[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Something in me just snapped, but very quietly. I walked over to the red-faced, near-apoplectic ass- hole and took him by the perfectly-pressed collar of his perfectly-pressed shirt (mussing his perfect tie), and dragged him over to the edge of the trail that we were walking along and leaned him out over the edge. He looked down...WAY down, several hundred meters, to where he might easily wind up if he didn't pay attention. He paid attention. I don't believe you-- this sounds like a made up fantasy of yours, child. You mean like your enlightenment? :-) To you, precisely like enlightenment, simply because you don't know how to tell the difference...twit. (hook, line, and sinker...). :- ) Jim, Do you actually believe that you are impressing people by pursuing this grudge against me? And by acting out with the intelligence level of a twelve-year-old? I mean, you could stand to learn a little some- thing from the events of the last couple of days. People here on this forum like Nablus, ferchissakes, preferred believing that sandiego108 wasn't you to believing that you -- Jim Flanegin -- had sunk so low in both your language and your thinking. Ask for a show of hands, Jim. After this latest meltdown, ask whether there is even ONE person on this forum who believes your claims of being enlightened. I do. Why does enlightenment has to mean kindness to everybody, in all directions ? Why indeed is kindness so important, all of the time ? Didn't Nityananda just sit there not saying a word, and then suddendly start hitting some fellow vigorously with a stick apparently for no reason ? Get over it, enlightenment is not for fainthearted amateurs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Something in me just snapped, but very quietly. I walked over to the red-faced, near-apoplectic ass- hole and took him by the perfectly-pressed collar of his perfectly-pressed shirt (mussing his perfect tie), and dragged him over to the edge of the trail that we were walking along and leaned him out over the edge. He looked down...WAY down, several hundred meters, to where he might easily wind up if he didn't pay attention. He paid attention. I don't believe you-- this sounds like a made up fantasy of yours, child. Of course I didn't really DO what I said I did. --Barry Wright, 1/23/08 Spot on Judy ! :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:07 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nab, Americans seem to occupy a special place in your heart. Similar, I'm sure, to the place you occupy in our own. I do not dislike them, in fact I have several americans friends from my travels there. Very nice people. But since the CIA are (mostly) americans it is natural to be sceptical. It's not only that president of yours that makes the americans look like fools the world over, CIA is very busy doing the same thing. And, like their president, they are in the business of creating havoc around the world. Hey Nabby, there’s a point that you and I agree on. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.13/1246 - Release Date: 1/27/2008 6:39 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nab, Americans seem to occupy a special place in your heart. Similar, I'm sure, to the place you occupy in our own. I do not dislike them, in fact I have several americans friends from my travels there. Very nice people. But since the CIA are (mostly) americans it is natural to be sceptical. It's not only that president of yours that makes the americans look like fools the world over, CIA is very busy doing the same thing. And, like their president, they are in the business of creating havoc around the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:07 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Nab, Americans seem to occupy a special place in your heart. Similar, I'm sure, to the place you occupy in our own. I do not dislike them, in fact I have several americans friends from my travels there. Very nice people. But since the CIA are (mostly) americans it is natural to be sceptical. It's not only that president of yours that makes the americans look like fools the world over, CIA is very busy doing the same thing. And, like their president, they are in the business of creating havoc around the world. Hey Nabby, there's a point that you and I agree on. ...and do the both of you also believe that the CIA infiltrated the TMO? The crew-cut american caught on the bridge between Kulm and Sonnenberg with a 9mm was not from the Salvation Army.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
On Jan 28, 2008, at 12:10 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Hey Nabby, there's a point that you and I agree on. ...and do the both of you also believe that the CIA infiltrated the TMO? Well you saw the video with the KGB agent, right? After that, the CIA is less of a surprise.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:07 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Nab, Americans seem to occupy a special place in your heart. Similar, I'm sure, to the place you occupy in our own. I do not dislike them, in fact I have several americans friends from my travels there. Very nice people. But since the CIA are (mostly) americans it is natural to be sceptical. It's not only that president of yours that makes the americans look like fools the world over, CIA is very busy doing the same thing. And, like their president, they are in the business of creating havoc around the world. Hey Nabby, there's a point that you and I agree on. Glad to hear that. :-) It would also be good to keep that in mind when you hear and evaluate the truth of rumours.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise ...and do the both of you also believe that the CIA infiltrated the TMO? Probably not to the extent MMY carried on about, but they definitely had their eye on it, especially after Jonestown. I worked in the DC center after Jonestown and Im sure our phones were tapped. I think the CIA saw pretty quickly that the TMO was the gang that couldn't shoot straight and just left us to self-destruct on our own! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.13/1246 - Release Date: 1/27/2008 6:39 PM Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Something in me just snapped, but very quietly. I walked over to the red-faced, near-apoplectic ass- hole and took him by the perfectly-pressed collar of his perfectly-pressed shirt (mussing his perfect tie), and dragged him over to the edge of the trail that we were walking along and leaned him out over the edge. He looked down...WAY down, several hundred meters, to where he might easily wind up if he didn't pay attention. He paid attention. I don't believe you-- this sounds like a made up fantasy of yours, child. You mean like your enlightenment? :-) To you, precisely like enlightenment, simply because you don't know how to tell the difference...twit. (hook, line, and sinker...). :-) Jim, Do you actually believe that you are impressing people by pursuing this grudge against me? And by acting out with the intelligence level of a twelve-year-old? I mean, you could stand to learn a little some- thing from the events of the last couple of days. People here on this forum like Nablus, ferchissakes, preferred believing that sandiego108 wasn't you to believing that you -- Jim Flanegin -- had sunk so low in both your language and your thinking. Ask for a show of hands, Jim. After this latest meltdown, ask whether there is even ONE person on this forum who believes your claims of being enlightened. At this point I think Jim's a troll, Barry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise ...and do the both of you also believe that the CIA infiltrated the TMO? Probably not to the extent MMY carried on about, but they definitely had their eye on it, especially after Jonestown. I worked in the DC center after Jonestown and I'm sure our phones were tapped. Are you aware that unlawful wire-tapping is/was against the law? As such, why didn't you alert the authorities? Or the media? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.13/1246 - Release Date: 1/27/2008 6:39 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise Are you aware that unlawful wire-tapping is/was against the law? I don’t think that ever concerned the CIA. As such, why didn't you alert the authorities? Or the media? I wouldn’t have been able to prove it. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.13/1246 - Release Date: 1/27/2008 6:39 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:07 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Nab, Americans seem to occupy a special place in your heart. Similar, I'm sure, to the place you occupy in our own. I do not dislike them, in fact I have several americans friends from my travels there. Very nice people. But since the CIA are (mostly) americans it is natural to be sceptical. It's not only that president of yours that makes the americans look like fools the world over, CIA is very busy doing the same thing. And, like their president, they are in the business of creating havoc around the world. Hey Nabby, there's a point that you and I agree on. ...and do the both of you also believe that the CIA infiltrated the TMO? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.13/1246 - Release Date: 1/27/2008 6:39 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exercise may not be a critical factor in preventing heart disease, which is probably due to diet factors: http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/140/12/1007 Conclusions: Aerobic physical exercise did not attenuate progression of atherosclerosis, except in a subgroup of men not taking statins. Except in a subgroup of men *not* taking statins? So, aerobic physical exercise is ineffective for men who do take statins and effective for men who don't? Then, Duh!, do aerobic physical exercise and don't take statins! Statin drugs are a huge scam. Big Pharma is raking in billions of dollars on drugs that, for the vast majority of users, provide no benefit in terms of decreased all-cause mortality. The only statin users who do benefit from them are men under the age of 65 with a history of a heart attack, and the benefit isn't all that great.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise ...and do the both of you also believe that the CIA infiltrated the TMO? Probably not to the extent MMY carried on about, but they definitely had their eye on it, especially after Jonestown. I worked in the DC center after Jonestown and I’m sure our phones were tapped. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.13/1246 - Release Date: 1/27/2008 6:39 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
