Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Absolutely! From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS It's about the debt that a conflict produces: http://youtu.be/UiN1xHaNDJ0 Debt = control. On 11/25/2014 05:02 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: BTW MJ almost all the weapons used by those that we end up fighting bought their weapons( AK 47's and RPGs) from China or former Soviet Union countries. The US and our allies aren't making a penny off of the trouble makers. In fact,we end up barrowing money from China to finance the destructiobn of the weapons they supply to our enemies. From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS MJ, Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for the common good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
It's like banging your head against a wall. It feels so good when you stop. Just let it go and take it as it comes. From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS On 11/25/2014 7:02 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: BTW MJ almost all the weapons used by those that we end up fighting bought their weapons( AK 47's and RPGs) from China or former Soviet Union countries. The US and our allies aren't making a penny off of the trouble makers. In fact,we end up barrowing money from China to finance the destructiobn of the weapons they supply to our enemies. You don't seriously expect someone of MJ's level of intelligence or education to understand something like this do you, Mike? From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS MJ, Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for the common good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Best we can do from a distance is surround them with love. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the DomeYes, I call it, eating their stress, but it is driving for the same effect - just more compassionate, than loving, imo. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Nope, realistically they are not going to stop until everyone there is exhausted of the violence and incoherence, like happened between the Protestants and Catholics in 18th and 19th Century Europe whence they finally gave up on each other and the separatists and agreed to stop in a mutuality. Not much else to do with these religious nuts other than observantly keep your own safety while they fight. Religion at that level is a different wave-length than spirituality. Best we can do from a distance is surround them with love. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome fleetwood_macncheese@... writes : Yep, I agree with jr's suggestion, and too, that most in the US have world policeman fatigue, and no desire for another war. So, the best we can probably hope for, is to continue strategic strikes in the region, and contain the menace, to some degree. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : John, I agree 100%. However, I can't see Obama ever putting together a coalition to do that. Nobody in the world trusts that guy! Remember all those red lines in the sand? Do you think Ukrainians would beleive him? How about Poland, Israel or any of our Arab allies? I think not. Obama has ruined any trust we had with traditional allies and our enemies look at his as a wimp. As for the UN sending troops, that's laughable. Unfortunately, any heavy lifting would have to be done by us. We have the strength, power, military and economy to do itbut no will. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
How can an enlightened person be naive?
And according to TMO knowledge that they got from Mahesh the Fraud Varma, all
that should be necessary to end the wars in that area of the world would be for
you and all the other at least 10,000 TM enlightened people to go to the Middle
East and just hang around and your sattva will automatically and spontaneously
eliminate all the stress, conflict and negativity.
So what you waiting for? Why don't you use your enlightenment and organize
all the other TM enlightened to do a end the war trip to the Mid East? Eh? Put
your ass where your mouth is - this would be a fine way to PROVE your
enlightenment and the fact that Mahesh the Fraud Varma was not a fraud and the
TMO is legit.
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing
applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in
Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of
their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting
our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only
attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to
defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar
army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a
couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again.
What a mess.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against
the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to
carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US
troops may end up fighting in Iraq again.
In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall
apart.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training...
yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One*
decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops
home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation
that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How
long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in
Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four
thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars,
and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the
toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all
again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news,
that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as
promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise!
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing
applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in
Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of
their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting
our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only
attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to
defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar
army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a
couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again.
What a mess.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against
the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to
carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US
troops may end up fighting in Iraq again.
