Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
Emily - According to MMY, meditation is based on thinking - Anyone who can think can meditate. Meditation simply means to think things over. Based on that definition, everyone on the entire planet meditates. Everyone pauses once or twice a day to take stock of their own mental contents. And, we're all transcending all the time, even without a special technique! There are a few things about TM that Barry and Judy didn't tell you about TM - it costs thousands of dollars to learn TM, and that alone wouldn't entitle you to get inside the golden dome at MUM for a group meditation. For that, you'd probably have to pay thousands of more dollars to learn the TM-Sidhi program. Barry posted that he paid over $5,000 in order to learn how to bun-hop. However, there are lots of places you can learn how to meditate for free. Go figure. And, even if you did learn TM you'd probably be meditating on your own anyway. It's not likely you'd ever get to Fairfield, IA to just be able to join a group meditation inside the MUM women's dome, and there's only three other golden domes that I know of. One is down here at Radiance, TX, at the TM Ideal Village - the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge - home of the Super Radiance Program; and there's a golden dome at Skelmer's Dale - Sidha Land - over in Lancashire, UK; and there's a golden dome called Siddha Dorp over in Lelystad, NE. Not likely you'd be over there anytime soon either, just to be able to meditate inside a golden dome. So, I can speak from some experience having been initiated into TM back in 1964 - according to Beaulah Smith, I was TMer #214 in the U.S. I meditated with MMY himself on several occasions at the SRM and I have learned two advanced techniques from SIMS under Jerry Jarvis in 1965 and Brahmacharya Satyanand in 1968. Before I started TM I was a meditation student at the SRF under Swami Paramahamsa Yogananda in Los Angeles, CA, and I can say without the least hesitation that TM is very similar to the Kriya Yoga that I learned there. Later, I moved to San Francisco, CA and sat under Shunryu Suzuki at the SFZC for two years and then I sat for another year at the Shambhala Meditation Center in Boulder, CO under the direction of Lama Chogyam Trungpa. I've been meditating every day for over forty-nine years and I will attest that meditation is very similar in many different traditions. If you have any question about meditation I could probably teach you how to meditate in just a few minutes. It's not complicated. Self Realization Fellowship: http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ San Francisco Zen Center: http://www.sfzc.org/ Shambhala Meditation Center: http://www.boulder.shambhala.org/ meditation – noun 1. to think calm thoughts in order to relax or as a religious activity: Sophie meditates for 20 minutes every day. 2. to think seriously about something for a long time: He meditated on the consequences of his decision. Works cited: 'Maharishi - A Promise for the Family of Man' Historic Lecture at Jones Hall, Houston, TX http://youtu.be/k3swI5n_mW0 Cambridge University Dictionary: http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 On 11/30/2013 11:44 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Barry, you stooge. How do you know I never learned to meditate? You would be wrong on that count. I never learned TM, is what I've said. I am contributing to your discussion here by posting this link by Ellen Degeneres on meditation. While deep in meditation designing a pair of sunglasses for her third eye (or something like that) she monologues...the teacher hits the gong and then I jump and I almost yell Oh My God,, but because I'm smart I yell Ohhhm.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: Emily - According to MMY, meditation is based on thinking - Anyone who can think can meditate. Meditation simply means to think things over. Based on that definition, everyone on the entire planet meditates. Everyone pauses once or twice a day to take stock of their own mental contents. And, we're all transcending all the time, even without a special technique! There are a few things about TM that Barry and Judy didn't tell you about TM - it costs thousands of dollars to learn TM, and that alone wouldn't entitle you to get inside the golden dome at MUM for a group meditation. For that, you'd probably have to pay thousands of more dollars to learn the TM-Sidhi program. Barry posted that he paid over $5,000 in order to learn how to bun-hop. However, there are lots of places you can learn how to meditate for free. Go figure. And, even if you did learn TM you'd probably be meditating on your own anyway. It's not likely you'd ever get to Fairfield, IA to just be able to join a group meditation inside the MUM women's dome, and there's only three other golden domes that I know of. One is down here at Radiance, TX, at the TM Ideal Village - the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge - home of the Super Radiance Program; and there's a golden dome at Skelmer's Dale - Sidha Land - over in Lancashire, UK; and there's a golden dome called Siddha Dorp over in Lelystad, NE. Not likely you'd be over there anytime soon either, just to be able to meditate inside a golden dome. So, I can speak from some experience having been initiated into TM back in 1964 - according to Beaulah Smith, I was TMer #214 in the U.S. I meditated with MMY himself on several occasions at the SRM and I have learned two advanced techniques from SIMS under Jerry Jarvis in 1965 and Brahmacharya Satyanand in 1968. Before I started TM I was a meditation student at the SRF under Swami Paramahamsa Yogananda in Los Angeles, CA, and I can say without the least hesitation that TM is very similar to the Kriya Yoga that I learned there. Later, I moved to San Francisco, CA and sat under Shunryu Suzuki at the SFZC for two years and then I sat for another year at the Shambhala Meditation Center in Boulder, CO under the direction of Lama Chogyam Trungpa. I've been meditating every day for over forty-nine years and I will attest that meditation is very similar in many different traditions. If you have any question about meditation I could probably teach you how to meditate in just a few minutes. It's not complicated. Great post Richard. Self Realization Fellowship: http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ San Francisco Zen Center: http://www.sfzc.org/ http://www.sfzc.org/ Shambhala Meditation Center: http://www.boulder.shambhala.org/ http://www.boulder.shambhala.org/ meditation – noun 1. to think calm thoughts in order to relax or as a religious activity: Sophie meditates for 20 minutes every day. 2. to think seriously about something for a long time: He meditated on the consequences of his decision. Works cited: 'Maharishi - A Promise for the Family of Man' Historic Lecture at Jones Hall, Houston, TX http://youtu.be/k3swI5n_mW0 Cambridge University Dictionary: http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 On 11/30/2013 11:44 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Barry, you stooge. How do you know I never learned to meditate? You would be wrong on that count. I never learned TM, is what I've said. I am contributing to your discussion here by posting this link by Ellen Degeneres on meditation. While deep in meditation designing a pair of sunglasses for her third eye (or something like that) she monologues...the teacher hits the gong and then I jump and I almost yell Oh My God,, but because I'm smart I yell Ohhhm.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
Richard, as far as I'm concerned, if one can breathe, one can meditate. The mind is an endless playground. What it thinks it knows is simply feeding its high opinion of itself. I want to live my life based on core principles and a connection to life that stems from the heart and soul and informs my mind so that it *can* be aware. I do want to improve my character and I want my behavior to reflect my intentions as aligned with the *reality of life and human beingness*. Stilling the mind is helpful to get it out of the way and allow for this possibility to occur. Teaching and training my mind what to pay attention to and how to interpret experience is important also, imho. At this moment, this is my approach. TM isn't a necessary part of this approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: Emily - According to MMY, meditation is based on thinking - Anyone who can think can meditate. Meditation simply means to think things over. Based on that definition, everyone on the entire planet meditates. Everyone pauses once or twice a day to take stock of their own mental contents. And, we're all transcending all the time, even without a special technique! There are a few things about TM that Barry and Judy didn't tell you about TM - it costs thousands of dollars to learn TM, and that alone wouldn't entitle you to get inside the golden dome at MUM for a group meditation. For that, you'd probably have to pay thousands of more dollars to learn the TM-Sidhi program. Barry posted that he paid over $5,000 in order to learn how to bun-hop. However, there are lots of places you can learn how to meditate for free. Go figure. And, even if you did learn TM you'd probably be meditating on your own anyway. It's not likely you'd ever get to Fairfield, IA to just be able to join a group meditation inside the MUM women's dome, and there's only three other golden domes that I know of. One is down here at Radiance, TX, at the TM Ideal Village - the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge - home of the Super Radiance Program; and there's a golden dome at Skelmer's Dale - Sidha Land - over in Lancashire, UK; and there's a golden dome called Siddha Dorp over in Lelystad, NE. Not likely you'd be over there anytime soon either, just to be able to meditate inside a golden dome. So, I can speak from some experience having been initiated into TM back in 1964 - according to Beaulah Smith, I was TMer #214 in the U.S. I meditated with MMY himself on several occasions at the SRM and I have learned two advanced techniques from SIMS under Jerry Jarvis in 1965 and Brahmacharya Satyanand in 1968. Before I started TM I was a meditation student at the SRF under Swami Paramahamsa Yogananda in Los Angeles, CA, and I can say without the least hesitation that TM is very similar to the Kriya Yoga that I learned there. Later, I moved to San Francisco, CA and sat under Shunryu Suzuki at the SFZC for two years and then I sat for another year at the Shambhala Meditation Center in Boulder, CO under the direction of Lama Chogyam Trungpa. I've been meditating every day for over forty-nine years and I will attest that meditation is very similar in many different traditions. If you have any question about meditation I could probably teach you how to meditate in just a few minutes. It's not complicated. Self Realization Fellowship: http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ San Francisco Zen Center: http://www.sfzc.org/ http://www.sfzc.org/ Shambhala Meditation Center: http://www.boulder.shambhala.org/ http://www.boulder.shambhala.org/ meditation – noun 1. to think calm thoughts in order to relax or as a religious activity: Sophie meditates for 20 minutes every day. 2. to think seriously about something for a long time: He meditated on the consequences of his decision. Works cited: 'Maharishi - A Promise for the Family of Man' Historic Lecture at Jones Hall, Houston, TX http://youtu.be/k3swI5n_mW0 Cambridge University Dictionary: http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 On 11/30/2013 11:44 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Barry, you stooge. How do you know I never learned to meditate? You would be wrong on that count. I never learned TM, is what I've said. I am contributing to your discussion here by posting this link by Ellen Degeneres on meditation. While deep in meditation designing a pair of sunglasses for her third eye (or something like that) she monologues...the teacher hits the gong and then I jump and I almost yell Oh My God,, but because I'm smart I yell Ohhhm.
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
P.S. And thank you Richard for offering, but I don't need to be taught how to meditate. I know how. Smile. I like what you said about how meditation is very similar in many different traditions. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Richard, as far as I'm concerned, if one can breathe, one can meditate. The mind is an endless playground. What it thinks it knows is simply feeding its high opinion of itself. I want to live my life based on core principles and a connection to life that stems from the heart and soul and informs my mind so that it *can* be aware. I do want to improve my character and I want my behavior to reflect my intentions as aligned with the *reality of life and human beingness*. Stilling the mind is helpful to get it out of the way and allow for this possibility to occur. Teaching and training my mind what to pay attention to and how to interpret experience is important also, imho. At this moment, this is my approach. TM isn't a necessary part of this approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: Emily - According to MMY, meditation is based on thinking - Anyone who can think can meditate. Meditation simply means to think things over. Based on that definition, everyone on the entire planet meditates. Everyone pauses once or twice a day to take stock of their own mental contents. And, we're all transcending all the time, even without a special technique! There are a few things about TM that Barry and Judy didn't tell you about TM - it costs thousands of dollars to learn TM, and that alone wouldn't entitle you to get inside the golden dome at MUM for a group meditation. For that, you'd probably have to pay thousands of more dollars to learn the TM-Sidhi program. Barry posted that he paid over $5,000 in order to learn how to bun-hop. However, there are lots of places you can learn how to meditate for free. Go figure. And, even if you did learn TM you'd probably be meditating on your own anyway. It's not likely you'd ever get to Fairfield, IA to just be able to join a group meditation inside the MUM women's dome, and there's only three other golden domes that I know of. One is down here at Radiance, TX, at the TM Ideal Village - the Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge - home of the Super Radiance Program; and there's a golden dome at Skelmer's Dale - Sidha Land - over in Lancashire, UK; and there's a golden dome called Siddha Dorp over in Lelystad, NE. Not likely you'd be over there anytime soon either, just to be able to meditate inside a golden dome. So, I can speak from some experience having been initiated into TM back in 1964 - according to Beaulah Smith, I was TMer #214 in the U.S. I meditated with MMY himself on several occasions at the SRM and I have learned two advanced techniques from SIMS under Jerry Jarvis in 1965 and Brahmacharya Satyanand in 1968. Before I started TM I was a meditation student at the SRF under Swami Paramahamsa Yogananda in Los Angeles, CA, and I can say without the least hesitation that TM is very similar to the Kriya Yoga that I learned there. Later, I moved to San Francisco, CA and sat under Shunryu Suzuki at the SFZC for two years and then I sat for another year at the Shambhala Meditation Center in Boulder, CO under the direction of Lama Chogyam Trungpa. I've been meditating every day for over forty-nine years and I will attest that meditation is very similar in many different traditions. If you have any question about meditation I could probably teach you how to meditate in just a few minutes. It's not complicated. Self Realization Fellowship: http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ http://www.yogananda-srf.org/ San Francisco Zen Center: http://www.sfzc.org/ http://www.sfzc.org/ Shambhala Meditation Center: http://www.boulder.shambhala.org/ http://www.boulder.shambhala.org/ meditation – noun 1. to think calm thoughts in order to relax or as a religious activity: Sophie meditates for 20 minutes every day. 2. to think seriously about something for a long time: He meditated on the consequences of his decision. Works cited: 'Maharishi - A Promise for the Family of Man' Historic Lecture at Jones Hall, Houston, TX http://youtu.be/k3swI5n_mW0 Cambridge University Dictionary: http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 http://tinyurl.com/dz5ut2 On 11/30/2013 11:44 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: Barry, you stooge. How do you know I never learned to meditate? You would be wrong on that count. I never learned TM, is what I've said. I am contributing to your discussion here by posting this link by Ellen Degeneres on meditation. While deep in meditation designing a pair of sunglasses for her third eye (or something like that) she monologues...the teacher hits the gong and then I jump and I almost yell Oh My God,, but because I'm smart I yell Ohhhm.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Poor Judy Stein
Now this really funny - FFL as 'Snakes on a Plane. One thing is NOT in dispute: that Judy is mean and sometimes downright nasty and often resorts to using an echo in a debate as a way of avoiding the issue at hand. LoL! On 11/30/2013 3:55 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Ha. Funny scenario discovered on the Internet. You've heard of the movie Snakes On A Plane? Well, this is FFL It's All About Me Behavior On A Plane. :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/29/annoying-airplane-passenger_n_4360667.html Doesn't Diane remind you of anyone, how she wants the world to revolve around her and work the way *she* wants it to work? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: Here she is having a total meltdown becuz no one believes her crap about being a crusader against dishonesty and even Feste is calling her on her meanness and nails her in a lie about punctuation on blogs and y'know what the worst part is? She can't get anyone to come to her defense the way they used to. The only person who is willing to stand up for Judy any more is the woman who never learned to meditate, has nothing to contribute to the ongoing discussions here, and who only posts to this forum because it gives *her* an opportunity to be mean to people. Birds of a feather, eh? Personally I find it all pretty heartening. A few months ago if Judy had thrown a hissy fit like this and tried to pose as some kind of noble crusader against untruth (because, of course, only SHE knows the truth), she could have gotten a few people to pile on and defend her. But even *they* distance themselves from her these days. Not that that'll stop her, of course. Judy will do what she's always done, and possibly even louder. But at least now she'll be standing in the street screaming like an insane bag lady *all by herself*, and hopefully no one but other crazies will be taken in by the screaming...
