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Hey Michael, Most of what I know about the school comes from the annual publication I get listing achievements and donors about and to MUM.. (and yes, I am listed as making a small donation) But as I understand it Craig Pearson is the administrative head of the school. Now, whether he takes his orders from the Rajas, or Bevan, or if is able to work independently, I don't know. I do happen to know someone higher up in the school administration and talk to him very infrequently. But the impression I get is that those administrators handle to day to day running, without a lot of direct oversight or interference from the rajas. Of course, in the same publication, they also list the trustees of the university. They are many, and very few (if any) are rajas, IIRC. So, that may offer a different perspective than the one you are offering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : an offshoot? What are you smoking? Let's see - the leader of the Movement, King-Pin Tony CALLS himself not only a king but the BIG king, he wears robes and a big ass gold crown - all the other leaders including Bevan are all robe and crown wearers - these asses RUN the Movement - if the rajas aren't in charge who is? The fact that you can't accept these guys have become the face of the new Movement is indicative of just how deep your denial runs. On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 10:12 PM I think it's called the World Wide Web. The Rajas are just a weird offshoot of the main organization. I'm not sure what direct connection the Rajas have to academic life. As for due diligence during the time you were involved in the organization and people looking at it now, it's sort of like indicting the Collective Papers for being so low on Amazon's Book list compared to the guy's book that just came out about the murder of his fellow MUM student. A lot has changed in thirty years. The world just doesn't turn exactly the way you want it to Michael. You have to get used to that fact. Despite your earnest efforts to defeat the organization in every way you can, you may end up being frustrated. But I'm sure you'll stay at it. It appears to be quite a preoccupation for you. And really, if truth be told, it seems to have come on heels of your other failed spiritual ventures. Perhaps all that frustration got all balled up, and this is now the result. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. And if it's really as bad as the blogger claims, wouldn't he have noticed the trailer park etc. when he first arrived. Plenty of time to get money back or not enroll at all. I doubt that the blog is telling his part in all this. The students at MUM now are very different than the students who were at MIU in 1975. Back then many were TM teachers and or had already been meditating for a few years. Californians! Nowadays they're into David Lynch or sustainable living or organic food or some combo or these (-: As for me, I'm no longer on the inside and haven't been for almost 12 years, 7 of which I didn't even go to the Dome. Plus I have constant contact with my non meditating family so I'm aware of how it all looks to non meditators. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:37 PM, salyavin808 no_re
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Well, if there were a disagreement between Big Bopper Bevan and Craig Pearson about some aspect of MUM's running, who do you think would win the argument? On Mon, 4/21/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 10:26 AM Hey Michael, Most of what I know about the school comes from the annual publication I get listing achievements and donors about and to MUM.. (and yes, I am listed as making a small donation) But as I understand it Craig Pearson is the administrative head of the school. Now, whether he takes his orders from the Rajas, or Bevan, or if is able to work independently, I don't know. I do happen to know someone higher up in the school administration and talk to him very infrequently. But the impression I get is that those administrators handle to day to day running, without a lot of direct oversight or interference from the rajas. Of course, in the same publication, they also list the trustees of the university. They are many, and very few (if any) are rajas, IIRC. So, that may offer a different perspective than the one you are offering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : an offshoot? What are you smoking? Let's see - the leader of the Movement, King-Pin Tony CALLS himself not only a king but the BIG king, he wears robes and a big ass gold crown - all the other leaders including Bevan are all robe and crown wearers - these asses RUN the Movement - if the rajas aren't in charge who is? The fact that you can't accept these guys have become the face of the new Movement is indicative of just how deep your denial runs. On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 10:12 PM I think it's called the World Wide Web. The Rajas are just a weird offshoot of the main organization. I'm not sure what direct connection the Rajas have to academic life. As for due diligence during the time you were involved in the organization and people looking at it now, it's sort of like indicting the Collective Papers for being so low on Amazon's Book list compared to the guy's book that just came out about the murder of his fellow MUM student. A lot has changed in thirty years. The world just doesn't turn exactly the way you want it to Michael. You have to get used to that fact. Despite your earnest efforts to defeat the organization in every way you can, you may end up being frustrated. But I'm sure you'll stay at it. It appears to be quite a preoccupation for you. And really, if truth be told, it seems to have come on heels of your other failed spiritual ventures. Perhaps all that frustration got all balled up, and this is now the result. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. And if it's really as bad as the blogger claims, wouldn't he have noticed the trailer park etc. when he first arrived. Plenty of time to get money back or not enroll at all. I doubt that the blog is telling his part in all
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Michael, am I understanding you correctly: you worked for the TMO sometimes from 1974 to 85? What do you mean when you say that that's when your real TM education began? On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:45 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Yep, I had been doing TM from 1974 - 1985 and had worked at various TM facilities in North and South Carolina off and on during that time, including working for the governors who taught the sidhi prep courses in the Carolinas - that was when my real TM education began. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 1:16 AM Michael, you said the blogger was married, had been in the Navy, etc. So I assumed he was an older, worldly-wise person not a naive, young man. I think it's just human nature that all organizations, in fact all people, put their best foot forward when first entering into a relationship. I'm not sure what your mean when you say that you had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before you came to MIU. Do you mean you had been doing TM, going to the center now and then? I had only been doing TM for 6 months when I first came to MIU! All those Californians (-: On Sunday, April 20, 2014 4:43 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. And if it's really as bad as the blogger claims, wouldn't he have noticed the trailer park etc. when he first arrived. Plenty of time to get money back or not enroll at all. I doubt that the blog is telling his part in all this. The students at MUM now are very different than the students who were at MIU in 1975. Back then many were TM teachers and or had already been meditating for a few years. Californians! Nowadays they're into David Lynch or sustainable living or organic food or some combo or these (-: As for me, I'm no longer on the inside and haven't been for almost 12 years, 7 of which I didn't even go to the Dome. Plus I have constant contact with my non meditating family so I'm aware of how it all looks to non meditators. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:37 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well salyavin, in all my years here, we've only had one earthquake and it's epicenter was over in Illinois across the Mighty Mississip, a river which supposedly has a fault line running down it. I'll have to ask some vastu dwellers about the homeowners insurance. PS btw, speaking of good questions, I think mine is a good question too: if this blogger is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! As I said, he probably has his money invested in it, be hard to change to another one without losing any downpayments or even just getting on another course at this stage without starting again. Maybe he's got a lot of anger at finding out that he joined a utopianist cult without realising it? I've never been to FF or MUM but I know how the movement works and let's face it, the TMO is more than a bit weird. You may not think so as you are on the inside but the TM worldview is unusual and takes some getting used to for anyone. If you steadfastly refuse to adopt it then you will be unhappy. Is it possible to just go to MUM and not notice what everyone else believes?
