Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
Fairfield, Iowa. Om, well word out on the Fairfield streets and in the coffee shops is that there are meditators selling irrevocable trusts that are of a sketchy kind, in cahoots too with an infamous security trader.. . Also published in the local paper too, there was a warning article written with practical advice about schemes involving speculating and leveraging in Iranian currency. That is a hot topic too with some of our fringe teaparty meditators too. Law enforcement here has been getting complaints of scamming of people's money. Evidently the AttGen and IRS are looking at what is going on here and being sold to people. Apparently there have been some 300 of these trusts sold to Fairfudlians. .. .Everybody's doing it doing it.. . http://www.assetprotectionattorneys.com/Domestic_Asset_Protection/Irrevocable_Trusts.aspx Avoid Trust Shams Also know which trusts to avoid. Promoters of pure trusts, common law trusts or constitutional trusts ensnare a gullible public. These promoters claim that these trusts predate our tax laws and are immune from taxation. Or they claim their trusts can lawsuit-proof your assets. The tax claims are nearly always bogus. Pure trusts are shams. They won’t give you a legitimate tax benefit, or other benefits beyond what you could get from other trusts. The IRS has challenged these abusive trusts and penalized their promoters and taxpayers who unlawfully used these trusts to avoid taxes. A grantor trust requires the grantor to pay taxes on the trust income. An irrevocable trust pays the taxes on its income. In either case, taxes are payable on trust earnings. A trust is generally not the way to avoid income taxes. Can a pure trust creditor-proof your assets? Possibly. The answer depends on whether the trust is irrevocable and whether you surrendered control over the trust. The asset protection and tax benefits that one can derive from any trust will be based solely on its terms and characteristics of the trust, not the name of the trust. Most pure trusts are simple, revocable grantor or nominee trusts. They compare to living trusts. They will give you neither asset protection nor tax benefits. Avoid organizations or promoters who claim their trust enjoys special powers or immunities. Have your attorney prepare or review your trusts. You want your trust to give you every benefit that you expect - not huge tax troubles. 'Free N. Flourishing' publishing here it seems possibly can tell us more, https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/378413 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/378413 “Not Me.” I's just tells it like I's hears it, -Buck on the Street This same thing of some bad behavior of some plagued the early Mormon movement when they showed up on the frontier in Illinois at Nauvoo to settle and build their Shining City on the Hill overlooking the Mississippi River. Well, not wishing to distract from the central subject of this here subject thread but; there were some Mormon people in their larger community who were real operators. Swindlers of locals and farmers in business dealings, stealing horses and such too. Bad people. Word spread about the Mormons hold up there in Nauvoo. That reputation generated by a few really bad ones was put on the larger group of Mormons and subsequently was part of what came along in to a frontier justice served them that was the demise of Joseph Smith and resulted in a negotiated removal of Mormons generally from Illinois then for their own safety because the State could not guarantee their safety at the time. The bad behavior of a few. . [Not that the locals then did not have some of their own bad ones too, as like even in some locals in Fairfield today too.] -Buck Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Fairfield, Iowa. Om, well word out on the Fairfield streets and in the coffee shops is that there are meditators selling irrevocable trusts that are of a sketchy kind, in cahoots too with an infamous security trader.. . Also published in the local paper too, there was a warning article written with practical advice about schemes involving speculating and leveraging in Iranian currency. That is a hot topic too with some of our fringe teaparty meditators too. Law enforcement here has been getting complaints of scamming of people's money. Evidently the AttGen and IRS are looking at what is going on here and being sold to people. Apparently there have been some 300 of these trusts sold to Fairfudlians. .. .Everybody's doing it doing it.. . The predators are counting on the fact that there's a sucker incarnated at least every minute. http://www.assetprotectionattorneys.com/Domestic_Asset_Protection/Irrevocable_Trusts.aspx Avoid Trust Shams Also know which trusts to avoid. Promoters of pure trusts, common law trusts or constitutional trusts ensnare a gullible public. These promoters claim that these trusts predate our tax laws and are immune from taxation. Or they claim their trusts can lawsuit-proof your assets. The tax claims are nearly always bogus. Pure trusts are shams. They won’t give you a legitimate tax benefit, or other benefits beyond what you could get from other trusts. The IRS has challenged these abusive trusts and penalized their promoters and taxpayers who unlawfully used these trusts to avoid taxes. A grantor trust requires the grantor to pay taxes on the trust income. An irrevocable trust pays the taxes on its income. In either case, taxes are payable on trust earnings. A trust is generally not the way to avoid income taxes. Can a pure trust creditor-proof your assets? Possibly. The answer depends on whether the trust is irrevocable and whether you surrendered control over the trust. The asset protection and tax benefits that one can derive from any trust will be based solely on its terms and characteristics of the trust, not the name of the trust. Most pure trusts are simple, revocable grantor or nominee trusts. They compare to living trusts. They will give you neither asset protection nor tax benefits. Avoid organizations or promoters who claim their trust enjoys special powers or immunities. Have your attorney prepare or review your trusts. You want your trust to give you every benefit that you expect - not huge tax troubles. 'Free N. Flourishing' publishing here it seems possibly can tell us more, https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/378413 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/378413 “Not Me.” I's just tells it like I's hears it, -Buck on the Street This same thing of some bad behavior of some plagued the early Mormon movement when they showed up on the frontier in Illinois at Nauvoo to settle and build their Shining City on the Hill overlooking the Mississippi River. Well, not wishing to distract from the central subject of this here subject thread but; there were some Mormon people in their larger community who were real operators. Swindlers of locals and farmers in business dealings, stealing horses and such too. Bad people. Word spread about the Mormons hold up there in Nauvoo. That reputation generated by a few really bad ones was put on the larger group of Mormons and subsequently was part of what came along in to a frontier justice served them that was the demise of Joseph Smith and resulted in a negotiated removal of Mormons generally from Illinois then for their own safety because the State could not guarantee their safety at the time. The bad behavior of a few. . [Not that the locals then did not have some of their own bad ones too, as like even in some locals in Fairfield today too.] -Buck Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
“We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson County area.” The people listed on this venture capital project seem successful community people who evidently are practically looking out for Fairfield, Iowa Life. Most you don't live here; however while the rest of rural America is in decline and de-population Jefferson County, Iowa has fortunately bucked that trend. This is high-minded pro-active thinking on their parts of community-minded elders looking ahead for the local economy where we live. -U.S. Buck in the Dome Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people. -Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! . . . .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
Meditating Fairfield, Iowa [1974-2014.. .] There are times when the world asks ordinary people to do extraordinary things. The Fairfield Meditating Community: “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson County area.” The people listed on this venture capital project seem successful community people who evidently are practically looking out for Fairfield, Iowa Life. Most you don't live here; however while the rest of rural America is in decline and de-population Jefferson County, Iowa has fortunately bucked that trend. This is high-minded pro-active thinking on their parts of community-minded elders looking ahead for the local economy where we live. -U.S. Buck in the Dome Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people. -Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! . . . . .O
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