In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall
apart.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Good point - Better if we had seen this ahead of time, and not made the incursion. And now in Afghanistan (where opium growing is wy up, since our invasion), we'll be there indefinitely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
There is no way, at all, to end the war within you, MJ. Even if I did exactly as you say in your post. Next, it would be your burnt toast, or your stubbed toe, or the fight you had with your wife. Peace begins within. Otherwise, it just causes you more misery to blame your lack of same, on something else. Hope you have a good Thanksgiving (and I wouldn't broach your favorite rant at the table, either, just this once...). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How can an enlightened person be naive? And according to TMO knowledge that they got from Mahesh the Fraud Varma, all that should be necessary to end the wars in that area of the world would be for you and all the other at least 10,000 TM enlightened people to go to the Middle East and just hang around and your sattva will automatically and spontaneously eliminate all the stress, conflict and negativity. So what you waiting for? Why don't you use your enlightenment and organize all the other TM enlightened to do a end the war trip to the Mid East? Eh? Put your ass where your mouth is - this would be a fine way to PROVE your enlightenment and the fact that Mahesh the Fraud Varma was not a fraud and the TMO is legit. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
I would think that you as a conservative would wants the troops home, bases closed and military spending reduced. After all that stuff is big government which you disdain so much.;-) On 11/25/2014 06:32 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
On 11/25/2014 11:03 AM, Bhairitu wrote: I would think that you as a conservative would wants the troops home, bases closed and military spending reduced. After all that stuff is big government which you disdain so much.;-) /Almost everyone, liberal or conservative, wants to bring our troops home, close the bases, and reduce the military spending. But, if the U.S. did that, who would defend Europe from the Russians and defend Japan and South Korea from the Chinese and North Koreans? Sometimes you just don't make any sense, Barry2. What would happen if the U.S. didn't honor signed treaties with our allies? I think you know the answer to this already, but I'd like to see your response in writing. Thanks./ On 11/25/2014 06:32 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
On 11/25/2014 09:18 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 11/25/2014 11:03 AM, Bhairitu wrote: I would think that you as a conservative would wants the troops home, bases closed and military spending reduced. After all that stuff is big government which you disdain so much.;-) /Almost everyone, liberal or conservative, wants to bring our troops home, close the bases, and reduce the military spending. But, if the U.S. did that, who would defend Europe from the Russians and defend Japan and South Korea from the Chinese and North Koreans? / 'Scuse me? Those countries can defend themselves. They've got plenty of money. Why should Americans do it? / Sometimes you just don't make any sense, Barry2./ Apprently because I'm talking above your pay grade. /What would happen if the U.S. didn't honor signed treaties with our allies? I think you know the answer to this already, but I'd like to see your response in writing. Thanks./ You mean the profit making military industrial complex would lose out on a lot of their blood money? On 11/25/2014 06:32 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
I would think that you as a conservative would wants the troops home, bases closed and military spending reduced. After all that stuff is big government which you disdain so much.;-) /Almost everyone, liberal or conservative, wants to bring our troops home, close the bases, and reduce the military spending. But, if the U.S. did that, who would defend Europe from the Russians and defend Japan and South Korea from the Chinese and North Koreans? / On 11/25/2014 11:51 AM, Bhairitu wrote: // 'Scuse me? Those countries can defend themselves. So, why then are the Ukrainians being invaded by Russian troops? Do you seriously believe that Finland could win a war against the Russians? They've got plenty of money. Not enough to win a war on their own. Thanks to the U.S. and it's military, sent in by the democratic president to save Europe and the Pacific from the Nazis and the Japanese and help rebuild their economy after it was destroyed by the Germans and Japanese war of aggression. You don't seem to be much on history. Go figure. /Germany conquered or controlled much of continental Europe, and formed the Axis alliance with Italy and Japan. In December 1941, Japan attacked the United States and European territories in the Pacific Ocean, and quickly conquered much of the Western Pacific./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt Why should Americans do it? Because the U.S. signed treaties with our allies in order to help them defend themselves? If the U.S. was to suddenly abrogate our agreements, how long do you think it would take for the Russians to annex all Europe? / / / Sometimes you just don't make any sense, Barry2./ Apprently because I'm talking above your pay grade. /You sound kind of naive about power and idealistic in the extreme. Go figure. / /What would happen if the U.S. didn't honor signed treaties with our allies? I think you know the answer to this already, but I'd like to see your response in writing. Thanks./ You mean the profit making military industrial complex would lose out on a lot of their blood money? /What profit? The U.S. military spends money, not make it. And, why do you suppose the U.S. Congress appropriates money to fund the U.S. military since before 1776?/ On 11/25/2014 06:32 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
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If the Vice documentary is correct IS has Iran on their agenda. Love to see them try that as Iran will take care of exterminating them. On 11/25/2014 10:36 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Fleetwood, IMO, Iraq and Syria have become a world problem. We now have seen the threat of the Islamist State if they took over the land. IS will massacre innocent people who won't submit to their beliefs within their dominion. IS will continue to usurp power and lands win the Middle East. If and when they succeed, the European countries and the USA will be next in their agenda. My recommendation would be have an international force, particularly those from Arab countries, to eliminate IS, maintain peace and stabilize Iraq and Syria. Also, it would be necessary to let the governments be truly democratic that will fairly distribute the power and wealth to all people, including the various ethnic minorities in those lands. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
The designated purpose of the military is protect the country and it's
interests. It surely is in the interest of the nation to see the continuous,
uninterrupted flow of oil to the rest of the world out of the middle east.