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Om, hands down Bevan is the most powerful person in it. He cuts through the whole organizational flowchart. Strategically for the good of the succession of the place it would be nice to have Bevan go President Emeritus of the university now and give the job of President for someone else to use and do, like Craig Pearson. The MUM board of Trustee should act on this with some spine. Let Craig Pearson be President for a while, he is so prepared. That would be a timely and a good transition to make now. -Buck mjackson74 writes: Well, if there were a disagreement between Big Bopper Bevan and Craig Pearson about some aspect of MUM's running, who do you think would win the argument? On Mon, 4/21/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 10:26 AM Hey Michael, Most of what I know about the school comes from the annual publication I get listing achievements and donors about and to MUM.. (and yes, I am listed as making a small donation) But as I understand it Craig Pearson is the administrative head of the school. Now, whether he takes his orders from the Rajas, or Bevan, or if is able to work independently, I don't know. I do happen to know someone higher up in the school administration and talk to him very infrequently. But the impression I get is that those administrators handle to day to day running, without a lot of direct oversight or interference from the rajas. Of course, in the same publication, they also list the trustees of the university. They are many, and very few (if any) are rajas, IIRC. So, that may offer a different perspective than the one you are offering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : an offshoot? What are you smoking? Let's see - the leader of the Movement, King-Pin Tony CALLS himself not only a king but the BIG king, he wears robes and a big ass gold crown - all the other leaders including Bevan are all robe and crown wearers - these asses RUN the Movement - if the rajas aren't in charge who is? The fact that you can't accept these guys have become the face of the new Movement is indicative of just how deep your denial runs. On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 10:12 PM I think it's called the World Wide Web. The Rajas are just a weird offshoot of the main organization. I'm not sure what direct connection the Rajas have to academic life. As for due diligence during the time you were involved in the organization and people looking at it now, it's sort of like indicting the Collective Papers for being so low on Amazon's Book list compared to the guy's book that just came out about the murder of his fellow MUM student. A lot has changed in thirty years. The world just doesn't turn exactly the way you want it to Michael. You have to get used to that fact. Despite your earnest efforts to defeat the organization in every way you can, you may end up being frustrated. But I'm sure you'll stay at it. It appears to be quite a preoccupation for you. And really, if truth be told, it seems to have come on heels of your other failed spiritual ventures. Perhaps all that frustration got all balled up, and this is now the result. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however
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I mean that although I saw and experienced a certain disconnect between what the TMO said was reality and what it actually delivered such as the assertion that TM makes you more efficient, more dynamic (remember the excellence in action blurb?) and the actual experience of dealing with the sloth, inefficiency and ineptitude of people who ran the Movement facilities I was still a starry eyed dreamer who one day hoped all the hype would come true. When I began to work for the Governor team who taught the Sidhi Prep courses - Greg Palma, Walter Gibbons, Paul Potter (who is today a raja) and the original team member Ed Hipp who was replaced by Brett Hendricks (cuz Ed was unstressing so bad he was told not to even teach TM much less sidhi preps) I saw up close and personal the unethical hypocritical behavior on the part of the people who purported to be bringing the world to enlightenment. Paul was not a bad guy, in fact he was real nice, but utterly ineffective at anything involving the real world - nice guy, good flute player, quite good graphic artist, but forget his even driving a car without breaking ten laws a minute and scaring the crap out of all his passengers. The other gov's on his team NEVER allowed him to drive anywhere unless he was by himself. Greg and Walter were a different order of asses. I started to see what the TMO was really all about through their behavior which I encountered to a greater degree with people like Chris Crowell and his ilk at MIU. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 11:44 AM Michael, am I understanding you correctly: you worked for the TMO sometimes from 1974 to 85? What do you mean when you say that that's when your real TM education began? On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:45 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Yep, I had been doing TM from 1974 - 1985 and had worked at various TM facilities in North and South Carolina off and on during that time, including working for the governors who taught the sidhi prep courses in the Carolinas - that was when my real TM education began. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 1:16 AM Michael, you said the blogger was married, had been in the Navy, etc. So I assumed he was an older, worldly-wise person not a naive, young man. I think it's just human nature that all organizations, in fact all people, put their best foot forward when first entering into a relationship. I'm not sure what your mean when you say that you had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before you came to MIU. Do you mean you had been doing TM, going to the center now and then? I had only been doing TM for 6 months when I first came to MIU! All those Californians (-: On Sunday, April 20, 2014 4:43 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM
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Michael, if you had already begun to have serious doubts about TM, etc. why did you then come to MIU?! On Monday, April 21, 2014 8:32 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: I mean that although I saw and experienced a certain disconnect between what the TMO said was reality and what it actually delivered such as the assertion that TM makes you more efficient, more dynamic (remember the excellence in action blurb?) and the actual experience of dealing with the sloth, inefficiency and ineptitude of people who ran the Movement facilities I was still a starry eyed dreamer who one day hoped all the hype would come true. When I began to work for the Governor team who taught the Sidhi Prep courses - Greg Palma, Walter Gibbons, Paul Potter (who is today a raja) and the original team member Ed Hipp who was replaced by Brett Hendricks (cuz Ed was unstressing so bad he was told not to even teach TM much less sidhi preps) I saw up close and personal the unethical hypocritical behavior on the part of the people who purported to be bringing the world to enlightenment. Paul was not a bad guy, in fact he was real nice, but utterly ineffective at anything involving the real world - nice guy, good flute player, quite good graphic artist, but forget his even driving a car without breaking ten laws a minute and scaring the crap out of all his passengers. The other gov's on his team NEVER allowed him to drive anywhere unless he was by himself. Greg and Walter were a different order of asses. I started to see what the TMO was really all about through their behavior which I encountered to a greater degree with people like Chris Crowell and his ilk at MIU. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 11:44 AM Michael, am I understanding you correctly: you worked for the TMO sometimes from 1974 to 85? What do you mean when you say that that's when your real TM education began? On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:45 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Yep, I had been doing TM from 1974 - 1985 and had worked at various TM facilities in North and South Carolina off and on during that time, including working for the governors who taught the sidhi prep courses in the Carolinas - that was when my real TM education began. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 1:16 AM Michael, you said the blogger was married, had been in the Navy, etc. So I assumed he was an older, worldly-wise person not a naive, young man. I think it's just human nature that all organizations, in fact all people, put their best foot forward when first entering into a relationship. I'm not sure what your mean when you say that you had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before you came to MIU. Do you mean you had been doing TM, going to the center now and then? I had only been doing TM for 6 months when I first came to MIU! All those Californians (-: On Sunday, April 20, 2014 4:43 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. And if it's really as bad as the blogger claims, wouldn't he have noticed the trailer park etc. when he first arrived. Plenty of time to get money back or not enroll at all. I doubt that the blog is telling his part in all this. The students at MUM now are very different than
