[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: snip-who wants to fly away Oh, start it earlier:oh father in heaven forgive how i could miss that part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=1\ 3m00s Otherwise it kills the funniest line in the film (by me, anyway). snip Hey Jude I knew you do not luv me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=5\ 095s I can't do anything right!-did you hear the gun shot-- [:D] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=\ \ 5095s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Oh God, hilarious...but is Burt pulling on his chest hair at one point?! He sure is. That is such a beautifully acted, written (by Jerry Belson), and directed (by Reynolds himself) scene. The film (The End) drags a bit in spots, but it has some brilliant scenes (including one with Robby Benson as a neophyte priest hearing Reynolds's confession). snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Feisty, you've done it again. I'm liking you more and more. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Seems a bit nutty to me, Vaj, quite honestly. It's like you've invented a demon that no one else can see. I don't know what you mean by weaving the same old patterns. What patterns might those be? As for selecting a target audience, that's what all writers (and posters here) surely do. We all want an audience, we all want to be read. Otherwise, why bother? You have a target audience here on FFL, too, and I don't see anything wrong with that. But as far as your attitude to Robin is concerned, I would have hoped that the passage of time would have softened your views. It's nearly 30 years ago now! I can't see that Robin has done anything on FFL that would justify the level of venom you display toward him. He's contributed a lot to this forum. Same with the Turq-fellow, still obsessing with history 30-40 years back in time. What is it with the practise of these Buddhists that prevent them from moving on, where's the dynamism ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Oh, awoeflebater, you are too kind . . . (When in real life a woman says something like that to me, I think, omg, what happens when SHE FINDS OUT?) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Feisty, you've done it again. I'm liking you more and more. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Seems a bit nutty to me, Vaj, quite honestly. It's like you've invented a demon that no one else can see. I don't know what you mean by weaving the same old patterns. What patterns might those be? As for selecting a target audience, that's what all writers (and posters here) surely do. We all want an audience, we all want to be read. Otherwise, why bother? You have a target audience here on FFL, too, and I don't see anything wrong with that. But as far as your attitude to Robin is concerned, I would have hoped that the passage of time would have softened your views. It's nearly 30 years ago now! I can't see that Robin has done anything on FFL that would justify the level of venom you display toward him. He's contributed a lot to this forum. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, feste37 feste37@ wrote: So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in the most relative terms, in our life. So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused friends to be expelled from college, some just before graduation, all that I talked to went on an inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and worth risking their young careers, their young lives. How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have talked to the students that were tricked into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were still doing it, and afterwards. How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some couples evolution? And then there is the demonic confrontations... Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once again. What do you do then Feste? If you don't get that you're his target audience Feste, then maybe it's because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you've missed their very presence. I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. I would think you two (and many here) share some similar or even same sentimental moments. R's sentimentality should appeal to many TM folk.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Oh, awoeflebater, you are too kind . . . (When in real life a woman says something like that to me, I think, omg, what happens when SHE FINDS OUT?) LOL. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: Feisty, you've done it again. I'm liking you more and more. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Seems a bit nutty to me, Vaj, quite honestly. It's like you've invented a demon that no one else can see. I don't know what you mean by weaving the same old patterns. What patterns might those be? As for selecting a target audience, that's what all writers (and posters here) surely do. We all want an audience, we all want to be read. Otherwise, why bother? You have a target audience here on FFL, too, and I don't see anything wrong with that. But as far as your attitude to Robin is concerned, I would have hoped that the passage of time would have softened your views. It's nearly 30 years ago now! I can't see that Robin has done anything on FFL that would justify the level of venom you display toward him. He's contributed a lot to this forum.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:26 AM, awoelflebater wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, feste37 feste37@... wrote: So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in the most relative terms, in our life. So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused friends to be expelled from college Only MIU could expel people. I think the key word you're missing is caused. RWC did not expel these students, he was the cause of their expulsion. some just before graduation, all that I talked to went on an inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and worth risking their young careers, their young lives. The word young makes my eyes water. And oh, what fun they had. I'll bet a degree from MIU was worth the risk. Again, you seem to miss the point - yet another disconnect - they did not get degrees from MIU, they were expelled. How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have talked to the students that were tricked How tricked? Everyone is a free agent. These were intelligent, sensitive, strong men. They were adventurers. Nothing in this life is without risk. The key trick was look at me, I'm an enlightened man and based on that faulty information (from my POV) they preceded. I guess really the issue here is that they were part of an organisation that placed great emphasis on alleged higher states of consciousness and here was RWC presenting himself as the fulfillment of that ideal, in the flesh. In such a case, the onus falls on the integrity, honesty and maturity of the guru, as he's taking responsibility for his students. into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were still