Whether we need middle eastern oil or not, the rest of the world does and since
our economies are so interconnected, to let our trading partners suffer a
sudden cut off would severely disrupt our own economy.Were there no tyrants in
the world, we wouldn't need a military anywhere. The purpose of the government
is to protect and defend our freedom , not to solve our own miserable, petty,
individual problems. Leave that to the individual states as they see fit.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
I would think that you as a conservative would wants the troops home,
bases closed and military spending reduced. After all that stuff is big
government which you disdain so much. ;-)
On 11/25/2014 06:32 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in
training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear
One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops
home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation
that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How
long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in
Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four
thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars,
and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the
toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all
again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news,
that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as
promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise!
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same
thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our
intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the
deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we
were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the
case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those
who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we
trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country
was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't
land troops again. What a mess.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against
the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to
carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US
troops may end up fighting in Iraq again.
In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall
apart.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
John, I agree 100%. However, I can't see Obama ever putting together a
coalition to do that. Nobody in the world trusts that guy! Remember all those
red lines in the sand? Do you think Ukrainians would beleive him? How about
Poland, Israel or any of our Arab allies? I think not. Obama has ruined any
trust we had with traditional allies and our enemies look at his as a wimp. As
for the UN sending troops, that's laughable. Unfortunately, any heavy lifting
would have to be done by us. We have the strength, power, military and economy
to do itbut no will.
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Mike,
As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to
eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be
shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should
contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of
fact, the UN should send their own troops there too.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training...
yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One*
decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops
home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation
that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How
long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in
Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four
thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars,
and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the
toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all
again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news,
that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as
promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise!
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing
applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in
Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of
their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting
our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only
attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to
defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar
army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a
couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again.
What a mess.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against
the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to
carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US
troops may end up fighting in Iraq again.
In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall
apart.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is
good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments
and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying
groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense
contractors.
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Mike,
As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to
eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be
shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should
contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of
fact, the UN should send their own troops there too.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training...
yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One*
decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops
home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation
that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How
long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in
Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four
thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars,
and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the
toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all
again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news,
that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as
promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise!
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing
applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in
Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of
their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting
our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only
attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to
defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar
army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a
couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again.
What a mess.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against
the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to
carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US
troops may end up fighting in Iraq again.
In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall
apart.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Yep, I agree with jr's suggestion, and too, that most in the US have world policeman fatigue, and no desire for another war. So, the best we can probably hope for, is to continue strategic strikes in the region, and contain the menace, to some degree. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : John, I agree 100%. However, I can't see Obama ever putting together a coalition to do that. Nobody in the world trusts that guy! Remember all those red lines in the sand? Do you think Ukrainians would beleive him? How about Poland, Israel or any of our Arab allies? I think not. Obama has ruined any trust we had with traditional allies and our enemies look at his as a wimp. As for the UN sending troops, that's laughable. Unfortunately, any heavy lifting would have to be done by us. We have the strength, power, military and economy to do itbut no will. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
No, you are being naive - lol Seriously, global military spending amounts to two and a half percent of world GDP. That's 97.5 percent, for other stuff. So, it is not the driver of the global economy, or vision, that you imply. However, it is nearly two trillion dollars, and that is a lot of potential cars, schools, houses, buildings, water systems, roads, etc., that don't happen. http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending World military expenditure in 2012 is estimated to have reached $1.756 trillion; This is a 0.4 per cent decrease in real terms than in 2011 — the first fall since 1998; The total is still higher than in any year between the end of World War II and 2010; This corresponds to 2.5 per cent of world gross domestic product (GDP), or approximately $249 for each person in the world ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
MJ, Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for the common good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
BTW MJ almost all the weapons used by those that we end up fighting bought
their weapons( AK 47's and RPGs) from China or former Soviet Union countries.
The US and our allies aren't making a penny off of the trouble makers. In
fact,we end up barrowing money from China to finance the destructiobn of the
weapons they supply to our enemies.
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
MJ,
Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and
exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to
promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in
the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of
stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this
is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for
the common good.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is
good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments
and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying
groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense
contractors.
From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Mike,
As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to
eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be
shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should
contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of
fact, the UN should send their own troops there too.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote :
Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training...
yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One*
decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops
home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation
that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How
long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in
Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four
thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars,
and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the
toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all
again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news,
that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as
promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise!
From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing
applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in
Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of
their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting
our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only
attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to
defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar
army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a
couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again.
What a mess.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote :
Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against
the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to
carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US
troops may end up fighting in Iraq again.