This same thing of some bad behavior of some plagued the early Mormon movement when they showed up on the frontier in Illinois at Nauvoo to settle and build their Shining City on the Hill overlooking the Mississippi River. Well, not wishing to distract from the central subject of this here subject thread but; there were some Mormon people in their larger community who were real operators. Swindlers of locals and farmers in business dealings, stealing horses and such too. Bad people. Word spread about the Mormons hold up there in Nauvoo. That reputation generated by a few really bad ones was put on the larger group of Mormons and subsequently was part of what came along in to a frontier justice served them that was the demise of Joseph Smith and resulted in a negotiated removal of Mormons generally from Illinois then for their own safety because the State could not guarantee their safety at the time. The bad behavior of a few. . [Not that the locals then did not have some of their own bad ones too, as like even in Fairfield today.] -Buck Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people. -Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line,
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that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on TM
is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear with
the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by regular TM
and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems will go away if
one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as commit
suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target students
for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud (like
Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about the
behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong with
them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay it off
on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM and
its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO and say there
are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those
factors, that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by the
Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So you have to
make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for
some people and some people are very decent folks whom I have known who are
True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM. As to TM teachers, its the
same thing. If they would have been decent people without TM, they are with TM
and if they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not seen
him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence course I
ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit
answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he treated everyone
he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta
TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence course was an arrogant,
abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch and while I have not seen him in years
either, I bet he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except for
one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene Speigel,
Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that
arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve? The
one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons of bitches and
those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM makes no dent in
one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is much like Nazi
Germany, those who were most like the leader -arrogant, abusive, elitist seem
to rise to the top levels of the TMO - must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel nice
inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes mental
instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay
it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the rubber never
meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make excuses for the
practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that TMSP
will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to make that happen, but
I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait.
On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM
Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen
anywhere in a
people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing
illumined.
There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in
any
person. People are born in to the temple as the human
nervous system
that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM]
like
consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then
there are
the families and communities they are born in to. We should
not
overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of
some of
those even in the TM movement to explain some of their
behavior aside
from some factors around illumination on a scale of
consciousness.
Yep,
actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a
lot
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
Michael, you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here and I
wonder when was the last time you had direct contact with them. I know most of
the people on your list, and have had my disagreements with a few of them. But
based on my current contact with them, I'd say they are really good people,
like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are dedicated to making the
world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say such negative things about
people with whom you haven't had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems
down right, very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on TM
is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear with
the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by regular TM
and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems will go away if
one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as commit
suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target students
for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud (like
Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about the
behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong with
them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay it off
on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM and
its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO and say there
are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those
factors, that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by the
Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So you have to
make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for
some people and some people are very decent folks whom I have known who are
True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM. As to TM teachers, its the
same thing. If they would have been decent people without TM, they are with TM
and if they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not seen
him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence course I
ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit
answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he treated everyone
he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta
TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence course was an arrogant,
abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch and while I have not seen him in years
either, I bet he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except for
one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene Speigel,
Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that
arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve? The
one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons of bitches and
those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM makes no dent in
one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is much like Nazi
Germany, those who were most like the leader -arrogant, abusive, elitist seem
to rise to the top levels of the TMO - must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel nice
inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes mental
instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay
it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the rubber never
meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make excuses for the
practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that TMSP
will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to make that happen, but
I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait.
On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM
Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen
anywhere in a
people at any
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: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people.-Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes:I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd beashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars andthieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! ..
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desire to make that happen, but I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait. On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people.-Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes:I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd beashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars andthieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! ..