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I didn't have SERIOUS doubts at that time - I just chalked the governors behavior to what seemed to be an increasing preponderance of jerks in the TMO On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 2:33 PM Michael, if you had already begun to have serious doubts about TM, etc. why did you then come to MIU?! On Monday, April 21, 2014 8:32 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: I mean that although I saw and experienced a certain disconnect between what the TMO said was reality and what it actually delivered such as the assertion that TM makes you more efficient, more dynamic (remember the excellence in action blurb?) and the actual experience of dealing with the sloth, inefficiency and ineptitude of people who ran the Movement facilities I was still a starry eyed dreamer who one day hoped all the hype would come true. When I began to work for the Governor team who taught the Sidhi Prep courses - Greg Palma, Walter Gibbons, Paul Potter (who is today a raja) and the original team member Ed Hipp who was replaced by Brett Hendricks (cuz Ed was unstressing so bad he was told not to even teach TM much less sidhi preps) I saw up close and personal the unethical hypocritical behavior on the part of the people who purported to be bringing the world to enlightenment. Paul was not a bad guy, in fact he was real nice, but utterly ineffective at anything involving the real world - nice guy, good flute player, quite good graphic artist, but forget his even driving a car without breaking ten laws a minute and scaring the crap out of all his passengers. The other gov's on his team NEVER allowed him to drive anywhere unless he was by himself. Greg and Walter were a different order of asses. I started to see what the TMO was really all about through their behavior which I encountered to a greater degree with people like Chris Crowell and his ilk at MIU. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 11:44 AM Michael, am I understanding you correctly: you worked for the TMO sometimes from 1974 to 85? What do you mean when you say that that's when your real TM education began? On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:45 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Yep, I had been doing TM from 1974 - 1985 and had worked at various TM facilities in North and South Carolina off and on during that time, including working for the governors who taught the sidhi prep courses in the Carolinas - that was when my real TM education began. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 1:16 AM Michael, you said the blogger was married, had been in the Navy, etc. So I assumed he was an older, worldly-wise person not a naive, young man. I think it's just human nature that all organizations, in fact all people, put their best foot forward when first entering into a relationship. I'm not sure what your mean when you say that you had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before you came to MIU. Do you mean you had been doing TM, going to the center now and then? I had only been doing TM for 6 months when I first came to MIU! All those Californians (-: On Sunday, April 20, 2014 4:43 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote
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On 4/21/2014 10:40 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I didn't have SERIOUS doubts at that time - I just chalked the governors behavior to what seemed to be an increasing preponderance of jerks in the TMO So, you practiced TM and TMSP for ten years before you got to MIU - and they didn't like you, or you them, so you quit. But, you're still talking about it twenty years later? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Objection your honor. Answer calls for speculation from the witness. Sustained. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Well, if there were a disagreement between Big Bopper Bevan and Craig Pearson about some aspect of MUM's running, who do you think would win the argument? On Mon, 4/21/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 10:26 AM Hey Michael, Most of what I know about the school comes from the annual publication I get listing achievements and donors about and to MUM.. (and yes, I am listed as making a small donation) But as I understand it Craig Pearson is the administrative head of the school. Now, whether he takes his orders from the Rajas, or Bevan, or if is able to work independently, I don't know. I do happen to know someone higher up in the school administration and talk to him very infrequently. But the impression I get is that those administrators handle to day to day running, without a lot of direct oversight or interference from the rajas. Of course, in the same publication, they also list the trustees of the university. They are many, and very few (if any) are rajas, IIRC. So, that may offer a different perspective than the one you are offering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : an offshoot? What are you smoking? Let's see - the leader of the Movement, King-Pin Tony CALLS himself not only a king but the BIG king, he wears robes and a big ass gold crown - all the other leaders including Bevan are all robe and crown wearers - these asses RUN the Movement - if the rajas aren't in charge who is? The fact that you can't accept these guys have become the face of the new Movement is indicative of just how deep your denial runs. On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 10:12 PM I think it's called the World Wide Web. The Rajas are just a weird offshoot of the main organization. I'm not sure what direct connection the Rajas have to academic life. As for due diligence during the time you were involved in the organization and people looking at it now, it's sort of like indicting the Collective Papers for being so low on Amazon's Book list compared to the guy's book that just came out about the murder of his fellow MUM student. A lot has changed in thirty years. The world just doesn't turn exactly the way you want it to Michael. You have to get used to that fact. Despite your earnest efforts to defeat the organization in every way you can, you may end up being frustrated. But I'm sure you'll stay at it. It appears to be quite a preoccupation for you. And really, if truth be told, it seems to have come on heels of your other failed spiritual ventures. Perhaps all that frustration got all balled up, and this is now the result. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person
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This student's critique is hardly entirely fair. I have a number of friends who live in Utopia Park and love it. Many have lived there for years creating their own real nice domiciles. It works good for some quite by choice. The campus facility is work in progress all the time that takes Time and money in the relative. http://www.mum.edu/masterplan http://www.mum.edu/masterplan What does the kid expect, perfection? Obviously this student is an entitled little shit to come along in to something that he/she has no sense for the culture of. With the vile broadsides the kid lacks any sense of humility with this blogging. Shame on him/her, -Buck in the Dome
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In a similar vein, do people in vastu buildings get insurance for tornadoes or earthquakes? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : E-cellent essay by a current MUM student - those who aren't afraid of the truth, click the link and read on! The photos are quite interesting. http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.html http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.html http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.html MUM Residential Irony http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.html A student of Maharishi University of Management, I’m bothered by a few things associated with the school. View on mumosa.com http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.html Preview by Yahoo
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he is a married Navy veteran On Sun, 4/20/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 2:25 PM This student's critique is hardly entirely fair. I have a number of friends who live in Utopia Park and love it. Many have lived there for years creating their own real nice domiciles. It works good for some quite by choice. The campus facility is work in progress all the time that takes Time and money in the relative. http://www.mum.edu/masterplan What does the kid expect, perfection? Obviously this student is an entitled little shit to come along in to something that he/she has no sense for the culture of. With the vile broadsides the kid lacks any sense of humility with this blogging. Shame on him/her,-Buck in the Dome
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salyavin, this person does NOT present the WHOLE truth! For example, there is vastu housing for both students and faculty on campus. Where are the photos of that?! And where are the photos of the beautiful parts of campus? And Buck is right about Utopia Park. Some people have enjoyed living there and have done so for decades. The trees are quite mature now and people plant both flower and food gardens. If this person is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! It doesn't make any sense to me. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:45 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: In a similar vein, do people in vastu buildings get insurance for tornadoes or earthquakes? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : E-cellent essay by a current MUM student - those who aren't afraid of the truth, click the link and read on! The photos are quite interesting. http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.html MUM Residential Irony A student of Maharishi University of Management, I’m bothered by a few things associated with the school. View on mumosa.com Preview by Yahoo
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Then Double shame on him, he is old enough to know better.. . Make waves, but make waves when they can help, or he is just cranky by nature and just makes waves and troubles for others regardless. http://www.mum.edu/master-plan/purpose http://www.mum.edu/master-plan/purpose -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : he is a married Navy veteran Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 2:25 PM This student's critique is hardly entirely fair. I have a number of friends who live in Utopia Park and love it. Many have lived there for years creating their own real nice domiciles. It works good for some quite by choice. The campus facility is work in progress all the time that takes Time and money in the relative. http://www.mum.edu/masterplan http://www.mum.edu/masterplan What does the kid expect, perfection? Obviously this student is an entitled little shit to come along in to something that he/she has no sense for the culture of. With the vile broadsides the kid lacks any sense of humility with this blogging. Shame on him/her,-Buck in the Dome
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, this person does NOT present the WHOLE truth! I guessed that. The question is a good one though; do people in vastu buildings get insurance for tornadoes and earthquakes? For example, there is vastu housing for both students and faculty on campus. Where are the photos of that?! And where are the photos of the beautiful parts of campus? And Buck is right about Utopia Park. Some people have enjoyed living there and have done so for decades. The trees are quite mature now and people plant both flower and food gardens. If this person is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! It doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe he's angry that he threw his money into it thinking he was getting a top degree and has found himself somewhere he wouldn't have gone had he known the sort of group he was getting involved with?