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Poor Judy Stein
Deny everything; blame others; and be bitter. On 11/30/2013 8:25 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Are you /insane/? That I've been on a crusade against dishonesty here for years, and that you are a sadistic liar, is not even in dispute. I don't need anybody to come to my defense concerning facts known to all. Nor does it make any sense for the shlub who addressed two--count 'em, two--SHUT THE FUCK UP posts to poor dear Share to complain about anybody else's unkindness.* * * *But it was extraordinarily stupid of you to attack Emily, of all people, probably the sanest and most reasonable person on FFL. Also distinctly foolhardy to claim I've been lying about the periods-between-every-word thing when you know it's true and that I can (and will) prove it. Trivial, but so representative.* * * *Go /wy/ back and SIDDOWN.* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAJfqldrZ3g ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Here she is having a total meltdown becuz no one believes her crap about being a crusader against dishonesty and even Feste is calling her on her meanness and nails her in a lie about punctuation on blogs and y'know what the worst part is? She can't get anyone to come to her defense the way they used to. The only person who is willing to stand up for Judy any more is the woman who never learned to meditate, has nothing to contribute to the ongoing discussions here, and who only posts to this forum because it gives *her* an opportunity to be mean to people. Birds of a feather, eh? Personally I find it all pretty heartening. A few months ago if Judy had thrown a hissy fit like this and tried to pose as some kind of noble crusader against untruth (because, of course, only SHE knows the truth), she could have gotten a few people to pile on and defend her. But even *they* distance themselves from her these days. Not that that'll stop her, of course. Judy will do what she's always done, and possibly even louder. But at least now she'll be standing in the street screaming like an insane bag lady *all by herself*, and hopefully no one but other crazies will be taken in by the screaming...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: helping Judy with not average
On 7/1/2013 7:41 PM, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy has said that she thinks Robin is not average. She has also said that she has NOT said that he's above average. Very clever is our Judy. Does this mean that she thinks Robin is BELOW average?! Helping her out, perhaps she meant that she thinks Robin is: Allegorically average Beatifically Chronologically Dormantly Ecumenically Fortuitously Gloriously Horizontally Interestingly Jauntily Kinesthetically Languidly Moderately Nautically Occularly Preternatually Quintessentially Robustly Singularly Talamudically Uniquely : Voluminously Whimsically Xenophobically Youthfully Zealously I see you broke out the thesaurus today. Tomorrow we are having a spelling bee and the day after, the geography quiz. In the meantime, three Hail Marys and four Lord's Prayers for being petty, vindictive and small minded. I would like to think that might heal you since your other 99 modalities have apparently failed to. I don't think Share is in a space to see how ridiculous she sounded in her exchange with Judy - she is no shape to see her petty, vindictive small-mindedness. Oh well - we can always talk about coming transits.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
I assume you write these things to amuse yourself, I hope so because if you are serious you are showing amazing stupidity and ignorance. I was never a student at MIU - I was on staff. There was no degree in baking at MIU nor is there one now at MUM. They don't and didn't seem to value practical degrees, just mainly degrees in vedic this and that and consciousness that and this. I already gave you the names of most of the cooks in the time I was there - the fact that you don't know then is none of my concern Why I bother to respond to your ignorance is beyond me - I guess if when I was the baker I had fashioned buddhist stupas out of dough and worn them on my head, I might have gotten more out of my time at Marshy I want your money University. From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Share Long: Richard, is this there one of them there red herrings or Aunt Sallys or straw individuals? No, just free advice so you don't get your mind raped. LoL! And hopefully by now MJ realizes that you love to taunt him about allegedly being an MIU student. Never heard of a college student that didn't take English or History. There's no 'MJ' Share, it's just another anonymous informant, poioning the well. Nobody I know ever heard of him up there, baking or otherwise. So, we haven't heard the full story, obviously. After reading TM discussion groups for fifteen years, I can say without the least hesitation, there's always an untold story. Take the example of Lon P. Stacks or Steve Perino. Why anyone would want to be a 'baker' up at MIU and not pursue a degree in cookin is beyond me. Curtis got a degree in Philosophy up there and Kirk Bernhardt got a degree in English from MIU, so I know it can be done. So, what's the point? Alex don't need no stinkin' MUM degree because he's already living in Heaven on Earth out there. Go figure. Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you. When someone says they believe they can tell you what to think, you have the right to tell them you believe you have the right to tell them where to go. LoL! Moving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin. I think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs. I think I was lacking in psychological development. I think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours. And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them. Even now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends. It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped. Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience. Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact. In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me. So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand. And I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it. EMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen. Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower. It's that your assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher. Indicating only that it's all relative. As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own posts. I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to acknowledge. Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent. Or maybe ignore the whole thing. Beyond that it is the workings of karma. Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy. Correcting Judy: I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin rejoined in June 2012. You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies. Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012, as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates. I should have double-checked
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
RICHARD! I think I'm doing pretty dang good with the boundary setting but YMMV. Go figure and LOL too! Actually I think MIU did have some certificate programs for cooking and woodworking and ayurveda teching and such. PS I admit that after my posts to Doc this morning I'm worried that Robin will henceforth be known in cyberspace as he who psychologically raped a Seriously Excitable Vegetable. From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Share Long: Richard, is this there one of them there red herrings or Aunt Sallys or straw individuals? No, just free advice so you don't get your mind raped. LoL! And hopefully by now MJ realizes that you love to taunt him about allegedly being an MIU student. Never heard of a college student that didn't take English or History. There's no 'MJ' Share, it's just another anonymous informant, poioning the well. Nobody I know ever heard of him up there, baking or otherwise. So, we haven't heard the full story, obviously. After reading TM discussion groups for fifteen years, I can say without the least hesitation, there's always an untold story. Take the example of Lon P. Stacks or Steve Perino. Why anyone would want to be a 'baker' up at MIU and not pursue a degree in cookin is beyond me. Curtis got a degree in Philosophy up there and Kirk Bernhardt got a degree in English from MIU, so I know it can be done. So, what's the point? Alex don't need no stinkin' MUM degree because he's already living in Heaven on Earth out there. Go figure. Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you. When someone says they believe they can tell you what to think, you have the right to tell them you believe you have the right to tell them where to go. LoL! Moving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin. I think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs. I think I was lacking in psychological development. I think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours. And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them. Even now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends. It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped. Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience. Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact. In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me. So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand. And I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it. EMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen. Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower. It's that your assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher. Indicating only that it's all relative. As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own posts. I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to acknowledge. Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent. Or maybe ignore the whole thing. Beyond that it is the workings of karma. Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy. Correcting Judy: I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin rejoined in June 2012. You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies. Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012, as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates. I should have double-checked. However, my point stands: You were not new either to FFL or to Robin at the time he made the remarks that you decided four weeks later constituted psychological rape. You had been on FFL for three-and-a-half months, and your conversations with Robin had begun in early July, two months previously.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
Not when I was there 85-87 From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R RICHARD! I think I'm doing pretty dang good with the boundary setting but YMMV. Go figure and LOL too! Actually I think MIU did have some certificate programs for cooking and woodworking and ayurveda teching and such. PS I admit that after my posts to Doc this morning I'm worried that Robin will henceforth be known in cyberspace as he who psychologically raped a Seriously Excitable Vegetable. From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:21 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Share Long: Richard, is this there one of them there red herrings or Aunt Sallys or straw individuals? No, just free advice so you don't get your mind raped. LoL! And hopefully by now MJ realizes that you love to taunt him about allegedly being an MIU student. Never heard of a college student that didn't take English or History. There's no 'MJ' Share, it's just another anonymous informant, poioning the well. Nobody I know ever heard of him up there, baking or otherwise. So, we haven't heard the full story, obviously. After reading TM discussion groups for fifteen years, I can say without the least hesitation, there's always an untold story. Take the example of Lon P. Stacks or Steve Perino. Why anyone would want to be a 'baker' up at MIU and not pursue a degree in cookin is beyond me. Curtis got a degree in Philosophy up there and Kirk Bernhardt got a degree in English from MIU, so I know it can be done. So, what's the point? Alex don't need no stinkin' MUM degree because he's already living in Heaven on Earth out there. Go figure. Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you. When someone says they believe they can tell you what to think, you have the right to tell them you believe you have the right to tell them where to go. LoL! Moving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin. I think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs. I think I was lacking in psychological development. I think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours. And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them. Even now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends. It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped. Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience. Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact. In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me. So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand. And I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it. EMILY, take note, my incorporating of the insights of others will continue to happen. Judy, it's not that I keep going lower and lower. It's that your assessment of your POV keeps going higher and higher. Indicating only that it's all relative. As for your concern about Robin's reputation, as one poster recently said here, what I said was a blip on the screen in comparison to Robin's own posts. I'd add that the postings of many of his supporters also affects his reputation negatively, as difficult as that might be for them to acknowledge. Reasonable people everywhere will consider all that is pertinent. Or maybe ignore the whole thing. Beyond that it is the workings of karma. Poor archives, still being selectively eschewed by Judy. Correcting Judy: I joined FFL in May 2012 and Robin rejoined in June 2012. You are absolutely right, my mistake, and my apologies. Robin *first* joined FFL in June 2011, left in January 2012, and returned in June. You joined in May 2012, as you say. Apparently I conflated the two June dates. I should have double-checked. However, my point stands
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R
This is very funny Richard. From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Share, Judy and Robin, was J gets another fact wrong and S apologizes to R Michael Jackson: I assume you write these things to amuse yourself Well, it is a little more amusing, not much, to read about a baker 'MJ' that flunked out of a religious school up in Iowa, than to read about a Canadian who passed out leaflets signed 'RWC'. LoL! I hope so because if you are serious you are showing amazing stupidity and ignorance. So, you went up to Iowa to bake and levitate for two years, mumbling non-sense gibberish so you could fly inside a golden dome, with a bunch of other bakers, but I'm showing an amazing stupidity and ignorance? I was never a student at MIU - I was on staff. And, this would be interesting to read about by somebody like Curtis who managed to get a degree in Philosophy from MUM? There was no degree in baking at MIU nor is there one now at MUM. This is totally outrageous! They don't and didn't seem to value practical degrees, just mainly degrees in vedic this and that and consciousness that and this. Tell me about it - I wanted to get a degree in Building Custodianship at a junior college, but the closest I could come was data entry or maybe keyboarding. There should be more opportunity for bakers and janitors, in my opinion. I already gave you the names of most of the cooks in the time I was there - the fact that you don't know then is none of my concern They said they never heard of you. Go figure. Why I bother to respond to your ignorance is beyond me - I guess if when I was the baker I had fashioned buddhist stupas out of dough and worn them on my head, I might have gotten more out of my time at Marshy I want your money University. Maybe so, but if want a real good education you might try a Rudolf Steiner school - it's never to late to start learning about drawing and art. Richard, is this there one of them there red herrings or Aunt Sallys or straw individuals? No, just free advice so you don't get your mind raped. LoL! And hopefully by now MJ realizes that you love to taunt him about allegedly being an MIU student. Never heard of a college student that didn't take English or History. There's no 'MJ' Share, it's just another anonymous informant, poioning the well. Nobody I know ever heard of him up there, baking or otherwise. So, we haven't heard the full story, obviously. After reading TM discussion groups for fifteen years, I can say without the least hesitation, there's always an untold story. Take the example of Lon P. Stacks or Steve Perino. Why anyone would want to be a 'baker' up at MIU and not pursue a degree in cookin is beyond me. Curtis got a degree in Philosophy up there and Kirk Bernhardt got a degree in English from MIU, so I know it can be done. So, what's the point? Alex don't need no stinkin' MUM degree because he's already living in Heaven on Earth out there. Go figure. Ok, Judy, apologies accepted, thank you. When someone says they believe they can tell you what to think, you have the right to tell them you believe you have the right to tell them where to go. LoL! Moving on, you think I was wrong when I said psychologically raped to Robin. I think I was emotionally upset, as well as overwhelmed by many other inputs. I think I was lacking in psychological development. I think I was lacking in certain communication skills. Nonetheless I think my POV is more accurate and inclusive of the whole truth than yours. And my inner Xeno is smiling wryly about that. My statements on and about Sept 6 were all genuine expressions of how I was feeling when I wrote them. Even now I assess those posts as accurately reporting that I was very upset with Robin and also giving him the benefit of the doubt because I wanted to see if there was a way to continue being friends. It is true that I was experiencing a mix and range of physical and emotional states from grumpiness to feeling psychologically raped. Mix and range of inner experiences is something humans experience. Though evidently not all humans recognize this fact. In addition, every time Xeno, Curtis, Steve, feste and others write about this, their clarity and greater objectivity has helped me understand what was often subjective and emotionally challenging for me. So I am grateful to them all for helping me find the words to understand events and individuals that I'm still trying to understand. And I continue to incorporate their understandings and wordings into my thinking and writing about it. EMILY, take note, my
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 6:55 AM, awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: I read this post of yours after piling on to Barry just now but I followed your advice, only before I actually read the advice. Just goes to show the synchronicity in the Universe, great minds and all that. (There always were those special guys who were able to hang with the girls in school and fit in perfectly. In fact, my husband is one of them. He likes fraternizing with the women more than men most of the time.) Thank you dear Ann - I'm indeed like your husband, I have always preferred the company of women. I was very introverted, self-absorbed when young only reverting to extroverted, playful mood around women - it was fun to playfully tease them and get teased back. My guy friends would pick on me for hanging with girls but I would tell them that boys were boring in comparison to girls.