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to other problems too - you can lay it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the rubber never meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make excuses for the practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that TMSP will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to make that happen, but I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait. On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people.-Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes:I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd beashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars andthieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn
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From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund As much as I appreciate your call for decency it seems you've fallen in the same trap as the Turq who believe there are tons of lurkers here eagerly awaiting his raps. There aren't. Only a handful of people read this stuff. While this may be true, I happen to know that at least four of them are reporters, because they have written to me offline asking me to comment on stories they're working on. You forget about Google, and how it tends to make recent discussions of the thing you're researching pop to the top of its hit list. For the record, I have steered all four of them to more appropriate sources for the information they're seeking, since I haven't been part of the TM organization for so long. I am hoping that at least a few of them will finally break the story of the pandit project as the multi-million-dollar profit-making machine it really is, raking in the Big Bucks for yagyas while paying the pandits pennies. *Literally* pennies...a maximum of 63 cents per hour. That is the story that Goldstein and the TMO tried the hardest to hide during the recent pandit riots furor, so that is the story that most needs to come out.
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For the record, I have steered all four of them to more appropriate sources for the information they're seeking Good for you, hopefully this will make you feel even more special and make you receive plenty of pats from your Buddhist Overlords.
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Buddhist overlords, is that Maitreya again? He's a Buddha. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : For the record, I have steered all four of them to more appropriate sources for the information they're seeking Good for you, hopefully this will make you feel even more special and make you receive plenty of pats from your Buddhist Overlords.
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Is this another one? Edg, I think it's called Obamacare. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH!
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except for protecting the pundits on the campus of MUM - Maharishi University of Mummery. Protect the pundits from what - getting sent back to India? On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: except for protecting the pundits on the campus of MUM - Maharishi University of Mummery. On Mon, 3/31/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 2:08 PM Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung write: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! .
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professors who target students for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout
John Hagelin)
Is there any evidence of any professors targeting students for sex at MUM.
You do seem to know a lot about Hegelin's private sex life. What were you
doing in John's bedroom?
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on
TM is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear
with the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by
regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems
will go away if one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu
designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as
commit suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target
students for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud
(like Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about
the behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according
to you have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong
with them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay
it off on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated
with TM and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO
and say there are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM
corrects those factors, that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by
the Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM
works AS ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So
you have to make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an
enjoyable practice for some people and some people are very decent folks
whom I have known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM.
As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would have been decent
people without TM, they are with TM and if they are asses without TM, they
will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not
seen him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence
course I ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give
bullshit answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in
charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of
the TM Centers in several South Eastern states and who taught my third
residence course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch
and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet he still is - has
nothing to do with TM either way. Except for one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene
Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan
Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member
him Steve? The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons
of bitches and those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM
makes no dent in one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and
that is much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like the leader
-arrogant, abusive, elitist seem to rise to the top levels of the TMO -
must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel
nice inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes
mental instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too -
you can lay it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the
rubber never meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make
excuses for the practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David
believe that TMSP will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to
make that happen, but I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait.
On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM
Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen
anywhere in a
people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing
illumined.
There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in
any
person. People are born in to the temple as the human
nervous system
that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM]
like
consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then
there are
the families and communities they are born
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as you wait. On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people.-Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes:I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd beashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars andthieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! ..
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is concerned and you have to make excuses for the practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that TMSP will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to make that happen, but I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait. On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people.-Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes:I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd beashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars andthieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! ..
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natural sons of bitches and those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM makes no dent in one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like the leader -arrogant, abusive, elitist seem to rise to the top levels of the TMO - must be collective karma. Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel nice inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes mental instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the rubber never meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make excuses for the practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that TMSP will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to make that happen, but I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait. On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people.-Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes:I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd beashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars andthieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based
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I hope Barry told the reporters all about the levitation events and other flashy stuff that Rama demonstrated - that would be far more interesting for the reporters to write about that the pundit boy riot in Iowa. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:32 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:18 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund As much as I appreciate your call for decency it seems you've fallen in the same trap as the Turq who believe there are tons of lurkers here eagerly awaiting his raps. There aren't. Only a handful of people read this stuff. While this may be true, I happen to know that at least four of them are reporters, because they have written to me offline asking me to comment on stories they're working on. You forget about Google, and how it tends to make recent discussions of the thing you're researching pop to the top of its hit list. For the record, I have steered all four of them to more appropriate sources for the information they're seeking, since I haven't been part of the TM organization for so long. I am hoping that at least a few of them will finally break the story of the pandit project as the multi-million-dollar profit-making machine it really is, raking in the Big Bucks for yagyas while paying the pandits pennies. *Literally* pennies...a maximum of 63 cents per hour. That is the story that Goldstein and the TMO tried the hardest to hide during the recent pandit riots furor, so that is the story that most needs to come out.
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to make excuses for the practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that TMSP will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to make that happen, but I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait. On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people.-Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes:I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd beashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars andthieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! ..
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everyone has the capacity to be both nice and nasty - I have already shared all
my unpleasant experiences about each of these individuals here on FFL
On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:46 PM
Michael,
you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here
and I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact
with them. I know most of the people on your list, and have
had my disagreements with a few of them. But based on my
current contact with them, I'd say they are really good
people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are
dedicated to making the world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say
such negative things about people with whom you haven't
had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems down right,
very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1,
2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with
people who do TM - the PR on TM is that it improves life on
ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional, relationships and
the implication is made that money issues will disappear
with the improved all around functioning of the individual
brought on by regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out
stated that money problems will go away if one has MAHARISHI
yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do
unfortunate things such as commit suicide and do bad things
like rape, robbery, professors who target students for sex
(that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin)
commit fraud (like Beckley) - you yourself David have
complained loudly and often about the behavior of Bevan
Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have
anything wrong with them that can be attributed to the
practice itself, so you have to lay it off on factors that,
by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM
and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and
the TMO and say there are mitigating factors. If its
upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those factors,
that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er?