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What did you expect, a balanced individual when he's an acquaintance of the MJ ? :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Then Double shame on him, he is old enough to know better.. . Make waves, but make waves when they can help, or he is just cranky by nature and just makes waves and troubles for others regardless. http://www.mum.edu/master-plan/purpose http://www.mum.edu/master-plan/purpose -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : he is a married Navy veteran Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 2:25 PM This student's critique is hardly entirely fair. I have a number of friends who live in Utopia Park and love it. Many have lived there for years creating their own real nice domiciles. It works good for some quite by choice. The campus facility is work in progress all the time that takes Time and money in the relative. http://www.mum.edu/masterplan http://www.mum.edu/masterplan What does the kid expect, perfection? Obviously this student is an entitled little shit to come along in to something that he/she has no sense for the culture of. With the vile broadsides the kid lacks any sense of humility with this blogging. Shame on him/her,-Buck in the Dome
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Well salyavin, in all my years here, we've only had one earthquake and it's epicenter was over in Illinois across the Mighty Mississip, a river which supposedly has a fault line running down it. I'll have to ask some vastu dwellers about the homeowners insurance. PS btw, speaking of good questions, I think mine is a good question too: if this blogger is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! On Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:03 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, this person does NOT present the WHOLE truth! I guessed that. The question is a good one though; do people in vastu buildings get insurance for tornadoes and earthquakes? For example, there is vastu housing for both students and faculty on campus. Where are the photos of that?! And where are the photos of the beautiful parts of campus? And Buck is right about Utopia Park. Some people have enjoyed living there and have done so for decades. The trees are quite mature now and people plant both flower and food gardens. If this person is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! It doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe he's angry that he threw his money into it thinking he was getting a top degree and has found himself somewhere he wouldn't have gone had he known the sort of group he was getting involved with?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well salyavin, in all my years here, we've only had one earthquake and it's epicenter was over in Illinois across the Mighty Mississip, a river which supposedly has a fault line running down it. I'll have to ask some vastu dwellers about the homeowners insurance. PS btw, speaking of good questions, I think mine is a good question too: if this blogger is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! On Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:03 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, this person does NOT present the WHOLE truth! I guessed that. The question is a good one though; do people in vastu buildings get insurance for tornadoes and earthquakes? For example, there is vastu housing for both students and faculty on campus. Where are the photos of that?! And where are the photos of the beautiful parts of campus? And Buck is right about Utopia Park. Some people have enjoyed living there and have done so for decades. The trees are quite mature now and people plant both flower and food gardens. If this person is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! It doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe he's angry that he threw his money into it thinking he was getting a top degree and has found himself somewhere he wouldn't have gone had he known the sort of group he was getting involved with? Perhaps if the double wide trailer park they so ironically named Utopia Park was called something less flamboyant it wouldn't look quite so much like a slum. Perhaps if it was named Ditchdiggers Row or something it might appear more habitable.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : This student's critique is hardly entirely fair. I have a number of friends who live in Utopia Park and love it. Many have lived there for years creating their own real nice domiciles. It works good for some quite by choice. The campus facility is work in progress all the time that takes Time and money in the relative. http://www.mum.edu/masterplan http://www.mum.edu/masterplan What does the kid expect, perfection? Obviously this student is an entitled little shit to come along in to something that he/she has no sense for the culture of. With the vile broadsides the kid lacks any sense of humility with this blogging. Shame on him/her, Buck in the Dome Naw, it's fine. Blogging is blogging - just one person's subjective take on a topic. I think the picture of the yard was a stretch. After all, it simply resembles any municipal type yard that contains broken vehicles, recycling, yard waste etc. Big deal. And I think it's great that the pandits get a decent place to live, albeit rather institutional and lifeless looking from the exterior. Who says they should have inferior quarters to the students? But the double wides at, laughably, Utopia Park aren't too swift but what it implies I am not exactly sure. I'd like to see the other student residences and understand why and how different students rate different residences. Perhaps you could enlighten us on that.
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Well, at least it makes it easy to see why you regard anyone who disagrees with you a cult apologist. It looks like the only reason you view this as an excellent essay is because it trashes something you don't like. Sort of like what Judy was discussing earlier. There is no issue of fairness or unfairness. No issue of whether there might be another side to it. It trashes something you like to see trashed so therefore it is excellent, and anyone with a dissenting opinion is afraid of the truth Damn you've covered all the bases today Michael! but can you imagine if you were on the other side of something like this in real life? then I suppose it would be a different story. But on an internet forum, hey, no need to even attempt something approaching a balanced approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : E-cellent essay by a current MUM student - those who aren't afraid of the truth, click the link and read on! The photos are quite interesting. http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.html http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.html http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.html MUM Residential Irony http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.html A student of Maharishi University of Management, I’m bothered by a few things associated with the school. View on mumosa.com http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.html Preview by Yahoo
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according to the article, the folks who are TM TB'ers don't believe a tornado will ever hit Fairfield - and if it does, its because of low Dome numbers - that part's not in the post, but you know that's what they'd say. On Sun, 4/20/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 2:45 PM In a similar vein, do people in vastu buildings get insurance for tornadoes or earthquakes? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : E-cellent essay by a current MUM student - those who aren't afraid of the truth, click the link and read on! The photos are quite interesting. http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.htmlMUM Residential IronyA student of Maharishi University of Management, I’m bothered by a few things associated with the school.View on mumosa.comPreview by Yahoo
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as usual, your mind works on the same inept and fractured level that WillyTex's mind works on. I am not this man's acquaintance, I have merely read his blog - if you don't like what he's saying, tell him so - the blog is available to anyone with a computer and an internet connection. On Sun, 4/20/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 3:05 PM What did you expect, a balanced individual when he's an acquaintance of the MJ ? :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Then Double shame on him, he is old enough to know better.. .Make waves, but make waves when they can help,or he is just cranky by nature and just makes wavesand troubles for others regardless. http://www.mum.edu/master-plan/purpose-Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : he is a married Navy veteran Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 2:25 PM This student's critique is hardly entirely fair. I have a number of friends who live in Utopia Park and love it. Many have lived there for years creating their own real nice domiciles. It works good for some quite by choice. The campus facility is work in progress all the time that takes Time and money in the relative. http://www.mum.edu/masterplan What does the kid expect, perfection? Obviously this student is an entitled little shit to come along in to something that he/she has no sense for the culture of. With the vile broadsides the kid lacks any sense of humility with this blogging. Shame on him/her,-Buck in the Dome
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Go to his blog and ask him. It's mumosa.com On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 3:07 PM Well salyavin, in all my years here, we've only had one earthquake and it's epicenter was over in Illinois across the Mighty Mississip, a river which supposedly has a fault line running down it. I'll have to ask some vastu dwellers about the homeowners insurance. PS btw, speaking of good questions, I think mine is a good question too: if this blogger is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! On Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:03 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, this person does NOT present the WHOLE truth! I guessed that. The question is a good one though; do people in vastu buildings get insurance for tornadoes and earthquakes? For example, there is vastu housing for both students and faculty on campus. Where are the photos of that?! And where are the photos of the beautiful parts of campus? And Buck is right about Utopia Park. Some people have enjoyed living there and have done so for decades. The trees are quite mature now and people plant both flower and food gardens. If this person is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! It doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe he's angry that he threw his money into it thinking he was getting a top degree and has found himself somewhere he wouldn't have gone had he known the sort of group he was getting involved with?
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Now that WOULD be an excellent idea, thanks for suggesting that! On Sun, 4/20/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 3:27 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : This student's critique is hardly entirely fair. I have a number of friends who live in Utopia Park and love it. Many have lived there for years creating their own real nice domiciles. It works good for some quite by choice. The campus facility is work in progress all the time that takes Time and money in the relative. http://www.mum.edu/masterplan What does the kid expect, perfection? Obviously this student is an entitled little shit to come along in to something that he/she has no sense for the culture of. With the vile broadsides the kid lacks any sense of humility with this blogging. Shame on him/her,Buck in the DomeNaw, it's fine. Blogging is blogging - just one person's subjective take on a topic. I think the picture of the yard was a stretch. After all, it simply resembles any municipal type yard that contains broken vehicles, recycling, yard waste etc. Big deal. And I think it's great that the pandits get a decent place to live, albeit rather institutional and lifeless looking from the exterior. Who says they should have inferior quarters to the students? But the double wides at, laughably, Utopia Park aren't too swift but what it implies I am not exactly sure. I'd like to see the other student residences and understand why and how different students rate different residences. Perhaps you could enlighten us on that.