nab wrote: Getting rid of freaking violent types like you feels good too. :-) TurquoiseB wrote: If you EVER speak to me again on this course, that is where I will throw you. Isn't this just like a TBer? Goes bananas and threatens to kill the meditation camp manager. Can't even keep his dirty mouth shut for a walk in nature without spouting some obscene reference to his backside. Then, when told to shut the phuck up, he retaliates by causing a scene. Can't even take a walk and enjoy the silence of nature without the hearing some over-the-top TMer blabbing and making wise-acre jokes. I'm surprised the other TBers didn't gang up on the blabber and kick him out on the spot. I still remember the one that pushed me -- and, as it turns out, almost him -- over the edge. I was having some fun talking with my buddy about some- thing more interesting than cows and green-flowing- fucking-soma and we laughed out loud and he came running over and actually *yelled* at us and screamed, YOU! YOU are the reason Maharishi hasn't visited our course! You shame his teachings by laughing like this when you should be in silence! Something in me just snapped, but very quietly. I walked over to the red-faced, near-apoplectic ass- hole and took him by the perfectly-pressed collar of his perfectly-pressed shirt (mussing his perfect tie), and dragged him over to the edge of the trail that we were walking along and leaned him out over the edge. He looked down...WAY down, several hundred meters, to where he might easily wind up if he didn't pay attention. He paid attention. I said, quietly, I have taken just about all of your bullshit I can. Go away and bother me no more. Look down. If you EVER speak to me again on this course, that is where I will throw you. Do you understand?
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Statin drugs are a huge scam. Big Pharma is raking in billions of dollars on drugs that, for the vast majority of users, provide no benefit in terms of decreased all-cause mortality. The only statin users who do benefit from them are men under the age of 65 with a history of a heart attack, and the benefit isn't all that great. Part of the problem in evaluating the evidence is the risk is cummulative over your life. So, you might only have a 1% chance in a year of having a heart attack, but a 10% chance within 10 years. Statins are probably not a miracle drug, but don't let the pendulum swing too far the other way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purusha they shouldn't exercise because Exercise isn't part of our tradition. That would be ironic only if the type of cardiovascular disease he had would have been prevented or remedied by exercise during the time he was in Purusha. according to wikipedia, sedentary lifestyle is one of the risk factors that are modifiable; some risk factors like genetic predispositon cannot be modified. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiovascular_disease However, unless Maharishi was cautioning against western exercise methods specifically (like going to the gym), i find his statement odd, in light of what his own Maharishi Ayurveda posts on its website, to the contrary: Q: How does one know what kind of exercise to do? A: Vedic exercise, such as Yoga and Sun Salutes, are the most highly regarded forms of exercise in Maharishi Ayurveda, because they rejuvenate and purify the body at a subtle level. Walking is also an excellent form of exercise for almost anyone, and is gentle enough for Vata types. Swimming is ideal for Pitta types, and most Kapha types have a greater capacity for longer and more intense exercise. http://mapi.com/en/newsletters/ayurveda_health_tips.html a vigorous round of a dozen Salutes to the Sun should be enough to cut the risk of too much sitting; and what about all the hopping purusha men do; or do they?
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jymbonic Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:03 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard He was a jolly guy who I hadn't thought of in years. RIP indeed Scotty. The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purush they shouldn't exercise Reference please ! because Exercise isn't part of our tradition.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purusha they shouldn't exercise because Exercise isn't part of our tradition. That would be ironic only if the type of cardiovascular disease he had would have been prevented or remedied by exercise during the time he was in Purusha. according to wikipedia, sedentary lifestyle is one of the risk factors that are modifiable; some risk factors like genetic predispositon cannot be modified. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiovascular_disease However, unless Maharishi was cautioning against western exercise methods specifically (like going to the gym), i find his statement odd, in light of what his own Maharishi Ayurveda posts on its website, to the contrary: Q: How does one know what kind of exercise to do? A: Vedic exercise, such as Yoga and Sun Salutes, are the most highly regarded forms of exercise in Maharishi Ayurveda, because they rejuvenate and purify the body at a subtle level. Walking is also an excellent form of exercise for almost anyone, and is gentle enough for Vata types. Swimming is ideal for Pitta types, and most Kapha types have a greater capacity for longer and more intense exercise. http://mapi.com/en/newsletters/ayurveda_health_tips.html a vigorous round of a dozen Salutes to the Sun should be enough to cut the risk of too much sitting; and what about all the hopping purusha men do; or do they? Too many on Purusha prefer PC screens to Suryanamaskara, ceasless activity to Asanas.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
In a message dated 1/26/08 10:59:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purusha they shouldn’t exercise because “Exercise isn’t part of our tradition.” Incredible! And in that culture for thousands of years people walked everywhere they went, carried heavy loads and in general were very active, at the same time consuming small amounts of food once or twice a day. I sure hope M's instructions aren't mistaken and induce lathargy. **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48)
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purusha they shouldn't exercise because Exercise isn't part of our tradition. That would be ironic only if the type of cardiovascular disease he had would have been prevented or remedied by exercise during the time he was in Purusha. Pray tell, Doctor Stein, are you saying that there are instances in which exercise is NOT a good thing? Er, Shemp, why do you think they always say, Check with your doctor before beginning any exercise program? In any case, that isn't what I actually said, if you'll read it again. There may be instances, in other words, in which exercise is a good thing but wouldn't prevent or remedy specific cardiovascular conditions, contrary to Rick's implication. Besides knowing what specific cardiovascular condition this guy had, we would also need to know what *type* of exercise MMY had been asked about. If the guy's condition was well advanced by the time he joined Purusha, exercise such as weight-lifting or vigorous aerobic exercise might actually have been very dangerous. In general, exercise is a good thing, but there are a lot of variables.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
Scott was a really great guy. Sattvic, authentic, very intelligent and, as you say, quite jolly! A very good man. --- jymbonic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was a jolly guy who I hadn't thought of in years. RIP indeed Scotty. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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In a message dated 1/27/08 7:35:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Besides knowing what specific cardiovascular condition this guy had, we would also need to know what *type* of exercise MMY had been asked about. If the guy's condition was well advanced by the time he joined Purusha, exercise such as weight-lifting or vigorous aerobic exercise might actually have been very dangerous. In general, exercise is a good thing, but there are a lot of variables. The last time I saw Scott, back in the 80's, he was a bit *chubby* and I believe he had been on Purusha since it's inception, back in the 70's. M's instructions since I can remember have been that we don't exert ourselves. If the house catches fire, we walk out, don't run for anything. Chances are Scott's weight, along with probably a high fat and carb diet, ghee, rice, bread and sweets etc. along with a sedentary life style, with minimal physical exertion, caused plaque build up in his arteries and possibly thickening of the heart's walls which leads to heart failure. From what I knew of Scott, he was as close to a saint as anybody in the TM movement and probably much more so than many of it's current leaders. I never heard him tell anybody how they should or should not be or to live their lives. I never heard a critical or harmful word from his mouth and he definitely wasn't on any power trip, trying to exert authority over anybody. Scott will be missed. **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48)
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: Too many on Purusha prefer PC screens to Suryanamaskara, ceasless activity to Asanas. Nab, so who is left that upholds the teaching in the way it should be upheld? Now that many on Purusha are found to be deficient: numbers wise, how many are still maintaining the purity of the teaching ? I mean, you can't be half way on this thing, and not expect diaster, right?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