Those more esoterically minded lay it off on personal
karma yet we have been told by the Grand Liar Marshy
that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it
doesn't. So you have to make excuses. I have always
acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for some
people and some people are very decent folks whom I have
known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do
TM. As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would
have been decent people without TM, they are with TM and if
they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC
- I have not seen him in many years, but when I first met
him on the first residence course I ever took, he was a down
to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit answers
to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene
Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it
was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence
course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a
bitch and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet
he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except
for one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches
like Gene Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and
Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil
Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve?
The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural
sons of bitches and those who are naturally nice people
remain nice people - TM makes no dent in one's
personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is
much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like the leader
-arrogant, abusive, elitist seem to rise to the top levels
of the TMO - must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some
people feel nice inside themselves, sometimes for decades.
The same practice causes mental instability, emotional
problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay it
off on their personal karma or whatever you
like, but the rubber never meets the road where TM is
concerned and you have to make
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
or whatever you like, but the rubber never meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make excuses for the practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that TMSP will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to make that happen, but I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait. On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people.-Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes:I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd beashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars andthieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! ..
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If you feel like reading a bit you can find here the roots of all Benjy Creme's baloney blather about Maitreya, ripped off from CW Leadbeater - here is a snippet: Much to the distress of Krishnamurti’s father – who considered Leadbeater to be a predatory menace and corrupting influence towards all young boys – Leadbeater and Besant eventually managed to seize custody of the boy and the next twenty years were spent carefully grooming and training him – some might instead be inclined to call it brainwashing – for his eventual “mission.” For further details of this period, see Tillett’s book or any in depth biographies of Krishnamurti. Suffice it to say that just as Leadbeater, Besant, and thousands of Theosophists around the world were expecting Krishnamurti to begin publicly fulfilling his role, thus allowing the Coming of Maitreya/Christ to occur, the boy, now grown into an intelligent and capable young man, shocked them all in 1929 by delivering a speech in which he abdicated the position, assuring his listeners that he was not the vessel for “Christ-Maitreya” and that in fact there was no Christ-Maitreya after all, and subsequently separated himself from the Theosophists. When asked some fifty years later to share his reminiscences about Leadbeater, he replied, “All I will say about that man is that he was EVIL.” http://blavatskytheosophy.com/maitreya-in-the-light-of-real-theosophy/ On Tue, 4/1/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 3:48 PM For the record, I have steered all four of them to more appropriate sources for the information they're seeking Good for you, hopefully this will make you feel even more special and make you receive plenty of pats from your Buddhist Overlords.
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The path of enlightenment ends in a number of ways. One can get tired of it and just drop the whole thing out of disinterest. One can die or become mentally incapacitated. And there are two forms of disillusionment. One is it didn't work out as expected, with a feeling of grave disappointment resulting from the discovery that it was not nearly as good as one believed it would be or worse. The other is it didn't work out as expected, but the disillusionment is the kind that was originally intended by the word enlightenment, and then things are pretty much as they always were, and OK. It seems to me MJ is pissed and has a long term grudge because he was fired from MIU for not going to the dome, and that not going to the dome had a valid medical reason. Most employees in the United States work 'at will' which means that a person can be fired for any reason that is not illegal. MJ's firing seems to be in an interesting grey area legally, and it probably could not have been fleshed out without a lawsuit to test the case. Most people on staff in the movement though, as 'serfs', do not have the resources to challenge the movement's sometimes bizarre decisions. Going to the dome as a condition of employment, regardless of the unsupportability of the hypothesis for going there, and yet being exposed to hazardous substances there that require medical intervention would be an interesting test case. As with everyone else, people working and administering in cults and other peculiar organisations are just getting through the day. If they do strange and dark things, they probably do not see it that way at all, they are just getting though another day with whatever resources are available to them. Sometimes the mind cannot let go even when the situation is clear it is never going to be resolved the way we would like. Usually one is miserable in such a situation.
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Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that
arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve? The
one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons of bitches and
those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM makes no dent in
one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is much like Nazi
Germany, those who were most like the leader -arrogant, abusive, elitist seem
to rise to the top levels of the TMO - must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel nice
inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes mental
instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay
it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the rubber never
meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make excuses for the
practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that TMSP
will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to make that happen,
but I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait.
On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM
Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen
anywhere in a
people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing
illumined.
There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in
any
person. People are born in to the temple as the human
nervous system
that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM]
like
consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then
there are
the families and communities they are born in to. We should
not
overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of
some of
those even in the TM movement to explain some of their
behavior aside
from some factors around illumination on a scale of
consciousness.
Yep,
actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a
lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and
consciousness too.
I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all
this stuff
in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as
with
any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community
or any
organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for
performance to
judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say
that the sociopaths show
themselves for who they are when there are standards of
performance. That is good information in getting
along: groups and organizations beware and protect
yourselves accordingly, -Buck
turquoiseb writes:
That was
probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their
upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at
all...
Actually the
attorneys general protecting the general public have
put most the crooked community meditators out of business
either in
to jail or barred from at least security business, some
barred for
life. It is not that these
bad-minded ones were meditators but much more
likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely
they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever
they came
from. Those
crooked while certainly part of the old story of
Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the
meditating
community of Fairfield, Iowa.
Om, just to be a
little
more accurate about some things mentioned below for any
outsiders
looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG
churning
accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned.