doing it, and afterwards. So what are they doing now? How are they? Did they survive? Are they still curled up in the fetal position, inconsolable? I cannot say, but I would doubt that. So you're going with an enablers tack: they survived and they're OK, so everything's OK, Robin's OK, I'm OK? How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some couples evolution? Not the same as undertaking the procedure. As I said, everyone is a free agent. Choice, Vaj, choice. No guns to anyone's head. But you ignore the key component here: enlightened advice = the advice to have, if you're on a liberation path. Of course the problem is, 'what happens when da guru ain't enlightened?' ;-) Now while it didn't go as badly as say Rev. Jones or Rajneeshpuram, I'd hope you can see that a similar seed exists in these very different circumstances. So my hope would be that we become wiser - and hopefully more compassionate in action - from seeing these spiritual pathologies acted out. Then we need not be enablers or victims any longer, just wiser to the ways of the world. And then there is the demonic confrontations... That ... implies so much here. Left to the reader's imagination. Only if they don't ask or make inquiry. Hopefully we would ask ourselves what benefit there was from it? Was it real? Did it represent a pathology of some sort in the guru or some form of direct seeing (of ultimate reality)? If it wasn't real, what does that mean if we encounter similar situations later in life? Are we wiser in response to what we learned, or do we ignore what we've seen and not act in ways that are helpful? Each person will respond very differently. For example one might expect someone who was found to be demonic would react strongly, someone who never was, less so. Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once again. What do you do then Feste? We know what you do Vaj. I doubt that, because most of the meaty discussion of RWC and WTS have not taken place on FFL. They've taken place offlist between old movement insiders, therapists and people who were there. If you don't get that you're his target audience Feste, then maybe it's because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you've missed their very presence. OK, if I had said that I would immediately be branded a DQ, or as Tea
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:26 AM, awoelflebater wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, feste37 feste37@ wrote: So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in the most relative terms, in our life. So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused friends to be expelled from college Only MIU could expel people. I think the key word you're missing is caused. RWC did not expel these students, he was the cause of their expulsion. No he didn't. MIU expelled them. The students made their own decision to do whatever they did in relation to Robin and MIU. What caused the expulsion was a combination of MIU's policy and the student's decisions to do what they did to defy that policy. Robin was just incidental. some just before graduation, all that I talked to went on an inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and worth risking their young careers, their young lives. The word young makes my eyes water. And oh, what fun they had. I'll bet a degree from MIU was worth the risk. Again, you seem to miss the point - yet another disconnect - they did not get degrees from MIU, they were expelled. No Vaj, I was being ironic here implying a degree from MIU is not worth that much, not worth as much as the fun and adventure they had. How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have talked to the students that were tricked How tricked? Everyone is a free agent. These were intelligent, sensitive, strong men. They were adventurers. Nothing in this life is without risk. The key trick was look at me, I'm an enlightened man and based on that faulty information (from my POV) they preceded. I guess really the issue here is that they were part of an organisation that placed great emphasis on alleged higher states of consciousness and here was RWC presenting himself as the fulfillment of that ideal, in the flesh. In such a case, the onus falls on the integrity, honesty and maturity of the guru, as he's taking responsibility for his students. Again I have to disagree. If someone's wrong or incorrect in a perception whose fault is that? And who is to say they were wrong? Robin believed himself to have been enlightened and so did many others including me. Are you saying that you think Robin knew he wasn't enlightened the whole time and was pretending for ten years? into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were still doing it, and afterwards. So what are they doing now? How are they? Did they survive? Are they still curled up in the fetal position, inconsolable? I cannot say, but I would doubt that. Me too. So you're going with an enablers tack: they survived and they're OK, so everything's OK, Robin's OK, I'm OK? I'm OK, Robin appears OK but I'm thinking you have a ways to go. How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some couples evolution? Not the same as undertaking the procedure. As I said, everyone is a free agent. Choice, Vaj, choice. No guns to anyone's head. But you ignore the key component here: enlightened advice = the advice to have, if you're on a liberation path. Of course the problem is, 'what happens when da guru ain't enlightened?' ;-) And what happens when da guru is? How would it differ? Impossible to say. You imply that all enlightened advice results in bouncing babies and happy people. Life isn't like that Vaj, right? Now while it didn't go as badly as say Rev. Jones or Rajneeshpuram, I'd hope you can see that a similar seed exists in these very different circumstances. So my hope would be that we become wiser - and hopefully more compassionate in action - from seeing these spiritual pathologies acted out. Then we need not be enablers or victims any longer, just wiser to the ways of the world. And then there is the demonic confrontations... That ... implies so much here. Left to the reader's imagination. Only if they don't ask or make inquiry. Hopefully we
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