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On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:11 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Dear Ravi, How fortunate for you that you have found such a perfect set of peers to hang with here on FFL. After all, it is not every Internet forum on which you can find a bunch of girls whose emotional maturity stopped at the same level yours did, in high school. I fully understand how guys such as yourself would feel most comfortable around women most guys would consider petty, vindictive uberbitches; that is, after all, one of the reasons the universe in its infinite wisdom evolved the concept of fag hag. If you ever feel that you've evolved enough to hang with actual adult women who have things to say other than sniping at other women, might I suggest that you converse occasionally with Susan, Sal, Ruth, or others who aren't emotionally and intellectually stuck in the halcyon days of their teens. They won't stroke you and pretend that you're actually a real guy like the fag hags do, but you might learn something new, and that would be a change for you. Oh Barry baby that's so sweet, I knew you had a crush on me. The haters will take your post literally but I won't, I only see your yearning finally articulating itself in this post. OMG - Barry called me dear Ravi !!! Barry doesn't address anyone as dear - OMG he loves me - Yaay !!!. I was going to trash the year 2012 as disappointing but now with your dear Ravi post, even if it's coming at the fag end of the year - I'm going to move 2012 to the remarkable column. No - Barry - I love you too baby.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:08 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I think it's all a little tacky, and too much like a bitchy high school girl clique ( and I include both Robin and Ravi as girls :-) to watch any of it. It's all too predictable at this point, and too Drama Queens On Parade to bother with. I don't know about others Barry baby I absolutely love high school chick flicks - I would love to be one of the high school girls and bitch about other girls - they always seem to have so much fun - so this is an honor. Clueless was one of my favorite films and I fell in love with Alicia Silverstone for a while. Anyway looks like the little bitch Barry needs some attention - Judy, Ann, Emily, raunchy - please let's all pile on him and have some fun.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno
I agree Xeno. I think Judy and I, and Robin and I also, are simply too different to ever understand each other. I said this to Robin after one of the several upsets. I've recently realized it about me and Judy too. I think it's just the way life sometimes is. BTW, you were right a while back when you said that maybe my being on FFL was a way for me to test myself. I was studying the archives last Thursday and Friday to better understand all that has happened. I felt sad when I saw how it used to be more friendly. And I get my part in ALL of it. I could see the mistakes I made along the way. But I still totally believe in and hope for making amends and forgiveness and more peace and happiness for everyone. Maybe Buck's optimism is getting to me (-: From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 4:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present. No, no, Share, generalizations are not acceptable. They're one of your many ways of avoiding accountability for what you say. snip There are those who see forests and those who see trees. Share seems to be a generalist, a caretaker of forests. You are far more specific, taking care of individual trees. I do not think you two will ever connect. There is something to say for each of these views, but such a divergence between them will never line up as an argument. Your thinking styles are simply not compatible. She cannot understand you, and you cannot understand her, though I suspect you feel you have Share pegged, and she feels she has you pegged. This is an opinion, not a fact. If it were a fact, it would be hopeless to continue, unless bickering is the gold standard for social congress.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry
I replied to Judy because some of the guys were constantly taking punches for me and I hoped to end that. I reply to Emily because sometimes that can be fun. Same with Ravi. I don't reply to Ann or Raunchy any more. I reply to Robin when I see what I think is a glitch in his written expressions. If I replied to all of the women's posts, I'd post out by Saturday night (-: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 3:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present. No, no, Share, generalizations are not acceptable. They're one of your many ways of avoiding accountability for what you say. snip There are those who see forests and those who see trees. Share seems to be a generalist, a caretaker of forests. You are far more specific, taking care of individual trees. I do not think you two will ever connect. There is something to say for each of these views, but such a divergence between them will never line up as an argument. Your thinking styles are simply not compatible. She cannot understand you, and you cannot understand her, though I suspect you feel you have Share pegged, and she feels she has you pegged. This is an opinion, not a fact. If it were a fact, it would be hopeless to continue, unless bickering is the gold standard for social congress. That's a compassionate way of seeing things, but I see them a little differently. For one thing, I think that Share and Judy (and the rest of the pile-on persecutors of her) are remarkably ALIKE, in that they all 1) have large egos that constantly require stroking, 2) have a near-constant need to attract attention, and 3) have a near-desperate compulsion to get in the last word or win arguments that don't matter to anyone else in the world *but* their large egos. The fact that Share CARES what any of these bitches think of her makes her a perfect victim for their assaults, and from her side SHE keeps restarting the arguments and thus *making* herself the victim every time it dies down, because that gets her attention. I think it's all a little tacky, and too much like a bitchy high school girl clique ( and I include both Robin and Ravi as girls :-) to watch any of it. It's all too predictable at this point, and too Drama Queens On Parade to bother with. Share could stop it at any point by just *letting* the cliquebitches have the last word and moving on to more sane topics. Then when they tried to restart it again, just ignore them again. But she doesn't, because IMO 1) she's hungry to be the focus of attention and have everything be all about her, and 2) SHE'S JUST LIKE THE WOMEN PILING ONTO HER. All I can say is that by now my Next finger is almost worn out from zipping past anything that ANY of them say, and I suspect other people's are, too. I just wish the whole lot of them would grow up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
As for caring what someone thinks of me, there are many posters on FFL whose opinion, including of me, I care about. This is also why I reply, especially to Judy's accusations. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 3:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present. No, no, Share, generalizations are not acceptable. They're one of your many ways of avoiding accountability for what you say. snip There are those who see forests and those who see trees. Share seems to be a generalist, a caretaker of forests. You are far more specific, taking care of individual trees. I do not think you two will ever connect. There is something to say for each of these views, but such a divergence between them will never line up as an argument. Your thinking styles are simply not compatible. She cannot understand you, and you cannot understand her, though I suspect you feel you have Share pegged, and she feels she has you pegged. This is an opinion, not a fact. If it were a fact, it would be hopeless to continue, unless bickering is the gold standard for social congress. That's a compassionate way of seeing things, but I see them a little differently. For one thing, I think that Share and Judy (and the rest of the pile-on persecutors of her) are remarkably ALIKE, in that they all 1) have large egos that constantly require stroking, 2) have a near-constant need to attract attention, and 3) have a near-desperate compulsion to get in the last word or win arguments that don't matter to anyone else in the world *but* their large egos. The fact that Share CARES what any of these bitches think of her makes her a perfect victim for their assaults, and from her side SHE keeps restarting the arguments and thus *making* herself the victim every time it dies down, because that gets her attention. I think it's all a little tacky, and too much like a bitchy high school girl clique ( and I include both Robin and Ravi as girls :-) to watch any of it. It's all too predictable at this point, and too Drama Queens On Parade to bother with. Share could stop it at any point by just *letting* the cliquebitches have the last word and moving on to more sane topics. Then when they tried to restart it again, just ignore them again. But she doesn't, because IMO 1) she's hungry to be the focus of attention and have everything be all about her, and 2) SHE'S JUST LIKE THE WOMEN PILING ONTO HER. All I can say is that by now my Next finger is almost worn out from zipping past anything that ANY of them say, and I suspect other people's are, too. I just wish the whole lot of them would grow up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
This is interesting Xeno. I'd absolutely place you more firmly in the first column if I had a choice, not the second. I think I'm so well-rounded that I can move between both columns depending on the situation :). Share stated clearly when she got here that she had a love of words and logic. I've always remembered this, because her posts have shown that the opposite is true, here, at least - and yes, in the second column, minus number 12. Don't want to post out too early this week, so am off to attend to the house today. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Xeno, sorry, but you are SO far from understanding what the issues are with Share. Facile observations about general vs. specific thinking styles don't begin to cut it. Just for starters, there are (at last count) seven different people on FFL who have the same criticisms of her. For starters, your starting argument is 'argumentum ad numerum', a logical fallacy that makes the assumption that because a number of people believe a certain proposition to be true, it must be true. Now your proposition may be true, but not because of your argument here. Thinking styles of those here on FFL may be more a factor than you are currently surmising. Here is a sample from a current theory. I find it interesting because, since I started meditation, I think my style has shifted from the more analytic style to the more experiential style. While people do not fall directly into just one column or the other here, this is instructive in thinking how we process information can affect our interactions with others. I would tend to put you 'generally' in the first column, and Share, and myself in the second column. It is something to think about when experiencing differences of opinion with others. CHARACTERISTICS OF EXPERIENTIAL AND RATIONAL THINKING STYLES IN COGNITIVE-EXPERIENTIAL SELF-THEORY (CEST) (ADAPTED FROM SEYMOUR EPSTEIN 2003) (This is a two-pronged process model of perception. 'Human irrationality has consistently been a major area of focus in cognitive research. CEST argues that by gaining and understanding of our rational and experiential systems, and how they interact, we can gain insight into how these primarily adaptive systems, can in some cases lead to maladaptive behaviour.') Rational Thinking Style Experiential Thinking Style 1Analytic Holistic 2Intentional, effortful Automatic, effortless 3Logical: reason oriented (what is rational or sensible) Emotional/affective: pleasure-pain oriented (what feels good) 4Logical, cause and effect, connections Associative connections 5Behavior mediated by conscious appraisal of events Behavior mediated by vibes from past events 6Encodes reality in abstract symbols, words, and numbers Encodes reality in concrete images, metaphors, and narratives 7Slower processing; oriented toward delayed action More rapid processing; oriented toward immediate action 8Changes more rapidly and easily; changes with strength of argument and new evidence Slower and more resistant to change: change with repetitive or intense experience 9More highly differentiated; dimensional thinking Less differentiated; broad generalization gradient; context-specific processing; categorical and stereotypical thinking 10More highly integrated; context-general principles Less integrated; disociative, organized in part by emotional complexes; context-specific processing 11Experienced actively and consciously; we are in control of our thoughts Experienced passively and preconsciously; we are seized by our emotions 12Requires justification via logic and evidence Self-evidently valid; experiencing is believing 13 More process oriented More outcome oriented
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.comwrote: Dear Sharester, I'm having trouble letting go. But, I promise I will after this post. *Really.* I will demonstrate the letting go action to you - it's good practice for me. Before I go for now, I will say that I hope you print out and show the last two posts re: wts that you wrote and I responded to, that you never got back to me on, to your pastoral counselor. If she tells you that yes, you are right, you have maintained your integrity through the whole conversation and these people challenging you are just bullies and mean and unfairly abusive, you will know for sure that you are paying her for nothing. First of all, you didn't even give me the time of day to respond, and I put a lot of energy and effort into those posts to you - recognizing you as a human being. Second, you might think about, in the privacy of your own prayer routine, thanking Ann, raunchy, Judy, Ravi, Robin, Ravi and I for processing all of your negative emotions over the last 6 months for you. For my part, I did this out of love and concern for you Share (yes, that irritating universal love of you as another human being.) This tactic of yours - launching passive attacks and then running away and asking those you launched spears at to do your dirty work is a good one, isn't it? Then, you feel better and can skip off to the Dome, presenting nothing to those you meet on the yellow brick road, but generosity, openness, and love. I bet you act as a source of knowledge to others', don't you. I bet you include a lot of information to them on food and supplements they should be taking. You outed yourself by mistake when you said you had had food issues all your life. Are you aware of what that means and how having issues with this most basic function in life (eating) can through time fully affect the construct of your thought process, and forever-more create a need to subconsciously protect yourself so you never have to deal with it and the self-preservation issues that come with it? I am sorry you've had to deal with this. It's a survival issue, I know. I don't have it, but in the past, I have been intimately involved with someone who has. Comes with endless denial, I'm aware. The years of dedication to healing; the living in a healing community; the collection of people and healers and philosophies support the construct of denial you have built. You never have to get truly real Share or speak for yourself - you have learned the healing language and just have to invoke experts on your behalf over and over again. You can hide forever and act like an innocent victim, whenever anyone asks to be validated for their own individual thought process that disagrees with yours - because you are right, because you have done nothing to apologize or make amends for, because there is something wrong with them and they need to experience complete healing. I am sorry that you have had to go the this kind of extreme in your life to self-preserve. It is a testament of our instinct, as humans, to survive. I am sorry that, in all cases, you twist reality to fit your own worldview and summarily dismiss and attack anyone and everything that won't conform to your way of thinking. Too threatening isn't it. You are missing out on so much Share, but it's beyond me at this point to try and convince you of this. I do believe you are fully entrenched in your vision of yourself and your own rock solid storyline - and you have built an enormous safety net of people who see only what you show them - the bliss bubble of the positive characteristics you want to be known for. It's sad to watch. You placing me in a cult, because you were too afraid to be honest and real, is predictable; as was your refusal to address it. Easier to just forever claim you were right and relentlessly impose your reality on FFL with no interest in supporting or discussing it. Another example is continuing to invoke the term wishing complete healing on people and FFL at large without ever clearly examining what that means - how dare anyone challenge you on this meaningless term. Right? Also, on ousting Judy, Ann, and raunchy from your readers' list and I'm guessing me, after this post, if you have the guts to read it. So many other examples Share of your refusing to actually interact with anyone who has tried, unless you are sure you can control the outcome. But, you keep reading Barry, although he was a bit hard on you today, don't you think? Just return to the innocent little girl stance and use a poo extension for himhe
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. Ravi, I'm very ashamed, but not for the reasons you might suspect, and yes, I did indeed learn something from here (more was revealed than you might realize). And I'm hopeful that one day you might do the same. Oh wonderful laughinggull but please fucking spare the vague generalizations you have directed against me, probably stemming from your almost pathological need for fair-play I suppose. I have exhaustively, extravagantly explored every nook and cranny of my shadow and never have tried to project, fantasize on anything, anyone to make myself look better. My struggles and journey are all pretty much public. Emily, I know you've had a very busy day, but any response to my last question at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327975. Thanks! On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@...wrote: snip
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There's a great primal joy, masculine instincts involved in coming to the aid of a damsel in distress - much harder to do the right thing. Nothing surprising in your reaction. Share loves it too apparently based on her reaction when I said I could take care of oxcart for her - she couldn't detect the irony in my comments. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:36 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Actually, it's just a variation of the I'm very mature; you are so fucked up, argument that masquerades as compassion. It points the finger of blame at the ingrate, who is then supposed to feel grateful for the compassion shown to her. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@...wrote: Dear Sharester, I'm having trouble letting go. But, I promise I will after this post. *Really.* I will demonstrate the letting go action to you - it's good practice for me. Before I go for now, I will say that I hope you print out and show the last two posts re: wts that you wrote and I responded to, that you never got back to me on, to your pastoral counselor. If she tells you that yes, you are right, you have maintained your integrity through the whole conversation and these people challenging you are just bullies and mean and unfairly abusive, you will know for sure that you are paying her for nothing. First of all, you didn't even give me the time of day to respond, and I put a lot of energy and effort into those posts to you - recognizing you as a human being. Second, you might think about, in the privacy of your own prayer routine, thanking Ann, raunchy, Judy, Ravi, Robin, Ravi and I for processing all of your negative emotions over the last 6 months for you. For my part, I did this out of love and concern for you Share (yes, that irritating universal love of you as another human being.) This tactic of yours - launching passive attacks and then running away and asking those you launched spears at to do your dirty work is a good one, isn't it? Then, you feel better and can skip off to the Dome, presenting nothing to those you meet on the yellow brick road, but generosity, openness, and love. I bet you act as a source of knowledge to others', don't you. I bet you include a lot of information to them on food and supplements they should be taking. You outed yourself by mistake when you said you had had food issues all your life. Are you aware of what that means and how having issues with this most basic function in life (eating) can through time fully affect the construct of your thought process, and forever-more create a need to subconsciously protect yourself so you never have to deal with it and the self-preservation issues that come with it? I am sorry you've had to deal with this. It's a survival issue, I know. I don't have it, but in the past, I have been intimately involved with someone who has. Comes with endless denial, I'm aware. The years of dedication to healing; the living in a healing community; the collection of people and healers and philosophies support the construct of denial you have built. You never have to get truly real Share or speak for yourself - you have learned the healing language and just have to invoke experts on your behalf over and over again. You can hide forever and act like an innocent victim, whenever anyone asks to be validated for their own individual thought process that disagrees with yours - because you are right, because you have done nothing to apologize or make amends for, because there is something wrong with them and they need to experience complete healing. I am sorry that you have had to go the this kind of extreme in your life to self-preserve. It is a testament of our instinct, as humans, to survive. I am sorry that, in all cases, you twist reality to fit your own worldview and summarily dismiss and attack anyone and everything that won't conform to your way of thinking. Too threatening isn't it. You are missing out on so much Share, but it's beyond me at this point to try and convince you of this. I do believe you are fully entrenched in your vision of yourself and your own rock solid storyline - and you have built an enormous safety net of people who see only what you show them - the bliss bubble of the positive characteristics you want to be known for. It's sad to watch. You placing me in a cult, because you were too
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
Empty baby - Idiots like you lust for the raving ravishing riveting Ravi Yogi - so what? On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 3:02 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: ** You just publicly masturbate to your fantasies. So what. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM, laughinggull108 no_reply@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. Ravi, I'm very ashamed, but not for the reasons you might suspect, and yes, I did indeed learn something from here (more was revealed than you might realize). And I'm hopeful that one day you might do the same. Oh wonderful laughinggull but please fucking spare the vague generalizations you have directed against me, probably stemming from your almost pathological need for fair-play I suppose. I have exhaustively, extravagantly explored every nook and cranny of my shadow and never have tried to project, fantasize on anything, anyone to make myself look better. My struggles and journey are all pretty much public. Emily, I know you've had a very busy day, but any response to my last question at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327975. Thanks! On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@wrote: snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
Wrong Feste - I have never claimed maturity as my strong point. If I had it together, I'd be making a bunch of money right now and saving quantities for retirement, I assure you. Not putting myself at future financial risk, praying for my brain and being to get it togetherI bet Share isn't doing that. She is smarter than me in terms of knowing how to take care of her material needs. I am not blaming - I am offering up my conclusions and observations and understanding after 6 months of watching her posts cross the forum and attempting to have many conversations with her. I don't care how she feels about what I wrote - I never said she was supposed to feel grateful (She has no basis on which to understand such a statement from me, of all people. I have no credibility with her at all, in fact, she has established that opinion many many times) I do have compassion for her, not pity, compassion - to the extent that I have an understanding of what that means - she can take that or leave it. My guess is...she'll take what you said and adopt it into her construct that I am after her and never hear what I am trying to say. It's too scary. Better to stay in denial, don't you think? From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS Actually, it's just a variation of the I'm very mature; you are so fucked up, argument that masquerades as compassion. It points the finger of blame at the ingrate, who is then supposed to feel grateful for the compassion shown to her. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@...wrote: Dear Sharester, I'm having trouble letting go. But, I promise I will after this post. *Really.* I will demonstrate the letting go action to you - it's good practice for me. Before I go for now, I will say that I hope you print out and show the last two posts re: wts that you wrote and I responded to, that you never got back to me on, to your pastoral counselor. If she tells you that yes, you are right, you have maintained your integrity through the whole conversation and these people challenging you are just bullies and mean and unfairly abusive, you will know for sure that you are paying her for nothing. First of all, you didn't even give me the time of day to respond, and I put a lot of energy and effort into those posts to you - recognizing you as a human being. Second, you might think about, in the privacy of your own prayer routine, thanking Ann, raunchy, Judy, Ravi, Robin, Ravi and I for processing all of your negative emotions over the last 6 months for you. For my part, I did this out of love and concern for you Share (yes, that irritating universal love of you as another human being.) This tactic of yours - launching passive attacks and then running away and asking those you launched spears at to do your dirty work is a good one, isn't it? Then, you feel better and can skip off to the Dome, presenting nothing to those you meet on the yellow brick road, but generosity, openness, and love. I bet you act as a source of knowledge to others', don't you. I bet you include a lot of information to them on food and supplements they should be taking. You outed yourself by mistake when you said you had had food issues all your life. Are you aware of what that means and how having issues with this most basic function in life (eating) can through time fully affect the construct of your thought process, and forever-more create a need to subconsciously protect yourself so you never have to deal with it and the self-preservation issues that come with it? I am sorry you've had to deal with this. It's a survival issue, I know. I don't have it, but in the past, I have been intimately involved with someone who has. Comes with endless denial, I'm aware. The years of dedication to healing; the living in a healing community; the collection of people and healers and philosophies support the construct of denial you have built. You never have to get truly real Share or speak for yourself - you have learned the healing language and just have to invoke experts on your behalf over and over again. You can hide forever and act like an innocent victim, whenever anyone asks to be validated for their own individual thought process that disagrees with yours - because you are right, because you have done nothing to apologize or make amends for, because