On Jan 27, 2008, at 8:53 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: Too many on Purusha prefer PC screens to Suryanamaskara, ceasless activity to Asanas. Nab, so who is left that upholds the teaching in the way it should be upheld? Now that many on Purusha are found to be deficient: numbers wise, how many are still maintaining the purity of the teaching ? I mean, you can't be half way on this thing, and not expect diaster, right? There are many good Purushas not sold out to rajasic activity, mostly they are in the Himalayas. And if they *are* sold out to rajasic activity, Nabs, where would they be? In the bars and brothels? :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/27/08 7:35:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Besides knowing what specific cardiovascular condition this guy had, we would also need to know what *type* of exercise MMY had been asked about. If the guy's condition was well advanced by the time he joined Purusha, exercise such as weight-lifting or vigorous aerobic exercise might actually have been very dangerous. In general, exercise is a good thing, but there are a lot of variables. The last time I saw Scott, back in the 80's, he was a bit *chubby* and I believe he had been on Purusha since it's inception, back in the 70's. M's instructions since I can remember have been that we don't exert ourselves. If the house catches fire, we walk out, don't run for anything. Chances are Scott's weight, along with probably a high fat and carb diet, ghee, rice, bread and sweets etc. along with a sedentary life style, with minimal physical exertion, caused plaque build up in his arteries and possibly thickening of the heart's walls which leads to heart failure. From what I knew of Scott, he was as close to a saint as anybody in the TM movement and probably much more so than many of it's current leaders. I never heard him tell anybody how they should or should not be or to live their lives. I never heard a critical or harmful word from his mouth and he definitely wasn't on any power trip, trying to exert authority over anybody. Scott will be missed. You nailed it regarding Scott. One of the good guys. **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: Too many on Purusha prefer PC screens to Suryanamaskara, ceasless activity to Asanas. Nab, so who is left that upholds the teaching in the way it should be upheld? Now that many on Purusha are found to be deficient: numbers wise, how many are still maintaining the purity of the teaching ? I mean, you can't be half way on this thing, and not expect diaster, right? There are many good Purushas not sold out to rajasic activity, mostly they are in the Himalayas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 27, 2008, at 8:53 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: Too many on Purusha prefer PC screens to Suryanamaskara, ceasless activity to Asanas. Nab, so who is left that upholds the teaching in the way it should be upheld? Now that many on Purusha are found to be deficient: numbers wise, how many are still maintaining the purity of the teaching ? I mean, you can't be half way on this thing, and not expect diaster, right? There are many good Purushas not sold out to rajasic activity, mostly they are in the Himalayas. And if they *are* sold out to rajasic activity, Nabs, where would they be? In the bars and brothels? :) Sal Anywhere in the USA will do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
This is an insight into MMY's mind. Let's look at his assertion at face value. How did the guys in his tradition live? The only people we know are in his tradition are remembered in the puja, so skipping past the obviously mythological characters, we find some people whose lifestyles we can use to determine what he was talking about. Shukadeva was a nudist who lived outside. In fact we see that Guru Dev, who was also a famous camper (but clothed), may have encountered indoor plumbing for the first time at Jotir Math. (that is if it has indoor pluming?) So if we are going to take the lifestyles of the tradition seriously then Purusha is missing a huge component of that lifestyle: they lived lives with built in physical activity. Just taking a bath for these guys might involve walking down to a river or stream. They were outdoorsmen who could see their breath on cold days (North India gets cold) when they went for a morning...how to put this delicately so as not to offend...Oh I know, moving from the fullness of fullness to the fullness of emptiness! How they DIDN'T live was sitting on foam or in front of computers as Nabby pointed out. They didn't live in the artificially heated and cooled environments of modern man. They didn't have parkas. So like a lot of stuff that comes out of MMY's mouth, this statement doesn't make any sense. It just reveals his contempt for modern science and medicine. So let's all use our saliva to wash out our eyes in the morning as was recommended in the early days of Ayur Veda, and NEVER work up a sweat! Then Purusha can all look like all the elderly people we see around us who didn't live an active lifestyle. Fortunately they can fall back on their Purusha health care insurance, right? Right? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 11:38 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purusha they shouldn't exercise because Exercise isn't part of our tradition. That would be ironic only if the type of cardiovascular disease he had would have been prevented or remedied by exercise during the time he was in Purusha. Pray tell, Doctor Stein, are you saying that there are instances in which exercise is NOT a good thing? I was going to make a similar comment. I'm no medical expert, but I can't imagine a cardiologist telling anyone that exercise wouldn't benefit them, unless they were so ill that the slightest exertion might kill them. I've seen people in their 90's who had gotten proper exercise all their lives and could still run, ski, etc. Maharishi, who has been sedentary, has been bound to a wheelchair for several years. If non-exercise is part of his tradition, then the tradition is deficient. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
On Jan 27, 2008, at 8:58 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: There are many good Purushas not sold out to rajasic activity, mostly they are in the Himalayas. And if they *are* sold out to rajasic activity, Nabs, where would they be? In the bars and brothels? :) Sal Anywhere in the USA will do. Hey, Fairfield's clean. We're down to only about 25 or so bars, and they closed the escort service last week. Not enough Purushas to make it worthwhile. :) Sal
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Nabs: Too many on Purusha prefer PC screens to Suryanamaskara, ceasless activity to Asanas. Lurk: who is left that upholds the teaching in the way it should be upheld? Now that many on Purusha are found to be deficient: numbers Nabs: There are many good Purushas not sold out to rajasic activity, mostly they are in the Himalayas. Sounds like we're down to a handful, which cannot be a good sign.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nabs: Too many on Purusha prefer PC screens to Suryanamaskara, ceasless activity to Asanas. Lurk: who is left that upholds the teaching in the way it should be upheld? Now that many on Purusha are found to be deficient: numbers Nabs: There are many good Purushas not sold out to rajasic activity, mostly they are in the Himalayas. Sounds like we're down to a handful, which cannot be a good sign. So you know how many Purushas are in the Himalayas do you ?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fortunately they can fall back on their Purusha health care insurance, right? Right? For them the most fortunate thing is not to have to be exposed to utter fools like you.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Fortunately they can fall back on their Purusha health care insurance, right? Right? For them the most fortunate thing is not to have to be exposed to utter fools like you. That's utter fully insured fool to you Nabby. You do know that name calling is not an argument, but is the demonstration of the lack of one, don't you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nabs: Too many on Purusha prefer PC screens to Suryanamaskara, ceasless activity to Asanas. Lurk: who is left that upholds the teaching in the way it should be upheld? Now that many on Purusha are found to be deficient: numbers Nabs: There are many good Purushas not sold out to rajasic activity, mostly they are in the Himalayas. Lurk: Sounds like we're down to a handful, which cannot be a good sign. Nabs: So you know how many Purushas are in the Himalayas do you ? Nabs, are you going to parse handful You tell me how many. I guess probably a couple dozen. In my book, that would be a handful, out of a couple hundered. In fact I have a close connection to one of them. He would definitely pass the grade in your book. I did not know americans was allowed there, but if that is the case why don't you ask him ? My info is that it's definately more than 12. But even that would be suffiscient.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Fortunately they can fall back on their Purusha health care insurance, right? Right? For them the most fortunate thing is not to have to be exposed to utter fools like you. That's utter fully insured fool to you Nabby. You do know that name calling is not an argument, but is the demonstration of the lack of one, don't you? I'm not looking for arguments. One of the great things about being on Purusha is exactly this; noy having to discuss with characters like yourself. A very good thing indeed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
Nabs: Too many on Purusha prefer PC screens to Suryanamaskara, ceasless activity to Asanas. Lurk: who is left that upholds the teaching in the way it should be upheld? Now that many on Purusha are found to be deficient: numbers Nabs: There are many good Purushas not sold out to rajasic activity, mostly they are in the Himalayas. Lurk: Sounds like we're down to a handful, which cannot be a good sign. Nabs: So you know how many Purushas are in the Himalayas do you ? Nabs, are you going to parse handful You tell me how many. I guess probably a couple dozen. In my book, that would be a handful, out of a couple hundered. In fact I have a close connection to one of them. He would definitely pass the grade in your book.