On Aug 3, 2012, at 10:06 AM, awoelflebater wrote: Again I have to disagree. If someone's wrong or incorrect in a perception whose fault is that? And who is to say they were wrong? Robin believed himself to have been enlightened and so did many others including me. Are you saying that you think Robin knew he wasn't enlightened the whole time and was pretending for ten years? into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were still doing it, and afterwards. So what are they doing now? How are they? Did they survive? Are they still curled up in the fetal position, inconsolable? I cannot say, but I would doubt that. Me too. Let's please keep in mind though, that for some people this type of trauma can last many years or even a lifetime. A recent example, in the context of the TMO provides an example: http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2012/07/recovering-from-transcendental.html So you're going with an enablers tack: they survived and they're OK, so everything's OK, Robin's OK, I'm OK? I'm OK, Robin appears OK but I'm thinking you have a ways to go. Thanks, but I'm fine. How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some couples evolution? Not the same as undertaking the procedure. As I said, everyone is a free agent. Choice, Vaj, choice. No guns to anyone's head. But you ignore the key component here: enlightened advice = the advice to have, if you're on a liberation path. Of course the problem is, 'what happens when da guru ain't enlightened?' ;-) And what happens when da guru is? How would it differ? Impossible to say. You imply that all enlightened advice results in bouncing babies and happy people. Life isn't like that Vaj, right? Well hopefully it doesn't end in expulsion from college or whatever...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: snip-who wants to fly away Oh, start it earlier:oh father in heaven forgive how i could miss that part and thank you Judith-ji for the advanced technique initiation(or may i use it as a night technique)wisper wisper i'vseenitin-inthemovie (you as a trained checker may be respectful reminded to make a checking on me on regular basis from now on, please) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=1\ 3m00s Otherwise it kills the funniest line in the film (by me, anyway).you see i take it quite serious wisdom-wise snip Hey Jude I knew you do not luv me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=5\ 095s I can't do anything right!-did you hear the gun shot-- it's now on your guilt ridden conscience [:D] that merudanda may only post as a ghostwriter wait a minute it's that above mention night technique only to be done at midnight?? humbly ask for spiritual advice and first checking yours truly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=\ \ 5095s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Oh God, hilarious...but is Burt pulling on his chest hair at one point?! He sure is. That is such a beautifully acted, written (by Jerry Belson), and directed (by Reynolds himself) scene. The film (The End) drags a bit in spots, but it has some brilliant scenes (including one with Robby Benson as a neophyte priest hearing Reynolds's confession). snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Hey gals, don't feed a troll! :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:13 AM, awoelflebater wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. Oh Vaj, Vaj, Vaj. I was hardly innocent. I wasn't looking for anything except something unique, intelligent, exciting and new. So don't start defining categorically the characteristics of those who found and followed and engaged Mr Carlsen. I was no babe in the woods and hardly without smarts so you can just stuff that little assertion of yours back in the junk pile where it belongs. Well don't assume I was talking about you. I believe you had already graduated, no? It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. You groom horses Vaj. Or maybe it is you who is feeling the siren call of Robin. It would be for the first time then. Unfortunately I think you're a little late joining the queue. It wound itself down 25 years ago. But I have some great old pictures if you want to relive some great old times. I'd be happy to see them. Thanks for sharing. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!). What does this falling for it look like? Perhaps you are mistaking civilized exchange for adulation. I'm mere observing a old patterns I've seen before, no more, no less.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
On Aug 2, 2012, at 4:14 AM, turquoiseb wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. And that's a given. One expects it. But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in listeningvia email. Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost adulation! Robin, by the grace of god, will you please manifest...atonement? TIA. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1v=EyH760MV3Ygfeature=endscreen --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitF1kpMbvg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ebR_8UKAYfeature=related --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMnKEmPL_Dk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-y2LUh-9AA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25RAkXpQwnA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDBrdl2sZWs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 4:14 AM, turquoiseb wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. And that's a given. One expects it. But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in listeningvia email. Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost adulation! Robin, by the grace of god, will you please manifest...atonement? TIA. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ebR_8UKAYfeature=related http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/bombay.html http://ninamartyris.blogspot.de/2007/04/leonard-cohen-came-looking-in-mumbaiand.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLiq-ZQAXHs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1v=EyH760MV3Ygfeature=endscreen http://youtu.be/AKtwlHV1-O8 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzgsdg-Bmvk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Most interesting, iranitea. Thank you. My favourite lines from this post: India is filled with many exceptionally beautiful women who don't desire me I verify this every single day as I walk around the city of Bombay I look into face after face and never once have I been wrong The Creator is going to have to really be up for that encounter with Leonard--that loving irony, it might be about as good as it gets. Never knew about this. Appreciate it. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ebR_8UKAYfeature=related http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/bombay.html http://ninamartyris.blogspot.de/2007/04/leonard-cohen-came-looking-in-mumbaiand.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLiq-ZQAXHs http://youtu.be/joShGDJjmwE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Wow! Loving that gravelly voice... From: iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 8:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ebR_8UKAYfeature=related http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/bombay.html http://ninamartyris.blogspot.de/2007/04/leonard-cohen-came-looking-in-mumbaiand.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Oh God, hilarious...but is Burt pulling on his chest hair at one point?! From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitF1kpMbvg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day Uh huh. Because if Barry let on that he knew who it was, he couldn't go on to insinuate that he was gay: -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) In fact, of course, this group is a subset of the hate faction. Its members are characterized by extreme jealousy of the individual getting all the attention.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Oh God, hilarious...but is Burt pulling on his chest hair at one point?! He sure is. That is such a beautifully acted, written (by Jerry Belson), and directed (by Reynolds himself) scene. The film (The End) drags a bit in spots, but it has some brilliant scenes (including one with Robby Benson as a neophyte priest hearing Reynolds's confession). From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitF1kpMbvg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