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snip I hear what you're saying Emily and you are correct. You know how, after you post something, you feel it's not quite right but can't quite put your finger on it? A poor attempt at humor on my part. Perhaps the same could apply to the use of the word retarded? Laughingfreely - I totally know what you are saying - I feel that way about every post I post. Now what is your question? Is this the part of the post referenced below you are referring to? Are you asking me about the word retarded? Huh? Are you calling me retarded? That's Ravi's word, not mine - he has a certain context for its use and I hadn't heard it in a long time before he used it here. I've never used it in my life. But, I have an autistic cousin, who was referred to as retarded his whole life. I didn't know he was autistic until he was an adult. He has a way better sense of direction than I do, that much I can tell you. I have a retarded sense of direction, or as I like to say I'm directionally challenged. That's all I know about the word - it's a misnomer in mostly all cases of typical historical use. You are out-thinking me FullyLaughing. I'm not as enlightened as you. Look what a sober moniker I have compared to yours, for example. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. Ravi, I'm very ashamed, but not for the reasons you might suspect, and yes, I did indeed learn something from here (more was revealed than you might realize). And I'm hopeful that one day you might do the same. Emily, I know you've had a very busy day, but any response to my last question at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327975. Thanks! On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@...wrote: snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS
Agreed. I was on the line, or perhaps well over it, of acting like an armchair psychologist - she made it too easy for me. Ha - see the jibe at the end there. Make me stop; please God, make me stop. I'm about to be accused of stalking and will have to throw myself into an isolation tank. Guess I'll go read what Robin has to say about existential sincerity. Forgive, me and after all, it's the holiday season. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 5:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS I'm sorry I wrote so harshly about what you had written. I think you were sincerely expressing your feelings. But I do think it's risky to draw a lot of conclusions about what a person is really like based only on their posts to this forum. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Wrong Feste - I have never claimed maturity as my strong point. Â If I had it together, I'd be making a bunch of money right now and saving quantities for retirement, I assure you. Â Not putting myself at future financial risk, praying for my brain and being to get it togetherI bet Share isn't doing that. Â She is smarter than me in terms of knowing how to take care of her material needs. Â I am not blaming - I am offering up my conclusions and observations and understanding after 6 months of watching her posts cross the forum and attempting to have many conversations with her. Â I don't care how she feels about what I wrote - I never said she was supposed to feel grateful (She has no basis on which to understand such a statement from me, of all people. Â I have no credibility with her at all, in fact, she has established that opinion many many times) Â I do have compassion for her, not pity, compassion - to the extent that I have an understanding of what that means - she can take that or leave it. Â Â My guess is...she'll take what you said and adopt it into her construct that I am after her and never hear what I am trying to say. Â It's too scary. Â Better to stay in denial, don't you think? Â From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS Â Actually, it's just a variation of the I'm very mature; you are so fucked up, argument that masquerades as compassion. It points the finger of blame at the ingrate, who is then supposed to feel grateful for the compassion shown to her. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@wrote: Dear Sharester, I'm having trouble letting go. But, I promise I will after this post. *Really.* I will demonstrate the letting go action to you - it's good practice for me. Before I go for now, I will say that I hope you print out and show the last two posts re: wts that you wrote and I responded to, that you never got back to me on, to your pastoral counselor. If she tells you that yes, you are right, you have maintained your integrity through the whole conversation and these people challenging you are just bullies and mean and unfairly abusive, you will know for sure that you are paying her for nothing. First of all, you didn't even give me the time of day to respond, and I put a lot of energy and effort into those posts to you - recognizing you as a human being. Second, you might think about, in the privacy of your own prayer routine, thanking Ann, raunchy, Judy, Ravi, Robin, Ravi and I for processing all of your negative emotions over the last 6 months for you. For my part, I did this out of love and concern for you Share (yes, that irritating universal love of you as another human being.) This tactic of yours - launching passive attacks and then running away and asking those you launched spears at to do your dirty work is a good one, isn't it? Then, you feel better and can skip off to the Dome, presenting nothing to those you meet on the yellow brick road, but generosity, openness, and love. I bet you act as a source of knowledge to others', don't you. I bet you include a lot of information to them on food and supplements they should be taking. You outed yourself by mistake when you said you had had food issues all your life. Are you aware of what that means and how having issues with this most basic function in life (eating) can through time
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Thank you Ann. You are so on the mark as always; it's painful to read. I crossed the line with Share here though, and Share, you have my sincerest apology. You may take as many pot shots or real shots at me as necessary to restore balance and I will try hard to do my penance and stay in humility. Ann is right, I am a tough girl and I can take it (although I will cry.) When I say to you Remember, you are not a victim, I'm talking to myself Share. After all.(are we tired of this yet?) Robin is feeling the shame I'm in; damn him. He's going to be harder than I thought to take down. Forgive me...Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for thou art with me, thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 8:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Barry PS --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: Actually, it's just a variation of the I'm very mature; you are so fucked up, argument that masquerades as compassion. It points the finger of blame at the ingrate, who is then supposed to feel grateful for the compassion shown to her. No, I don't thing so Feste. Granted, Emily's post was hard hitting but she is not trying pass it off as some compassionate love letter. Emily is frustrated with Share. Emily has spent a lot of time and energy on Share. Emily is interested in real communication and understanding between Share and herself. Emily does not appear to be some sadistic bully attempting to browbeat someone for the sake of watching someone squirm. Emily appears to have a deep experience of life, including the hard parts, so she is no fool. Emily is a woman. Emily appears willing to have her mind changed if Share would be willing, in turn, to offer up something that resembles real truthfulness or at least earnest searching. Only Emily can decide when she has had enough of getting nothing but subterfuge in return and it appears that might just be the case now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: I just have one word for this dear Emily...W..O..W To add more - how compassionate, how loving, how mature, how intelligent, a brilliant analysis of Share and many others like her in similar situations. Shame on the likes of Steve, Xeno, laughinggull, feste, Buck - hope they can learn something from here. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@wrote: Dear Sharester, I'm having trouble letting go. But, I promise I will after this post. *Really.* I will demonstrate the letting go action to you - it's good practice for me. Before I go for now, I will say that I hope you print out and show the last two posts re: wts that you wrote and I responded to, that you never got back to me on, to your pastoral counselor. If she tells you that yes, you are right, you have maintained your integrity through the whole conversation and these people challenging you are just bullies and mean and unfairly abusive, you will know for sure that you are paying her for nothing. First of all, you didn't even give me the time of day to respond, and I put a lot of energy and effort into those posts to you - recognizing you as a human being. Second, you might think about, in the privacy of your own prayer routine, thanking Ann, raunchy, Judy, Ravi, Robin, Ravi and I for processing all of your negative emotions over the last 6 months for you. For my part, I did this out of love and concern for you Share (yes, that irritating universal love of you as another human being.) This tactic of yours - launching passive attacks and then running away and asking those you launched spears at to do your dirty work is a good one, isn't it? Then, you feel better and can skip off to the Dome, presenting nothing to those you meet on the yellow brick road, but generosity, openness, and love. I bet you act as a source of knowledge to others', don't you. I bet you include a lot of information to them on food and supplements they should be taking. You outed yourself by mistake when you said you had had food issues all your life. Are you aware of what that means and how having issues with this most basic function in life (eating) can through time fully affect the construct of your thought process, and forever-more create a need to subconsciously protect yourself so you never have to deal with it and the self-preservation issues that come with it? I am sorry you've had to deal with this. It's a survival issue, I know. I don't have it, but in the past, I have been intimately involved with someone who has. Comes with endless denial, I'm aware. The years of dedication to healing; the living
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.Steve, you have put me into a state of serious laughter with this one. Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 8:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: snip Thank you, Steve. I am going to reread this on my death bed. I hope it's not anytime soon! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: This also strikes me as quite odd. To feel that I would need to indicate, by name, those people who are apparantly in agreement with a position I might have. As Xeno, said, as though this makes the case for my position? All it indicates, is that someone is so invested in a position, that they must try to indicate public support for that position. It ignores the fact that there is probably an equal or greater number of people who feel differently, but just aren't obsessed with trying to assert the rightness of their opinon. But, in this case, Judy feels that it bolsters her position and thereby allows her to claim yet another internet forum victory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And how about Ann, raunchy, Emily, Alex, and Ravi? That's seven people who are apparently too different from you for you and them to understand each other--about half of the regulars who have had exchanges with you or have defended you. And that half haven't had any arguments with you to begin with, so there's no way to tell whether they would be able to understand you if they did. snip Note again that it isn't just Share and me whose views diverge and whose thinking styles are simply not compatible. It's Share versus Robin and Ann and raunchy and Emily and Alex and Ravi and me. Fatuous nonsense, Xeno.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
Dear laughingfully, my sense of humor can be difficult to understand sometimes. So can others' - isn't that just so much fun? I have enjoyed your recent posts also, just so you know. Re this from another of your posts: To all: If you sincerely *want* me (or us) to understand what goes on between all of you, why can't you write (and I've asked this of Robin at least once) in a more succinct style that would appeal to a wider audience? I must admit that most of the time I feel that I'm not privy to one big joke that you're playing amongst yourselves, and if this isn't the case then I'd like to be shown otherwise. Robin's style is far more succinct than when he first arrived. I have determined he is a poet. Sometimes I read what he writes out loud and it's simply sublime. Sometimes I read it from the bottom up, as Ann states she did in their recent exchange. Sometimes I just key in on certain phrases or word groupings, like one would experience the validation of their own essential integrity and worthiness as a human being. Isn't that just the bomb? I understand much more of what Robin writes than I used to; it's good practice to try and understand what people are saying. Emptybill has been a real hoot of late. Conversely, I can't understand hardly a whit of what Share says - and you see how my attempts to understand what she is saying have failed completely and she simply won't speak to me in a manner that I can decipher. I must not be healed completely - now what does she think that means again? Norman Rockwell childhood - huh? Who had that? What is that? It is not up to us to change our style, it is up to you to take what you like and leave the rest. Ha ha. If you are ever confused and have a question about anything I write that you happen to read, please feel free to ask and I will explain it to you in layman's terms the best I can. Compassionately, Emilina. P.S. I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts. From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 5:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Judy sent me a private communique - to thank me for supporting her in full wts style (she has, of course, badly misinterpreted me as I am fully engaged in refuting this phenomenon and I will be the first to call her on this egregious misinterpretation on her part) - and to ask me to let ya'll know that her Comcast is on the fritz and she will be quiet until it is restored. Share, reality has answered your prayers. Emily, if this is being ironic, then masterfully done. If not, then I think you grossly overestimate the effect that Judy has on Share. BTW, welcome back, I'm learning to enjoy what you offer and am beginning to think that I would miss you if you went away. Laughingfully...I like it. Judy, the non-existent wts crowd wishes your internet a speedy recovery.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
Thank you dear Ann - considering Steve has a not-so-secret crush on me, this should please him to no end. There are four kinds of people - people I love whom I bend over backwards to be nice to them and please them, people I love who I bend over backwards to curse, yell, mock them, people I don't know and people I don't care much about. I don't mind shifting people around these categories. Why can't Steve just say - look Ravi,I love you and you are hurting me by calling stupid and I would just apologize and be nice to him and move him to category 1. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM, awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: As to Ravi, he is an enigma to me. I know that many have a far longer history with him at FFL than I do. He can be abrasive, shocking, strong. But he is not malevolent, he does not alarm me like that other dark troll who I was, frankly, horrified by. Can't even remember his name. No, Raviis a passionate, sensitive albeit an opinionated man. But I don't get any 'bad vibes' or maliciousness from him. He plays, he dances, he is Ravi. I don't know his full history but he seems to live life by diving in. He appears to have had more than his dollop of pain and suffering but here he is - boisterous, caustic sometimes but bursting with life. I like that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: P.S. I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts. I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: P.S. I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts. I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. Yes, she is. What's strange is that the characters don't show up in her actual posts, either on the website or in my Gmail feed that I read in Thunderbird. But, the characters do show up on the website in message view, as well as in the quoted text when making a reply via the website. If I click reply to the same post of hers in Thunderbird, the characters don't show up in Thunderbird's editor. I'm pretty competent with computers, but I'm nowhere near the kind of neckbeard who would know what this is all about. Right - but look at this - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327831, this one has those special characters and I'm not going to try my Notepad technique so I reproduce the special characters with generous use of backspace in this post. The technique I described works for me - to eliminate the special characters on the Web.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: P.S. I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts. I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. Yes, she is. What's strange is that the characters don't show up in her actual posts, either on the website or in my Gmail feed that I read in Thunderbird. But, the characters do show up on the website in message view, as well as in the quoted text when making a reply via the website. If I click reply to the same post of hers in Thunderbird, the characters don't show up in Thunderbird's editor. I'm pretty competent with computers, but I'm nowhere near the kind of neckbeard who would know what this is all about. Right - but look at this - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327831, this one has those special characters and I'm not going to try my Notepad technique so I reproduce the special characters with generous use of backspace in this post. The technique I described works for me - to eliminate the special characters on the Web. Hmm..no special characters in this one , either way these are non-ASCII characters which should be eliminated if you type a post in pure text based editor such as Notepad.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
Thanks Ravi. I have a Macbook Pro. This email is sent after pasting it into the text editor. I'm starting to transition to the Yahoo groups interface. It's definitely the way to go to get timely posts, in order these days, but I prefer composing in email. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: P.S. I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts. I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
This is a test email typed first in the texteditor and pasted into Yahoo email. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy Thanks Ravi. I have a Macbook Pro. This email is sent after pasting it into the text editor. I'm starting to transition to the Yahoo groups interface. It's definitely the way to go to get timely posts, in order these days, but I prefer composing in email. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: P.S. I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts. I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
Emily - Right - looks to be a Yahoo mail issue at this point - can you try the Plain text instead of the Rich text message in your Yahoo mail - that may help. On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:50 PM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.comwrote: ** H. Even worse. I'm definitely doing something wrong. This is a direct reply from the interface. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Thanks Ravi.   I have a Macbook Pro.  This email is sent after pasting it into the text editor.   I'm starting to transition to the Yahoo groups interface.  It's definitely the way to go to get timely posts, in order these days, but I prefer composing in email. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy  On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: P.S.  I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts.  I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
Yes, I've been playing with that. Here we go. This email is sent in rich text in Serif 1 12 pt font. Thank god for classical music; it soothes the mind. I should listen to more of it. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy Emily - Right - looks to be a Yahoo mail issue at this point - can you try the Plain text instead of the Rich text message in your Yahoo mail - that may help. On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:50 PM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: H. Even worse. I'm definitely doing something wrong. This is a direct reply from the interface. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Thanks Ravi.   I have a Macbook Pro.  This email is sent after pasting it into the text editor.   I'm starting to transition to the Yahoo groups interface.  It's definitely the way to go to get timely posts, in order these days, but I prefer composing in email. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy  On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: P.S.  I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts.  I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
This test email is sent in plain text. Edg, I think any time spent on the slopes is time well spent, even on a tricycle. Arms-free is also a good time; you might demo some skis or a snowboard (not my thing, but)...it's all about the balance, which I'm guessing you have. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy Yes, I've been playing with that. Here we go. This email is sent in rich text in Serif 1 12 pt font. Thank god for classical music; it soothes the mind. I should listen to more of it. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy Emily - Right - looks to be a Yahoo mail issue at this point - can you try the Plain text instead of the Rich text message in your Yahoo mail - that may help. On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:50 PM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com wrote: H. Even worse. I'm definitely doing something wrong. This is a direct reply from the interface. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Thanks Ravi.   I have a Macbook Pro.  This email is sent after pasting it into the text editor.   I'm starting to transition to the Yahoo groups interface.  It's definitely the way to go to get timely posts, in order these days, but I prefer composing in email. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy  On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: P.S.  I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts.  I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