Telegroup
was taking in good people's money from the community at
their front
door while loading it out the back door as they were filing
for
bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different
route of
consumer fraud played on people.-Buck
Yes, and thanks
be to the Unified Field for the States
Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of
protecting us all
as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad
people doing bad things.
-Buck
Mjackson74
writes:I'd
just as soon invest my money with Ed
Beckley.
There
have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't
there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one
that someone shared here right after I first began posting
on FFL about the Movement asking for investors
to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the
investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing
and discounts on products and services - and the minute the
Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal,
saying all the investors would be re-payed only
with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial
investments, nothing! My favorite!
Duveyoung
writes:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:
Fairfield Venture Fund
Telegroup? I would think
they'd beashamed to even mention the
name. Crooks, liars andthieves sure love to do
highfalutin' sounding enterprises.
Is this another
one?
Sorry guys, maybe your
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
But Michael, those incidents happened decades ago. You've had no contact with
these people since then. How can you continue to think such negative things
about them and more, say them in a public venue? IMO, it's neither right nor
healthy to do so.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:02 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
wrote:
everyone has the capacity to be both nice and nasty - I have already shared all
my unpleasant experiences about each of these individuals here on FFL
On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:46 PM
Michael,
you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here
and I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact
with them. I know most of the people on your list, and have
had my disagreements with a few of them. But based on my
current contact with them, I'd say they are really good
people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are
dedicated to making the world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say
such negative things about people with whom you haven't
had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems down right,
very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1,
2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with
people who do TM - the PR on TM is that it improves life on
ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional, relationships and
the implication is made that money issues will disappear
with the improved all around functioning of the individual
brought on by regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out
stated that money problems will go away if one has MAHARISHI
yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do
unfortunate things such as commit suicide and do bad things
like rape, robbery, professors who target students for sex
(that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin)
commit fraud (like Beckley) - you yourself David have
complained loudly and often about the behavior of Bevan
Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have
anything wrong with them that can be attributed to the
practice itself, so you have to lay it off on factors that,
by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM
and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and
the TMO and say there are mitigating factors. If its
upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those factors,
that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er?
Those more esoterically minded lay it off on personal
karma yet we have been told by the Grand Liar Marshy
that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it
doesn't. So you have to make excuses. I have always
acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for some
people and some people are very decent folks whom I have
known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do
TM. As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would
have been decent people without TM, they are with TM and if
they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC
- I have not seen him in many years, but when I first met
him on the first residence course I ever took, he was a down
to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit answers
to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene
Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it
was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence
course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a
bitch and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet
he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except
for one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches
like Gene Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and
Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil
Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve?
The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural
sons of bitches and those who are naturally nice people
remain nice people - TM makes no dent in one's
personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is
much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like the leader
-arrogant, abusive, elitist seem to rise to the top levels
of the TMO - must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some
people feel nice inside themselves, sometimes for decades.
The same practice causes mental instability, emotional
problems and leads to other problems too - you
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everyone has the capacity to be both nice and nasty - I have already
shared all my unpleasant experiences about each of these individuals
here on FFL
So, why are you still here? Nobody wants to seriously dialog with you
because you are so crude and nasty,n sort of like how you describe your
relatives.You sound worse than the people you rail against. You haven't
made a good impression - you sound pretty black and white, yourself. So,
what's your point? You're not going to change any minds here. Go figure.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote:
everyone has the capacity to be both nice and nasty - I have already
shared all my unpleasant experiences about each of these individuals here
on FFL
On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:46 PM
Michael,
you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here
and I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact
with them. I know most of the people on your list, and have
had my disagreements with a few of them. But based on my
current contact with them, I'd say they are really good
people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are
dedicated to making the world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say
such negative things about people with whom you haven't
had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems down right,
very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1,
2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with
people who do TM - the PR on TM is that it improves life on
ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional, relationships and
the implication is made that money issues will disappear
with the improved all around functioning of the individual
brought on by regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out
stated that money problems will go away if one has MAHARISHI
yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do
unfortunate things such as commit suicide and do bad things
like rape, robbery, professors who target students for sex
(that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin)
commit fraud (like Beckley) - you yourself David have
complained loudly and often about the behavior of Bevan
Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have
anything wrong with them that can be attributed to the
practice itself, so you have to lay it off on factors that,
by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM
and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and
the TMO and say there are mitigating factors. If its
upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those factors,
that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er?
Those more esoterically minded lay it off on personal
karma yet we have been told by the Grand Liar Marshy
that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it
doesn't. So you have to make excuses. I have always
acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for some
people and some people are very decent folks whom I have
known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do
TM. As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would
have been decent people without TM, they are with TM and if
they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC
- I have not seen him in many years, but when I first met
him on the first residence course I ever took, he was a down
to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit answers
to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene
Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it
was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence
course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a
bitch and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet
he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except
for one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches
like Gene Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and
Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil
Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve?