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I'm not looking for arguments. One of the great things about being on Purusha is exactly this; noy having to discuss with characters like yourself. A very good thing indeed. Since most of my contact with Purusha at the end of my movement life consisted of them hitting my wife and I up for money, I assure you the feeling is mutual. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Fortunately they can fall back on their Purusha health care insurance, right? Right? For them the most fortunate thing is not to have to be exposed to utter fools like you. That's utter fully insured fool to you Nabby. You do know that name calling is not an argument, but is the demonstration of the lack of one, don't you? I'm not looking for arguments. One of the great things about being on Purusha is exactly this; noy having to discuss with characters like yourself. A very good thing indeed.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was going to make a similar comment. I'm no medical expert, but I can't imagine a cardiologist telling anyone that exercise wouldn't benefit them, unless they were so ill that the slightest exertion might kill them. False dichotomy. The slightest exertion doesn't have to be enough to kill you for a cardiologist to recommend against vigorous exercise (as opposed to, say, hatha yoga and walking--do we know that Purusha guys don't take walks?). I've seen people in their 90's who had gotten proper exercise all their lives and could still run, ski, etc. As Bob (I think) pointed out, genetics plays a significant role as well. Maharishi, who has been sedentary, has been bound to a wheelchair for several years. If non-exercise is part of his tradition, then the tradition is deficient. That just doesn't follow, Rick. It's certainly a possibility, but it ain't anything like the only possibility. For instance, reportedly he has diabetes, which can cause ghastly foot ulcers, in some cases despite adequate exercise and medication and diet. It could be that his feet are too painful for him to walk. Yes, he's been sedentary, but he's also in his 90s, well beyond standard life expectancy, even though his self-imposed work schedule has been far more grueling for far longer than most people, even those in excellent health, could tolerate. Seems to me he's held up remarkably well under the circumstances, exercise or no exercise.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So like a lot of stuff that comes out of MMY's mouth, this statement doesn't make any sense. It just reveals his contempt for modern science and medicine. Well, I sure am not clear as to exactly what MMY was including in the phrase our tradition, or what kind of exercise he was referring to. It might also be important to know what *else* he said in this connection, to have more context for the quoted statement. So it seems to me we don't really have enough information to draw the conclusion you've just come to. You began by saying, Let's look at his assertion at face value. In general, I think the critics of MMY here rely far too much on face value. They seem to lack the imagination to realize how important context can be. Sometimes it can confirm the face value, but other times it shows it in an entirely different light.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:53 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise There are many good Purushas not sold out to rajasic activity, mostly they are in the Himalayas. You’re not in the Himalayas. Are you sold out to rajasic activity? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip So like a lot of stuff that comes out of MMY's mouth, this statement doesn't make any sense. It just reveals his contempt for modern science and medicine. Well, I sure am not clear as to exactly what MMY was including in the phrase our tradition, or what kind of exercise he was referring to. It might also be important to know what *else* he said in this connection, to have more context for the quoted statement. So it seems to me we don't really have enough information to draw the conclusion you've just come to. That could be the case. You began by saying, Let's look at his assertion at face value. In general, I think the critics of MMY here rely far too much on face value. They seem to lack the imagination to realize how important context can be. Sometimes it can confirm the face value, but other times it shows it in an entirely different light. While I used the term face value, remember that I lived in programs where every hour was programmed by MMY. Vigorous exercise has always been frowned on. Statements like Asanas provide enough exercise were used to guide our activity. MMY is anti weight training and aerobic training, this is a known fact of his fulltime programs. But now all the chickens are coming to roost. If MMY is right his groups of people living under his direction should be the picture of good health. We are entering the area beyond opinions as we see how people age. You can't tell anything by one person, but we will get a better idea with many aging Purusha and Mother Divine. As far as MMy goes,I think his mission is a big key to his longevity. having a purpose seems to be a really important for a long life On the other hand my dad is his age and is much more physically vigorous. But there are so many factors in health we can only pick out what makes sense and run with it. For me it includes weight training and aerobics as well as stretching and balance training. I am hoping that pursuing my music will give my life a focus till the guitar drops from my hands. I have read that many musicians live a long time and I think the activity and expression may help. I'll bet our views on how you and I conduct our own healthy lives are more similar than different.