No worries dear - the way you tried and your posts were sweet and fun as usual :-) On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 8:38 PM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.comwrote: ** How irritating. This is the final post for tonight wasted on figuring this out, from the interface. Thank you Ravi for taking a few moments on this with me. Will pick this up again later. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: This test email is sent in plain text.  Edg, I think any time spent on the slopes is time well spent, even on a tricycle.  Arms-free is also a good time; you might demo some skis or a snowboard (not my thing, but)...it's all about the balance, which I'm guessing you have.  From: Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy  Yes, I've been playing with that.  Here we go.  This email is sent in rich text in Serif 1 12 pt font.  Thank god for classical music; it soothes the mind.  I should listen to more of it.  From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy  Emily - Right - looks to be a Yahoo mail issue at this point - can you try the Plain text instead of the Rich text message in your Yahoo mail - that may help. On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:50 PM, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:  H. Even worse. I'm definitely doing something wrong. This is a direct reply from the interface. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Thanks Ravi.   I have a Macbook Pro.  This email is sent after pasting it into the text editor.   I'm starting to transition to the Yahoo groups interface.  It's definitely the way to go to get timely posts, in order these days, but I prefer composing in email. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy  On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: P.S.  I am working to try and get rid of those very irritating A's that show up in my posts.  I have had issues with this as well - it only happens when I use the Gmail web client, I'm sure the same applies for you - you must be using Yahoo's web mail interface. I hate to see those characters in my post and I don't like posting from Yahoo groups web interface. In my case it seems to be the backspace characters - so what I do is type my post in Gmail, after I am done - cut and paste it to Notepad and then cut and paste back from Notepad into Gmail. It's a little too much work, but I'm picky and that seems to have taken care of all those stupid special characters since Notepad is purely an ascii, text based editor. Once again the special characters don't come up if you post directly on Yahoo groups interface or even on my iPhone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
Here's Judy at her wts best. Doing the psychological rape thing of attributing to me thoughts and feelings I've not had. Then presenting her ideas as The Truth. Then lacking in compassion. Concerning making amends: though I continue to do the forgiveness prayers every day, til now I've dropped mentioning it since wts also loves to diss on that so much. BTW FFLers I have done my best to spare you all from all the piling on. But some accusations had to be answered IMO. Concerning my alleged lashing out: of course it's possible that I've been triggered to the point of wanting to hurt someone's feelings! Duh! After all I'm not a saint. Though wts likes to accuse me of either being such or thinking I'm such. But you know, also accusing me of actually not being such. Isn't it fun how wts attempts to cover all the bases in this regard? Anyway, I know I've done my best to state what I believe in a reasonable non hurtful way. About the latter can you say the same Judy? Probably wts will make fun of me for what I'm about to say. But hey everybody has to have a hobby: For any of my serious accusations, I've agonized over the possibility of hurting Robin's feelings. My wise others here know this. An example is the so called stalking issue. I never intended to divulge the information I did. But Raunchy was giving her so called opinion about my alleged crush on Robin and stalking behavior. I said what I said not to hurt Robin but to shed light on her speculations. And the only reason I brought up my crush on merudanda was to indicate to FFL how off Raunchy's speculations are in this matter. Anyway, can't resist ending by saying that maybe Judy said EEEK because she saw PRADi pompous reality avoiding doormouse inc (-: From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Share has demonstrated very effectively that the last two sentences are bullshit. Either that, or her best is appallingly inadequate. When she's under any kind of pressure, and sometimes even when she's just feeling punk, she lashes out repeatedly with the intent to hurt people. She has *no* inhibitions whatsoever about attempting to hurt people, nor has she the slightest interest in making genuine amends. And she writes far nastier snark than Stupid Sal ever did. This, by the grace of God, was Judy's last post of the week. Oops, I guess she's got one more. I wonder what she can do to top this one? This evening's post count put her at 45, and the post you're commenting on here was her third after the post count. 45 + 3 = 48. Her post beginning with K! was number 49. I guess we can add basic arithmetic to your list of not so strong points.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Ravi
Ravi, in spite of your most recent posts, I'm still glad you're back. And I'm definitely glad that you're sounding like your old self. You escaped the BORG, Buttery Orbital Robin Group. They need to switch to ghee if you ask me (-: Anyway I'm also grateful for the reasonable unbiased compassionate people here on FFL. Whether they say good things about me or not. They help me stay more centered when I'm triggered or overwhelmed. PS concerning my allegedly being more snarky than Sal: my GUESS is that Sal did not challenge Robin. And or she didn't get quite as close to Judy's hot buttons as I have. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:34 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: Beautifully written, Share. A masterful, mature response. Yes indeed beautifully written, compelling but alas so alienated from reality dear Share - you seem a nice person, yet very delusional, vindictive so anyone who offends you better watch out. Rather than look at who you are facing, look behind at the people supporting you - a motley, disparate bunch - Steve, Buck, feste, Barry yet totally united in their sheer retardedness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present.� But what is the real problem is your asserting that your opinions, misinterpretations, POVs are the accurate ones, the truthful ones. Now about my alleged dishonesty:� I have never experienced a situation such as I have had with Robin.� laughinggull wrote insightfully about changing his opinions.� But for me about Robin, it has been more even than that.� Since Sept 6 I've been trying to make sense of all that has happened.� It has been a challenging process to understand what is going on within me and with him.� Your constant and vitriolic butting in has merely made this process more challenging.� At least for me. But you have little or no compassion for this.� You don't even have the common sense understanding that not everyone has the time to check archives.� Instead you call people like me and Steve lazy.� You don't recognize that people have imperfect memories.� Add to this your lack of compassion and what emerges is your calling me a liar again and again.� And do you really think that all the badgering and name calling really makes the situation better?� Oh, right, I forgot, you don't really care about that, do you?� Maybe you're just happy to have someone other than Barry to attack. OTOH, it's damned if I do, damned if I don't.� Meaning there's your opposite accusation that I think I'm all love and light or try to appear that I am.� Maybe I seem that way to you because I don't get hateful and vitriolic like you do.� It's called projecting a golden shadow, BTW. About my alleged avoiding of confrontation:� I have 7 posts per day and lots of interesting people on FFL to respond to.� People whose opinion I do care about.� I am not going to waste all my posts replying to you because what is the point?� You are convinced that you are right and that I'm a liar.� Plus from that first upset you have been biased towards Robin.� Fine, you've known each other longer.� You have some strange karma to work out with each other.� Whatever!� BTW, there's a big difference between being loyal and being biased.� The latter is not healthy.� And if I'm really such a liar, so toxic, so lacking in honesty and integrity, why would you even want to have any communication with me at all?� In some ways this is the most baffling question of all. � Now everyone, let's watch the tedious and predictable piling on that happens.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2 to buck and turq, lg and b2
oh God, buck and turq, thank you for making me laugh. Yeah, even at myself. Here's the kind of shoe woman I am: I have a pair of Aersoles that I bought years ago. Even though they now have a hole in the right heel, they're perfect for keeping the Morton's neuroma on my left foot at bay. I've tried unsuccessfully for 2 years to find a replacement shoe that's as good for walking around town. Toto, we're not in the big city anymore. Meaning, the clothes shopping situation in FF is pathetic. Buck once you get FFL straightened out, can you work on the shopping for clothes situation? Shopping therapy dontcha know? (-: laughinggull, you make compassionate sense once again. No bad people on FFL. Bhairitu, right, I forgot about Costco and buying in quantity. Especially in an Iowa blizzard,, I really don't want to drive 60 miles and 60 minutes to buy a bazillion roles of tp. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Judy is very heavy on characterising her opposition's arguments and states of mind in a way that I interpret is to demean them, without supporting fact. 'masterfully dishonest response' #327631 'supremely, if inadvertently, ironic' #327646 'lashes out repeatedly' #327646 'intent to hurt people' #327646 'your appalling lack of honesty' #325575 'terrified of being irrelevant' #324343 'is so terrified of strong women' #306217 'Why is this so impossibly difficult for you to understand?' #63962 These are all characterisations attributing motives, with strong emotional flavours, to others. But these characterisations come out of Judy's mind, they are what is in *her* mind. Perhaps they give us a clue as to what goes on in her own mental world, something that none of us can experience directly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
Dear laughinggull, Your posts show you have started off on a wrong footing in this discussion with a priori conclusions viz..I'm simply the defender of fair play: one of you against the entire group of stupid people...I simply cannot allow anymore. You are unwilling to look at the entire facts here since that would go against your philosophy - being defender of fair play. Its just your fantasy that Judy, raunchy or I have not indulged in fair play, in fact each one of us have been exceedingly fair to Stupid Share and Stupid Steve. Steve of course is the tolerable - he doesn't come across as dishonest and vindictive like Share. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:31 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** RD, I'm not sure if you read *all* my comments interspersed throughout...read all the way to the bottom where I recognize what I've done and why I did it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327690 If not, you might want to do that, then revise your list of questions below. I'm not sure if I can answer them because I'm *can't* read Share's mind. And it's not that I'm a stalwart defender of Share; you and the others (see Judy's list) have had her under the spotlight for so long that I think it's only fair that the spotlight be turned on you and the others. And it appears that this might be beginning to happen, and not from my posts alone. As my grandfather used to say: It looks like the chickens are coming home to roost. Open up and have a willingness to learn. It's really not so bad. You see RD, one of you alone *might* be just enough for the stupid people *as a group* to handle; add to the mix Judy, Ann, Ravi, Robin, or any of the others and the stupid people are just plain overwhelmed and start making no sense whatsoever, and I just can't have that. I'm simply the defender of fair play: one of you against the entire group of stupid people...I simply cannot allow anymore. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: LG I'm really glad Share has such a stalwart defender as you. Since you're butting in on Share's behalf as if she were not an intelligent adult, capable of responding to my post herself, could you take a moment to read her mind as I have been unable to do and answer a few questions help understand her better? You can elaborate but yes or no will do. Based on Share's post below: Is wts Share's fantasy? Did Share accuse Judy of psychological rape? Did Share accuse Judy of attributing thoughts and feelings to her without explicitly saying how or what they were? Does Share's framing of her argument against Judy based on her assumptions about the fantasized existence of wts help her effectively rebut the posts Judy cites in the archives that demonstrate Share's misunderstanding of why Robin decided to cut off private email communication, her subsequent misunderstanding of the sequence of events that transpired, and then based on misunderstanding of her own making, accused him of psychological rape? If Share dropped her wts and psychological rape fantasy, and rebutted Judy based on what transpired between herself and Robin in the archives would she be more successful in defending herself and put an end to your need to defend her? Is Share unwilling to address her misunderstandings in the posts Judy cites because she cannot defend what she has written? In order to truthfully address the posts Judy cites would Share have to first drop fantasizing herself as a victim of wts and psychological rape? Do you think these are fair questions? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Here's Judy at her wts best. Doing the psychological rape thing of attributing to me thoughts and feelings I've not had. Then presenting her ideas as The Truth. Then lacking in compassion. Just to be clear, Share, you are accusing Judy of psychological rape. Fact 1: RD *wrote* the above, therefore Fact 2: RD knows that Share has accused *Judy* of psychological rape. Question 1: Why is RD butting in on a situation that involves Share and Judy? (IMO, it couldn't be that RD feels that Judy needs her assistance, as Judy has always shown herself to be completely capable of expertly handling *all* accusations thrown in her direction.) Question 2: If Share chooses to *not* respond to RD (IMO, probably because RD had no business butting in on a matter involving Share and Judy), does that make everything true in what RD has written in the rest of her post? Question 3: If RD persists in confronting Share to answer her questions from a post where she butted in on a matter involving only Share and Judy (kinda like somebody else did a couple of weeks ago), would
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
Oh dear. Share. This wts thing. Alright, let's discuss it. I missed this post earlier. What are the specific characteristics of wts that qualifies it's stated members? I'll start based on your post below, although it looks like your criteria involve the assumption that a number of people here are, in fact, out to get you. Remember, you are not a victim: 1) Engaging in psychological rape - defined here as attributing thoughts and feelings to you that you don't have. (This is characteristic of FFL discussions at large and results in some very humorous statements, actually - just another way to look at it.) 2) Presenting one's ideas as the Truth (goddamn it woman - don't you have a truth?) 3) Dissing on your forgiveness prayers (I think they are sweet, for the record). (You haven't made any amends to those you have condemned to wts - forgive yourself and make your amends and move on to insult again.) 4) Piling on - Pile on all you like - it's your right. I addressed this in an earlier post - just another way to look at it. 5) Thinking Share is a Saint - (Share, that was a joke - I think Feste explained it - no one thinks you are a Saint now, except possibly Feste, which is funny and ironic; also, I was kidding when I told you you didn't have to worry about FFL's tender feelings, but honestly I am highly-sensitive and you do need to worry about mine. Fuck the others. Who cares about their feelings.) 6) Attempts to cover all bases. (You bet your ass, sweetheart, and if you don't want to bet on it, you'd better cover it) 7) Making fun of Share (Feel free to return the favor anytime - no harm done) 8) Telling Share there is another way to look at it(wait, this is my criteria). 9) Not being a wise other. 10) Owning a prada anything - wait...that's not right. Is Robin PRADi? Ann? I forget. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2 Here's Judy at her wts best. Doing the psychological rape thing of attributing to me thoughts and feelings I've not had. Then presenting her ideas as The Truth. Then lacking in compassion. Concerning making amends: though I continue to do the forgiveness prayers every day, til now I've dropped mentioning it since wts also loves to diss on that so much. BTW FFLers I have done my best to spare you all from all the piling on. But some accusations had to be answered IMO. Concerning my alleged lashing out: of course it's possible that I've been triggered to the point of wanting to hurt someone's feelings! Duh! After all I'm not a saint. Though wts likes to accuse me of either being such or thinking I'm such. But you know, also accusing me of actually not being such. Isn't it fun how wts attempts to cover all the bases in this regard? Anyway, I know I've done my best to state what I believe in a reasonable non hurtful way. About the latter can you say the same Judy? Probably wts will make fun of me for what I'm about to say. But hey everybody has to have a hobby: For any of my serious accusations, I've agonized over the possibility of hurting Robin's feelings. My wise others here know this. An example is the so called stalking issue. I never intended to divulge the information I did. But Raunchy was giving her so called opinion about my alleged crush on Robin and stalking behavior. I said what I said not to hurt Robin but to shed light on her speculations. And the only reason I brought up my crush on merudanda was to indicate to FFL how off Raunchy's speculations are in this matter. Anyway, can't resist ending by saying that maybe Judy said EEEK because she saw PRADi pompous reality avoiding doormouse inc (-: From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Share has demonstrated very effectively that the last two sentences are bullshit. Either that, or her best is appallingly inadequate. When she's under any kind of pressure, and sometimes even when she's just feeling punk, she lashes out repeatedly with the intent to hurt people. She has *no* inhibitions whatsoever about attempting to hurt people, nor has she the slightest interest in making genuine amends. And she writes far nastier snark than Stupid Sal ever did. This, by the grace of God, was Judy's last post of the week. Oops, I guess she's got one more. I wonder what she can do to top this one? This evening's post count put her at 45, and the post you're commenting on here was her third after the post count
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:34 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Beautifully written, Share. A masterful, mature response. Yes indeed beautifully written, compelling but alas so alienated from reality dear Share - you seem a nice person, yet very delusional, vindictive so anyone who offends you better watch out. Rather than look at who you are facing, look behind at the people supporting you - a motley, disparate bunch - Steve, Buck, feste, Barry yet totally united in their sheer retardedness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present.� But what is the real problem is your asserting that your opinions, misinterpretations, POVs are the accurate ones, the truthful ones. Now about my alleged dishonesty:� I have never experienced a situation such as I have had with Robin.� laughinggull wrote insightfully about changing his opinions.� But for me about Robin, it has been more even than that.� Since Sept 6 I've been trying to make sense of all that has happened.� It has been a challenging process to understand what is going on within me and with him.� Your constant and vitriolic butting in has merely made this process more challenging.� At least for me. But you have little or no compassion for this.� You don't even have the common sense understanding that not everyone has the time to check archives.� Instead you call people like me and Steve lazy.� You don't recognize that people have imperfect memories.� Add to this your lack of compassion and what emerges is your calling me a liar again and again.� And do you really think that all the badgering and name calling really makes the situation better?� Oh, right, I forgot, you don't really care about that, do you?� Maybe you're just happy to have someone other than Barry to attack. OTOH, it's damned if I do, damned if I don't.� Meaning there's your opposite accusation that I think I'm all love and light or try to appear that I am.� Maybe I seem that way to you because I don't get hateful and vitriolic like you do.� It's called projecting a golden shadow, BTW. About my alleged avoiding of confrontation:� I have 7 posts per day and lots of interesting people on FFL to respond to.� People whose opinion I do care about.� I am not going to waste all my posts replying to you because what is the point?� You are convinced that you are right and that I'm a liar.� Plus from that first upset you have been biased towards Robin.� Fine, you've known each other longer.� You have some strange karma to work out with each other.� Whatever!� BTW, there's a big difference between being loyal and being biased.� The latter is not healthy.� And if I'm really such a liar, so toxic, so lacking in honesty and integrity, why would you even want to have any communication with me at all?� In some ways this is the most baffling question of all. � Now everyone, let's watch the tedious and predictable piling on that happens.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Judy! We Hope You're Doing OK After the Storm
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:00 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Xeno, I think you were just worrying... I don't think he was worrying, I think he was relishing the thought. Everyone else who has expressed concern, publicly or privately, has said they hoped I hadn't sustained any damage. Except Xeno, who said it seemed likely that my home had been destroyed. And then he finished his post with this charming paragraph: So at this point Judy may not have a place to live. Perhaps she finally met an adversary she could not argue down. Her situation might be more similar to those that experienced the tsunami that devastated Japan last year, where whole cities were wiped off the map or severely ruined. Well we all know Xeno's an idiot and I assumed he didn't mean anything here and that he was being who he is - an idiot totally stuck in his head, in his beliefs that he is very slow to receive reality, to relate empathetically - especially to strong, mature women.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Judy! We Hope You're Doing OK After the Storm
Yes, I read that. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt - storm trauma and all that :). I didn't even receive this! I think Yahoo is having trouble - perhaps why they are going to do some maintenance work in November. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Judy! We Hope You're Doing OK After the Storm On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:00 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Xeno, I think you were just worrying... I don't think he was worrying, I think he was relishing the thought. Everyone else who has expressed concern, publicly or privately, has said they hoped I hadn't sustained any damage. Except Xeno, who said it seemed likely that my home had been destroyed. And then he finished his post with this charming paragraph: So at this point Judy may not have a place to live. Perhaps she finally met an adversary she could not argue down. Her situation might be more similar to those that experienced the tsunami that devastated Japan last year, where whole cities were wiped off the map or severely ruined. Well we all know Xeno's an idiot and I assumed he didn't mean anything here and that he was being who he is - an idiot totally stuck in his head, in his beliefs that he is very slow to receive reality, to relate empathetically - especially to strong, mature women.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Judy! We Hope You're Doing OK After the Storm
Xeno, I think you were just worrying...after all, you were there. It looked pretty frightening from here, I will admit. But, of course, all we had to go one was what was presented in the news - they could make a twig falling a frightening thing. They didn't talk much about what was spared. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 3:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Judy! We Hope You're Doing OK After the Storm Judy Glad you are safe. It seemed possible, living so close to the water, that your residence could have been wiped. So many were in this storm. I would not wish anyone losing their home. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Keep warm and take care. Our thoughts and awareness are with you. Thanks, John, and everyone else who has expressed concern for my welfare. I'm just fine, back home now that the power is on, after having spent a week in a local shelter for evacuees. I'm fortunate to have lost nothing but a refrigerator full of food (sorry, Xeno, I know you were hoping). Sandy did very little damage in my immediate area. The shelter experience was interesting; I may write a post about it a little later. I hate to think what it would have been like without the assistance of the Red Cross and Americorps, among other organizations. They know what they're doing and deserve everyone's support. The suffering a disaster like this causes is unimaginable, but it would be vastly worse if these groups weren't dedicated to helping relieve it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry Judy: put to music
On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:09 PM, obbajeeba wrote: What acoustic ability! Never heard that before. The peoples in the place I sit enjoyed it. : ) It's usually done with two guitars, bass and drums, the two guitars playing parallel but different parts. I found it rather difficult to learn, as it's not a typical guitar piece by any means, esp. for a fingerpicker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QilNVTZx5CI Belew is not only an extraordinary acoustic guitarist, but an excellent guitarist in general. I'm sure that's why Frank Zappa (who discovered him) and the Talking Heads were able to make such good use of him. His new King Crimson lineup starting in the early 80's, were what many MIUers and Carlsenites were grooving to.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Judy : photo of Little Girl on her first duck!