The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural
sons of bitches and those who are naturally nice people
remain nice people - TM makes no dent in one's
personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is
much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like
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So, it's all about Benjamin Creme now. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: If you feel like reading a bit you can find here the roots of all Benjy Creme's baloney blather about Maitreya, ripped off from CW Leadbeater - here is a snippet: Much to the distress of Krishnamurti's father - who considered Leadbeater to be a predatory menace and corrupting influence towards all young boys - Leadbeater and Besant eventually managed to seize custody of the boy and the next twenty years were spent carefully grooming and training him - some might instead be inclined to call it brainwashing - for his eventual mission. For further details of this period, see Tillett's book or any in depth biographies of Krishnamurti. Suffice it to say that just as Leadbeater, Besant, and thousands of Theosophists around the world were expecting Krishnamurti to begin publicly fulfilling his role, thus allowing the Coming of Maitreya/Christ to occur, the boy, now grown into an intelligent and capable young man, shocked them all in 1929 by delivering a speech in which he abdicated the position, assuring his listeners that he was not the vessel for Christ-Maitreya and that in fact there was no Christ-Maitreya after all, and subsequently separated himself from the Theosophists. When asked some fifty years later to share his reminiscences about Leadbeater, he replied, All I will say about that man is that he was EVIL. http://blavatskytheosophy.com/maitreya-in-the-light-of-real-theosophy/ On Tue, 4/1/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 3:48 PM For the record, I have steered all four of them to more appropriate sources for the information they're seeking Good for you, hopefully this will make you feel even more special and make you receive plenty of pats from your Buddhist Overlords.
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of what he told me was Bill Sands' personal policy and not anything in writing on the part of MIU. I had the feeling that a number of the big wigs pulled that a few times when I was there. So much for your theory. I am happily not at MIU anymore and I can assure you if the TMO is ever foolish enough to try to insinuate themselves in the schools here in SC, they better come loaded for bear, cause there'll be a bear waiting on 'em. On Tue, 4/1/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 5:50 The path of enlightenment ends in a number of ways. One can get tired of it and just drop the whole thing out of disinterest. One can die or become mentally incapacitated. And there are two forms of disillusionment. One is it didn't work out as expected, with a feeling of grave disappointment resulting from the discovery that it was not nearly as good as one believed it would be or worse. The other is it didn't work out as expected, but the disillusionment is the kind that was originally intended by the word enlightenment, and then things are pretty much as they always were, and OK.It seems to me MJ is pissed and has a long term grudge because he was fired from MIU for not going to the dome, and that not going to the dome had a valid medical reason. Most employees in the United States work 'at will' which means that a person can be fired for any reason that is not illegal.MJ's firing seems to be in an interesting grey area legally, and it probably could not have been fleshed out without a lawsuit to test the case. Most people on staff in the movement though, as 'serfs', do not have the resources to challenge the movement's sometimes bizarre decisions. Going to the dome as a condition of employment, regardless of the unsupportability of the hypothesis for going there, and yet being exposed to hazardous substances there that require medical intervention would be an interesting test case.As with everyone else, people working and administering in cults and other peculiar organisations are just getting through the day. If they do strange and dark things, they probably do not see it that way at all, they are just getting though another day with whatever resources are available to them.Sometimes the mind cannot let go even when the situation is clear it is never going to be resolved the way we would like. Usually one is miserable in such a situation.
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that when I first was called on the carpet for non-Dome attendance and showed him my letter from my allergist and all that, I asked for a compromise which was to allow me to go meditate with the meditators, rather than the sidhas in the Dome. That way I could fulfill the letter of my staff agreement to do group program, not be exposed to the formaldehyde and other gasses in the Domes, stay healthy, happy, have good experiences and do my part working for MIU with a happier healthier body. But nooo! We can't have none of that! said Billy Boy. He felt it was tantamount to blasphemy for me to even suggest as a sidha to do program with the lowly meditators and not do my sidhis. I saw his blind goosestepping adherence to policy was more important to him than keeping things running smoothly and keeping the personnel happy. Typical cult behavior to blindly follow protocol and not think independently - but I also didn't ask to actually see the written policies that might cover such exceptions as I was asking for, I suspect that some of what he told me was Bill Sands' personal policy and not anything in writing on the part of MIU. I had the feeling that a number of the big wigs pulled that a few times when I was there. So much for your theory. I am happily not at MIU anymore and I can assure you if the TMO is ever foolish enough to try to insinuate themselves in the schools here in SC, they better come loaded for bear, cause there'll be a bear waiting on 'em. On Tue, 4/1/14, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 5:50 The path of enlightenment ends in a number of ways. One can get tired of it and just drop the whole thing out of disinterest. One can die or become mentally incapacitated. And there are two forms of disillusionment. One is it didn't work out as expected, with a feeling of grave disappointment resulting from the discovery that it was not nearly as good as one believed it would be or worse. The other is it didn't work out as expected, but the disillusionment is the kind that was originally intended by the word enlightenment, and then things are pretty much as they always were, and OK.It seems to me MJ is pissed and has a long term grudge because he was fired from MIU for not going to the dome, and that not going to the dome had a valid medical reason. Most employees in the United States work 'at will' which means that a person can be fired for any reason that is not illegal.MJ's firing seems to be in an interesting grey area legally, and it probably could not have been fleshed out without a lawsuit to test the case. Most people on staff in the movement though, as 'serfs', do not have the resources to challenge the movement's sometimes bizarre decisions. Going to the dome as a condition of employment, regardless of the unsupportability of the hypothesis for going there, and yet being exposed to hazardous substances there that require medical intervention would be an interesting test case.As with everyone else, people working and administering in cults and other peculiar organisations are just getting through the day. If they do strange and dark things, they probably do not see it that way at all, they are just getting though another day with whatever resources are available to them.Sometimes the mind cannot let go even when the situation is clear it is never going to be resolved the way we would like. Usually one is miserable in such a situation.