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Nabs: So you know how many Purushas are in the Himalayas do you ? Lurk: Nabs, are you going to parse handful You tell me how many. I guess probably a couple dozen. In my book, that would be a handful, out of a couple hundered. In fact I have a close connection to one of them. He would definitely pass the grade in your book. Nabs: I did not know americans was allowed there, but if that is the case why don't you ask him ? My info is that it's definately more than 12. But even that would be suffiscient. Nabs, I suspect there are a lot of misconceptions you suffer from, this being one of them. Like I said, it sounds like there is a handful in India. I'm glad everything is hunky dory from your perspective.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:27 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fortunately they can fall back on their Purusha health care insurance, right? Right? For them the most fortunate thing is not to have to be exposed to utter fools like you. As always, when someone makes an intelligent post, Nabby insults him rather than responding in kind. In fact, I can’t think of a single instance where Nabby has actually responded otherwise. He is consistently condescending. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM
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Four years ago, I was at 234 lbs and a complete keyboard potato. I was huffing and puffing on every stairway, and I had a host of other lack-of-vitality symptoms too. Enter the Trikke. Down 30 pounds, never get tired doing normal everyday stuff, can do a ton of things that I never knew I was missing. I shoveled an eight inch snow fall for 30 minutes the other day without pausing -- like that. Ain't no one here going to talk me out of exercising cuz of sweat. I come back from trikking and continue to sweat for 30 minutes -- my heart rate can spike up to 170 beats per minutes, but the blood pressure is normal (95 over 65)-- gotta love that. I get extra benefits from my woman all the time when she is amazed at my strength and endurance nowvery nice to be fit and healthy in the eyes of your love. I just keep saying to her, no surprise, I'm Trikkerman! Gotta tell ya, getchersef something physical to do, don't havta be no trikking, but just get out there 30 minutes a day and work up a sweat, and you will see your whole life come up a notch in energy, verve, esteem, passion, positivity upon awakening in the morning, flexibility, and on and on. That said, I think the key is flexibility, and 30 minutes of asanas per day could possibly do 75% of the getting-fit workload. The sun salutation seems purdy good fer thet. Here's the proof: I'm so confident about what exercise has gotten me, that I even write it up here knowing full well that Sh-empty is posting today. Great God in heaven, please heal Sh-empty. We want Shfully instead. Amen. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purusha they shouldn't exercise because Exercise isn't part of our tradition. That would be ironic only if the type of cardiovascular disease he had would have been prevented or remedied by exercise during the time he was in Purusha.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:01 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise I did not know americans was allowed there, but if that is the case why don't you ask him ? My info is that it's definately more than 12. But even that would be suffiscient. Probably the majority of Purusha in Uttarkashi are Americans. I’ll find out the totals and post them. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But now all the chickens are coming to roost. If MMY is right his groups of people living under his direction should be the picture of good health. We are entering the area beyond opinions as we see how people age. You can't tell anything by one person, but we will get a better idea with many aging Purusha and Mother Divine. Right, a better idea (but even then, not necessarily statistically conclusive evidence one way or the other). I'm just objecting to the conclusions being drawn on tiny amounts of anecdotal evidence. snip I'll bet our views on how you and I conduct our own healthy lives are more similar than different. Oh, I'm sure. But then neither of us is in Mother Divine/Purusha. I'd certainly be dubious about a recommendation not to exercise for people living ordinary lives in the real world. I'm dubious about such a recommendation for Mother Divine/Purusha as well, but I leave more room for their different circumstances possibly having different effects.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
You can't tell anything by one person, but we will get a better idea with many aging Purusha and Mother Divine. I think that ship has already sailed, Curtis, judging by the premature aging we have seen among sidhas and by how many of them passed away in their 40s and 50s. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip So like a lot of stuff that comes out of MMY's mouth, this statement doesn't make any sense. It just reveals his contempt for modern science and medicine. Well, I sure am not clear as to exactly what MMY was including in the phrase our tradition, or what kind of exercise he was referring to. It might also be important to know what *else* he said in this connection, to have more context for the quoted statement. So it seems to me we don't really have enough information to draw the conclusion you've just come to. That could be the case. You began by saying, Let's look at his assertion at face value. In general, I think the critics of MMY here rely far too much on face value. They seem to lack the imagination to realize how important context can be. Sometimes it can confirm the face value, but other times it shows it in an entirely different light. While I used the term face value, remember that I lived in programs where every hour was programmed by MMY. Vigorous exercise has always been frowned on. Statements like Asanas provide enough exercise were used to guide our activity. MMY is anti weight training and aerobic training, this is a known fact of his fulltime programs. But now all the chickens are coming to roost. If MMY is right his groups of people living under his direction should be the picture of good health. We are entering the area beyond opinions as we see how people age. You can't tell anything by one person, but we will get a better idea with many aging Purusha and Mother Divine. As far as MMy goes,I think his mission is a big key to his longevity. having a purpose seems to be a really important for a long life On the other hand my dad is his age and is much more physically vigorous. But there are so many factors in health we can only pick out what makes sense and run with it. For me it includes weight training and aerobics as well as stretching and balance training. I am hoping that pursuing my music will give my life a focus till the guitar drops from my hands. I have read that many musicians live a long time and I think the activity and expression may help. I'll bet our views on how you and I conduct our own healthy lives are more similar than different. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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Edg wrote: Great God in heaven, please heal Sh-empty. We want Shfully instead. Hey, that's a good one. BTW, the whole family was in the room, and we just watched the Trikke promo video. Everyone liked it and the family's thinking about getting me one for upcoming birthday. (actually 52, not 53 like I said before). I would just have to commit to using it. But this latest discussion has me thinking how good some exercise would be.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
Lurk, Are you in FF? I just bought another Trikke two weeks ago. The newly improved design of the T8 is golden, and the T8 is good for learning on, but you'll probably end up giving that one to someone in your family and buy a T12 once you get your carving chops. The Trikke Tech folks are tops, so no problems ordering from their Web site, but I buy my Trikkes from the Tampa Florida dealer, he's aces, biggest dealer in the world. Tell him I sent ya, it might get you a discount. Andy Clark Trikke Tampa Store 3818-A W. Bay Vista Ave. Tampa, FL 33611 (813) 319-3735 www.TrikkeTampaStore.com Andy and I are testing a new product from Trikke Tech that hasn't been announced yet...bigass secret right now...I can hardly retrain myself from blabbing about it; the thing is so much fun. Stay tuned. But get a Trikke, don't wait for something new that might be a year out yet, and the new thing will require that you know how to trikke also, so there you go. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg wrote: Great God in heaven, please heal Sh-empty. We want Shfully instead. Hey, that's a good one. BTW, the whole family was in the room, and we just watched the Trikke promo video. Everyone liked it and the family's thinking about getting me one for upcoming birthday. (actually 52, not 53 like I said before). I would just have to commit to using it. But this latest discussion has me thinking how good some exercise would be.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
