maybe Farrokh would be willing to say what Bevan said to him: http://www.enlightenedsentencing.org/contact-us.htm My guess is that Farrokh went independent in teaching TM a couple years ago because of the price increases, so not being invited to the conference was not the last straw, but just an acknowledgement by the TMO that the break was final, since FA had already started a TM spinoff. Bob http://geocities.com/bbrigante --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities Dear Michael: There are things enough in the movement to cause us all, and you, consternation and dismay. Our not being re-certified, as many thousands of teachers, should not be one of them. We, like all the disenfranchised ex-TM teachers, are not under your jurisdiction or anyone else's! You and other leaders should save your intimidation tactics and pontification for your handful of re-certified teachers. We have no interest in having our research published in the movement's volume of scientific research. Don't delude yourself into thinking that we want to be in the in crowd. (In, of course, refers to the in-sane crowd who wish to be certified accordingly!) You guys have never appreciated our work here with the 15 judges and what it means in terms of reversal of the NJ court cases. Our consternation and surprise at the behavior of the movement's leadership is amplified by the many thousands of ex-TM teachers around the world whose TM centers are all closed as the movement tries to rebuild the entire world and to face every building eastwards! The movement can't run one small university (MUM enjoys one of the lowest ranks in the US) or its own small movement (more TM teachers are now OUT of the movement than in), but it wants to rule the world! Fat chance! Don't come knocking on our door when the movement needs legal support, as they did in the NC property case (Steve Rubin had us send all our tapes and endorsements to the movement's lawyers) and when Richard Beall tried to establish his charter school in NC. And don't come asking for endorsements from the judges either. The movement's leadership has entirely overlooked the hard work done by the judges, especially Judge Mason, against a hostile press, the ACLU and a judicial commission investigating him, for his involvement in TM. Small and petty thinking is the order of the day instead by Messrs. Bevan, John and company. We are quite happy with our work and don't need pompous rajas lording it over us. You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. And by the way, we know very well that you KNEW we were not re-certified. Your assertion that you didn't was downright dishonest! And Michael, don't delude yourself into believing that too many people are paying you guys attention. You all put on a good show for entertainment - capes, crowns, gowns, limos, bagpipes and all - but that's about all. The amazing sycophancy of the remaining few makes it all dull and predictable. Whoever cares to watch is being entertained, but the volume is turned off! Because frankly, who needs this sort of thing? The days of lording it over people are over. The days of monarchs long past. Wake up guys! Hiding behind the Master won't last forever. Good luck! PS: We have heard from various sources of the desire of the TM movement to confront us legally. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Please be advised that the judges associated with TESP have secured for us a legal representative, in the event that the TM movement feels the need to address us legally. TESP teaches Transcendental Stress Management or TSM. We do not teach Transcendental Meditation or TM. Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria The
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: snip Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck sounds like a bozo. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities How very sad. Forrokh was the guy in charge of the Senegal Prison Project. Very competent person. I wonder if anyone has dared inform MMY of his response... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: snip Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck sounds like a bozo. MMY has said something that Dillbeck interprets a certain way. Farrokh refuses to go along with what MMY has said. The REAL issue is: is Dillbeck right about what MMY has said or is Farrokh doing the right thing? Or can they both somehow be right? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/1/05 10:51 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, do you know why Bevan stopped Judge Anklesaria from coming to the conference? I wonder what the stated reason was. Farrokh is not a judge. He is a lawyer and a TM teacher. LB is the one who told me the Conference/Bevan story. Maybe he can answer the question. Here is Farrokh's web site: http://www.enlightenedsentencing.org/ Farrokh may not have a legal leg to stand on. It is obvious that his technique is a renaming of TM given where theoriginal research was published according tothe URL above: An Alternative Sentencing Program utilizing the Transcendental Stress Management SM (TSMSM ) program for Rehabilitation and Criminal Justice Reform John Sterling, Ph. D. in Experimental Psychology Ongoing Research on Participants of the TESP program All participants of The Enlightened Sentencing Project are tested pre and post-program. The tests used are standard psychological tests. The research was initiated by Mark Hawkins, Ph.D., on the first 45 probationers graduating from the TESP program (see below) and continued by John Sterling, Ph.D. on an additional 59 participants. Dr Sterling is a Founding Director of The Enlightened Sentencing Project, a TESP Teaching Assistant and Yoga Instructor for TESP clients. Dr Sterling has prepared a Power Point Slide Presentation on the 59 participants he studied in The Enlightened Sentencing Project. Results indicate a significant decrease in Impulsivity, Aggressiveness and Feelings of Control. TESP will soon be conducting a study on 500 TESP participants and a control group of the same number. Here is the Power Point Slide Presentation by Dr Sterling, presented at the TESP Eighth Graduation on August 29, 2005. __ Preliminary Results of First TESP Research (Fall 2001) Mark Hawkins, Ph.D, former Psychologist of the Psychology Department of Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa, made a Power Point Presentation at the 5th TESP Graduation in Fall 2001, on Preliminary Results of Research Indicating Positive Psychological Development in 45 Probationers Completing the Course with The Enlightened Sentencing Project. Preliminary indications were decreased hostility and decreased aggressive behavior in the subjects studied. Dr Hawkins' article on the first research on TESP clients was presented in Maharishi University of Management's The Review of October 31, 2001, under the heading Faculty Member Researches Enlightened Sentencing Project. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