In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall
apart.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
You don't understand - the arms manufacturers AND all the other vendors who supply everything the army, navy, etc uses make money when these items are used in combat, which is one of the reasons our forces deliberately leave equipment behind when they vacate an area - the vendors and lobbyists pay the politicians to make sure they see to it the military does this and more to insure the government continually buys what the defense contractors sell - this is the military industrial complex Eisenhower spoke of - war is big business, make no mistake. As to your post, it don't mean shit where the Arabs get their arms from as long as our military keeps buying what they need from the American vendor. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS BTW MJ almost all the weapons used by those that we end up fighting bought their weapons( AK 47's and RPGs) from China or former Soviet Union countries. The US and our allies aren't making a penny off of the trouble makers. In fact,we end up barrowing money from China to finance the destructiobn of the weapons they supply to our enemies. From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS MJ, Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for the common good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
On 11/25/2014 7:02 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: BTW MJ almost all the weapons used by those that we end up fighting bought their weapons( AK 47's and RPGs) from China or former Soviet Union countries. The US and our allies aren't making a penny off of the trouble makers. In fact,we end up barrowing money from China to finance the destructiobn of the weapons they supply to our enemies. /You don't seriously expect someone of MJ's level of intelligence or education to understand something like this do you, Mike?/ *From:* jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS MJ, Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for the common good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. *From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
On 11/25/2014 8:38 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: You don't understand - the arms manufacturers AND all the other vendors who supply everything the army, navy, etc uses make money when these items are used in combat, which is one of the reasons our forces deliberately leave equipment behind when they vacate an area - the vendors and lobbyists pay the politicians to make sure they see to it the military does this and more to insure the government continually buys what the defense contractors sell - this is the military industrial complex Eisenhower spoke of - war is big business, make no mistake. As to your post, it don't mean shit where the Arabs get their arms from as long as our military keeps buying what they need from the American vendor. /YOU don't understand - you helped elect a guy that has absolutely zero experience doing anything. You were sold a pack of lies, and you were dumb enough to believe it. Go figure. / *From:* Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:02 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS BTW MJ almost all the weapons used by those that we end up fighting bought their weapons( AK 47's and RPGs) from China or former Soviet Union countries. The US and our allies aren't making a penny off of the trouble makers. In fact,we end up barrowing money from China to finance the destructiobn of the weapons they supply to our enemies. *From:* jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS MJ, Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for the common good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. *From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
It's about the debt that a conflict produces: http://youtu.be/UiN1xHaNDJ0 Debt = control. On 11/25/2014 05:02 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: BTW MJ almost all the weapons used by those that we end up fighting bought their weapons( AK 47's and RPGs) from China or former Soviet Union countries. The US and our allies aren't making a penny off of the trouble makers. In fact,we end up barrowing money from China to finance the destructiobn of the weapons they supply to our enemies. *From:* jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS MJ, Ideally, it's not a good national policy to base an economy solely and exclusively on war and ammunition production. But it is morally defensible to promote justice, freedom and equality in the world. If there is injustice in the world, it is licit to stop the violators of these ideals. The act of stopping the violators may unfortunately result in violence and wars. But this is justifiable because the means and the objective end are both moral and for the common good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being naive. The international community WANTS this situation - war is good for business. The more fighting there is the more money both governments and the arms manufacturers and arms dealers make, not to mention the lobbying groups who lobby the guv'ment on behalf of the arms makers and defense contractors. *From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS
Nope, realistically they are not going to stop until everyone there is exhausted of the violence and incoherence, like happened between the Protestants and Catholics in 18th and 19th Century Europe whence they finally gave up on each other and the separatists and agreed to stop in a mutuality. Not much else to do with these religious nuts other than observantly keep your own safety while they fight. Religion at that level is a different wave-length than spirituality. Best we can do from a distance is surround them with love. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome fleetwood_macncheese@... writes : Yep, I agree with jr's suggestion, and too, that most in the US have world policeman fatigue, and no desire for another war. So, the best we can probably hope for, is to continue strategic strikes in the region, and contain the menace, to some degree. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : John, I agree 100%. However, I can't see Obama ever putting together a coalition to do that. Nobody in the world trusts that guy! Remember all those red lines in the sand? Do you think Ukrainians would beleive him? How about Poland, Israel or any of our Arab allies? I think not. Obama has ruined any trust we had with traditional allies and our enemies look at his as a wimp. As for the UN sending troops, that's laughable. Unfortunately, any heavy lifting would have to be done by us. We have the strength, power, military and economy to do itbut no will. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