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thanks for telling me how to live my life, that was one of the reasons I got away from the TM'ers - if you don't like what I write, don't read it On Tue, 4/1/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 8:10 PM Hey Michael, fantasy is a way of life on FFL. And April 1 is the day of the year where lies are sanctioned. You can also see the effect time and memory have on recollection and interpretation. I have read all the things you wrote previously some time ago. And what I wrote was an hypothesis, not a theory, as there was no evidence it could be true, only suppositions. I observed much of what you have said at MIU as well, I am just not so negative about the movement. I regard it as a kind of wind-up clock of mental conditioning, and the spring is slowly unwinding. Complaining about a faulty watch incessantly is a waste of time, throw it away or buy or steal a new one, or look at the sun to get the time. Interesting how no two human minds ever agree. Do you think there is such a thing as enlightenment? It seemed to me people who chose to work in the movement were interested in the concept. I suppose I am curious as to your thoughts on that idea now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am glad you are capable of such fantasy - you might try writing a novel based on your musings and put them to good use, but you are wrong on all counts - at the time the Bill Sands gave me the boot, I was chagrined for about five minutes with him in Brad's office (Brad O'Nash - then kitchen director) because I had no place else to go, no money and no transportation and at the time I was into the lifestyle of livin' poor and having the rent, utilities and food taken care of and still had some good friends there I was not ready to leave. But when I saw that Billy was getting revenge for my having gone over his head some months before, going to Greg Wilson to get an exception to the gotta be in the Dome rule, I realized I had to roll with what I was being dealt. It was during the last exchange when I came back to myself. I shakily asked how long after the DAC banquet was over with till I had to get out and he said Five o'clock. The banquet will be over at noon on Sunday, you have to vacate your room and have all your belongings out by five o'clock that afternoon. What! You're crazy! That's not fair! I need more time. Bill, with a supercilious look on his face, That's MIU policy. If you aren't working for MIU, you can't stay on campus. He actually have his head inclined so that he was looking down his nose at me. As the exchange proceeded, I got quite ticked off and told them that if they were going to do that, I was going to pack and leave right then, and they could run the bakery themselves through the big DAC banquet. Bill indignantly reminded me that I had just promised to work the banquet and he was going to hold me to it. I reminded him that he was treating me with no regard and I insisted I needed more time. He said no, and I said yes. Finally he asked me how much time and I said two weeks. He and Brad both said no in a flustered and indignant tone to which I replied that they were welcome to make bread and desserts from then till and through the DAC banquet. They protested and I got out of my chair to leave and pack. Bill disgustedly agreed. I walked out and in the next few hours I was a little uncertain as to what I would do, but by the end of the next day I had made my exit plans, arranged for transportation, gotten a temp job in Indiana that paid me enough to get me back to South Carolina and I was satisfied. By the time I left MIU I knew I didn't want to work for the Movement again - ever! and be subject to the whims of jackasses like Sands (and folk like Chris Crowell who was one of the most look down on lowly meditators who are not sidhas and look down on sidhas who aren't governors and look down on governors who have no money or status in the Movement I have ever seen). But I foolishly had the idea of rounding once in a while at a Movement facility and that lasted till I heard from some friends who were on the scene about the Heavenly Mountain crap that Bevan and Marshy pulled - it was Marshy's exhortation for all TM'ers as possible to move there and his subsequent juvenile behavior of pulling the rug out from under everyone by telling them No one can do business here - its just for retired people and Purusha. in response to the Kaplan brothers ceasing to give him monetary support that made me realize what a gigantic son of a bitch he was and how uncaring he was about the people who made
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I did not say I did not like what you write. Generally I find it interesting and on point, it just seems a bit obsessive at times. And I never implied how you should live your life. I don't know how you live your life and frankly almost do not care. I just am curious because something of our lives shows through in what we write, usually not what we intend, at least in the eyes of others. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : thanks for telling me how to live my life, that was one of the reasons I got away from the TM'ers - if you don't like what I write, don't read it On Tue, 4/1/14, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 8:10 PM Hey Michael, fantasy is a way of life on FFL. And April 1 is the day of the year where lies are sanctioned. You can also see the effect time and memory have on recollection and interpretation. I have read all the things you wrote previously some time ago. And what I wrote was an hypothesis, not a theory, as there was no evidence it could be true, only suppositions. I observed much of what you have said at MIU as well, I am just not so negative about the movement. I regard it as a kind of wind-up clock of mental conditioning, and the spring is slowly unwinding. Complaining about a faulty watch incessantly is a waste of time, throw it away or buy or steal a new one, or look at the sun to get the time. Interesting how no two human minds ever agree. Do you think there is such a thing as enlightenment? It seemed to me people who chose to work in the movement were interested in the concept. I suppose I am curious as to your thoughts on that idea now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am glad you are capable of such fantasy - you might try writing a novel based on your musings and put them to good use, but you are wrong on all counts - at the time the Bill Sands gave me the boot, I was chagrined for about five minutes with him in Brad's office (Brad O'Nash - then kitchen director) because I had no place else to go, no money and no transportation and at the time I was into the lifestyle of livin' poor and having the rent, utilities and food taken care of and still had some good friends there I was not ready to leave. But when I saw that Billy was getting revenge for my having gone over his head some months before, going to Greg Wilson to get an exception to the gotta be in the Dome rule, I realized I had to roll with what I was being dealt. It was during the last exchange when I came back to myself. I shakily asked how long after the DAC banquet was over with till I had to get out and he said Five o'clock. The banquet will be over at noon on Sunday, you have to vacate your room and have all your belongings out by five o'clock that afternoon. What! You're crazy! That's not fair! I need more time. Bill, with a supercilious look on his face, That's MIU policy. If you aren't working for MIU, you can't stay on campus. He actually have his head inclined so that he was looking down his nose at me. As the exchange proceeded, I got quite ticked off and told them that if they were going to do that, I was going to pack and leave right then, and they could run the bakery themselves through the big DAC banquet. Bill indignantly reminded me that I had just promised to work the banquet and he was going to hold me to it. I reminded him that he was treating me with no regard and I insisted I needed more time. He said no, and I said yes. Finally he asked me how much time and I said two weeks. He and Brad both said no in a flustered and indignant tone to which I replied that they were welcome to make bread and desserts from then till and through the DAC banquet. They protested and I got out of my chair to leave and pack. Bill disgustedly agreed. I walked out and in the next few hours I was a little uncertain as to what I would do, but by the end of the next day I had made my exit plans, arranged for transportation, gotten a temp job in Indiana that paid me enough to get me back to South Carolina and I was satisfied. By the time I left MIU I knew I didn't want to work for the Movement again - ever! and be subject to the whims of jackasses like Sands (and folk like Chris Crowell who was one of the most look down on lowly meditators who are not sidhas and look down on sidhas who aren't governors and look down on governors who have no money or status in the Movement I have ever seen). But I foolishly had the idea of rounding once in a while at a Movement facility and that lasted till