Well, she took off today! I don't know what got into her but she decided that she had entertained me enough and split. I'll check her favorite duck ponds tomorrow but will likely never see her again. It took about eight weeks to train her and about eight seconds to lose her. She was a lot of fun and I look forward to doing the same next year. She caught her first duck on January 1st and her second on the 8th. Yes, she got to eat them. The flights were amazing! The speed and agility of both hunter and hunted was breath taking. Her power manifest on her last *kill* as she singled out one duck, chasing it at incredible speed, rising up above and stooping hard, slamming the duck into the ground where it tumbled at least ten feet before grabbing it. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 5:33:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Judy : photo of Little Girl on her first duck! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: This is the photo I tried to send earlier. Neat!! I mean, poor duck...but good for Little Girl. How long did it take you to train her? Does she get to eat the duck?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 24, 2009, at 10:35 PM, raunchydog wrote: Hillary, bless her heart, has a long history as a died in the wool ideologue in the tradition of FDR and Truman Hillary is the ultimate opportunist--that's why she lost. Sal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 2:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy Conventional wisdom says Obama was elected because he transcended race. Hogwash. If it hadn't been for MLK and LBJ and LAWS that forbid discrimination, and segregation, and many years of government and media effort to improve race relations, Obama would never have had a chance at the presidency. If Hillary had had the same protections against discrimination for her sex as Obama had for his race, without a doubt Hillary would have been treated more respectfully. No one transcends race or gender without some help from the LAW. We have become so sensitive as a nation about race that everyone tippy-toed to protect Obamba's sensibilities during the primary lest they wear the shameful name of racist. Obama used it to his advantage on several occasions and people were often falsely accused of racism if they didn't support Obama. Deplorable. http://tinyurl.com/2ve8jt Hillary had no such tippy-toeing around her. It was open season to attack her and the so called progressive Left and the complicit DNC didn't hold back firing as many cheap sexist shots as they could. Can you give us a few examples of these cheap sexist shots? If Hillary had campaigned as successfully as Obama, and he as unsuccessfully has she, she might have one. Her sex was not a critical variable, IMO. My impression was that campaign fatigue was eroding her judgment. She was knocking back shots and bragging about her experience with guns in order to appeal to rednecks. She drove her campaign deep into debt clinging to the hope of winning long after it was apparent that she couldn't. I could say similar things of McCain. By the end of the campaign, he was so burned out that he had become a walking caricature, saying my friends with every breath, making erratic decisions, and going on about Joe the Plumber. Obama became a bit incoherent at times, but for the most part, kept his cool and conducted a brilliant campaign to the end. Isn't campaigning partly about seeing how the candidates perform under duress, as a test of how they'll perform as president?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:53 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy I think Obama is as progressive as he can get away with being. He's too radical for some people; not radical enough for others. I think he had a sense of how far he could push things and still get elected. Folks like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are great for getting progressive ideas out there, but they don't stand a chance of getting elected and actually being able to act on those ideas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: snip Conventional wisdom says Obama was elected because he transcended race. Hogwash. If it hadn't been for MLK and LBJ and LAWS that forbid discrimination, and segregation, and many years of government and media effort to improve race relations, Obama would never have had a chance at the presidency. Don't forget Jesse Jackson, who was an activist for civil rights before Obama was even born and broke the ground Obama would later use to his own advantage, by making two very respectable runs for the Democratic nomination himself, with no nonsense about transcending race. As I said to OK earlier, it's no wonder Obama distanced himself from Jackson. Obama's record of accomplishments and his stands on progressive issues are pathetic compared to Jackson's: http://www.rainbowpush.org/about/revjackson.html http://www.4president.org/brochures/jessejackson1984brochure.htm http://tinyurl.com/os3wr6 snip The Equal Rights for Women Amendment was first proposed in 1923, it is still not part of the U.S. Constitution. Ratifying the ERA was a plank in Jackson's platform both times he ran.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 23, 2009, at 9:22 AM, raunchydog wrote: Melissa McEwan at Shakesville's blogspot documented 89 instances of blatant sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. Oh yeah, that famous investigative reporter Melissa McEwan of Shakesville's blogspot. Did she get the Pulitzer? I was thinking she might. I read it on the internet so it must be true! I'm sure you can find instances to support most of your delusions on the internet RD. Someone's always getting their tit into the wringer over some inconsequential and exaggerated slight. That's a big part of what old-style feminism is about. Hillary just seemed to bring the whacky fems out of the closet in droves.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 23, 2009, at 10:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 9:22 AM, raunchydog wrote: Melissa McEwan at Shakesville's blogspot documented 89 instances of blatant sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. Oh yeah, that famous investigative reporter Melissa McEwan of Shakesville's blogspot. Did she get the Pulitzer? I was thinking she might. I read it on the internet so it must be true! Do you know what the term documented means, Vaj? There wasn't exactly any need for investigation to record the sexist attacks. They were quite open. Yeah, Vaj. What the fuck is *wrong* with you, dude? Documented means something you can provide a link to, something that shows *exactly* what the person you're talking about said, in their own words. Sorta like this: http://tinyurl.com/pzhv6n Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's invalid. Right, Judy? Especially if all the words quoted as documentation are accurate. Right, Judy? Documented means it's true. Pretty funny. Pretty desperate. Boy I'm so glad I found out what a women-hater Obama was! I knew he had to be hidin' sometin. And here I thought he was married to someone who's an archetype for empowered women...silly me! RD and Judy: don't forget to hide your guns where Obama's negro army won't find them! They's a comin' for uze guns!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 23, 2009, at 12:48 AM, satvadude108 wrote: Well Sal, you said you like the train wrecks. You must be in hog heaven right now. Judy is completely hysterical. :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 23, 2009, at 12:54 PM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 12:48 AM, satvadude108 wrote: Well Sal, you said you like the train wrecks. You must be in hog heaven right now. Judy is completely hysterical. :) Sal Come on Sal. Show some courage. Let's see you make one coherent sentence exclaiming the joys of wallowing in hog heaven. Oink. Your point of view from the mud would be of great interest to all the Judy detractors too cowardly to take her on. Show your stuff. Be their champion. Debate her on the substantive issues of her recent posts, concerning sexist attacks on Hillary during the primary. I dare you. Oh never mind, Judy could mop the floor with you while sipping a tequila sunrise and dreaming of sunny beaches. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 22, 2009, at 12:30 AM, raunchydog wrote: Vaj: Why on earth would a successful meditator still have lingering destructive emotions months after the original stressor? [He raped you, so what, get over it.] So experiencing Hillary loosing was like being RAPED? I'm sorry Raunch, but I do believe it's time for the therapists couch. Isn't part of the TM model that unstressing will help with this kind of thing? Was she even angrier before she started meditating? After 30 years? I'm sorry, that's odd to me. It's not working. [Vaj's makes a gratuitous slam on TM in the guise of faux concern. How very evolved of him.] It doesn't matter how concerned anyone is when it comes to Judy, she's got that oppositional-defiant thing going on. She's way too attached to TM to ever let go of it. It's that attachment-to- meditation that I suspect will keep her locked into her same ole patterns for this incarnation. So, you see Raunch, it doesn't matter how concerned I am or anyone is, until Judy decides to do something herself, she'll continue being tortured by her destructive emotions-- and launching them at those around her.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
Except Sarah Palin, right? --- On Sat, 5/23/09, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: From: authfriend jst...@panix.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 4:04 AM --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, TurquoiseB no_re...@.. . wrote: snip Raunchy feels like shit because Hillary lost. And she wants us to feel like shit, too. That´s the bottom line. No, that is *not* the bottom line. Both Raunchy and I have been explicit that it isn't that Hillary lost, it's *how* she lost. Yes, we *do* want you to feel like shit about that. We want you to acknowledge your ownership of the shit you threw at Hillary and her supporters, to be embarrassed by it, to realize just how shitty it was, and to repudiate it. Because *we don't want it to happen all over again when the next woman runs for president*. Get the point?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:16 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: I'm a hit and run reader and poster on FFL. I don't have time to read all the posts in most threads, so I often form impressions based on partial information. I was talking with a friend last night who used to post regularly but who these days only lurks. He said that it was unfair to lump Judy and Raunchy together with regard to their criticisms of Obama. He opined that Judy had been much more fair and objective. So I'm sorry I did that Judy. Maybe I'll end up apologizing to Raunchy too, but I still get the impression that she couldn't bring herself to say anything positive about Obama, due to her emotional commitment to Hillary. Well waddya know, Rick: Message #219365 I actually said something positive about Obama. I could bring myself to say something positive about you as well if you refrained from implying that women are incapable of rational thought because they are emotional. This is sooo old school sexim, Rick. It's time to update your programming. I don't think I'm zeroing in on women. I can think of plenty of men, including myself on occasion, whose views of a person or issue are colored by emotions, preventing any semblance of objectivity.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 21, 2009, at 11:55 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Thank you, Rick. It occurred to me last night as I was reading Raunchy's post #219365 that the emotional component is not so much a matter of Hillary having lost as of *how* she lost, how incredibly unfairly and viciously she was treated by Obama's supporters--in the lefty blogs, by the Democratic Party, by the media, and of course by the right wingers, not to mention some of the people on FFL. And it wasn't just Hillary who was treated this way, it was her supporters as well. That left deep emotional scars (speaking of Barry's Cockburn quotes about tending to cause damage). Obama himself wasn't the instigator of most of it, but he did almost nothing to try to stop or mitigate it and even encouraged it at times. That's awfully hard to forgive. Not for sane people. It's OVER. Why aren't YOU over it? Hillary certainly is. I found this comment interesting: Authfriend: Anyway, as I read Raunchy's post, I realized how angry I still was. I've managed to repress that anger now that Obama's in the White House so I can evaluate what he's doing more objectively, but it doesn't take much to bring it up again. Why on earth would a successful meditator still have lingering destructive emotions months after the original stressor? Isn't part of the TM model that unstressing will help with this kind of thing? Was she even angrier before she started meditating? After 30 years? I'm sorry, that's odd to me. It's not working. If it was me, I would need to seriously reevaluate my meditation method even if I was really, really attached to it. And clearly, she's really, really attached to it--to her detriment and to those around her who have to continuously deal with the still unresolved kleshas. I guess this level of obscuration in consciousness could explain why she has such a difficult time seeing things clearly, unless they are very linear or black and white.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 21, 2009, at 12:01 PM, raunchydog wrote: I haven't seen you make such references to men, only to women, several times, and I pointed it out to you each time. You do realize that Rick's guru is a women who hugs people to help them embrace totality, right? I think he's an excellent representative of that embracing equanimity.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:44 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: I'm a hit and run reader and poster on FFL. I don't have time to read all the posts in most threads, so I often form impressions based on partial information. I was talking with a friend last night who used to post regularly but who these days only lurks. He said that it was unfair to lump Judy and Raunchy together with regard to their criticisms of Obama. He opined that Judy had been much more fair and objective. So I'm sorry I did that Judy. Maybe I'll end up apologizing to Raunchy too, but I still get the impression that she couldn't bring herself to say anything positive about Obama, due to her emotional commitment to Hillary. Thank you, Rick. It occurred to me last night as I was reading Raunchy's post #219365 that the emotional component is not so much a matter of Hillary having lost as of *how* she lost, how incredibly unfairly and viciously she was treated by Obama's supporters--in the lefty blogs, by the Democratic Party, by the media, and of course by the right wingers, not to mention some of the people on FFL. And it wasn't just Hillary who was treated this way, it was her supporters as well. It does seem that Obama and Hillary have gotten over it. Maybe she's just stifling resentment because she's a good sport and she wants to be Secretary of State, but it looks like she and Obama have a close and cordial working relationship. Everyone had their favorites during the campaign and here too I don't claim to be objective, but it seems like all the candidates received pretty harsh treatment by their opponents' followers. Sure, Olbermann and others favored Obama over Hillary but Fox news trashed both of them in favor of McCain and later McCain/Palin. So it goes. Finally, I do think you owe her an apology for your initial comment about the two of us--that we wouldn't be criticizing Hillary, were she in the White House, for doing what Obama's been doing. That was way, way out of line, and it just reminds us of the kind of crap we had to put up with during the primary campaign. Can't apologize for that one 'cause I still see it that way. I don't know about you, but if Hillary were in there, making some of the same decisions Obama is making, Raunchy would be reacting very differently.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I'm a hit and run reader and poster on FFL. I don't have time to read all the posts in most threads, so I often form impressions based on partial information. I was talking with a friend last night who used to post regularly but who these days only lurks. He said that it was unfair to lump Judy and Raunchy together with regard to their criticisms of Obama. He opined that Judy had been much more fair and objective. So I'm sorry I did that Judy. Maybe I'll end up apologizing to Raunchy too, but I still get the impression that she couldn't bring herself to say anything positive about Obama, due to her emotional commitment to Hillary. Thank you, Rick. It occurred to me last night as I was reading Raunchy's post #219365 that the emotional component is not so much a matter of Hillary having lost as of *how* she lost, how incredibly unfairly and viciously she was treated by Obama's supporters--in the lefty blogs, by the Democratic Party, by the media, and of course by the right wingers, not to mention some of the people on FFL. And it wasn't just Hillary who was treated this way, it was her supporters as well. That left deep emotional scars (speaking of Barry's Cockburn quotes about tending to cause damage). Obama himself wasn't the instigator of most of it, but he did almost nothing to try to stop or mitigate it and even encouraged it at times. That's awfully hard to forgive. Not for sane people. It's OVER. Why aren't YOU over it? Hillary certainly is. No kidding. Hard to believe that almost a year after Hillary conceded the nomination, and over 6 months since Obama soundly whipped McCain's ass, this insanity still goes on, complete with ugly names for Obama's supporters and a mean-spirited set of attacks on the supporters as well as Obama himself that seems to veer at times precipitously close to a personal vendetta, ie an irrational hatred that is not receptive to any kind of logical discussion. Obama has become the new Barry. :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
On May 21, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Ben wrote: Why aren't YOU over it? Hillary certainly is. No kidding. Hard to believe that almost a year after Hillary conceded the nomination, and over 6 months since Obama soundly whipped McCain's ass, this insanity still goes on, complete with ugly names for Obama's supporters and a mean-spirited set of attacks on the supporters as well as Obama himself that seems to veer at times precipitously close to a personal vendetta, ie an irrational hatred that is not receptive to any kind of logical discussion. Obama has become the new Barry. :) Sal I think they are afraid of an actual articulate educated black man... just my theory Uh, oh...I think I'm beginning to see why you like spiritual topics, Ben. :) Just wait for the response to this...and then duck!! Sal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:59 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:44 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sorry Judy Finally, I do think you owe her an apology for your initial comment about the two of us--that we wouldn't be criticizing Hillary, were she in the White House, for doing what Obama's been doing. That was way, way out of line, and it just reminds us of the kind of crap we had to put up with during the primary campaign. Can't apologize for that one 'cause I still see it that way. I don't know about you, but if Hillary were in there, making some of the same decisions Obama is making, Raunchy would be reacting very differently. Rick, you could not be more wrong about me. I take my first amendment rights as a citizen very seriously. If Hillary had voted against FISA in the Senate, which Obama did and she did not, I would have had serious doubts about her commitment to restore the constitution. If she had equivocated on a woman's right to choose, which Obama has and she has not, I would have been the first to call her a hypocrite and fight her tooth and nail. It is essential in a healthy democracy that we hold elected officials accountable, through petition, voting, and political activism, no matter who they are. I am happy to give credit where credit is due. Today in his speech on national security and terrorism Obama correctly pointed out that Bush had a haphazard, ineffective policy from the git-go at Gitmo. They rounded up a bunch of Al Qaeda but didn't know what to do with them. Obama made the case that we can protect the country without abandoning the Constitution. He said exactly what he needed to say, to give me hope that he might restore habeas corpus. Now let's see if he follows through. If he doesn't, will you hold him accountable? I will and you should as well. Agreed, and well put.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Channeling Judy from the Other Side