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Buck, That's a great observation. There is a similarity between the religious wars in Europe during the centuries you mentioned and the conflicts that are taking place in the Middle East today. It's easy to say that we should avoid the conflict. But that may not be possible since everything now is inter-related. What is happening in Iraq and Syria will eventually affect the rest of the world. So, the world governments are compelled to act against the rise of IS in those countries to avoid the potential downfall not only of western culture, but of world civilizations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Nope, realistically they are not going to stop until everyone there is exhausted of the violence and incoherence, like happened between the Protestants and Catholics in 18th and 19th Century Europe whence they finally gave up on each other and the separatists and agreed to stop in a mutuality. Not much else to do with these religious nuts other than observantly keep your own safety while they fight. Religion at that level is a different wave-length than spirituality. Best we can do from a distance is surround them with love. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome fleetwood_macncheese@... writes : Yep, I agree with jr's suggestion, and too, that most in the US have world policeman fatigue, and no desire for another war. So, the best we can probably hope for, is to continue strategic strikes in the region, and contain the menace, to some degree. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : John, I agree 100%. However, I can't see Obama ever putting together a coalition to do that. Nobody in the world trusts that guy! Remember all those red lines in the sand? Do you think Ukrainians would beleive him? How about Poland, Israel or any of our Arab allies? I think not. Obama has ruined any trust we had with traditional allies and our enemies look at his as a wimp. As for the UN sending troops, that's laughable. Unfortunately, any heavy lifting would have to be done by us. We have the strength, power, military and economy to do itbut no will. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS Mike, As I mentioned to Fleetwood, the solution is to have an international force to eliminate IS, maintain the peace and stability in the land. This should not be shouldered by the USA exclusively. The Arab and European countries should contribute their share of troop strength in this endeavor. As a matter of fact, the UN should send their own troops there too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Funny thing is... we had it won by 2008. We had an Iraqi army in training... yes training and relative calm and order established when our *Dear One* decided that He needed to fulfill his campaign promise to bring the troops home, before the Iraqis were really ready. Now we're in this current situation that Bush and everyone else warned would happen if we left prematurely. How long would we have needed to stay? Who knows? We still have troops in Duetschland and Japan and they aren't seen as occupiers but as allies. Four thousand lives, hundreds of thousands of minds and limbs, trillions of dollars, and hopes for a stabilizing force for peace in a region, flushed down the toilet for a campaign promise and now we may be need to return and do it all again or face a worse situation. Did you notice, barely mentioned in the news, that the troops are not coming home from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, as promised? Yes, now they're staying... indefinitely. Surprise surprise! From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task
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Another good point, I must say. MJ's brain is just steeped in Maharishi's teaching, as I've said, perhaps more than anyone in the world. It is the backdrop and point of reference of everything that he does, and thinks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : There is no way, at all, to end the war within you, MJ. Even if I did exactly as you say in your post. Next, it would be your burnt toast, or your stubbed toe, or the fight you had with your wife. Peace begins within. Otherwise, it just causes you more misery to blame your lack of same, on something else. Hope you have a good Thanksgiving (and I wouldn't broach your favorite rant at the table, either, just this once...). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : How can an enlightened person be naive? And according to TMO knowledge that they got from Mahesh the Fraud Varma, all that should be necessary to end the wars in that area of the world would be for you and all the other at least 10,000 TM enlightened people to go to the Middle East and just hang around and your sattva will automatically and spontaneously eliminate all the stress, conflict and negativity. So what you waiting for? Why don't you use your enlightenment and organize all the other TM enlightened to do a end the war trip to the Mid East? Eh? Put your ass where your mouth is - this would be a fine way to PROVE your enlightenment and the fact that Mahesh the Fraud Varma was not a fraud and the TMO is legit. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US-Supplied Weapons End Up With IS You know that sign in gift shops, you break it, you buy it? Same thing applies here - We own the mess. I was a little naive about our intentions in Iraq when we went in the first time, but after I saw the deliberate sacking of their national museum, and have recognized since that we were solely protecting our interests, their culture be damned. This being the case, we will only attract those who need work, into the Iraqi army, not those who truly want to defend their country. Remember Vietnamization, where we trained a similar army in S. Vietnam, to fight their own battles? The country was overrun in a couple of years. Same thing will happen in Iraq, if we don't land troops again. What a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Entrenched corruption in the Iraqi military is undermining the fight against the Islamic State. This is the downside in relying on a questionable army to carry out the task of suppressing the Islamists. If conditions get worse, US troops may end up fighting in Iraq again. In the meantime, Iran is secretly working on acquiring Iraq if things fall apart. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iraq-corrupt-government-weapons-reportedly-133416968.html