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hey, I lived there when they had the pods - I bet I would have loved one-a those double wides in those days. I do like the juxtaposition of the pundits living quarters that look like the photos of the old Nazi stalags next to the Utopia Park - and the man raises some fair points, which you who are still seemingly attempting to find a reason to find something wonderful is happening in the TM world don't much like. If you find my posts so unpleasant why read 'em? On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 5:13 PM Well, at least it makes it easy to see why you regard anyone who disagrees with you a cult apologist. It looks like the only reason you view this as an excellent essay is because it trashes something you don't like. Sort of like what Judy was discussing earlier. There is no issue of fairness or unfairness. No issue of whether there might be another side to it. It trashes something you like to see trashed so therefore it is excellent, and anyone with a dissenting opinion is afraid of the truth Damn you've covered all the bases today Michael! but can you imagine if you were on the other side of something like this in real life? then I suppose it would be a different story. But on an internet forum, hey, no need to even attempt something approaching a balanced approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : E-cellent essay by a current MUM student - those who aren't afraid of the truth, click the link and read on! The photos are quite interesting. http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.htmlMUM Residential IronyA student of Maharishi University of Management, I’m bothered by a few things associated with the school.View on mumosa.comPreview by Yahoo
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well salyavin, in all my years here, we've only had one earthquake and it's epicenter was over in Illinois across the Mighty Mississip, a river which supposedly has a fault line running down it. I'll have to ask some vastu dwellers about the homeowners insurance. PS btw, speaking of good questions, I think mine is a good question too: if this blogger is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! As I said, he probably has his money invested in it, be hard to change to another one without losing any downpayments or even just getting on another course at this stage without starting again. Maybe he's got a lot of anger at finding out that he joined a utopianist cult without realising it? I've never been to FF or MUM but I know how the movement works and let's face it, the TMO is more than a bit weird. You may not think so as you are on the inside but the TM worldview is unusual and takes some getting used to for anyone. If you steadfastly refuse to adopt it then you will be unhappy. Is it possible to just go to MUM and not notice what everyone else believes?
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Michael, the issue is not whether or not to read your posts. That is what they call a red herring. And you're tactic of labeling everyone with whom you disagree as a cult apologist has, frankly, gotten a little old. The issue is whether or not you feel some obligation to take a look at what you post and see if it has merit, or how much merit it might have. Does that make sense to you? I say that because the piece you posted from the student about Utopia Park and the Pundit housing would come across to most any reader, either in or out of the TMO as quite biased. At least, that's how I see it. On the other hand, maybe that matters not to you. As long as it's anti TM, it's got to be good. Like Smucker's Jam. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : hey, I lived there when they had the pods - I bet I would have loved one-a those double wides in those days. I do like the juxtaposition of the pundits living quarters that look like the photos of the old Nazi stalags next to the Utopia Park - and the man raises some fair points, which you who are still seemingly attempting to find a reason to find something wonderful is happening in the TM world don't much like. If you find my posts so unpleasant why read 'em? On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 5:13 PM Well, at least it makes it easy to see why you regard anyone who disagrees with you a cult apologist. It looks like the only reason you view this as an excellent essay is because it trashes something you don't like. Sort of like what Judy was discussing earlier. There is no issue of fairness or unfairness. No issue of whether there might be another side to it. It trashes something you like to see trashed so therefore it is excellent, and anyone with a dissenting opinion is afraid of the truth Damn you've covered all the bases today Michael! but can you imagine if you were on the other side of something like this in real life? then I suppose it would be a different story. But on an internet forum, hey, no need to even attempt something approaching a balanced approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : E-cellent essay by a current MUM student - those who aren't afraid of the truth, click the link and read on! The photos are quite interesting. http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.htmlMUM http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.htmlMUM Residential IronyA student of Maharishi University of Management, I’m bothered by a few things associated with the school.View on mumosa.comPreview by Yahoo
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salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. And if it's really as bad as the blogger claims, wouldn't he have noticed the trailer park etc. when he first arrived. Plenty of time to get money back or not enroll at all. I doubt that the blog is telling his part in all this. The students at MUM now are very different than the students who were at MIU in 1975. Back then many were TM teachers and or had already been meditating for a few years. Californians! Nowadays they're into David Lynch or sustainable living or organic food or some combo or these (-: As for me, I'm no longer on the inside and haven't been for almost 12 years, 7 of which I didn't even go to the Dome. Plus I have constant contact with my non meditating family so I'm aware of how it all looks to non meditators. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:37 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well salyavin, in all my years here, we've only had one earthquake and it's epicenter was over in Illinois across the Mighty Mississip, a river which supposedly has a fault line running down it. I'll have to ask some vastu dwellers about the homeowners insurance. PS btw, speaking of good questions, I think mine is a good question too: if this blogger is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! As I said, he probably has his money invested in it, be hard to change to another one without losing any downpayments or even just getting on another course at this stage without starting again. Maybe he's got a lot of anger at finding out that he joined a utopianist cult without realising it? I've never been to FF or MUM but I know how the movement works and let's face it, the TMO is more than a bit weird. You may not think so as you are on the inside but the TM worldview is unusual and takes some getting used to for anyone. If you steadfastly refuse to adopt it then you will be unhappy. Is it possible to just go to MUM and not notice what everyone else believes?
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I know the UK has Skelmersdale and the other vastu place whose name escapes me at the moment, but do you not have some institution of higher vastu vedic TM-ish learning like some sort of Marshy University, perchance? On Sun, 4/20/14, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 8:37 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well salyavin, in all my years here, we've only had one earthquake and it's epicenter was over in Illinois across the Mighty Mississip, a river which supposedly has a fault line running down it. I'll have to ask some vastu dwellers about the homeowners insurance. PS btw, speaking of good questions, I think mine is a good question too: if this blogger is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! As I said, he probably has his money invested in it, be hard to change to another one without losing any downpayments or even just getting on another course at this stage without starting again. Maybe he's got a lot of anger at finding out that he joined a utopianist cult without realising it? I've never been to FF or MUM but I know how the movement works and let's face it, the TMO is more than a bit weird. You may not think so as you are on the inside but the TM worldview is unusual and takes some getting used to for anyone. If you steadfastly refuse to adopt it then you will be unhappy. Is it possible to just go to MUM and not notice what everyone else believes?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. Yep, didn't he read the brochure, was my first comment on it. Obviously he didn't. Maybe he assumed US colleges were much of a muchness. Still, think of the stories he'll have to tell his grandchildren.