On 08/02/2012 01:14 AM, turquoiseb wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Robert Goulet. It was probably on his TV show and meant to be a comedy bit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
bless me Dave-who wants to fly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=9\ 61s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=\ 961s now do you owe me 50% ... or was it really 10% only? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzqbqDW9z6Efeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzqbqDW9z6Efeature=related Hey Jude I knew you do not luv me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=5\ 095s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=\ 5095s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Oh God, hilarious...but is Burt pulling on his chest hair at one point?! He sure is. That is such a beautifully acted, written (by Jerry Belson), and directed (by Reynolds himself) scene. The film (The End) drags a bit in spots, but it has some brilliant scenes (including one with Robby Benson as a neophyte priest hearing Reynolds's confession). From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitF1kpMbvg
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: snip-who wants to fly Oh, start it earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=13m00s Otherwise it kills the funniest line in the film (by me, anyway). v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=9\ 61s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=\ 961s now do you owe me 50% ... or was it really 10% only? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzqbqDW9z6Efeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzqbqDW9z6Efeature=related Hey Jude I knew you do not luv me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=5\ 095s I can't do anything right! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXA30hD2NQfeature=player_detailpage#t=\ 5095s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Oh God, hilarious...but is Burt pulling on his chest hair at one point?! He sure is. That is such a beautifully acted, written (by Jerry Belson), and directed (by Reynolds himself) scene. The film (The End) drags a bit in spots, but it has some brilliant scenes (including one with Robby Benson as a neophyte priest hearing Reynolds's confession). From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitF1kpMbvg
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: snip But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in listeningvia email. Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost adulation! This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm. Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming people.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
I was thinking about those that create false selves that are so real to them, that they forget they created them, in order to protect themselves. Based in fear, looking for safety. One creates a false self in order to not have to create a healthy boundary. We are not taught to understand what a healthy boundary is and that we have the right to set them. If one does not challenge one's false self, one will never move forward, no matter what philosophy/technique one adheres to. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 11:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: snip But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in listeningvia email. Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost adulation! This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm. Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming people.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
First 50 seconds - loving, authentic, and ironic all at the same time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHI9BTpGkp8 From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 7:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story Most interesting, iranitea. Thank you. My favourite lines from this post: India is filled with many exceptionally beautiful women who don't desire me I verify this every single day as I walk around the city of Bombay I look into face after face and never once have I been wrong The Creator is going to have to really be up for that encounter with Leonard--that loving irony, it might be about as good as it gets. Never knew about this. Appreciate it. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ebR_8UKAYfeature=related http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/bombay.html http://ninamartyris.blogspot.de/2007/04/leonard-cohen-came-looking-in-mumbaiand.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect soundtrack to the groupie metaphor I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably some TV personality or host who was popular in that day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the projected image, not the reality. Here's a followup soundtrack song on the same theme of spiritual groupies. I like this one because it captures the *polarity* that develops when someone new develops a following among members of an established spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups it's usually split more along dogma/purity of the teaching lines. One faction drools over the flashy new wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering under their breaths about Incredibly Low Standards on both sides. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in listeningvia email. Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost adulation! This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm. Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming people.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! As I understand it, he was barred legally from entering Jefferson County--I assume that's still in effect, not sure--but it had nothing to do with criminality; it was part of the outcome of MIU's lawsuit against him back in 1983. My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. And Vaj isn't willing to say why he hates Robin so much. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. Of course he isn't. Targeting them for what? Why? Vaj knows that's nonsense, but he's hoping others don't. He wants to make folks leery of talking to Robin. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? Exactly. I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. Why he makes a few people here freak out is a mystery to me. But interestingly, it's the same few people who are in the habit of making this forum unpleasant for the TMers here. You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in listeningvia email. Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost adulation! This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm. Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming people.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. And the way that you say this Feste indicates to me that you are quite the opposite. A decent person who appears to operate within the boundaries of decency, intelligence yet with that flavour of feistiness I referred to the other day. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? Well, not that it is always evident but, yes, I think that was probably the intention when this forum was conceived of. Not really the place for personal vendettas to play out and purposefully-posted incendiary and mean-spirited (to put it mildly)half truths and all- out lies. But seemingly reasonable people, like yourself, just end up automatically mirroring back the outrageous quality of this kind of libel. Just some vicious innuendos here from Vaj, thrown into jail, pedophile, re-target. I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. You know, I think I just might agree with you on that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in listeningvia email. Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost adulation! This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm. Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming people.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
snip You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejectedTM, that they'd want to make common cause with him. Robin quotes: I still experience that there is almost as much Maharishi inside of me as there is me. I don't like it; but that is the consequence of the awesome change he wrought in me. I believe I would be one-half the person I am now able to be if it were not for meeting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and coming under the tremendous metaphysical integrity of his personality and his consciousness. Secondly, I am not a doctrinaire—at least in the sense that I would ever allow what I believed in to spare me the existential tension, dissonance, ordeal of perhaps realizing, in contemplating I could be wrong in those beliefs (wrong here means: they do not correspond with reality), that someone else—even empty bill—is right. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! As I understand it, he was barred legally from entering Jefferson County--I assume that's still in effect, not sure--but it had nothing to do with criminality; it was part of the outcome of MIU's lawsuit against him back in 1983. My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. And Vaj isn't willing to say why he hates Robin so much. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. Of course he isn't. Targeting them for what? Why? Vaj knows that's nonsense, but he's hoping others don't. He wants to make folks leery of talking to Robin. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? Exactly. I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. Why he makes a few people here freak out is a mystery to me. But interestingly, it's the same few people who are in the habit of making this forum unpleasant for the TMers here. You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in listeningvia email. Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost adulation! This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm. Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming people.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Not sure what your point here is, Emily. Rather than have me guess, could you give me a clue? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejectedTM, that they'd want to make common cause with him. Robin quotes:  I still experience that there is almost as much Maharishi inside of me as there is me. I don't like it; but that is the consequence of the awesome change he wrought in me. I believe I would be one-half the person I am now able to be if it were not for meeting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and coming under the tremendous metaphysical integrity of his personality and his consciousness. Secondly, I am not a doctrinaireâat least in the sense that I would ever allow what I believed in to spare me the existential tension, dissonance, ordeal of perhaps realizing, in contemplating I could be wrong in those beliefs (wrong here means: they do not correspond with reality), that someone elseâeven empty billâis right. From: authfriend jstein@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! As I understand it, he was barred legally from entering Jefferson County--I assume that's still in effect, not sure--but it had nothing to do with criminality; it was part of the outcome of MIU's lawsuit against him back in 1983. My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. And Vaj isn't willing to say why he hates Robin so much. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. Of course he isn't. Targeting them for what? Why? Vaj knows that's nonsense, but he's hoping others don't. He wants to make folks leery of talking to Robin. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? Exactly. I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. Why he makes a few people here freak out is a mystery to me. But interestingly, it's the same few people who are in the habit of making this forum unpleasant for the TMers here. You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in listeningvia email. Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost adulation! This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm. Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming people.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
snip You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him. You are correct, it's not Maharishi that he's rejected, it's TM. The second quote is a testament from Robin that he is committed to seeing where the conversation evolves to. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 3:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story Not sure what your point here is, Emily. Rather than have me guess, could you give me a clue? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejectedTM, that they'd want to make common cause with him. Robin quotes:  I still experience that there is almost as much Maharishi inside of me as there is me. I don't like it; but that is the consequence of the awesome change he wrought in me. I believe I would be one-half the person I am now able to be if it were not for meeting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and coming under the tremendous metaphysical integrity of his personality and his consciousness. Secondly, I am not a doctrinaireâ€at least in the sense that I would ever allow what I believed in to spare me the existential tension, dissonance, ordeal of perhaps realizing, in contemplating I could be wrong in those beliefs (wrong here means: they do not correspond with reality), that someone elseâ€even empty billâ€is right. From: authfriend jstein@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! As I understand it, he was barred legally from entering Jefferson County--I assume that's still in effect, not sure--but it had nothing to do with criminality; it was part of the outcome of MIU's lawsuit against him back in 1983. My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. And Vaj isn't willing to say why he hates Robin so much. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. Of course he isn't. Targeting them for what? Why? Vaj knows that's nonsense, but he's hoping others don't. He wants to make folks leery of talking to Robin. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? Exactly. I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. Why he makes a few people here freak out is a mystery to me. But interestingly, it's the same few people who are in the habit of making this forum unpleasant for the TMers here. You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in listeningvia email. Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost adulation! This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm. Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming people.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? If we’re honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we hopefully tack close to what’s actually happening, even in the most relative terms, in our life. So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused friends to be expelled from college, some just before graduation, all that I talked to went on an inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and worth risking their young careers, their young lives. How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have talked to the students that were tricked into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome programs); I’ve heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were still doing it, and afterwards. How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some couples “evolution”? And then there is the demonic confrontations... Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once again. What do you do then Feste? If you don’t get that you’re his target audience Feste, then maybe it’s because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you’ve missed their very presence. I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. I would think you two (and many here) share some similar or even same sentimental moments. R’s sentimentality should appeal to many TM folk.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, feste37 feste37@... wrote: So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in the most relative terms, in our life. However, that is not what Vaj is doing. He is not being honest either with himself or the readers of FFL. So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused friends to be expelled from college, some just before graduation, all that I talked to went on an inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and worth risking their young careers, their young lives. How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have talked to the students that were tricked into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome programs); It is astonishing how completely Vaj has missed (or pretended to miss) the point Robin was making about maintaining the purity of the domes. Not surprisingly, iranitea appears to have missed it too. This reminds me of nothing so much as the Romney campaign's attempts to take things Obama has said completely out of context in its commercials with the intention of deceiving the electorate about what Obama stands for. They knew precisely what they were doing. I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were still doing it, and afterwards. How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some couples evolution? And then there is the demonic confrontations... Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once again. What do you do then Feste? That is not Vaj's perception. Vaj knows better. Vaj is attempting to impose perceptions he knows will be detrimental to Robin on the rest of us--perceptions Vaj knows are false. If you don't get that you're his target audience Feste, then maybe it's because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you've missed their very presence. Utter bullshit. I think feste is very much aware of the crosshairs Vaj has placed on him. They're remarkably crude, and entirely malicious. I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. I would think you two (and many here) share some similar or even same sentimental moments. R's sentimentality should appeal to many TM folk.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him. You are correct, it's not Maharishi that he's rejected, it's TM. No, Emily, it's very definitely both. The second quote is a testament from Robin that he is committed to seeing where the conversation evolves to. Right. And...? From: authfriend jstein@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 3:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story  Not sure what your point here is, Emily. Rather than have me guess, could you give me a clue? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: snipàYou would think, given that Robin has so radically rejectedTM, that they'd want to make common cause with him. Robin quotes: àI still experience that there is almost as much Maharishi inside of me as there is me. I don't like it; but that is the consequence of the awesome change he wrought in me. I believe I would be one-half the person I am now able to be if it were not for meeting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and coming under the tremendous metaphysical integrity of his personality and his consciousness. Secondly, I am not a doctrinaireââ¬at least in the sense that I would ever allow what I believed in to spare me the existential tension, dissonance, ordeal of perhaps realizing, in contemplating I could be wrong in those beliefs (wrong here means: they do not correspond with reality), that someone elseââ¬even empty billââ¬is right. From: authfriend jstein@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! As I understand it, he was barred legally from entering Jefferson County--I assume that's still in effect, not sure--but it had nothing to do with criminality; it was part of the outcome of MIU's lawsuit against him back in 1983. My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. And Vaj isn't willing to say why he hates Robin so much. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. Of course he isn't. Targeting them for what? Why? Vaj knows that's nonsense, but he's hoping others don't. He wants to make folks leery of talking to Robin. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? Exactly. I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. Why he makes a few people here freak out is a mystery to me. But interestingly, it's the same few people who are in the habit of making this forum unpleasant for the TMers here. You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in listeningvia email. Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost adulation! This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm. Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming people.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Seems a bit nutty to me, Vaj, quite honestly. It's like you've invented a demon that no one else can see. I don't know what you mean by weaving the same old patterns. What patterns might those be? As for selecting a target audience, that's what all writers (and posters here) surely do. We all want an audience, we all want to be read. Otherwise, why bother? You have a target audience here on FFL, too, and I don't see anything wrong with that. But as far as your attitude to Robin is concerned, I would have hoped that the passage of time would have softened your views. It's nearly 30 years ago now! I can't see that Robin has done anything on FFL that would justify the level of venom you display toward him. He's contributed a lot to this forum. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, feste37 feste37@... wrote: So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in the most relative terms, in our life. So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused friends to be expelled from college, some just before graduation, all that I talked to went on an inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and worth risking their young careers, their young lives. How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have talked to the students that were tricked into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were still doing it, and afterwards. How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some couples evolution? And then there is the demonic confrontations... Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once again. What do you do then Feste? If you don't get that you're his target audience Feste, then maybe it's because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you've missed their very presence. I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. I would think you two (and many here) share some similar or even same sentimental moments. R's sentimentality should appeal to many TM folk.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: snip You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him. You are correct, it's not Maharishi that he's rejected, it's TM. No, Emily, it's very definitely both. Perhaps this will clarify. You quoted Robin: snip I still experience that there is almost as much Maharishi inside of me as there is me. I don't like it; but that is the consequence of the awesome change he wrought in me. I believe I would be one-half the person I am now able to be if it were not for meeting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and coming under the tremendous metaphysical integrity of his personality and his consciousness. He wrote this paragraph in a post to Share. But he went on to say: I don't believe anyone can ever become objective about Maharishi, and find the truthful perspective on him without holding within themselves that highest experience of appreciation for him (they once had), while at the same time, realizing that Maharishi did not even begin to deliver on his promise to us, that in some fatal way he was flawed as a person, most especially as a being holding inside himself the truth about Creation. There's the rejection.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, feste37 feste37@... wrote: So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in the most relative terms, in our life. So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused friends to be expelled from college Only MIU could expel people. some just before graduation, all that I talked to went on an inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and worth risking their young careers, their young lives. The word young makes my eyes water. And oh, what fun they had. I'll bet a degree from MIU was worth the risk. How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have talked to the students that were tricked How tricked? Everyone is a free agent. These were intelligent, sensitive, strong men. They were adventurers. Nothing in this life is without risk. into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were still doing it, and afterwards. So what are they doing now? How are they? Did they survive? Are they still curled up in the fetal position, inconsolable? How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some couples evolution? Not the same as undertaking the procedure. As I said, everyone is a free agent. Choice, Vaj, choice. No guns to anyone's head. And then there is the demonic confrontations... That ... implies so much here. Left to the reader's imagination. Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once again. What do you do then Feste? We know what you do Vaj. If you don't get that you're his target audience Feste, then maybe it's because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you've missed their very presence. OK, if I had said that I would immediately be branded a DQ, or as Tea said, a melodramatic Queen. I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. I would think you two (and many here) share some similar or even same sentimental moments. R's sentimentality should appeal to many TM folk. I think you are the one who is sentimental, reminiscing on so many old times. In fact, I would go so far as to say obsessing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Feisty, you've done it again. I'm liking you more and more. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Seems a bit nutty to me, Vaj, quite honestly. It's like you've invented a demon that no one else can see. I don't know what you mean by weaving the same old patterns. What patterns might those be? As for selecting a target audience, that's what all writers (and posters here) surely do. We all want an audience, we all want to be read. Otherwise, why bother? You have a target audience here on FFL, too, and I don't see anything wrong with that. But as far as your attitude to Robin is concerned, I would have hoped that the passage of time would have softened your views. It's nearly 30 years ago now! I can't see that Robin has done anything on FFL that would justify the level of venom you display toward him. He's contributed a lot to this forum. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, feste37 feste37@ wrote: So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. I have never had the impression that Robin is targeting anyone. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in the most relative terms, in our life. So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused friends to be expelled from college, some just before graduation, all that I talked to went on an inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and worth risking their young careers, their young lives. How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have talked to the students that were tricked into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were still doing it, and afterwards. How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some couples evolution? And then there is the demonic confrontations... Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once again. What do you do then Feste? If you don't get that you're his target audience Feste, then maybe it's because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you've missed their very presence. I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. I would think you two (and many here) share some similar or even same sentimental moments. R's sentimentality should appeal to many TM folk.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Feeling very Echo y here (-: Fun to read you and Xeno, also you and Cricket. As for that other post, as Jerry Seinfeld would say, I'm not making this up, there's been a woman in the Dome for about a month now who looks EXACTLY like that nurse! She used to sit right in front of me and give me the thumbs up when she stepped over me to get to her backjack. Looking like a dark haired Anjolie Joli and acting like jolly hockey sticks. It's a funny old world for sure... From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJaNSXlYuQ Robert Goulet could sing (and is Canadian), but this is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya46wfeWqJk
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Good grief, Vaj has his insane Robin-hatred on again. Nobody knows why he loathes Robin so much, and Vaj refuses to say. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: snip Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, Says Vaj, starting right out with a lie, one anybody who reads the traffic *knows* is a lie. There's no new bunch of TMers here. The only TMer newbie to FFL Robin's been talking to is Share. one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. Not from everything I've read and heard, nope, not even remotely. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus Another lie. He's rejected Catholicism and has made that clear as crystal. - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. Let's nominate this for one of the vicious posts that Barry's been demanding examples of. I think we can all agree that out-of-jail pedophile at a playground is about as vicious as it gets. Grooming TMers? For what? Obviously not for TM. Which automatically rules out any similarity to what he was doing at MIU almost 30 years ago. If you haven't been reading Robin's posts, Vaj, why on earth are you even talking about them? I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine Which routine is that, Vaj? And what about Emily? She likes him, and she's not a TMer. (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!). Not too likely Opus Dei fans would fall for the routine of an apostate from Catholicism. Just compare the tone and honesty of Vaj's posts to those of Robin's posts, and you have a really clear idea of what kind of person each of them is. Why is Vaj so threatened by Robin discussing his philosophy? Why can't Robin be allowed to do what everyone else here does all the time without being vilified and lied about?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
I was wondering *who* the new bunch of TM'ers might be. Vaj, a sincere apology for your ugly analogy is needed from you. Way beyond the pale. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 8:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story Good grief, Vaj has his insane Robin-hatred on again. Nobody knows why he loathes Robin so much, and Vaj refuses to say. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: snip Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, Says Vaj, starting right out with a lie, one anybody who reads the traffic *knows* is a lie. There's no new bunch of TMers here. The only TMer newbie to FFL Robin's been talking to is Share. one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. Not from everything I've read and heard, nope, not even remotely. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus Another lie. He's rejected Catholicism and has made that clear as crystal. - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. Let's nominate this for one of the vicious posts that Barry's been demanding examples of. I think we can all agree that out-of-jail pedophile at a playground is about as vicious as it gets. Grooming TMers? For what? Obviously not for TM. Which automatically rules out any similarity to what he was doing at MIU almost 30 years ago. If you haven't been reading Robin's posts, Vaj, why on earth are you even talking about them? I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine Which routine is that, Vaj? And what about Emily? She likes him, and she's not a TMer. (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!). Not too likely Opus Dei fans would fall for the routine of an apostate from Catholicism. Just compare the tone and honesty of Vaj's posts to those of Robin's posts, and you have a really clear idea of what kind of person each of them is. Why is Vaj so threatened by Robin discussing his philosophy? Why can't Robin be allowed to do what everyone else here does all the time without being vilified and lied about?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. Oh Vaj, Vaj, Vaj. I was hardly innocent. I wasn't looking for anything except something unique, intelligent, exciting and new. So don't start defining categorically the characteristics of those who found and followed and engaged Mr Carlsen. I was no babe in the woods and hardly without smarts so you can just stuff that little assertion of yours back in the junk pile where it belongs. It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. You groom horses Vaj. Or maybe it is you who is feeling the siren call of Robin. It would be for the first time then. Unfortunately I think you're a little late joining the queue. It wound itself down 25 years ago. But I have some great old pictures if you want to relive some great old times. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!). What does this falling for it look like? Perhaps you are mistaking civilized exchange for adulation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJaNSXlYuQ Someone sent this to me, suggesting kindly that it reminded him of nothing on FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle,and might do the same for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2wutEzjy_E
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJaNSXlYuQ Robert Goulet could sing (and is Canadian), but this is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya46wfeWqJk
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJaNSXlYuQ More (not for Buck'e eyes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbHcR3JjLyofeature=youtu.be
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Ha ha haRobin, Robin, Robinmethinks you are channeling the esteemed Mr. Price here with this one, for sure. Send him my regards. From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJaNSXlYuQ More (not for Buck'e eyes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbHcR3JjLyofeature=youtu.be