I'm just objecting to the conclusions being drawn on tiny amounts of anecdotal evidence. One of my favorite qualities of your posts. Good reminder. I'm dubious about such a recommendation for Mother Divine/Purusha as well, but I leave more room for their different circumstances possibly having different effects. Crude breath for crude nervous system is on of MMY's quotes against exercise. I think not betting the whole farm on his POV, which is how you seem to live, is wise. We will see if his special groups is really an exception to the value of physical activity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip But now all the chickens are coming to roost. If MMY is right his groups of people living under his direction should be the picture of good health. We are entering the area beyond opinions as we see how people age. You can't tell anything by one person, but we will get a better idea with many aging Purusha and Mother Divine. Right, a better idea (but even then, not necessarily statistically conclusive evidence one way or the other). I'm just objecting to the conclusions being drawn on tiny amounts of anecdotal evidence. snip I'll bet our views on how you and I conduct our own healthy lives are more similar than different. Oh, I'm sure. But then neither of us is in Mother Divine/Purusha. I'd certainly be dubious about a recommendation not to exercise for people living ordinary lives in the real world. I'm dubious about such a recommendation for Mother Divine/Purusha as well, but I leave more room for their different circumstances possibly having different effects.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Fortunately they can fall back on their Purusha health care insurance, right? Right? For them the most fortunate thing is not to have to be exposed to utter fools like you. Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God holds others in contempt. ~~ Robert Green Ingersoll, lawyer and orator (1833-1899) When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt. ~~ Robert T. Pirsig, author and philosopher (1928- )
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:27 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Fortunately they can fall back on their Purusha health care insurance, right? Right? For them the most fortunate thing is not to have to be exposed to utter fools like you. As always, when someone makes an intelligent post, Nabby insults him rather than responding in kind. In fact, I can't think of a single instance where Nabby has actually responded otherwise. He is consistently condescending. Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God holds others in contempt. ~~ Robert Green Ingersoll, lawyer and orator (1833-1899) When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt. ~~ Robert T. Pirsig, author and philosopher (1928- )
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:01 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise I did not know americans was allowed there, but if that is the case why don't you ask him ? My info is that it's definately more than 12. But even that would be suffiscient. Probably the majority of Purusha in Uttarkashi are Americans. I'll find out the totals and post them. As any information about the Movement coming from Rich Archer they are bound to be both accurate and truthful.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:53 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise There are many good Purushas not sold out to rajasic activity, mostly they are in the Himalayas. You're not in the Himalayas. Are you sold out to rajasic activity? I'm not on Purusha, in case you did not know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nabs: So you know how many Purushas are in the Himalayas do you ? Lurk: Nabs, are you going to parse handful You tell me how many. I guess probably a couple dozen. In my book, that would be a handful, out of a couple hundered. In fact I have a close connection to one of them. He would definitely pass the grade in your book. Nabs: I did not know americans was allowed there, but if that is the case why don't you ask him ? My info is that it's definately more than 12. But even that would be suffiscient. Nabs, I suspect there are a lot of misconceptions you suffer from, this being one of them. Like I said, it sounds like there is a handful in India. I'm glad everything is hunky dory from your perspective. Sure, 150 would probably be a handful in your mind.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:49 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:53 AM To: HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise There are many good Purushas not sold out to rajasic activity, mostly they are in the Himalayas. You're not in the Himalayas. Are you sold out to rajasic activity? I'm not on Purusha, in case you did not know. I knew that. So if Purushas not in the Himalayas tend to be rajasic, what does that make non-Purushas? Seems to me that by your way of thinking, non-Purushas would generally be more rajasic than Purushas. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:57 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably the majority of Purusha in Uttarkashi are Americans. I'll find out the totals and post them. As any information about the Movement coming from Rich Archer they are bound to be both accurate and truthful. I just heard from a friend who used to be with Purusha in Uttarkashi. He said: “About a hundred. I'm guessing 60% are American.” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM
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Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 11:38 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purusha they shouldn't exercise because Exercise isn't part of our tradition. That would be ironic only if the type of cardiovascular disease he had would have been prevented or remedied by exercise during the time he was in Purusha. Pray tell, Doctor Stein, are you saying that there are instances in which exercise is NOT a good thing? I was going to make a similar comment. I’m no medical expert, but I can’t imagine a cardiologist telling anyone that exercise wouldn’t benefit them, unless they were so ill that the slightest exertion might kill them. I’ve seen people in their 90’s who had gotten proper exercise all their lives and could still run, ski, etc. Maharishi, who has been sedentary, has been bound to a wheelchair for several years. If non-exercise is part of his tradition, then the tradition is deficient. When I was on TTC and the Sidhis program we had walks every day either after or before lunch and it was recommended. Maybe running or heavy exercise might not be good for someone rounding because of the shock to the system. But walking should be okay. Plus using an Indian diet for westerners is not a good idea either. MMY started out saying eat what your mother puts before you. That was a subtle way of saying what your ancestors ate is probably the best diet for you or modified if you moved to a new location. Of course if your ancestors ate a bad diet and keeled over in their 40's it might not be such a good idea too and needs some advice or modification. Your body changes and adapts (acclimatizes) to your environment. My guru returned early from his last India trip and when I asked why he said too hot! So in about 10 years time he had become so acclimatized to the California climate that India was now too hot. I also have another Indian restaurateur friend who told me he gets sick now when he visits India. I've also wondered if so many who have had health problems and died early in the movement were even following advice from even MAPI practitioners? I've known people when recommended to at least eat eggs for breakfast didn't want to and stuck to an yogic diet of Indian food stuff not necessarily that good for westerners. We're all individuals and need to find what works for you and keep in mind the body will change too. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was on TTC and the Sidhis program we had walks every day either after or before lunch and it was recommended. On my last TM course, our walk and talks were mandated. We had to leave the hotel and walk in total silence along the lovely mountainside trails of St. Moritz. It was the only time on my six-month TM Siddhi course that I enjoyed. We got to get the fuck OUT of the hotel, and see nature, and breathe real air, and just RELAX for an hour, free of the TM automatons trying to run every second of our lives. But there was one asshole on that course -- Shemp can verify this -- who did his best to fuck even *that* hour up, too. He was one of those classic I know the way to do everything spiritual perfectly and you don't type, and if he caught a few of us on our 'walk and talks' actually talking, he'd come running over and try to lay some guilt trip on us. I still remember the one that pushed me -- and, as it turns out, almost him -- over the edge. I was having some fun talking with my buddy about some- thing more interesting than cows and green-flowing- fucking-soma and we laughed out loud and he came running over and actually *yelled* at us and screamed, YOU! YOU are the reason Maharishi hasn't visited our course! You shame his teachings by laughing like this when you should be in silence! Something in me just snapped, but very quietly. I walked over to the red-faced, near-apoplectic ass- hole and took him by the perfectly-pressed collar of his perfectly-pressed shirt (mussing his perfect tie), and dragged him over to the edge of the trail that we were walking along and leaned him out over the edge. He looked down...WAY down, several hundred meters, to where he might easily wind up if he didn't pay attention. He paid attention. I said, quietly, I have taken just about all of your bullshit I can. Go away and bother me no more. Look down. If you EVER speak to me again on this course, that is where I will throw you. Do you understand? He understood. He never spoke to me again, on that course or any other. My exercise program remained undisturbed for the rest of the course, and both my buddy and I continued to laugh our ways through each one of them. Occasionally we'd see the asshole glaring at us, angry that our laughter was keeping him from his teacher and his enlightenment and whatever *else* he thought our enjoyment of life was keeping him from, but he never dared to say anything to either of us again. And that's what exercise time was like on my last course. Boy, I don't miss the TM movement...