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Well one could say you are knee jerk reacting, or that you are pot calling kettle black, or one could say you just dislike anything I say since I don't fawn all over Marshy and Company. I mean, do you not see Buck and Nabby's posts as being extrmly biased? Nope, since they love to love all things TM. And I do not, not have I ever labeled everyone who disagrees with me as a cult apologist. Ann disagrees with me from time to time and I don't call her that. I get the very occasional appreciation from Judy for correcting some minor technical mistake I have made, tho most of her posts she comes across like a pack of yapping chihuahuas - frenetically yapping at anything and everything just to hear themselves yapping. Barry has disagreed with me sometimes and I have never called or labeled him a cult apologist. So you are getting tired of something that exists ONLY IN YOUR OWN HEAD. I expect that all the corners of your awareness that harbor still a slavish addiction to Marshy and his bogus teachings get agitated when they read my posts. Again, when you are ready to take on ultimate freedom, just let me know and I will hep you set yourself free. And unlike the TMO, I won't charge you nothin'. Now how do you like that? On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 8:59 PM Michael, the issue is not whether or not to read your posts. That is what they call a red herring. And you're tactic of labeling everyone with whom you disagree as a cult apologist has, frankly, gotten a little old. The issue is whether or not you feel some obligation to take a look at what you post and see if it has merit, or how much merit it might have. Does that make sense to you? I say that because the piece you posted from the student about Utopia Park and the Pundit housing would come across to most any reader, either in or out of the TMO as quite biased. At least, that's how I see it. On the other hand, maybe that matters not to you. As long as it's anti TM, it's got to be good. Like Smucker's Jam. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : hey, I lived there when they had the pods - I bet I would have loved one-a those double wides in those days. I do like the juxtaposition of the pundits living quarters that look like the photos of the old Nazi stalags next to the Utopia Park - and the man raises some fair points, which you who are still seemingly attempting to find a reason to find something wonderful is happening in the TM world don't much like. If you find my posts so unpleasant why read 'em? On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 5:13 PM Well, at least it makes it easy to see why you regard anyone who disagrees with you a cult apologist. It looks like the only reason you view this as an excellent essay is because it trashes something you don't like. Sort of like what Judy was discussing earlier. There is no issue of fairness or unfairness. No issue of whether there might be another side to it. It trashes something you like to see trashed so therefore it is excellent, and anyone with a dissenting opinion is afraid of the truth Damn you've covered all the bases today Michael! but can you imagine if you were on the other side of something like this in real life? then I suppose it would be a different story. But on an internet forum, hey, no need to even attempt something approaching a balanced approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : E-cellent essay by a current MUM student - those who aren't afraid of the truth, click the link and read on! The photos are quite interesting. http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.htmlMUM Residential IronyA student of Maharishi University of Management, I’m bothered by a few things associated with the school.View on mumosa.comPreview by Yahoo
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Oh and it was one of the most ridiculous post you have ever made, this one. Of course I think what I post here has merit, why else would I post? On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 8:59 PM Michael, the issue is not whether or not to read your posts. That is what they call a red herring. And you're tactic of labeling everyone with whom you disagree as a cult apologist has, frankly, gotten a little old. The issue is whether or not you feel some obligation to take a look at what you post and see if it has merit, or how much merit it might have. Does that make sense to you? I say that because the piece you posted from the student about Utopia Park and the Pundit housing would come across to most any reader, either in or out of the TMO as quite biased. At least, that's how I see it. On the other hand, maybe that matters not to you. As long as it's anti TM, it's got to be good. Like Smucker's Jam. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : hey, I lived there when they had the pods - I bet I would have loved one-a those double wides in those days. I do like the juxtaposition of the pundits living quarters that look like the photos of the old Nazi stalags next to the Utopia Park - and the man raises some fair points, which you who are still seemingly attempting to find a reason to find something wonderful is happening in the TM world don't much like. If you find my posts so unpleasant why read 'em? On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 5:13 PM Well, at least it makes it easy to see why you regard anyone who disagrees with you a cult apologist. It looks like the only reason you view this as an excellent essay is because it trashes something you don't like. Sort of like what Judy was discussing earlier. There is no issue of fairness or unfairness. No issue of whether there might be another side to it. It trashes something you like to see trashed so therefore it is excellent, and anyone with a dissenting opinion is afraid of the truth Damn you've covered all the bases today Michael! but can you imagine if you were on the other side of something like this in real life? then I suppose it would be a different story. But on an internet forum, hey, no need to even attempt something approaching a balanced approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : E-cellent essay by a current MUM student - those who aren't afraid of the truth, click the link and read on! The photos are quite interesting. http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.htmlMUM Residential IronyA student of Maharishi University of Management, I’m bothered by a few things associated with the school.View on mumosa.comPreview by Yahoo
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You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. And if it's really as bad as the blogger claims, wouldn't he have noticed the trailer park etc. when he first arrived. Plenty of time to get money back or not enroll at all. I doubt that the blog is telling his part in all this. The students at MUM now are very different than the students who were at MIU in 1975. Back then many were TM teachers and or had already been meditating for a few years. Californians! Nowadays they're into David Lynch or sustainable living or organic food or some combo or these (-: As for me, I'm no longer on the inside and haven't been for almost 12 years, 7 of which I didn't even go to the Dome. Plus I have constant contact with my non meditating family so I'm aware of how it all looks to non meditators. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:37 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well salyavin, in all my years here, we've only had one earthquake and it's epicenter was over in Illinois across the Mighty Mississip, a river which supposedly has a fault line running down it. I'll have to ask some vastu dwellers about the homeowners insurance. PS btw, speaking of good questions, I think mine is a good question too: if this blogger is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! As I said, he probably has his money invested in it, be hard to change to another one without losing any downpayments or even just getting on another course at this stage without starting again. Maybe he's got a lot of anger at finding out that he joined a utopianist cult without realising it? I've never been to FF or MUM but I know how the movement works and let's face it, the TMO is more than a bit weird. You may not think so as you are on the inside but the TM worldview is unusual and takes some getting used to for anyone. If you steadfastly refuse to adopt it then you will be unhappy. Is it possible to just go to MUM and not notice what everyone else believes?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Well one could say you are knee jerk reacting, or that you are pot calling kettle black, or one could say you just dislike anything I say since I don't fawn all over Marshy and Company. No Michael, as I've said before, I think many of your criticism of the organization are right on target. I mean, do you not see Buck and Nabby's posts as being extrmly biased? Nope, since they love to love all things TM. Really Michael, of course they are highly biased, and impervious to any thing that goes against their beliefs. That said, I am fond of both of them, but I am not expecting anything new from anything they post. I think you bring something refreshing to the group, for that matter. And I do not, not have I ever labeled everyone who disagrees with me as a cult apologist. Ann disagrees with me from time to time and I don't call her that. I get the very occasional appreciation from Judy for correcting some minor technical mistake I have made, tho most of her posts she comes across like a pack of yapping chihuahuas - frenetically yapping at anything and everything just to hear themselves yapping. Barry has disagreed with me sometimes and I have never called or labeled him a cult apologist. Sorry, if I jumped to a wrong conclusion. So you are getting tired of something that exists ONLY IN YOUR OWN HEAD. I expect that all the corners of your awareness that harbor still a slavish addiction to Marshy and his bogus teachings get agitated when they read my posts. Again, when you are ready to take on ultimate freedom, just let me know and I will hep you set yourself free. And unlike the TMO, I won't charge you nothin'. Now how do you like that? Thank you for the offer Michael. Yes, I have plenty of issues to work on. When I get around to that one, I'd be glad to take you up on it. On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 8:59 PM Michael, the issue is not whether or not to read your posts. That is what they call a red herring. And you're tactic of labeling everyone with whom you disagree as a cult apologist has, frankly, gotten a little old. The issue is whether or not you feel some obligation to take a look at what you post and see if it has merit, or how much merit it might have. Does that make sense to you? I say that because the piece you posted from the student about Utopia Park and the Pundit housing would come across to most any reader, either in or out of the TMO as quite biased. At least, that's how I see it. On the other hand, maybe that matters not to you. As long as it's anti TM, it's got to be good. Like Smucker's Jam. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : hey, I lived there when they had the pods - I bet I would have loved one-a those double wides in those days. I do like the juxtaposition of the pundits living quarters that look like the photos of the old Nazi stalags next to the Utopia Park - and the man raises some fair points, which you who are still seemingly attempting to find a reason to find something wonderful is happening in the TM world don't much like. If you find my posts so unpleasant why read 'em? On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 5:13 PM Well, at least it makes it easy to see why you regard anyone who disagrees with you a cult apologist. It looks like the only reason you view this as an excellent essay is because it trashes something you don't like. Sort of like what Judy was discussing earlier. There is no issue of fairness or unfairness. No issue of whether there might be another side to it. It trashes something you like to see trashed so therefore it is excellent, and anyone with a dissenting opinion is afraid of the truth Damn you've covered all the bases today Michael! but can you imagine if you were on the other side of something like this in real life? then I suppose it would be a different story. But on an internet forum, hey, no need to even attempt something approaching a balanced approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : E-cellent essay