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own terms. In hindsight, even though he did it in an underhanded fashion, he gave me a good look at typical TM boss behavior, gave me a good story to tell and did me a big favor by getting me out of cult central sooner than I otherwise would have. I also remind you that when I first was called on the carpet for non-Dome attendance and showed him my letter from my allergist and all that, I asked for a compromise which was to allow me to go meditate with the meditators, rather than the sidhas in the Dome. That way I could fulfill the letter of my staff agreement to do group program, not be exposed to the formaldehyde and other gasses in the Domes, stay healthy, happy, have good experiences and do my part working for MIU with a happier healthier body. But nooo! We can't have none of that! said Billy Boy. He felt it was tantamount to blasphemy for me to even suggest as a sidha to do program with the lowly meditators and not do my sidhis. I saw his blind goosestepping adherence to policy was more important to him than keeping things running smoothly and keeping the personnel happy. Typical cult behavior to blindly follow protocol and not think independently - but I also didn't ask to actually see the written policies that might cover such exceptions as I was asking for, I suspect that some of what he told me was Bill Sands' personal policy and not anything in writing on the part of MIU. I had the feeling that a number of the big wigs pulled that a few times when I was there. So much for your theory. I am happily not at MIU anymore and I can assure you if the TMO is ever foolish enough to try to insinuate themselves in the schools here in SC, they better come loaded for bear, cause there'll be a bear waiting on 'em. On Tue, 4/1/14, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 5:50 The path of enlightenment ends in a number of ways. One can get tired of it and just drop the whole thing out of disinterest. One can die or become mentally incapacitated. And there are two forms of disillusionment. One is it didn't work out as expected, with a feeling of grave disappointment resulting from the discovery that it was not nearly as good as one believed it would be or worse. The other is it didn't work out as expected, but the disillusionment is the kind that was originally intended by the word enlightenment, and then things are pretty much as they always were, and OK.It seems to me MJ is pissed and has a long term grudge because he was fired from MIU for not going to the dome, and that not going to the dome had a valid medical reason. Most employees in the United States work 'at will' which means that a person can be fired for any reason that is not illegal.MJ's firing seems to be in an interesting grey area legally, and it probably could not have been fleshed out without a lawsuit to test the case. Most people on staff in the movement though, as 'serfs', do not have the resources to challenge the movement's sometimes bizarre decisions. Going to the dome as a condition of employment, regardless of the unsupportability of the hypothesis for going there, and yet being exposed to hazardous substances there that require medical intervention would be an interesting test case.As with everyone else, people working and administering in cults and other peculiar organisations are just getting through the day. If they do strange and dark things, they probably do not see it that way at all, they are just getting though another day with whatever resources are available to them.Sometimes the mind cannot let go even when the situation is clear it is never going to be resolved the way we would like. Usually one is miserable in such a situation.
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themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes mental instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the rubber never meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make excuses for the practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that TMSP will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to make that happen, but I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait. On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people.-Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes:I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd beashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars andthieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink
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Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung write: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! .
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except for protecting the pundits on the campus of MUM - Maharishi University of Mummery. On Mon, 3/31/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 2:08 PM Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung write: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! .
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Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people. -Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! . .
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Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people. -Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! . . .
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That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people. -Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH!
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The people listed on this venture capital project seem successful community people who evidently are practically looking out for Fairfield, Iowa Life. Most you don't live here; however while the rest of rural America is in decline and de-population Jefferson County, Iowa has fortunately bucked that trend. This is high-minded pro-active thinking on their parts of community-minded elders looking ahead for the local economy where we live. -U.S. Buck in the Dome Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people. -Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! . . . .
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David you are a good soul who has had his mind corrupted and eaten away by TM and TMSP - if TM and TMSP is so grand how the hell can the people who do it be crooked? I know you will explain it away, but if it worked as billed, you could end crime and all objectionable behavior just with TM and we know that ain't happened in 60 years. Plus the BIGGEST crooked TM'ers are STILL at it - they run MUM and the TMO. On Mon, 3/31/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 7:14 PM Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people.-Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes:I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd beashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars andthieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! ...
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Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people. -Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! .
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Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people. -Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! . .
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There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! On Sun, 3/30/14, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 30, 2014, 5:29 PM Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH!
