--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In [email protected], Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In [email protected],
> "authfriend"
> > > <jstein@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected],
> > > "inthislifetime300" 
> > > > <inthislifetime300@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry Judy,
> > > > > 
> > > > > David signature was not on the previous
> post. 
> > > It was at the bottom 
> > > > > of his website.
> > > > 
> > > > OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a
> practice
> > > > of a specific religion?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > It's a practice of the followers of a specific
> guru:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Deeksha is an energy transfer that facilitates
> > > awakening to one's personal indwelling 
> > > Divine Presence.
> > > 
> > > This is an actual Neuro-biological change. The
> > > parietal lobes, located in the brain near the 
> > > top of the skull, are responsible for our
> > > orientation in space. Without them we could not 
> > > get a spoon to our mouth or find our way through
> a
> > > doorway. Since Hans Selye's work in 
> > > the 30's, however, scientists agree that the
> > > parietal lobes are overactive in most human 
> > > beings. The overactive nature of the parietal
> lobes
> > > causes us to feel existentially separate 
> > > and even opposed to our environment - not
> supported,
> > > not safe. The diksha energy calms 
> > > the activity of the parietal lobes, allowing us
> to
> > > experience our natural oneness with the 
> > > rest of creation.
> > > 
> > > The frontal lobes of the brain are associated
> with
> > > the passion for life, enthusiasm, and love 
> > > of God. The deeksha activates the frontal lobes.
> The
> > > activation of the frontal lobes leads to 
> > > the experience of God realization, oneness with
> God,
> > > our own personal God. 
> > > 
> > > Diksha is being given to humanity at this time
> in
> > > its history to assist the world's 
> > > transformation to a higher level of
> consciousness.
> > > It is a gift of the Divine through the 
> > > intercession of Sri Bhagavan and Sri Padmavati
> Devi
> > > Amma. It is offered through their 
> > > followers, called deeksha givers, all over the
> > > world.
> > 
> > This is a profoundly gross simplification of brain
> > functioning and is a fairy tale. Pseudo science at
> its
> > best!
> > 
> 
> Contrast this with Fred's theory about samadhi: 
> 
> The thalamus is the gateway to about 90% of sensory
> input into the brain (almost all 
> visual, auditory and tactile input goes straight
> through the thalmus while taste and smell 
> bypasses it) and it acts as a switchboard sending
> incoming sensory information from the 
> various senses to the relevant parts of the brain
> for processing. Those parts of the brain 
> then send the processed information back to the
> thalamus which routes them back 
> through the loop again, modifying the incoming raw
> sensory input with the processed 
> input.
> 
> When you sleep, the thalamus tends to shut down, but
> the rest of the brain becomes less 
> alert. During samadhi (ala TM) the thalamus tends to
> shut down, but the brain remains 
> alert, according to various fMRI and EEG studies.
> The mind has "withdrawn its senses like a 
> turtoise withdraws its limbs into its shell" and
> awareness is left awake to itself without 
> sensory  input--even the "subtle" sensory input from
> the feedback--to modify it.
> 
> This is radically different than what is found
> during other forms of meditation,  even/
> especially when "bliss" is reported during them.
> 
> It's the dfference between relative and absolute,
> played out neurologically within the brain. 
> OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads
> one to describe the world in these terms. 
> Either way, its radically different than the high
> concentration Buddhist meditation findings 
> that Vaj likes to tout here.
> 
> And the TM-Sidhis MERGE this neural behavior with
> activity, as MMY says, or so the EEG 
> findings strongly suggest.

At least Fred Travis is trying to ground his
theorizing with up-to-date brain functioning theory
and EEG studies. He also doesn't regress into
metaphorical analogies that are closer to phrenology
than neurology.




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