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of satvadude108 Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Channeling Judy from the Other Side I don't think that with you running this forum that it would be as cool a place as it is. Just my opinion and POV of course. You mean with me running it or without me running it? If my influence is making it a cool place, then I guess I'm receiving karmic redress for being a dork in high school.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Channeling Judy from the Other Side
On Jun 9, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote: You mean “with” me running it or “without” me running it? If my influence is making it a cool place, then I guess I’m receiving karmic redress for being a dork in high school. Really?! I *never* would have guessed, Rick. I was certain that everyone who ever joined up with the TMO did so out of an excess of coolness. :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Judy
On Mar 29, 2008, at 12:02 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, Sal, let's take these four one by one. Cenk Uygur is a talk-show host, not a journalist. The point of the column you cited is to bash Clinton, not to actually report on her strategy. He's speculating about what she plans to do in order to attribute to her the worst kind of cynicism. All he's really saying is that *if* that's what she intended, *then* she'd be a Terrible Person--which would certainly be true as far as it goes, but he presents zero evidence for that conjecture. What he's really doing is trying to further a rumor that puts Clinton in the worst possible light. (Huffington Post itself is very strongly pro-Obama, as are most of its columnists.) I'm fascinated by your belief that Maureen Dowd is my patron saint. Dowd is just about universally reviled and ridiculed by progressives. She isn't a journalist so much as a caricaturist and satirist, one of the nastiest around. She did win a Pulitzer in 1999 for distinguished commentary about the Clinton impeachment. If you'd like to see some of her columns on that topic, take a look here, see if you think they merit the label distinguished commentary: http://www.pulitzer.org/year/1999/commentary/works She is an equal-opportunity basher, but bashing-- not reporting or serious journalism--is what she does. And she has hated the Clintons forever; she's led the media pack in attacking them. How on EARTH could you think I would find her admirable?? Simply because there are times when I can hear echoes of her talking points in what you write. But if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Notice that her column doesn't name any of the Clinton loyalists she claims are speculating about Hillary planning to run in 2012. That's a red flag. Like Uyrgur, she mentions the rumor because it makes Clinton look bad, and she's in the business of making people she doesn't like look bad. Interesting, Judy, that you feel all these people hate HIllary. I assume you think this is sort of a blind, unreasoning hatred. Any idea why they might feel this way? Mark Karlin is the editor of a left-wing blog; he isn't a well-known journalist except in the lefty blogosphere, most of which is in the tank for Obama, including his blog, BuzzFlash. In no way does he belong to the MSM. Is that a polite way of saying he's full of it, or his opinion doesn't count, or something else to that effect? And all he's reporting is that there has been speculation... No names. In other words, he's promoting a nasty rumor that makes Clinton look bad, just like Dowd and Uygur, because he supports Obama and loathes the Clintons. Like them, he has zero evidence for that speculation. OK, so all 3 of these people who all write for blogs/papers read by many others, are all nitwit conspiracy theorists? If so, why hasn't anyone who doesn't believe this terrible rumor denounce them or it? I haven't seen anyone do that yet, have you? Nicholas Kristof is really the only one of the four who is a member of the MSM and who actually does journalism (although the column you cite is an opinion piece, not a news story). But note that *he* mentions the rumor about Clinton planning to run in 2012 *as an example of the kinds of nasty things that are being said about her*. In the very next sentence--which you did not quote--he says she doesn't deserve them. The point of his column is to decry the nastiness of the Democratic primary contest because he thinks it will hurt the party in the general election. He isn't saying he thinks the rumor is true--rather to the contrary: it's the kind of loony thing people say about candidates when they're pissed off at them, regardless of whether it makes any sense. And this rumor, as I've already pointed out, makes no sense at all: If Hillary is perceived as contributing to McCain winning the election, she'll be a pariah among Democrats. She wouldn't get anywhere *near* the nomination in 2012. She would also get nowhere in the Senate for the rest of her term and would almost certainly lose her Senate seat in 2012. Well, on the surface that sounds reasonable, Judy, but evidently at least 3 of these journalists seem to think differently. They seem to think Hillary's win-at-all-costs strategy would at least work enough to carry her over until then. Sal, it's great that you're reading a lot of material on the campaign; most people don't bother. But deciding what's significant and reliable and what ain't is trickier than it may seem. You need always to keep a large saltshaker handy no matter which part of the political spectrum what you're reading comes from. I do that, and those views I mentioned resonated with me. It takes some amount of experience to be able to sort out the wheat from the chaff, to figure out whether what you're reading is informed, serious opinion or just promotion of an agenda. Agreed. Of the four pieces you cited, three are just agenda promotion. Kristof's is the only one
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Judy
Curtis, I'm frankly surprised that you are so ignorant as to be totally unaware of the fact that this Wildebeest was: a) lucky--because that lion could have started eating him ass first--takes a lot longer to die. I saw a video once of a zebra getting his comeuppance that way. b) that Wildebeest was a snake in his former life and really got off on shooting his wad of poison into innocent bunny rabbits. a --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or God's a real SOB. I just got an interview with a Wildebeest getting eaten alive (nose first) on the Serengeti. He felt some regret for his overly generous Easter contribution at the parish. The quote was Is it too much to ask for a merciful kill bite here? Can you stop eating long enough to hold my throat closed like the cheetah? Thanks for turning me into a walking buffet God. Of course if you act obsequious to one of the thousands of his images I'm sure he will cut you a break. Just visit religious people in nursing homes to verify his merciful nature to those who love him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 27, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Vaj wrote: Strangely, the mass genocides throughout history are always connected to 'men of god'...doesn't that tell us anything? Yep. Either they're lying, or God's a real SOB. Or both. Sal Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Judy
On Mar 27, 2008, at 1:25 PM, do.rflex wrote: In my view, Hillary appeared at first to be better qualified than Barack to deal with the neocons and wingnuts. At this point it appears that she's not much different than they are. The hints have been there all along. Supporting McCain over Obama was the last straw. What a downer. Yep. I think she's been a big disappointment as a senator ever since she became one, but perhaps at least some of that was a function of her being so visible. But her actions during this whole primary season have been unconscionable, IMO. It seems clearer than ever if she doesn't get it she wants to throw the race to McCain. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Judy
On Mar 27, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Mar 27, 2008, at 1:25 PM, do.rflex wrote: In my view, Hillary appeared at first to be better qualified than Barack to deal with the neocons and wingnuts. At this point it appears that she's not much different than they are. The hints have been there all along. Supporting McCain over Obama was the last straw. What a downer. Yep. I think she's been a big disappointment as a senator ever since she became one, but perhaps at least some of that was a function of her being so visible. But her actions during this whole primary season have been unconscionable, IMO. It seems clearer than ever if she doesn't get it she wants to throw the race to McCain. What a scary thought. A genetically descended war-monger as follow-up to the War Crime Administration of Dubya and company. I've seen things in the last 7 years, I never would've believed if I hadn't seen it myself. I just can't imagine McCain with his creaky old finger on the button. These represent our collective consciousness??? If so, I'm takin' my consciousness offline.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Judy
On Mar 27, 2008, at 3:34 PM, Vaj wrote: What a scary thought. A genetically descended war-monger as follow- up to the War Crime Administration of Dubya and company. I've seen things in the last 7 years, I never would've believed if I hadn't seen it myself. I just can't imagine McCain with his creaky old finger on the button. These represent our collective consciousness??? They do if we keep allowing it to happen, and so far I don't see much indication that it can't again. If so, I'm takin' my consciousness offline. LOL. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Judy
On Mar 27, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Mar 27, 2008, at 3:34 PM, Vaj wrote: What a scary thought. A genetically descended war-monger as follow- up to the War Crime Administration of Dubya and company. I've seen things in the last 7 years, I never would've believed if I hadn't seen it myself. I just can't imagine McCain with his creaky old finger on the button. These represent our collective consciousness??? They do if we keep allowing it to happen, and so far I don't see much indication that it can't again. I don't really find the rather namby-pamby belief by the former founder of the TMO absolutely valid or necessarily parallel to current events. It would be representative of a demonic world, not a human one--though we do suck on Gaia like a parasite the agent in the Matrix reveals us as. The likes of Hieronymus Bosch and H.R. Giger are a nursery rhyme picture book in comparison to the atrocities of 'modern man'. (ancient 'man', despite their smaller number, was at least as bad) Strangely, the mass genocides throughout history are always connected to 'men of god'...doesn't that tell us anything?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Judy
On Mar 27, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Vaj wrote: Strangely, the mass genocides throughout history are always connected to 'men of god'...doesn't that tell us anything? Yep. Either they're lying, or God's a real SOB. Or both. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
On Nov 18, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: Sal, I used to lecture on the Wash U. campus once a week -- Crow Hall comes to mind -- does that sound right to you? Where did you learn, at the center on Arundel or at the Husch's house on Polo? Who was your initiator? Did you ever volunteer at the center? Very cool, indeed. I'd love to hear your STL stories from that time. Marek, As you can imagine, not much from that time sounds too familiar at this point. :) The intro lecture was in the big building on the right side of the quad as you were looking towards the city, in the auditorium there where they taught Western Civ, Intro to Music, as well as a number of other big lecture courses--beautiful old building, I think the administration building was at right angles to it. Don't recall the center on Arundel, never volunteered as I was too busy with school. Remember Talayna's, the pizza place just across the street from the quad? We hung out there quite a bit. I also remember a number of fancy homes on, I think, Lindell Blvd, in an area that had seen better times and in which some students were living. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
On Nov 18, 2007, at 3:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I can't resist this one, because it ties into something I've been thinking about lately. There *are* those, on this forum and in larger life, who consider themselves Valkyries of a sort. They rail against the things they think are wrong with the world, and the people they see as the perpetrators of these evils. I knew it was too good to be true...:) Now we can look forward to about 20 more posts between Barry and Judy, duking it out. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
On Nov 18, 2007, at 9:51 AM, off_world_beings wrote: It IS strictly British. Judy is just taking some poetic license. Jamaican too. Jamaicans learned their English from the British, idiot. :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
Then you failed in your job. You should have been taking a bunch of us to Valhalla. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Fascinating about your early childhood. And after your dress-up as a child, you've remained a Brunnhilde ever since, a true warrior, FFL's own Valkyrie! I can't resist this one, because it ties into something I've been thinking about lately. (I.e., How can I use this as another putdown of Judy and my other enemies?) There *are* those, on this forum and in larger life, who consider themselves Valkyries of a sort. They rail against the things they think are wrong with the world, and the people they see as the perpetrators of these evils. Whether it's being a liar or a predator or a Republican or a Nazi or a rakshasa or the Axis of Evil or the American Satan, Or Valkyries. Barry, do you *genuinely* not realize that you're one of us?? You're *constantly* railing against this, that, or the other purported evil and its purported perpetrators. Dig yourself. You're doing it *right now*. Ho to, sings the Valkyrie, horned hat firmly in place and spear aloft, It's Ho-jo-to-ho (jo is pronounced yo), and it's a winged helmet, not a horned hat: http://www.mavarts.com/images/2004update/sculpts/Valkyrie.jpg http://member.hitel.net/~wcpark/Images/Valkyrie.JPG (In any case, the Valkyries' role isn't to run around denouncing evil but rather to ride into battle and scoop up dead warriors to take to Valhalla.) Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
On Nov 17, 2007, at 8:12 PM, authfriend wrote: There are family photos of me sitting on a pillow astride the piano bench en costume, waving my spear and shouting Ho-jo-to-ho! I wore the costume to a Halloween party that year and was just crushed when nobody knew who I was. Ok, I'll make you a deal: your photo in your Halloween costume for my c. 1963 costume posted in the photo section. Any other takers? What year are we talking here? I would hope your parents would've known it would've been unrecognizable to almost anyone. Unless they were really lacking in social skills of course. But it sounds like you had a good time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
On Nov 18, 2007, at 1:21 PM, authfriend wrote: Probably Christmas 1946, when I got the costume, or very shortly thereafter. I think I skipped a year in my earlier chronology. My parents got the recording when I was 3 1/2, when we were living in Evanston; but the photo was taken in New York after we'd moved, which was when I was 4. Evanston, Ill, Judy? Cool. I lived there for several years after college, grew up in a suburb just north of there. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
On Nov 18, 2007, at 1:48 PM, authfriend wrote: Evanston, Ill, Judy? Cool. I lived there for several years after college, grew up in a suburb just north of there. No kidding! I don't remember much about Evanston, just some vague mental images. We were living in a one-room walkup apartment with a Murphy bed when I was born, on Prairie Avenue; then we moved to a house on Thayer Street for a year or so before we moved to New York. My father was teaching at Northwestern. Is that where you went? No, I went to Wash U in St. Louis, kind of similar to Northwestern in some ways. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for Judy
On Nov 18, 2007, at 5:07 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: Hey, Sal, I was tempted to reply when you and Judy were talking about Evanston, but now with you explaining that you went to Wash U I'm compelled. When did you go and when did you graduate? Did you learn TM while you were in STL? It's my original home and after TTC in '72 I taught TM there for a few years before moving and teaching at other centers. Hi Marek, Wash U, Class of '75, started TM in the fall of 73.Did you teach on the campus at all? If so we probably crossed paths at some point. Most of the people in my small class as well as many others who started at around that time also went to TTC. I wasn't one of them, life took me in a different direction at that point. We're all making so many connections here lately--this is what makes FFL such a blast. :) It's like an online college reunion that never ends. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Judy
Judy, I never suggested we take all the vinegar and passion out of FFL. Nor do I have an issue with superficial vulgarity. When it gets really deep, I find that offensive, but that was not the criteria I suggested we judge flaming by. Just something I find personally distasteful. One poster said another poster IS regurgitated offel. There is quite a difference between that and saying excuse me while I vomit in response to a post. You know, Jude, I don't mind you calling me on my stuff. I like your critical abilities -- it's one of the cool things about you. But I hope you will go for my genuine failings and lapses, and that we don't get into the pissing matches I see happen sometimes here. I have no desire to one-up you. We both can be strong, opiniated individuals who see many things differently and enjoy growing and learning from those differences. I would find it boring talking to people who think just like me. This will be my last post on this subject, as I don't want to use up my 35 emails on this kind of stuff. If you want to discuss it further, I'll answer you by personal email. - Bronte authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jude darlin', if you want to see me as a hypocrite, that's your right. I stand on what I wrote. If you can't see the difference between telling a person they are dog's offel that has been eaten and regurgitated (what I was referring to in those quoted statements, among similar things) I believe there were a few references to reguritation in your post to this woman, actually. and what I wrote to the anonymous princess, that is your issue. Although vulgar language was what triggered your second post, I hadn't thought your concerns were so trivial, frankly, as to focus on such language as the sole means of trampling on the feeling level of the group. There are more ways of frying and eating someone for breakfast, it seems to me, than indulging in vulgar language. But now that I know that was the only means of doing so that concerned you, I have a much better idea of the level of your sensibilities and how seriously I should take them. I don't really care much how you see me. I do deeply care about speaking out when I see something I perceive as wrong. I will continue to do it, and you can continue to be my critic if you like to be. Gee, thanks for the permission. I will most likely continue to criticize whatever I think needs it. - Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Judy again/ Signposts that MMY is not enlightened
Judy wrote: I totally agree with you that the notions that the ego doesn't exist or that enlightenment involves annihilating one's individual consciousness are outlandish. I just don't think anyone has been proposing such notions. Bronte writes: Okay, Judy. Thanks for clarifying your position. Next time I run across quotes from a guru that represent what I'm referring to, I'll copy them and send them to you, explaining my interpretation. Then you can interpret the same points back to me and tell me where you think I'm misconstruing their point. I'm sure such material will show up on this forum again soon. - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So Judy..what's Samadhi like?
--- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the answer to the question What is samadhi like? is still It's like nothing. As long as you define *nothing* as no *thing*, that is, no relative thing I can agree with you. Anandam, however is poorly referred to as *nothing*, (and is not relative) as it brings to mind a state of emptiness which is clearly NOT the case. The little me becomes the big ME and experiences itself as pure bliss..then when you come out of TC you carry some of it with you each time until you're never out of it. Cool! You're talking about sattvic states of mind. The little me does not become the Big me. That is only a useful fiction that MMY spoke about. The little me disappears and there is no me only THAT. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So Judy..what's Samadhi like?