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Well that does help Michael, at least in understanding where you are coming from. If you view that student's essay as both excellent, and as an an embodiment of truth, then I think are taking a kool aid of a different sort. I would say it implies you have a pretty low threshold for you would consider unbiased reporting. Obviously you don't see it that way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh and it was one of the most ridiculous post you have ever made, this one. Of course I think what I post here has merit, why else would I post? On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 8:59 PM Michael, the issue is not whether or not to read your posts. That is what they call a red herring. And you're tactic of labeling everyone with whom you disagree as a cult apologist has, frankly, gotten a little old. The issue is whether or not you feel some obligation to take a look at what you post and see if it has merit, or how much merit it might have. Does that make sense to you? I say that because the piece you posted from the student about Utopia Park and the Pundit housing would come across to most any reader, either in or out of the TMO as quite biased. At least, that's how I see it. On the other hand, maybe that matters not to you. As long as it's anti TM, it's got to be good. Like Smucker's Jam. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : hey, I lived there when they had the pods - I bet I would have loved one-a those double wides in those days. I do like the juxtaposition of the pundits living quarters that look like the photos of the old Nazi stalags next to the Utopia Park - and the man raises some fair points, which you who are still seemingly attempting to find a reason to find something wonderful is happening in the TM world don't much like. If you find my posts so unpleasant why read 'em? On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 5:13 PM Well, at least it makes it easy to see why you regard anyone who disagrees with you a cult apologist. It looks like the only reason you view this as an excellent essay is because it trashes something you don't like. Sort of like what Judy was discussing earlier. There is no issue of fairness or unfairness. No issue of whether there might be another side to it. It trashes something you like to see trashed so therefore it is excellent, and anyone with a dissenting opinion is afraid of the truth Damn you've covered all the bases today Michael! but can you imagine if you were on the other side of something like this in real life? then I suppose it would be a different story. But on an internet forum, hey, no need to even attempt something approaching a balanced approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : E-cellent essay by a current MUM student - those who aren't afraid of the truth, click the link and read on! The photos are quite interesting. http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.htmlMUM http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.htmlMUM Residential IronyA student of Maharishi University of Management, I’m bothered by a few things associated with the school.View on mumosa.comPreview by Yahoo
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On 4/20/2014 4:40 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. Somebody has to wash the dishes, so I would think that taking a break to meditate or nap in the dome would be something you would welcome. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 4/20/2014 4:36 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Oh and it was one of the most ridiculous post you have ever made, this one. Of course I think what I post here has merit, why else would I post? Because you'd get lonely if you didn't have someone to talk to? Reading FFL and sending messages to the group is about as close to a spiritual practice as some people get. Unless practicing squats in the back yard counts as a spiritual practice. Most people now live in places where there aren't any other TMers for hundreds of miles around - who else would you be talking to about TM and the TMSP? Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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I think it's called the World Wide Web. The Rajas are just a weird offshoot of the main organization. I'm not sure what direct connection the Rajas have to academic life. As for due diligence during the time you were involved in the organization and people looking at it now, it's sort of like indicting the Collective Papers for being so low on Amazon's Book list compared to the guy's book that just came out about the murder of his fellow MUM student. A lot has changed in thirty years. The world just doesn't turn exactly the way you want it to Michael. You have to get used to that fact. Despite your earnest efforts to defeat the organization in every way you can, you may end up being frustrated. But I'm sure you'll stay at it. It appears to be quite a preoccupation for you. And really, if truth be told, it seems to have come on heels of your other failed spiritual ventures. Perhaps all that frustration got all balled up, and this is now the result. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. And if it's really as bad as the blogger claims, wouldn't he have noticed the trailer park etc. when he first arrived. Plenty of time to get money back or not enroll at all. I doubt that the blog is telling his part in all this. The students at MUM now are very different than the students who were at MIU in 1975. Back then many were TM teachers and or had already been meditating for a few years. Californians! Nowadays they're into David Lynch or sustainable living or organic food or some combo or these (-: As for me, I'm no longer on the inside and haven't been for almost 12 years, 7 of which I didn't even go to the Dome. Plus I have constant contact with my non meditating family so I'm aware of how it all looks to non meditators. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:37 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well salyavin, in all my years here, we've only had one earthquake and it's epicenter was over in Illinois across the Mighty Mississip, a river which supposedly has a fault line running down it. I'll have to ask some vastu dwellers about the homeowners insurance. PS btw, speaking of good questions, I think mine is a good question too: if this blogger is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! As I said, he probably has his money invested in it, be hard to change to another one without losing any downpayments or even just getting on another course at this stage without starting again. Maybe he's got a lot of anger at finding out that he joined a utopianist cult without realising it? I've never been to FF or MUM but I know how the movement works and let's face it, the TMO is more than a bit weird. You may not think so as you are on the inside but the TM worldview is unusual and takes some getting used to for anyone. If you steadfastly refuse to adopt it then you will be unhappy. Is it possible to just go to MUM and not notice what everyone else believes?
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Rajas are central to Maharishi's organization, They are great people who are putting their time and wealth to accomplishing his goals for the world as whole. The way they dress is a sign of their commitment to his vision. It isn't any weirder than the traditional cap and gown of a university or any other kind of drag including standard business garb, which shows commitment to profit.
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Michael, you said the blogger was married, had been in the Navy, etc. So I assumed he was an older, worldly-wise person not a naive, young man. I think it's just human nature that all organizations, in fact all people, put their best foot forward when first entering into a relationship. I'm not sure what your mean when you say that you had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before you came to MIU. Do you mean you had been doing TM, going to the center now and then? I had only been doing TM for 6 months when I first came to MIU! All those Californians (-: On Sunday, April 20, 2014 4:43 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. And if it's really as bad as the blogger claims, wouldn't he have noticed the trailer park etc. when he first arrived. Plenty of time to get money back or not enroll at all. I doubt that the blog is telling his part in all this. The students at MUM now are very different than the students who were at MIU in 1975. Back then many were TM teachers and or had already been meditating for a few years. Californians! Nowadays they're into David Lynch or sustainable living or organic food or some combo or these (-: As for me, I'm no longer on the inside and haven't been for almost 12 years, 7 of which I didn't even go to the Dome. Plus I have constant contact with my non meditating family so I'm aware of how it all looks to non meditators. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:37 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well salyavin, in all my years here, we've only had one earthquake and it's epicenter was over in Illinois across the Mighty Mississip, a river which supposedly has a fault line running down it. I'll have to ask some vastu dwellers about the homeowners insurance. PS btw, speaking of good questions, I think mine is a good question too: if this blogger is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! As I said, he probably has his money invested in it, be hard to change to another one without losing any downpayments or even just getting on another course at this stage without starting again. Maybe he's got a lot of anger at finding out that he joined a utopianist cult without realising it? I've never been to FF or MUM but I know how the movement works and let's face it, the TMO is more than a bit weird. You may not think so as you are on the inside but the TM worldview is unusual and takes some getting used to for anyone. If you steadfastly refuse to adopt it then you will be unhappy. Is it possible to just go to MUM and not notice what everyone else believes?
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You can raise that up the flagpole, but I don't know if anyone will salute. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Rajas are central to Maharishi's organization, They are great people who are putting their time and wealth to accomplishing his goals for the world as whole. The way they dress is a sign of their commitment to his vision. It isn't any weirder than the traditional cap and gown of a university or any other kind of drag including standard business garb, which shows commitment to profit.
