[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
Well, I think according to the naasadiiya-suukta of Rgveda (X 129,
Hymn of Creation) there was time before the Big Bang:
naasadaasiinnosadaasiit tadaaniim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofdJ5sZIVbI
(na asat aasiit na u sat aasiit tadaaniim)
There was (aasiit) not (na) the non-existent (a-sat)
nor (no na u) the existent (sat) *then* (tadaaniim).
tadAnIm ind. (Pa1n2. 5-3 , 19) at that time , then (cf. %{id-}) RV. x , 129 ,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:
Share,
The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's
asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big
Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of
God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a
prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such
statements?
JR
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to
learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also
her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand
the role of gravity in relation to time.
I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage.Â
Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a
sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees
and ground and sound waves. But thinking of time without space is for me
like contemplating a zen koan. Very fun.
I was fascinated that she ended the talk with a reference to neuroscience
and how progress in that field may hold the key to our understanding time
itself. Thanks for posting.Â
From: John jr_esq@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No
Space
Â
A German physicist said so. Is she right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACS1_5jyvHE
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, I've thought the same way and I like your phrase the potential for sound. For the sake of discussion, I'd like to step even further back and ask, If a tree is *in* a forest, and there's nobody there to see or experience it, does it really exist? I'm finding this line of reasoning helps to clarify my understanding of consciousness as the *potential* for existence, and that different parts of creation, through the tools that each has, interpret this potential in many different ways, hence the vast diversity of creation: a human turns the potential (is not relative) sound vibrations into a sound (now relative) through the tools of our ears. And if enlightenment is nothing more than the realization of the potential for all existence along with existence itself, then the question becomes, for me at least, for what reason?  But thinking of time without space is for me like contemplating a zen koan. Very fun. I was fascinated that she ended the talk with a reference to neuroscience and how progress in that field may hold the key to our understanding time itself. Thanks for posting. From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  A German physicist said so. Is she right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACS1_5jyvHE
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. Thanks John but I still have to argue that sound is produced by waves of moving air. It doesn't become a sound until it comes into contact with just the right element or physical entity. If sound waves were produced and only hit inanimate matter, matter without a means to transform that wave into what we recognize and define as sound, then it is just the potential for sound. It is not realized until it comes into contact with just the right thing (an ear). It is kind of like a cheese sandwich sitting on a plate. Until someone picks it up and puts it in their mouth it has no taste. It has the potential for taste but until it hits some taste buds it is just an object sitting on a plate. Simple explanation of sound I found: Sounds are an invisible form of energy. You can't see sound and you can't see air--but you know it's there. That's because sound is air molecules pushing into one another. When someone or something makes a sound, the air molecules around it vibrate, or move back and forth, and they push into the molecules in front of them. This starts a chain reaction. Imagine if you drop a rock into a pond. The water ripples outward around the rock because the rock is pushing the water around it. That's what sound is. In fact, sound is a kind of wave--similar to the waves in the ocean. Sound waves travel through the air by vibrating, or moving, the particles of matter in the air. If there were no particles in the air, there would be no sound made. In outer space, there are no particles in the air. In fact, there is no air in outer space. This means that there can be no sound in outer space. Sound is created when the following criteria are satisfied. 1.An object vibrates. 2.The object must be in contact with the air. 3.The air must be in contact with the listener. 4.The air contact between the source and listener must be continuous, without a vacuum gap. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? Very good question and one that seems germane at the moment, given the discussion with Curtis (well, maybe not a discussion, he was clearly a little grumpy about me not finding Jesus being euthanized instead of hung on a cross joke funny) about different audiences. I think smiley faces are compensations for the fact you can't show someone how you feel by a tone of voice or facial expression. They are either used to communicate the fact that what one just wrote was without malice or they are used (as in Barry's case) all the time so I don't know what they mean. And as we know, you can throw something out there you think is funny but God only knows what the other guy thinks about it so then we can get into a large subject of what is humour; is there an absolute or pure form that means everyone will find something/it funny or is it completely relative like art or virtually everything else we perceive as individuals on the planet? But back to that smiley face. I don't trust those. I think they are devious little devils which pop up under all kinds of situations and masquerade as friendly. In fact, I would go so far as to say the civilization and culture as we know it today is being undermined and destroyed by the colon and left-facing parantheses signs juxtaposed in the way that they are ( oh, that and the word awesome). Beware these two forces in our midst - they will be our undoing. From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this.àBeing a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently.àAlso her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage.àKind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound.àTo that I say yes.àBecause of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Share, Yes, Consciousness is everywhere even in a rock or in another tree. As such, a sound of a falling tree will be heard in a place without humans or humanoids. And, the laws of physics are preserved. However, that sound will be perceived differently by a rock and a human. JR Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this.àBeing a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently.àAlso her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage.àKind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound.àTo that I say yes.àBecause of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
the rocks are listening to everything we say as we amble through the forum forest and into Gaia they tap their SOS From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Share, Yes, Consciousness is everywhere even in a rock or in another tree. As such, a sound of a falling tree will be heard in a place without humans or humanoids. And, the laws of physics are preserved. However, that sound will be perceived differently by a rock and a human. JR Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:
Well, I think according to the naasadiiya-suukta of Rgveda (X 129,
Hymn of Creation) there was time before the Big Bang:
naasadaasiinnosadaasiit tadaaniim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofdJ5sZIVbI
(na asat aasiit na u sat aasiit tadaaniim)
There was (aasiit) not (na) the non-existent (a-sat)
nor (no na u) the existent (sat) *then* (tadaaniim).
