Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger
On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote:It's the dfference between relative and absolute, played out neurologically within the brain. OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads one to describe the world in these terms. Either way, its radically different than the high concentration Buddhist meditation findings that Vaj likes to tout here. Actually Vaj has never "touted" any meditation technique here that uses "high concentration". As Dana Sawyer pointed out in some previous quotes shared here: meditators using these techniques are able to transcend easier, longer and more frequently. This is accomplished by teaching students to find their own unique balance between subtle effort and no effort. Eventually meditation become totally (and truly) effortless: one sits, decides how long, and simply goes into samadhi/shamatha for the entire session! Once one can sustain transcendence for longer periods of time (IME over about 10 minutes) one can also decide to practice non-dual forms of meditation, which unlike what you describe where the senses disengage from objects and withdraw (or "retire"/transcend) and separate inner and outer into a dualistic divide--one can instead cultivate unity consciousness and work with methods which leave the senses "open". And this is the natural sequence in learning meditation: going from meditation requiring "supports" (e.g. a mantra) to no support. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote: It's the dfference between relative and absolute, played out neurologically within the brain. OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads one to describe the world in these terms. Either way, its radically different than the high concentration Buddhist meditation findings that Vaj likes to tout here. Actually Vaj has never "touted" any meditation technique here that uses "high concentration". As Dana Sawyer pointed out in some previous quotes shared here: meditators using these techniques are able to transcend easier, longer and more frequently. Dana does EEG/fMRI research on meditators?Not that I'm aware of. Why should he? Experientially it's very easy to see the difference. This is accomplished by teaching students to find their own unique balance between subtle effort and no effort. Eventually meditation become totally (and truly) effortless: one sits, decides how long, and simply goes into samadhi/shamatha for the entire session! Once one can sustain transcendence for longer periods of time (IME over about 10 minutes) one can also decide to practice non-dual forms of meditation, which unlike what you describe where the senses disengage from objects and withdraw (or "retire"/transcend) and separate inner and outer into a dualistic divide--one can instead cultivate unity consciousness and work with methods which leave the senses "open". And this is the natural sequence in learning meditation: going from meditation requiring "supports" (e.g. a mantra) to no support. Where's the research? None was necessary, although there's research out there for those who need that crutch.The direct experience is the important thing. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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On Aug 2, 2006, at 12:46 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote: Where's the research? None was necessary, although there's research out there for those who need that crutch. Feeling a bit superior this morning? (Therapy may help dismissiveness actions based on superiority complexes. There IS research on that.)Not at all, I just find the robotic repetition of "research" as a thought-stopper silly and more an artifact of marketing, conditioning (in this particular case) and obsession. Interesting you didn't see the superior tone in Spairag's orignal question. As if somehow research was important to meditators. Prejudiced? There's LOT'S of research on that. The direct experience is the important thing. Assuming all the neuural pathways that Spariag touches on in prior posts, and the 100 billion synapes in the brain, are all functioning 'well", and that the 'experiencer" has had rigorous training to overcome the many potential cognitive and logical errors, pyschoanalytical complexes (can yuo say "Oedipal"?) that the human mind is prone to make (particularly in interpreting "spiritual experiences". As Dana will tell you extensively and in detail -- with research (not his, but cites).Not of course what I meant. Meanwhile, I just experienced that I am Lord of the Universe, so I am going with that. :) Say no more. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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On Aug 2, 2006, at 1:10 PM, sparaig wrote:Dana does EEG/fMRI research on meditators? Not that I'm aware of. Why should he? Experientially it's very easy to see the difference. LOL. Ah yes, inner experience than scientific research. That's a convenient excuse. If MMY claimed it, you'd be all over him. Well, if he had a couple thousand years experience at producing fully enlightened Buddhas, I'd take it easy on him. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, inthislifetime300 inthislifetime300@ wrote: Sorry Judy, David signature was not on the previous post. It was at the bottom of his website. OK. Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice of a specific religion? It's a practice of the followers of a specific guru: Deeksha is an energy transfer that facilitates awakening to one's personal indwelling Divine Presence. This is an actual Neuro-biological change. The parietal lobes, located in the brain near the top of the skull, are responsible for our orientation in space. Without them we could not get a spoon to our mouth or find our way through a doorway. Since Hans Selye's work in the 30's, however, scientists agree that the parietal lobes are overactive in most human beings. The overactive nature of the parietal lobes causes us to feel existentially separate and even opposed to our environment - not supported, not safe. The diksha energy calms the activity of the parietal lobes, allowing us to experience our natural oneness with the rest of creation. The frontal lobes of the brain are associated with the passion for life, enthusiasm, and love of God. The deeksha activates the frontal lobes. The activation of the frontal lobes leads to the experience of God realization, oneness with God, our own personal God. Diksha is being given to humanity at this time in its history to assist the world's transformation to a higher level of consciousness. It is a gift of the Divine through the intercession of Sri Bhagavan and Sri Padmavati Devi Amma. It is offered through their followers, called deeksha givers, all over the world. This is a profoundly gross simplification of brain functioning and is a fairy tale. Pseudo science at its best! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger on 8/1/06 12:58 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO thinks that someone is not doing the official TM program in the dome they don't want them to be there. Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing something? You're missing something. This particular individual practises TM and the TM-Sidhi program regularly and would be doing said program in the Domes if he were allowed in. It was an outside personally-chosen religious activity that he was engaged in that caused him to be ejected. Same with me. Now Ive moved on to other things, but when they booted me, a few days after 9/11, I was doing the TM-TMS program as taught. No regrets though. As Steve K. said, theres life after the TMO. Sometimes getting the boot is the best thing that can happen to a person. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger on 8/1/06 1:02 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How and why would students be at MIU and NOT be meditators? I'm confused... Many foreign students come just to get into the US. They dont learn TM till they get here, and many dont feel much motivation to practice it. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, inthislifetime300 inthislifetime300@ wrote: Sorry Judy, David signature was not on the previous post. It was at the bottom of his website. OK. Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice of a specific religion? It's a practice of the followers of a specific guru: Deeksha is an energy transfer that facilitates awakening to one's personal indwelling Divine Presence. This is an actual Neuro-biological change. The parietal lobes, located in the brain near the top of the skull, are responsible for our orientation in space. Without them we could not get a spoon to our mouth or find our way through a doorway. Since Hans Selye's work in the 30's, however, scientists agree that the parietal lobes are overactive in most human beings. The overactive nature of the parietal lobes causes us to feel existentially separate and even opposed to our environment - not supported, not safe. The diksha energy calms the activity of the parietal lobes, allowing us to experience our natural oneness with the rest of creation. The frontal lobes of the brain are associated with the passion for life, enthusiasm, and love of God. The deeksha activates the frontal lobes. The activation of the frontal lobes leads to the experience of God realization, oneness with God, our own personal God. Diksha is being given to humanity at this time in its history to assist the world's transformation to a higher level of consciousness. It is a gift of the Divine through the intercession of Sri Bhagavan and Sri Padmavati Devi Amma. It is offered through their followers, called deeksha givers, all over the world. This is a profoundly gross simplification of brain functioning and is a fairy tale. Pseudo science at its best! Contrast this with Fred's theory about samadhi: The thalamus is the gateway to about 90% of sensory input into the brain (almost all visual, auditory and tactile input goes straight through the thalmus while taste and smell bypasses it) and it acts as a switchboard sending incoming sensory information from the various senses to the relevant parts of the brain for processing. Those parts of the brain then send the processed information back to the thalamus which routes them back through the loop again, modifying the incoming raw sensory input with the processed input. When you sleep, the thalamus tends to shut down, but the rest of the brain becomes less alert. During samadhi (ala TM) the thalamus tends to shut down, but the brain remains alert, according to various fMRI and EEG studies. The mind has withdrawn its senses like a turtoise withdraws its limbs into its shell and awareness is left awake to itself without sensory input--even the subtle sensory input from the feedback--to modify it. This is radically different than what is found during other forms of meditation, even/ especially when bliss is reported during them. It's the dfference between relative and absolute, played out neurologically within the brain. OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads one to describe the world in these terms. Either way, its radically different than the high concentration Buddhist meditation findings that Vaj likes to tout here. And the TM-Sidhis MERGE this neural behavior with activity, as MMY says, or so the EEG findings strongly suggest. At least Fred Travis is trying to ground his theorizing with up-to-date brain functioning theory and EEG studies. He also doesn't regress into metaphorical analogies that are closer to phrenology than neurology. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger on 7/31/06 8:09 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice of a specific religion? Hindu related. You go to India to learn it. But other religions have similar things. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Well, wouldn't meditation that includes the repetition of the names of Hindu deities be considered Hindu as well? Seems to me they'd be compatible. Sal On Jul 31, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote: OK. Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice of a specific religion? Hindu related. You go to India to learn it.
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I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO thinks that someone is not doing the official TM program in the dome they don't want them to be there. Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing something? --- inthislifetime300 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Judy, David signature was not on the previous post. It was at the bottom of his website. \--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, inthislifetime300 inthislifetime300@ wrote: Well if anyone wants to contact David about a lawsuit, here is his contact info from his diksha website: David Bousfield attended the 21 day Process at Oneness University in October, 2005. He is now giving Deeksha in Fairfield with Nathan and Marie. In addition, David gives phone deeksha and private deeksha sessions in the privacy of your own home. Call David at 641-209-5793, or email him at bousfield@ David David, do you consider deeksha to be an activity of your religion? For deeksha events around the world, see www.onenessmovement.org --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Salvatore Sunshine brought up a good point: MUM's exclusion of that Diksha fellow may in fact be a violation of federal law: you cannot exclude someone from an activity based upon their religion..and since MUM is federally funded, this law applies to them. This is assuming, of course, that the Diksha fellow does his program regularly and that he does the Diksha OUTSIDE his program time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