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I didn't say it was unbiased - but I think it is less biased than the baloney the Movement puts out about itself and particularly as other here have said in calling a trailer park Utopia and all the other bull dookey the Movement puts out about MIU/MUM - one example being when I was there I heard Bevan say a number of times we have no drug problem here at MIU and that was only true if you were a dope smoker who felt no problem existed as long as you had some dope or if you said we have no problem cause we ignore the fact that plenty of students and some staff are dope users. On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:58 PM Well that does help Michael, at least in understanding where you are coming from. If you view that student's essay as both excellent, and as an an embodiment of truth, then I think are taking a kool aid of a different sort. I would say it implies you have a pretty low threshold for you would consider unbiased reporting. Obviously you don't see it that way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh and it was one of the most ridiculous post you have ever made, this one. Of course I think what I post here has merit, why else would I post? On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 8:59 PM Michael, the issue is not whether or not to read your posts. That is what they call a red herring. And you're tactic of labeling everyone with whom you disagree as a cult apologist has, frankly, gotten a little old. The issue is whether or not you feel some obligation to take a look at what you post and see if it has merit, or how much merit it might have. Does that make sense to you? I say that because the piece you posted from the student about Utopia Park and the Pundit housing would come across to most any reader, either in or out of the TMO as quite biased. At least, that's how I see it. On the other hand, maybe that matters not to you. As long as it's anti TM, it's got to be good. Like Smucker's Jam. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : hey, I lived there when they had the pods - I bet I would have loved one-a those double wides in those days. I do like the juxtaposition of the pundits living quarters that look like the photos of the old Nazi stalags next to the Utopia Park - and the man raises some fair points, which you who are still seemingly attempting to find a reason to find something wonderful is happening in the TM world don't much like. If you find my posts so unpleasant why read 'em? On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 5:13 PM Well, at least it makes it easy to see why you regard anyone who disagrees with you a cult apologist. It looks like the only reason you view this as an excellent essay is because it trashes something you don't like. Sort of like what Judy was discussing earlier. There is no issue of fairness or unfairness. No issue of whether there might be another side to it. It trashes something you like to see trashed so therefore it is excellent, and anyone with a dissenting opinion is afraid of the truth Damn you've covered all the bases today Michael! but can you imagine if you were on the other side of something like this in real life? then I suppose it would be a different story. But on an internet forum, hey, no need to even attempt something approaching a balanced approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : E-cellent essay by a current MUM student - those who aren't afraid of the truth, click the link and read on! The photos are quite interesting. http://mumosa.com/mum-stories/mum-residential-irony.htmlMUM
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an offshoot? What are you smoking? Let's see - the leader of the Movement, King-Pin Tony CALLS himself not only a king but the BIG king, he wears robes and a big ass gold crown - all the other leaders including Bevan are all robe and crown wearers - these asses RUN the Movement - if the rajas aren't in charge who is? The fact that you can't accept these guys have become the face of the new Movement is indicative of just how deep your denial runs. On Sun, 4/20/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 10:12 PM I think it's called the World Wide Web. The Rajas are just a weird offshoot of the main organization. I'm not sure what direct connection the Rajas have to academic life. As for due diligence during the time you were involved in the organization and people looking at it now, it's sort of like indicting the Collective Papers for being so low on Amazon's Book list compared to the guy's book that just came out about the murder of his fellow MUM student. A lot has changed in thirty years. The world just doesn't turn exactly the way you want it to Michael. You have to get used to that fact. Despite your earnest efforts to defeat the organization in every way you can, you may end up being frustrated. But I'm sure you'll stay at it. It appears to be quite a preoccupation for you. And really, if truth be told, it seems to have come on heels of your other failed spiritual ventures. Perhaps all that frustration got all balled up, and this is now the result. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. And if it's really as bad as the blogger claims, wouldn't he have noticed the trailer park etc. when he first arrived. Plenty of time to get money back or not enroll at all. I doubt that the blog is telling his part in all this. The students at MUM now are very different than the students who were at MIU in 1975. Back then many were TM teachers and or had already been meditating for a few years. Californians! Nowadays they're into David Lynch or sustainable living or organic food or some combo or these (-: As for me, I'm no longer on the inside and haven't been for almost 12 years, 7 of which I didn't even go to the Dome. Plus I have constant contact with my non meditating family so I'm aware of how it all looks to non meditators. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:37 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well salyavin, in all my years here, we've only had one earthquake and it's epicenter was over in Illinois across the Mighty Mississip, a river which supposedly has a fault line running down it. I'll have to ask some vastu dwellers about the homeowners insurance. PS btw, speaking of good questions, I think mine is a good question too: if this blogger is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! As I said, he probably has his money invested in it, be hard to change to another one without losing any downpayments or even just getting on another course at this stage without starting again. Maybe he's got a lot of anger at finding out that he joined a utopianist cult without realising it? I've never been to FF or MUM but I know how the movement works and let's face it, the TMO is more than a bit weird. You may not think so as you
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well that's a different POV than Steve's On Mon, 4/21/14, sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 12:54 AM Rajas are central to Maharishi's organization, They are great people who are putting their time and wealth to accomplishing his goals for the world as whole. The way they dress is a sign of their commitment to his vision. It isn't any weirder than the traditional cap and gown of a university or any other kind of drag including standard business garb, which shows commitment to profit.
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Yep, I had been doing TM from 1974 - 1985 and had worked at various TM facilities in North and South Carolina off and on during that time, including working for the governors who taught the sidhi prep courses in the Carolinas - that was when my real TM education began. On Mon, 4/21/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 1:16 AM Michael, you said the blogger was married, had been in the Navy, etc. So I assumed he was an older, worldly-wise person not a naive, young man. I think it's just human nature that all organizations, in fact all people, put their best foot forward when first entering into a relationship. I'm not sure what your mean when you say that you had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before you came to MIU. Do you mean you had been doing TM, going to the center now and then? I had only been doing TM for 6 months when I first came to MIU! All those Californians (-: On Sunday, April 20, 2014 4:43 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I just a few months ago had a good talk with a young man and his mother. The boy was intent on going to MUM - they had been to visitors weekend and didn't even know anything about the rajas! I had been in the TM mindset for 10 years before I went to MIU and I had no idea of the stupid crap I would have to put up with while on staff - no one does unless they have been on staff or as a student. On Sun, 4/20/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 9:28 PM salyavin, in this day and age, however could a person join a utopian cult without realizing it?! Sounds to me like someone who didn't do their due diligence. And if it's really as bad as the blogger claims, wouldn't he have noticed the trailer park etc. when he first arrived. Plenty of time to get money back or not enroll at all. I doubt that the blog is telling his part in all this. The students at MUM now are very different than the students who were at MIU in 1975. Back then many were TM teachers and or had already been meditating for a few years. Californians! Nowadays they're into David Lynch or sustainable living or organic food or some combo or these (-: As for me, I'm no longer on the inside and haven't been for almost 12 years, 7 of which I didn't even go to the Dome. Plus I have constant contact with my non meditating family so I'm aware of how it all looks to non meditators. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:37 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well salyavin, in all my years here, we've only had one earthquake and it's epicenter was over in Illinois across the Mighty Mississip, a river which supposedly has a fault line running down it. I'll have to ask some vastu dwellers about the homeowners insurance. PS btw, speaking of good questions, I think mine is a good question too: if this blogger is so unhappy with MUM, why does he continue being a student there?! As I said, he probably has his money invested in it, be hard to change to another one without losing any downpayments or even just getting on another course at this stage without starting again. Maybe he's got a lot of anger at finding out that he joined a utopianist cult without realising it? I've never been to FF or MUM but I know how the movement works and let's face it, the TMO is more than a bit weird. You may not think so as you are on the inside but the TM worldview is unusual and takes some getting used to for anyone. If you steadfastly refuse to adopt it then you will be unhappy. Is it possible to just go to MUM and not notice what everyone else believes?
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And I've got news for you - the so-called raja's garb DOES show commitment to profit, that's what the Movement stands for these days. On Mon, 4/21/14, sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 12:54 AM Rajas are central to Maharishi's organization, They are great people who are putting their time and wealth to accomplishing his goals for the world as whole. The way they dress is a sign of their commitment to his vision. It isn't any weirder than the traditional cap and gown of a university or any other kind of drag including standard business garb, which shows commitment to profit.