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard He understood. He never spoke to me again, on that course or any other. My exercise program remained undisturbed for the rest of the course, and both my buddy and I continued to laugh our ways through each one of them. Occasionally we'd see the asshole glaring at us, angry that our laughter was keeping him from his teacher and his enlightenment and whatever *else* he thought our enjoyment of life was keeping him from, but he never dared to say anything to either of us again. Now he’s probably a junkie or a gigolo. Strainers eventually snap. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Behalf Of TurquoiseB He understood. He never spoke to me again, on that course or any other. My exercise program remained undisturbed for the rest of the course, and both my buddy and I continued to laugh our ways through each one of them. Occasionally we'd see the asshole glaring at us, angry that our laughter was keeping him from his teacher and his enlightenment and whatever *else* he thought our enjoyment of life was keeping him from, but he never dared to say anything to either of us again. Now he's probably a junkie or a gigolo. Strainers eventually snap. I'd be surprised if he weren't still a part of the TM movement, somewhere. He wouldn't have had any other option in life.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of TurquoiseB He understood. He never spoke to me again, on that course or any other. My exercise program remained undisturbed for the rest of the course, and both my buddy and I continued to laugh our ways through each one of them. Occasionally we'd see the asshole glaring at us, angry that our laughter was keeping him from his teacher and his enlightenment and whatever *else* he thought our enjoyment of life was keeping him from, but he never dared to say anything to either of us again. Now he's probably a junkie or a gigolo. Strainers eventually snap. I'd be surprised if he weren't still a part of the TM movement, somewhere. He wouldn't have had any other option in life.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard HYPERLINK http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/twocents/2006/12/20/Yankaus_Micha el.jpg Michael Yankaus didn’t snap. He mellowed. He’s still in the movement, but is very easy-going and open-minded. A genuinely nice guy. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM
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One thing that I got from the TMO that I still do is asanas--surya namaskar and the advanced set of asanas I was taught at a course. I spend more time doing the yoga than I spend meditating. I also lift weights moderately--for tone rather than for getting bulky, and bicycle. I feel pretty good physically.
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Great, Thanks. I know you're in the midwest like I am. You've been waiting for a day like this. 50 degrees here today. I want to fill you in with some personal details in the next week or so. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lurk, Are you in FF? I just bought another Trikke two weeks ago. The newly improved design of the T8 is golden, and the T8 is good for learning on, but you'll probably end up giving that one to someone in your family and buy a T12 once you get your carving chops. The Trikke Tech folks are tops, so no problems ordering from their Web site, but I buy my Trikkes from the Tampa Florida dealer, he's aces, biggest dealer in the world. Tell him I sent ya, it might get you a discount. Andy Clark Trikke Tampa Store 3818-A W. Bay Vista Ave. Tampa, FL 33611 (813) 319-3735 www.TrikkeTampaStore.com Andy and I are testing a new product from Trikke Tech that hasn't been announced yet...bigass secret right now...I can hardly retrain myself from blabbing about it; the thing is so much fun. Stay tuned. But get a Trikke, don't wait for something new that might be a year out yet, and the new thing will require that you know how to trikke also, so there you go. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Edg wrote: Great God in heaven, please heal Sh-empty. We want Shfully instead. Hey, that's a good one. BTW, the whole family was in the room, and we just watched the Trikke promo video. Everyone liked it and the family's thinking about getting me one for upcoming birthday. (actually 52, not 53 like I said before). I would just have to commit to using it. But this latest discussion has me thinking how good some exercise would be.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
nablusoss1008 ... wrote: Sure, 150 would probably be a handful in your mind. Nabby, I recomment animal protein in your diet. I think it would strenghten your mind, and improve your debating skills.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Exercise may not be a critical factor in preventing heart disease, which is probably due to diet factors: http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/140/12/1007 Conclusions: Aerobic physical exercise did not attenuate progression of atherosclerosis, except in a subgroup of men not taking statins. This study pertains to heart disease that already has evidenced itself, exercise by itself is unlikely to reduce plaque. Sometimes a very restrictive diet can reduce plaque. For westerners, lifestyle factors are a large part of heart disease, such as lack of exercise, bad diet and other bad habits like smoking. Plus genes. And bad luck. For example, instead of a plumbing problem you might have an electrical problem that has nothing to do with how well you have taken care of yourself. Either can kill you. Recommendations to see your doctor before starting an exercise program are partly CYA and partly because you might have a time bomb in your chest. Nevertheless, in general exercise is good good good, even for people who have cardiac issues if those issues are addressed as part of a treatment program. With all of these caveats, I tend to disagree with MMY's position that you shouldn't exercise yourself into a sweat. But if you come from a hot climate, you do have to keep cognizant of the heat when exercising and people often over do it in the heat. Heart rate monitors are good to have for those who exercise in the heat. And heck, if people would just walk 10,000 steps a day that would work just fine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
TurquoiseB wrote: I said, quietly, I have taken just about all of your bullshit I can. Go away and bother me no more. Look down. If you EVER speak to me again on this course, that is where I will throw you. Do you understand? Well, I guess that explains why you were kicked out of the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:49 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:53 AM To: HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise There are many good Purushas not sold out to rajasic activity, mostly they are in the Himalayas. You're not in the Himalayas. Are you sold out to rajasic activity? I'm not on Purusha, in case you did not know. I knew that. So if Purushas not in the Himalayas tend to be rajasic, what does that make non-Purushas? Seems to me that by your way of thinking, non-Purushas would generally be more rajasic than Purushas. Not necessarily, but usually. Without a certain amount of rajas, how else would the outer world go round.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:57 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Probably the majority of Purusha in Uttarkashi are Americans. I'll find out the totals and post them. As any information about the Movement coming from Rich Archer they are bound to be both accurate and truthful. I just heard from a friend who used to be with Purusha in Uttarkashi. He said: About a hundred. I'm guessing 60% are American. As all info coming from Rich Archer has to be seriously doubted, this has as well. But 60 americans in the mountains can be better for the Movement than 60 of them moving about.