tadAnIm ind. (Pa1n2. 5-3 , 19) at that time , then (cf. %{id-}) RV. x ,
129 ,
Card,
The video clip you provided showed time was created after space was created. :)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
Share,
The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's
asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big
Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of
God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there
a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such
statements?
JR
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to
learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also
her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me
understand the role of gravity in relation to time.
I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its
passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people,
does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical
properties of trees and ground and sound waves. But thinking of time
without space is for me like contemplating a zen koan. Very fun.
I was fascinated that she ended the talk with a reference to neuroscience
and how progress in that field may hold the key to our understanding time
itself. Thanks for posting.Â
From: John jr_esq@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No
Space
Â
A German physicist said so. Is she right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACS1_5jyvHE
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
Share, I want to say that although I don't understand most of what you say, I do really enjoy your poetry. Have a lovely day. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space the rocks are listening to everything we say as we amble through the forum forest and into Gaia they tap their SOS From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Share, Yes, Consciousness is everywhere even in a rock or in another tree. As such, a sound of a falling tree will be heard in a place without humans or humanoids. And, the laws of physics are preserved. However, that sound will be perceived differently by a rock and a human. JR Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: the rocks are listening to everything we say as we amble through the forum forest and into Gaia they tap their SOS Share, I can hear poetry and humor ringing in my ears. Maybe the rocks will too. :) From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this.àAnd I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound.àThis makes sense.àThen I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear?àAnd I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John.àBut isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved?àAnd are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Share, Yes, Consciousness is everywhere even in a rock or in another tree. As such, a sound of a falling tree will be heard in a place without humans or humanoids. And, the laws of physics are preserved. However, that sound will be perceived differently by a rock and a human. JR Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions.àAnyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above.àHere's another question:àin the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc.àhas humor occurred? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this.ÃâàBeing a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently.ÃâàAlso her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage.ÃâàKind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound.ÃâàTo that I say yes.ÃâàBecause of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
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Awesome! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? Very good question and one that seems germane at the moment, given the discussion with Curtis (well, maybe not a discussion, he was clearly a little grumpy about me not finding Jesus being euthanized instead of hung on a cross joke funny) about different audiences. I think smiley faces are compensations for the fact you can't show someone how you feel by a tone of voice or facial expression. They are either used to communicate the fact that what one just wrote was without malice or they are used (as in Barry's case) all the time so I don't know what they mean. And as we know, you can throw something out there you think is funny but God only knows what the other guy thinks about it so then we can get into a large subject of what is humour; is there an absolute or pure form that means everyone will find something/it funny or is it completely relative like art or virtually everything else we perceive as individuals on the planet? But back to that smiley face. I don't trust those. I think they are devious little devils which pop up under all kinds of situations and masquerade as friendly. In fact, I would go so far as to say the civilization and culture as we know it today is being undermined and destroyed by the colon and left-facing parantheses signs juxtaposed in the way that they are ( oh, that and the word awesome). Beware these two forces in our midst - they will be our undoing. From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this.àBeing a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently.àAlso her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage.àKind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound.àTo that I say yes.àBecause of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of
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Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. But thinking of time without space is for me like contemplating a zen koan. Very fun. I was fascinated that she ended the talk with a reference to neuroscience and how progress in that field may hold the key to our understanding time itself. Thanks for posting. From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  A German physicist said so. Is she right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACS1_5jyvHE
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?)  But thinking of time without space is for me like contemplating a zen koan. Very fun. I was fascinated that she ended the talk with a reference to neuroscience and how progress in that field may hold the key to our understanding time itself. Thanks for posting. From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  A German physicist said so. Is she right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACS1_5jyvHE
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Seems like time and space form an inextricable matrix*, like a cross in 2D, time vertical, space horizontal, with an identity dot stuck somewhere at the center. If the identity dot on the matrix expands, we have a lot more access to all the time/space points in the matrix. So, although time cannot be cleaved from space, except as an impossible abstraction, we can, according to the time and space our identity absorbs, move more or less freely along either the space line, or time line, or combination of the two (the cosmic etch-a-sketch - ha-ha). Forward time, and stationary space, are no longer a given. *not talking about any relationship to the movie(s). lol. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?)  But thinking of time without space is for me like contemplating a zen koan. Very fun. I was fascinated that she ended the talk with a reference to neuroscience and how progress in that field may hold the key to our understanding time itself. Thanks for posting. From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  A German physicist said so. Is she right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACS1_5jyvHE
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