Bliss is a product of the sattvic mind. Bliss has nothing to do with pure consciousness. As the mind moves towards PC or away from it after transcending there can be tremendous bliss. Constantly transcending results in bliss during waking state. Ultimately bliss is quite stupid! --- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're aware *of* bliss as a something, as blissfulness, that isn't no thoughts/no mantra, by definition. I think I see the problem now, you must remember that MMY's description of Samadhi includes *three* adjectives, it's Absolute (Sat, eternal without a second), Chit (Consciousness) and Ananda (Bliss, not *blissful* in the animated sense). Of course there is consciousness during TC, TC is nothing but your conscious bliss, get it? The ego is transcended and what is left is your pure awareness of Bliss, not blissful as in happy, but your pure soul, eternal conscious bliss. Emphasis on *Consciousness*. You may recall that MMY has said, Bliss is not blissFUL. To experience blissfulness, one must have awareness *of* it, as a something. Correct...blissful in this context is a verb! Transcendental consciousness-by-itself (samadhi) is *pure* bliss, as opposed to blissFULness. There is no subject/object distinction present in TC-by- itself, so no way to be aware *of* blissfulness. Yes, bliss being a noun and blissful being a verb. The subject (the ego) has become the object (the soul, pure conscious bliss). That doesn't mean one doesn't experience blissfulness before and/or after TC-by-itself. But in TC-by-itself, one *is* bliss. There is no me to say, I am blissful. You mean there is NO ego, the ego is now conscious bliss. The fourth major state of *consciousness*. That happens only after TC-by-itself has ended and the subject/object distinction has returned. Pure bliss is utterly abstract, not something one is aware *of*. It is awareness itself, The ego does not lose the ability to experience in the transcendent, it becomes the transcendent which is Absolute, *Consciousness*, bliss. You lose consciousness when you come out of TC and go to sleep in matter and the objective world, the consciousness in TC in pure...bliss! read remainder carefully and snipped for brevity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So Judy..what's Samadhi like?
Responses interwoven: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since it's 'really' the first limb of Yoga, and surely you've experienced it, and clearly there are accounts of the essence of that experience...so what's it like for you? It's like nothing, actually. Hee, hee... Great retort! I'm not getting into this with you again, BillyG. Your definition of samadhi is different from that of MMY. And why even bother with all of that other stuff, you know, asana, (posture control) pranayama (breath control), pratyhara, dharana and dyana? Do we just skip these? If you're experiencing samadhi on a regular basis, you *are* practicing all eight limbs simultaneously, spontaneously. (Is there an echo in here?) Agreed, in the sense that the goal of all these practices has been reached. The realized can continue to do pranayama and asanas because of the sattvic influence it has on the mind and body, but they are not doing it to attain liberation. By the way, how does one practice asana or pranayama by experiencing samadhi? Since you said: Quote- If you're experiencing samadhi on a regular basis, you *are* practicing all eight limbs simultaneously, spontaneously. can you explain that one for me? Define practice of asana and pranayama. Different levels of practice: Gross, subtle and unmanifest. Gross is the actual behavioral asana with the body or changing the behavioral breathing of the lungs. Subtle is the change in the various koshas (subtle bodies) from the behavior, and unmanifest is the virtual structure or unexpressed/unmanifest seed of the asana or pranayama in pure consciousness. This last point is very difficult to express. Every thing in the manifest, time/space world is a virtual, unmanifest structure in consciousness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Judy deals with life
On Jun 12, 2007, at 9:15 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: horselaugh I don't want to interrupt your horse imitation, but it's not quite the same. I've seen over half of the episodes of the series, and had just watched a twenty-minute Net film of the highlights of the final episode, *in addition to* having just read the interview with the series' creator. By the way, have you seen Apocalypto yet? :-) It's interesting that clever rationalization and a worldview based on self-reinforcing, indoctrinated set of beliefs held in place from lack of external exposure can lead to delusions which, to the deluded, seem real, convincing and even profoundly insightful. Such are the mechanics of true-believership. However to someone simply outside the self-reinforcing mindset or someone truly objective, such a listener or speaker seems conditioned, deluded and flawed. No amount of logic, however rigorous, will jolt such a person into objectivity if they are convinced of their own delusions. Couple this with a style of meditation (e.g. cultivation of siddhis) which are traditionally said to engender delusions and you have a recipe for entrapment in that delusion and that mindset. In this case, having someone who can render seeming opinions from movies, TV, events or gurus they have never seen or met and there is a real clear basis for such delusion even before true believership. It tends to create vacuous or semantical truths which are then only believable to someone who shares the same deluded mindset/beliefs but not those who are outside that mindset. Reminds me of the old Tibetan saying: On someone else’s nose one won’t fail to notice the presence of even something as small as an ant. But on one’s own nose one won’t even see something as big as a yak.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Judy deals with life
On Jun 12, 2007, at 10:14 AM, authfriend wrote: It's interesting that clever rationalization and a worldview based on self-reinforcing, indoctrinated set of beliefs held in place from lack of external exposure can lead to delusions which, to the deluded, seem real, convincing and even profoundly insightful. Such are the mechanics of true-believership. LOL!! Vaj, you're getting very good at this self-satire business. Eventually you may even win the title of Master of Inadvertent Irony away from Barry, who has held it firmly for years. Nice yak.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Judy deals with life
Rick, would you consider banning people from FFL who continue to denigrate others, perpetuate these mindless personal arguments and just waste everybody's time with these very personal posts. Individually, when these posters stay on task, they can have some pretty interesting posts, but this continual childish bickering is absurd. Ban them for a month. Maybe that will straighten them out ala Paris Hilton --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy wrote: I look forward to using the term bigot in future posts here when referring to you, secure in the knowledge that you (a profes- sional editor, after all) have declared that the use of this term is not critical. Barry wrote: Or perhaps, in light of the unprovoked attack you *started* this short week (for you, at least...you only have one post left) with, I should refer to you as the pigot. :-) So, it is all about Judy. I'm making this post while you've still got one post left, in case you want to get the inevitable response out of your system before you take another long weekend. That way you won't have to carry your anger around with you all weekend like you obviously did *last* weekend. Within two hours of your arrival back on FFF, you had made one post calling Vaj a liar, and another slamming me by bringing up a three-year-old grudge that you're obviously still fuming over. I'm pointing it out because sooner or later you're going to trot out the line that you resort to ad hominem here because you've been attacked. You *weren't* attacked. *You* attacked. And you didn't have to. And you don't have to next week, either. During the time you're sittin' in the penalty box this weekend (whether you're really away for a long weekend or just pretending to be to cover the fact that you blew out of FFL so quickly the last few weeks), I'm not going to make even one post critical of you. I'll try my best not to make even one post critical of anyone else here, or of TM and Maharishi (although you know the latter is tough because they provide so many *openings* for critical remarks). So when you come back next Saturday, or Sunday, or Monday, or whenever you come back, there will have been no posts from me attacking you. If you make a post attacking *me* -- personally, I mean, not my ideas -- then it will be clear to everyone on this forum who started it. I have *no problem* with you taking to task any of the *ideas* may present in any of my posts. Go to town. Rip them a new asshole...Googlebomb them back to the Stone Age. That's kosher. But the moment you segue from taking on the ideas to taking on *me* -- making personal ad hominem attacks against me -- then you have pretty much established *yourself* as the attacker in this scenario. This is Yet Another Opportunity to clean up *your* act, Judy. Curtis has urged you to stick to counter- ing or criticizing the *ideas*, not the person. So have a great number of other posters here. And yet you continue to attack *the person*. Everyone here knows the difference between attack- ing someone's ideas and attacking the person. So if you resort to the latter next week, you have blown your victim act forever. But this post *can* be legitimately perceived as an attack, so you have a free ride when responding to it. Go to town...and feel free to use ad hominem all you want. But if you do it next week, don't ever try to cry, Victim again, eh pigot? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Judy deals with life
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 3:22 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Judy deals with life Rick, would you consider banning people from FFL who continue to denigrate others, perpetuate these mindless personal arguments and just waste everybody's time with these very personal posts. Individually, when these posters stay on task, they can have some pretty interesting posts, but this continual childish bickering is absurd. Ban them for a month. Maybe that will straighten them out ala Paris Hilton I haven’t been reading this thread because the title implies that it is the kind of topic you say it is. I’m surprised that some of the people involved in it are wasting their posts on it. I’d rather not get into banning people. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Judy deals with life
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 3:22 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How Judy deals with life Rick, would you consider banning people from FFL who continue to denigrate others, perpetuate these mindless personal arguments and just waste everybody's time with these very personal posts. Individually, when these posters stay on task, they can have some pretty interesting posts, but this continual childish bickering is absurd. Ban them for a month. Maybe that will straighten them out ala Paris Hilton I havent been reading this thread because the title implies that it is the kind of topic you say it is. Im surprised that some of the people involved in it are wasting their posts on it. Id rather not get into banning people. I understand. Hopefully the posting limit will reduce this stuff as it has to a certain extent. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip Perhaps Judy and Sparig should get a room? :) Er, that's the line you reserve for people who are fighting, or REALLY getting intense in public. I'm pretty sure that Judy and I haven't been fighting, so are you suggesting that we've been doing a flirt-flirt thing, letalone an intense one? You should note that room is in quotes. What does room in quotes mean as opposed to room not in quotes? Clue #2: some groups have them but FFL doesn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: This day for Judy Stein was no different from most. Up at 7am...time for the first condescending I'm smarter than you post of the day. Now it's close to 9PM and there are what40 or 50 posts fromauthfriend (hard to imagine her being a true friend to anyone) scaterred at 10-15 minute intervals throughout the day and night. Judy, are you one of these sad folks who sit all day and night plastered in front of your monitor, trying to create an on line life for yourself? One of these days they'll have to call the fire department to help seperate you from your chair. You should get out more. Today was beautiful. Played a round of golf, had a bar-b-que with the family, walked the dog, and just now, logged back on to see what's been happening at good old FFL. There you are, still on there slinging. FFL as Addiction On Saturday, August 12th scienceofabundance asked a provocative question: Do you experience your partici- pation in FFL as being an addiction? Searching for posts made that same day, I get results that say Sparaig started posting that day at 1:16 a.m. Paris time, 5:16 p.m. his time Friday night. He continued posting every few hours until 2:01 a.m. his time Saturday, for a total of 78 posts. Judy Stein made her first post that Saturday at 2:04 a.m. Paris time (still 10:04 p.m. Friday night her time). She stayed up posting Friday night until 12:18 p.m. her time, and then started posting Saturday morning again at 8:20 a.m. her time. She continued posting pretty much all day, until 3:00 a.m. her time, for a total of 70 posts. All in all, an eloquent if unintentional answer to the question. To quote further from scienceofabundance's post: Common Characteristics Among Addictive Behaviors 1. The person becomes obsessed (constantly thinks of) the object, activity, or substance. 2. They will seek it out, or engage in the behavior even though it is causing harm (physical problems, poor work or study performance, problems with friends, family, fellow workers). 3. The person will compulsively engage in the activity, that is, do the activity over and over even if he/she does not want to and find it difficult to stop. 4. Upon cessation of the activity, withdrawal symptoms often occur. These can include irritability, craving, restlessness or depression. 5. The person does not appear to have control as to when, how long, or how much he or she will continue the behavior (loss of control). Perhaps Judy and Sparig should get a room? :) Er, that's the line you reserve for people who are fighting, or REALLY getting intense in public. I'm pretty sure that Judy and I haven't been fighting, so are you suggesting that we've been doing a flirt-flirt thing, letalone an intense one? You should note that room is in quotes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This day for Judy Stein was no different from most. Up at 7am...time for the first condescending I'm smarter than you post of the day. Now it's close to 9PM and there are what40 or 50 posts fromauthfriend (hard to imagine her being a true friend to anyone) scaterred at 10-15 minute intervals throughout the day and night. Judy, are you one of these sad folks who sit all day and night plastered in front of your monitor, trying to create an on line life for yourself? One of these days they'll have to call the fire department to help seperate you from your chair. You should get out more. Today was beautiful. Played a round of golf, had a bar-b-que with the family, walked the dog, and just now, logged back on to see what's been happening at good old FFL. There you are, still on there slinging. FFL as Addiction On Saturday, August 12th scienceofabundance asked a provocative question: Do you experience your partici- pation in FFL as being an addiction? Searching for posts made that same day, I get results that say Sparaig started posting that day at 1:16 a.m. Paris time, 5:16 p.m. his time Friday night. He continued posting every few hours until 2:01 a.m. his time Saturday, for a total of 78 posts. Judy Stein made her first post that Saturday at 2:04 a.m. Paris time (still 10:04 p.m. Friday night her time). She stayed up posting Friday night until 12:18 p.m. her time, and then started posting Saturday morning again at 8:20 a.m. her time. She continued posting pretty much all day, until 3:00 a.m. her time, for a total of 70 posts. All in all, an eloquent if unintentional answer to the question. To quote further from scienceofabundance's post: Common Characteristics Among Addictive Behaviors 1. The person becomes obsessed (constantly thinks of) the object, activity, or substance. 2. They will seek it out, or engage in the behavior even though it is causing harm (physical problems, poor work or study performance, problems with friends, family, fellow workers). 3. The person will compulsively engage in the activity, that is, do the activity over and over even if he/she does not want to and find it difficult to stop. 4. Upon cessation of the activity, withdrawal symptoms often occur. These can include irritability, craving, restlessness or depression. 5. The person does not appear to have control as to when, how long, or how much he or she will continue the behavior (loss of control). Perhaps Judy and Sparig should get a room? :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy
Unc, can you contact me offlist. -V.On Nov 28, 2005, at 2:36 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its all kool-aid, afterall. Its interesting to watch people whine on and on about how everyone else is whining (except them, of course). I mean, we ALL whine at times, but it seems silly to claim a virtue in whining ABOUT whining, y'know? Well said. And noted. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy
On Nov 27, 2005, at 7:55 AM, authfriend wrote: Interestingly, however, a lot of folks here seem to find *Lawson's* posts disconcerting. It's the *volume* they find disconcerting (if they do), not the content--IMO. They may be open to all kinds of other stuff, but what many of them are *not* open to is anything that conflicts with their certainty that MMY is a scam artist, a liar, a narcissistic personality, etc., etc., etc. Do you really believe that? Also note that nowhere did Lawson say that he had been convinced that he knew everything worth knowing, but rather that the kind of discussion that takes place *on this forum* doesn't necessarily contribute to what is worth knowing. Then why does he participate endlessly, clogging up the forum with, mostly, one-liners that seem almost surely intended to provoke? And he went on to say that what *does* contribute to what is worth knowing is meditating and living life. Great. Maybe you could tell him to get out and do more of it. Obviously, if you were convinced you already knew everything worth knowing, you wouldn't think meditating and living life would be contributing anything either. Once again, Barry, because your main purpose was to construct a putdown, you didn't actually read what Lawson was saying. Instead, you made up words and put them in his mouth, then condemned him for saying precisely the opposite of what he *was* saying. > My recommendation? Take two Certainty-Lax and call > us in the morning. :-) You could use a hefty dose of it yourself. Couldn't we all, at times.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy
Yep. I should have said annoying rather than disconcerting, (which implies that someone is actually thinking about them) which is what I would guess most people feel. I've taken care of the problem my own way, by simply setting up a rule in my email program to dump his posts, so at least they're not filling up my mailbox. I wish more would do that. Sal On Nov 27, 2005, at 10:08 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > It's the *volume* they find disconcerting (if they do), not > the content--IMO. Or, as I've pointed out, the knee-jerk nature of them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp That's a very funny comment, first time I remember laughing at something you wrote. I suspect he was referring to Uncle Tantra (Barry, TurquoiseB). Judy, yah, I got that. What I found funny was the image of you sitting in a room with Barry and Shemp having a spiritual satsang. Indeed. I thought you might have interpreted it as me and Shemp engaging in tantric, er, activities, which is an even funnier image. How long have you and Shemp been tantric partners? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Judy, As you may have noticed, my appearances here are somewhat sporadic these days, so forgive me if I am covering old ground, but When were you last in FF? I believe I remember reading some time ago that you were here in the 80's perhaps. I am suggesting, for the sake of a more rewarding experience of satsang, that you plan to visit for a week or two sometime in the coming year. Well, thanks for the suggestion, but to be honest, I haven't the *slightest* desire to visit Fairfield, for satsang or anything else. I have nothing against Fairfield, but it's just not on my list of Neat Places to Visit. I can only second LB's suggestion to visit FF. FF's real time satsang would allow you to delve deeply into the kind of stuff you like to discuss online, but minus all the adhominable assholiness. I'm at a loss to know how to make my response to this suggestion any clearer than what I've already said. We know what you really want, Judy. Besides, we're enlightened! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