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--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But now all the chickens are coming to roost. If MMY is right his groups of people living under his direction should be the picture of good health. We are entering the area beyond opinions as we see how people age. You can't tell anything by one person, but we will get a better idea with many aging Purusha and Mother Divine. Right, a better idea (but even then, not necessarily statistically conclusive evidence one way or the other). I'm just objecting to the conclusions being drawn on tiny amounts of anecdotal evidence. snip I'll bet our views on how you and I conduct our own healthy lives are more similar than different. Oh, I'm sure. But then neither of us is in Mother Divine/Purusha. I'd certainly be dubious about a recommendation not to exercise for people living ordinary lives in the real world. I'm dubious about such a recommendation for Mother Divine/Purusha as well, but I leave more room for their different circumstances possibly having different effects. The appropriate dharma for these bodies is to exercise them. They evolved to be used in quite a vigorous way. I don't know about you, but I feel great after I exercise. But I've always been a jock and this body loves heavy levels of exercise and sweat. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that's what exercise time was like on my last course. Boy, I don't miss the TM movement... Getting rid of freaking violent types like you feels good too. :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nablusoss1008 ... wrote: Sure, 150 would probably be a handful in your mind. Nabby, I recomment animal protein in your diet. I think it would strenghten your mind, and improve your debating skills. Sorry mate, but debating with you has no purpose nor meaning. I think I'll just stick to my diet, thank you very much.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sorry mate, but debating with you has no purpose nor meaning. I think I'll just stick to my diet, thank you very much. It's the Nabby default post. Guaranteed to come out 2, max 3, posts into a discussion
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Nab, Americans seem to occupy a special place in your heart. Similar, I'm sure, to the place you occupy in our own. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:57 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard / Vedic exercise --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Probably the majority of Purusha in Uttarkashi are Americans. I'll find out the totals and post them. As any information about the Movement coming from Rich Archer they are bound to be both accurate and truthful. I just heard from a friend who used to be with Purusha in Uttarkashi. He said: About a hundred. I'm guessing 60% are American. As all info coming from Rich Archer has to be seriously doubted, this has as well. But 60 americans in the mountains can be better for the Movement than 60 of them moving about.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something in me just snapped, but very quietly. I walked over to the red-faced, near-apoplectic ass- hole and took him by the perfectly-pressed collar of his perfectly-pressed shirt (mussing his perfect tie), and dragged him over to the edge of the trail that we were walking along and leaned him out over the edge. He looked down...WAY down, several hundred meters, to where he might easily wind up if he didn't pay attention. He paid attention. I don't believe you-- this sounds like a made up fantasy of yours, child.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: And that's what exercise time was like on my last course. Boy, I don't miss the TM movement... Getting rid of freaking violent types like you feels good too. :-) no worries mate, he's just a wannabe-- a poseur.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Something in me just snapped, but very quietly. I walked over to the red-faced, near-apoplectic ass- hole and took him by the perfectly-pressed collar of his perfectly-pressed shirt (mussing his perfect tie), and dragged him over to the edge of the trail that we were walking along and leaned him out over the edge. He looked down...WAY down, several hundred meters, to where he might easily wind up if he didn't pay attention. He paid attention. I don't believe you-- this sounds like a made up fantasy of yours, child. You mean like your enlightenment? :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Something in me just snapped, but very quietly. I walked over to the red-faced, near-apoplectic ass- hole and took him by the perfectly-pressed collar of his perfectly-pressed shirt (mussing his perfect tie), and dragged him over to the edge of the trail that we were walking along and leaned him out over the edge. He looked down...WAY down, several hundred meters, to where he might easily wind up if he didn't pay attention. He paid attention. I don't believe you-- this sounds like a made up fantasy of yours, child. You mean like your enlightenment? :-) To you, precisely like enlightenment, simply because you don't know how to tell the difference...twit. (hook, line, and sinker...). :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Something in me just snapped, but very quietly. I walked over to the red-faced, near-apoplectic ass- hole and took him by the perfectly-pressed collar of his perfectly-pressed shirt (mussing his perfect tie), and dragged him over to the edge of the trail that we were walking along and leaned him out over the edge. He looked down...WAY down, several hundred meters, to where he might easily wind up if he didn't pay attention. He paid attention. I don't believe you-- this sounds like a made up fantasy of yours, child. You mean like your enlightenment? :-) To you, precisely like enlightenment, simply because you don't know how to tell the difference...twit. (hook, line, and sinker...). :-) Jim, Do you actually believe that you are impressing people by pursuing this grudge against me? And by acting out with the intelligence level of a twelve-year-old? I mean, you could stand to learn a little some- thing from the events of the last couple of days. People here on this forum like Nablus, ferchissakes, preferred believing that sandiego108 wasn't you to believing that you -- Jim Flanegin -- had sunk so low in both your language and your thinking. Ask for a show of hands, Jim. After this latest meltdown, ask whether there is even ONE person on this forum who believes your claims of being enlightened.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Something in me just snapped, but very quietly. I walked over to the red-faced, near-apoplectic ass- hole and took him by the perfectly-pressed collar of his perfectly-pressed shirt (mussing his perfect tie), and dragged him over to the edge of the trail that we were walking along and leaned him out over the edge. He looked down...WAY down, several hundred meters, to where he might easily wind up if he didn't pay attention. He paid attention. I don't believe you-- this sounds like a made up fantasy of yours, child. Of course I didn't really DO what I said I did. --Barry Wright, 1/23/08
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
He was a jolly guy who I hadn't thought of in years. RIP indeed Scotty.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jymbonic Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:03 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard He was a jolly guy who I hadn't thought of in years. RIP indeed Scotty. The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purusha they shouldn’t exercise because “Exercise isn’t part of our tradition.” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purusha they shouldn't exercise because Exercise isn't part of our tradition. That would be ironic only if the type of cardiovascular disease he had would have been prevented or remedied by exercise during the time he was in Purusha.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purusha they shouldn't exercise because Exercise isn't part of our tradition. That would be ironic only if the type of cardiovascular disease he had would have been prevented or remedied by exercise during the time he was in Purusha. ** http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap1f.html The cave was ideal for Tat Wale Baba. It had only a tiny opening which was barely visible from the passing trail. If the opening was sealed from within by a rock the cave was secluded completely. The cave was also conveniently located near a fresh water spring. And, its location of about one kilometer from Swargashram made it easy for Tat Wale Baba to go there to obtain his food supply. However, after some time, Tat Wale Baba felt that the daily trips to the ashram for food were too disturbing for him. So, he decided to forage for food in the ambient forest where he found kandamulo leaves and roots, and fruits to sustain him. He foraged for food only occasionally, gathering a sufficient supply to last him for several days at a time. He ate sparingly during these secluded periods of long silence. Tat Wale Baba's regular schedule of meditating was from 2:00 a.m. until 10:00 a.m. From 10:00 a.m. until noon he would eat and rest. Then, from noon until 4:00 p.m. he would again meditate. He would exercise for about two hours, until 6:00 p.m. For exercise he usually took long walks of about ten kilometers, collected firewood, and worked hard at expanding the dimensions of his cave. He only did a few asanas (yoga postures). Instead, he preferred to meditate. * Most people on this list have heard MMY talk about how Guru Dev used to hand MMY a note, saying it was urgent that it be delivered quickly to a monk at some other ashram. MMY would run to deliver the note, and only found out much later that the note read something like I'm fine, how are you. Please tell the messenger to return your reply quickly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jymbonic Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:03 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard He was a jolly guy who I hadn't thought of in years. RIP indeed Scotty. The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purusha they shouldn't exercise because Exercise isn't part of our tradition. To wit. ...and what have I been telling you people about doing the TM Program properly? It's the TM Technique twice a day and then YOUR tradition the rest of the day, not some Hindu monk's tradition. It's a wonder this Scot lasted as long as he did. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purusha they shouldn't exercise because Exercise isn't part of our tradition. That would be ironic only if the type of cardiovascular disease he had would have been prevented or remedied by exercise during the time he was in Purusha. Pray tell, Doctor Stein, are you saying that there are instances in which exercise is NOT a good thing?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 11:38 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purusha they shouldn't exercise because Exercise isn't part of our tradition. That would be ironic only if the type of cardiovascular disease he had would have been prevented or remedied by exercise during the time he was in Purusha. Pray tell, Doctor Stein, are you saying that there are instances in which exercise is NOT a good thing? I was going to make a similar comment. I’m no medical expert, but I can’t imagine a cardiologist telling anyone that exercise wouldn’t benefit them, unless they were so ill that the slightest exertion might kill them. I’ve seen people in their 90’s who had gotten proper exercise all their lives and could still run, ski, etc. Maharishi, who has been sedentary, has been bound to a wheelchair for several years. If non-exercise is part of his tradition, then the tradition is deficient. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 1/26/2008 3:45 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: RIP Scott Girard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip The irony is that he died of cardiovascular disease, yet recently Maharishi told Purusha they shouldn't exercise because Exercise isn't part of our tradition. That would be ironic only if the type of cardiovascular disease he had would have been prevented or remedied by exercise during the time he was in Purusha. ** Exercise may not be a critical factor in preventing heart disease, which is probably due to diet factors: http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/140/12/1007 Conclusions: Aerobic physical exercise did not attenuate progression of atherosclerosis, except in a subgroup of men not taking statins.