Bravo Farrokh! It is good that he stand up and fight for his rights. I like what he says about - when the TMO is not capable to run a small University - how can they rule the world?. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities Dear Michael: There are things enough in the movement to cause us all, and you, consternation and dismay. Our not being re-certified, as many thousands of teachers, should not be one of them. We, like all the disenfranchised ex-TM teachers, are not under your jurisdiction or anyone else's! You and other leaders should save your intimidation tactics and pontification for your handful of re-certified teachers. We have no interest in having our research published in the movement's volume of scientific research. Don't delude yourself into thinking that we want to be in the in crowd. (In, of course, refers to the in-sane crowd who wish to be certified accordingly!) You guys have never appreciated our work here with the 15 judges and what it means in terms of reversal of the NJ court cases. Our consternation and surprise at the behavior of the movement's leadership is amplified by the many thousands of ex-TM teachers around the world whose TM centers are all closed as the movement tries to rebuild the entire world and to face every building eastwards! The movement can't run one small university (MUM enjoys one of the lowest ranks in the US) or its own small movement (more TM teachers are now OUT of the movement than in), but it wants to rule the world! Fat chance! Don't come knocking on our door when the movement needs legal support, as they did in the NC property case (Steve Rubin had us send all our tapes and endorsements to the movement's lawyers) and when Richard Beall tried to establish his charter school in NC. And don't come asking for endorsements from the judges either. The movement's leadership has entirely overlooked the hard work done by the judges, especially Judge Mason, against a hostile press, the ACLU and a judicial commission investigating him, for his involvement in TM. Small and petty thinking is the order of the day instead by Messrs. Bevan, John and company. We are quite happy with our work and don't need pompous rajas lording it over us. You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. And by the way, we know very well that you KNEW we were not re- certified. Your assertion that you didn't was downright dishonest! And Michael, don't delude yourself into believing that too many people are paying you guys attention. You all put on a good show for entertainment - capes, crowns, gowns, limos, bagpipes and all - but that's about all. The amazing sycophancy of the remaining few makes it all dull and predictable. Whoever cares to watch is being entertained, but the volume is turned off! Because frankly, who needs this sort of thing? The days of lording it over people are over. The days of monarchs long past. Wake up guys! Hiding behind the Master won't last forever. Good luck! PS: We have heard from various sources of the desire of the TM movement to confront us legally. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Please be advised that the judges associated with TESP have secured for us a legal representative, in the event that the TM movement feels the need to address us legally. TESP teaches Transcendental Stress Management or TSM. We do not teach Transcendental Meditation or TM. Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria The Enlightened Sentencing Project (TESP) Administrative Office 202 Tiffin Ave Ferguson, MO 63135 Visit our website at www.tesp.org Tel: 314 521 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
It is encouraging to see someone rise above the; The 'Politics of the Ashram'. And inspiring to hear someone actually taking action; To teach people to meditate; Particularly people in trouble, imprisoned. I don't think we are here to 'run the world' Running the world is purely a concept of the ego... I thought we were here to teach; And free people of their little ego's; And give people a taste of something more; In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bravo Farrokh! It is good that he stand up and fight for his rights. I like what he says about - when the TMO is not capable to run a small University - how can they rule the world?. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities Dear Michael: There are things enough in the movement to cause us all, and you, consternation and dismay. Our not being re-certified, as many thousands of teachers, should not be one of them. We, like all the disenfranchised ex-TM teachers, are not under your jurisdiction or anyone else's! You and other leaders should save your intimidation tactics and pontification for your handful of re-certified teachers. We have no interest in having our research published in the movement's volume of scientific research. Don't delude yourself into thinking that we want to be in the in crowd. (In, of course, refers to the in-sane crowd who wish to be certified accordingly!) You guys have never appreciated our work here with the 15 judges and what it means in terms of reversal of the NJ court cases. Our consternation and surprise at the behavior of the movement's leadership is amplified by the many thousands of ex-TM teachers around the world whose TM centers are all closed as the movement tries to rebuild the entire world and to face every building eastwards! The movement can't run one small university (MUM enjoys one of the lowest ranks in the US) or its own small movement (more TM teachers are now OUT of the movement than in), but it wants to rule the world! Fat chance! Don't come knocking on our door when the movement needs legal support, as they did in the NC property case (Steve Rubin had us send all our tapes and endorsements to the movement's lawyers) and when Richard Beall tried to establish his charter school in NC. And don't come asking for endorsements from the judges either. The movement's leadership has entirely overlooked the hard work done by the judges, especially Judge Mason, against a hostile press, the ACLU and a judicial commission investigating him, for his involvement in TM. Small and petty thinking is the order of the day instead by Messrs. Bevan, John and company. We are quite happy with our work and don't need pompous rajas lording it over us. You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. And by the way, we know very well that you KNEW we were not re- certified. Your assertion that you didn't was downright dishonest! And Michael, don't delude yourself into believing that too many people are paying you guys attention. You all put on a good show for entertainment - capes, crowns, gowns, limos, bagpipes and all - but that's about all. The amazing sycophancy of the remaining few makes it all dull and predictable. Whoever cares to watch is being entertained, but the volume is turned off! Because frankly, who needs this sort of thing? The days of lording it over people are over. The days of monarchs long past. Wake up guys! Hiding behind the Master won't last forever. Good luck! PS: We have heard from various sources of the desire of the TM movement to confront us legally. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Please be advised that the judges associated with TESP have secured for us a legal representative, in the event that the TM movement feels the need to address us legally. TESP teaches Transcendental Stress Management or TSM. We do not teach Transcendental Meditation or TM. Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria The Enlightened Sentencing Project (TESP)
